An increase in the number of recorded positive Covid tests in the past seven days has not been matched by a corresponding increase in the number of recorded Covid deaths – so why aren’t we unlocking on Monday? The MailOnline has the story.
A further 24,885 people tested positive for coronavirus [on Saturday], up from 18,270 last Saturday and the sixth day in a row the daily figure has surged above 20,000.
But the 18 deaths recorded in the last 24 hours marks a drop of 21.7% on the 23 recorded on this day last week.
It is a positive sign that jabs are keeping the number of serious cases small.
The latest data shows there were 358 people admitted to hospital with the virus on June 29th – up 54% on the last week [but starting from a low figure].
Despite the rise, current levels are a fraction of the number of people in hospital the last time infections were this high at the end of the second wave.
Meanwhile, fully-vaccinated Britons are expected to be free to live as normal after coming into contact with a coronavirus sufferer within weeks. …
Dr Bharat Pankhania, a Senior Clinical Lecturer in Communicable Diseases at the University of Exeter’s medical school, said he thought it was “perfectly OK” for people who had received two doses of a coronavirus vaccine to be exempt from quarantine measures.
Dr Pankhania told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The gold standard would be to be cautious even if you have been immunised twice – in other words, fully immunised.
“However, as a measured action going forward I think it is okay and my reasons are as follows: an immunised person is less infectious and furthermore the testing of people who are in quarantine isolating is pretty inaccurate, so balancing both, I think it is perfectly okay.”
Asked whether he thought vaccines had broken the link between infections, hospital admissions and death, Dr Pankhania said: “You are absolutely right in that we are now noticing that while the case numbers have gone up, a proportionate similar rise in the number of hospitalisations and deaths has not occurred and therefore we feel that the vaccines are working and they are working really well at preventing people from entering ICU, ventilators and death.
“Therefore, having uncoupled that, we can start thinking about other uncoupling measures as well, such as no need to quarantine after being fully immunised.”
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So no reason to make any distinction between jabbed and unjabbed.
How can an ‘immunised person’ be ‘less infectious’? Either they’re immunised which means they’re not infectious at all, or they’re infectious in which case they’re not immunised at all
And why is it taken as given that a non-injected person is automatically infectious?
No vaccination is 100% effective.
Current non-Covid ones can be as low as 40% effective. They are not a magic shield; they simply ensure that your body has the weapons to fight a disease in conjunction with the rest of your immune system.
Whilst your body is fighting off the disease (if you happen to be exposed) then some pathogens will be given off but your defences ensure the number is low and it occurs over a shorter time.
Its efficiency depends to a large extent on the general state of your immune system, which is why infections are more easily spread during the winter.
So, your knowledge and experience of health and disease came from Google?
Twat
where did yours come from Winston lol
people who are vaccinated OR who have already had covid once will most likely be less symptomatic and thus less infectious
of course with a common sense approach to covid such people can be encouraged to stay at home for that first few days when they are infectious
if only the government would stop trying to micromanage all of this
I think we know who the twat is Winston and I’m sure deep down you agree.
A little bit of nonsense going on isn’t there? ‘They’ say that after the vaccine you are less likely to pass on the cold because the vaxx will lessen your symptoms if you have any. So less symptoms, less viral load, so less infection.
This is touted as a great success and one of ‘their’ biggest reasons to get a vaccine.
children already exhibit all of the above. No, or low, viral load, no, or low symptoms or infectiousness, so highly unlikely to transmit the disease. But in this case ‘they’ say they must be jabbed! ??
“Immunization. Immunization is the process whereby a person is made immune or resistant to an infection, typically by the administration of a vaccine.”
You don’t understand what immunisation is.
By your definition, mankind has yet to invent a vaccine or immunise against any disease at all.
The big lie they are, quite successfully, peddling to sow division, discriminate against the unvaxxed and further their vaccine uptake and passport agendas.
If anything and anyone, the vaxxed could still be asymptomatically infectious and only they should therefore be tested, as their jabs only suppress the symptoms artificially.
Both the tests used are complete dog droppings, only a fool or somebody trying to get of work or school uses the damned things. A residue of the ghastly previous death secretary. Prior immunity doesn’t come into the calculations at all. Scientism not science is pushed to the masses. If you have had CCP Virus, surely Billy’s potions are surplus to your need.
Totally agree.
All tests are useless as currently performed, many are dangerous.
Noone should get tested.
Test mandates are illegal as they infringe upon ones bodily autonomy.
I was merely trying to highlight the absurdity and meanness of testing the unvaxxed only, when the only group for whom a medical case for proper testing could really be made at all are actually the vaxxed.
that’s very untrue JayBee, don’t spoil the anti-lockdown messages with falsehoods
the government has indeed spread lots of untruths about pre-immunity and post-infectious immunity but for older or obese or otherwise high risk persons the balance of risk is for vaccination -not so children of course but that is a different issue
while the government has lied about the immunity from previous infection and pre-immunity it’s not true to argue about ‘asymptomatically infectious’
101: infectivity is all about symptoms esp of cough
Add in the fact that as viruses mutate they become more transmissible but less deadly then we are where we are. The propaganda machine rolls on.
not really true but the picture is bigger than vaccine
people who are vaccinated OR who have already had covid once will most likely be less symptomatic and thus less infectious
of course with a common sense approach to covid such people can be encouraged to stay at home for that first few days when they are infectious
if only the government would stop trying to micromanage all of this
There seems to also be a correlation between being jabbed and immune dysfunction for at least 2 weeks.
I haven’t had “the jab” I feel perfectly well so why am I more “infectious” than a person that’s had “the jab” and is perfectly well?
What sort of person lines up to get tested if they don’t have symptoms? Some kind of masochistic thing, is it?
They still believe that utter bollocks about asymptomatic people spreading the disease.To be fair to them, the government and various others are still repeating that utter bollocks even though it’s been fairly conclusively debunked
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Even the infectious may not be infectious.
well it’s all about timing
But the jab is advertised as making you asymptomatic….
Collaborating sheep!!!!
I genuinely think many think it will be a badge of honour like some sort of Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour if they can claim they have Covid. Someone the other week was claiming he had Covid but it was actually hayfever. All these people were messaging saying “Poor you”, “Hope you get better soon”. None but me stated the obvious “Those symptoms are hayfever!”
Why are you repeating Dr. Pankhania’s lies here and present them like a fact, the DT did so already yesterday! ?
They are nothing but a mix of fake news, unsubstantiated speculation and outright lies. Every single sentence is plain wrong.
Me thinks Lockdown Sceptics is pro the CV injections.
For sure Michael ‘Vaccine’ Curzon is.
Why are you confusing a group that doesn’t believe lockdowns are an effective method with a rabid anti-vax site?
You don’t have to wear a tinfoil hat to not think lockdowns are the solution to anything.
How is what I’ve said Rabid anti-vax? the Covid injections are not vaccines, they are injectable gene therapeutics.
The tinfoil hat crew are the ones that follow the main stream narrative and question nothing. Do some research silly Splatty.
It is a positive sign that jabs are keeping the number of serious cases small.
I don’t believe that it’s possible to correlate this statement. Admissions to hospital are always lower in summer.
Does anyone know if they have dropped the cycles they are using on the tests? Therefore simulating a reduction in positives.
They did change the reporting criteria as for who counts as a case for the vaxxed only, to the same, fraudulent effect.
As far as I know, they haven’t used the CDC’s outright fraud tool of reducing the ct number for the vaxxed only- yet and officially.
Inofficially, everything is possible with them and that double standard already being used absolutely likely.
According to this FOIR, Manchester is still running at 45 cycles. FFS!
But it seems that the fake PCR tests are just the tip of the iceberg. They appear to be just a cover story for harvesting everyone’s gene sequences:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/pcr-testing-and-the-genome-beast
2^45 is an astronomical number! the FP rate must be enormous.
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They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”. Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case. Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital
‘It is a positive sign that jabs are keeping the number of serious cases small.’
Sheer, unadulterated c**p!
Indeed. It’s more likely to be a “positive sign” that they’re just testing millions of asymptomatic kids and young adults using a somewhat “shonky” test – none of whom would be in slightest way inconvenienced if they went on to develop serious symptoms such as a runny-nose of slight cough.
It’s a rather expensive, crap way of demonstrating that they actually got it completely wrong at the start. If the hospitals aren’t full etc. Presumably the allegedly ‘novel’ infection wasn’t that bad for the majority, so the ‘lockdown’ was counter productive. At the start of the panic, the original excuse was to ‘save the NHS’, after all. Have they, or have they shot it in the foot?
Articles in msm and members of the medical profession keep forgetting to draw a link with the summer for hospitalisation and death attributed to respiratory virus. Less infectious because of ‘vaccines’…..? How does he explain a similar decline last year (deaths from the virus) with no ‘wonderful’ vaccines doing the rounds? Does he note the massive increase in testing from this time in 2020….no. They doggedly spin the line about ‘vaccines’ severing the link….any one would think Dr P has a line to toe.
As for no ” need to quarantine after being fully immunised “….. another egregious statement …there is no such concept with these ‘vaccines’. The ‘shilling’ for Big Pharma (and Gates’ obsession with vaccinating the world) is never to be confronted. No questions asked, just hubris.
Almost as if you aren’t a transmission risk if you don’t have any symptoms…who would have thought eh.
Most of this would go away if remedies which were developed early on such as hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin in combination with other medicines, were now used widely. Hundreds of doctors around the world have shown that these have true efficacy yet were deliberately suppressed by the political and medical establishments, particularly in the west.
Over 1.1million tests conducted most days last week, many of them lateral flow. I simply don’t believe there were anything like 20K cases per day.
And the vast majority would not have known they had it due to lack of symptoms.
And lacking symptoms, even if any were infected, then the quantity of pathogens they were spreading would have been low. Putting it crudely, a snotty nose and coughing are mechanisms for transmission.
No big rise in “covid” deaths because most of the susceptible have either been infected and died, or survived and so now have natural immunity. Or they have accepted the snake oil, which hopefully protects them a bit. Fingers crossed they don’t start dropping like flies as the long term effects become apparent.
Two words, cycle threshold. Many false positives if the CT above 30?
Actually, Ct=30 is far too high to identify viral infection. Ct<=20 is necessary for anything marginally sensible.
No its not. Viral load builds, peaks and drops off.
Setting a Ct too low simply means you miss too many people who aren’t infectious today but will be tomorrow.
Plenty of culture studies showing Cts in the 30s have been capable of sustaining SARs2.
Last year with no vaxx and this year with all the vulnerable wiped out by early vaxx gives the standard seasonal curve:
A vital illustration. Note that the 2021 decline with vaccines is slower. Hardly a confidence-booster.
Great point – a point which the media should be drawing to our attention.
Oh, wait . . .
LOL! Oh look there is no freakin difference. Amazing, who knew?
In the article, Dr Pankhania said: “Therefore, having uncoupled that, we can start thinking about other uncoupling measures as well, such as no need to quarantine after being fully immunised.” Now, this is interesting. If we have “broken the link between infections, hospital admissions and death…”, then why would we only exempt the double jabbed from quarantine? I’m not convinced that line of reasoning makes sense. If the link has been broken, surely we would just turn off all of the silly measures and get back to normal.
As I suggested yesterday, this injection business is easily resolved. Give anyone wanting an injection an antibody test first. If they already have antibodies they don’t need an injection. Antibody tests take about 10 mins.
Why won’t they do this? Because they know a large proportion, maybe majority of population has antibodies from previous infections of a coronavirus ( not only SARS2). It would bring the ‘vaccination’ process to a shuddering halt.
Correct.
And above all a T cell test.
And there is zero justification for time limiting the ‘vaccination exemption’ (inadmissible words anyway) for those who have proven their immunity hereby.
The drop in their cell or antigen numbers is entirely normal, a precondition for survival and the immunity is still long lasting, very likely lifelong in the case of T cell immunity (plenty of articles on that yesterday BTL).
But surely, the Whittys, Vallances, Faucis and Drostens of this world KNOW these very basics.
Which tells one all there is to know.
We are told boosters are needed so the term “fully immunised” is now meaningless
Boosters will be needed for anyone that’s had AstraZenica if they want to control cases due to its low efficacy against infection.
Nothing yet suggests anyone with an mRNA vaccine needs it.
Baaaaa
So if the govt are following whatever science you are following, only AZ jabees will be offered boosters?
I have my doubts.
I think it’s political, like every other aspect of the coronabollocks.
“It is a positive sign that jabs are keeping the number of serious cases small.”
More sucker shit ‘Follow the Fable and Fuck the Science’
The decline in the only reliable measure – all-cause mortality – has happened predictably, in line with normal seasonal behaviour – but the preceding rise is closely associated with vaccination of the vulnerable, and the decline looks slower than in April 2020.
No – it’s correlational not causal evidence, but a hell of a sight stronger than the myths about a vaccine with ~1% ARR.
Why do they not release the facts that matter at this point: 1. How old was the person 2. Did they have comorbidities 3. Did they have the Experimental vaccines?
Case numbers don’t matter to anyone except Johnson and his cohort from Hell.
They spout spurious figures without backing up facts.
The Big Elephant In The Room is surely the fact that we are constantly told about coughing and sneezing because it spreads the Black Deaths Big Brother. So, how do you spread it if you don’t have any symptoms? You don’t cough, you don’t sneeze. How does that work then?
They are desperate to hold on to the fear porn.