This is the seventh of the weekly round-ups of Covid vaccine safety reports and news compiled by a group of medical doctors who are monitoring developments but prefer to remain anonymous in the current climate (find the sixth one here). By no means is this part of an effort to generate alarm about the vaccines or dissuade anyone from getting inoculated. It should be read in conjunction with Lockdown Sceptics‘ other posts on vaccines, which include both encouraging and not so encouraging developments. At Lockdown Sceptics we report all the news about the vaccines whether positive or negative and give no one advice about whether they should or should not take them. Unlike with lockdowns, we are neither pro-vaccine nor anti-vaccine; we see our job as reporting the facts, not advocating for or against a particular policy. The vaccine technology is novel and the vaccines have not yet fully completed their trials, which is why they’re in use under temporary and not full market authorisation. This has been done on account of the emergency situation and the trial data was largely encouraging on both efficacy and safety. For a summary of that data, see this preamble to the Government’s page on the Yellow Card reporting system. (Dr Tess Lawrie recently wrote an open letter to Dr June Raine, head of the MHRA, arguing that: “The MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans”, a claim that has been “fact checked” here.) We publish information and opinion to inform public debate and help readers reach their own conclusions about what is best for them, based on the available data.
- An article in the peer-reviewed journal Vaccines discusses the balance of benefits and risks of COVID-19 vaccines. Based on analysis of data from Israel and Europe, the study finds that for every three Covid deaths vaccines prevent they cause two deaths through adverse reactions, leading the authors to question the lack of clear benefit of the current vaccination policy. The journal has subsequently published an “expression of concern” about the paper to notify readers that it is reviewing the numerous complaints it has received about the article.
- A preliminary review of VAERS reports (the U.S. equivalent of Yellow Card reports) has found that 86% of the first 250 deaths reviewed were correctly reported as involving an adverse reaction to the vaccine.
- There have been reports of “breakthrough” infections among the fully vaccinated in a Cornwall care home, though all were reportedly asymptomatic. Massachusetts has reported 4,000 infections among the fully vaccinated, also said to be mainly asymptomatic or mild with a low viral load. Half of Israelis in the most recent outbreak are also reported to have been fully vaccinated.
- Further reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome linked with the vaccines, particularly AstraZeneca, in India and the UK.
- The American Journal of Ophthalmology Case Reports has released a study that looks at “acute-onset central serous retinopathy after immunisation with COVID-19 mRNA vaccine”, finding that there may be a causal link in a 33 year-old male case study.
- Reuters reports on the recent decision of the FDA to add warnings of possible heart inflammation following vaccination with Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines and JAMA reports on 23 cases of heart inflammation among members of the U.S. military following vaccination with mRNA vaccines, which was “higher than expected among male military members after a second vaccine dose”.
- The Mirror reports on a case of a 48 year-old male writer and filmmaker who died of blood clots associated with the AstraZeneca vaccine, raising questions over access to the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme for the families of victims of vaccine injury who have died as a result of the vaccine.
- Suspected adverse events in the U.K. as reported in the media: the latest victim is Lucy Taberer, a 47 year-old mum of three.
Summary of Adverse Events in the U.K.
According to an updated report published on June 24th (covering the period up to June 16th), the MHRA Yellow Card reporting system has recorded a total of 970,696 events, based on 285,219 reports. The total number of fatalities reported is 1,356.
- Pfizer (16.8 million first doses, 10.9 million second doses) now has one Yellow Card in 375 doses, 2.8 adverse reactions per card.
- AstraZeneca (24.6 million first doses, 19.6 million second doses) has one Yellow Card in 196 doses, 3.6 adverse reactions per card.
- Moderna (0.73 million first doses) has one Yellow Card in 140 doses, 2.8 adverse reactions per card. (It’s possible the continuing very high rate of Yellow Cards with Moderna is to do with skin reactions.)
Key events analysis:
- Acute Cardiac Events = 10,779
- Anaphylaxis = 1,173
- Headaches = 96,899
- Migraine = 9,047
- Blindness = 292
- Spontaneous Abortions and Still Birth = 215 + 12
- Vomiting = 13,376
- Facial Paralysis incl. Bell’s Palsy = 1,214
- Face Swelling = 1,488
- Disturbances in Consciousness = 13,128
- Strokes and CNS haemorrhages = 2,083
- Guillain-Barré Syndrome = 345
- Dizziness = 29,061
- Tremor = 10,303
- Thrombosis & Embolism (All types) = 5,559
- Pulmonary Embolism – 255 (Pfizer), 1,283 (AZ), 4 (Moderna), 6 (Unknown)
- Deep Vein Thrombosis – 163 (Pfizer), 969 (AZ), 1 (Moderna), 7 (Unknown)
- Seizures = 2,295
- Paralysis = 842
- Haemorrhage (All types) = 4,530
- Vertigo/Tinnitis = 7,337
- Reproductive/Breast = 12,170
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He will probably get some thumbs up on this website from the Islamophiles that post here. But then Toby, you believe in free speech and so do I, so we cannot complain when that speech might be abhorrent can we?
Makes it easier to recognise your enemies.
I don’t think there are many “Islamophiles” that post here. Most of the anti-Israel stuff seems more motivated by dislike of Israel, rejection of “Zionism”. I seem to find myself instinctively pro-Israel in this discussion, but some of the points made here about the recent history of Israel do seem to me valid.
Well maybe you need to review your assessment as I see I have 5 down votes and you have 4.
11 down votes for you now.
Let’s hope no female family member of Jones ever reports being raped as he’d no doubt not believe her until forensic evidence was forthcoming as proof she was telling the truth. Or not, if the female happened to be non-Jewish, seemingly. And why wouldn’t these women be believed and taken at their word? Shall we start by looking at what the Islamic teachings say about taking infidel women as sex slaves? Shall we go ask some Yazidi women who recount their personal experiences after being enslaved by the barbarians, or do Hamas adhere to higher moral standards than ISIS? FFS! And the silence and lack of condemnation of Hamas from so-called ‘Feminist/Women’s rights groups’ the world over has simultaneously been deafening and spoke volumes;
”Sarah Hendriks, deputy director at UN Women, was pressed in a CNN interview on Wednesday about the group’s silence on the issue.
Hendriks said that the agency is “deeply alarmed at the disturbing reports of gender-based and sexual violence on October 7,” adding that “we absolutely unequivocally condemn all forms of violence against women and girls.”
CNN anchor Bianna Golodryga asked Hendriks why the group has failed to “specifically call out Hamas” in the wake of “mounting evidence now over seven weeks” from Israeli investigators about such crimes on October 7. In her response, Hendriks again failed to name Hamas and said the agency always supports an “impartial, independent investigation.”
On her X account, Hendriks has not once mentioned Hamas nor ever called out the allegations of rape and sexual abuse carried out by the terror group on October 7.
The main UN Women account did not make any mention of such reports until November 25, when it stated that it was “alarmed by gender-based violence reports on 7 Oct & call for rigorous investigation.” That followed weeks of calling for a ceasefire in Gaza and condemnation of Israel’s military campaign in the Strip, but no direct reference to the Hamas assault that prompted it.
Israeli women’s rights groups have slammed their international counterparts for ignoring the mounting evidence of such allegations.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-7-weeks-of-silence-un-chief-calls-to-investigate-hamas-sex-crimes-on-oct-7/
We already know of the contempt in which Jones holds women.
All so called truth seekers will tear strips off anything Christian or Jewish. They will mock the old testament (probably rightly so). Even powerful voices like Richard Dawkins though who famously rips into religion will draw back from any criticism of Islam. ——Why? Because they don’t want to risk being shot on their doorstep
You’re just a racist Varmint. That’s clear.
A “racist”? —— Lets ask all the parents of the thousands of young wite girls raped by mainly Pakistani men in places like Rotherham. Telford, Oxford etc if they are happy to be called “racist” by idiots deciding it is better not to upset multicultural dogma than arrest these scum. Are you aware that also in places like Sweeden, Denmark and Germany that many many times more sexual assaults and rapes are committed by immigrants.? Or don’t you even care? Does it make people “racist” for pointing that out?
There are way more white rapists – check the data. You hate Muslims because you are a racist.
I didn’t use the word hate….You did.——- I don’t approve of people cutting of a girls clitoris.——- Is that racist? Nope it isn’t.—- I don’t approve of wanting to execute apostates. —-Is that racist? No, it is not. I don’t approve of women having to provide 4 male witnesses to their rape. Is that racist? ——-No way. —I don’t approve of stoning women to death for so called adultery and making sure the stones are not big enough so the woman dies quickly. —-Is that racist? —-Nope, none of anything I have said is in the least bit racist. ————You are simply a race card player trying to defend the indefensible.
Bingo!
Read the Talmud. It’s all the same.
They don’t know what that is Mathison.. Never heard of it That’s the problem.
They are ignorant, ignorance created by the msm….
Are you trying to be ironic or sarcastic or something? Believing in free speech doesn’t mean you can’t complain, or criticise or condemn abhorrent speech.
When you post an article from The Times of Israel who knows where she’s at…..
Oh hello! I thought you said you’d done with DS?
I have…. TY won’t be getting a penny more off me..
Is that alright with you…
Crickey, just wondered! it was stated in your post after all
Post of the day.
It’s all right – look it up!
I am not sure what you mean. I will rephrase —. I did not say we cannot complain about abhorrent speech. I said we should not complain that the abhorrent speech appears.
So you think Toby Young wasn’t complaining about the abhorrence of Owen Jones’s speech, but that he was only complaining that it has appeared!
I am sorry——–I will have to leave this discussion for the moment. I really don’t get what you are on about.
It is the inevitable outcome of the ‘hierarchy of oppression’, that seems to operate in the minds of the left rather than a simple moral code of who did right and who did wrong.
If you do terrible things…but…against someone who you believe is oppressing you, then you kind of get a free pass to do it. Like poor people let off for shop lifting, or Ecowarriors found not guilty of things they plainly did. Israel’s actions are its right to defend its borders and people, but are seen as ‘oppressing’ the Palestinians. There is no ‘right vs wrong’, there is no nuance, and no proportionality. It is a false morality, where victimhood triumphs over all.
100%; accurate observation.
Israel is the occupier in case you forgot. Why didn’t it defend itself when it had been warned by more than one nation and its own security force of an impending attack and when Israel itself released footage of Hamas training IN THE OPEN?
Which is why Social Justice Stinks and Equal Justice is the only real justice. But the Liberal Progressive virus is spreading all over the western world faster than covid.
The very picture of Owen Jones above speaks volumes to me!
It really is a face you’d never tire of slapping.
Yep – the Sayanim are out in force. Just can’t help themselves.
Andrew Neil? And Spiked? Giving their opinion on morals? They can f*ck off. Filthy pieces of sh*t.
Please don’t hold back Lem, say what you really feel!
If you hear reports then watch a video and that video does not provide evidence supporting those reports, why is stating this an issue?
If only the COVID Inquiry could be equally observant.
What is annoying is how certain viewpoints are taken on trust and others are doubted unless documentary, forensic, sworn testimony and live footage with UN observers provided.
Exactly. Shames Jones didn’t do the same forensic work with the jabs.
Israel knew all about what was going to occur on the 7th a year prior to the event.
With the knowledge of how Israel/Mossad have been directly involved in many other global atrocities over the years I’d personally say they were involved and orchestrated this event.
These days, if it’s hard to believe an atrocity could be allowed to happen to further political ends, and wild horrific propaganda is made to stir up the tribes, well if you haven’t learned your dog is being wagged, there’s not much hope for you.
This is paramount AYM..
Until people wake up, theres very little point in anything.
Iam wholly absorbed by the futility…
Yeah me too but I try (often fail) to not let it get to me and just accept that people wake up (if at all) in their own time and there is not a lot that can be done about it, and it’s not worth getting down about it/them.
Just point it out and hope the cognitive dissonance breaks one day.
There is plenty of doubt flying around.
I still wonder how Oct 7 was able to happen, given the Intelligence from Egypt and the famously OTT status of Israeli security. I’ve wondered about that from the beginning.
Maybe the paraglider thing is how Hamas got around pressure sensors – I just don’t know, I’m not a security expert.
I do know that I’ve been rocked to the core at the savagery of what happened on that day and can’t find it in me to support a people who can do this.
(*Cue an Owen Jones- style dismissal of any footage or claims )
I just don’t want the fall-out happening in my back yard.
Assuming that the savagery of that day was exactly how it was portrayed (which it clearly was not, or at least there is scant evidence of it like 40 beheaded babies, rapes…) and assuming many of the deaths were not a result of “friendly fire” and that warnings from IDF soldiers threatened by higher ups for saying something was happening behind the walls…etc) meant this was all a big surprise (cock-up):
Assuming everything Israel media and regime representatives say about that day was true, how can you support the savagery of the response?
Is it not possible to hold both actions insupportable AND not lay blame on the entire collectivities, be they Palestinians, or be they Israelis?
Or is one worse than the other?
I think you are presuming to read my mind and making some wrong assumptions. Don’t accuse people of things you might be doing yourself.
Many things don’t add up in this business. I didn’t mention beheaded babies; that report was downgraded within a couple of days but the story was beamed around the world by then.
I have heard what seem to be trustworthy reports of abominable acts done to pregnant women; I’ve seen the response of bystanders to released hostages. You will question how much of this is actually true and how much is CGI or something.
There is a case to be made that the Israel response has gone on long enough but it’s not my decision; in their place I might feel differently.
I just know that if my opponent’s ideology was to wipe me out I would put up a very strong resistance.
I didn’t presume anything about your mind. I was posing a question.
Hamas changed its charter a while ago. The wiping Israel off the map thing doesn’t exist.
“In 2008, the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, stated that Hamas would agree to accept a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, and to offer a long-term truce with Israel. In 2009 interviews with the BBC, Tony Blair claimed that Hamas does not accept the existence of Israel and continues to pursue its objectives through terror and violence; Sir Jeremy Greenstock however argued that Hamas has not adopted its charter as part of its political program since it won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election. Instead it has moved to a more secular stance. In 2010, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is “a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons”. Hamas has moved away from its charter since it decided to run candidates for office.
The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders that existed before 1967 and rejected recognition of Israel, which it terms as the “Zionist enemy”. It advocates such a state as transitional but also advocates the “liberation of all of Palestine”. The new document also states that the group does not seek war with the Jewish people but only against Zionism which it holds responsible for “occupation of Palestine”. Mashal also stated that Hamas was ending its association with the Muslim Brotherhood. After a new charter was scheduled to be issued in May 2017, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office issued a statement in which it accused Hamas of trying to fool the world and also asked it to stop its terror activities for a true change.”
And Hamas is putting up a strong resistance to those trying to wipe out Gaza. Hamas does not have the wiping out of Israel in its Charter/Covenant. That’s just another trope like the beheaded babies.
I must admit, the video doesn’t show a lot! Is there more of it or is it too distasteful to show? Show it in full and be damned I say!
Israel is worse. They are the occupiers expecting infinite sympathy from the world because of WWII. Turns out that sympathy wasn’t infinite.
Indeed.
False Flag attacks are a real thing. We must consider it as a possibility here.
That being said, I don’t yet think that’s what happened here.
But I do have many unanswered questions. Just like I have many unanswered questions about 9/11… Gravitational free fall, for example, and WTC7, and the huge lack of damage at the Pentagon.
It’s blatently clear is was a false flag event.
JFK.. CIA /Israel
911…. CIA Israel
7th Oct 23… CIA Israel /Mossad
And the next will be in the heart of Europe….
Yes.
And you still have “unanswered questions” re 911…
Really!!!
Its about time you woke up….
Take it easy. He’s more awake than 99% of people out there!
Why, thank you!
I guess I am just making the point. I know how sensitive people are.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sometimes people like you believe so firmly in something that you adopt the idea that what you believe must be ultimate truth. —-I had a friend like you who got himself into a tizzy trying to tell me how the twin towers collapsed, despite having no knowledge of construction or achitecture. He was also convinced UFO’s were everywhere. ——-The problem is that when you believe things that aren’t true you get yourself into a whole lot of bother and mental breakdown is what comes next.
Only when it doesn’t fit with the accepted worldview or a promoted narrative. Who decides what is “extraordinary”?
You’ve never had a friend like me Varmint.. That is one thing I can assure you of…. You’re far too much of a muppet.
Ps, you never answered the question did you….
“Muppets” “Retards” “Plonkers” “Imbeciles” ——-Yes the Islamophile in chief on the Daily Sceptic (Coup detat) certainly has the biggest and widest name calling vocabulary. ——-And you certainly need that because your arguments are not worth a s..t. —-Name calling is all you got. ————PS— The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Go figure that one out you brainwashed dreamer.
Never ever used “retard” so you are simply making this up now, which doesn’t suprise me..
But on reflection I your case think it’s perfectly apt.
You retard
You are demented to bring in to this personal attack UFOs and the twin towers collapsing narrative, you’re demented because have never mentioned UFOs and only the 911 attack itself.
Mate, you really are pathetic…
Have ever thought to read what people write first before you start your frenzied typing stacked with your favourite verbal abuse terms? Nope I don’t suppose so. ——All you need is to see the name “Varmint” and your laptop gets another bashing. ——-ha ha ha jeez .
You’re clearly the “frenzied” party here matey boy..
I must of hit a nerve… A seriously woke one at that
My wife and I don’t watch comedy on TV anymore. ——We find we get more entertainment by just logging into the Daily Sceptic and laughing at all the funny stuff you type. ———Christ I never laughed so much at Morecambe and Wise, or Norman Wisdom. ——–The Marx Brothers were hilarious too. Do you recall the one where Groucho sneaked into a room at a party and was kissing a woman when other people came into the room and he tried to hide under a cushion on the couch —–ha ha aha jeez so funny. ————–But not nearly so funny as YOU. —ha ha ah jeezus
You might be interested in this event tomorrow:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/the-first-annual-david-ray-griffin-lecture-the-ruthless-empire-post-911
When you come to terms and realise that they are willing to murder 3000 people on 911 for their own means the world becomes one sinister place indeed….
Given history, when it comes to governments and global corporations, the question should always be: why wouldn’t they sacrifice large numbers of people to suit their own ends?
I like Toby Young a lot, Owen Jones is quite annoying.
But hmmm, which one is the real skeptic in this subject matter?
How oddly the world of narratives can flip and manipulate those open to partisan and identity politics, no matter which side of the world you view things.
Andrew Neil, the worst of the covidians is now right on October 7th?
Yeah right.
TY and Skeptic don’t belong in the same sentence..
Time after time this is the case…. I mean who isn’t aware of Kissingers history?? ….SIX, SIX pro articles on Kissinger..
Really??? Thing is I don’t believe and it’s plain to see that he’s not stupid…. Which begs the question…
He’s sold out.. He’s a Shill..
I don’t agree that TY is a schill. He has always stayed within a certain Overton window. He is also consistently optimistic that the world of politics is full of mistaken people. He is friendly with many lizards in Conservative circles and I think loyal to the desire to keep things civil.
Of course I think he means well but is incapable of even entertaining the possibility the world is run by evil men, with evil plans and evil methods.
You can keep things civil and still remain balanced in regards to reporting Kissingers obituary.. Which would have meant at least one article that “questions” even his decades of unfriendly policies.. Blimey, is that too much to ask from an alleged “alternative” media source??
I don’t think it is…which begs the question…
No it is definitely not too much to ask.
When you say “civil” does that include calling people “morons” “plonkers” and “imbeciles”? Because that is what you do regularly. Maybe no one should be getting any lessons in civility from the likes of you.
Moron and Plonker? Really? Don’t think so.
I may have lost my temper and said imbecile once.
I guess you are keeping score on civility then.
Only where is due Varmint, only where’s its due…
You plonker…
I’m a plonker,moron and an imbecile! But I do enjoy reading all your different veiws on topics like this, it’s what makes a good debate!
Don’t think I’ve ever called you that, but even if I had, so what??.. Would you really care, hopefully not.
I don’t do woke, folks have swallowed the narrative and are so offended these days, it’s quite pathetic tbh…
No you haven’t, I’m just saying how good the debate is on here!
There a lot of carefully researched info to read through
.
What a silly sad individual you really are. Is that all you really have in your life? Trawling through places like this, not to give a point of view but simply to verbally abuse anyone you think does not share that view. ———A Punch and Judy show is all you are here for isn’t it? Do you think abuse gives you power?—- It doesn’t. All it does is show you to be weak. Your a feeble person hiding behind a laptop. Do you think your silly name calling has the slightest effect on me?
Yes!!… It obviously does, have a look back at your multiple diatribes..
What a complete muppet you are mate…. Honestly..
Diatribes against politicians, phony planet savers, and lockdown nut jobs, plus defenders of the clitoris snippers yes. ———Oh and silly people that think they know what is true about everything rather than it just being their own silly world view. ——Like you. An easily manipulated brainwashed dreamer.
This report from James Corbett is a good primer on Henry New World Order Kissinger
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-106-meet-henry-kissinger/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
You have probably seen it already but just in case…
If you are so convinced of Mr Young’s position which is very evidently not yours why do you and all the other “ TY antis” continue to appear “here”? Branding anyone a “shill” is unlikely to cause a change of mind. Have you ever considered that you are being manipulated in the same manner that you accuse him?? Or is your insight “ settled” ?
Because I paid, I got drawn in by TYs alleged anti establishment rhetoric, Ive been had, I’ll be the first to admit it, but since the complete and utter lack of balance re the reporting of 7th Oct and middle Eastern affairs plus Kissinger et al it’s blatently clear to me that something doesn’t quite add up here, do you think there’s a balanced approach???
So when my subs run out, I’m gone, TY will not be having a penny more from me, I don’t pay to read such msm nonsense nor hear such msm belief from 90 % of the contributors.
But there again, I might remain and continue to wind Varmint up, cause thats been worth every penny
Jones doesn’t have a sceptical bone in his body; he thinks women have penises. And, lest we forget his Covid glory days.
I don’t want to be in the position of defending OJ, however, he has entertained doubts over Covid policies, and he has entered into civil debates and discussions with people he does not agree with.
Yes he’s hopelessly lost on climate and wokism but that doesn’t make him wrong on everything. Just as many on the right were good on anti wokism and free speech, and only variably right on Covid and the jabs but then fall for the same old war propaganda they had before. And they are often pretty awful in debates.
Candace Owens is one prominent pundit that seems to get it right all the time on every issue. IMO
OJ launched a vindictive, fact-free hatchet job on Prof. Gupta. Maybe you missed that.
He looks approachable, friendly and an easy going character, but much like Mathew Wright (The Write Stuff before Jeremy Vibe) be was a real Lockdown and jab zealot who would happily see people right of centre marched off to a modern day Gulag.
Exactly; I remember in the wake of the Sarah Everard vigil policing debacle that tw@t was yelling “where are all the feminists??” on Twitter. Er…you’ve blocked them all, ya halfwit. The guy is an abject cretin; anyone finding themselves on the same side of the argument as this modern-day Stazi nitwit should do a sense check.
Whenever I happened to be watching when he appeared, his expression “ doleful”, I cannot get away from the impression he appears to be reading from the text of an essay written for a mock A level exam …. whether he passed seemed doubtful, every time.
He’s got a handful of pals on this site.
I take my hat off to all those who claim to know with certainty what occurred.
With the advent of AI graphics generation and the effort and money pumped into propaganda by all parties in any conflict, it is impossible to know the truth unless you were personally involved.
Climate, Covid, Ukraine, immigration, and now Gaza are all victims of mis- and dis-information.
I don’t normally agree with Owen Jones and he blocked me years ago but on this point he is correct.
Israel are past masters at lies and propaganda.
Any video will be to show Hamas in the worst possible light some of which may be doctored.
When Hamas fighters broke out from their openair prison armed Palestinian civilians, with a decades long grudge, also escaped through the broken fence.
Some atrocities may have been committed by the Palestinian civilians as Hamas had strict instructions on who to target.
The kibbutz ring around Gaza is there to defend Israel.
Armed security guards and even IDF members are stationed at each kibbutz. These and the armed settlers and reservists were Hamas targets.
This is how Palestinians view female IDF reservists and settlers.
It is likely that Hamas was unaware of the impromptu Nova festival as the nearby kibbutz was their target.
It is a fact that Israel used Apache helicopters against Hamas fighters at the festival which killed a number of Israeli civilians. Naysayers on The Daily Sceptic say this is a “conspiracy theory” but they are wrong.
It is also a fact that Israel used tanks against Hamas fighters at the kibbutz which also killed many Israeli civilians.
There is no evidence of 40 beheaded babies or of rapes or other made up atrocities but they should be investigated.
In conflicts bad things happen.
There are well documented atrocities by the French resistance and even by the French army against German civilians for their “occupation” of France for 4 years.
Palestine has been “occupied” by a foreign force for 75 years.
The taking of civilian hostages and killing of “innocent” civilians is a crime for which Palestinians should be prosecuted.
The killing of 20,000+ civilians including thousands of “innocent” women and children in retaliation is a much bigger crime.
The moral gymnastics of the pro Israel faction is indeed something to behold.
I have to applaud them for that at least.
I do wonder though how many dead Palestinian kids it would take before some maybe rethought matters.
It appears some on here wish all Muslims dead?
I really don’t know.
Please tell me how many dead kids it would take before you actually criticised the powers that be in and controlling Israel.
Unfortunately many on here believe all Palestinians are terrorists and not resistance or freedom fighters.
Retribution when you don’t know all the facts is a strong emotion.
I would imagine that some on here also don’t like Palestinians because they have brown faces and/or are Muslims.
Their racism and Islamaphobia is not going to change and it is likely that there is no limit to how many dead Palestinian kids there are that would change their warped minds.
I’ve asked the numbers question often on here.
Nobody has given a coherent answer.
Plenty of downticks though and that I’m just a jew hater/Hamas sympathiser.
It’s almost as if they’re afraid to answer lest they be seen for what they truly are.
Which is a shame, because most on here have seen through the propaganda re –
Climate
Covid
Lockdown
“Vaccines” aka gene therapies
Woke bollocks
Russia
Yet they follow the Western propaganda on Palestine?
Yet more projections from unreflective persons. Keep talking – you reveal more of yourself each time.
FYI, for my part I have always been sympathetic to the Palestinians and argued their cause against my OH who favours the Israelis with their skill at ‘greening’ the desert and optimising the challenging conditions compared to the Arab population’s more traditional ways.
I would still hope the two peoples could live amicably side by side but there must be a reason why neighbouring states will not touch Palestinians with a bargepole or allow them in to their territory. What could that possibly be, I wonder. Memory of the plane hijacks of the 1970s and various acts of terror, perhaps.
I felt less inclined to champion their cause after 7/10. Nothing to do with brown skins. It’s interesting that it only seems to be Palestinian babies and children that are mentioned as casualties: maybe their elders ought to do a better job of sheltering them since they seem very adept at digging tunnels? Perhaps stop hiding behind them?
Your government and their Zionist presstitutes in the mainstream media will be pleased you have believed all their lies and propaganda.
Whatever the whys and wherefores, neighbouring Arab nations know that Gaza is a radicalised and indoctrinated hot mess. A sane parent would have got their kids out of there decades ago.
I am trying to understand why Egypt and Jordan do not appear to want any Palestinian from Gaza – King of Jordan unequivocal in refusing to take a single refugee – why would he/they be so opposed. Many reasons occur to me – the whole gamut from sensible to tribally motivated. Why is it that no one mentions the Iranians who seem to be very content to see their Arab brothers die for the “Iranian cause” – that seems to be “ok” to be levelled at “The West” by some posters here regarding Ukraine , eg , but strangely absent here .. do I detect an incoming “ aaah, but that’s different “ ….
And sane people would not want them dispersed all over Europe. It was said to be in a classified document.
The Israelis built the tunnels…..
So many on here don’t know what they talk about
Not someone who I ever thought I would find commong ground with but having looked at his sources etc he is absolutely right. Mr Jones I salute you.
In what moral universe is it ok to carpet-bomb a 3rd world enclave, with no navy or air force and blockaded at both exits?
‘Public opinion across the globe has turned against Israel, as it always does when it responds to some terrorist activity’ – when it responds disproportionately Andrew – and 6,000 dead kids for 1 dead Israeli baby (official figures as per Red Cross, UN and Save the Children) is not proportionate. As it has now become clear that Israel knew about the intended attack, it is also obvious they wanted it in order to invade Gaza. Now they’re backtracking as the world turns against their own barbarism. Neil cites Hamas’ pledge to launch more Oct 7th attacks – never pointing out of course that Israel is the Occupier – or mentioning Bibi’s ‘Amalek’ threat, the multiple Israeli news channels calling for ethnic cleansing of Gaza & the nuke threat from his own cabinet. Israel whines Hamas wants to wipe it off the face of the map while at the same time doing exactly that to Gaza. (Hamas removed the destruction of Israel from its charter in 2006 – this is even cited on the UK Gov website under ‘Terrorist Organisations’). No Andrew, no babies were beheaded. CNN admitted they lied and apologised for it. Even the dozy Biden backtracked on that one. Added to which, the blurred picture the Telegraph claimed showed massacred babies, showed in fact one baby, not beheaded. Where there is occupation, there will be resistance. It’s inevitable. And as Israel knows FULL WELL they will never eradicate Hamas (they’re in 80M deep tunnels which reach to Egypt and Jordan) and that even if they kill half of them, more Palestinians will be radicalised as a result of Israel’s cynical mass murder of Gaza civilians. As an occupier since 1948, Israel never held the moral high ground. Previously Israel murdered and exiled Palestinians because they believed they should have their own State. Now, it’s for money. As for Brendan O’Neill’s similar reaction, he supported mandatory jabs for care-home workers – so he’s certainly in no position to moralise. Never forget, Bibi used the people of Israel for the first roll out of the jab experiment. He is insane.
Agreed. Yet Bibi is persisting with the ‘Amalek’ trope despite deliberately misqoting the Bible (tell a lie often enough, etc….), as Michael Hudson has eloquently pointed out:
By a sleight-of-hand like that of a stage magician trying to distract the audience’s attention from what really is happening, Netanyahu has evoked what he claims to be a Biblical excuse for Israeli genocide. But what he pretends to be a covenant in the tradition of Moses is a vicious demand by the judge and grey eminence Samuel telling Saul, the general whom he hopes to make king: “Now go and smite Amalek [an enemy of Israel], and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys” (1 Samuel 15:3).
These were not the Lord’s own words, and Samuel was no Moses. And there was no blanket promise to back the Jews regardless of their behavior. And indeed, in following Samuel’s demand for conquest – as a means of making Saul popular enough to be made king – Saul broke the Lord’s commandments about proper religious ceremonial and dietary behavior. One would have no idea from Netanyahu’s celebration of the compact between Samuel and Saul to become popular by military conquest. Saul’s misbehavior led Samuel himself to rebuke him, telling him that the Lord had decided that another man must be found to be king of Israel.
It was not the Lord offering that command to destroy Amalek, but a prophet anxious to place a king on the throne. Invocation of such a command is prima facie evidence of an intention to commit genocide. But that seemed less important to Netanyahu than pandering to the desire for revenge amongst Israelis. Netanyahu makes no mention of the fact that Saul disobeyed the Lord’s commandments and the Lord rejected him as king. Nor does Likud acknowledge the context, a few chapters earlier in I Samuel 12:15, describing the corrupt rule of judges and Samuel’s warning that “if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you.” The Lord’s warning that “if you persist in doing evil, both you and your king will be swept away” should have rung loudly for Netanyahu.
https://michael-hudson.com/2023/11/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/
Well hopefully he never read the Bible and has now stepped in a world of poop.
I have not watched the video as I wouldn’t waste my time but, suffice it to say, Andrew Neil v Owen Jones and their understandings is enough to make your stomach turn.
Owen Jones is an odious runt and what Hamas did was more than despicable but no one has ever answered the question about why the IDF let these people through their defensive system so easily. Anyone?
So they could invade Gaza, Israel expansionism plus oil and gas. Every invasion is built on lies and carried out because of for money, expansionism, arm sales and/or ‘energy security’.
Being as few Israelis trust their own government (4% approval rating for Bibi who Israeli citizens refer to as a murderer), why is it such a big deal that anyone else doesn’t?