There’s a depressing report in MailOnline. A Downing Street source says there’s a 50:50 chance stage four of the roadmap could be delayed, pending more data about the spread of the Indian variant. Not surprisingly, the pressure to delay is coming from various members of SAGE.
A Government minister today acknowledged England’s June 21st Freedom Day could be in jeopardy after a number of SAGE scientists publicly called for the end of restrictions to be pushed back.
During a round of interviews this morning, Environment Secretary George Eustice said the Government couldn’t “rule anything out” when asked if the next phase of the roadmap could be delayed or watered down.
He insisted a decision would be made in a fortnight’s time when ministers will know more about the effect of the Indian strain – which is making up three-quarters of all new infections – on hospital rates.
The comments mark a significant shift in tone from No10, with ministers claiming just days ago there was no reason to deviate from the lockdown-ending plan. The remarks come after several high profile SAGE experts and Government advisers today lobbied for the June 21st easing to be moved.
Professor Ravi Gupta, who sits on the Nervtag subgroup of SAGE, urged the Government to push back the unlocking by “a few weeks” to allow more people to get vaccinated before ditching all social distancing rules.
The Cambridge University expert claimed there were early signs the third wave had already begun – after daily infections breached 4,000 on Friday for the first time in nearly two months – and warned it could become ‘quite explosive’ over the next few months.
Professor Gupta said the jab rollout was giving people a “false sense of security” because infection rates were still relatively low, but claimed it was inevitable unvaccinated people would eventually start to fall ill with the highly infectious strain.
The roaring success of the vaccine programme has seen almost 40million adults given at least one dose of the jab and 25million fully inoculated. But it leaves more than 5million Britons over 50 either unvaccinated or only partially protected.
Professor Gupta’s comments were echoed by SAGE professor Susan Michie, who warned Britain was on a “knife-edge” as it approached the June 21st deadline. The University College London behavioural scientist, who sits on the SPI-B committee, said said [sic] fully opening the country as planned could lead to a serious spike akin to the second wave in the winter.
“Either it could run away as it did before Christmas, which would be extremely serious and we’d have more restrictions, or it could be contained,” she told Sky News.
Professor Adam Finn, a member of the panel which advises No10 on its Covid vaccine rollout, also urged ministers to be “cautious” amid rising cases. He said the impact of May’s lockdown easings on Covid cases – which saw restaurants allowed to serve indoors and Britons able to invite up to six others into their homes – would not be clear for another two to three weeks.
Former Tory leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith accused scientists of bullying the Government into extending lockdown.
Let’s hope Boris sticks to his guns – for once. After all, only six people were reported as dying from COVID-19 yesterday. Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Times has written up Professor Rav Gupta’s interview on the Today programme in which he warns of a third wave.
Stop Press 2: Just one Covid death has been reported today and, according to the Spectator, “England is currently running below SAGE’s best case scenario for hospitalisations following the restriction relaxations”.
— The Spectator (@spectator) May 30, 2021
England is currently running below SAGE’s best case scenario for hospitalisations following the restriction relaxations
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The 21st of June is not going to be freedom day
Who knew?
The guy is a lying fuck, of course there was not going to be a ‘freedom day’
I left Britain two days ago for Chicago. I have never felt so good in my life to be out of the hellhole called Britain run by a bunch of thugs. They are stealing your lives people. Demand better.
How do get to ask SAGE ,who currently run the country, when they will agree its safe to lift all rstriction.Its a simple question and i am a simple man .is their a form or something or are they unaccountable ?
We need a strong leader with a sense of purpose and a deep love of his nation and its well being. We need a Ron de Santis who understands the importance of personal responsibility and freedom of thought. What we have is a bureaucrat in hock to the globalists and in love with power.
Unfortunately they are all the same, the majority of politicians are people who are failures in life outside politics who would never have achieved a level of authority in any business due to character flaws, and lack of common sense and intellect, so they go into politics hence we end up with the calibre of creature we see today. The majority love the power, the opression and of course the perks they can garner on the side. I think politicians are in general the lowest of the low
Similarly, the ‘scientists’ who get into high and influential positions are often those who are bad at science but good at navigating bureaucracy and climbing greasy poles – e.g. Fauci.
When all have been vaccinated and have a digital ID record linked to their health history, controlled by the WHO there will still be some restrictions to control and quell the people.
Why are we just accepting all this? Where is the British backbone?I am 80, I worked more than full time from the age of 16 until I was 75 as a selfemployed person,since then I have been sorting out my late mother’s affairs.I was hoping to have some kind of retirement but instead I am doing whatever I can in my power (and I am blessed with good health and a lot of energy) to do something towards this evil that is upon us.What is the matter with everyone? We need to keep going, FIGHT BACK. Nothing is achieved by these negative jellyfish attitudes.How dare the government mess us about like this, if another lockdown is allowed many more small businesses will close forever. And governments have never understood the concept of small businesses becoming larger ones.I am so angry now, everyone on this site seems to want to lie down and put their feet in the air and let the government do as it likes.
This is the third world war, we are in it now. Do something sooner than carp on here on a daily basis. Spread postitivity, do something positive no matter how small, it makes a difference. And forgive the rant, I really am angry.
Let’s just suppose that the bedwetters get their way. When will the next date be? Leave it too late and we will be in the flu season.
That is the intention.
RISE UP WEAKLINGS
Well said.
Sounds more like SPI-B than SAGE.
No one who is still unvaccinated and over 50 has given them or the government any mandate to ‘worry’ about them.
To the very contrary.
All they want is their freedom, so open the f*ck up you m*r*ns and restrict your unscientific nannying to yourself.
Before you get too depressed it’s worth checking out the best rated DM readers comments on this story. Huge opposition to delaying exit from restrictions.
Yes but why? you make it sound like good common sense on the publics part ,the same public who have been lobotomised on mass and seemingly can ever think for themselves again
The same public who unthinkingly got themselves injected with who knows what and assumed that they would get some reward for being utterly stupid. Possibly they still might get a sweetie or two, but only in heaven.
And yet hundreds prefer to queue in a car park on the warmest day of the year to get jabbed, instead of embracing the joy of Summer.
Having not had the injection myself but having been subjected to multiple telephone calls and texts chasing me. Can anyone who has had the injection tell me do they before they inject, inform you that the product is not fully licensed and has been approved for emergency use only? do they inform of the recorded side effects? what to do and where to report if the side effects occur? and do they get you to sign a piece of paper saying you have given informed consent?
I told my doctor some months ago there was no way I was having the vaccine and please don’t ask again. She hasn’t.
But various colleagues who have ( and one who has had a severe adverse reaction – suspect thrombocytopenia and now 2 fast growing melenomas) told me they have not been informed of any of those. The existence of MHRA yellow card reporting was denied to the ADR case who was simply told to go to A&E if he was worried.
We need opposition EVERYWHERE!
It’s quite obvious what’s happening here. SAGE want to push re-opening to as close to Autumn as possible so when the inevitable Autumn increase comes they can say, ‘Aha! We told you so’ and then comes the mandatory Vax programme for ALL. With the ‘Great British Public’ cheering it on like some salivating, finger pointing religious order
I have been conversing with a chap on TCW who truly seems to think there is no future unless we are all jabbed. Try as I might to lay the facts out, he just will not believe the Government is doing anything wrong. He believes we will all die if the next wave hits. He believes we all need to ’protect’ each other by constant mask wearing and he thinks those of us who go away from the narrative are destroying any chance of normality returning.
We will win this because truth eventually stands proud but in the meantime we are allowing our country to be destroyed, our golden opportunities snatched away and our children injected with a lethal substance. How many will really die on the streets before the gullible accept what tney have done to their fellow humans.
I totally understand you Still,no matter will happen,we already lost so much.
Have you asked yourself why we are letting our country be destroyed? Because most people on here sound pathetic and if that attitude continues we are done for. WET. WET .WET.
Great attitude, Tilleysmum:) Don’t worry, we have not given up and we won’t stop resisting
Thank you for that, I do despair sometimes.
I have mixed views here. The more outrageous and unfounded decisions these evil people make, the more likely they are to lose the confidence of the general public. On the other hand, those who do not have much interest in checking what they are told will tend to blame the unjabbed. SPI-B know this. Therefore, expect to see a campaign to generate ill-will towards the unjabbed.
It’s already started!
indeed it has, along with those who will not download the app
Yes but what will the general public DO when they lose confidence Nothing ,thats what
I think it’s already begun. It seems to me that the majority of those sold into jabs, lockdowns and masks are the university educated and state reliant employees. Most of us who have owned businesses, worked in the private sector etc, have learned to be curious and think for ourselves. Unfortunately the State now employs nearly half of the population one way or another. I am including the media in this. The longer the Government can keep gaslighting the public the more chance of demoralising the struggling small businesses, who may then throw in the towel. So many have spent the last forty years fighting regulations benefitting Brussels and the big Corporations they may mow just fold.
Not unjabbed. Pure bloods!
Not only is that divisive campaign in full swing but just like the self censorship resulting from campaign fear – I’m getting lectured by ‘celebrity’ friends (ie those who have ‘made it’) about getting the vaccine – it’s sinister as if they’ve been sponsored – which they haven’t- just a result of brain washing. Many are Australian – the worst – you’re a fucking enemy alien lunatic if you question the point of the vaccine, it’s efficacy (not), and it’s risk.
Its all lies and propaganda designed to confuse and scare people into submission. The reality is we are not living in a pandemic. WHO changed the requirements to call a pandemic several times to the point that it is now a pandemic everyday.
There is tiny risk to this virus, its part of the coronavirus family and immunity is widespread to all the strains of them.
The variants are simply made up – 0.3% genome difference makes zero difference to immune systems.
PCR tests are made up, we know the cycle rate is so high most if not all positives are false.
Masks make zero difference
Stopping a virus, what a joke…
Its all theatre and evil people are running the show.
Presumably they can also vary the PCR cycle threshold at will to suit the narrative – lower the number of cycles to “demonstrate” the effectiveness of the so-called covid vaccines, raise the number to scare the public about the alleged spread of so-called variants and any “new wave”.
Indeed they can and I would say they do. The CDC announced that they are using 28 cycles for people vaccinated (that’s right an official statement!). Its a convulated statement too, again to confuse and disguise.
So across the world they can simply boost cases when needed and reduce them at the moments they want. The very fact they were able to class a case on a positive test only is quite amazing.
This is why they achieved the acceptance by governments to use “lockdown” in the first place because they got the “cases” they needed from the test.
They should double test the positive result with another test of the 2nd variety, ie, first with PCR, second Lateral. They don’t. For our misleading government, a case is a case, end of.
Gold Standard my arze.
Testing is bullshit. Example. Virtually all of us carry the Epstein-Barr virus. Change the primers, test a large number of people and, hey presto, thousands of asymptomatic cases of Glandular Fever!
Having very reluctantly had to submit to several PCR tests to travel for a family event that I just couldn’t miss, I posed the question of cycle count to the company running the tests in my home country and in Scotland when I arrived. Guess how unsurprised I was when both requests received ‘we are unable to give out this information’ replies!
It is not theatre. We were wrong. It is pantomime.
Sad, standard good cop, bad cop misdirection play to confuse and divide the public.
Dirty, corrupt cops, the lot of them.
This linked video is excellent on every aspect of this crisis, of particular interest was the potential unknown harm to male fertility at 28:06 of the video and also serving a notice of liability as a deterrent to school board members or any other professional pushing the vaccines ( 33:47).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWq4miJA5U
There was never going to be a “Freedom day”. Even if everything explicitly promised for 21st June comes to pass, there will still be masks, mass testing, travel restrictions, track and trace, covid propaganda from the govt and SAGE, vaccine madness, furlough, huge wastes of public money, booster vaccines and most of all the Big Lie that covid was an “emergency” will still dominate mainstream discourse. If 21st June makes some people’s lives better in particular ways because it enables them to work or whatever again, then that’s good for them but lockdown sceptics should be under no illusions that the war is anything like won. I really hope that TY and the others don’t give up.
Perhapswe the public should have our own freedom day, seriously, what is anybody going to do about it .They wont shoot us ,they can arrest us all,and we arent as a society breaking the law.A society neesd to assert its humanity and has a common right to do so.So a man loses his business and struggles to pay bills ,feed his children because of a virus that we struggled to get a vaccine for and then DID !!!.Im sorry but waiting for these fools to tell us when we can hug,fly ,work ,drink beer is not a sustainable situation and deep down we all know it .Action is required ,subtle and determined.This government will at some point have to do something to get voted back into power and that is YOUR power, your cash is your power,your vote is your power and your basic rights are your power .Lose the masks .lose the fear and lose the crippling compliance and take back what is yours .It willbe easier than you think Do some simple maths .The government will never get the backing of the police or the armed forces as they are society as well .Think On
Well most of us sceptics have been trying to live our lives normally since March 2020, but there’s only so much you can do. A significant proportion, almost certainly a majority, probably substantial, think that covid was/is an unprecedented health emergency. Vaccine takeup is 90% – that tells you quite a lot about what people think.
I wonder whether the figures are true?
I think they probably are, just based on the evidence around me. I am the only one of my friends and family who hasn’t had it.
They all think it is wonderful. One of my friends has even said that they wouldn’t give anything to us to harm us, when she was trying to persuade me to have it.
On the plus side, my step-daughter is showing resistance, on the grounds that she would still like to have children & she has stopped wearing a mask!
There is Science..and then there is ‘The $cience’.
Susan Michie….look into her background to see the true depth of where this going.
Two things, “it’s inevitable that the unvaccinated will start to fall ill.” Bollox! I’ll take my chances and prove you wrong.
“Give people chance to get the vaccine,” Double Bollox, try to force and coerce more people I think you meant to say.
These evil liars know no bounds and I seriously don’t give a tinker’s cuss what they say anymore.
Thank you for expressing it so well … I’m originally from Yorkshire too and they can F off witch their vaccine coercion. 3 letters, 3 phone calls and 3 texts so far. It is intrusive and pressuring. If I have to have a covid vaccine to be allowed any semblance of life then I will see what the Valneva trials look like. No to this current lot.
I have had multiple reminders too. Maybe it’s just me, but I find the social pressure far more intrusive and , in a way, persuasive. But a post on here recently persuaded me that caving in would be an act of betrayal of freedom, and that’s where I am sticking for now. But like you, open minded about future treatments.
It would more be a betrayal of reason than freedom- unless you have a better insight than I do into the relative risks and benefits of the jabs?
I’m hugely disappointed -only one letter , one call from GP surgery and one call from national who gave up when I declined to confirm my dob. They really are giving up too easy.
You will be subjected to a “second wave” later, I was
.
Yes. For me it’s become far more than issue of not wanting to take a ‘vaccine’ (and a highly dodgy one at that). It’s become a moral standpoint against being bullied and co-erced by a band of people (the majority of whom I have absolutely no respect for and no longer trust) who I do not believe care about us as individuals at all. It’s about not being allowed the fundamental right of looking after my health in the way that I want to. If bodily autonomy has gone, life for me will be a mere existence and the right to retain this must be fought with everything we have.
Not much of this “inevitable” illness last summer when restrictions were eased and we didn’t have masks, vaccines, tracks and trace (to begin with)
Given that it’s mostly pure bloods on the marches, at SITP, and who have been meeting as normal indoors, unmasked and up close and personal for ages, I don’t see them (us) dropping in the streets in any great number.
Well at least we know who is running the country and it most certainly is NOT those we nominally elected.
So Billy boy Gates’ SAGE puppets have revealed who is really in charge. No wonder Bozo and Nut Nut could piss about in a wedding all day while the country burns around them. Echoes of Adolf and Eva?
The marvels of rhe behavioural psychotics unit
Listen to this. Laura Dodsworth on savage minds.substack.com interview about the misuse of behavioural psychology.
So George Useless can be added to the list of heads we want to see roll at the end of all this shite.
To play devil’s, the Conservative spin masters will eek this out. They know the people are growing tired of SAGE and their continual doom laden announcements. Especially that they have taken the medicine required for entry to the Church of Pharma. The party will want to to be seen to ride to the rescue. They will no doubt have seen the popularity gained by Governers in Texas and Florida, it’s an open goal. They know this is over, but they have masses perfectly on their strings. They’ll be loving this.
The 21st will happen. Maybe keep masks but that’ll be the only thing because it’s a useful way to keep the fear in at no cost. Then, as the winter comes, push for the vaccine boosters amind new variants. More lockdowns, especially on the non vaxxed.
The non vaxxed will have destroyed the conservatives’ sure fire road map to freedom. The camps will be readied and the police will march them off to their punishment.
If Julia Hartley Brewer says no to masks as of 21 June then I can’t see them continuing. Ok she isn’t the greatest media influencer but she does have some clout .
The face mask on public transport regs automatically expire on 20th June, to continue with mandatory face masks on public transport after that date will require new legislation, it would send a weird signal to simultaneously open up and enact new face mask regs! I think they want to draw a line in the sand over these dodgy face mask regs and consign them to history. Doubtless there will be guidelines and train and bus companies may bring in their own rules but my hunch is that as a full mandatory requirement, they are on the way out.
“It would send a weird signal”. I think they’ve sent plenty. Few have noticed.
I am a regular bus user and there are lots of unmasked now. Wear one to get on as a courtesy to saving the driver’s job in case of Karenism (they really don’t care) then take it off on sitting down.
They will keep masks, track and trace (we already know that), mass testing, vaccine bullying/lies/moneywasting/boosters, travel restrictions, furlough, WFH guidance. My life won’t change. Lockdown continues, unabated since March 2020. The Big Lie continues.
Who do these Sage monkeys work for?
Does Ravi Gupta by any chance get funding from Gates or the Wellcome Foundation?
This Mail story is just PR pressure for Ze Vacczines. Get vaxxed or we lock you up forever.
We all have to stop doing as they say. Just stop. And spit in their smirking faces.
Irrelevant. He’s a witch doctator
How can SAGE be so dismally useless? If you want to predict the next wave, you could look at other coronaviruses, which peak between December and March in northern temperate latitudes – typically in the first weeks of the New Year. You could then look at the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, which has done exactly that, peaking in late March 2020 and early January 2021 in the UK. The excess deaths diminished this winter and therefore will probably do so again this coming winter. The vaccines, of course, will mean serious illness and death will be massively further reduced (not sure I believe that, but it’s what I think I’m supposed to believe). Last summer, percent positivity bobbled around a baseline, but rises were not sustained until autumn (September / October) and could be predicted to be the same in 2021. I’m surprised SAGE’s models don’t predict predictable empirically observable coronavirus behaviour. What do you think?
Lockdown is the goal of SAGE, as an end in itself
How much does anyone not want to put money on Kim Jong-Johnson caving in at the last possible millisecond?
He’s a great fat communist fraud and Susan Michie knows it.
I have not yet read the comments buuuuut
Are these people on the committees so bloody stupid that they are unable to realise that you cannot ‘contain a virus’?
Did they all attend a special university to learn how to be stupid? My contempt for these arseholes know no bounds.
Speaking of universities peddling stupidity…. Princeton has dropped the Greek and Latin requirement for Classics majors. Should we laugh or cry? Cry. Then laugh.
“Let’s hope Boris sticks to his guns – for once. After all, only six people were reported as dying from COVID-19 yesterday.”
FFS…. “DYING FROM COVID”
Its been a year now.. Why are you still saying “From” . That was put to bed a year ago.. People die with covid. Hardly anyone dies from covid. These are people who have died from something else within 28 days of a positive test. Yet you are still perpetuating this myth
Credibility is going downhill
I have just heard another useful idiot on Today on Radio 4 promoting the variant scare. Boris the Boneless is bound to cave in.
They can say what they like- people are now wakened to the hype so are doing their own thing
No, they are nit on the brink. This was always the plan. Gaslighting, demoralising, breaking a nation. It makes me so angry that people are falling for this AGAIN……
Prof Gupta is a behavioural psychologist, so hardly an expert in epidemiology. The real crime if that a fuckwit like him is given airtime to propound his crap ideas.
I’m no fan of his pronouncements on lockdowns either, but on a point of fact he is a Professor of Clinical Microbiology:
Professor Ravi Gupta – Networks of evidence and expertise for public policy (cam.ac.uk)
Nuremberg 2 can’t come soon enough!
Cruel but clever. Give people hope – then take it away – repeat.They soon become so demoralised that they just don’t care – because if they do dare to care – they will get very angry and very scared. Nobody wants to be angry and scared – so they keep their heads firmly in the sand – hoping the nightmare will end. I still can’t work out why/ in whose actual interests this obviously destructive agenda is being pursued. Answers on a postcard please……
Well come the 21st if we don’t open up the government is screwed! Business will go under Pub’s and Village halls will be no more and all because Boris has been brain washed by SAGEs deeply unpleasant psychologists and modellers! If Boris esteemes Churchill so much then it’s time he told SAGE to bugger off Boris’s hero wouldn’t have given as stuff about the third wave he would have gone with what he was seeing in the real world
We’ve known all along. Who, with half a brain couldn’t see this coming? They are all lying fu(ks. All part of the agenda which was forecast in several places to the letter as early as last June. Propaganda, lies, censorship. Most of the MSM is complicit. None of the “Normy’s” are even aware. And the next year’s COVID propaganda budget nearly tripled and contracts awarded!
Interesting observation…I finally had enough and cancelled my subscription to The Times and Sunday Times, Daily Telegraph and The Independent, yesterday after many years of loyal readership. It wasn’t a tough decision.
The guy at The Times who was trying to talk me out of it and who seemed pretty ‘with it’, and you would have thought, well-read, didn’t even know there had been a huge march in London on Saturday or any previous protests!! He’d heard there was some trouble caused by ‘ mindless morons in a shopping centre‘ that was all. Suffice to say, we had a long chat. I think we may have a new convert.
Oh, and what’s this I was told was on one of the MSM Telly ‘news’ prog’s this morning? “Unfriend The Unvaxed”. Jeez, Who the fu(k is coming up with this stuff? It is sick and twisted, yet still, the slack-jawed mouth breathing masses suck it up! God help us all.
I can’t honestly remember what SAGE stands for but isn’t the E for emergency? In which case why are they still being taken any notice of I mean where is the emergency?
There is no emergency there never was a pandemic! The people have been conned by political charlatans, unfortunately too many people are unaware of the extent of the deceit. I hope they wake up soon.
So the unelected SAGE party is in power headed by? Ferguson?, Hancock?,Whitty?
Who voted for these people? Johnson is a puppet
Undoubtedly he is a puppet but the puppet master is ultimately Bill Gates whose largesse has greased many a palm of the weak greedy and cowardly.
Dr M Yeadon states that these so-called variants are so close in nature to the original as to be meaningless, so one wonders why such ‘sage’ people in such powerful positions are claiming otherwise and basing their misrepresentation upon advice given to the Gov regarding ending lockdown. Seems we will never get out of this hideous loop until people decide for themselves to live normal llves. I now pity the terrified for the gullible fools they are.
These SAGE experts need to learn to keep their mouths closed outside of their team and stop leaking stories and opinions to the press. It undermines the entire process and simply causes fear. I’d have fired anyone who I had in trust doing this.
Lying Boris needs to get some advice from the Governors of Florida, Texas and S Dakota on what to do with Prof Ravi Gupta’s advice
And to think the same experts were not just telling you to go to the pub ‘to eat out to help’ they were paying you (and adding to the mountain of debt) to do so. Track record not to good then
How many times does it need saying, I repeat, this has nothing to do with our health it’s about controlling the people and what better way to accomplish this but by fear! However Im hoping the public will be sufficiently angry if Bozo the Clown reneges on the Big Opening.
Mass revolt if they do
I don’t know one person who is going to continue with this nonsense beyond 21 June. Even the most avid mask-wearer I know now walks into the local store with her nose showing and another wears a see through muslin muzzle. I know, better if they wore nothing at all, but considering they were both very much into all of this a short while ago, I’d say they are finally waking up. Neither of them have any intention of carrying on with any of the “rules” beyond 21 June. The whole pathetic scaremongering has just scared them out of their stupor and woken them up. SAGE can take a running jump off a cliff.
Why is the UK gov’t determined to destroy even more hospitality businesses? What exactly are they doing. Open up the country and stop ruining lives. The USA has opened up, no increase in cases or deaths. What could this government possibly be thinking? It is beyond belief.
There’s never going to be a ‘freedom day’ until we take back the freedom that was stolen from us.