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Britain’s Covid Epidemic Will be Over if Vaccines Work Against Indian Variant

by Toby Young
24 May 2021 11:56 AM

The coronavirus crisis will be over in the U.K. shortly if the current vaccines work against the Indian variant, one of the country’s top scientists said on Radio 4’s Today programme this morning. MailOnline has more.

Professor Andrew Pollard, one of the main researchers behind the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab, said the pandemic in the U.K. could be “over” if the vaccines cut the risk of hospitalisation and death as well in the real world as analysis suggests.

Lab studies by Public Health England have found two doses of AstraZeneca or Pfizer’s jab provide a similar level of protection against symptomatic disease from the Indian variant as they do for the Kent version, which caused the country’s devastating second wave.

Professor Pollard said that a few more weeks were needed to firm up this claim, but he added that, traditionally, vaccines offer ‘much, much higher’ protection against hospitalisation and death than mild infection.

However, both Pfizer and AstraZeneca’s jabs were only 33 per cent effective at blocking symptoms of the Indian strain three weeks after one dose, compared to 50 per cent against the Kent variant. Officials say it highlights the importance of getting both injections.

Professor Pollard told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “If the current generation of vaccines are able to stop people going into hospital, whilst there is still mild infections, people are getting the common cold with the virus, then the pandemic is over.

“Because we can live with the virus, in fact we are going to have to live with the virus in one way or another, but it doesn’t matter if most people are kept out of hospital because then the NHS can continue to function and life will be back to normal. We just need a little bit more time to have certainty around this.”

Ministers say England is on track for all restrictions to be dropped as planned on June 21, despite fears the rapid spread of the Indian variant would jeopardise ‘freedom day’.

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Indian variantPHEProfessor Andrew Pollard

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soundofreason
soundofreason
10 months ago

This week it emerged that workers at the Department for Work and Pensions had left customers on hold for the equivalent of 753 years, according to the National Audit Office (NAO).

Customers?!

FFS!

If they don’t buck their ideas up I’ll use another department for my State Pension!

Last edited 10 months ago by soundofreason
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DHJ
DHJ
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Yes, HMRC use “customers” also as if you have a choice.

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Purpleone
Purpleone
10 months ago
Reply to  DHJ

That comes from some very expensive management consulting …

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

As an ex-employee I can confirm that DWP policy, and it certainly was and is policy is to refer to anybody claiming benefits as a “customer.” I refused. I never ever referred to a claimant as a “customer,” they were ALWAYS claimants.

My logic, repeated frequently was…

“Well they are not going to take their business elsewhere.”

This is the sort of garbage rhetoric that is embedded in the Civil Service and for the vast majority of staff they see no other logic. The majority are woke and extremely lazy.

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Huxley you are a very unusual individual. In a good way. Much respect.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Many thanks MAk. Very kind of you.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Yeah that’s like “thanks for your patience” – as if I had an option!

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Purpleone
Purpleone
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

“Well they are not going to take their business elsewhere.”

we wish they did!

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  Purpleone

😀 😀 😀

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Spiritof_GFawkes
Spiritof_GFawkes
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I was on hold on the phone to HMRC today with their interminable musical loop being regularly interrupted by messages telling me that me that my call was important to them. Clearly it wasn’t at all important or they would have answered me sooner,…!

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pjar
pjar
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

I was amused rather, after a blue light episode, to be asked if I would recommend the hospital to family and friends for emergency care?

As it happens the care I received was excellent and I’m still here as a result, but I did ask them where else I might have gone under the circumstances… no response, so far!

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Norfolk-Sceptic
Norfolk-Sceptic
10 months ago
Reply to  pjar

For emergency care?

I would have expected that there wouldn’t be the time to ponder.

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DHJ
DHJ
10 months ago

The problem isn’t where they work, it’s that there’s nothing that requires them to work or that can be easily done to replace underperformers. Those that want to do minimal work can do so.

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pjar
pjar
10 months ago
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It’s also that they’re protected from consequences by the system.

A few years ago I had to call DVLA for something. As it happened I had time on my hands, so was able to hold… for nearly an hour. Long story short; I complained to my MP and, when the answer came it was to say that all calls to DVLA are answered within 10 seconds and therefore there was nothing that needed attention, everything is hunky dory… so, the moment your call is ‘answered’ and you go into the queue is all they measure. I imagine this kind of jiggery pokery is rampant through every facet of the civil service?

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago

Where’s the hard evidence that working from home is related to productivity?

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soundofreason
soundofreason
10 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Motivated people will work wherever they need to or can. Well supervised people will work wherever they have to.

This article is about the DWP staff who are apparently neither motivated nor well supervised and will leave customers on hold for unreasonable amounts of time.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

I know what it’s about, what I can’t see in the excerpts is any reference to hard evidence that current poor productivity is related to working from home.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

tof, if you have never worked in the Civil Service you will never understand that it really is another planet.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I can imagine. I know a couple, one county council and one Whitehall, who work hard and are intrinsically motivated, but probably they are the exception. One is a socialist and has devoted his life to the public sector, the other is decidedly not a socialist and is actively working on starting his own business or moving into the private sector – not a surprise but a shame as he’s exceptionally bright.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Elcom (Electoral Commission) are still I believe “working” from home and boy can they give people the run around on the ‘phone. An absolute shower.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

PS I’ve just logged off work (at home, 5 days a week) – not done tons of hours today, just my standard 7.5ish, spread out a bit so I can fit other things in that make me happy and a better worker when I am working. Whenever I am on calls and there are people in the office there’s a cacophony of noise from chatting – how anyone can work in that environment is beyond me!

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
10 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

When I visit the office every so often I am a lot less efficient. My work requires focused concentration for long periods of time, and my excellent boss understands this. When I am in the office I often arrive late in the morning so I can then stay late and get some work done after everyone has gone home and I can be certain I am not going to be interrupted.

Working from home is what everyone used to do, let’s face it.

But yes, an ill-motivated and ill-managed individual will find a way to avoid work wherever they are. The worst offenders in my experience are the “managers”. Where the Civil Service is concerned, I imagine this effect is multiplied many times – other people spending other people’s money on what other people tell them are other people’s problems, so no-one cares about quality service or product and they don’t care how much it costs.

This is why state must be as small as possible. Where’s Maggie when you need her?

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

100% agree

I look back on my early days of commuting into London and working in the office with fondness, and perhaps for some of our younger staff who choose to do that it’s the same now (we have a lovely office available for people who prefer it, as many or as few days as they choose), but at my advanced age I find my lovely home in a more rural setting (or wherever I am with my laptop) much improve my quality of life. Horses for courses. If your staff are valuable to you, look after them as long as they deliver the work.

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FerdIII
FerdIII
10 months ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

We did internal studies – WFH was a mess. Office productivity measured in outputs, alignment, and meeting KPIs was achieved by being in the office. GDAD (geo agile projects) also suffered from failure – about 60% failed in some way (failure needs clear defining).

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
10 months ago
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Interesting. Overall it has made little difference to us – some have been more productive, others less. What aspects of WFH do you think made the difference?

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Spiritof_GFawkes
Spiritof_GFawkes
10 months ago
Reply to  FerdIII

During the earlier lockdowns my whole department (bar one) worked from home. We did all the usual stuff to the usual schedule, occasionally popping in to the office for the odd day when necessary and delivering paperwork to each others homes as necessary. I’m sure some of my staff didn’t work exactly office hours, though I did (plus some as I didn’t have to commute), but we all achieved the same output as normal and management accounts were published on time.
I guess, as a small team, we after motivated to do what we always did. I suspect that the behemoth that is the Civil ‘Service’ doesn’t have the same motivation…

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soundofreason
soundofreason
10 months ago

That chart… ‘Annual change in productivity growth‘.

Change in growth? Rate of a rate? Really?

So in Q1 2021 there was a -10% change in growth of productivity compared with a year before – or 90% of the growth in productivity from the year before? No mention of a decline in productivity at all?

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DHJ
DHJ
10 months ago

“Not a word has been spoken about what’s in the interest of the child. The reality is if you’re holding down a job, it’s very difficult to spend adequate time with the child”

Best to get another government department or an expensive stranger to look after your children. Longer term, it’s easier to get them wearing masks and be vaccinated without the burden of parental consent.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago

What we have to be aware of is that this collapse in civil service productivity, productivity which I would argue is largely immeasurable, is deliberate. All our public services are being collapsed:

The police pick and choose who to arrest and similarly arbitrarily pick and choose what they might deem arrestable offences depending on lots of factors – skin colour, religion, height, weight, sex or lack thereof, length of time to end of shift.

Most of the above can be applied to the NHS although here the game is to make lots of noises while doing F A except creating waiting lists.

ELCOM – absolutely brilliant at knowing nothing and doing less while sending you round in circles and all while we interrupt their watching of ‘Flog It’ or some such crap.

We are deliberately being led and manipulated in to believing we are a Third World shit hole and within a couple of years we will be.

The tory Party has undergone a controlled demolition orchestrated from within. The same demolition processes are being applied to all the mechanisms of state. Kneel is already overturning Parliamentary traditions eg rearranging the David Amess Bills Day and other procedures.

The country is being dismantled from within. Our history is being rewritten such that the glories of Empire are now the greatest sins the world has ever seen. There will be no let up. Why do we think the Khant was installed in Londonistan on the back of 1.2 million votes? He has been placed there to do precisely what he is doing – destroy the greatest capital city in the world.

So the crap of working from home is just one small element in the whole and that is the demolition of the United Kingdom.

Everything is linked.

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DHJ
DHJ
10 months ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

“We are deliberately being led and manipulated in to believing we are a Third World shit hole and within a couple of years we will be.”

Perhaps that’s why there’s been a trend over recent years of eateries with a run-down look so that people get used to it before it stops being a choice.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
10 months ago
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Yes more than likely.

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pjar
pjar
10 months ago

E-mail to all staff: “A failure to return to work on Mondays or Fridays will be construed as indication of your wish to terminate your employment…”

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