Over-50s will be offered a third Covid vaccine dose before winter, in part to tackle new variants. But according to the Head of the Covid Genomics U.K. Consortium (COG-UK), there is currently “no hint” of a variant that can fully evade the effectiveness of vaccines. If anything, future variants could be less infectious. The Express and Star has the story.
Sharon Peacock, Head of COG-UK and Professor of Public Health and Microbiology at the University of Cambridge, said it could be the case that coronavirus mutates to become less infectious, though she warned it could take years for it to become like the common cold.
Asked whether a variant will emerge somewhere across the globe that is resistant to current vaccines, Professor Peacock told Times Radio: “That’s what we’d call it, a variant of major concern. We haven’t seen anything like that to date, and the question you’re asking is the million dollar question in many ways, everybody wants to know what’s the likelihood and when is it likely to occur, if at all.
“What we don’t know is if it is likely to occur. We know that as mutations accumulate in the virus, it can actually make it more fit in terms of avoiding our immune system, but the more mutations it accumulates, it could actually lead to a virus that is less infectious, for example.
“So there’s a trade-off for the virus in terms of how many mutations it can tolerate.
“Now, some people have predicted that a virus could emerge that is pretty resistant to vaccines, but we haven’t seen any hint of that at the moment.
“And the idea that this could arise is based on models from previous viruses, not this current one, so at the moment, I remain optimistic that we’re in a good place – that the viruses that are circulating are susceptible to vaccinations.”
Despite the continual fall of Covid cases and deaths, and the success of the vaccine rollout, the Government and media narrative around the virus continues to be fairly pessimistic – largely due to the perceived threat of variants. Imperial College’s Danny Altmann said last month that the Indian Covid variant could “scupper” Britain’s “roadmap” out of lockdown – a statement which a member of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation criticised as “pessimistic“. Professor Neil Ferguson also believes that life in Britain will “not [be] completely back to normal” by summer because of Covid variants, despite advisers to SAGE saying last week that Pfizer’s vaccine does protect well against the South African variant after people have had both doses.
The Express and Star report is worth reading in full.
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I now think that Toby had to hire this author, otherwise, his site would have been taken offline.
I think so. I think he is being asked, or told, to show “balance” in his news coverage, in the same way a mainstream news provider has to. Only this isn’t a mainstream news site – it’s a campaigning website.
Ah yes, balance, like a mainstream provider! BBC jumps to mind doesn’t it!?
It seemed like TalkRADIO were “got at” in this way. I was looking for a different clip but this one seems just as relevant:
Bill Hicks – Nafta / Elections
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79anP9NPnuY
That “offered” again…
We will stop you having a social life if you don’t join the experiment.
Can’t up tick you for this Friedrich, so damned depressingly salient.
Professor Peacock bludgeons Professor Vanden Bossche to death with a Candlestick in the Study.
The bioweapon being jabbed in to people’s arm is not a vaccine. Calling it as such is misleading propaganda.
If you know someone who has had both jabs, be careful how close you get to them. There’s growing evidence that this thing spreads like a disease.
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Listen to interviews with doctors who are exposing what this injection really is.
White Rose website seems a good place to work through the several videos that are starting to appear about this.
Give the nonsense a rest will you. We get enough irrational and unhinged waffle from the mask and lockdown fanatics.
I’m going to quote you Lucan, so in a few months time if/when the shit hits the fan, I’ll remind you what you said. I’ll also remind others that you’re the pro-jab fanatic who regularly lurks on this site looking for opportunities to troll people that oppose the jab.
That’s not fair. Caution about an untested therapy is one thing. Hysterical nonsense is another, and encourages the vaxtards to label us as crackpots.
I’m glad you popped into this discussion Anne, since you were one of those who mocked me last year for warning that the borders will eventually close and we’ll have a passport system put in place to do basic social interactions. I said our money transactions would be used to track us and surveillance would sky-rocket. You called me a misery gut.
Go on then, cite some evidence.
Do your own research, I’m not your lacky.
So, no evidence then.
Everything I have read is opinion, not evidence.
He can’t even quote Annie’s name correctly
This is getting ridiculous. If you have an argument, let’s go, if you just want to throw petty comments around – push off.
My argument is that you couldn’t even get the person’s name right, either as a sign of willful disrespect or lazy observation.
To be fair, I’m sort of siding with you with the ‘vaccines’ subject.
On the issue of immunity escape it is the optimists who have good cause to say “Covid is not flu” as influenza A has immunity evasion capabilities (thanks to its interchangeable H and N proteins) possessed by few other viruses.
If we liken a virus’s genetic code to a piece of English text, then ordinary mutations are equivalent to getting individual words wrong in the copying process, while what flu can do is more like copying and pasting entire paragraphs.
There’s a reason why pre-2020 pandemic planning in the West was so heavily focused on flu…
That’s a good analogy.
Flu steaks whole paragraphs.
Covid19 forgets to cross a Tee or reverses two lettres
In the words of the old saying, with these jokers it’s a case of their “not knowing whether the cow calved, or the bull broke its bloody neck”. God knows why this article and others continually quote Pherguson the Phraudulent Physicist as if that so-and-so has the foggiest notion of what will happen (other than stuff that he crashes, like the economy). For crap like that, go to the BBC, GMB, Sky or whatever.
Fergusson the Soothsayer examining the excel entrails.
Woe Woe and Thrice lockdown or WOE!
Or fully evade the immune system of somebody that has already had it … it’s looking more and more like the common cold.
Anyone who can’t grasp that the ‘variant’ narrative is just another imaginary Scary Fairy, really should wait until they grow up a bit before entering the discussion.
Who gives a toss when the ‘vaccines’ do very little, anyway?
I am having great difficulty reading the same comments discussing the merits or otherwise of the ‘vaccines’. Its as if no-one has taken on board that they have shown no ability to reduce transmission or confer immunity in any trial. Their absolute efficacy barely reaches 1%. Yet the real risks of blood clotting and/or internal bleeding are rarely mentioned.
We have the possibility of mass murder happening in front of our eyes and yet people spend their time discussing whether AZ or Pfizer is a ‘better’ injection.
The whole point of variants is to scare people
I used to roll my eyes when people said “it’s a psyop”.
But on this occasion that’s exactly what it is.
say it ain’t so !
Or could it be something more sinister than that? Is the “variants” narrative an exercise in predictive programming, there to condition the mind to acceptance and submission for when people start to get genuinely ill from Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of disease, brought about by the vaccines?
There is a defacto, known to science, documented history of Coronavirus vaccines causing enhancement of disease in animal subjects. The relationship has been established beyond all doubt. This is why no Coronavirus vaccine exists – they have attempted to create vaccines for other Coronaviruses many times in the past, but they all ended in failure due to enhancement of disease. With the Covid19 vaccines they conveniently skipped the animal trials and went straight to population wide rollout without producing a shred of evidence that this issue of enhancement has been resolved. Enhancement is when the vaccinated subject becomes more severely ill than they otherwise would have when they encounter “wild” virus, leading to death in many animal subjects.
So they have now injected 10s and 100s of millions of people with agents which can reasonably be expected to cause enhancement of disease in the vaccinated. The human body is an amazingly resilient thing, so it remains to be seen what actually plays out.
If there are waves of enhanced disease, in reality caused by the vaccine, the authorities need a cover story for this, or what they themselves refer to as “PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY“. Enter the variant. The variant narrative serves many purposes. It can be used to maintain the narrative, the mysterious, deadlier than the last one, variant.
People will be thinking…….”Variants? What’s this? Ah, that’s ok, they’re saying this variant is not too bad, hopefully it will stay that way”
But this narrative can be manipulated and used as the perfect cover story for ADE. Very clever, as always with these people. They have already sent out the message that the vaccines can handle the current variants, but that they might not protect against future variants, which provides nice cover for the fact that the vaccinated will continue to get ill, and with enhancement, get more ill than they otherwise would have done. It was the wretched “Nameaplace” variant what done it.
Here is an example of how the potential for Covid19 injections to cause ADE is absolutely known to science and has been documented and published, like this from the International Journal Of Clinical Practice:
Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijcp.13795
Results of the study
COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.
Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications
The specific and significant COVID‐19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.
There are many reasons to think this motive is not at least partly in play.
The bigger the lie the easier it is to get people to buy into it. I mean who would deliberately inject people with something that could kill to protect against a disease with 0.15% IFR? Who could possibly believe anyone could be that evil?
Well maybe because the injection was always the planned outcome and the ‘disease’ and all its variants and all the NPIs were just leading up to this point.
How could I say that, its conspiracy on steroids? How could anyone be that EVIL?
A study of human history I think shows the fallacy of believing it impossible.
I can find no other logical reason for the deliberate refusal to acknowledge the possibilities of ADE as expressed by many experienced scientists/medics who really have no ‘skin the game’ and no reason for expressing this view except one of honest fear.
We seem to be on the same page. I think it is significant that the government, and the quack scientists who support it contrary to any evidence base, all have a vested interest in distortion – either financial, status-related (look at the gongs), or political. A few may escape the condemnation – but not many and are genuinely mistaken or rather limited.
The rationalists, on the other hand, tend to comprise those with genuine scientific motives.
The ADE scares me, that’s how I found out about all this.
But we are also potentially setting us up for a massive national security debacle.
If we’ve “vaccinated” all the doctors, nurses, teachers, police, firemen, ambulance people and the entire military, and ADE kicks in we are going to be completely screwed.
And here’s an idea I just read that scared the pants off me even further:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241577
Of course by extension, it doesn’t have to be a foreign adversary. I keep pointing out that I believe “Covid21” is coming (based on things I keep seeing, supposedly “mistakes” by the media and people like Fauci) and will be blamed for the ADE incidents.
These “vaccines” are the most stupid, unscientific and evil thing I have ever heard of in my life.
Is lager a variant of beer?
No. It a type of beer.
East Anglian blarney and Kentish psyops.
… and makes you equally drunk according to consumption and ABV!
The most change a variant has from the original Wuhan variety is 0.3%.
The human immune system is capable of identifying variations of up to 30%
Why is this even a topic? Because suddenly after millenia the human immune system is inferior to ‘vaccines’. Absolute Bull Shit!
Well said.
I did like Mike Yeadon’s description of how similar a variant is to the original – like putting your baseball hat on backwards and thinking no-one will recognise you.
You might “like it” but he’s utterly utterly wrong.
Immunity isnt a “% evaluation”.
Its all about folding and 3 dimensional shapes allowing antibodies to fit and lock on.
A single amino acid change is more than capable of altering the folding structure sufficiently to reduce binding.
A few changes depending where and what they are are capable of hugely increasing this.
This is basic school level biology, Yeadon is trained enough to know this so the only logical conclusion is he’s being deliberately misleading for publicity and fame.
So far we show some of the point mutations are reducing neutralising potential 6-10 fold but this isnt enough to evade a vaccine. In Pfizers case merely reduce it 10-15% or so. AZ all bets are off.
Things still work because we’re producing immunity to multiple epitopes and polyclonal responses but to say “its only 3% and we can identify variations up to 30%” is utterly ridiculous and has no basis at all in actual science.
If you go by his “logic” a person would only ever catch any disease once in their entire life and then be forever immune because the genome doesn’t vary by “30%”.
This is actual peer reviewed science.
I have no idea about the effect or end result, neither have you or Yeadon.
But I agree with your assessment about his reasoning here, simply in light of the genetic difference between humans and apes being even smaller than those 3%.
“Genetic distance. The genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees is less than 2%, or three times larger than the variation among modern humans (estimated at 0.6%).”
Have they tested the genetic difference to get a place on SAGE? Does it overlap with the genes for anencephaly?
There is a slight difference ( hint ‘slight’ is sarcasm) between the complexity of a human , chimpanzee and a virus. That argument isn’t even worth having.
And SPratt, the point about the immune system is that it does exactly what you have just denied. Otherwise the human race would have died out several hundreds of thousands of years ago. It recognising something ‘like’ a disease it has already come across. and musters its defences accordingly. The person may still suffer some symptoms , but usually not major ones or life threatening ones. Its a matter of degree.
But of course the scientists can’t think in ‘degrees’ its all or nothing. So if there is a slight variation the concoction may or may not work, it is incapable of adaptation, unlike the immune system.
I know you used some long words in an attempt to confuse and sound clever, but you are still WRONG.
Actually we have a good idea of the end result.
Protein folding is a big field and been used and publised extensively.
Thats how we’ve (accurately) predicted which mutations result in a reduction in neutralisation which has then been shown to be the case in practice.
The data and papers are public, Yeadon would know this as well but refuses to accept it or just ignores it.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/850.abstract
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.14.431117v2.abstract
for example.
We know point changes can cause substantially different shape outputs and can model this.
Stress again, nothing to date from mRNAs appears to offier a vaccine escape problem.
Not even close to it.
AZ its highly likely we do have escape variants *BUT* not T-cell escape which is important for preventing serious illness.
In other words, all our vaccines exhibit protection against severe illness and all variants. The mRNAs also offer protection against infection.
But Yeadon is just talking nonsense and shouldn’t be invoked.
Why do you contend that one “vaccine” is more adept at protecting against variants than another?
As I understand it, all the current treatments (used in the UK) invade cells and cause them to produce the (same) spike protein, and the relevant immunity is then developed against these spike proteins. Why would the nature of the immunity be path-dependant?
Plenty of things.
There’s more and more real world data out weekly showing AZ is far worse than mRNAs.
Its not just “producing” the spike protein, its how its capped, how much is produced, in what cell types and many other things.
The 2 mRNA vaccines both work in very similar ways and both have very similar efficacy (Moderna is a slightly higher dose).
Basically blobs of mRNA wrapped in a membrane with some adjuvants.
AZ is different in that its a chimp virus as a vector. A long established problem with this is the immune system reacts to the vector which can mean there isnt as much time for the spike to be delivered to cells and be produced. So its “learning” off less exposure (think of it as a lower “dose” of spike) *and* is also learning the chimp virus itself which isnt helpful.
Its a much less efficient way to deliver a payload and can cause more systemic side effects due to the other virus used to deliver it.
This is particularly problematic with the booster as the immune system is likely to clobber the vector before its delivered much spike RNA at all. Which is likely why it only seems to add 4-5% onto efficacy.
Its a long established and known limitation of vector derived therapies.
Long term i suspect all vaccines purely targeting the spike will be degraded by mutations. 2nd generations i guess will target the N or other proteins alongside it which provides a lot more of an attack surface.
Friday (7th) at least 2, maybe all 3 of the 617 lineage Indian variants are going to be designed Variants of Concern as they’ve grown a lot.
A London care home had an outbreak and although none died (T cell immunity working) 15 got infected. All had at least 1 dose of AZ, 4 had been double dosed.
So its another hint there that AZ is being partially evaded by 617 (and we know P1, 351 etc already do the same). Its evading to the point it still infects and spreads but most likely T cell response whacks it before it becomes serious.
Thank you, but, as far as I can make out, that’s an explanation of why viral vector treatments are less effective, in general, not of why they are less good specifically in dealing with a variant.
The Doctors For CoViD Ethics piece suggests that “learning the chimp virus itself” is actually a good thing:
“In contrast [with viral vector], in the mRNA vaccines, there is no protein antigen for the antibodies to recognize. Thus, regardless of the existing degree of immunity, the vaccine mRNA is going to reach its target — the body cells. These will then express the spike protein and subsequently suffer the full onslaught of the immune system. With the mRNA vaccines, the risk of severe adverse events is virtually guaranteed to increase with every successive injection.” (4.5, https://madisonarealymesupportgroup.com/2021/05/03/covid-vaccines-necessity-efficacy-and-safety/)
Why are you talking about antibodies?
They’re at best a minor component of host immunity to viruses,
I suspect you have not read the last dozen important peer reviewed journal articles on this subject.
” he’s (Yeadon is )being deliberately misleading for publicity and fame”
I choked on my vaccine at that accusation – much more applicable to the government arse lickers, significance seekers and gong collectors than it is to Yeadon.
Viruses mutate and produce variants. Always have; always will. Since this virus is a massively exaggerated problem in the first place, why would you bother about normal evolution?
Answer : to keep the Scary Fairy flying and in control.
The truth makes you choke?
Take a GCSE biology class. The last time i looked at the syllabus some of the modules there would be enough to prove Yeadons 3% claim to be complete and utter nonsense.
Yes viruses produce variants. Yes its often just a small number of changes (tenths of a percent) and that is the reason we keep getting infected with colds and flus throughout our lives.
Those tiny mutations are just enough to partially evade protection allowing an infection.
Immunity isn’t a binary yes/no. Its literally many years of study to learn the basics. A full degree course in fact.
Cite your evidence that:
1. This virus has variants that are much more different than I’ve said
2. That ANY variant is not recognised by T-cells in a person immune through vaccination or natural infection.
You can’t do it. I’ve read the papers that support both statements & there are many from independent labs.
That’s not true.
If differences are so slight, even with what you say, the majority of the ‘epitopes’, the 3D structures of the pieces into which the virus is cut, are IDENTICAL.
This is theoretically so AND confirmed empirically.
See especially research by Alison Tarke & Shane Crotty.
You liar.
Thanks, and no one has corrected me.
They would if they differences were much larger.
Where are the Fact Check people when you need them!?
A video about nasal swabs – https://brandnewtube.com/watch/kids-working-slave-labour-making-test-kits_48nJiTh4g2v3zf9.html
There were similar videos last year of blue/white surgical masks being made by very sorry looking middle eastern people on benches, chairs and on the floor of what looked like the kitchen of a large kebab shop.
Why on EARTH is that discredited and dishonourable person Ferguson STILL being quoted? As if anyone in their right mind would pay heed to anything this creature says.
For God’s sake – STOP QUOTING HIM.
“despite advisers to SAGE saying last week that Pfizer’s vaccine does protect well against the South African variant after people have had both doses.”
The problem is we know AZ provides very little or no protection and the government ,presumably from flag waving idiotic politics is insisting on vaccinating most people in the country with AZ instead.
This probably explains why they’re so scared of variants and nobody else in the world is overly bothered.
We’re using by far the least effective vaccine for the majority of the programme due purely to political point scoring.
It’s not flag-waving – we can’t get hold of sufficient supplies of the Pfizer vaccine. The government is using AstraZeneca, pretending it is just as effective, to avoid blushes whilst waiting for supplies of the Pfizer to arrive with which to ‘top-up’ in the autumn.
Using it to vaccinate the vulnerable made sense – it pretty much eliminates death and severe illness.
BUT once that was done we were not under any more time pressure. We didn’t need to rush in to get everyone vaccinated no-matter-what.
Given the policy appears to be case suppression and their biggest fear is variants it would have made much more sense to just slow down and administer Pfizer/Moderna as and when supplies are available once all the vulnerable had been protected.
Flag waving stopped that. I still think its likely everyone that had AZ will require a Pfizer booster in the Autumn for that reason.
“policy appears to be case suppression”
Emphasis on “appears”. Injection with experimental, genetically-engineered, bio agents might have been a decent bet for the highly vulnerable, but is an insane idea for reducing cases of mild illness, in the rest of the population.
None of the ‘vaccines’ are very effective. All have quite concerning levels of risk.
Rubbish. Peer reviewed data shows they’re very effective at preventing serious illness and yellow card/vaers shows that for vulnerable groups the risk of covid is far more than from vaccine.
Very poor, 77th in class
Never let the truth spoil good
propaganda.
I was taught a new one here the other day
‘ESCAPED Mutant Variants !’.
haha I wonder how many times people are going to allow being injected before there is a revolution. Monthly? Weekly? When does it end?
They’ve been conditioned to take them ad finitum.
The “vaccines” will probably make the coronaviruses more deadly (ADE), but the solution will be more “vaccines”, specially modified for the more deadly strain that they created. Then rinse and repeat.
I am watching what happens in the Seychelles. Over 60% fully vaccinated and infections soaring, according to Lockdown Sceptics yesterday. The two vaccines used are Sinopharm and a generic version of AstraZeneca. If infections translate into deaths, those two vaccines must be regarded as ineffective.
To the contrary….
“those two vaccines must be regarded as ineffective.” or they kill people, because vaxing the frail is maybe not a good idea, or there is some other explanation given the woefully inconsistent ways in which covid deaths are counted.
Do these Health $cientists actually know if they are on foot or horseback? (to coin a phrase)
On something
As someone with reasonable knowledge of immunology, I’ve said for months that the variants narrative is a complete lie.
No variant differs by enough to even consider altering the vaccines.
In over 16 months, the virus has changed by no more than 0.3%. Its certain that differences of 20% or even more are easily recognised as the same pathogen by our immune systems.
So why is our government lying to us?
Why close international borders because of it?
Why is pharma making billions of doses of something we clearly don’t need?
Please consider again my warning that if the authorities wanted to harm or kill very large numbers of people with plausible deniability, it’d be hard to come up with a better scheme than this.
Add vaccine passports & it’ll be simple. We’ll walk to our own delayed execution.
Mike, for what it’s worth, I couldn’t agree more. It’s becoming increasingly obvious as time goes by what is going on, even to a few of the Double Digit members of our species.
What can you do though? We are up against a mighty foe. How do you deal with an enemy who has access to all of our money, spends it wantonly on the entire MSM network worldwide, who censors and lies at Olympic gold medal standard?
It will take incredibly strong leadership and powerful personalities to get the message across to a majority. I think its starting to grow despite their best efforts though. Will it be too late?
Florida really does sound good! You can shout from there better than most places.
Among other places trying to get the message out there and get people on the same side is hugotalks.com, if you don’t know it, well worth a look. He’s an “acquired taste” so check out a few of his videos, he talks a lot of sense and is also trying to bring like-minded people together in a world where the powers that be are desperately trying to keep us from exchanging any thoughts. Keep up the good work, you are another one of those rare sanity anchors in this 21st century lunatic asylum. The lunatics HAVE taken over the asylum!
WTF does Ferguson know. The man is clearly a charlatan but an exceptionally good con artist. How is he still being quoted on anything? I wouldn’t believe him if I was a fireman and he phoned to say his house was on fire. I’d be confident he was somehow just looking for attention.