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Police Unable to Deal With Crowds Due to Outdoor Hospitality Rules

by Michael Curzon
19 April 2021 2:32 PM

While bad weather at the beginning of last week hampered the reopening of outdoor hospitality in some parts of the country, many venues were blessed through the week with sunshine, bringing plenty of Brits out to visit pubs and restaurants for the first time since before Christmas. The rule that all customers must sit outdoors has led to large crowds gathering at makeshift beer gardens in city centres, making it difficult for police to enforce social distancing guidelines. The Telegraph has the story.

Covid rules forcing people to eat and drink outside pubs and restaurants have left police in an impossible position with officers unsure how to deal with large crowds…

In city centres across the country, closed off roads were transformed into makeshift party venues with bars and restaurants offering outdoor seating for customers.

But despite warnings that social distancing rules must be maintained, scenes in areas like Soho in central London suggested little notice was being taken of the law.

As the drink flowed, hundreds of revellers crowded together in the narrow streets, leaving police with the headache of trying to control the crowds.

Ken Marsh, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation said yet again the Covid rules had placed frontline officers in a difficult situation.

He said: “We are facing a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation still, and Soho is a prime example. How on earth are we supposed to police that? 

“The local councils have made it easy for people to do pretty much what they want. The council is carrying out regular patrols and are calling the police if there are any major problems but in terms of making sure people stick to social distancing it is extremely difficult.”

John Apter, the National Chair of the Police Federation, said: “It is clear that alcohol and social distancing do not mix.”

The pub and restaurant trade has also criticised the outdoor hospitality rules, insisting there is no evidence to maintain the ban on indoor venues.

The industry will find out this week if the High Court has granted permission to launch a Judicial Review over the Prime Minister’s roadmap out of lockdown.

A spokesman for the British Beer and Pub Association said: “All restrictions have to be removed by June 21st.”

“That is the date when we start our road back to profitability. For us we are holding on but we need the second half of this year to save the Great British Pub. That is it in a nutshell.”

Despite this plea, it seems increasingly unlikely that the Government will even stick to the date of the next phase of its “roadmap” out of lockdown – reopening indoor hospitality. Environment Minister George Eustice said on Sunday that it is still “too early to say” whether this unlocking can take place on May 17th because of the threat of new variants, despite the success of the vaccine rollout and the fact that Covid cases have fallen to a seven-month low in England.

The Telegraph’s report is worth reading in full.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

I suspect there may be such a large crowd in London this Saturday demanding our freedom from lockdown, that the police’s problems policing crowds to date will appear rather trivial by comparison.

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isobar
isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Let’s hope so!!

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smithey
smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Fingers crossed. Thinking of heading down myself

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flyingjohn
flyingjohn
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Let’s hope so, Arthur.

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awildgoose
awildgoose
4 years ago

Just the kind of sand in the gears we want to see!

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
4 years ago

Meanwhile just one death with Covid reported in England today.

#Clownworld

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

Panic, Panic; Lockdown, Lockdown!!!

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TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago

PCP Set To Be Listed For Hearing At Bromley Magistrates Court
https://www.thebernician.net/pcp-set-to-be-listed-for-hearing-at-bromley-magistrates-court/

“One week ago, we were informed by telephone that PUB’s PCP papers are now with the designated court’s listings department, who expect a case number will soon be issued, following checks by the legal team at Bromley Magistrates, to which it was transferred for processing and listing by the Westminster court where the case was laid last month.

Effectively, this means that the case files contained enough prima facie evidence of pandemic fraud for Westminster to transfer the case to Bromley, for the purposes of performing the final legal checks [the initial checks having been done by the south London court’s legal department] and listing the first hearing of the case at the Kent court.”

……….

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smithey
smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  TheFascistCoronaFraud

Good work, but why are they not also trying to prosecute Boris Johnson?

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  TheFascistCoronaFraud

I had been wondering where our Corona Committee was. I salute you all. I won’t wish you luck. I wish you justice. And if thoughts, appreciation and admiration were fuel, you’d go a long way on mine..

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

“Social distancing rules”….”Covid rules”….”Social distancing guidelines”…

The usual blurring of lines from the media Police exist to keep the peace and enforce the LAW. Last time I read all the silly Statutory Instruments they use as “law” none of them mentioned distancing.

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gina
gina
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

yeah – I’m a bit confused. My understanding is that social distancing is not a legal requirement – it’s only guidance – so we can all cheerfully ignore it if we so choose. Have I got it wrong?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  gina

I don’t think it was ever/is law as applied to individuals. I don’t know what law if any there was that applied to say a pub, which put its tables too close together. They may be liable to forced closure on Health & Safety grounds but I think there’s a process to go through there. A lot of it is just govt laziness and bullying, with a complicit media.

I guess as applicable to individuals it’s sort of law indirectly as gatherings of > 2 were illegal if from different households, now > 6 unless only from 2 households etc, so if you were in the park less than 2m away from others maybe you could be accused of gathering. I don’t know what a gathering is in legal terms.

The whole thing shows that the law is not a suitable vehicle for micromanaging human interactions.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  gina

That’ my understanding – the police have no remit on this.

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Aesop
Aesop
4 years ago

“The local councils have made it easy for people to do pretty much what they want.”

Such bitterness and resentment over people doing something they want to do. Is that where we’re at?

What some people want to do is go inside a bar, listen to a DJ, and dance till 6am. So how is sitting in the gutter like a prostitute, shivering in a hat and gloves, doing what you want?

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George Carmody
George Carmody
4 years ago

I love how the coppers feel the need to ‘police’ peaceful crowds. Pity they don’t have the same urge when it comes to burglary. Notice too the Telegraph’s insinuating description as ‘revellers’ of law-abiding customers sitting at tables.

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Amari
Amari
4 years ago
Reply to  George Carmody

And how the coppers seem so stressed out at having to ‘police’ peaceful crowds.Good to know that there is so little rape, murder, robbery and violent assaults in the UK that the police get stressed out by coronavirus regulations.

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smithey
smithey
4 years ago

Furious pub landlord yells ‘get out of my pub’ to Sir Keir Starmer on visit to Bath (msn.com)

Hopefully the start of lots more to come!

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

Most MPs have been hiding from their constituents for the last year under cover of the Coronavirus lockdown rules. When they start meeting their constituents face to face again I think they are going to get quite a shock about how angry many of us are. At them.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

HOPE SO.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I can’t wait to see mine. But I think he knows enough to avoid my address as it’s attached to the several letters I’ve written demanding action.

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court
court
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

Mine ran into my small close of 7 houses leafleting, missed my house completely and was out the road by the time I got to the door

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A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

a pity his business partner is a pussy.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Omg! Such a 90s thing to say! 😂

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

Loved it, and over on social media, it’s all love for Rod, (bar the odd hater). I doubt they’ll ever be without customers again.

I sympathise. I had hoped that once he was in, we’d see better. But the fact is that he made Corbyn look like a adjutant. It’s like he’s been tranquillised for the last year. Maybe they forgot to put him on to charge. I don’t know. I suppose having Blair meddling can’t have done him much good, either.

Nevertheless, when you consider his former career and his Jewish family connections, you’d think he’d be less spineless. That his own history might give him moral fortitude. Maybe consider that as a lawyer there is an expectation that he not assist in the oppression of the fundamental human rights of his fellow citizens. That when people talk of Nuremberg Laws, it might ring a bell. Instead, he supinely steps back and only steps forward to enable to government.

He doesn’t have a bigger majority (sad face). It wouldn’t matter what he did, (sad face). Anyone would think he hadn’t had charge of an organisation dependant on the individual bravery of victims of crimes to step up and be witnesses, in trials whose end game IS to protect society.

Finally I understand why despite increasing understanding of consent, we see so few rape and sexual assault convictions, and the streets have become an even more dangerous place for young women than they were under the 1980-90s Conservatives. Keir Starmer has the curious distinction of being the man who made me regret the loss of Jeremy Corbyn from public life.

I will never vote Labour again. Because a vote for Labour is a vote for the Conservatives.

Last edited 4 years ago by WeAllFallDown
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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

A vote for the Con men or a vote for the Lab rats- same difference, you end up with totalitarian pigswill.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Frightening. We are heading for the time when there will be no elections.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

“The creatures outside looked from Conservative to Labour and from Labour to Conservative and from Conservative to Labour again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

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scuzbert
scuzbert
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

‘Maybe they forgot to put him on to charge.’ 😂😂

Your last paragraph is spot on. Given that Labour and Cons are now ‘two cheeks of the same a**e’ people really need to be brave when next deciding where to put their cross, and stop voting for either of the cheeks.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

This guy is a legend. Typical that the article wastes no time in side-lining his views, instead choosing to attempt damage limitation by focussing on his pathetic business partner’s virtue signalling.

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zners
zners
4 years ago

They’re already talking about Indian variants so get ready

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

“There be Injun(variant)s in them thar hills”. In which case Lincolnshite will be fine, (again).

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Yep, funny how one can have an Indian variant but mustn’t talk about a Chinese virus!

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

Also funny that the areas supposedly most affected over the last year (+) are where lots of people with Indian backgrounds live (Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford, Manchester)….

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  zners

You wait, they are gearing up for the Pakistani variant and then they can blame Muslims and divide everyone that way. They already tried to blame Muslims last year by making out that large extended families were disease vectors.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

They’re determined to have us herded, covid or no covid

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manav95
manav95
4 years ago

How about reopen fully and rely on the patrons to defend their institutions? A good old fashioned pub fight with some coppers will certainly change their minds about the ease of enforcing Covid rules on pubs. Y’all Brits need to stand up, perhaps violently, like we have in America to this tyranny and not submit, not go gently into that quiet goodnight.

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The Dark Lord
The Dark Lord
4 years ago

I guess they are no longer LEO’s (Law Enforcement Officers) but GEO’s (Guideline Enforcement Officers) …

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago

“Look! Someone’s doing something! Judge them! Hate them!”

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago

“ making it difficult for police to enforce social distancing guidelines. ”

Why on earth are the Police enforcing guidelines?! They have enough on their plates enforcing the law. Anti-social distancing is not the law!!!

The Government produce many guidelines for my own good and that if the NHS eg I should eat five fruit and veg a day (or is it 7 or 10 now). Prob would save more lives than not hugging a tipsy stranger, but the Police don’t take it upon themselves to come and arrest for me for not bothering to roast an f-ing aubergine today do they. Well not yet anyway…

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago

The Wooden Tops don’t seem to have a lot of common sense (what a surprise). When we were let out of our prisons last summer, the South West was visited by hordes of tourists from the rest of the UK; without masks and not a lot of social distancing either. Was there a consequent massive outbreak of this mild respiratory virus, was there hell? So why even bother to ‘police’ these guidelines; they’re irelevant to the spread of the virus, unless you’re virtue signalling? Exactly the same virtue signallers as the local government numpties who decided to ruin childrens’ education even more by making them take LF tests and make them wear masks.
We are being ‘governed’ by a totally incompetent bunch of ignorant dick heads. And the worst thing is the alternatives in our ‘democratic’ system are no better. Grrrrrr…..

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