Remembrance Sunday Cancelled
It’s Remembrance Sunday today, but Covid restrictions mean only 25 sailors and marines will be taking part in the Whitehall parade. The MailOnline has more.
Cancelled events and health fears mean many of those who served in the Armed Forces can’t mark Remembrance Sunday in their usual way, but veterans have urged the public to “take a few minutes” to pause and reflect. And Government officials have insisted plans to mark the Cenotaph’s centenary “will be announced in due course”.
The ex-head of the Royal Navy Lord West has told the Telegraph that war heroes face catching pneumonia if they’re forced to stand outside churches today and not allowed in.
Lord West of Spithead, the former First Sea Lord, said it was “extraordinary” that veterans were being made to commemorate fallen comrades “in the freezing cold” this Sunday after ministers made going to church a criminal offence with a minimum £200 fine.
Other military leaders also spoke out against the ban on Remembrance Sunday services.
Lord Dannatt, the former head of the Army, urged a rethink and called on the Government to make an exception for Remembrance Sunday.
Major General Julian Thompson, who was British land commander during the Falklands War, described the ban by “panicking” ministers as “absolutely ridiculous”.
Former Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon turned on the Government for refusing to trust veterans to keep their social distance inside a church having previously trusted them to fight in wars to protect the country.
And the Royal British Legion is set to lose out on millions of pounds in Poppy Appeal donations after coronavirus caused in-person collections to be halted for the first time in 99 years. The MailOnline has more on that story.
Charles Byrne, Director-General of the charity, said lockdown restrictions mean that for the first time in the organisation’s 99-year history, in-person fundraising has been cancelled on the streets.
The move came into effect on Thursday – the first day of the new corona rules – but poppies remain available at some supermarkets and donations can be made online.
Many poppy sellers for the Royal British Legion, which raises more than £50million a year during the three-week period of the appeal (Oct 22nd-Nov 11th), are elderly, and the charity is keen to ensure they are protected from the virus.
Mr Byrne said: “This will be the first time in the history of the Poppy Appeal that our volunteers will be unable to carry out face-to-face collections anywhere across the UK.
“The loss of that activity could run into millions of pounds in fundraising which means online donations are crucial, and so we’re asking people to support the Poppy Appeal by donating via the Legion’s website.
“Every poppy counts so whether you choose to print off a downloadable poppy from the Legion’s website or draw your own, we are calling on everyone across the nations to unite in a UK-wide show of support from home, display a poppy in their window in time for Remembrance Sunday and pay tribute to our Armed Forces community.”
You can donate to the Poppy Appeal here.
Is Biden’s Win Bad News For Sceptics?
My biggest worry in the run up to the Presidential election was that Trump would be punished by the American electorate for not doing more to prevent people dying of COVID-19. Had Biden won a resounding victory, as he was widely expected to do, it would have sent a message to democratically elected leaders across the world: If you don’t prioritise minimising Covid deaths, even if the measures you put in place end up causing a greater loss of life than they prevent, you will be slung out of office by the voters. But thankfully Biden won by a whisker, not a landslide. Given that this was in part a contest about how best to manage the pandemic, the result shows that the US electorate are split down the middle on the issue. Trump’s approach, which broadly reflects that set out in the Great Barrington Declaration, may not have won the day, but it wasn’t decisively rejected either. And it’s clear that the American people are much more sceptical now than they were back in March, when there was broad public support for the shut downs.
We’re winning the argument.
Is the NHS’s Lack of Capacity a Manpower Problem?
A reader has emailed me with an interesting question.
In keeping with your retweet of the thread by Ed Conway on transparency today I was struck by an email to Liam Halligan and Allison Pearson related on their Planet Normal podcast this week.
An NHS worker wrote in to Planet Normal to highlight the fact that the organisation has implemented a Covid risk profile tier system across its 1.4 million strong workforce whereby for instance an obese worker is classed as being in a high risk tier and is being allowed to stay at home on full pay (why not 80% as per furlough?). This policy puts pressure on the workers who are deemed low risk to carry the extra load as well as leading to lots of additional agency staff being employed at higher cost.
Furthermore, the implications of this policy are staggering – we have been locked down to protect the NHS again yet it seems privately the NHS is doing a very good job of protecting itself.
In terms of transparency, is the real reason for Lockdown 2.0 not the familiar bed capacity measure but rather the sheer number of staff classed as being too at risk on the NHS internal tier system? Do we have a Human Resources problem not a medical problem? Why is this not big news?
In addition, isn’t the NHS the perfect model to test the hypothesis of Dr Mike Yeadon on community immunity thresholds?
Given nurses and doctors have continued to provide care in the first instance with a highly publicised lack of PPE, shouldn’t we be allowed to see a detailed statistical analysis of outcomes? Under the notorious Ferguson model we would expect to have seen 12,600 deaths (1.4 million x an IFR of 0.9%) among health care workers since March. What are the actual figures for Covid deaths on the NHS payroll? (As of August 11th, 620 NHS staff and social care worker deaths had been linked to coronavirus.) How do Covid deaths of NHS workers compare with the wider working community, e.g. versus frontline workers in food supply chains and civil servants who have been able to work from the comfortable isolation of their own homes since March? Is this data even available and if so why not when so much of our tax money is swallowed by this institution, and once more we are all being asked to make the sacrifice of lockdown in the name of protecting this national treasure/religion! Clap for data?
I’m sure brighter minds are aware of these issues and asking the right questions. But having mentioned these ideas to a few friends, coworkers and family in the past 24 hours this seems to be a potential light bulb set of arguments.
SAGE Wants to Move Christmas to Next Summer
According to the Express, the Government’s team of scientific advisers want Britons to postpone their Christmas celebrations until the summer.
With just seven weeks to go until the festive season comes around, Sage wants millions of people to scrap plans for family gatherings – and instead arrange to see their loved ones next summer.
But they said if people do opt for a large celebration including extended family members they should be prepared to “self-quarantine” over the New Year period.
The advice was laid out in documents released on Friday, a day after England went into its second nationwide lockdown.
The documents, which were sent to Cabinet ministers, read: “Whenever announcing that a particular form of social interaction needs to be avoided, then actively propose and support less risky forms of mixing.
“These could include carrying out the activity at a later date e.g. planning a summer family get together to replace meeting at Christmas.
“If people find it emotionally or practically impossible to avoid making contact with someone outside their household then they should be encouraged to make meeting that person as safe as possible.
“For example, by self-quarantining before meeting (reducing contact with other people as far as possible for 14 days) and avoiding close and prolonged contact when meeting.”
The advice was contained in a document entitled “Positive strategies for sustaining adherence to infection control behaviours”.
Not really worth reading, let alone in full.
Does the Mink Outbreak Invalidate the Vaccine Strategy?
What follows is a guest post by Professor David Livermore, Professor of Medical Microbiology at the University of East Anglia.
Yesterday’s papers carried the story of a new SARS-CoV2 variant circulating in Danish mink, which presumably caught it from their keepers. It has now spread back, in mutated form, to humans. Evidently this is causing concern, with a swift UK travel ban apropos Denmark, without the usual exemptions.
One can see why. From the Statens Serum Institut press release, via Google Translate:
A specific virus from cluster 5 has been detected with four simultaneous changes in the genes for the Spike protein in five North Jutland mink farms and in 12 patient samples. Of these, four people were directly connected to three of these farms.
To those skilled in the art, SSI may report that viruses have had the following changes in amino acids: H69del / V70del, Y453F, I692V and M1229I. Information on all variants will be uploaded in the international system GISAID.
Preliminary studies suggest that this virus from cluster 5 exhibits decreased susceptibility to antibodies from more individuals with past infection compared to non-mutated virus. This has been demonstrated in laboratory experiments, where it is seen that the particular mink virus is not inhibited to the same degree by antibodies from humans who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 compared to other non-mutated SARS-CoV-2 viruses. Studies are currently underway that will further uncover the issue.
This is important because practically all the vaccines in development, including the front-running Moderna, Pfizer, AZ and J&J candidates are directed against this Spike protein. Rare exceptions are a few whole-killed-virus vaccines being investigated in China and India.
The response to natural COVID-19 infection, including the more persistent T-cell response, on the other hand, is not purely directed against the Spike protein but also gives reactivity against other components, specifically the Nucleoprotein.
A fortnight ago I had a deal of flak, in media interviews, from those who said herd immunity wouldn’t work after an Imperial study reported circulating antibody levels dwindled over time. There were good arguments against that assertion at the time – that it’s what you expect circulating immunoglobulins to do post infection, that the T-cell response remained, and that the ‘immune memory’ persisted, enabling manufacture of more antibodies under challenge.
Harder to refute was the argument that the awaited vaccine would give a stronger immune response than natural infection, as shown in Phase I trials.
The mink results weaken this argument considerably. A weaker broad-based response from natural infection may be more protective than a strong response specifically to the Spike protein if virus with an altered Spike enters wide circulation.
With travel restrictions and mink culls, there clearly is a massive effort to stop this from happening. This effort may succeed or fail. What is however revealed is that the Spike protein is prone to consequential change. And if it has happened once, my experience (from a lifetime of working on antibiotic resistance in bacteria, which are far less mutable than RNA viruses) is that it’ll happen again, likely without mink as a vector.
For the absence of doubt: I am not anti-vaccine. I believe that vaccines will play a useful role in reducing the burden of COVID-19 and will almost certainly consent to being vaccinated, based upon a simple calculation of personal risk. I even volunteered for the AZ trial, but wasn’t ‘called-up’.
However, these findings make a further salutary point against the notion that a vaccine is going reliably to rescue us all and that we should wait, taking the massive collateral damage of repeated lockdowns, until one does. It is wiser to accept that we must face the long adaption to ‘living with this virus’, hoping that vaccines will give a boost to naturally acquired immunity, but not counting on them. Vaccine developers might also like to ponder whether putting all bets on one target is prudent…
I got back to Prof Livermore and asked him to clarify something for me. Why does the existence of this new mink strain, and the possibility of other mutations arising from human interaction with other species, invalidate the suppress-until-a-vaccine-is-available strategy but not the GDB strategy? The SSI press release he quotes suggests that antibodies in humans who’ve been infected with SARS-CoV-2 don’t provide much protection from the new strain. Yet Prof Livermore says the body’s response to natural COVID-19 infection would provide better all-round protection than a vaccine specifically designed to immunise people against the Spike protein. How does he reconcile those two things? He replied:
Anything that changes the virus so that it evades some component of the immune system isn’t good news. However:
Vaccines – almost all, except some Chinese & Indian candidates, seek to elicit a response solely to the Spike protein. If that target changes, as in the mink variant, they have a problem. They aren’t hitting anything else.
Natural infection, as will occur if following a GBD strategy – gives a range of differently-targeted antibodies and T-cells. Some recognise the Spike protein and some the nucleoprotein or membrane proteins. Those with other targets rather than the Spike protein will remain fully active against the mutant virus. Loss of the Spike as a target will, very likely, weaken the overall response but, unlike with the vaccine, some protection remains from antibodies and T-cells that target non-Spike components.
Only clinical experience will finally clarify the picture but this does argue that broader, infection-induced responses have a better chance of protecting against virus variants than an Spike-protein targeted vaccine. The SSI press release doesn’t give us enough information on just how the testing was done, and whether they were looking at total response or specifically at Spike-targeted antibodies. They certainly didn’t look at T-cell-mediated immunity.
Stop Press: Coronavirus has been found in mink populations in six other countries, so the Danish travel restrictions are unlikely to contain the new strain of the virus.
Vaccine Tsar’s £670,000 PR bill
The Sunday Times has a story on its front page today about Kate Bingham, the head of the UK’s vaccine task force, spending £670,000 of taxpayers’ money on a team of boutique public relations consultants.
Kate Bingham, a venture capitalist married to Jesse Norman, a Conservative Minister, was appointed to the role by Boris Johnson.
Since June she has used eight full-time consultants from Admiral Associates, a London PR agency, to oversee her media strategy.
According to leaked documents, she has already spent £500,000 on the team, which is contracted until the end of the year. It means each consultant is on the equivalent of £167,000 a year – more than the Prime Minister’s salary.
Bingham, 55, is said to have “insisted” on hiring them despite concerns they would duplicate the work of about 100 communications staff at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS), in which her taskforce sits.
The decision was signed off by civil servants, not Alok Sharma, the business secretary.
This revelation follows last week’s story in the Sunday Times that Bingham had disclosed sensitive information about Britain’s vaccine efforts at a $200-a-head event for US venture capitalists.
During an hour-long talk to the financiers, she had given some of the most detailed insight to date about the UK’s immunisation programme, including confidential data about the government’s investment priorities.
But Bingham used her appearance before the Science and Health Select Committee at the House of Commons on Wednesday to deny any wrongdoing.
Asked whether she had disclosed anything that was not in the public domain, she said: “No. And there have been a lot of nonsense reports, and inaccurate, and I’m afraid to say irresponsible, reports suggesting that I did,” she told Greg Clark, the Tunbridge Wells MP. Her account is understood to have been met with scepticism in Downing Street.
Today, new evidence makes the questions more urgent still. In February, Bingham is due to appear at another elite function: a conference hosted by Biocom, a Californian biotech firm, charging $2,460 (£1,870) a ticket to bring together “executives, bankers [and] venture capitalists”. It promises networking that will “be fruitful for your business ventures this year and for many years to come”.
In brochures, Bingham is advertised solely as head of the UK vaccine taskforce and the literature says she will discuss her work “to find and manufacture a Covid-19 vaccine”.
During her talk to venture capitalists last month, Bingham showed guests a confidential list of 51 vaccines in development. Of these, Bingham told guests, officials had marked 14 as priority one, meaning they expect to place orders worth hundreds of millions of pounds. “We haven’t necessarily signed contracts with all of them so far, but they’re all in our sights,” she said, pointing to a slide in which the relevant treatments were split into blue, representing priority one, or purple, priority two.
For those present this was sensitive information they could use to make investments of their own. Bingham even showed the estimated price of vaccines per dose, based on an analysis prepared by Rx Securities, an investment bank.
It’s not looking good for Bingham.
Worth reading in full.
Teachers Disagree With Unions Over School Closures
According to Teacher Tapp, just 39% of teachers believe schools should close during the November lockdown, while 46% think they should remain open. The Telegraph has more.
Over 6,000 teachers were asked whether they agree with the Government’s plan to keep children in the classroom during the national shut down.
Headteachers were more likely to back schools staying open, with 69% in favour compared to 42% of classroom teachers.
The Prime Minister has insisted that schools will remain open throughout the November lockdown, saying: “We will not allow this virus to do any further damage to the future of our children.”
But the National Education Union (NEU) has demanded that schools close as they claim both staff and students are at risk.
The union is lobbying MPs for schools to be included in the lockdown, arguing that their analysis of data from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) “confirms the role of schools in the transmission of the virus”.
The teaching unions have not had a good crisis. Let’s hope their members wake up to the fact that they care more about scoring political points than children’s welfare.
Worth reading in full.
Manchester Student Fence Was Erected to “Protect” Them
A reader has pointed out the remarkable similarity in the claim made by Manchester University’s Vice-Chancellor about the fence that was built around the Fallowfield halls of residence – it was built to “protect” students from non-university visitors – and the excuse made by the East German authorities for building the Berlin Wall.
The GDR authorities called the barrier the “Antifaschistischer Schutzwall” (“Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart”) and claimed that it served to keep fascists away from East Germany.
“No one should think we are in love with the Wall; that is by no means the case… The anti-fascist protective rampart was necessary to stand up to the military adventurers,” East German leader Walter Ulbrecht said in a speech shortly after the Wall’s erection.
Britain under Boris is becoming a Lidl version of the GDR.
Londoners Flout Lockdown
People weren’t paying much attention to the new lockdown restrictions yesterday. On the contrary, the capital looked much like it does on a normal Saturday. The MailOnline has more.
Britons flouted lockdown in their hundreds of thousands in London today as a market was packed with visitors helping themselves to takeaway beer on the first weekend of new coronavirus lockdown restrictions.
Londoners flocked to Broadway Market for drinks and food this afternoon, despite the new guidance to stay at home as much as possible.
People were pictured queuing up for pints outside street food restaurants and packing the streets, with many not wearing face masks.
Takeaway alcohol were originally going to be banned under the new lockdown restrictions but a Government U-turn allowed pubs, bars and hospitality venues to serve them.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Sun says it was the same story in England’s parks, markets and seafronts, which were all packed on Saturday.
More on Army Testing at Liverpool School
A reader has got in touch to flag up some of the problems with the Army-administered, whole-school testing that’s due to take place at Broadgreen international School in Liverpool on Monday (see here for the letter parents received about this on Friday).
The letter from the school and the Army testing within school appears to breach child protection requirements.
A school cannot have outsiders working with children without school staff supervising unless the school has completed its own DBS checks on those coming in (even then, it is not good practice for outsiders to be given access to children without school staff supervision – this is to protect both the adult from unfounded allegations and the child). From the letter, it is not clear that this would be covered.
Broadgreen School is rated by Ofsted as inadequate, including inadequate leadership and management. It currently appears to be in special measures. See here for the latest full Ofsted report and here for a more recent monitoring letter.
It is disturbing that the Government feels it is acceptable to use a school in such dire straits to trial a test programme.
Hunt For Downing Street’s “Chatty Rat”
As Fraser Nelson reminded us in his Telegraph column on Friday, Boris was bounced into a second lockdown by a leak. He originally wanted to spend last weekend mulling over the decision about whether to impose a second lockdown, but was forced to adopt the policy after someone in Downing Street leaked the plan to the press. Now, according to today’s Mail on Sunday front page, the mole hunt is underway as security experts entered the homes of Cabinet Ministers to examine their personal mobile phones.
Senior figures, including Matt Hancock and Michael Gove, were told to surrender their phones as No 10 hunted for the mole whose secret briefings forced the Prime Minister to make an early announcement of the new lockdown.
In the bid to unmask the “chatty rat”, as Government sources have dubbed him in the Cabinet.
The Ministers’ personal messages were examined under the investigation, ordered by a furious Mr Johnson after he was rushed into announcing the English lockdown at a hastily convened press conference last Saturday.
Hawks believe that pro-lockdown ‘doves’ leaked details of the so-called ‘quad’ meeting of Johnson, Sunak, Gove and Hancock the previous day to stop the Prime Minister from watering down the shutdown plans.
It also led to the rushed presentation of dubious predictions, with the projection of up to 4,000 Covid deaths a day by Christmas comprehensively discredited in the days after it was revealed to millions of television viewers.
Last night, Health Secretary Mr Hancock categorically denied any involvement in the leak, but declined to comment on the investigation.
Mr Gove’s allies said the Cabinet Office Minister and his advisers were happy to hand over their phones because they had “nothing to hide”. Anti-lockdown Tory rebels, led by former party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith, called for the mole to apologise personally to the Commons if caught.
Worth reading in full.
500 Scientists, Doctors and Academics Tell Boris Covid Risk Exaggerated
The children and parents’ campaign group UsForThem and the new anti-lockdown group Recovery organised a joint letter to the Prime Minister yesterday signed by a coalition of almost 500 senior doctors and scientists. The Telegraph has more.
In a joint letter to Boris Johnson, the medics and academics say the Government’s approach to the pandemic has become “disproportionate” and is “causing more harm than good”.
They warn that mass testing is “distorting the current risk” from the virus, with tests likely to be producing high numbers of “false positive” results and providing a poor indication of whether someone is infectious, and say the Government must do more to place increasing infection and deaths “in the context of the normal seasonal illness/death rate”.
The intervention comes as the Archbishop of York, the Rt Rev Stephen Cottrell, warned in the Telegraph that worship is not a “leisure pursuit”, urging the Government not to treat churches “like bingo halls and cinemas” amid criticism of the ban on congregational services brought in by lockdown.
Mr Johnson is understood to be considering plans pushed by Robert Jenrick, the Communities Secretary, for a “review point” next week after which places of worship could reopen for communal prayer if infection data suggests the move would not lead to a significant rise in Covid cases.
The open letter to the Prime Minister was signed by 469 medics and scientists including Ellen Townsend, a professor of psychology at Nottingham University, David Paton, an economics professor, and a series of senior medics including Anthony Hinton, Lasantha Wijesinghe, and Paul Sanderson, consultant surgeons in London, Dorset and Newcastle.
Worth reading in full.
Help Pay For Helene Guldberg’s Cancer Operation
Helene Guldberg requires surgery urgently to remove her bladder. Cancer was diagnosed two years ago but her doctors believed that chemotherapy would be sufficient. It wasn’t. In May of this year – during the lockdown – abnormal cells were again identified and Helene has had an agonising six months of delays in her cancer treatment. She has been advised that the NHS do not have the capacity to operate on her until January 2021 due to the coronavirus. Helene simply cannot wait that long. Every doctor Helene has consulted has said the same thing: “Time is of the essence.”
Even finding a private hospital which has the capacity to treat her has proved very difficult. But Helene has finally found one – The Royal Marsden in London. She is scheduled to undergo surgery on November 23rd.
Please contribute to this fundraiser to help her pay for the treatment the NHS can’t provide.
The Lockdown Archipelago
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
Round-Up
- “Mr President, I have a Mr Johnson on the line… will you accept the call?” – The Sunday Times‘s Tim Shipman reveals that a member of Biden’s campaign team has accused Johnson of making “racist comments” in the past, compared Britain’s immigration policies to Trump’s and criticised British ministers’ stance towards Black Lives Matter
- Collateral Global – This is the website Lockdown Sceptics have been waiting for – an audit of all the collateral damage caused by the lockdowns
- “CRUCIAL Viral Update! *The Bottom Lines on this Issue* UK Revelations a Plenty!” – Latest update from Ivor Cummins
- “Liberté! An open letter by 200 French lawyers protesting against lockdown” – A heartfelt plea to President Macron to lift the lockdown in France
- “How a full-scale lockdown rebellion by Tory MPs was called off” – Good piece in the Guardian about the machinations Number 10 used to browbeat the new intake of Tory MPs into voting with the Government on Wednesday
- “Lockdown socialism has ushered in a dangerous new approach to the state” – Dan Hannan says the spiralling cost of the Covid response is inuring us to the true scale of what is happening
- Police Clamp Down on Million Mask March – Watch the TSG over-react to anti-lockdown protestors marching through London on Thursday night
- “We are being TERRIFIED into obeying by these Orwellian announcements” – Annabelle Sanderson in the Express on SAGE’s dodgy dossier
- “Lockdown sceptics give scepticism a bad name” – Dr Simon Clarke strikes again in the Spectator with his most infantile, personal attack yet. You know you’re over the target when you start taking flak.
- “The Mystery of Taiwan” – Amelia Janaskie on what Taiwan got right in the AIER blog
- “Thousands protest lockdown in Leipzig” – Thousands of people gathered in the German city of Lepizig to protest new lockdown restrictions
- “In pictures – Stroud Freedom Rally” – Gloucestershire Live has some pictures from yesterdays freedom rally in Stratford Park, Stroud
- “More experts say peak of second wave ‘has already PASSED’” – Professor Tim Spector, from King’s College London, said yesterday that the data suggested the second wave had ‘peaked’, while Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter said it was clear that the worst hit areas were seeing infections fall
- “Vitamin D to be delivered to millions of vulnerable people to help protect them from Covid” – Ministers are drawing up plans for four-month supplies to go to care home residents
- “I’m A Celebrity ‘thrown into chaos as A.J. Pritchard tests POSITIVE for COVID-19 eight days before the new series begins’” – The former Strictly star, 26, had a routine test along with the other contestants ahead of the new series, which stars on Sunday November 15th, and was found to be positive
- “We’re not going to take it any more” – Richard Littlejohn echoes Peter Finch in Network in the Mail
- “Nightingale hospitals grounded by staff shortage” – The Sunday Times reveals that England’s seven Nightingale hospitals cost £220 million to build and have so far only treated 200 people
- “Was the virus engineered?” – Peter Franklin in UnHerd says there no longer seems to be the same consensus within the scientific community that the virus wasn’t made in a lab
- “Helena Morrissey: A CEO Wouldn’t Get Away With This” – Helena Morrissey says a FTSE CEO announcing a major change in strategy would need better evidence than Boris produced last Saturday, as well as a full impact assessment
- “Coronavirus Fact-Check #8: ‘New daily cases’ and the second wave” – Off-Guardian is sceptical about the ‘second wave’
- “The revolt against lockdown” – The editors of Spiked take comfort from the fact that students and young people protested on the first night of Lockdown 2.0
- “The infantilism of locking down to ‘save Christmas’” – Rod Liddle doesn’t have much time for Lockdown 2.0 in the Spectator
- “Universities are a criminal enterprise” – Hard-hitting piece by Laura Perrins in the Conservative Woman
- “Covid has proved China right about the weakness of the West” – Iain Duncan Smith in the Telegraph says the failure of liberal democracies to cope with the virus is a gift to the Communist Party of China
- “The Autopsy Is on Life Support” – Slate reveals that the number of autopsies has declined dramatically over the past few years, but autopsies are crucial to understanding COVID-19
- Psychology Counts – Open letter written by a group of psychologists about the psychological harm caused by lockdowns. Anyone can sign
- “Smoking Gun: Fauci States COVID Test Has Fatal Flaw; Confession From the ‘Beloved’ Expert of Experts” – Jon Rapppoport writing on LeeRockwell.com has discovered a podcast in which Anthony Fauci says that the PRC test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher”. In the UK, it’s typically run at 45 cycles
- “Testing Slovakia” – Good blog post by Skepteco on the recent attempt to test the entire population of Slovakia in one weekend
- “NHS output stays low” – John Redwood, one of the Conservative MPs who voted against Lockdown 2.0, has written a blog post about the fact that the NHS is still not providing an adequate service to non-Covid patients
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Moonshine Sally” by Mud, “Alive and Kicking” by Simple Minds and “Symphony of Destruction” by Megadeth.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, it’s the turn of the Imperial War Museum which is reviewing Churchill’s legacy and his views on “sensitive topics” in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests. The Telegraph has more.
Internal documents, seen by the newspaper, reveal discussions are taking place at the institution, which is home to the Churchill War Rooms complex where Britain’s wartime leader directed our country’s fight against Nazi Germany.
Senior staff called for a fresh look at “Churchill’s views” in relation to “sensitive topics” as his usually revered reputation came under scrutiny this summer as marches on Parliament Square resulted in his statue being defaced with graffiti claiming he “was a racist”.
Last night the institution said that while it is always considering “complex subject matter”, it had no current plans to reinterpret his legacy. Work is ongoing, it is understood.
Curators began discussions in the days after Churchill’s statue on Parliament Square was defaced by protesters, which was sparked by Black Lives Matter supporters marching on London.
“We must continue to have conversations around sensitive and difficult issues,” Museum staff were told in an email. “We must have conversations in which we reflect upon and examine our own biases and preconceptions.”
Other emails, obtained under freedom of information laws, show staff explicitly discuss Churchill. One said: “We should chat further about how we can look at Churchill’s views re: tackling sensitive topics too.
“This is one I’m very keen to get ahead of.”
Campaigners have criticised Churchill on topics including racism, colonialism, and his handling of the Bengal Famine which left millions dead, much to the dismay of his supporters.
The debate over the former Prime Minister’s views comes amid widespread reappraisal of Britain’s revered historical figures, including Admiral Lord Nelson, after the statue of Edward Colston was toppled in Bristol.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Tim Parker, Chair of the National Trust, has praised Black Lives Matter as a “human rights movement with no party-political affiliations”. This was days before BLM applied to the Electoral Commission to register as a political party.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Censorship: A group of American researchers have withdrawn their paper claiming mandatory masking reduces SARS-CoV-2 transmission after further research revealed that… it didn’t. Details here.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 650,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: Professor Sunetra Gupta sets out the case for “Focused Protection” in a YouTube video for Co-Immunity.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
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Well done!
Veteran assaulted by police on Remembrance Sunday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3iXXZTjF2E
Please Watch & Share – Game Over
A National Disgrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZV7tIq-ph0
Interesting. Police in masks cannot be identified! Watch how they are filming themselves. Why? To make arrests via facial recognition? What is going on?!
If people want to actually do something useful please email the head of the Liverpool school that is proposing to have the army test pupils for coronavirus without parental consent.
The people carrying out these unethical and illegal actions have names and (email) addresses and we need to advise them.
Non medically qualified squaddies shoving stuff up the nose of kids without informed consent is assault. Law and medical ethics do not get thrown out of the window because covid.
Please send a short, polite email to the head. It might make her stop and think whether she could be liable.
enquiries@BroadgreenInternationalSchool.com
They cannot do this it must violate the ECHR another reason to rid ourselves of the LibLabConSNP and create a written constitution
This is a potential minefield as it covers three different age groups.
The youngest age but largest group are 11-15 year olds
The middle group are 16/17 year olds
The oldest group are the few 18 year olds in the final year.
Starting with the smallest group, as these are adults they don’t need any involvement of their parents and can consent/decline as they wish.
The middle group are deemed to have capacity and can consent if they wish, this cannot be overruled by their parents. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/children/.
It is the youngest group that causes the biggest headache. Under the mental capacity act they are deemed NOT to have capacity to consent/decline. The next step has to be undertaken on an individual basis. Each child has to be assessed as to whether they are “Gillick” competent. This involves ensuring that they understand the procedure, able to retain the information and understand the risks. If the answer to all of these questions is yes then they can consent or decline, however this could be overruled by a person with parental responsibility.
If the answer to any question is no then a person with parental responsibility MUST be asked.
The government has said a parent, carer or legal guardian would have to be present for a Covid-19 test to take place under the powers given to Public Health England in the Coronavirus Act. It adds that the act doesn’t give the authorities the power to detain a child for 14 days without their parents’ knowledge or permission and that it’s most likely that a child would be asked to self-isolate for 14 days at home with their family if they did not voluntarily comply with public health advice, but if this is not possible, other avenues would be discussed. From https://fullfact.org/online/children-coronavirus-act/
It’s plainly obvious to anyone with a brain cell it’s immoral and against the very core of what human rights stand for.
Lawyers should place an injunction on such proposals immediately.
Further to my earlier comment.
Consent can never be inferred as in the email, it has to be explicitly stated consent or decline. If decline then that’s the end of the story, no test can be done as that would be assault and battery.
If consent then according to the test manufacturer
“This method is to be utilised as a screening test to identify samples from patients likely to have current SARS-CoV-2 infection.”
“This product is intended for use by professional users only, such as laboratory or health professionals and technicians, trained in molecular biological techniques. Individuals should be trained to perform the procedures in this booklet and analyse results by a competent user.“
“Testing for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA should be performed in an appropriately equipped facility and by trained staff.”
With regards to taking the swab, this is an in vitro sample taking like taking blood and should be undertaken by a healthcare professional (this includes trained non-registered personnel such as HCAs).
I can hear them say it’s only a nose swab and a throat swab.
My answer would be one of two questions
The throat is the top of the gastrointestinal tract would they be happy for an untrained person to probe other end of the GI tract?
The nose maybe on the face would the female staff consent for a cervical smear test taken by an untrained person?
There’s absolutely no difference.
Totally agree – what is this head thinking…. I would be very worried if my child was at a school with such a person in charge.
Memo to Toby. Biden has not won. The votes are not counted and many lawsuits are being filed. 2000 – Bush v Gore – was a dispute over one county in one state and Gore did not concede until Dec 13th . This dispute involves many counties in each of a number of states.The media don’t decide the election any more than the media tells us that there’s a need for a lockdown.
Give it up, it’s embarrassing.
Aye, I think he/she be whistling in the dark. Boring Joe got four million more votes, and counting, bain’t that be enough?
Probably being done more in desperation than hope, yes, but the total number of votes isn’t important
How do you explain all those votes for Joe when it was a disaster for all the other Democrats and Pelosi is fighting for survival?
Joe must have more charisma.
Yep – for Biden.
https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/1325138315964682246
Bill Gates.The eminent Public Health expert on virus
“I look forward to working with the new administration and leaders on both sides in Congress on getting the surging pandemic under control, engaging partners around the world on issues like poverty and climate change, and addressing issues of inequality and opportunity at home.”
Interesting contrast between the Conservative Boris Johnson and the left wing socialist president of Mexico Lopez Obrador
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1325133262075940864
“With regard to the US election, we are going to wait until all the legal matters have been resolved,” López Obrador, commonly known as Amlo, said at a news conference.
“I can’t congratulate one candidate or the other. I want to wait until the electoral process is over.”
Joe was probaably wondering why Al Johnson wasn’t singing Mammy in blackface.
Funny old world when the Latin American leader is the cool headed one lol.
Bill Gates, would-be president of the world.
What a p…k!
The smugness of the offhand put-down is siding with a mask of mind control against the fact.
Gallo announced his discovery of HIV to the Media – without any published study or peer review. His fraud has not been given the publicity given his ‘discovery’ of a novel virus.
When narrative control is given priority over the fact, the lie is enforced and imposed upon the living. This is the meaning of sin – and spiritual death is the hollowing out of Life to the demands and dictates of the mask.
You have your reward.
It looks like you’ve won the embarrassing vote and no recount required.
If I wanted to be popular, I wouldn’t be a sceptic. Now I’m unpopular amongst sceptics too. How will I cope?
For a self-titled skeptic you are awfully eager to swallow anything the media tells you.
Splendid performance Tom. I was aiming for the most thumbs down today but you beat me using just five words.
The Democrats learned the power of the postal vote. Learned from the Labour Party.
One state alone “dug up” 13000 votes registered to dead people.
All elections are simply who can rig the votes the most and this time the Democrats figures it out.
Joe Biden on TV admiring to the vote rigging.
Don’t worry Joe is on the case.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0
I don’t know if there has been more skulduggery than usual but I find it bizarre that you can “correct” your vote after having mailed it in.
“Hi, is that the voter centre? Yeah, cool, look, I mailed in a vote for Trump. Yes, honest I did. Yeah, my first vote was for Trump. But I want to change it. So can you knock one vote off Trump and add 1 to Biden please? Cool, thanks!”
Even here they have not managed that yet.
The voting machine system in use in 30 states. All swing states started “playing up” after the manufactures “uploaded an software update”
The night before.
You have to hand it to the brass neck of the people area using it. And the idiots who actually believe people would be daft enough to to vote for a guy with dementia to lead them!
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/georgia-election-machine-glitch-434065
Which state?
I think you can do this in Michigan and Wisconsin, two states that went for Biden on a knife edge.
Could be fake news, it’s getting increasingly difficult to tell. The MSM won’t publish this kind of information at all any more, even though it is either fact or not.
“Here is 1.3k names out of the long list of 14k dead people whose ballots were received. It has months of birth, you don’t need to guess it “
https://mobile.twitter.com/FcffAZ/status/1324561518084550657
US Covid policy would’ve been better under the Donald, but he lost and that’s clear so for god’s sake accept it
It’s not clear though, not by a long way.
Like it was so clear when he won? Or when we brexited?
The Brexit vote was called AFTER counting all the votes and settling all (if any) legal challenges.
As far as i know there have not been any calls for widespread election fraud during the 2016 election, at least none aimed at Trump. The only major complaint was of supposed Russian interference, swinging the popular opinion. As far as both parties were concerned, everyone got to vote correctly in 2016. But now there are claims of widespread election fraud and there seems to be quite a lot of evidence that points to impropriety.
What are you talking about? Those two events were beyond settled. They’re still counting the votes for this election and lawsuits are dropping on Monday. Stop reading the BBC or The Guardian if you’re not capable of critical thinking.
You listen to MSM, you have the infection!
How come it’s only rigged when you lose? Was it rigged when trump won, narrowly (not even the popular vote) and against the entire political and media establishment?
Or when we brexited? Narrowly and against the entire… you get the idea.
Do they sound like corrupt systems to you?
You’re just babies screaming when things don’t go your way.
No it wasn’t rigged for Brexit as has been demonstrated several times.
And it wasn’t even that close.
How come there were so many “glitches” found, and all in favour of Biden? Can you point to Trump suddenly getting 150,000 votes out of nowhere in any state, with Biden getting 0? Can you point to any software “glitch” taking votes from Biden and giving them to Trump? Can you point to Biden votes being found in the trash? Can you point to any electoral center blocking Biden campaign observers? Can you point to any electoral center where Trump made a miraculous resurgence blocking their windows so no one can see what they’re doing? And finally, can you point to any rule in the election process that was changed by Trump in the past month or two?
Does this sound like a corrupt system to you? As far as i’m concerned, anyone looking at this as claiming there is no need to look into it further is anti-democracy and pro voter disenfranchisement.
Mind Virus – Mark Windows.
Thank you for your verdict, we can all go home now.
He also won the second most votes in US history, which means he won’t be going out just yet. His influence will be evident. Also, the Reps performance in the Senate means they’ll be still somewhat happy with the result.
Back in the george bush days they rigged the vote with a new voting machine manufactured by a company with close political ties and the usual tried and tested techniques.
Huge lines From “broken” machines in areas where they know will vote for X.
The west’s voting system is just as corrupt as west Africa. Just we have a better PR team
The whole vote rigging was detailed in a book by a journalist at the time
Armed Madhouse: Undercover Dispatches from a Dying Regime
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0141018275
It’s not who votes that counts. It who counts the votes. – Joseph Stalin.
The UK system is not broken. Once the votes are received its not feasible that they are not correctly counted if the rules are followed and that can be observed by all parties. Postal vote fraud is possible but not after the vote is received.
Peterborough anyone
Tower hamlets
Yes but postal vote fraud is MASSIVE
Nearly always in labour controlled areas. As an ex landlord you want to see how many ballot papers arrived at the apartment block we owned.
Multiple papers with many “misspellings” of a common religious prophets name.
We would send the back to the council “not known at this address”
Back they came the next week…..
As we’ve seen in the US election, voter fraud is still possible after the vote is received. Either the vote is not counted properly, or safety features are ignored (signatures, etc), or votes arrive past closing time and they are backdated to make it seem like they arrived in time. All of these things have been uncovered during this election.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325135291791839232.html
That is quite the thread…
I agree Londo. If you don’t have a legal process for peacefully resolving disputes over the count, then you are living in a banana republic. The USA has credible processes, so let them play out.
If you can get past the online censorship you will find many concerning examples. One where after a computer “glitch” was supposedly discovered, thousands of votes were returned to Trump from Biden – but how many other “glitches” might’ve happened and not been corrected?
There are many other examples: dead voters, an on air moment when votes suddenly switched from Trump to Biden (significant as that was a live feed from the count computer and you saw Trump’s cumulative vote actually go down!), counting taking place away from the formal count area, count observers being denied access and the ability to observe the count, unprecedented failure of Biden voters to vote Democrats down the line (suggesting computer manipulation of the Presidential count), suspicious suspension of the count in swing states once it became clear how well Trump was doing and suspicious overnights appeatance of Biden votes overnight while the count was a supppsed to be suspended.
The US is not the UK. There has always been a history and culture of electoral malpractice, especially on the Democrat side.
If
A. You are the Good Guys.
B. The lie undermines the Bad Guys.
then
C. The lie replaces truth.
This is how lies corrupt the minds of those who MASK in virtue while protecting the mask of narrative identity against disclosure.
Truth is not affected by lies, but our capacity to recognise and align in truth – and therefore function, is.
The replacement of life with lies is delivering us to insanity, because we cannot and will not look within.Or allow anything of self-honesty to undermine our defence against the Bad Guys – who always were the necessary evil against which to set a mind apart, distanced, locked down and masked over.
Have you read Bion, Binra? Your posts remind me of his work.
Your posts are a highlight of this site for me.
What happened when Trump won then? They just ‘forgot’ to rig it? Or maybe they just didn’t rig it quite enough.
Help us out with the online censorship – cite some credible references for your claims.
Likeliest scenario is that they weren’t expecting quite so many people to vote for Trump, and they didn’t have everything in place to beat him. Also, at the time, a Trump win wasn’t seen as quite so dangerous. Everyone was expecting Trump to just be a meme and do an extremely poor job. But it turns out that, despite still being a meme, Trump actually did a lot of good. And what’s worse for the democrats, he showed that reducing taxation and reducing the size of government does lead to an increase in quality of life.
As such, this election was all or nothing for the democrats. If Trump wins again (especially if it was by a large margin) then he would continue to reduce taxation, bring jobs back to the US, reduce illegal immigration, and increase the quality of life. If all that were to happen, and there’s a good possibility of that, then the democratic party would be finished. It would be undeniable. They wouldn’t be able to blame Trump’s economy on Obama. They wouldn’t be able to say that people would be better off voting for them when the people already are much better off than under Obama. What’s more, Trump is starting to make gains in the culture war, and would erode away the social media and the mainstream corporate media base that runs propaganda campaigns for the democrats.
It doesn’t matter if you think this would have happened or not, or if it will happen or not. What matters is that it is within the realm of possibility, and the democrats could not afford to let it play out. This is why the voter fraud this year was so much more blatant and obvious: they couldn’t afford to be delicate about it.
Excepting that in effect the Media are being used to dictate narratives to which others then comply in – including captured ‘opposition’ that sets up a self-censored kettle for protest to make noise in.
Check out Steve Bannon’s latest site summarising all the issues with the result
https://populist.press/
The math article is intriguing.
Allegedly:
Election Summary Report for Gwinnet County, Georgia
Total Population: 936,250
Total Adult Population: 687,207
Total Registered Voters: 581,467
Total Ballots Cast?
811,836
Toby is a shill for not exposing this election fraud. His handlers are writing Boris’s script too.
He sits on the fence in fear of being labelled a conspiracy theorist. It might make sense because if you go too extreme your entire message can be discredited.
Biden is so charismatic that he got more votes than Barrack Obama? Hmmm.
Just ignore the lockdown
I see that with people
Roads are busy
Next door has people coming and going
Been keeping an eye on the next door neighbour have we?
John,
No I am not spying on them. From my front window I can see people coming and going.
Two days ago they had a big and I mean big firework display (the ones you have at a display!)
I mentioned to him 4-6 months that I have noticed people are coming and going AND I am NOT going to say anything to anyone.
He told me that he had been to peoples houses sometimes upto 15 in May!
He tells everyone and does not care.
Good on him
Had various deliveries yesterday. All said they are more than p1ssed off with things. Some working in spaces with 300 others. All said they are having big family Christmas parties. If proof were needed that no one is listening to Govt, scientists and others.
I fully intend to and support anyone who does in any way.
Biden hasn’t won yet. There are investigations ongoing and the Trump campaign is going to file lawsuits on Monday.
Agreed! This is going to go on for a while.
But Toby has to cover his arse.
Media delivered mind vaccines are safe and effective.
(sic)
Good, make my day. 80 million votes for Biden? I don’t think so.
Trump took a dig at Biden by calling himself the president with the highest number of LEGAL votes in history.
Is Biden’s Win Bad News For Sceptics?
I suspect not and this is why I think so.
During the last few years we have all been governed by populists whose only interest was to be popular in the media and especially the social media.
This is why Boris followed ‘the science’ because he is not smart enough to be able to challenge ‘the science” or the social media or anything else.
Donald followed the views of his mates at the golf club because he is too dim to look at the real facts and challenge ‘the science ‘ or anything else.
Joe Biden is another populist. He is kind of soft and squishy and popular but he again does not have the nous to think through issues and make decisions which are not popular, but immediately behind him is his VP Kamala.
Kamala Harris has an incisive, questioning mind and she is strong enough to question the political status quo, analyse the real situation, challenge the academics and make the right decisions which we clearly need.
She can think her way out of this pandemic nonsense and may also end up as President.
If so, I think she will make a good one.
Not sure how you think the pro-lockdown lunatic squad winning and the anti-lockdown skeptic losing would be a good thing for the anti-lockdown skeptics…
OK. Lets agree to disagree and wait until we see who moves into the white house in January.
The presidency has never been decided by the popular vote.
I understand that. But is it right that millions of people are disenfranchised when they are in the majority?
Yes. It is a fairer election system than the majority, because in a purely democratic system the majority can vote to oppress the minority. The electoral college tries to level the playing field between the states with large cities and the states with lots of farmland, because otherwise the farmers would never have a say at all.
But is it right to disenfranchise the entire country by meddling in the elections? By inventing hundreds of thousands of votes, all in favour on one candidate? By ignoring accusations of electoral fraud? Shouldn’t all these irregularities be investigated before declaring a winner? Isn’t ensuring the ideal of “one man one vote” by the highest priority?
Yay same for Brexit. Electoral college based on distance from Dover?
I am disenfranchised because my labour MP is so popular he would retain his seat if he stood for the Monster Raving Loony Party (second thoughts I might actually vote for him then).
I vote for The Blob. It will clean up the Westminster swamp.
Bob, abolish the Electoral College and Los Angeles County could control elections. How fair would that be to much of the rest of the country ? Personally, I’m okay with an amicable breakup. Been advocating for it for a decadel
New York, California, New Jersey. Take away their Biden votes and you have a Trump landslide.
Bob, their system is not different to ours. Every election here the government is formed by the people which the lowest “popular vote”
The vast majority of people in this country did not vote for the government. They voted for other parties or didn’t vote at all because they think that it really doesn’t matter who you vote for. The same shower of self serving, disingenuous sh!t€s will get in.
Yes whoever you vote for the government always gets in!
Well that’s often true.
The system and rules determine the way the votes are weighted.
The ability to rig the system, by changing rules or breaking them, is the ability to achieve a selection regardless the election.
It was created by the Founding Fathers for a reason. They were mostly legal men who understand mob rule and human nature. The process of confirming a president is also the same irrespective of landslides or close calls. It gets approved by electors in December.
Again, made for a reason.
America is an idea above all. The Constitution is what people swear to, not to party or figurehead.
You could have saved time and written number 4 as the totality of your first post, as that is what you meant anyway.
The popular vote is irrelevant. And I won’t be reading your post because you clearly know f’all about US politics.Educate yourself before shooting off your mouth.
And of course they want mandatory vaccinations.
The elected puppets of the West will do as they’re told and nothing will change for the good of all.
And yes maybe Kamala Harris will save us all. The way you describe her makes me forget she dropped out of the Dem nominee race pretty early.
Tulsi Gabbard spanked her bare bottom in earlier debates.
Yep – she dropped out with support in the low single digits, had trouble even competing in her own State, and claimed ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’ were at fault – this was in Democrat primaries, not a national election. Therefore all of those “racist sexist” voters would be Democrats, would they not?!
What planet are you living on? You hit the nail on the head in your own statement
“He is kind of soft and squishy” in other words easily manipulated by the ‘Global Elite’.
‘Should’ Joe Biden win, it will be the end of western democracy as we know it.
Harris refused to prosecute Mnuchin’s 2008 mortgage crimes as California AG; she also prosecuted poor Black parents for truancy. Even better, she refused a CA Supreme Court order to ease prison crowding because of the slave labour that CA got out of its inmates. Let’s see, what else, oh YES, she pandered to the RC Church by not prosecuting a paedophile priest. She is the epitome of the status quo that vomited up Trump, and lionizing her is a rinse, repeat act of the disaster that the Third Way, corporatist Democratic party produced.
Just to throw a couple more on the pile re: Harris; she voted against allowing surgery for trans inmates; she fought against legislation which wanted in-depth investigations into Police shootings – this inc. African-American & Hispanic victims.
Oh and there was the Kern County case: Harris was verbally admonished for “gross misconduct” after she put a falsified confession into evidence, for a defendant who was on charges of attacking a child. Harris was destroyed in court & again in an Appeals court, she said the whole thing was intended as a bit of a joke. The defendant, obviously, immediately went free – where he promptly viciously attacked a minor child.
Here’s a bombshell. Four families have been running the State of California for the past eighty years:
https://www.newswars.com/renegade-state-the-four-families-of-california-the-private-company-that-controls-the-internet/
A despicable, phony, dangerous politician.
I’m as disappointed as the next sceptic but Biden HAS won. Simon Dolan is embarrassing himself by failing to accept this As are many posters on this site.
This is weird. I’m not going to get worked up about it, but as a true sceptic, it seems to me obvious that the combined forces of establishment and media have decided to pronounce Biden the winner regardless of the democratic process. You may be right that this is sufficient to railroad Biden into office, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to raise our eyebrows slightly at this. If they do it once, they can presumably do it again.
I’m getting crybaby remoaner vibes
Good for you. I hope you enjoy them!
The media trumps the electoral and legal systems ? Go for it, Tom.
Not a single state has certified a single vote, but you say that Biden has won.
Just because the Democratic Party’s propaganda arm, i.e. the MSM, have ‘called it’ for Sleepy Joe doesn’t mean that he’s won. Fraud has been committed on a giant scale and you can bet Trump won’t let that go.
How can you make that claim with recounts going on in all swing states, evidence of mass electoral fraud coming out, and lawsuits dropping on Monday? Have you looked at this beyond reading BBC, CNN, Guardian, etc headlines?
Biden is fully and openly bought into the coronapanic:
““First, I’ll go to every governor and urge them to mandate mask-wearing in their states,” he said on Oct. 23. “And if they refuse, I’ll go to the mayors and county executives and get local masking requirements in place nationwide.”
https://qz.com/1929107/how-joe-biden-could-issue-a-national-mask-mandate/
“Joe Biden plans Monday to name a 12-member task force to combat and contain the spread of the coronavirus, sources tell Axios.”
https://www.axios.com/biden-to-announce-covid-19-task-force-monday-23b353bd-863b-4e0f-bb64-c6da4a5758b2.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100
Another nutcase who thinks the virus can be defeated.
Trump by contrast said people should not worry about it unduly and compared it to flu.
Yes. Utterly depressing. Build back better, my ar$E
Biden and Harris will become unpopular and eventually will be kicked out of office both are owned by big tech and Bankers
Nope, she’s even scarier than creepy Joe. . . Agenda 2030 here we come.
Kamala is one HORRIBLE woman. Despicable. Laughing about how she has locked up more young people for being in possession of cannabis than any other state governor after admitting that she has smoked it herself.
Interesting …
She makes Hillary look sane in comparison, or the truly awful pelosi
She’s Woke, Politically Correct and got only one per cent of the votes during the Democrat primaries. A Nobody. A Mole. The perfect puppet. Like Boris.
Psycho. Path.
When Trump eventually prevails, a lot more people are going to wake up to the fact that “reality” is manufactured by the lying mass media. This is what will be good for sceptics. Good night all.
Let’s hope so, the more people exposed to the ever growing corrupt socialist system the better
Wishful thinking.
Reality
I hope you’re right, Londo. That Biden cheated is pretty obvious. That Trump is right to fight is equally clear: the old rules of ‘losers’ consent’ no longer apply, after the behaviour of the Democrats over the last four years. But is the media pile on, added to the power of Silicon Valley, and allied with much of the Republican Party, sufficient to crush Trump anyway?
I don’t know. But if I had shares in big tech, I might be seeing now as a good moment to balance away slightly. If Trump does come out of this, social media and Google will have reason to be fearful.
I’m dubious: there are just too many lefties in influential positions. BUT, heavens, if Trump were to prevail, the tears at the BBC would be champagne for the nation!
For all Trump was right about Hydroxychloroquine and has achieved more in four years, diplomatically, than Obama, loving the sound of his own voice, managed in eight, Trump did advocate injecting people with bleach.
This is a British based Lockdown Sceptics forum, can we please not give the zealots cheap and easy to use ammunition by banging on about something, the Presidential election, which is largely irrelevant. Instead please can we focus on ONS surveys and falling rates of hospitalisations that strongly suggest we have been right all along and the UK has achieved effective herd immunity.
The post above the line discusses the presidential election. In that context, it is odd to question its relevance below the line.
That it is mentioned above the line is why I have posted below the line that I think it is irrelevant and a distraction. Toby is entitled to post what he wants on his forum but I am also entitled to question the extent to which it helps the LS cause.
We have our own problems let America tear itself apart We have idiot Johnson to deal with
Trump never did such a thing. Go look at the video of what he actually said, then come back here and apologise for being so naive and impressionable.
Trump’s presidency is important because he is one of the few anti-establishment leaders of the Western world. Another prominent name is Viktor Orban, but the EU press has managed to shut him up. I haven’t heard anything about him in quite a long time. But they can’t shut down Trump. So he is the last leader we have that goes against the mainstream narrative. If he goes, the globalist narrative will reign supreme and you will never see another anti-globalist, pro-freedom leader again.
The U.S.A. Presidential election was not irrelevant. Who do you think Boris was rooting for? Merkel, Macron, Sturgeon, that bastard in China? They were rooting for Biden-Harris.
Remember this is the same lying whore media that spent four years spreading the conspiracy theory that Trump was put into power by Russia and is Putin’s stooge with not a shred of evidence and yet not once were CNN , BBC and the rest censored by social media the for spreading false and dangerous conspiracy theories .
Well, many people have called it. “Let’s save Christmas” translates to “there will be no Christmas”. These people belong in prison.
Do they know it’s lockdown 2 at all..
(blahh bla blah bla,. blahh blah blah blah blaaaah, bla bla bla bla baaaarg)
Brainwash the worl-oorld
Make them forget christmas time….
Might sleep now…
I just realised what my comment actually reads like. Should have been clearer. By “these people belong in prison” i meant the government.
Bar the pubs being shut, the restrictions don’t really affect me so those calling for tighter kerbs can carry on cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Once you are able to separate law from guidance, you can do whatever you want.
Tighter curbs, not kerbs.
Kerbs come alongside pavements.
I wish I had a proof reader like you for my writing! Would save me a lot of unnoticed mistakes I reckon. I’m not sure you can proof read your own work.
You can if you leave it a couple of days and then come back to it.
Yes, that helps – although for me isn’t infallible.
One of my methods for ensuring reasonably decent prose is to have a few stiff drinks and then speed read sections at random, to get the feeling of what it is like. Haven’t seen that recommended in any text books though.
No, with the amount I write, I think I would have developed a pretty bad alcohol addiction by now!
Got to give credit to Leemc23 for posting this late last night before we changed to a new page. Make sure you read it as it’s starting to disappear down the Mail’s page under all the Biden crap.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8924191/Coronavirus-thousands-died-Covid-19-caught-hospitals.html
Go Private – Shut the NHS – Save Lives!
Nice report from the Mail but hospital staff were telling me that at the time.
I recently asked here whether it was too cynical to suggest that the reason my main regional hospital has suddenly reverted to pre-covid normal busy is to get as many immune suppressed non-covid people in the place to give them a nice high viral load and thus bump up the covid deaths and so try to justify johnsons’ criminally insane lockdown 2.
Well that sounds all too probable. Undermine people’s health in every possible way, and then give them a large viral load.
Please inform Toby.
We should replace the NHS with a Swiss style medical system. It is based on affordable insurance premiums, but the Government pay the premiums for the less well-off. Service and treatment are exceptional, on-time, based on prevention instead of disease management.
Currently with the NHS it is like throwing bundles of cash into a deep dark hole, it is badly run with lots of excess staff and poor outcomes – just ask the people who lost family members due to bad care.
You repeatedly advocate this. But the Swiss system ministers to only 10M citizens, some of whom are the wealthiest people on earth and for whom Switzerland is only one of their many homes.
This shit is never going to work, go for the “Sweden” or “Japan’ model…
No, sort of shut down bits of the entire world economy is the way forward. No hidden motives going on here, nothing to see here people, move along…
It was fun telling that prat to do one though
Everyone needs to tell the prats to do one…I take great pleasure in it. Fortunately I am big enough to deal with any possible come back……unless they are terminator!
On Saturday about 2/3 cars in the surrounding residential streets were away for part of the day, dunno what the occupants were doing because the supermarkets were not busy.
There were again a lot of people in the pedestrianised city high street despite only Tesco Metro, M+S and a couple of take-away coffee bars being open.
A large majority were maskless so probably doubters using window shopping for exercise as their ‘reasonable excuse’ for not being at home. They will all know that they are being spied on by CCTV so possibly an
‘up yours boris’ display of disapproval.
Police still notably absent for the third day.
The chap in the apartment opposite mine had his mum over as usual and the girl downstairs was coming and going with her boyfriend who does not live here so all fairly normal for a Saturday.
Feeling a bit down tonight as they’ve banned me from playing basketball for two weeks minimum but at least the gym doesn’t close. Compared to the closing you face in the UK I really am lucky still.
Anyway, just had some gut busting laughter watching the Hitler as Boris clip…absolutely gold it was! “They’re so scared they wear masks alone in their cars…”
Best to you all this Sunday and remember those who died for us all
Lovely lady told me yesterday that what moved her to tears was the sight of a young boy waving a placard at a TV camera
“What did we do wrong ?
My dad’s a wedding photographer
He’s got no work we’ve got no money”
I asked ‘what channel, surely not the BBC?’
“No, it was Al Jazeera”
‘So this was in the Middle East?’
“No, here in England and let me tell you I’m from Zimbabwe (black lady) and used to worship the BBC but now it is just full of lies, bullshit and propaganda. . .”
A splendid Sceptic on Sceptic conversation ensued.
I’ve always had a lot of time for Al Jazeera ( Europe)
“I will never forgive the clowns who cancelled Remembrance Sunday”
Peter Hitchins, Mail on Sunday.
I have never visited my medieval Parish Church but it has a War Memorial and I will be there at 11am this morning.
Yep, screw the churches in my town, I’m off with my 4yo to the war memorial this morning.
us too
Very late yesterday Arnie posted the link to Ivor Cummings’ latest YouTube.
Todays page was already up before I posted my reply.
Thanks Arnie, well worth watching.
The first part covering the course of the first wave and not-second wave was predicted as far back as the first week in June when ONS showed that in that week there were fewer (all) deaths in London than in the five year average.
Everything else has flowed from that on the basis that you ‘cannot die of covid in March and then die again of what was going to kill you in the first week of June’.
It was also predicted that total annual mortality would be much the same as usual but that did not take into consideration the NHS more or less ceasing to function and resultant excess deaths from strokes, cancer and lockdown induced suicides as also explored in Ivors excellent latest vid.
Thought I’d mention my deflating visit with friends earlier today. Met them at a store for some shopping and both were masked including child. I love these friends dearly but I found it a struggle to truly enjoy the visit. I felt so disconnected in our conversations.
We had a meal and they came by my place with faces and smiles so that was nice in the end. But darn I am starting to dislike being in public. I’m the walking merchant of death to some people and it’s just because there’s no piece of cloth covering my facial orifices.
Loved the Reggie Perrin reference in the Boris Downfall video linked above: “Plague City, Arizona”.
I noticed the little dig at Brexit toward the end but johnson was always sly about that, only choosing Leave as the surest way of becoming PM.
World leaders react to Biden’s victory over Trump: ‘Welcome back America’
Some fellow co-conspirators (bunch of wankers)
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/World-leaders-react-to-Joe-Biden-victory-15709740.php
He has won nothing yet.
Fully agreed but look at the band wagon of ‘usual suspects’ already cheering him on.
REMEMBRANCE DAY CANCELLED – GOOD
Does anyone want to remember the sacrifices our soldiers have made, now in 2020.
Has it all been in vain. There’s nothing to celebrate this year.
Hopefully next year !
As regards the bulk of the population, it may well seem as if the sacrifices were in vain. Dying to save zombies who want nothing except living death? They aren’t worth it.
But there’s us. Let us continue to conduct ourselves in a way that DOES justify that sacrifice.
I can see your point, and to some extent agree. But it’s so difficult to celebrate a victory for freedom in the current situation.
Not celebrating. Affirming.
Protecting. Resurrecting.
They died to free us of tyranny, don’t let that sacrifice be in vain.
Remembrance Day is not a celebration (in the usual use of that word) it is an Honouring by Remembering.
My grandfather fought for freedom, in North Africa and Italy. He lived to tell the tale, but I will think of the hardships he went through, I will think of those who did lose their lives or suffer long-term consequences in their fight to overcome tyranny. I will also pray for freedom today, and, I hope, that I will be praying those prayers at the same time and with the same fervency as many, many other people.
My dad was in the Navy alongside your grandfather in the media and also the Murmansk and Atlantic convoys.
bozo will not stop me remembering his fellow Servicemen and women who did not survive.
In the MED.
That is a fair point well made.
Also, the behaviour of the government this year is a huge insult to our memories of people who died defending us.
Agreed.
i take all your points and accept that this day still has a very strong message. I can see that the point was not a fair one and that we must remember despite the current situation.
Kudos
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(I wouldn’t argue with Annie either- although that is mainly because shes always right
I only claim Annial Infallibility when speaking Ex iPad. Can be wrong at other times. (Ask Stephanos about Beginners’ Greek).
Er yes. My husband is military. He has friends who have died for our country. You may not agree with some of the conflicts he has fought in (I don’t and neither does he) but he doesn’t get a choice to pick & choose.
We will be going to our war memorial.
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-to-announce-a-new-coronavirus-task-force-on-monday-2020-11?amp&r=US&IR=T&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true
Atlas gone for sure
He is not President yet, so why is he announcing a task force? Jumping the gun Joe. Did he win back his Senate seat? Has he congragulated President Bush yet on a well fought campaign?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8925171/PETER-HITCHENS-never-forgive-clowns-cancelled-Remembrance-Sunday.html
Good old Peter.
Apologies in advance but my Dad did used to work for the News of the World (printer) and this is a Sunday morning.
When the British public see cute looking animals (Mink are vicious but don’t look it) being slaughtered for the sake of public health they smell a rat. As well as the scientific implications of the Mink story it adds a sort of ‘Freddie Starr ate my hamster’ type of element to the whole story.
This coupled with deranged Dr Strangelove type scientists appearing on TV and giving lurid completely of the wall predictions of impending Apocalypse is starting to make the whole thing look the the script for a B grade Sunday afternoon disaster movie. Then Boris Johnson looks worse every-time you see him, he seems to be morphing into Father Jack Hackett from the Father Ted programmes.
At the same time, try as they might the media cannot drum up the same apocalyptic stories as they managed in April/May. As Peter Hitches talks about; back in Spring they manage to achieve power by distilling fear. But the drama that was employed to gain support for this fiasco seems to be turning to farce and comedy and by their behavior the British people seem to have picked up on that and are acting accordingly.
Is this the way the lock-down ends, not with learned scientific debate but by crowds of people queuing for beer at a hamburger stall?
There was an article on this site early on about how people reacted to the plague. It was about how people were petrified at the start and tried to hide but then gradually grew weary of it and returned back to normal. This seems to be happening now.
Hopefully.
I was thinking exactly that on a long walk yesterday afternoon. Loads of relaxed people out and about maskless – a completely different atmosphere from Lockdown 1.
The dissenting voices in the tabloids have been getting louder and louder. The PM is now the man who wants to ban Christmas, and the dissenting voices in the tabloids offer an alternative route, bolstered by official admissions of exaggerated statistics – if it has happened once, it could have been like that all along.
I do hope this is how it ends.
The damage has been done Barney, Sir Patrick Vaccine put up a very sobering video about the state of Covent Garden a week before lockdown 2.
It’s right at the beginning of yesterdays posts.
Here is the link again. It’s an incredible watch. London is totally broken.
It’s staggering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2-VY6roL0
Not just Covent Garden,the whole of the West End and the City.The economic devastation is huge.Only a matter of time before systematic collapse.
Johnson is on borrowed time I can’t see him in office this time next year
Make sure that he doesn’t continue in office next year.
With every false prophecy, they sow another seed of doubt. Overheard two old boys standing outside my house yesterday, talking about the great reset lol!
When the stats were exposed as fraudulent another reason had to be found. Enter the mink. Remember when this started they were blaming the innocent pangolin. Just more of the same old “not me guv”.
One has to be sceptical about the mink story. It’d be more credible with a llamacorn
Haven’t pavements tested pcr positive?
CULL KEYBOARDS!!!
Not sure what your apology is for but apart from that I agree entirely.
I was part of the vast majority who surrenderd power to Our Boris at the start of lockdown and would have wrapped an old towel over my head if told it would help.
Johnson and his gang have squandered that goodwill and need to go, message the Police around here seem to understand as they remain conspicuous by their absence.
https:/www.remove-the-tory-government.org
re furry mutant rodents: does this mean mink masks are out?
i miss the News of the World!
It’s all very convenient. Just as the public opinion is about to become explosively against lockdowns, here comes along a convenient mutation, right here in the heart of Europe so we can’t blame others and we can’t hide from it, one that not only happens to invalidate most vaccines being worked on, but also seemingly bypasses the idea of herd immunity. It’s not even two birds with one stone. It’s three minks with one stone: promote lockdowns, beat down the idea of herd immunity, and give big pharma an excuse to stop working on vaccines that are probably proving to be massively expensive failures.
As a teacher, within this last week I have become acutely aware that my own freedom hangs on a knife edge, regardless of whether I take part in track n trace etc.
Every day, the teenagers I teach are bombarded with orders to download the app, and to get tested if they have even a cold. Given this, we are starting to see positive results, nothing wrong with them. Not sick. But positive results.
But when that happens to one in my class, I too will be locked up for two weeks, along with my young daughter who would be utterly devastated to miss yet more school.
Every email is really unnerving now, as by the law of averages, that will happen soon.
I had a circular from Devon Council yesterday it described how the virus was spreading, or at least how they thought it was spreading and to me it seemed like they were describing the normal progress of the common cold in a normal British autumn/winter. We have never been able to stop the common cold anymore than we can stop the rain or the wind rustling through the trees.
80% of people are immune/resistant to serious hospital level covid, that is 53.3 million, so all the actions we are taking are solely to protect the 13.3 million who are susceptible to serious covid. There has to be a better way to protect those 13.3 million than to test & isolate children and scare the living daylights out of them?
Our weekly Council newsletter this week was all about the cold…lagging pipes, using a hot water bottle etc. Only a tiny bit about Covid and in the context of winter illnesses. It’s as if someone clicked on the wrong PDF and took us back to November 2018.
Ditto. We passed one of those electronic signs on our local A road yesterday and instead of usual nhs propaganda it said ‘is your car ready for winter?’.
The ones here said ‘Essential travel only’…so I travelled unessentially!
How many of that 13.3 million have at some point this year been exposed to it?
Yes, this has happened to my daughter. She is now off school for two weeks because someone on the school bus who had a cold has tested positive. The ridiculous thing is i sent her to school when she had a cold, coughing and blowing her nose all over the place. Now that she is perfectly well, no symptoms at all she has to sit at home because of someone else. Why can’t these people just take a lemsip and get on with it.
Hemlock would be better.
At least the Telegraph poll showing most teachers want to keep the schools open shows that most of your profession care about education, unlike the unions.
The teacher unions have never cared about the kids. When I was a teacher in the late 1980s all they cared about was going on strike…I refused to join them.
Schools here in Northern Ireland went back after a two week Lockdown. Just completed their first week back and already an entire secondary school has closed again and gone online for two weeks.
We’ve created this mess for ourselves. Teachers I speak to here are too self absorbed to think critically about what is happening
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54848392
Is the default result a positive one? A friend (81 and doesn’t really go anywhere) had one of the at home testing kits sent. Told her not to but she said why not? Tried sticking it up her nose but it hurt, didn’t bother with the throat and just sent it off. Positive. Daughter-in-law, a nurse, is tested regularly as nurses are. A nurse friend of hers went for her, by appointment, test. They were running late so she rearranged it for another day. Before she went for that test she had a positive result back from the test she didn’t take.
I spoke to T&T about this the other week as the whole family had to be tested because one of my children had a fever. We only received the results from 4 of the 5 tests, they had lost the 5th and as such that member of the family was designated as Positive and thus had to self isolate for 14 days.
So the default is Positive otherwise they would be taking a chance that someone would be spreading it. Therefore, untested, binned, not received, not registered, and inconclusive results are all classed as Positive.
My theory for a long time is that we don’t have capacity for all these tests which is why the number of Positive suddenly changed to around 20,000+. Even Hancock admitted that tests were just being binned when questioned in Parliament.
I’ve heard/read about so many positive results from tests never taken, the whole thing is a joke.
If the virus is so powerful that you need a nappy to stop it leaping off your face and eating your six-feet-away neighbour, how come you need to ram a twig so far up your nose in order to find it?
Of the gang-of-four Quadroceptors, I fancy Grovel as the source of the leak that bounced Boris into the latest lockdown lunacy.
Grovel has form.
I am inclined to agree. It’s not going to be Sunak. Possibly Wanksock.
HIGNFY – heavily suggesting it was Hancock
If the ONS is down again this week and “admissions” continue to fall I think Hancock will be sacked, Vallance and Whitty will be gone as well.
Why on earth would Johnson sack Hancock?
Please do Boris
They should sack each other.
No one is getting sacked.They all know where the bodies are buried.
Such a great camera angle at the key moment — jump to about 16:02.
https://youtu.be/gVolcHUWzDI
Most prob, but the idea that he would be dull enough to use his own phone is ludicrous
This is Hancock we are talking about….
…The most technology-obsessed of them all, so he would know that his phone could incriminate him.
It’s a tragedy, to say the least, that he didn’t just stay working for his daddy’s software company, an industry where there’s a role for people who have had a humanity-bypass at birth.
‘humanity by-pass at birth’ – very well put. Judging by the number of zombies surrounding us just now, that operation must be carried out on the majority of newborns.
Via the delectable Sarah perhaps?
Maybe it was a plot hatched by all four of them in conjunction Dominic Machiavelli himself. The Speaker had previously torn Hancock and Johnson a strip for their contemptuous attitude to the House, so maybe they were just striking back and circumventing the House and Speaker again. And the rest is theatre.
Or maybe my imagination is running riot.
I’m fancy witless or unbalanced acting on inside information.
Do you really believe he was “bounced” into it? Whoever leaked the dodgy data did us all a favour because we had more time to scrutinise it and it was rubbished pretty quickly. Johnson had every intention of doing this – any explanation to the contrary is a pathetic attempt at spin to divert attention.
I would lay odds that is was Handoncock.
HandJob CockUp.
Off on full pay to sit at home eating biscuits! Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
They are not vulnerable. They must get back to work
Trump was a rubbish President and Biden will be a rubbish President but I am not an American so I don’t really care. Let’s focus on moving on from this ruinous lockdown in the UK and returning OUR country to normal. Let’s concentrate our efforts on highlighting the falling infections according to the ONS and KCL, let’s start championing the effective herd immunity we are seeing throughout the UK…
Hear, hear!!! I’ve been irritated at people who have been following this election and talking about it non-stop whilst at the same time ignoring the real problems we have in this country.
But remember: when America sneezes, the world catches a
coldcovid!If the rest of the world stop gormlessly clinging to America the better it would be
And saddened that today’s update and comments seem to be largely about Biden. Choice between the devil and the deep blue sea as far as I can see.
Well I agree we have to accept what happens, move on, and fight our own battles here, but I think the result of the election especially what it means to our cause is a legitimate subject for discussion. I know Trump is a divisive figure and I don’t think we should let him divide us, but there’s a debate to had regarding the impact on the anti-coronapanic campaign.
Sadly, I think that what happens in the US will be on its way here very soon – including the media superseding the democratic process..
Every day this lockdown is further exposed as completely unnecessary the hold the MSM have over the country is diminishing. When we win this fight for Lockdown Scepticism it will also herald a victory against media orthodoxy and groupthink.
They already have superseded the democratic process. Overrun it, overtaken it and subverted it.
It does impact us, I’m afraid. Example: Big tech getting bigger and more censorious vs being checked. That is/was at stake, and it impacts us all.
Yes you’re right, let’s all be so narrow minded that we believe the elected president of the most powerful democracy in the world deserves “really no care”.
Infections, figures, graphs, studies and statistics are all pretty much pointless at this stage, they prove only what we have all known all along.
Anyone still believing this “deadly virus” shit deserves what will come.
USA is in terminal decline
Agree with you there Will !
Dear President Trump, the freedom loving people of the world are behind you. The swamp and fake news cannot be allowed to declare Biden as President, it is evident through many reports that fraud was committed on an industrial scale -this will go on for a while yet.
If Christmas is to be shifted to mid-Summer, why not Remembrance Day also?
The Waterloo victory is still celebrated in June by dinner off solid gold plate at Buckingham Palance and a combined remembrance of all Britain’s war dead going back over two hundred years would have a certain resonance.
And we can hang the Quad to be beaten to death like the piñata they are
There’s out of touch and then there is OUT OF TOUCH!!!
SAGE and this apology of a government can fuck off if they are suggesting Christmas in June
1000% sure he US election result was fiddled, Trump probably won. , I dont know what the BBC told everyone (I dont watch it) but there was widespread fiddling which is going to be challenged in law courts
I really believe Trump was our only hope against the criminal bunch who are holding the world to ransom, We’re screwed now
It’s not over until it’s over.
Yogi Berra.
Relying on Trump to restore sanity is surely the very definition of madness? By the time Biden takes over in Feb not even the most dedicated covid fanatics will be able to argue that the pandemic isn’t over. And with the Republicans in control in the senate and the supreme Court its no wonder that senior Republican party figures are quietly satisfied with the results.
“By the time Biden takes over in Feb not even the most dedicated covid fanatics will be able to argue that the pandemic isn’t over. “
I wish I could believe that to be the case, but it has been obvious for a while that the “pandemic” is over (in fact it never really started, in the sense that it was never what is was cracked up to be).
Broadway Market
I take it this is an open air market? Well in my small balliwick here up North we didn’t have one. Who decided that I wonder? No opportunity yesterday then to buy fruit and veg from the lass with the lovely Geordie twang.
Hexham?
No. I’m on t’other side o’t Pennines.
The clue is probably in the name, the roadway broadens out to accommodate an animal market and has been that way since early Anglo Saxon times.
POPPY DAY Beyond sickened to think that our and allied WW2 soldiers died in blazing tanks and planes so thatba little runt like Hancock and his like could live in a free country.
In regards to Hancock I wonder if any veterans still have their service weapons
Not allowed any more. I was one of the last generation of officers who were expected to, or legally-able, to buy their own service weapons.
I counted three pensioners using their bus passes yesterday just to go for a joy ride on the bus to view the autumn colours.
Three may not sound many but it amounts to more than a quarter of the passengers I saw yesterday.
It probably didn’t cross their minds they were breaching the lockdown diktat.
Closing down Remembrance Sunday? Surely not.
Yep. Cowards don’t like to be reminded that other men were brave.
Well put Annie.
The Downfall vid is brilliant. I hope Johnson and his goons see it.
The two latest cases associated with isolation facility with the Russian fishermen seemed to have been MoD workers and the last one flew an internal flight to Wellington. Awful difficult to keep zero covid free also in NZ summer.Also a new case in isolation facility was a “sick” arriving passenger from Germany.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-six-new-cases-including-one-in-community-who-flew-on-air-nz-on-thursday/DMKNKO3GCW3LYXWI3UN63ZBCDA/
“A Covid-infected quarantine worker in Auckland is thought to have infected another person who then travelled to Wellington, but the Health Ministry is currently advising no change to alert levels.
Both are Defence Force employees.
One of them flew from Auckland to Wellington on Thursday on flight NZ 457, sitting in row 23.
Officials are now asking all people sitting within two rows of the worker to get tested and to isolate until November 19. All of their household contacts are also being asked to isolate until the contact on the flight tests negative.
They are now in a quarantine facility in Wellington. Five household contacts are being tested and are in self-isolation.
Defence House, where about 1300 personnel work, has been closed for a deep clean and all staff will work from home until further notice.
The ministry is still looking into how two health workers at the Sudima facility in Christchurch became infected. They were both interacting with infected mariners, though the genome sequencing suggests they have different strains to each other.”
There’s something very odd going on in NZ. Where are their serology studies, what are the details around the PCR testing and cycles? How are people taking internal flights catching it?
I think they have been quite strict with PCR tests and not wanting dubious non-infectious cases to disturb the picture. Not seen anything about serological studies. It is clearly in their interest to have only true cases counted. They are also genetic typing of each case to see any connections. There has not been any transmission on internal flights. The concern now is one MoD staff infected taking a flight to Wellington which has not had any cases before. No internal flight has spread the C-19 so far but now they are testing some people attending this flight.NZ is now concerned that there is a NZ flight coming in very soon from Denmark potentially bringing in the “dangerous” mink virus strain.I think the whole NZ effort is a futile fight against nature. Many C-19 cases are very mild and the notion that there are currently no further cases of C-19 in NZ is not believable. Even flu circulated at very low level during summertime and it is bound to happen in NZ now with C-19. I think it is now the 7th time that these isolation camps have spread to the community during the last 3 months. So far, they have not detected any spread of cases further but is that 100 % believable?
Haven’t New Zealand just elected the extremist far left Jacinda Ardern and that odd woman with the barcode on her chin
Erm…. Pervy Joe has won fuck all yet.
Correct! The fat lady hasn’t started applying her makeup yet.
This is just an MSM ploy to initiate the start of riots and civil disturbance. It is now sown into their minds, so that anything Trump now does will lead to major problems across the US.
Joe Biden=Post Covid-19 Stress Syndrome.
What is the most sceptical town in the UK? And conversely, what is the least sceptical?
Perhaps we need a running top (and bottom) 10.
I moved a while ago to a place that is very small-c conservative where people are in general better behaved than the average, as far as I can see (except when they have had a beer when they go beserk). It’s a bit on the dull side but suits me as I’m ready for a quieter life than I had.
But they are super-compliant – I don’t know about the % of sceptics as I don’t know many people here but mask wearing is more or less 100% in the supermarkets. So right now I partly wish I lived in a place full of hooligans not rule-followers.
That said, I have heard and observed “illegal” home visits going on – so they are compliant publicly but often not in private. And while mask wearing in shops is almost universal, away from the shops almost no-one wears a mask.
This is the story in my town. People are very compliant but also seem quite ambivalent. There are very few masks to be seen outside of where they are mandated.
Whenever I go to London, I see more outdoor mask wearing, a sign of enthusiasm, but I also see more outright non-compliance in places where masks are mandated. So it seems more polarised there.
Exactly my experience of London
The critical point is the vaccination. Will they comply with that for an easy life and because that’s what the gov wants them to do – or will they draw the line?
I have to vote for Leicester…I feel like people forget that as the original local lockdown area, they have never been out of lockdown. No one there gives a monkeys anymore and I think the last people who did stopped around August.
Don’t think this will answer your question but during my recent time off, Mr Bart and I went to Windsor and Colchester – the former was much more relaxed while the latter wasn’t, in fact the establishments in Colchester (at least the ones we went to) seemed very rigid with their observance of the regulations in a way that we didn’t experience at Windsor.
Whatever happened to Norman Tebbitt’s essex man?
Not in the part of Essex where I live (Romford)
Walden Two, by B.F. Skinner.
Judging by the many field reports that have been posted over the months it seems peoples reactions have been remarkably consistent. Even the timing and extent of supermarket queues seemed the same everywhere.
The biggest difference seems to be that rural areas are less masky than urban.
I went away for a few days to the Cotswolds in late October…very beautiful too. I noticed that in the larger villages like Broadway with more tourists the masked muppets were very numerous whilst in the more lovely out of the way parts like the Duntisbournes and Sapperton there was not a mask in sight. Even saw a school playground with unmasked children and teachers playing games in the playground and no anti social distancing at all. It was like watching an old Midsomer Murders….I stood and watched and took in the joy.
My part of Essex is by and large sceptical , sure there are still plenty of mind controlled zombies wearing masks in the street but mostly no one seems to give a shit anymore . Wednesday nights knees up in my local was full on party time , everyone hugging and shaking hands etc and all at close quarters with not one mask worn in the entire pub .
My Mrs has family up north , The Midlands and Liverpool and on her last visit to them a month ago she could not believe how paranoid and compliant they were especially her Liverpool based sister . Not sure if her Midlands based sister’s attitude has changed since but the Liverpool based one told the Mrs last week not to come visit again till the ” PANDEMIC ” is over.
Dear God what a drone !!!!
I’d propose London Fields, Hackney judging by the pictures from Broadway market yesterday
Tucked away in todays Roundup section is this gem: “Smoking Gun: Fauci States COVID Test Has Fatal Flaw; Confession From the ‘Beloved’ Expert of Experts” – Jon Rapppoport writing on LeeRockwell.com has discovered a podcast in which Anthony Fauci says that the PRC test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher”. In the UK, it’s typically run at 45 cycles. In the US the FDA recommends 40 cycles.
Be sure to check it out.
Rappoport was onto this in Feb and even before when talking about AIDS. For COVID his whole point was the “it’s not just one thing” aspect is easily ignored to make people feel better. It becomes One Thing so it’s then easy to shape the narrative and introduce loads of vaguery so that you can say anything is COVID. Precisely what we saw.
From the Roundup.
The Guardian quotes a Tory rebel as saying that in any future lockdown vote as many as 100 Tory MPs might revolt.
At that rate johnson will soon have to rely entirely on the Labour Party to get his way.
A situation not seen since the repeal of the Corn Laws in the 1840s when a Tory PM relied on the Whig Opposition to defeat his own backbenchers.
This led to a split in the Tory Party and the rise if the Liberals which remained a major party for 80years.
An extension of lockdown is inconceivable. Johnson would be gone.
I thought that about lockdown in June.
The trouble is Labour will always support lockdowns. We need the Tories to ditch Johnson and Hancock and install Sunak so they have some room to change direction. Don’t get me wrong I am not a fan of Sunak but he is marginally less tarnished than the others, at least in the eyes of the general public, and realistically it’s probably the best we can hope for right now.
God isnt it depressing that Labour will always support lockdowns. I was a member of the party in the early 1980s when it was far far more working class. Would it have supported lockdowns then? Isomehow doubt it.
https://www.sdp.org.uk forget the Tories and liebore busted flushes
The tories are rubbish I agree and I would have voted SDP last time had they fielded a candidate in Telford.
Magic Money Tree Rishi.
These Tory rebels are shithouses. Always going to stand up and be counted ‘next time’. Don’t even get me started on Labour.
Response to DJ Austin
I apologise for the long delay in responding, but we now have the opportunity to look at the latest French death figures that go up to 26/10 – there are even some to 30/10 but they don’t cover the whole country.
Looking at the 30/10 figures, the latest week shows a very large excess death over the 2018/19 average as you suspected it would. However, this is completely uncorrelated with the increase in people who have died with a positive test.
The reason I say that ? The excess death rate is pretty much a straight line since 1 August (it’s similar in the UK apart from a huge discontinuity in the w/e 4/9.
Coming back to lockdown, I still haven’t had an answer to why Sweden and Brazil etc followed a very similar pattern to countries where there was no lockdown (and for that matter why Peru which had a draconian lockdown suffered so badly) – if you cannot think of a reason other than herd infection and/ or seasonality please say so.
“Looking at the 30/10 figures, the latest week shows a very large excess death over the 2018/19 average as you suspected it would. However, this is completely uncorrelated with the increase in people who have died with a positive test.”
Do you have a source for this? Also what makes you say it is uncorrelated?
Source Insee(French equivalent of ONS). You will see that the excess death rate has been about the same since 1/8.
Re your last para, if the main route of infection is particles (not droplets) in the air and on surfaces, then it makes sense, since even in a lockdown people are mixing in shops, breathing in the air and touching surfaces others have touched. I think in China in some places they confined people to their homes and delivered food to them. That should have at least temporary suppressive effect.
The Stroud Freedom Rally link dodn’t work for me. This does:
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gallery/in-pictures-stroud-freedom-rally-4680223
Apparently the organiser, Debbie Hicks was arrested:
https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/18855094.organiser-stroud-freedom-rally-debbie-hicks-arrested/
Thanks for the link. The youtube video shows the black clad police behaving like the thugs they have become.
I am so ashamed of the British Police now…I really cant bear to see them in their horrible clothing and masks and batons and gas sprays…they are despicable.
Wonder where the police were originally from, are they part of the ‘new recruits’
Romania and Bulgaria
After Brexit will that be legal?
Something will be legal or illegal depending in how the authorities weigh up their interest on that particular day.
Listen to their accents they are English .What is this fantasy that the British police treat everyone nice but the nasty foreign ones are dangerous .Grow up the police are agents of the state and are there to manage dissent .They kill people and will cover it up at the drop of a hat .Remember Ian Tomlinson he was a paper seller trying to make his way home and happen to come upon the police as they cleared the steets after a protest near the bank of england .The police said he collapsed and had a heart attack .Only later did footage emerge of him being hit by the police as he tried to walk away .The police have killed loads of people over the years and like the Tomlinson case never been prosecuted.The people who think our police are there to give old ladies directions or rescue lost kittens are living in a fantasy world .
They are from the EU. The same badgeless ‘police’ from the yellow vest protests. There was a video on YouTube where somebody was showing the same faces in different countries protests but I can’t find it now.
Good for Debbie.
The Stroud. I visited there in 1976 with my Cotswold girlfriend.
Great update Toby and well done to the army chiefs for speaking out against the decision to cancel Remembrance Sunday.
Regardless of what happens, I will be at a war memorial to pay my own respects to the war dead.
Lest We Forget.
Me too
I think some people are missing the commonalty between the lockdowns and the US election. The commonality is the power of mass media to define reality. This power has been weaponised by outfits like the CIA in countries like Ukraine. It is now being used in NATO countries to carry out an agenda. We can speculate as to the reasons but I do not believe that the events of 2020 have been fundamentally due to policy blunders. I note that when facts about the election are posted, the Biden-has-won-brigade resort to the same sneering as commonly greets sceptics about the lockdown tyranny.
The Telegraph is the most read broadsheet in the UK and is increasingly lockdown sceptic. I don’t know the figures for the mail but I suspect it has at least double the readership of the Guardian. This battle is being won through the MSM.
Despite them not because of them though
They reflect public opinion. We are fortunate in that we can change public opinion through careful exposure of reasoned argument on social media platforms.
In years gone by they used to question and investigate for themselves – is that not their job?
Public opinion is what it is now, because of the manipulated main stream news coverage, and then measured by the manipulated questions asked by pollsters with an agenda to come up with the right answers.
So if they are reflecting it, they are reflecting exactly the propaganda they are putting out. That’s a bit of a viscious circle isn’t it.
It shouldn’t really be the job of the viewer/readership to prove them wrong, should it?
That’s the plan but the public have seen through it which is why lockdown 2 is being largely ignored.
Can’t agree with that view. Too many time both newspapers will run stories and articles which are pro-lockdown or vaccine or scaremongering. There isn’t a single media outlet which has been consistent in this engineered crisis.
A newspaper that turns to polemic ceases to be taken seriously. The Telegraph has called out this lockdown as an error.
Ideally we would want the Telegraph to get off the fence. They deserve credit for allowing both sides to have a say, but they still regularly feature needlessly alarmist, irresponsible headlines. The same goes for the Mail.
All of the MSM is controlled. Some ‘non-programme’ opinions are sometimes inserted to get the ‘red pilled’ to read the news outlet. Some of the readers will then accept part of the programme and perhaps be comforted and thus controlled. The Telegraph has gone full-on Biden, yet it ignored Hunter’s laptop. If that is responsible journalism I’m a monkey.
Absolutely amazed at all the pro-Biden coverage today in the Telegraph. Even if you are anti-Trump anyone can surely see Biden is a very poor candidate – dishonest, very corrupt and has a habit of inappropriate behaviour around women and children.
Biden will block any meaningful Brexit. Deep state establishment speaking via the Telegraph.
Fuck Biden I would rather be independent than grovel to a doddery old Yankee geriatric who still thinks the British are coming
This is the best comment of the day for me. Thank you. Yes we are getting traction, the traffic is only one way, from believer to sceptic.
We will win, we can only lose if we allow it but every day I see thousands joining our ranks.
Arnie.
Through the comments sections of the MSM.
Sadly the cowardly Telegraph does not allow comments on its YouTube site.
Just think how simple it was for the Democrats to find those Biden ‘votes’ in the middle of the night.
Think how much easier it must be to find ‘cases’
Rememberance Sunday today folks.
If there is one thing that you do today please honour those people who fought and died in for our FREEDOMS.
If you can put in a visit to the memorials please do.
I have asked a neighbour of mine (who just happens to play the bugle) to play the last post at 11am. He’s not a sceptic but has agreed to do it because ‘what we are being told to forget is just too important not to act’. Quite.
Have a great day folks.
Arnie.
Hear, hear!!! I will go to one, I think cancelling Remembrance Sunday is a disgrace.
Especially as this year marks the centenary of the unveiling of the Cenotaph.
I will be there at our Cenotaph. Sod ’em.
Remembrance Sunday isn’t illegal. The law states that services can go ahead. I haven’t read the guidance.
What we have instead is cowardice.
People need to grow a pair and say to hell with these rules
Biden has not won. It’s not over.
Indeed.
Exactly. Remember Gore Bush in 2000? They even had the headlines as well.
The process is to be followed but there does seem to be lots of fuckery afoot.
Why is this relevant to the UK? Because the same “lead by falsehood and propaganda” is going on here. The media and the government think that by saying things enough that they are true.
There was a story about how an official contracted COVID-19 because he wasn’t wearing a mask. Eh, I thought masks don’t protect you from getting it? Hence the reason you “wear it for others?”
Even the narrative is shot full of holes
Yep, happened not just Gore Bush, years before that “Dewey defeats Truman” headline news – I think even Truman woke up surprised to see he’d actually won!
Its setting the USA up for riots…Once the courts overturn the media the left will go bash*t crazy. Trump will be blamed for being corrupt, the ‘deplorables’ will be blamed for being thick selfish morons and the media will push the narrative for civil unrest if not war. I get the impression they are already salty that Trump supporters aren’t rioting but are trying to follow legal process.
In the UK the narrative is similar but focused on COVID. Sceptics are deplorables, people questioning the narrative are the scum of the earth, legal process is dead in the water for anyone pushing back and the majority of sheep are just happy to go along with the farce!
The media is the virus, that has become self evident!!
Mind Virus – Mark Windows, Windows on the World.
Disturbing column by Liam Halligan in The Telegraph this morning, in which he deplores the level of ‘Quantities Easing’ (horrible phrase, I think).
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/07/rely-qe-lockdown-will-never-end/
His arguments are blatantly obvious to anyone who has thought about this, although not apparently to anyone in government or at the Bank of England.
He explains that in the first round of QE, in the aftermath of the 2008-9 financial crisis, owing to technical issues the money created remained essentially within the banking system (and thus found its way into assets, such as shares and property).
But this time, as the government is seeking to finance lockdown, the vast sums created are – through the furlough scheme – being sent straight to the bank accounts of the wider population.
No prizes for guessing where this leads. As he concludes: ‘It will end in inflation, a currency collapse and broader financial turmoil.’
But it is clear to me that it goes further. A currency collapse will inevitably be associated with a societal collapse. Imagine 1970s UK.
But there are far worse historical parallels. Everyone laments at how evil the Nazis were. But very few people bother to ask where they came from.
If a currency collapses there is hell to pay.
All true – and we have now learnt what it was like for the decent thoughtful people in pre-war Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. The future is not orange; it is black.
They want inflation however, just not too much. Its a balancing act
Good for exports! Remember ‘March of the makers’ ten years ago?
Oh hang on, our manufactured export sector is so small it won’t move the dial anymore and as for services well we are going to struggle to sell those into Europe (our biggest single market) the way the Brexit negotiations are going…
Global Action Plan.
Bob hits the spot yet again – life is now so bitter.
America has chosen an establishment lackey President it won’t end well, though Britain is not qualified to lecture other Countries are We considering We have bumbling Boris
Have the actual living Americans, on a one person one vote basis, made that choice?
Trump should fight this all the way.
Not sure about ‘living’ Americans….
Johnson is a weak weak man. He has let the spivs and wolves in the door to wreak havoc wherever they want. We are the lab rats, the vaccine, itemised per head, is their money tree.
He opened the door to the hen house and let the foxes in. He has betrayed those that he was employed to protect.
There will be a day of reckoning.
He looks utterly dejected when in the commons now
Pathetic. He is in charge, and if he wanted to he can fix this mess.
Good, the lardy sack of shit
GOOD!
Utterly dejected ? So he should, vile cowardly ‘man’ he has turned out to be.
Johnson will be the most hated PM in living memory.
We can just wonder how violently people will react when they eventually found out that he was instrumental in them losing their jobs, businesses etc
That’s why they won’t back off and will need to be made to
I think you’ll find the polls will say he’s the most popular Dictator we’ve ever had.
Opinion polls are bullshit always have been
Special vaccine for special people. People don’t believe it but different age groups will get targeted vaccines.
They admit already that the elderly get a more potent vaccine for the flu jab. “They say” it’s because the elderly have a poor immune response to vaccines; you could, however, if you were cynical, believe that the extra-strength vaccine was intended to do more damage…
If you were cynical…
A significant number of NHS staff are obese, particularly nurses. My mother was horrified, last time she was in hospital, that they munch constantly on the wards. Apparently they no longer have breaks or a canteen serving proper food, so they constantly munch on biscuits.
Also off to the local war memorial. Suggested to my street’s WhatsApp group, and nothing. All cowering inside.
I still remember as a small child a 2 week spell in hospital after the NHS botched my tonsils removal. In my memory image the nurses were all slim (and very smart too). Funnily enough all my primary school teachers were slim too and I have the evidence for that on my old school photos!
My tonsil removal was botched as well. Was coughing up blood. My uncle drove me to the hospital in a RHD 1948 MGTC. Classy ambulance! Ate lots of ice cream.
yes same in the u .s. no one mentions that for a good immune system you need to be healthy[ not obese] eat real food not junk food to exercise and to get out in the sunshine and fresh air .almost everyone was obese[i mean the general public too not just nurses]
The mink stories have been repeated numerous times now. Here was one from Utah. So are we to believe this mutation sprung up independently in all these locations, or were the animals being exported between them?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thousands-minks-die-covid-19-utah-farms-n1242754
If you start looking for the sequence you will find it. But if you are not looking for it you would not, probably no more than that.
I don’t get why this Mink story is getting traction when we had the same thing earlier in the summer in Netherlands (or am I misremembering?)
Yeah, in Denmark too. We’ll have the Covid cat scare stories repeated next.
I think it is because the Mink story affects the vaccine development programme. To me it illustrates the folly of investing so much in a vaccine programme when we have never has a vaccine for the cold , flu vaccines are iffy and they never got a vaccine for AIDS.
There should have been much more effort put into developing effective treatments for the 20% of people who are potentially susceptible to serious hospital covid, the remaining 80% do not need a vaccine or a treatment.
I have wondered the same thing. I think it just goes to illustrate that there’s like trillions of viruses in the world (like more than the number of stars in the universe I believe) many of which jump between species and mutate and moreover any attempts by us to control these ancient processes are completely fruitless.
I guess that the minks weren’t wearing masks when they had sex.
Our hospital system has only 40% of the beds per capita that it had 30 years ago. We shut down the infectious disease hospitals so they are the wrong kind of beds. At the beginning of the crisis we had the worst ICU capacity in Europe, we did not have the PPE (thanks to sheer incompetence) AND OF COURSE WE DID NOT HAVE THE MANPOWER.
Sky News article on WWIII. Personally, I think it already begun at the start of this year, but it’s a trade/tech/culture war, that has already claimed untold victims.
https://news.sky.com/story/risk-of-new-world-war-is-real-head-of-uk-armed-forces-warns-12126389
“We have to remember history might not repeat itself but it has a rhythm and if you look back at the last century, before both world wars, I think it was unarguable that there was escalation that led to the miscalculation which ultimately led to war at a scale we would hopefully never see again.”
Just reposting this as it was from late yesterday night.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8924191/Coronavirus-thousands-died-Covid-19-caught-hospitals.html
Unfortunately I don’t see any point in Remembrance Day now. As far as I’m concerned the people who fought and died for us just wasted their lives. Our liberties and freedoms have been sacrificed on the crosses of multiculturalism, diversity and the flu.
Does that mean we shouldn’t honour them? Their sacrifice was the same, regardless of whether their achievements have been squandered by those who followed them.
Why, they fought and died for our freedoms which have now been insulted by politicians. There is a proposal to extend hate speech into the home. This is an insult to the fallen.
You’re not wrong – but they gave their all and so we must take inspiration from them, and courage from the example that they gave us, and continue to campaign for liberty.
Those people that believe the Government scare stories and act upon it, i.e snitching, masking, neglecting family members, etc are the ones that totally disrespect the people that fought and died for our country. Pathetic. Shame on you!!!
A bigger shame is for the Government and all the MPs that voted for this unnecessary lockdown and therefore cancelled Remembrance Day. These people should all go.
They are the majority by far.
I am not a lawyer, This is a guess, not even a prediction
The Dolan case result appears to be taking longer than initially anticipated
I suspect the Judges will be asking the questions: Where are we now?, how did we get here? and what is the remedy?
Where are we now?
That one is easy to answer. We are living under a dictatorship complete with all the injustice that dictatorship brings
How did we get here?
The institutions that should have prevented a dictatorship coming to power have failed us
A parliament stuffed full of people who’s loyalty is first to money, then themselves, and then their party.
The only rights we have are those that the dictator gives and takes away on a daily basis
What is the remedy?
A ruling that declares what has happened is illegal
A ruling that outlines in great detail the rights of the people, the right not to be imprisoned without trial etc, etc
It must be a ruling that ensures (in so far as any law can ensure anything) that a dictatorship never rises again in this country
That would be quite a polticial judgement. At least on the last point. In law, the question is had they the legal right to do what they have done.
The only question I hear them saying is ‘what are the ramifications for ME’?
This is where Boris’s argument – “it’s what people want” – comes unstuck. Freedoms and rights under a constitution are not directly susceptible to the majority and therefore cannot be voted down or set aside just because the majority, misguidedly, wants it. The constitution in a democracy safeguards the liberties which make democracy possible. This is also why Lindsay Hoyle’s intervention in the Dolan case is mistaken. The Commons must work within the constitution as overseen and protected by the Supreme Court.
https://www.eutruth.org.uk
The piece by Dr Simon Clarke in the Spectator is just the thing that winds me up about all this. The models suggest one thing, the actual evidence, quite another. Rather than explain away the evidence with some of that science shit, they just put their fingers in their ears and pretend they don’t see it. Why is that?
Sunk cost fallacy, agendas, politics
I hope Heneghan takes it apart.
I would say, looking at his page on University of Reading, his academic career has stalled at the level of Associate Professor (Senior Lecturer/Reader). His publication profile suggests he is no longer research active. He is therefore pursuing a media career, and I read somewhere he is a local Tory councillor. He knows enough to sound credible when interviewed on TV, but he is not going to set the world alight with his scientific insights. Best ignored!
Kerrrrchingggg?
Brilliant comment on Littlejohn article in Mail;
”Covid is deadly, it killed the flu”
It kicked it to the curb (US English).
The US election is as corrupt as it gets. Counts were interrupted in the more Eastern states so that news that Trump was ahead wouldn’t reach those in the Western time zones where the vote was still ongoing, presumably on the reasonable assumption that many people would be more likely to back Trump if they heard he was ahead. That, coupled with officials in swing states illegally refusing access to the Republican party to oversee counts tells you all you need to know.
Biden got 80 million votes,15 million votes than Hillary according to some sources.
Yeah, sure.
Just leaving to go to the local War Memorial.
Will report back later!
Pleased to see the poll about teachers not wanting schools to close. I’m a primary teacher and I don’t know a single colleague who thinks we should shut, we’re all horrified at the thought. The unions are hideous and don’t represent the profession. I left the NEU during the 1st lockdown due to their attitude and have joined an organisation called EDAPT which is non political.
Good to hear!! I never hear anything positive about teaching unions, the reps sound like a load of Capos drunk on power and bent on bullying and intimidation.
Great comment …we should not allow all teachers to be tarred with the teacher union brush. I know a primary teacher who feels the same…she just wants to be allowed to do her job. She doesn’t want to 10% off at Morrisons either!
1967
It was the year that Siegfried Sassoon died. I was ten.
While we punted leather footballs on half-holidays
And discovered swear-words and stirred jam like blood
Into our rice-pudding,
The great poet was at home, writing letters in his study
Or strolling round his garden, each flower scented
With summer and with each summer to come,
As they always will.
At home in Wimbledon we knew a Miss Tracy, whose
Husband was killed at Ypres, or on the retreat from Mons,
Or on Passchendaele Ridge, years before she’d had
A chance to meet him.
And I remember my godfather’s watery eye, from a wound
He’d received at Antwerp. And his study, illicitly entered:
His desk inlaid with leather; everything severely
Neat and masculine.
Now the boys at my old school just have history books
With revision points in boxes at the end of each chapter.
Their classrooms fill and empty, fill and empty,
As the terms wear on.
And the pages of their books turn idly in the mind:
The Schlieffen Plan; the Archduke; the main battles;
The movement of the front lines during 1918;
A chapter on Versailles.
Bells ring for tea, evening prep, bedtime, while outside
The night descends on empty playing-fields.
Across the darkness the lights come on in dormitories
And private rooms.
In France, visitors arrive first thing every morning,
As if they were visiting a cathedral.
In the distance a tractor lumbers across a field
And birds rise in the sun.
Lovely poem. Who wrote it?
Me!
Well, hats off to you!
Beautiful
Beautiful and very moving.
That brought a lump to my throat.
I’m currently putting together a piece on my father’s life. He died in 1988, aged 65, when I was 33. All I know is that he fought in N Africa and Italy. I’ve put in for his records, but they are taking a long time to come.
When my father died, my mother’s grief was so overwhelming that ours just had to wait until she too had passed away, which she did this summer.
Then like a dam burst, I mourned my father properly for the first time.
My mother always hated talking about the past – no point in looking backwards, she would say. The past is done and buried, look to the future. So we never asked about the past. Never asked what my father did during the war. And no chance to do so now.
I think this was posted earlier, but worth repeating.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.01.20222315v1
UK Study on Covid risks living with children….there are none
Them. Them up there. The ones in charge. Woke up one day in a new world. A world where most of the people of the world had worked out that nation fighting nation was a waste of everything. We’d had centuries of that. Achieved nothing. Followed by decades of freedom. Meant that us, the little people, could travel that world, meet those other people, other little people, in real life. Not at the other end of a gun, kill or be killed, not even a Christmas truce football match on a shelled-out bog in Flanders that no one had the first fucking clue why it was worth fighting over. We found out they are just like us in more ways than we imagined. All of them. Those other little people. And different in ways we find interesting. Uplifting, Fun. Exhilirating. Not threatening. And we just weren’t going to do it any more. Couldn’t. They’re our friends and we theirs. We can’t fight them, nor they us. How can you? You can’t head to to the trenches to fire guns at your friends, or fly planes to drop bombs on the people who made you welcome, at home, who you did business with. We know them now. We know better than we did.
That was the day them, them up there, the ones in charge realised they’d lost control. They can’t make us make war against other different people again. Because they aren’t very different. Not enough to kill them. So they realised, them, them up there, the next war they need to make us fight among ourselves. Individually. One to one. Make everyone a threat, a carrier of disease and death. The other little people, all individuals, all of them are your enemy, “Fight them”, they said, them, them up there. “That way you all lose. And us, us up here, we win.”
Great comment.
Identity politics has been pushed because it divides people.
Black vs White
Westerners vs Muslims
Men vs Women
Divide and Rule
It’s the reason that immigration is pushed.
What can be better for a ruling group than to have the ruled fractured along as many different lines of identity as possible?
Just one thing – stop individuals from meeting each other outside the nuclear family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxK56magHxE footage of the first Remembrance Sunday in 1919. Despite the recent Spanish flu, no masks, no social distancing. Apparently people at the time didn’t get the hang of solemn remembrance and used the occasion as more a celebration of the year anniversary of the Armistice.
From my understanding of the Spanish flu, things were back to normal by spring 1919.
yes, you are correct. I’m alluding to a general feeling that SD and masks may be with us quite a while after the pandemic is considered to have passed. Hope I’m wrong.
So sad to see the Cenotaph practically deserted. Only 26 veterans allowed to be present, 26! I bet all the useless politicians will still be there, full of their own self-importance.
..and another well done!
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1325372816636727297?s=20
A very strong indication that C-19 is seasonal and all our interventions are useless or at best marginal. This graph from Spain shows the first wave and LD came late and had no effect on the natural progress. The seasonal wave is coming despite everything put in place to “stop” it.Only herd immunity will stop it as always before in the history of respiratory viruses.
https://twitter.com/plaforscience/status/1325193824851927042/photo/1
“It’s not seasonal! Only restrictions are containing it!! But it was lower when LESS restrictions were active, & it is being higher with more stringent measures So it indeed IS seasonal Restrictions shown no evidence working, maybe the opposite We can’t keep going against LOGIC”
Of course THEY can and are doing it… It the acceptance of >99% of the UMAN CATTLE.
You won’t have seen or heard this on the BBC, on Sky or ITV or indeed in the MSM more generally…but the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission in the USA, Trey Trainor believes there was voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential election.. You can see the interview on Newsmax.
If ex University Labour Club chair Jon Sopel ever gets round to reporting this he will no doubt attempt to diminish and dismiss the remarks by referring to Trainor as a “Trump loyalust” or similar in true MSM fashion.
You have to search quite hard to find that. Google ‘Federal Election Commission’ and up pop lots of statements denying fraud.
Big Tech has gone too far to back down. If they do lose in spite of their utterly blatant censorship, antitrust action is coming to them hard.
A link would be good.
https://www.wtma.com/news/trey-trainor-to-newsmax-tv-voter-fraud-is-taking-place/
Thanks.
Google is not our friend, it is the Enemy.
Yes the MSM in the US are actively censoring anything that is not pro Biden (or Bidet as someone else on here describes him)
Or Bi(d)den as far as the globalists are concerned.
Joe yearns to do their bidding.
The government guidance for Remembrance Day will turn your stomach (ASD, T&T, no singing etc.). Don’t bother, let me summarise for you: the bastards that are stealing *all* our freedoms don’t want you to honour the people (your relatives, maybe) who fought and died for those freedoms. So get out there and do it this morning.
To the fallen, we salute you.
To those ‘in power’…you are not worth my invective; you are the lowest of the low.
In each case, but for very different reasons, “we will remember them”.
(Bit late but accidentally posted on old page)
WM Police apologise for misinterpreting the rules on facemasks in Sainsburys:
Link – https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store
Sorry but this kind of stuff is happening far too often. Apologising after the event when you’ve had a rash of bad publicity is not acceptable. All police forces, supermarkets etc should be issuing the full correct guidance centrally and making it clear there will be consequences if individuals overstep the mark. These little Hitlers are having too much fun and should find the selves on the wrong end of a discrimination suit.
Abso-fucking-lutely
On the positive side, that page printed out can and will now serve as an excellent putdown of anyone daring to molest us non-maskers anywhere from now on.
Sadly the Police apology is incorrect. The officer stated that it was the law to wear a mask even when the man stated that he was exempt and upon further questioning revealed why. At NO stage did the officer state that it was a legal requirement to show an exemption card.
The police then instructed this man to leave the store as he did not have a mask on.
Simon Dolan asked Sainsbury’s to respond as well – nothing as yet. Sainsbury’s is just as complicit as the police. Poor customer treatment!!
Amen.
These are unprecedented times and we’re all adapting to the new legislation and guidance which has changed many times during the pandemic.
I adapted to it by reading it for a few minutes, that’s why I instantly knew the police in the video were wrong. Why can’t the police do that?
Another good reason to boycott Sainsbury’s!
Toby says: “You know you’re over the target when you start taking flak.” I fear that thought is what fuels Hancock, Whitty and Vallance daily, as their world starts to crumble around them.
On a brighter note, I haven’t, in months, seen so many riders, walkers, cyclists, joggers pass my door, many of them of a distinctly elderly persuasion. It’s like a widespread active, but silent, protest at being locked up again.
Off now to the village War Memorial – I hope and pray that there will be a few there.
Let me preface this by saying I fully support Remembrance Day.
Look at the parallels of the present situation to 1914.
‘Three weeks to flatten the curve’ vs ‘It’ll be over by Christmas’
In 1914 just as in 2020, there was a massive propaganda campaign to persuade people – ie all those stories of German troops violating Belgian nuns etc. – totally untrue
..and of course: “we’re all in it together”
Control through fear and emotional manipulation.
‘Remembrance’ is by definition a systemically racist nostalgia for times when manners, responsibility, order and bravery were the norm and so any ‘Day’ of celebration would have been cancelled (or at least corrupted/diluted/insulted) anyway in these ‘progressive’ days where memory of finer things must be wiped clean.
The Sylvia Pankhurst scene from “Oh what a lovely war” shows beautifully how the propaganda of today matches that of the WW1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yhWM24uMZQ
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1325385268757737472?s=20
The Downfall parody is quality. Laugh out loud stuff. Thank you to whoever put it together. You’re a genius.
yes, I wanted to thank the maker too. It’s marvellous. Gleeful. Ruthlessly clever. Send the link to everyone!
Interesting article in the Spectator by Philip Thomas – Professor of Risk Management at the University of Bristol
Is the cost of another lockdown too high?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-the-cost-of-another-lockdown-too-high-
As per the calculations:
The number of average lives lost from reduced economic output due to lockdowns: 560,000
Average lives lost from COVID in the worst case scenario: 45,000
(‘Average lives lost’ is not the number of people that die, but a calculation based on the expected number of living years lost by each death).
Is it not the case that the ministers of a government introducing such murderous measures are guilty of crimes against humanity?
You betcha!
That calculation has been done many times already, in Germany by Prof. Raffelhueschen.
It’s stunning, butalways ignored.
Old, fat, white mens remaining life years simply count much more than those of any other people, least of all do those of young brown ones living in Africa count, of course.
It’s important to note that Philip Thomas was stating this at the beginning of the first Lockdown
I have no patience left for any argument – from any side – that sssumes some kind of pandemic is continuing.
It’s over.
I’m with you… Now it’s just for FUN.
Lets pump up the fear a tad more!
https://www.rt.com/uk/506073-covid-world-war3-general-warns/
That’s not bad at all… In case of “war” they give slaves weapons so the slaves can start killing these home made terrorists first!
FORGET THE PAST… Embrace the NEW FUTURE!
ALL ARE WELCOME
Should that not read “Impfungen macht frei”?
Not enough space! But the UMAN CATTLE loves a good vaccine.
I cannot find words to describe how disgusting I find the treatment of our Veterans – How dare that yellow bellied coward Boris Johnson treat the very people who gave their lives for this country, who fought for the freedoms he has snatched away. Just how dare this excuse for a man, excuse for a Prime Minister disrespect our Veterans in such a way. For this alone he (and his inept front bench should be hounded out of office.
Yes Johnson brought big shame on this country. Not fit to be PM
Sound the hounds!
Special MESSAGE from the NHS to Helene Guldberg:
If anyone wants to find out about local marches, do email sorukteam@saveourrights.uk. Write ‘National Action’ in the subject line stating where you live.
Great to see a couple of hundred people gathered around the Cenotaph in our local town. Very little in the way of social distancing and masks.
Been at the cenotaph on Whitehall as advertised, only I wasn’t, because we were fenced into parliament square by the Churchill statue and couldn’t see the proceedings because they’d erected a 7foot fence with a blackout screen all along it – absolutely disgusting treatment of the dead, the mourners and those paying respects. Beautifully observed minutes silence interrupted only by the press cameras clicking away at the crowds of ~500 people or so, barely any of them masked up I’d say maybe less than 10% were wearing face coverings. I walked past 3 police officers in Westminster tube station and not one asked for my “exemption” in fact they were all very polite and wished me a good day.
Gives you hope there is more resistance than it feels sometimes.
There were eight of us plus the minister at our local war memorial. No masks. I also heard from two of my contacts who are church ministers that they would be holding their services this morning as normal.
The church can help to show the way out of this if only we learn to ‘obey God rather than men’.
It’s encouraging to hear that (assuming you are in England) some churches intending to carry on as normal today.
Yes I am in the UK.
Cannot even start to think which moron have decided to do this and WHY??
He’s worried about being labelled an anti-vaxxer.
A while back I read that this vaccine is no better than taking Lemsip. It appears to be unable to prevent infection, but it can lessen the symptoms. Like the flu vaccine It does not help the elderly. The manufacturers are indemnified to the hilt against bad effects. The vaccine is being rushed through and cannot be tested adequately. What’s not to like?
I’m surprised Toby is voting for it when Yeadon says it is unnecessary for COVID-19 which has a 99.7% recovery rate.
What have I got wrong?
It is far too late in the day to be woried about being labelled anything.
An effective vaccination for C-19 is neither possible nor necessary.
Big Tech can take you down, remember,
Especially if you express doubts about vaccination. Toby is constantly under the eye of lefty Tobyphobes who will report him for anything.
Oddly, I read “Tobyphobes” as “PollyToynbees”. Need my eyes testing.
The government national lockdown 2 Guidance on the wearing of face coverings states:
The assertion “The best available scientific evidence” is simply false. But even if the claim were accurate, the making of face coverings mandatory would be completely undermined by the clause “when used correctly”. One has to wonder how it is possible that the experts and government ministers are completely unaware how ordinary people use these masks? Such knowledge would only require a few minutes of observation. People put them in their pockets and bags. They constantly touch them and then touch themselves and other things. They drop them on the floor, pick them up and put them on. They take them off, by the mask, fold it up and put it away and then touch their face. Surely all those clever behavioural scientist people on the SAGE sub-committee knew that the general population would not use face masks “correctly”. One might almost think that the making of face coverings mandatory was intended to increase respiratory illnesses.
Originally, it was “In certain circumstances, a face covering might provide a small benefit in protecting others”. The ‘certain circumstances’ and the ‘used correctly’ are not defined, of course, because the former is licking, coughing on or spitting on someone, and the latter is impossible to implement in everyday use. Interesting that both texts mention not protecting the wearer, but Joe Public Esq. still thinks it’s a gas mask.
I do not know what you mean by originally, but before the middle of this year all the health authorities, on the basis of decades of research that showed face masks do not prevent the transmission of respiratory viral infection, recommended against face masks for the general population. The World Health Organisation, for example, only reversed its recommendation on 8 June 2020, and this was done, not on the basis of scientific evidence, but “political lobbying”, as even the BBC reported. Unfortunately, the BBC did not report who did the lobbying. If anyone knows, I would much appreciate their sharing it.
masks4all.org.uk
Part of global ‘organization‘
One of the founders of this sick and perverted ‘organisation’ is
“A digital activist using her background in digital marketing to campaign for real societal and political change”
Who the f*ck is she speaking on behalf of?! If these parasites want to change society, then they should enter politics and get elected, instead of skulking in the shadows like the bunch of gutless cowards that they so clearly are.
I doubt that organisation would have sufficient influence on the World Health Organisation unless it was understood that they were speaking on behalf on much more substantial interests.
Could the ‘circumstances’ include being on another planet possibly?
The key word is ‘may’, as in ‘Rubbing dog dirt into your gums may offer some protection against covid.’
Exactly what is shown on the packet of face masks I looked at in the supermarket yesterday.
These facemasks ‘may‘ help in reducing the spread…blah…blah
All bullshit and completely ignored by the people who wear them, might as well instruct people to ware a cape and declare themselves as superman for the good it will do.
I might win the lottery this year. I might have a luck 15 finally pay out.
It also seems to conflate this…
“reduce the spread of coronavirus droplets in certain circumstances”
…with reducing spread and transmission of viral particles by implying that “coronavirus droplets” are the issue needing tackled, and that the problem ends at that point.
Certainly, a mask may stop “coronavirus droplets” spreading —because those droplets then evaporate from the mask surface or are subject to nebulisation as the wearer forces air through the mask. Those particles then spread. So it’s a lie by omission of context and mechanism; fallacy of composition?
what the hell are “coronavirus droplets”? i’ll tell you – 100% made-up nonsense. that sentence i utterly meaningless – almost certainly intentionally
Here in Montreal the Transport people have posted cartoon images in bus shelters and all along the train tracks of 18 ways not to wear a mask. They think it’s amusing and cute.Two days ago I saw two Suicide Hot line posters in a dark corner of the station, near the end of the train. I am going to photograph them today. Disgusting.
there’s definitely no such thing as “coronavirus droplets” – which therefore totally invalidates the whole sentence – it’s totally meaningless
Re Mr Bidet. Is anyone else not reminded of Old Scrotum, the ‘wrinkled retainer’, in Viv Stanshall’s Henry at Rawlinson End? He was a shameless groper, also. And played by a now dead Irish actor, like Mr Bidet in fact.
During lockdown 1. The Council relaxed two hour parking bays regarding them as normal residents parking because, with everyone expected to stay indoors except for absolute essentials, the idea of several householders emerging every two hours to shuffle their cars around was absurd.
This time the bastards have not and Key Worker Traffic Wardens are out issuing tickets as usual.
Yesterday a chance stranger asked about the status of three bays opposite me as she could see no signs. I know them to be two hour bays but indeed there was no signage.
Whether fallen off or removed by malice or caprice my understanding is that, in the absence of correct signage, the default position is a free for all.
Anyone know any different?
I’m sure that’s correct. Our council periodically come and check lines and signage are visible because they know they can’t issue fines if they are not.
There has to be a sign, but it might well mean that the accused has to prove that there was no sign at the time – which is of course the very opposite of the presumption of innocence. This country did not become a totalitarian society on 23 March 2020; it has been in the process of becoming one for decades.
Now what to do with those pesky signs?
I live opposite some parking bays, one of which is blue badge. When the traffic wardens issue tickets, they always take a picture of the signs as well.
If you search on this title you get this document: ‘Positive strategies for sustaining adherence to infection control behaviours’.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/933227/S0828_SPI-B_-_Positive_strategies_for_sustaining_adherence_to_infection_control_behaviours.pdf
Association between living with children and outcomes from COVID-19: an OpenSAFELY cohort study of 12 million adults in England
This could be big – The study showed no increased risk of transmission between children and adults, when living together. Indeed, there is evidence that adults may actually be safer:
H/T Hugh Osmond on Twitter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8925321/Millions-elderly-vulnerable-free-Vitamin-D-government.
the bit that made me chuckle was- Hancock decided he had to act fast
Indeed.
However why has this not been NHS policy for the last 50 years? Many scientists, functional medicine doctors, nutritionists and organisations have been saying this forever but was either silenced or censored. The same with many other affordable treatments/solutions.
judging by the empty shelves in Sainsburys word has got round. By contrast strepsils, lemsip and nurofen on discount. Never seen that before
Wonder if they will repost all the YT videos and other posts that were censored for suggesting that Vit D could help in the fight against the ‘virus’
Yesterday’s shift on the Sainsbury’s checkouts was less pleasant than it should have been. I was serving a masked man, probably in his 50s, who seemed friendly enough. After him two more customers arrive, a well-dressed woman of around 80 years of age, unmasked, and masked middle-age woman with a large trolley’s worth of shopping.
As the old lady doesn’t have much shopping, she starts helping the other woman with unloading hers. As she’s moving towards the payment end of the conveyor belt, the monotonous peace of of checkout work is interrupted by a sudden shout of “Get back now!” from the masked bandit at the beginning of story.
The old lady is struck dumb for a minute, so Maskman continues with his verbal assault: “You’ve come within two metres of me, you’re not wearing a mask, so get away right now.”
In shock and embarrassment, the woman dutifully complies. As a uniformed employee, I can’t do much besides remind the villain that some people are exempt from wearing masks, to which he replies “Yeah, but anyone could be carrying ‘it’,” and then console the woman and offer her my private sympathies once Maskman had buggered off back to his fortress of bog roll and baked beans.
What kind of a man can possibly feel righteous in shouting at, and making a public spectacle of, a good-natured elderly woman, whose only ‘error’ is a minor infraction of a totally baseless government guideline. What kind of a man?
Regrettably, as we all knew on here anyway, this was the inevitable by-product of making masks mandatory, exacerbated especially by such perverts as Police Commissioner Dick, whose name at least brings a flicker of a schoolboy grin to my face: “My hope is that people who are not complying will be shamed into complying or shamed to leave the store by the store keepers or by other members of the public.”
It’s easy (and quite possibly correct) to paint Maskman as some sort of odious little Hitler figure who works in the arse end of some council department and lives for nothing besides the joy of Schadenfreude. However, he was far removed from his admittedly tiny wits, consumed with a genuine fear of this unmasked person’s presence. He is like the old wife, who, on seeing a mouse scurry across the pantry floor, starts shrieking at it and beating it with a broom; the bigger, stronger figure is sent into a panic by a weaker, harmless and disinterested figure and has no means of response other than violent attack. It’s useless trying to appeal to their sense of reason, because it has been totally suppressed by emotion.
If you have any elderly neighbours, please look out for them throughout this second lockdown.
They are PATHETIC sad individuals who think that they are going to live forever.
Treat them with the contempt they deserve.
If I had been in that queue I would have given that shit both barrels …and got a lot closer to him than 2 metres!
“I was serving a masked man…” Gotta say, I immediately pictured The Lone Ranger standing at the till!
A coward, bet he wouldnt have done it to a young 6ft+ bloke.
They’re all cowards. My wife, when on her own, has been harassed several times for being maskless, but it’s never happened to me. These ‘people’ always target those they perceive to be weaker than themselves.
I was absolutely horrified by the Police Commissioner’s comment, which is effectively inciting disorder. I am surprised she has been allowed to continue in her position.
Fetida Dick
Makes us all feel sick.
She will not get absolution
For this loathsome persecution.
Small and perfectly formed. The Faberge egg, if you will, of dissident poetry.
Shows she was told to say it.
Wonderfully observed and written Ben, thank you.
Misfeasance in public office may be easier to prove than malfeasance (highlighting mine):
From a legal website:
What is misfeasance defined as in the UK?
A form of misconduct, misfeasance in public office occurs when a public official, public servant or public body knowingly and willingly acts in a manner with the realisation that their actions are likely to cause loss or harm to another.
The action is legal, but is performed in a way that harms another.
Misfeasance is often confused with negligence, whereby an individual does not carry out their role or responsibilities with a correct level of care which results in harm to another.
Negligence generally involves harm to another as a result of carelessness, error or lack of judgement, whereas misfeasance requires a greater degree of culpability on the part of the person concerned, often when the person has intentionally committed an act that would be to the detriment of another and often where there has been an abuse of that person’s power or position of responsibility.
What is a public official?
UK law defines a public official as an individual who is in a position of authority. The individual will hold a judicial, legislative or administrative position, whether this is appointed or elected.
Examples of public officials in the UK include:
1 Members of the police force
2 Members of the armed forces
3 Government ministers
4 Local government officials
5 Civil servants
6 Prison officers
7 Security agencies including immigration and border control
Public officials are also known as public officers. Each case of alleged misfeasance must be assessed individually where public officials are involved. The nature of the officer’s role, their duties and the level of trust – directly or indirectly – placed upon them by the public will all be considered.
Misfeasance and the law:
Those in a position of authority are obliged to use their powers for public good. If these powers are abused by the public official to the detriment of a third party, a case of misfeasance in public office may arise.
Misfeasance in the medical profession may arise if a doctor prescribed the wrong medication to a patient, or alternatively prescribed the wrong dosage of medication, which then caused harm to the patient or left a lasting impact on their health. The doctor has not deliberately set out to harm the patient, but their actions may have resulted in such.
Where there is more deliberate intent, there can naturally be an overlap with these types of offences, whereby sometimes they may amount to specific offence, such as an assault or administering a noxious substance for example.
What factors are needed for a case of misfeasance to be proven?
For a case of misfeasance to be proven and prosecuted, two factors must be present:
1 The misconduct was carried out by a public officer
2 The misconduct resulted in personal injury, financial loss or damage to your reputation
If these factors are determined, the act of misconduct will be investigated to determine:
What the public official did
1 Why they acted in such a way
For the case to be successful and for the offence of misfeasance in public office to be proven, the prosecution in the case must demonstrate that the public official:
1 Intended to cause the damage, loss or injury
2 Had no concern for the third party in respect of the damage, loss or injury
It must be proven that the public officer deliberately acted in contravention of their position of authority.
Misfeasance in public office is an indictable offence which can only be heard in the crown court.
My brother in law, his partner, her daughter, son in law and grandchildren have got Covid.
Now my brother in law is 69, overweight with angina and for a few days he did feel “rough” (shaky legs and stomach pains) but now he feels like he’s got a moderate cold.
His partner (65) and family feel perfectly ok.
Now I have got a real life scenario to report on to fellow sceptics to prove that it’s not a “we’re all going to die” situation.
Not that I’m going to feel a sense of Schadenfreude but he was/is a (low level) collaborator who blamed the spread of the virus on “Mingling”
Indeed. The ‘we most protect the vulnerable’ narrative must be weeded out.
The Overweight NHS staff that are lounging at home on full pay due to being ‘shielded’ must return to work immediately or No work No pay.
According to my jingle
You get Covid if you mingle,
But an antisocial git
Is wholly safe from it.
To back this up. My wife had Covid. I am a heart attack survivor, 44 years old and medicated everyday. She was in the same bed as me for days before she was ill and a few days into the symptoms. I NEVER GOT SICK. not one thing. And I was at one point convinced the virus would see me out.
I heard (or read?) yesterday that people living in the same household as a ”sufferer” have only a 15 per cent chance of contracting it, no matter WHAT precautions are taken.
Be proud.
How do you know they have covid?
I get that they have ‘tested positive’.
I get that your brother-in-law has these symptoms.
However,
Many who test ‘positive’ do not have these symptoms.
and
Many with them same symptoms have not tesed ‘positive’
So,
how do we know that one caused the other?
Yes, tested positive.
Just back from the village war memorial up the road. Fair turn out, not as many as normal, but certainly not scarce. Several masks and sadly, a few with mask and poppy; wearing a symbol of freedom and a symbol of surrender at the same time. Young serviceman wearing red beret and mask. Angry, but it’s not about me.
Last post and Reveille were recorded, as bugles are deadly, of course. Generally succesful event, and certainly no interruption or police overreach.
Saddest part, though was the chap making the announcements asking at the beginning for us to socially distance and wear masks “Because we can’t honour the fallen if we don’t follow orders, like they followed orders, even though many never came back…”
Stupid, stupid thing to say, but he’s an old soldier, and a local one at that (Lancs Fusiliers), so I bit my lip. Had it been any other cause I would have walked away.
Main thing is an act of remembrance took place without let or hindrance.
I saw a friend yesterday and asked her if she knew anyone who had had it and she replied her uncle in law. He is in his 70s with COPD and ended up in hospital, although he has now recovered. His wife also had it and has also recovered.
A friend of mine also tested positive and her symptom was a headache.
What to make of it all?
Sorry. This should have been a reply to the previous post. My screen refreshed while I was in the process.
They followed orders.
So did the people who ran the Nazi death camps.
So, I have just got back from Westminster. More police than the closing scenes of Day of the Jackal, half of Whitehall closed off with “Manchester University” style fencing, backed with blackout material to a height of about 7ft. Because as everyone knows, even watching a Remembrance Day service from a distance these days is enough to give you a deadly dose of Covid. Beyond this barrier, the military strains of Nimrod, O Valiant Hearts etc could faintly be heard.
Nevertheless, as the hour drew towards eleven o’clock, Parliament Square filled up with a large crowd of people of all ages and backgrounds, but certainly including some ex-servicemen, who on the stroke of 11 all stood in the sunlight and faced in the direction of the Cenotaph with an immense, poignant dignity.
I don’t expect to see any of this on the BBC mind you, I expect they will have a heartwarming feature about some woman anxious to tell them how she’s standing on her doorstep observing a 2 minute silence for Our NHS Heroes this year.
How appallingly spiteful and unnecessary, blacking out the barriers. This oppression is moving so fast it’s hard to keep up and try to anticipate what else will be inflicted upon us.
Great login name! Takes me back to childhood!
I drove my grandpa to the village war memorial. Other people turned up, too. If Handcock’s goons want to fine me for it, so be it.
Well done.
I do hope that people will do the same on the day itself, 11 November, next Wednesday. We’re going to have our own Service of Remembrance at the cenotaph in our churchyard. My other half will wear medals and we’re going to sing, just the two of us.
The church remains firmly locked, probably for the first time in its 900 year history. Shameful. Absolutely shameful.
The last time churches in England and Wales were locked was during the reign of King John, when Pope Innocent III put the country under interdict for political reasons.
Even so, as my favourite history book reminds me, people were still allowed to be born or marry or die, even if it was only in church porches.
”….thankfully Biden won by a whisker..”
Not yet he hasn’t, apparently.
Whizz scam?
Well I have just got back from our local memorial service, outside in front of a cenotaph. There were more people there than in previous years. A minister lead a service. He was elderly and shaking. Later when we went to speak to him he said he had a panic attack as he feared the police might arrest him to make an example but he said it was the best thing he has ever done. There were old soldiers there in uniform and flags and bugle player.
Many people were crying all the way through it as it was so emotional and powerful. One of the old soldiers thanked the crowed for coming and was in tears. The crowd were friendly and talkative and supportive to each other. Perhaps 30 percent masked.
That is my first act of defiance today. My second is the protest in Manchester. I’ll report back to you all later.
There were about 2 dozen at our memorial, including a few veterans and the Mayor and a couple of councillors. No service as such – just the 2 minute silence and the prescribed words. No clergy.
I went and stood beside an old man I often sit near in church; he told me he had gone into church earlier and saw the rector, a reader and the organist present. He wanted to say a few prayers but the officials sent a female dogsbody to ask him to leave, which he did. I’m so upset I can hardly bear it.
The clergy seem to be conspicuous by their absence in all this madness.
We shall go ahead with our own ‘service’ on Wednesday. Perhaps that’ll flush the vicar out of his basement.
Wendy, If you get a chance, mention to your elderly minister the Martyrdom of Polycarp. At the age of 86 he was burnt at the stake in 153 or 154 AD in Smyrna. So your elderly minister is in very good company. I can send him the original Greek and my translation if he wants.
Of course, he might know the story already!
It’s never too late … especially when it dawns on you that your name is Polycarp.
Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.
I am surprised that he would carry out a ‘simple calculation of personal risk’ and conclude that it is worth having the COVID vaccine.
But to each his own. The most important thing is that we must all be given the opportunity to carry out this calculation for ourselves and our families.
I have just returned from my village war memorial where I can report there were about 45 people paying their respects and the vicar said a short prayer afterwards. Standing watching us was a lone masked high viz clad policeman!
I live in a rural village of approximately 3000, are the police doing this everywhere?
In just back from our village memorial. About 60 in attendance. Some masked some not. Disappointingly local GP was masked despite being outside and “socially distracted”. Plod was there but in dress uniform and no mask to lay wreath.
About 40 at our service in a tiny village. No masks. Socially distanced during the service but everyone stopping to chat with one another afterwards
Sadly those who were actually in the church grounds, had masks on, including some of the children. It reminded me that I really needed to pray for freedom for the children!
We are just back from our Act of Remembrance at the war memorial in the churchyard. Mr. Cedric led and 21 of us sang “O Valiant Hearts”, laid wreaths, and kept 2 minutes silence as every year. The weather was mist and drizzle so we were pleased with the turnout from our village of 250, plus one lady from an adjacent village whose great uncle is commemorated on the war memorial. No constabulary in evidence but there never are, one or two people brought masks but didn’t wear them. Socialising afterwards too!
Police at my local church/ war memorial. I like to think that they wanted to pay their respects too.
Yes, I’d like to think that too. But why the big black mask and all the hi viz stuff. Made me feel on edge.
Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.
Covid is no more dangerous than the flu – both are respiratory illnesses and the symptoms are very similar. A healthy immune system protects our bodies on a daly basis against the onslaught of viruses, bacteria and other pathogens. In addition, a big proportion of our bodies are viruses, bacteria etc, they keep us alive.
I also believe undiagnosed diabetes might have contributed to covid deaths
A day that will live in infamy
Infamy is getting a bit congested!
Bingham looks so wholesome bathed in soft sunlight with green foliage bokh blurred into a subtle blend of leaf and sunlight. She’s even have a make over from her crew cut image of just a week or two ago. Glasses off – interesting since she needs them. Also interesting to see it’s a like for like duplication of ‘Fergusson the Angel’ image we had shoved at us in the early days – glasses are part of his image. The two photos maybe even be taken with the same lens – both images are doing the same job – polishing a turd. That’s not my irrevent take on it, the PR consultants use such phrase as they commitee up their strategy. Result another boring holier than thou image of a slime bucket.
Basics. I looked at the Sunday Times article and did a bit of digging on Admiral PR & Marketing, with whom the Hon Kate has been spending much public money. Companies House lists 2 directors of the company – assume husband and wife – called Collingwood-Cameron. Now, what is very interesting is that Mr (Angus) Collingwood-Cameron is from Northumberland. If you look closely, he would appear to have a link to Chillingham, a place where none other than Mary Wakefield, aka Mrs Dominic Cummings, has a not insignificant link. Wonder whether anyone might like to follow that up?
Inspector TT well done with the investigation; always is a chum
Email your findings to Toby if you’ve not already done so.
I’ve not read what TY wrote (I come here more for the comments) but it MAY release the burden in so far as it gives cover for the government to declare the pandemic is over, which of course they could have done and can do at any time from late Spring onwards.
I have just returned from my village war memorial. I was only expecting a few people, so was really pleased to see about 50, including a local veteran who is now a serving police officer in the met. I had arranged for our local celeb to read the poem, but the veteran did this, and the celeb did a speech. It went fantastically well, several wreaths were laid and we had a good chat afterwards. Lots of passing traffic slowed down. Clergy notable by their absence – probably because they were doing there ersatz services on zoom.
So glad to have been there, and secretly a bit chuffed and smug to have sorted out the speech – just a huge bonus to have a serviceman, replete with medals, turn up and agree to participate.
Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.
My partner just went to check – they are still there. Wonder if they will be there tomorrow. I don’t think names were on the wreaths, but all people need to do is refuse the penalty notice and opt to go to court. When courts eventually get around to dealing with cases (not likely, as CPS unlikely to proceed with cases as not in public interest) how likely is it that they will issue a fine for laying the wreath? The “infection” angle is so stupid – who is going to touch a wreath anyway? except environmental health!
Oh dear! But things are moving so quickly in the Prole Control programme that what sounds bonkers today may well be the norm tomorrow.
So Sage wants to cancel Christmas, well they haven’t got a cats chance in hell here, we have already started the festivities, decorations are up, visiting friends (some mask ones excluded). Our plan is to have in effect two Christmases, one on the 25 November and one on 25 December, fully commercial, the works….
So go and stuff your sage and onion stuffing SAGE.
One of their goons seriously thinks we should move Christmas to Summer.
Says it all really.
Sage burning rituals are great for cleansing evil spirits though.
Just watched the Cenotaph ceremony on the BBC, one of the few things the Beeb still do well. David Dimbleby’s commentary sets the right tone. Queen watching from balcony. All her children with the exception of Prince Andrew laid wreaths. Prince Harry also absent, not surprisingly as he has rejected his royal heritage. I know that Andrew is now persona non grata, but it does seem strange that he is the only one of his royal generation to have seen active service (Falklands conflict) and yet he is excluded from the nation’s act of remembrance. Boris Johnson looking the total idiot that he is, poorly groomed as usual, not quite as bad as Michael Foot in a donkey jacket all those years ago but not far off. John Major, David Cameron and Theresa May all looking statesman/woman-like. Tony Blair present but I didn’t get a look at him. Not sure if Gordon Brown present. The march-past by veterans, always impressive and moving,cancelled,
Yes it was better than expected. Could do without Blackford in a kilt though.
I was feeling moved and tearful till I read that then, lol.
Anyone know why the barriers at Westminster were blacked out?
Pettiness.
Boris Johnson congratulating Biden on ‘winning’ the US election…. Biden hasn’t won as you well know
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1325134660591087616
Biden hates Britain. The Dems hate Brexit and Britain and Boris.
Yes, it continually amazes me how our MSM cheers for the Dreadful Dems. As you say, they’ll be no friend to the UK, and I foresee blackmail re Brexit as they are pro-EU.
Lest we forget how much you have done to destroy it…. Keir Starmer
https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1325399184346898434
And we will remember those who sacrificed so much of our freedom.
He and others like him are the reason I no longer wear a poppy.
The thought that organisations such as the BBC are such poppyists but undermine our borders and our culture while seeking to trash our history, eradicate our memories and sign us up to an Orwellian future should give pause for thought. ,
Likewise just back from local War Memorial. Seemed very quiet and then about 200 people had appeared by 11. No clergy! Very moving, lots of tears. After two minute silence a veteran stepped forward and planted a wooden cross. He was shaking. Quite a few police but no arrests!
Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.
It’s one think gassing 20 million mink, just imagine what’s going to happen when the 1st cat to human (we’ve had human to cat) or dog to human infection takes place. Oh well, no more dog poo bags lobbed over our wall…. every cloud!
Never mind that wait until it appears in the food chain. We eat too much meat according to the Great Reset Agenda don’t we. You think Foot and Mouth culling was bad? This will be off the scale.
foot and mouth also very largely a false flag ferguson modelling very few of the culled animals were infected
Wandered down to local war memorial (Southport). Not as many as usual but around 80+. Military Police in attendance (they are nearby in Pontins for the testing Liverpool). Damien Moore the MP (Con) looked uncomfortable. Actually he looked scared. Constantly looking around. At this moment i realised we DO have a chance of winning this. These people are weak and they are cowards. And they are expecting people to snap and take direct action. It is only a matter of time.
Check the memorial now to see if the wreaths are still there. From a post above, it is likely that Environmental Health have removed them for burning, and all the tags taken to issue fixed penalty notices to the organisers.
Moore never answers my e mails, and the army are welcome to Pontins.
Report from Telford Town Park memorial. I counted 60-70 well-spaced individuals (including a few dogs and small children) present. A few veterans identifiable from their dress, a few more from their bearing. No clergy or officials and no form of service or organisation. Just a spontaneous gathering Somebody played the last post from their phone at 11 and everyone dispersed 2 minutes later.
A few hundred feet away the Asda carpark was absolutely heaving. Glad I went, but feeling pretty low about the attitudes and priorities of many of my fellow citizens.
No clergy.
What a surprise.
I mean, it isn’t as if Christianity has anything to do with life, or death, or self-sacrifice, or saving the world from evil.
The man in charge of Biden’s Covid team
“Vivek Murthy Dad, Husband, 19th Surgeon General of the United States, Author of NYT Best Seller TOGETHER: The Healing Power of Human Connection in a Sometimes Lonely World”
https://twitter.com/vivek_murthy/status/1294751324232470528 3 key points on masks and C-191. Masks are low cost life savers. 2. We need universal mask mandates. Waiting for an outbreak to mask up is acting too late. 3. Our government should be making billions of good quality masks for the PUBLIC. They are a best buy
Depressing, too many see this as a nice earner
https://twitter.com/sheepskindee/status/1325393606107131905
Just glimpsed this number in an article
$76,424,516,944,816,700.00
Is it the amount the Chancellor has borrowed?
It’s the cost of the call for ET to phone home: https://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/13764-here-s-how-much-it-would-have-cost-for-e-t-to-phone-home
Looks like $76 Quadrillion to me.
Just I and one other at my local memorial. Couldn’t even get a peep out of the other attendee who scuttled straight off, but at least the silence was observed.
Saturday 7th November
12.30 – At a rally in Stroud, Glos UK Jonathan Trapman read the Common Law Right to Conscience in the face of a multitude of Police Officers intent on arrest. This reading of what has been dubbed the Common Law Miranda rights, put the police on notice that any interference, harm, injury or attempted arrest under illegal diktats not of the Common Law would invoke arrest of each officer.
The Police stood down and retreated. The first public evidence of the Common Law properly executed in situ. Arrests were however made of the organiser and several others. Those responsible for such arrests will be criminally prosecuted under the Common Law.
https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/sovereign-being.html
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.
Good stuff. Please let us know the outcome.
Hi Basics, are you able to confirm accuracy of the report?
We Will Rock You! (Pandemic edition) – https://youtu.be/kbaYFHoaii4
My report from this morning’s venture.
Nobody from my street joined my invitation to join me at the local war memorial;
Generally congenial atmosphere out with little distancing/masks/paranoia;
Flower seller: the little children, their terrible lives for the next 50 years, and it’s our fault. Especially mentioned debt;
Random person visiting grandparents’ graves: We voted them in so we have to do what they say. Thinks this is super dangerous – no they didn’t lock down for Spanish flu – yes this is less dangerous than Spanish flu – we have to do what we have to do (ie lock down);
Young couple in the military: ‘Of course we’ll win. – the military support the labs and the government and the NHS and the vaccination program’.
Oh dear. How on earth do you counter those ideas??
The flower lady has my vote for PM.
Yes, I came home with a heavy heart, especially in the light of that school which has invited the military in for their vaccinations, with what? This is happening tomorrow, right?
Bumping:
Mrs S:
If people want to actually do something useful please email the head of the Liverpool school that is proposing to have the army test pupils for coronavirus without parental consent.
The people carrying out these unethical and illegal actions have names and (email) addresses and we need to advise them.
Non medically qualified squaddies shoving stuff up the nose of kids without informed consent is assault. Law and medical ethics do not get thrown out of the window because covid.
Please send a short, polite email to the head. It might make her stop and think whether she could be liable.
enquiries@BroadgreenInternationalSchool.com
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This is a potential minefield as it covers three different age groups.
The youngest age but largest group are 11-15 year olds
The middle group are 16/17 year olds
The oldest group are the few 18 year olds in the final year.
Starting with the smallest group, as these are adults they don’t need any involvement of their parents and can consent/decline as they wish.
The middle group are deemed to have capacity and can consent if they wish, this cannot be overruled by their parents. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/children/.
It is the youngest group that causes the biggest headache. Under the mental capacity act they are deemed NOT to have capacity to consent/decline. The next step has to be undertaken on an individual basis. Each child has to be assessed as to whether they are “Gillick” competent. This involves ensuring that they understand the procedure, able to retain the information and understand the risks. If the answer to all of these questions is yes then they can consent or decline, however this could be overruled by a person with parental responsibility.
If the answer to any question is no then a person with parental responsibility MUST be asked.
The government has said a parent, carer or legal guardian would have to be present for a Covid-19 test to take place under the powers given to Public Health England in the Coronavirus Act. It adds that the act doesn’t give the authorities the power to detain a child for 14 days without their parents’ knowledge or permission and that it’s most likely that a child would be asked to self-isolate for 14 days at home with their family if they did not voluntarily comply with public health advice, but if this is not possible, other avenues would be discussed. From https://fullfact.org/online/children-coronavirus-act/
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I’d like to know what’s being done about this by the professionals. Letters need to the MP and Local Authority, Ofsted, Daily Mail etc etc
Just emailed this outfit. https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/
A small crowd at our War Memorial. About 10% of the number that came out for George Flloyd is my guess – sick really.
All quiet – way too many police for my liking – just lurking around everywhere. Not necessarily unfriendly, but not required. Unmasked happily though.
A few masks in the crowd, but more naked faced.
Bacon shortages loom as road hauliers are not allowed into Britain if they have been in Denmark. Denmark is the largest exporter of pork products into the UK. More on that from the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54861880
This is a slippery road to food shortages in general.
Plenty of good British pork – at the moment. Let’s hope they can step up their production.
Must buy more Lincolnshire sausages from local butcher. They have shops and supply the restaurant trade but have switched more to retail, even opening a deli.
That’ll energize the panic-buying fraternity. Queues coming to a Co-op near you now.
Many British pigs will be reading this with a certain trepidation.
Stopped eating Danish bacon a long time ago. They’re horrid to their pigs, unless you buy free range organic, and if you’re going to do that, why wouldn’t you go for British pork?
For the benefit of my BBC adoring FIL – is it true that they have signed something to say that they won’t go against the narrative? If so, can it be found anywhere? I’m guessing prob not, but worth an ask. He has just told us that if he goes into a home, he doesn’t want us to visit in case he gives it to us FFS. Like we give a shit whether we get it or not! Still convinced it’s that deadly!!! I used to think he was intelligent.
Ofcom released guidance and a warning for broadcasters to stick to the message. Eammon Holmes cam out and said as much on a GMB episode at the beginning
That’s right – I remember him getting in a spot of bother about that now – thank you.
the lockdown should not be able to stand given that the data on which it was based was totally untrue. apart from the fact that no government should ever have the power to remove our freedoms like this
This is exactly the point the opposition party should be making, shame we no longer have one!
Just spotted this, new rules needed to fight climate change in the UK, everyone to play their part; brace, brace brace:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54832236
Yep, people getting bored of corona-porn, so out comes the climate change porn instead
Fight it all every step of the way
I saw a post online a year or so ago, there was a report that est. the carbon emissions caused by the mass migration of large numbers of people, generally of course the direction of travel is from Africa & the Middle East, to Europe. Can’t remember all the specifics but it est. the increases in total CO2 emissions as being in the hundreds of thousands of tonnes of CO2, not just in the mass movement of people, but also other factors (changes in consumption, etc). Suggests the best thing people can do to save the planet is to campaign for reductions in mass migration – enforce the borders! block the ports. block the beaches; save the planet!!
Another irrational scare based on dodgy models. What could possibly go wrong …
I think the behavioural scientists will have a much harder time getting people on board with this. It’s quite hard to ramp up the ‘personal threat’ with it.
How’s this for doom mongering. I think he gets the prize. Form the Guardian:
Third world war a risk in wake of pandemic, says UK defence chief
PA: The economic fallout during the coronavirus pandemic has made the prospect of a third world war “a risk”, the UK’s most senior military commander has said.
General Sir Nick Carter, the chief of the defence staff made the comments when asked by Sky News in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday whether he feared the global economic crisis brought on by coronavirus could lead to war.
He told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme there was a worry that the increase in regional conflicts playing out across the world could ramp up into “a full-blown war”, mirroring the run-up to the two world wars in the 20th century when a series of alliances between countries led to years of bloodshed.
The senior official argued that, with the world being “a very uncertain and anxious place” during the pandemic, there was the possibility “you could see escalation lead to miscalculation”.
“We have to remember that history might not repeat itself but it has a rhythm and if you look back at the last century, before both world wars, I think it was unarguable that there was escalation which led to the miscalculation which ultimately led to war at a scale we would hopefully never see again,” said Carter.
Asked whether he was saying there was a “real threat” of a third world war, he replied: “I’m saying it’s a risk and we need to be conscious of those risks
I am saying there is a risk of a massive asteroid colliding with the planet that will destroy our species and many others.
And the Man in the Moon is planning an. invasion of earth using space ships made of green cheese. Be afraid.
(No need to fear a world war, BTW. You just lock down all the combatants.)
That one will happen without a doubt. It’s just a question of when.
I don’t think it’s doom laden.The main driver of the First World War was the economic rise of Germany.Mirrored by China today.You had the declining Hegemon the British Empire mirrored by the USA.Who knows what conflicts may arise from the economic devastation caused by the virus response and how these superpowers react.
Headline WW3 now a ‘real risk’ due to economic damage caused by
CovidLockdownsWhat is his underlying meaning, do you think? Is this a threat, promise or warning?
Isn’t war always the way out of economic depressions?
Keep an eye on the South China Sea / Taiwan.
WWIII started back in March when the Governments of the world declared war on their citizens. The citizens peacefully surrendered but the war continues.
On the one hand, stay in close contact with friends and family.
On the other hand, as I have been urging, work all day at something useful, doesn’t matter what.
It reads like someone calling for a bigger budget.
I have been paying attention to aircraft and what they are doing. It’s an interest of mine. I haven’t seen anything much going really, a few things to note but nothing unusual. There were a pair of Typhoons doing some strange flight patterns going east to west over the Scottish borders and the other one going over central southern UK a few months ago.
If anything the skies have been really quiet, unusually so all through the SCAMDEMIC.
Just a thought, but is wearing a poppy and face mask together a contradiction in terms. One being a symbol of sacrifice and freedom, whilst the other a symbol of suppression and conformance.
Yes, These people should be ashamed of themselves
They won’t because they don’t have any shame…or ethics…or humanity
Which is why ‘they’ are in the positions they are in…
And we are in the situation we are in
You will read in many business books that if you (as a normal, functioning human being) are unlucky as an employee to have a boss who is a ‘psychopath’…
Then it is useless trying to get on his ‘good’ side by working harder, trying to convince him of your sincerity and loyalty…none of these things matter to him or will help you
The advice is to get out of the situation as soon as you can by transferring to a new department or find a job a different company.
People need to understand that psychopaths don’t change their minds or behaviour if presented with the truth, the facts or under the threat of being shamed.
One house round here even has both an “Every Poppy Counts” and a leftover “Thank You NHS” sign in the same window. Trying to covering both virtue-signalling ends?
Saw two women today wearing muzzles with red poppy prints.
Jesus wept.
Is the NHS’s Lack of Capacity a Manpower Problem?
I think your reader may be right!
In addition to NHS workers considered high risk being allowed to stay at home, a significant number are on leave / off sick due to stress and trauma from their experiences during the first wave. This has particularly affected ICU staff. An overall shortage of staff would also explain why the Nightingale Hospitals have mostly gone unused.
It has also crossed my mind that encouraging people to stay at home (the location where most transmissions occur) and banning most sports (even those with little risk of transmission), reduces the number of injuries that would require hospital treatment. Lockdown = fewer admissions. “Stay safe!”
Has she ever tried rebuilding an economy? Or running a national health service without an economy?
I don’t really get this… working in ICU must be horrible at the best of times. Was it really that much worse during covid for the vast majority? As far as I know, there were very few hospitals that became significantly overwhelmed. They are often running at or beyond capacity in a normal winter. I can’t believe that a significant number experienced anything outside of their normal running to the extent that they still need to be off with stress and trauma. A small number of staff perhaps, but surely not enough to be affecting the day to day running of the NHS at this point in time?
Happy to be corrected on this, but it seems wrong to me.
No it was not. However, to see people die being put on ventilators when they should not have must have been a bit stressful. Ventilators killed a lot of covid patients
Why would a GP ever be asked to run an ICU?
DavidC
I’d trust my local vet over my local doctor, so maybe that would not be a bad idea!
Mail on Sunday leader comment headline:
“If lockdown goes on one day beyond December 2, it’s curtains for Boris, the Tories – and for Britain.”
Better than that they make clear they will not countenance an extension via other means ie tiers.
Can’t find it—-can you give a link?
thanks
It’s OK got it now!
It’s a significant victory for scepticism.
The COVID-19 Epitaph;
“In years to come revile us and say, that your tomorrow was sacrificed for our today”
Bang on. Absolutely bang on.
Can I borrow it for my stickers?
Please do.
Where are the coppers?
Driven from South Shropshire to the Stourbridge area of the West Midlands (20 miles and lots of traffic and pedestrians) and so far have not seen a single one.
I thought that they were going to deal harshly with LD law breakers.
Probably get arrested on the way home.
Too busy policing war memorials
Or Sainsburys supermarkets
…chucking customers out of the shop for not wearing masks
I went to England and back yesterday, no sign of any Police. There were two officers at my towns remembrance service. But they just stood at the back of the 30+ non distanced crowd. Very sensible Policing, I think my local force is actually out catching real criminals!
Probably patrolling deserted car parks in Snowdonia.
Not seen any around Ironbridge either and they took my number down in Lockdown 1!
Had a morning out at a nearby beauty spot with the family (very crowded), and then to the village war memorial.
The scene bears an uncanny resemblance to today’s Bob carton. I’d almost think he had here in mind, although it seems he was thinking in part of Johnson’s home parish.
Got there about half an hour after eleven, and only us there. The adjacent pub (the Royal Oak) was shut of course, and the church doors locked.
I looked at the roll call of names and felt a terrible dissonance. About the only thing I could feel sure of is that they died.
What would they think of the pub and church and pub being closed? Are we as a society so different today from that of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? Perhaps the difference, in the Second World War at least, was indeed Churchill.
What of the First World War? The slaughter of young men called the existing social order into question. The trust in the upper classes evaporated in the aftermath of the horrors.
Perhaps that’s where we are headed now. Public trust in our institutions and the executive destroyed. But to be replaced by what?
I should have added: Churchill is now, of course, being pulled apart by the National Trust, of all people.
The ‘National Trust’. What a horrible Orwellian ring that has to it now.
Yes.It means the exact opposite of what it says.
i’m not understanding why i’m not hearing about the big companies who are having to lay off staff, close branches etc like john lewis and marks and spencer’s for instance, speak out
I would think it because few are going into the shops because of the muzzling and the need to muzzle on public transport to get there and back. Remove the muzzles and watch sales rocket .
Yep. I never go into a shop, among the nappied ghouls, except to procure the means of sustaining life.
Off masks, Annie in shop, no prob.
Presumably they think that their customers are all terrified and brainwashed and would boycott them if they challenged the ‘if it saves one life’ narrative.
thanks, i can see that’s v possible bloody annoying as we could do with all their voices
It’s because they’ll get shamed as caring more about profits than lives.
Instead of getting shamed for not caring about the human race.
A lot of companies would do well to remember that their primary function is to deliver for their shareholders and cut the virtue signalling crap.
Speaking as somebody who has only ever worked for large corporations, it’s been a problem for a long time.
Because then the MSM would actually have to admit that lockdown is harmful.
John Lewis announced a load of head office job cuts last week, that’s on top of the branches they are going to close.
Ours is closed. The town will be all boarded up before too long
Because they’re cowards that’s why.
Had they spoke out against this early on and defied the government, we wouldn’t be in this mess and they wouldn’t be closing branches & making staff redundant.
They’re now paying the price.
Do not trust the shapeshifting creep at No 10.
Fight the CCP, Fight the Swamp, Fight the tyranny.
#Tucker/Candace24
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That would be some ticket!
So – the NHS is voluntarily understaffed having sent huge numbers home on full pay since the start of this shitshow. Plus a lot more off with stress after having done their job the first time. Living proof, that what when the chips are down it looks after No.1, and to hell with the mission. We (didn’t) stand up today for those who weren’t given the choice. I’m thinking of handing out white feathers instead of clapping. Pin them on every NHS notice board, or doctors surgery door, etc etc. Show them we DO care. The bastards.
About fifty people at our local church at 11am. The police were there bossing people around in the church yard. He took one look at me & found something else to do. Good ‘cos I’m having a bad day today & would have quite happily shoved they nearest gravestone up his ar**!
Officer type made a point of standing in front of me with what seemed like fifty medals hanging off his coat. I don’t wear my medals ever, I don’t need to tell anybody else what I’ve done, I know and that’s all that counts. I rarely even wear a poppy because I remember EVERY fucking day. I have PTSD (and depression) so yes I remember holding my best friend in my arms whilst he died.
Made a complete fool of myself in front of our local councillor. He’s an ex-Lib Democrats, total opposite to meme but totally on side with all the coronabollocks.
I wept in front of him for the loss of my friends in Iraq & Afghan, and now my business partner three weeks ago.
Kids were with me & held me tight. They know that Daddy is a’ bit broken ‘.
The councillor was 100% supportive and insisted that we meet up soon.
I’m home now, exhausted. If I didn’t have these wonderful kids I wouldn’t be here now. Its agony but I have to do my best for them.
My service was all for nothing. The very people that we fought to protect are being tortured and abused by the very people who are employed to protect and care for them.
Arnie.
Been weeping all day Arnie. Meet that Councillor. It’s true emotions that sometimes get through, as with the MP yesterday someone had success with.
Hugs, tears, fury and more tears —> action
Rosie
Thanks Rosie. Run out of words. Hugs & humanity to you.
Fury & tears, oh yes!
Still gonna win, this old b*stard doesn’t know when to lay down or when to shut up.
Saved by my kids.
Now I need to save them.
Love,
Arnie.
We had to do with a Zoom substitute. Although our minister did a good service under the circumstances it didn’t feel anything like a real remembrance service. Two minutes of silence looking at a powerpoint of the words, couldn’t see everybody else, encouraged to stand but that would mean my tummy being the only part visible with my laptop camera. Left us with the word ‘justice’ to thing about, many of us have been denied that this year.
For posting on one of my other forums I found a photo of the 2014 Tower of London display and posted ‘this is how today should have been’. Found myself in tears just looking at it.
Nobody in our family was in active service and recent conflicts have changed my view on the justification of war, but I always consider today the time when we should think about everything they did in the past.
Pleased that some of you managed a sort of real celebration, many will have not.
Thank you KH. This is the fight of my life, the fight of our lives and especially that of our kids lives. I can’t tell you how much I’m hurting today but I can’t & won’t stop. We are civilised and we have humility,
We have to stop this.
Arnie.
We will.
You are an inspiration Arnie and have nothing to apologize for. Brought tears to my eyes and I salute you from across the pond. Enjoy being with your family today and know you’re doing everything possible to secure a decent future for your children.
Thank you Lisa, everything is a bit blurry today, must have got something in my eye…
Keep up the good fight. Thanks again. Arnie
You are not alone Arnie. We know what your experience is and how profoundly it has affected you. Strange as it may sound the tide is turning. The light is there. You have what is the best in life, courage passion emotion and wonderful children. May be right now you are poor in money but you are rich in life and that is so much more important.
You aren’t broken and it wasn’t all for nothing.There are decent people in this country, and you risked everything to defend what makes them decent.
Arnie, please keep your head up mate, I know that you have had a tough time with thing’s lately & you gave me some superb advice a couple of weeks ago on here, one thing that you said has stuck in my mind ever since, you said “remember that it is always the darkest before dawn” that has stuck with me ever since.
I also want to say that you & all of us on here, are cut from the same cloth. We will win this fight, be that a long one or a short one.
Stay strong my friend, life is there to test us all at some point when we least expect it.
If you need to talk or anything, please drop me a PM & I will do whatever I can.
Keep up the fight. Stay strong & we will win this.
Thank you AS, I may well take you up on your offer. For now I’m spending time with my kids & my business partners daughter & her boyfriend. Probably the wrong thing to say but we’re all in this together so there’s plenty of mutual support.
Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day. Thanks again.
Arnie.
Nothing foolish about weeping Arnie,it proves you are human and have a living soul with genuine compassion,qualities that seem to be quite rare these days.
Your kids clearly think the world of you,hold them tight,keep them close and you will get through.
I for one appreciate your military service,I consider that you fought for all of us and I believe you are still fighting for the decent people of this country.
Best wishes to you and your family,I feel that the tide may be turning in our favour,it seems painfully slow but truth and sanity hopefully will prevail.
Thank you Paul. Yeah I feel that the tide is turning. Hopefully it’s just a bad day. My kids are my reason to live and reason to fight this horror. I don’t care if I don’t live to see a future for my kids as long as we can male sure it happens. That said we always used to say that we won’t die cheaply so there’s plenty of fight in me yet. Recharge today, back into the fight again tomorrow hopefully.
Thanks again.
Arnie.
I paid a solitary tribute, too. Not at our war memorial, which was hogged by zombie ghouls, but on Castle Hill. I read a fiery passage out of Revelation and said Psalm 144, which is a fighting psalm, as well as singing ‘Oh God, our help in ages past’ and ‘For the fallen’.
In past years I’ve been comfortably looking back at wars. This year, I’m in one, and fuzzy platitudes about Peace and One Big Happy Family are out of place.
I finished with all three verses of God save the Queen.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks.
Amen to that.
In the dark hours of night when I can”t sleep for fear of my children’s future, I am very glad to know that there are people like you in this world.
Thank you Foxglove. Struggling for the right words today.
Arnie.
You didn’t make a fool of yourself as your response was human and expected.
This year has been a massive disappointment. I wasn’t able to go to the Cenotaph today as the police blocked all routes, turning away both ordinary people and veterans.
I am absolutely fuming with rage at what went on today. The state has blood on their hands and have insulted the memory of those who fought and died for this country.
Thanks for the link to the Royal British Legion online shop. I have donated. I had overlooked that I had not made my usual donation in person.
You should look into their accounts and see where their money, or doesn’t, as the case may be.
Nigel has a lot of flaws. He hasn’t been very reliable in the past, running off in the shadows after pushing Brexit through. But for all his faults, he is the only alternative.
People like to say Boris is a British Trump. I disagree. I think Nigel is the British Trump. Far from ideal, but the man we need in times such as these.
Indeed – short of the very far right I would vote for anyone who opposed the current shit show. The man is a snake oil salesman but I’m buying anything that punishes the guilty
Has Farage said anything anti-lockdown before now? He’s been a big disappointment. I guess if it scares the Tory party to its senses then it will be a great service. Although long-run I’d prefer to see the Tory party destroyed and replaced.
We need root and branch reform of our government and institutions to stop anything like this happening again.Farage will lead the opposition into a dead end again.
He bought into it in the beginning, but fairly quickly changed his mind. Whatever people think of NF, he IS good at spotting political vacuums. Opposition to the Establishment’s policy (on the one hand) and tacit acceptance to it (on the other) is noticeably absent. Farage has recognised the time to move against it is now.
This probably means, whatever you think of NF, whatever your voting intentions, that the tide is now inexorably flowing our way.
Labour did not oppose anything. They do not look after worker rights. They must go too
Godfrey Bloom and David Kurten both ex-UKIP from years ago have been much more solid on calling out the nonsense for months. Nigel Farage looks like an opportunist waiting for public opinion to soften before taking a stand on lockdown.
Unfortunately he will will make the far left even more pro-lockdown – so not sure he is a help or hinderance.
I know what you mean but to be honest I dont think the far left could be any more pro lockdown! And that saddens me greatly.
Thought I’d check in to Radio 4 briefly to see what BS was being put out about the American election. The Bullometer hit max just a
Millisecond in with James Naughtie (BBC retired but still on the gravy train) telling us that with Biden and the Democrats it would all be about reconciliation.
Makes you wonder if he had seen the tweet from Alessandra Orcasio Cortez approving of a fellow Democrat making a list of Trump supporters for follow-up action under a Biden presidency.
Another who needs to be executed
Perhaps one for Toby to investigate further?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8925413/Head-Boris-Johnsons-vaccine-taskforce-bills-taxpayers-670-000-team-PR-consultants.html
As I said earlier, in response to Basics:
I did a bit of digging on Admiral PR & Marketing, with whom the Hon Kate has been spending much public money. Companies House lists 2 directors of the company – assume husband and wife – called Collingwood-Cameron. Now, what is very interesting is that Mr (Angus) Collingwood-Cameron is from Northumberland. If you look closely, he would appear to have a link to Chillingham, a place where none other than Mary Wakefield, aka Mrs Dominic Cummings, has a not insignificant link. Wonder whether anyone might like to follow that up?
Send it to Toby and to The Good Law Project
Yes indeed: all roads lead to Chillingham Castle.
It just suddenly dawned on me with the radio on, advert Tesco on and they said “following the Government guidance…”. To me that’s a very interesting phrasing, notice how they’re not saying “the Governments laws” but instead using the word guidance. Guidance is normally voluntarily followed. Are they using this word on purpose as they know that none of what they’re enforcing is lawful?
Could be. Or it could be that people are still in denial that the government would enact such authoritarian laws.
I said this to the school in one of my emails about masks. Guidance not law – they can interpret guidance as they wish to.
LewRockwell, not LeeRockwell
I like to keep an eye on how Tier 3 impacted on some of the big Northern/Midlands cities.
We should have started to see a steeper decline than the decline that was already under way before Tier 3, not a pip!
What’s the money it’s the same with the Lockdown, a million people thrown into unemployment and not a flicker of response.
Testing Smesting, at least the wiggly lines are going down. Certainly makes Mockdown 2.0 look even more pointless and insane. Which has got to be a good thing. Perhaps this is why they did it, they just want to drive people over the edge so they will finally react and push back against the fake left that is trying to kill the tories with their lockdown coup.
Yep – good analysis as always Nick.
Just proves if the Fat Dictator had waited just another week he could have spent this weeks’ Clown Show celebrating the “success” of regional tiers. But once again he’s caved under pressure from shitty modelling and everyone else in Europe. Honestly, calling him a Poundshop Chamberlain is a charitable description.
Chamberlain had some strengths and a certain amount of integrity. Boris is the pound shop Vidkun Quisling
Chamberlain gets a bad press but there was nothing he could have done at Munich.The armed forces at the time were woefully unprepared and there was no will to war in the British people.
Dominic Lawson was on shockingly bad form in today’s Sunday Times when he claimed the hospitality industry would have been wrecked even without lockdown – on the supposition that many people would have been too scared to go out anyway. What utter rubbish. Young people are not going to be put off going to bars, clubs and cinemas for fear of picking up a virus that produces no or only mild symptoms. I’m in my mid-sixties and would happily continue going to restaurants and hotels, given the chance. There are many more like me. Dominic Lawson normally writes common sense, but he had a complete aberration today.
Unfortunately, it looks like a lot of young people are buying into the lockdown narrative. I suspect this is because they follow social media to a much higher degree than other age groups, and social media have been quite aggressive about promoting lockdowns and masks. What’s more, artists preferred by young people are also in favour of lockdowns and are not shy about promoting them.
All in all, i think young people are the ones most likely to be put off going to bars, clubs, cinemas.
Social Media is a virus itself. People think you have to display your colours to each and all. But it seems many just raise a flag they think others want them to. It’s all just a group think exercise at times.
Yes I cannot convert my son however hard I try
Its like losing your family to a cult.
That is terribly sad….they face zero risk.
I managed to play a couple of gigs during lockdown at theatres with reduced capacity. My audience are largely in the “vulnerable” category. All sold out very quickly. People are desperate to go out again. If theatres opened up tomorrow they would be full
The fact next to no excess deaths can be attributed to under 50s from Covid is a disgraceful situation. They are being asked to sacrifice so much for so little in return. The chances of a healthy person in that age bracket dying from this are miniscule. That makes no sense unless you consider this all agenda driven.
I’m in the same age group and would happily go out if not for all the mask nonsense etc. I actually find it amusing that in previous flu seasons when visiting a GP surgery I’m the one hand sanitising after using the virus spreading touchscreens and standing well way from the coughers and splutterers.
The young aren’t that scared, they’re still doing underground raves and campus parties. Lockdown and mask zealotry is more about virtue-signalling than fear, and most zealots are big hypocrites anyway, just look at BLM.
And based on what I’ve heard from fellow students I’m sure my campus would be busy again if it went back to normal. (I can dream…)
“on the supposition that many people would have been too scared to go out anyway.”
I’ve heard the same argument from my woke, leftie, Guardian reading, millenial brother.
At the beginning there would have been a drop,but that was caused by government/media scaremongering.
There were people using the pubs/theatres right up until they were closed.I think a couple of weeks of panic and people would have flocked back when they realised this wasn’t the plague.
Also London pre lockdown 2 was as busy as it’s been since before lockdown 1.The fear has gone
Went to two pubs I use on the Wednesday night before lockdown. One I couldn’t get into because every single seat was taken and that included lots of people “illegally” sharing tables, the other enjoyed “a Saturday night” in terms of covers. I suspect Dominic Lawson hasn’t been in a pub for 20 years.
Some young people will be put off, as will some older people, but plenty won’t.
From what I observed and understood in Sweden, those places are quieter than normal there, but still surviving and in some cases thriving. I didn’t see many if any such places closed permanently.
It’s on a different scale.
Anyway, it’s an odd argument – it’s a bit like defending a murderer on the basis that the victim was ill and would have died soon anyway.
Lawson says it all really
He has been pro lockdown throughout. One massive letdown….is Nigella any better…or even Nigel?
I have a view of our local War Memorial from my home
I was there this morning. It was very well attended. There were 38 wreaths laid on the memorial. Very moving
Two hours after the ceremony two men in full PPE arrived. They had a police escort
They sprayed the wreaths with something and then started to remove the wreaths
I went out and asked what they were doing. The guys in the PPE said they were Environmental Health Officers
They said the wreaths were an infection risk and they were taking them away to burn them
I noticed that they had removed all the dedication cards from the wreaths. I asked why they were doing this and they replied that each of the organisations involved would be issued with a £10,000 fixed penalty ticket
When I remonstrated with them the police threatened to arrest me, so I left
There are no wreaths on the memorial now
Where the local Brownies will find £10,000 I don’t know
This is the symbiosis of covid and BLM.
Heritage and collective memory and custom now under attack for medical ‘reasons’.
Wowsers this is just one of the most INSANE AND EVIL things I heard of so far…..and that’s saying something.
I hope somebody got this on video.
Please contact your local newspaper with this!!
Local newspapers are a waste of time as they are often staffed by current / ex BBC staff and most are now centrally controlled. Ofter best to bypass them and go to local independent media or national ones such as UK Column.
I suspect there’s no way anyone in any kind of position of authority would carry through on this threat, if they did I really think it would end badly, it would also be the fastest ever crowd funded fine collection. But I am speechless that anyone could even suggest this.
That quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn is particularly relevant in this case.
Send this story to Peter Hitchens. And e-mail it to Toby in case he diesn’t see it here.
It is enough to make angels weep.
PS. Send it to the Sun and the Mail.
Surely not ? I pray there is a misunderstanding here otherwise there is no point in carrying on pretending to be nice and democratic. Force must be met with equal force.
Would have loved to see some video footage.
They cant fine these people as they did not breathe law. However, suggest they try as there will be massive outcry.
Absolutely horrifying.
Have you got photos of them working?
You need to contact the press. Also any organisation that gets a FPN.
This needs to be given high prominence.
Can you broadcast this on their local Twitter or FB account. Publicise this.
Yes, second this..call them on it, in an open forum. Deeply disturbing
You MUST publicise this.
I walked to my local war memorial with my son. There were a handful of wreaths. We had printed out the Bob cartoon (sorry Bob if you are reading) and put it into a plastic sleeve for protection. My son had written “thanks for your sacrifice; sorry we squandered it” underneath the cartoon we taped a poppy to the back of it so that you could see it over the top left hand corner. We laid that at the memorial and bowed.
Despicable conduct. Do we need veterans to guard our war memorials now?! It was bad enough them having to protect Baden Powell’s statue.
Get the story to Simon Dolan.
That is despicable and hope like the piper story it gets all the publicity it deserves.
I had a walk up to our own war memorial this afternoon, quite a few wreathes there and a few people around paying their respects. Couple of nice chats with them. In our case most of the wreathes were from the local dignitaries – council, MP, mayor, police etc. If the same thing happened here I wonder how all those dignitaries would react…
Where was this then? I’m sure something like this would make national news in the more sceptical papers such as the MoS especially after the recent furore over the care home rescue arrest and the Milton Keynes crematorium incident. If you have all this verifiable information do scepticism a favour and put it out there.
Good heavens – how appalling. Surely that is just a money raising ploy? So insulting to those who died saving us from an evil Fascist dictatorship. Pity we can’t raise the dead and ask them to help us form a new fighting force to repeat the process against those currently in charge. (Can you put something on FB if your local newspaper is unhelpful?)
Unbelievable. Words fail me. That people actually doing this are so brainwashed they have become unfeeling robots. For fucks sake environmental health people it’s Remembrance Sunday.
That’s appalling. Those who left the wreaths should band together and refuse to pay – keep them busy for the next 10,000 years.
A plague on those who did this!!!
Utter Scum..you fucking c**t Boris
https://vk.com/wall-194645035_121635
It’s all brewing up, divide and conquer. The so called police should be ashamed. Easily done when they are hiding behind a mask
wow,
Notice the cop unmasked in background filming the whole thing?
Yep, Forward Intelligence Team (FIT) SOP. I think the piper took a tumble deliberately. Shame they didn’t manage to push through the police line they could have done it easily and it would have been very significant.
We are now witnessing the disintegration of society in real time.
I’d like to see this verified by someone other than Tommy Robinson and his gang of low life supporters.
Eh???
Ad hominem.
https://twitter.com/accesssubject/status/1325423994464579585
This is the twitter version, not by TR as far as I know
Can you not use your eyes for verification?
Fuckoff 77
Thanks for uploading that. I suspect the source of it will see the video banned. Hopefully there is a clean up load available somewhere on YouTube or similar that can be more widely shared.
First, the piper walked into the policeman. Second, over-reaction from the “policeman” Third I hear the Met is using foreign mercenaries because UK police are too nice. Fourth, perhaps the “policeman” was primed ready for violence by his commander.
1, 2, and especially 4 fair comments. Don’t know about 3.
Tensions are very high on all sides, and someone in responsibility needs to calm things down. It’s called leadership.
The police need to set a good example.
Video
I would have found it hard to not launch an immediate and brutal elbow strike on that officer.. I would have been arrested. But I won’t wear a mask.. I will not be vaccinated because of fatboy Boris Blair The Biden/Clintons Gates etc.. Refuse/Resist.
We had a farmers market in town today and I went with another person who I met through KBF FB to speak to people and hand out some leaflets. The market organiser was not happy that we were there, although we kept away from the actual market area. Had some good conversations with mostly already sceptical people. I put my local MPs e-mail and her phone number for her constituency office on my leaflet so people can leave a voice mail. Most do not like her as she does not represent us and does not communicate.
It was a good experience.
I used Mablecow’s image of the soldiers in the trench, thank you, MC!
The CEBM recently produced a paper on the problem of hospital acquired coronavirus infection. They thought that across the board in October it had risen from about 12% to 18% of admissions. Applying this trend to admissions to English hospitals over the last 10 days you get the chart below, with hospitalisations from the community ticking down. & it’s in the middle of this that the Government Lockdown & throw a million on the dole!
For anyone who hasn’t yet, listento Dr Binder on the Richie Allen Show. Succinct and perfect for anyone yet to be convinced of tbe PCR flaws.
https://youtu.be/NWB103BRHjM
Agreed!
Just wanted to say Thank You to the 67 people yesterday who gave a thumbs up to my comment/letter to our local Dean about praying for not only NHS/key workers.
It really gave me a lift and encouraged me to go out today and speak to people on the street.
The people who never receive a mention in all of this never ending sh’te are the lorry drivers. They quietly get on with their business without tik tok, Strictly and all the other bollocks even acknowledging they exist.
Is there something wrong with me me that I don’t understand all the sentimentality about people doing any job all of a sudden? Surely countless people who have lost employment and businesses would have swapped places in a heartbeat with anyone complaining that they are busy and not getting time off. I would choose 7 days a week over the hopelessness I experienced March to September In good times some folk work 2 and 3 jobs to provide for their families. They don’t get hailed as heroes, even if they are often doing the hard, unpleasant jobs no one else fancies.
My husband didn’t want clapping. He found people putting their thumbs up at him and waving in April slightly weird and as for the convoys of lorries driving round to coincide with the Thursday night clap, he thought it was nauseating attention seeking. His view is he’s just doing his job and if people want to show their appreciation stop cutting him up and pulling stupid braking stunts in front of him!
My husband says thanks. He’s worked throughout delivering waste from a transfer station to incineration for power generation. Wading around in domestic waste from areas of the East Midlands supposedly with high Covid numbers in only regular hi vis. No PPE, not even soap in the loos half the time. Not one case of Covid among the entire workforce.
That was a superb letter and you should be proud of yourself.
I had to add the EXPERT…
With a GOOD NHS DOCTOR at the Gate of Freedom the Herd will feel more confident!
The media (inc. Toby) have declared this election a Biden (Clinton et al Great Reset) victory.. but 90% turnout for a corrupt man with dementia? Come on…
What now for Brexit? It’s over right? Biden is anti-brexit.. Boris isn’t really pro-brexit..
I guess that was all part of the plan eh? Why didn’t we do that US deal that Trump kept offering? Chlorinated chicken? We drink chlorinated water… if you wash your meat under a tap it is somewhat chlorinated…
Brexit is over. Weak PM and toxic tories, Labour a cert for next election with added deal for second ref for Kranky, Seems all well scripted really
Oh God – someone shoot me now please!
At some point in the future a true reform party will do well here, even the Farage vehicle will take 5-10% off every rotten tory mp in England leading to the Kneeler in No 10.
Sir Kneel Smarmier?
Sir Kier Obama
Great
That is the same argument that got us here.There is no discernible difference between labour and conservatives.Until people realise that we are stuck in our one party state.Labour will not escape the backlash when it happens as they have called for stronger lockdown measures every step of the way.
This is based on the proviso that we will be allowed to vote again.
Sadly true. I feel we have a de facto national government. And I nearly always vote Labour
Not conservative, not labour ever
No, more labour MP’s wanted this to continue
The media doesn’t get to decide the US election result – the electoral college does in January.
This.
I’ve long suspected toby was a shill working to deflect blame from the Tories while providing them lots of Intel regarding their devastating lockdown policy and covid hoax.
Toby has now lost all crediblity in my eyes, he is working for the enemy.
Our water in Notts is so chlorinated it’s undrinkable it stinks like a 70s public bath.we even boil bottled in the kettle.
There must be lots of people with thyroid problems in Notts then. Chlorine (and Fluoride if added to the water supply) prevents the uptake of iodine.
Why would you do that to yourself – were you doing it for our benefit, so we weren’t tempted to try it? If so, please don’t put yourself to all that trouble on our account. It sounds terrible!
Just came across this by accident – Remembrance Day sure isn’t what it used to be ! (don’t think this was already posted, it was new to me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb7n_S0M9ao
Well, in any case the police forces show as much respect to the veterans as they have to the general populace lately – none.
https://drrichardday.wordpress.com/
1969 – Pioneer Eugenicist.
Minor update: Panscepticon now shows a user scoreboard for each daily news page.
I’m working on an overall stats page.
wow that’s revealing
Must make sure I don’t get on the list Mon-Fri. I’ll get the sack
Never, ever do that again.
You need a cold shower and strong liquor!
THIS SAYS IT ALL….. Former Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon turned on the Government for refusing to trust veterans to keep their social distance inside a church having previously trusted them to fight in wars to protect the country.
They occasionally do comedy gold- that thing about “rising belief in dangerous covid conspiracy theories” was hilarious.
The message about vitamin D must be reaching people as my cleaning lady( who always takes it as I do) told me she had been in 2 hemists trying to buy some only to be told they were sold out.
NHS:
WRONG NHS. 10mcg (400IU) is barely enough to prevent rickets
NHS:
WRONG NHS. Many people are extremely deficient and even taking 4,000IU over a long period of time will not lead to hypercalcaemia. Always take high dose Vitamin D3 with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium to ensure the Calcium in the blood and cells is taken to the bones and teeth.
NHS:
WRONG NHS. It all depends how low vitamin D levels are (see attached photo). If extremely deficient very high doses 10,000IU+ need to be taken to improve Vitamin D levels. The NHS should test patients and use that as a baseline and dose accordingly.
Take at least 4,000IU of Vitamin D3 per day. Take with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium.
Vitamin D tests (see table 2) from https://www.anhinternational.org/campaigns/test-take-vitamin-d/
The NHS, and most doctors, know nothing about nutrition.
What is your recommended dose for octogenarians?
If you have little daily exposure to sun in the summer (face and hands only do not count) then at least 4,000IU vitamin D3 per day during the summer and 10,000IU per day during the winter. Take vitamin K2 and Magnesium with it to ensure calcium absorption.
Best wishes
I watched something on TV about nutrition a few years ago. Essentially it said that you could not over dose with vitamins. The body retained what it needed and the surplus passed through the system. I’m no medic so can’t verify that, but that’s my recollection.
Not accurate I believe. Some excess of certain vitamins is excreted, but others can build up in tissues and eventually damage the organs. C is an example of the former; if memory serves correctly K is an example of the latter.
I get confused with the labelling. Is 25ug = 25 mcg?
Yes and 25mcg = 1,000IU
Overheard a lady outside H & B today, she could not get Vit D. I was leafleting and would have liked to speak to her, but she was with her family and they were in hurry.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Jb7n_S0M9ao
Police assaulting a veteran today.
The police are an utter disgrace.
Dirty Bastards!! That is out of order.
I hope this makes it to the press!
Bastards. I want them to burn in hell for this.
I will bring the matches
https://youtu.be/Jb7n_S0M9ao
That’s disgusting!!! I recognised the piper as I did see him today.
I am just home from the Manchester lockdown protest. Manchester certainly rose up!!!! Perhaps there were as many as 10k people there. It really was huge and quite emotional. And very friendly too.
When we got to Piccadilly gardens there were a few people speaking with mega phones in separate groups and it looked disappointing. Then one group headed off down towards the art gallery with police following. We followed and ended up cutting across a road to find this group returning with a huge crown, with flares and chanting, drums and whistles. Everyone went into Piccadilly gardens for speeches, then a march around the city. The numbers seemed to grow and grow.
There was all types of people, all ages, all clothing styles, races, older people, some on mobility scooters and in wheel chairs, children, dogs. There seemed to be some overlap with people highlighting it was Remembrance Sunday and those people who had died for our freedom with the loss of freedoms/authoritarianism of where we are now.
We have just returned home and they were still marching. I don’t know if there will be trouble or arrests. I wonder how the media will report it?
The rest of Manchester City centre with people who hadn’t been on the march was crammed with people having picnics, listening to street singers, wandering and generally enjoying the city.
There is a report here:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/live-lockdown-protest-manchester-piccadilly-19244099
Says a few hundred! People were filming it so it will go on social media and people will be able to see how many were there. We past a little group of police officers talking about what to do and over heard one say they couldn’t do much as they were so few.
Hi Wendy, I’ve been wondering where you’ve been. Glad you’re back.
Ah, thank you, that is very kind. I got a bit knocked here a while back so lost a bit of confidence then my poor Dad was very poorly at the care home, paramedics, hospital and emergency GP all in one week. I was exhausted. Ended up having a huge argument with my BIL over being treated like a vector of disease. All resulting in not feeling I could bear any more knocks. But I am feeling more robust now and ready to chat here again.
Good to see you’re back. I was wondering about your Dad. I hope he’s as well as can be.
I do recall Biker having a go at you a while back – I don’t know if that’s what you are referring to, but he did apologise a little while afterwards, said he didn’t know what he was writing or against whom, although I don’t know if you saw it.
Ah, I didn’t see Bikers apology. I tried not to take it personally as it was a very hard day to cope with when masks were introduced. We all get bogged down in all this. It’s so good to have people to talk to who feel the same.
Yes, that was the day, as I recall. He apologised a few days later.
I sent this message to a friend who had forwarded some inane “obey the rules” meme to me yesterday. It seemed to shock them.
“You think that’s fucking funny? I spend every minute of every day wanting to scream myself hoarse. This is completely insane. The entire planet has committed suicide over a glorified cold. Every day I wake up from nightmares, into the sick, demented horror of this. I have no work, no income, every day I start drinking as soon as my youngest gets home. I think of suicide every day. For Christ’s sake when will people realise that this is a mass mental breakdown over nothing? I can’t bear it anymore.“
Yes my feelings exactly. Please know we are here for you though. Please keep going, things will turn. I am thinking of you.
Thank you, I enjoyed your post about the Manchester demo.
Oh that is good. It was really up lifting to be there.
All I can say is I really do feel for you. As they say, hang in there. You will be in my prayers.
Thank you.
Your friends are here.
Disobey the rules.
Be strong.
Oh I ignore the rules alright.
Please know you’re not alone in your feelings Liam, I feel exactly the same though I haven’t suffered your loss yet. And it’s for people like you that have that makes me want to rise up and scream at people for their complacency and compliance. Government propaganda has brought us here, with the public demonising those that can see through the lies.
It will get better, look at the rallies taking place around the country, about 10k in Manchester today. I pray you find the strength to keep fighting and take comfort from your friends on here and your family who need you.
You’re not alone, Liam. Far from it.
Apart from me not having any kids and being fortunate enough to still have plenty of work, I am fully onboard with you. I’m drinking way too much and find myself reliant on sleeping pills to get a good night’s sleep. I’m itching for someone to have a pop at me in the shop for not wearing a face nappy, if only to release some pressure – but nobody ever does.
Me and the other half were due to visit my elderly parents at the end of this month, an exhausting 350 mile round trip. We only get to see them 2 or 3 times a year as we both have jobs and are usually burnt-out by the end of the working week. They told us not to come because they were “worried” about “getting fined £10k”. Fucking idiots. I didn’t have the energy to shout down the phone at just how bloody brainwashed by the TV they have become.
Terrible thing to say, but right now I wish them both dead. Yep – my own parents! They might as well be dead. They’re certainly not living in any way I recognise. Had to share that with someone, somehow. Can’t share with my other half, she’ll think I’ve finally flipped my lid. But I’ve been an avid reader and occasional poster to this site for a long time now, you decent people here have helped keep me sane since March and I reckon this is the best place for me to vent!
You know I think I’m feeling a bit better already…
I understand Matt.
Hey chaps, Scepticism is almost over the line now. Hang on in there.
this is one of the aims of the psy-op to drive people apart, especially families. It’s working really well. Don’t let it. Hopefully your parents will go on long enough for this insane shit show to disappear into the past and they will see how wrong they were.
Cheers Two-Six, you’re 100% correct there, and you know I think I mumbled the same thing to my idiot of a mother earlier today about a lot of people having “egg on their faces soon” before hanging up in disgust
Our day will come!
Yep, a good vent can work wonders.We all need them.
Try an audiobook instead of sleeping pills. Choose one that you are familiar with, but no too familiar, so that it holds your attention but it doesn’t matter if you miss a bit through falling asleep. Works well for me.
Liam, thanks for saying this. I’m awake at 4.30 every morning now due to worry. I’ve lost friends and cannot talk freely to family. People say ‘just talk about other things’ with close friends, but if they’re believers it’s like an elephant in the room.
Sorry, but the whole country which I love is going down the pan with all this compliance which I never dreamed would happen. I’ve lost faith in my fellow human beings. You want me to talk about the weather?
People now and again need to be shocked.
People who are close to me, or used to be, have been told quite clearly how I feel about all this . The good ones have stuck by me, even if they don’t always agree 100% with what I say. The bad’uns just blank me after a while – they just stop engaging, probably think I am mad or bad. Rude bastards.
I’ve asked colleagues and acquaintances to please stop asking me how I am.
Hang in there Liam, as someone who has been under mental strain over the last few months I understand how you feel.
Stay strong.
Good afternoon everyone,
I thought this might be of interest to the board – a little insight or peak behind the curtain if you will into what might drive the ‘mask’ virtue.
I’m not religious myself, but my wife is Portuguese, and our children have attended the local Catholic Primary School for many years. It has a good reputation and both children have been happy there (our eldest is now at Secondary), unfortunately a new interim head took over at the start of this academic year in September.
Early last week she sent out details about wearing masks on the school grounds at drop-off & pick-up, and having spoken with UsForThem I wrote back asking to see a risk assessment. When one considers that the main parental entrance is from a public park, it seems highly irresponsible.
Further to that, upping-the-ante in the Friday newsletter was the following message (the final paragraph bolded by myself) plus a prayer.
Our aim is to keep the school open for all classes for as long as possible. We need all parents to help and follow the school’s collection routine if this is going to happen. Consequently, we need every parent to be patient during collection time. Please wait behind each other in a socially distanced line. Please remember not to chat outside the gates and please do not allow your child/ren to play with other children from different bubbles on the field. We ask that all parents and children go straight home after school rather than gathering in large groups in the park.
A prayer as I put on my mask:
Creator, as I prepare to go into the world,
help me to see the sacrament in the wearing of this cloth
let it be “an outward sign of an inward grace”
a tangible and visible way of living love for my neighbours, as I love myself.
Christ, since my lips will be covered, uncover my heart,
that people would see my smile in the crinkles around my eyes.
Since my voice may be muffled, help me to speak clearly,
not only with my words, but with my actions.
Holy Spirit, as the elastic touches my ears, remind me to listen carefully
and full of care, to all those I meet.
May this simple piece of cloth be shield and banner,
and each breath that it holds, be filled with your love.
Best regards
Simon
NAUSEATING.
Please tell me this isn’t real…
It isn’t real.
Sadly MabelCow it is.
Obviously as a faith school, getting prayers with the newsletter isn’t something new, but the previous Head who was a sensible chap, also ensured that the school felt welcoming & inclusive (after all not every child who attends is Catholic).
In fact, as the School was open to children of key workers during Spring & early Summer, he even specifically asked parents not to wear masks on the school grounds – fully aware that instant identification is incredibly important.
This honestly feels quite sinister to be frank and both my wife and I are really unhappy as one might imagine.
One could imagine a similar prayer in the newsletter of a church in Bavaria, circa 1940.
Yes quite.
In fact it brought to my mind Paul Bettany’s character Silas in The Da Vinci Code. So sure of his moral righteousness, that pretty much anything was justifiable.
stand strong and refuse
You have to nip it in the bud now. A small request to acquiesce to such theatre on the basis of no credible science is not the path a school needs to go down. Keep in mind this is all mission creep and every little rule like this is a step towards something much more sinister. Maybe not in the mind of the head teacher, but it is. That does not have to be your line on this singular issue, rather, focus on the need for evidence and safety of mask use. They will either engage or not. You’ll see their true colours
Utterly Satanic.
Sounds like a very sick joke. Do you have a source for this?
Hi John P,
Yes its in the weekly/fortnightly newsletter that the School sends out to parents on a Friday.
Best regards
Simon
I’d add:
“And since my brain has turned to mush from lack of oxygen
Please forgive me.”
Insane. Absolutely Insane. And couldn’t be less religious in my view.
Using religion to support her own political ideal is pretty low and the hijacking or twisting of religion is a despicable act and supporting a risk control measure, known to cause harm is a misuse of religion.
Please write to them Simon and point out the above. And please also remind them Masks do not work. End of. And report them to the local church that they are involved in for encouraging acts of potential self harm
on the back of god.
Thanks Leemc23,
I think it falls under the Diocese of Portsmouth (although we live in Reading) but yes absolutely I will write to them.
As I say, I’ve involved UsForThem too.
Kindest regards
Simon
Good man. And all the best to you. Well done
That is a devilish prayer, not a Christian one.
Absolutely.
The ‘Christian’ churches are no such thing. They worship the Devil. The Covid devil.
God gave us an immune system, and oxygen to breathe. If we needed masks, then animals and us would have evolved with them. Strangely, many of my Christian friends are absolutely taken in by covid; falling over themselves to express concern and praying hands for anyone who has a positive test result. Perhaps it is because they are too good and trusting, to even consider that the government and news channels could be lying to them.
Hi Sara, thats an interesting observation and from my own limited experience with my dad (who is a keen member of his local church) I would concur. Naiveté or gullibility – take your pick.
My friend is a vicar. I was speaking with her husband yesterday, offering my thoughts for her during this difficult time as she is surely rushed off her feet with all of the extra funerals caused by the pandemic. I think I heard a penny drop.
Nice one!
He also gave us tubes to breathe through that filter the air and even contain antibodies and all kinds of other good stuff. They’re called noses.
Masks may protect other people from one’s own viruses in a narrow range of circumstances but breathing in through your mouth with one on is probably worse for you. You tend to do that because they block the air so much.
No, it’s because they are credulous, feeble-minded zombies.
Ask them to pray for those driven towards suicide, or dying of neglected cancers.
Religious nutter
Seems far less dangerous than the secular nutters at the Imperial College and London School of hygiene and tropical medicine who actually want to replace the immune system with reliance on pharmaceutical products.
Crazy face nappy fascists.
And the leper said to Jesus, if you are willing, touch me and I will be healed. And Jesus replied, where on earth is your PPE?!?
This sounds like a joke but having gone to a Catholic school, unfortunately this is the sort of asinine rubbish is one I’m very familiar with.
Really sorry Simon – I can’t bring myself to uptick that – what the F is wrong with teachers???? Particularly primary school teachers (no offence to any sceptic ones here – to be excluded obviously)
I didn’t think that much of most of them before this tbh, but really – they have sunk to new depths.
Where do they get off thinking they have authority over peoples lives – how arrogant are people who think they are in charge of the lives of all the families of the children they teach, inside and outside of school. They really need taking down a peg or 2 IMO.
And it’s filled with bacteria – not love!!!!
I really don’t mean to offend anyone – so apologies if the above appears a massive generalisation. I can’t edit it now.
We have come up against a fair few like this, both in school and teachers we have come across in other areas of life, who seem to believe they should treat adults the same way they treat the children in their class. So it may be that our experience is a bit skewed.
I have seen a comment from earlier, by a primary teacher who says that they don’t know anyone who wants to close the schools again, as the unions are pushing for – this gives me cause to think that maybe we have had a bit of bad luck.
https://off-guardian.org/
They read the guardian so you don’t have to.
Lockdown scepticism from a Catholic priest:
https://anchor.fm/david-palmer6/episodes/we-must-not-deny-the-people-of-God-the-sacraments-again–30th-Sunday-in-Ordinary-Time-elorqv
Some of the language is a little religious for some tastes no doubt, but it is encouraging dissent from a cleric.
I was so mived by thus that I sent him a message of thanks. I’m an Anglican, and my church has failed even more atrociously than the Catholic one, but precious few clergy are willing to admit it.
I had to stop reading it around May as it was driving me crazy. I never go there now unless there’s a link to an article on here or Carl Heneghan has a rare article there.
Just been sent this info (copied from image)
Klaus Schwab … The people of Liverpool have embraced mass testing in the fight against C-19 assisted by the British Army
Mayor Anderson is preparing to announce mandatory Covid Isolation Camps that will be patrolled by the army to prevent further viral outbreaks
Bring it on Mayor of Liverpool. That will end this government and the lockdown with immediate effect.
But the Mayor has no legal power to order mandatory testing or Covid Isolation camps. That image was – I suspect – from Klaus Schwab and he’s trolling. In any event, the Liverpool testing station is empty, notwithstanding media hype, and there was a big clash between protesters chanting “Shame on you” and Merseyside police on Saturday. Big demo in Manchester today.
This was from. Tweet that appears to be a fake KS account. Set up in Oct 2020 and many off the posts seem to be a piss take
It’s a satire account.
That was my thought as well. The only ones really penalised are the small businesses that were told to close for this lockdown.
They want all of us state owned, a socialist state
Beach here the same today. Busy as a Bank Holiday
Just seen this retweeted by Ivor Cummins:
https://twitter.com/Cityzenkane3/status/1325451837751914501
I hope this is genuine footage. Certainly when I was out yesterday there seemed to be more people on the streets.
I was at both Southbank and St James’ Park yesterday, both were pretty bustling.
There were lots of street vendors doing a roaring trade on Southbank and my cousin and I may have indulged in a couple of overpriced pints!
Brilliant.
The volume of people there actually made me genuinely laugh.
bring it ON!!!!
This is what we need people just coming out in large numbers everywhere!
City-wide xmas party anybody? New Years eve?
Rawwwww
Can anyone remember the name and the position title of the person responsible for the PCR tests who resigned earlier this year because of their concerns about how the tests were being conducted, including using unsuitable facilities and untrained staff and also the unreliability of the PCR tests themselves, especially numbers of false positives? It and their position were mentioned in 2 LS newsletters (including a recent one) but I have gone back to 4 Nov so far and failed to find it. Info required to support another letter to my MP and to back up my points refuting the accuracy of ‘case’ figures on my local FB group! Thanks in anticipation
Kate Baker by the look of it.
Thanks – thought it was a man for some reason. Which LS newsletter edition was it in, or did you find it on Google? Is their title mentioned anywhere?
I had a vague memory from one of Mike Yeadon’s interviews that it was kate something so I just literally googled “kate pcr” and it was the first hit
Here you go
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54552620
Thanks BeBopRockSteady. I thought it was a bloke, but must have mis-remembered the original post in the LS newsletter – thought he was head or director of the PCR testing programme.
Anyone naive enough to think that these psychopaths will “allow” us large family gatherings next summer needs a good shake.
No pandemic, even this pantomime can last this long. Next summer…..probably could see them trying to, but like the Virus itself the public has, it seems, run out of puff.
Lockdowns are so stupid and so destructive I can’t believe their advocacy is even legal. Maybe it should be made illegal and advocates prosecuted in retrospect. You could start by stripping them of assets to give to their victims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
They’re obviously illegal. The 1984 act permitted control of the sick, not the healthy.
We should all remember, and remind those who deem US “controversial”, that lockdowns are untried and were never recommended by anyone, including the WHO. SWEDEN have followed the pandemic playbook – most other countries have gone into very unorthodox territory.
Latest figures “Infections” 20572, deaths with/from who knows 156. Therefore lockdown working.
peak number of infected in society peaked on 4t of november
peak number of new infections peaked on 31st october
https://covid.joinzoe.com/data
(obviously with caveats about data integrity)
Even the govt are going to have difficulty spinning that one I fear.
They might try and say “we did a voluntary lockdown” before it was imposed and pretend we’re all still complying.
No one I’ve seen seems remotely interested in complying. Even the dreaded Mask seems to be deployed to avoid the agro from a Mary Whitehouse type clone.
The “Quad” and SAGE are long detatched from reality, a fresh flavour of bullshit will be nothing for them.
No no no. The cases today are the order book for 2 weeks time. Everything is still to come 50,000 cases a day remember. It’s not really 20,000 at all. It could be 12 million and fifty two. Only Prof Ferguson knows.
No…..they will find a bucket load of “cases” and death stats at 4am in a rear alley and start counting them….sorry; getting confused with the US Election
The two-day miracle.
Hahaha!
Thank you for going in and collecting the ‘intelligence’, it’s important to know what drives the enemy on, it’s a dirty job but someone has to do it and I appreciate you taking it on so we don’t have to. Top chap, I salute you.
Great turn out at local cenotaph,public not wearing masks.Of course the important people were….MP,Officials etc.Lady mayoress in her cloak,three cornered hat and black mask had a remarkable resemblance to dick turpin-I was just waiting for her to slap her thighs.
Important official telling us plebs to stand back…..I told him No,I was staying put and that I was fed up being told where to stand.
When leaving, a pleasant looking masked WPC nodded to me and appeared to be smiling with her eyes.I gave her the coldest hostile stare I could muster…..to be honest,she flinched,looked upset and looked away.Tough.I have never before been hostile to Police,but they have *chosen*their side….and I have chosen mine.
I think that’s a shame Kelly. If it had been me I would have commented on how pretty her smiling eyes were and asked her to lower it so you could see her face and smile.
No doubt there are some in the police who revel in the power they think they have but there will also, no doubt, be those who don’t feel comfortable with what they’re doing in the name of policing.
DavidC
Not surprised at your reaction to the WPC. Every time I see police now, I cross the street to avoid them especially if they’re muzzled. They give me the creeps.
Like the watchmen TV series
Combine Civil Protection from Half Life 2
66 years on planet Earth, not a speeding ticket or a parking fine and I no longer trust the police.
How many people have wondered about Nazi Germany, or any other dictatorship:
“How could it have happened”
We know now.
Got it in one.
Concentration camps in the fens, neighbours queuing up to denounce one another, kids in the Hitler Youth, Jews hunted through the streets by baying mobs …
But they had Churchill then. Decency bred decency, courage courage, determination bred victory.
And now look what we’ve got.
Greetings fellow sceptics. More encouraging signs, this time from Kent. My interpretation of a “reasonable distance” to travel for exercise is about 30 miles into the countryside for a nine-mile walk through the Eden Valley.
It’s a sign of the times that I was convinced we would be stopped by Lilly Law as we drove out, but as it goes, the only police we saw – masked and numerous – outside a church near Biggin Hill, possibly to “help” the Remembrance service attendees to maintain antisocial distancing.
Anyway, we’ve just been for a wonderful walk and encountered dozens of others out enjoying the fresh air and unseasonably mild temperatures. No masks, no social distancing, and no angst. A couple of pubs were open for takeaway, and a few shops were selling coffee, etc.
It seems to me, coupled with yesterday’s walk in a south London park, that people just want to get on with their lives. There is no fear of contagion any more from what increasingly looks like a pivotal number of people.
The government should throw in the towel now, and do its best to save face. But why should it show any level of competence after all this time? So expect the Lockdown That Never Was to dribble on for a few more weeks at least.
Similar experience yesterday.
I went to Felixstowe for the day with a friend of mine. Beautiful weather, lots of people out enjoying the day and I don’t remember seeing any masks apart from the staff in the kitchen at the fish and chip restaurant here we bought lunch (the restaurant itself closed so served at a takeaway window). No one in the queue masked and some pleasant exchanges (non Covid related!) with other people out walking. A lovely, almost totally normal, day out.
DavidC
Oh that I could see it in those terms. I could rest easy. It’s a global ‘pandemic’ not a little national hiccup. We are in lockstep with most our European neighbours, under the influence of the WHO, WEF et al.
We’ve got new threats to our personal liberties springing up every day with Health passports, testing of kids in schools, vaccinations. This is not going to end anytime soon.
Just in case anyone was worried that hospitals were in increasing danger of being overwhelmed here’s the latest data released on the Government website.
12 days & still flatlining. Funny, I haven’t seen the BBC post this.
No impact yet from Tier 3, still 10 days away from any impact from the Lockdown.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
….. and deaths for the last 12 days straight from the government website. Shall you tell the people being made redundant or should I that there isn’t any sign of a health service being overwhelmed? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
Anyone that has been regularly looking at that site knows that we’ve not had any problems since May/June. It’s only the government that seem to be ignoring that, anyone with half a brain can see the truth.
We didn’t have any problems in March and April either for that matter!
To all those fat fuckers of the NHS who are sitting at home on their fat arses, get back to work and go on a diet. No work = no pay.
Where can I get a rebate on my NI.
You can’t. NI has nothing to do with the NHS. It’s just a tax.
My understanding is that N.I. funds (or used to) just under 20% of the NHS budget. Given the exorbitant cost of ‘our’ NHS, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask if we’re getting value for money.
https://fullfact.org/health/how-nhs-funded/
Draconian police, some of the videos I’ve collected so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Jb7n_S0M9ao&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiZnV_HjJo&fbclid=IwAR3UkBTgJV0YEwdnp8g-5SUIhgjU3dihv7QQTbSC9dCXnnEiqs406Eg114Q
https://twitter.com/HappyHarryMedia/status/1325014056198172672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlcqA0eq3E
https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/videos/635010897168546/
https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1324356457152872448
https://twitter.com/BrettEverest/status/1324229485932273664
https://twitter.com/LFC_blano/status/1324360568547979265
I think the sainsburys one is old and the police apologised last month .
Now that Biden has ‘won’, at least according to the propaganda put out by the Trump hating MSM, I expect the narrative to change and the extremes of lockdown to be pulled back. The string pulling climate changersXR/lefty/woke/BLMers all have what they want…..or so they think. The infighting will begin and slowly the ‘old normal’ will return.
Au contraire I think they will press on, encouraged by their victories. Why stop now?
Anyway, the PM and the other traitors are in this very deep and need to keep it going or their careers are finished.
It’s not like they have won (if they have) anything like comfortably. No, they will not let up the pressure. And that means keeping the most extreme elements on side.
A nest of vipers, eventually they will turn on and extinguish themselves.
That is my hope and prayer.
The power mad are loving the power, the lazy are loving the free money and many are loving the drama. But where can they go with it?
Well I don’t know why someone would actively try and ruin their own country, but it takes all sorts.
Me neither, but in the last few years my eyes have been opened to things I never thought humanly possible. Many in the name of the good of the people.
Money,blackmail advancement,ideology,take your pick.Patriotism is very thin on the ground if you haven’t noticed.
Indeed. I’m an awful person, without doubt, but however selfish I am, in ruining my own country I am shooting myself in the foot. I guess they live in some bubble where the shit we have to live with doesn’t affect them.
I suspect they are well provided for.
Had a lovely evening yesterday at my in laws. Let a load of fireworks off to advertise the fact we were not complying with lockdown. We left at about 8pm. This morning got a telephone call from sister in law to say that two police officers had called at about 1030pm to say that they had received reports of COVID-19 breaches. Both officers were polite and professional, they asked if they could entre the house and check. They were politely refused and after a short time left. The funny part of the story was that across the road five adults sneaked out of neighbour’s house who where a children’s party had been held in the afternoon. Its not lockdown if you do not comply.
They don’t have the power to enter your house without your consent in England, Wales they do have the power to enter if they suspect someone is breaking the rules.
Wales is Marxist
They love a bit of authoritarianism
Thanks the officers were very professional according to my sister in law. The officers are being placed in a very awkward position.
They should chase murderers and rapists instead. Surely they have better things to do?
Though I suspect Covid-specific units have been set up for answering these calls. They’ll get some scalps from those who don’t understand the law.
They know we are never going to trust them again after this – whether it’s their fault or not – it doesn’t matter really. The consent has already been lost now.
Good for you.
I have non-snitch agreements in place with neighbours opposite and to each side.
Crucially, never let the police in and then they are powerless.
All these fools getting fined let the police in.
Asked, did they? They didn’t knock her down and force a face nappy on her and then ransack the house?
I’m surprised.
Who snitched?
Frequently.
Toby’s revelation about hospital staff being allowed to opt not to work resulting in agency staff being recruited at higher costs brings the madness home.
Monopolies are bad things, they distort markets, but you can have a monopoly employer as well as a monopoly supplier. Collective bargaining between public sector unions & the NHS means that nurses don’t get paid the rate for the job unless they move away from the monopoly employer the NHS.
If the NHS offered say a £10,000 or a £20,000 bonus for the next 3 months there’d be a load of nurses turn up. The price mechanism would solve the problem, a £100,000 bonus would bring nurses from Germany by the train load. These things can be fixed, all you need is a government that believes in free markets & a bit of political will.
Yeah, but, Nick, you don’t understand, the government ‘doesn’t have the money’…
DavidC
(sarc off….)
Where are all these spare nurses coming from? And what happens to the places they have come from who are now short of nurses?
There is a supply side shortage of nurses, and they take a long time to produce. It’s not an ice cream cone.
The price mechanism would then require a reduction in demand since the supply is actually inelastic. Who are you expecting to suffer the reduction so we can have more?
Half the problem is believing price mechanisms have some magic in them. They don’t.
Nursing is a vocation that shouldn’t require a degree to prove that they care.
Apparently more Malawi trained doctors work in the NHS than in Malawi! We already raid the 3rd world for health professionals. It’s a bit late to get moral about it now.
The world is built on price mechanism.Supply and demand is an iron law of economics.If you have less of something then you have to pay more to get it.
Mail has gone full sceptic and people ignoring lockdown. I think the end is near folks
I really hope you’re right.
The Mail – for all its manifest faults – is the smartest reader of public mood of any newspaper and it only turns when it knows the end is coming.
For papers like the Guardian – and for the BBC – a turn now would be utter humiliation. They are screwed and will be looking forward to taking their dogs and Luger into the bunker now
In a year’s time, the Beeb will be fearlessly exposing the Great Covid Lie, in which they were not the least little bit complicit.
As for the Grauniad, I think it will be a case of the ship of sanity sailing without the sinking rats.
It is very close now. The only reason we have gone through this autumn ripple is because the overly long and hard lockdown pushed infections artificially into the autumn. Lockdown has actually caused more “covid deaths” imho because people have been infected when their immune systems are less robust than they would have been if they had been exposed to the virus in the sunshine of April, May and June.
You would get an Autumn ripple anyway because R0 is higher in the Autumn. There may be a little bit of leftover pandemic mixed in with that, it’s hard to say.
Who owns all of the MSM, not the voters. False hope!
They are definitely struggling to keep fear up.
Didn’t see much fear yesterday – our outing in the local woods was busier than it ever was even in the summer. One lady we went past, was laughing and saying to us – “like Piccadilly Circus isn’t it”. All smiles we were. And you couldn’t have squeezed another car in if you’d wanted to in any of the car park areas – rammed it was. Not 1 muzzle to be seen.
yep, never seen it so busy, really.
What do we make of the rise in covid cases in Swindon?
is it a labour council?
Tory, marginally. Why?
It’s a big rise in cases in Swindon General Hospital.
Just wondered, my theory is that labour councils are trying to kill the tories with testing bullshit and harsher covid bollocks.
Oh not more ‘poor ickle Tories’ bollocks. It’s a more widespresd disease than Covid.
Don’t you think that might be a significant factor in Corona bollocks? The fake left trying to de-rail brexit and kill the fascist tories with being extra scared of the covids?
Same with the dems and trump. Kill the fascists (on stage) covid madness?
Then, a Communitarian global uotopia, a political hybrid of fascism and communism. Two cheeks of the same anti-human backside.
No. It’s about panic and ineptitude
The tories and labour both own this.
Probably nothing unusual for the time of year. IF admissions of people are higher its because they are super unhealthy after 7 months of lockdown.
Possibly just crap / wfh journalism again.
There appears to be a decreasing / non growth trend in the community, like everywhere else. I’ve no idea why healthy people get tested other that they have to (care and hospital residents, patients and workers…every week)
Swindon had 81 so called cases on 02/11 (highest point) versus 71 cases a week earlier on 26/10 (previous recent high point). Why report 40 new cases? Crap journalists.
https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/18855265.40-new-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-swindon/
Swindon had 19 cases a day in April when only the seriously ill were being tested. Clearly there would have been many more as that was during the historical Covid19 epidemic which ended in May.
I hate lazy journalism.
“cases” Do you have to ask?
THIS..
https://archive.is/EAIfp#selection-497.0-693.2Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus
Euro Surveill. 2020 Jan 23; 25(3): 2000045.
doi: 10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.3.2000045
PMCID: PMC6988269
PMID: 31992387
Detection of 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) by real-time RT-PCR
Victor M Corman, 1 Olfert Landt, 2 Marco Kaiser, 2 Richard Molenkamp, 3 Adam Meijer, 4Daniel KW Chu, 5 Tobias Bleicker, 1 Sebastian Brünink, 1 Julia Schneider, 1 Marie Luisa Schmidt, 1Daphne GJC Mulders, 3 Bart L Haagmans, 3 Bas van der Veer, 4 Sharon van den Brink, 4Lisa Wijsman, 4 Gabriel Goderski, 4 Jean-Louis Romette, 6 Joanna Ellis, 7 Maria Zambon, 7Malik Peiris, 5 Herman Goossens, 8 Chantal Reusken, 4 Marion PG Koopmans, 3 and Christian Drosten
1ConclusionThe present study demonstrates the enormous response capacity achieved through coordination of academic and public laboratories in national and European research networks.
Keywords: novel coronavirus, RT-PCR, testing, laboratory, diagnostics, Wuhan, 2019-nCoV, outbreak
Go to:
IntroductionAccording to the World Health Organization (WHO), the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown aetiology in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, on 31 December 2019 [1]. A novel coronavirus currently termed 2019-nCoV was officially announced as the causative agent by Chinese authorities on 7 January. A viral genome sequence was released for immediate public health support via the community online resource virological.org on 10 January (Wuhan-Hu-1, GenBank accession number MN908947 [2]), followed by four other genomes deposited on 12 January in the viral sequence database curated by the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAID). The genome sequences suggest presence of a virus closely related to the members of a viral species termed severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-related CoV, a species defined by the agent of the 2002/03 outbreak of SARS in humans [3,4]. The species also comprises a large number of viruses mostly detected in rhinolophid bats in Asia and Europe.
As at 20 January 2019, 282 laboratory-confirmed human cases have been notified to WHO [5]. Confirmed cases in travellers from Wuhan were announced on 13 and 17 January in Thailand as well as on 15 January in Japan and 19 January in Korea. The extent of human-to-human transmission of 2019-nCoV is unclear at the time of writing of this report but there is evidence of some human-to-human transmission.
Among the foremost priorities to facilitate public health interventions is reliable laboratory diagnosis. In acute respiratory infection, RT-PCR is routinely used to detect causative viruses from respiratory secretions. We have previously demonstrated the feasibility of introducing robust detection technology based on real-time RT-PCR in public health laboratories during international health emergencies by coordination between public and academic laboratories [6–12]. In all of these situations, virus isolates were available as the primary substrate for establishing and controlling assays and assay performance.
In the present case of 2019-nCoV, virus isolates or samples from infected patients have so far not become available to the international public health community. We report here on the establishment and validation of a diagnostic workflow for 2019-nCoV screening and specific confirmation, designed in absence of available virus isolates or original patient specimens. Design and validation were enabled by the close genetic relatedness to the 2003 SARS-CoV, and aided by the use of synthetic nucleic acid technology.
I’m more concerned about the rise in cases of the public being shot dead by police in Swindon.
Anyone know what is happening in Sweden?
In what respect? Was pretty normal when I left on Tuesday. Only about 50% mask compliance at Arlanda, 0% in the lounge at the airport.
Malmo FF 3 Sirius 0 at halftime
Huge mink coat sales
To all those so called police officers who signed up to ‘make a difference’, ‘help their community’ and ‘catch bad guys’.
Fuck off, you are a disgrace to your uniform and the people you serve.
Take a long hard look in the mirror and decide if you signed up for this.
Choose your side
Is that really completely fair though? I’m sure that for their monthly pay cheque most police officers have to attend incidents and deal with situations that many of us would find utterly repellent and extremely upsetting. Maybe they deserve a bit of slack at times – they are human too. I had a bit of a run-in (polite, but firm) with a WPC early in all this, and she said that she joined to help out the community. I’m sure she meant what she said.
One of the frightening facets of the covid hysteria is the prospect of society fragmenting and tearing itself apart. We see it on here, and in The Spectator and The Telegraph comments, with contributors having a go at public sector workers, without any apparent justification. It doesn’t sit easy with me.
I get the anger but we should instead appeal to officers’ good sense of proportion. If they apply the four Es and go after the raves rather than the small, discreet family gatherings then I think they can say they have discharged their duties and listened to their consciences too.
No – the job of the police is to enforce the law against real criminals.
As long as ravers don’t bother anyone else they should be able to rave.
They are also free human beings and have a right to associate with each other.
Life. liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Agreed. We’re all free or nobody is.
Ok yes in an ideal world. But the police are deployed to enforce the law and I would just appeal to their sense of proportion. Its a big ask to expect them to refuse to do their jobs. Though we may yet get there…
Enforce the law, OK. Enforce illegal legislation? Use force against peaceful demonstrators? No body should consent to the legislation in the unlawful Coronavirus Act.
The fault lies with every strata in society. They shouldn’t be put in this position. Who’s fault is that?
Good luck with that. personally I’d rather see them going after violent criminals, sexual offenders and burglars.
You can’t break the law a little bit.
Meeting others is either illegal or it isn’t.
I’m sure the Gestapo, the SS, and Stasi thought they were serving their communities.
It is however a cop (sorry) out.
People know right from wrong. They have a free will. They will have to account for their actions
The idea that you can do wrong because everybody else is doing it does not wash
It is not an acceptable excuse for bad behaviour today to say I behaved myself yesterday
Real people are dying at the hands of this regime
Those who collaborate must be dealt with when the time comes
Clearly, there have been some problems – many of them well publicised – with the police response to the coronavirus regulations. But it strikes me that, outside of the major demonstrations, the number of such incidents has actually been quite small.
I say that after having had two run-ins with the police during this tragedy – one of which I could possibly have made a complaint about (I didn’t).
What are the police supposed to do? Say they are not going to enforce a law or regulation because they don’t agree with it? That really would be half way to a police state.
I’d rather have our police than just about anywhere else in Europe. Sure they have faults and have made mistakes, but there has to be leeway on both sides.
I haven’t worn a mask yet. Don’t think I’d have got away with that on the Continent.
So true. There is an authoritarian tradition in Europe which we don’t share. Still some reasons to be thankful to be in England. Some…
Slightly better than utterly crap
“Always look on the bright side of life!”
or death?
You are entitled to our opinion
If you think men hitting defencless women with long batons is OK that’s a matter for you
I don’t.
Then chose your side
I choose my side on 23 March 2020, and had my first run-in with the police on the 27th.
Sorry but after the police response to the person in the supermarket yesterday and the piper today, Fuck em, they are an absolute disgrace.
But this is not helpful, Will. This is falling into the trap the psyops teams have set for us. They want us and the police to hate one another. They want us to say and believe that, because two are bad, therefore all are bad.
Exactly. Divide and rule. We must not play into their hands.
Public sector getting paid to sit at home doing sweet FA is not the same as the thick blue line waddling about telling people they need to mask up. Or harassing veterans. Or pushing bagpipers over.
Fuck em. They do nothing. You have to threaten to do wrong to motivate them to do their fucking jobs.
So fuck your sanctimonious bullshit ok?
‘Sanctimonious bullshit’ is what you’ve just written in response to TJN’s comment.
That may be true but I’ll never support them Or assist them in any way again
There are police constables and police officers. As I understand it, constables keep the peace – i.e. deal with common law problems – person-on-person crimes. Officers deal with infractions of legislation and statutes.
Actually, you make some fair comments here. The reason for these problems run deep though, I would think.
But the main point of my post is that I think we must be careful as a society not to turn against ourselves. And I wrote it as someone who has, for example, never had to attend an RTA.
No need to be sorry kh. It’s always fine to have a discussion with someone coming from a different perspective. Sorry to hear about your experiences, especially when you were younger. Clearly, here are problems with policing in this country. Just as clearly, there have been problems in dealing with the cv regulations – especially during demonstrations.
But the original post I responded to was basically telling all police to fuck off, even if they joined up to do good as they saw it. I disagree with that, and am quite happy to take the criticism for saying it.
Supporting TJN in this debate. I’ve had terrific encounters with police. Out society has become corrupted and rotten, but it’s not East Germany yet.
The gov is actively trying to force a police state on us – to go from a position where, in theory and sometimes/often in practice, the bobby on the beat is one of and serves the public …. to one where they are an enforcement arm of tyranny.
We should not be helping the gov. Feel very strongly about this, and very distressed, we need to try to keep things as they should be, not loudly declaim them to be the very thing we do not want.
The Met police seem much less reasonable than other forces. Yes, we’ve seen a handful of ignorant little jobsworths throwing their weight about in other parts of the country but there seems to be a real nastiness at the heart of the Met.
Yep, this has been the case for a long time. SPG anyone ?
Yrah, they’re always around when there’s no danger – to them.
I think you are right here and disagree with TJN. I know a copper who tells me about a third of them think this is all shit and dont regard it as proper police work. The other two thirds are loving their new powers…he tells me the younger more PC graduate coppers are the worst. Well thats a surprise isnt it!
hear! hear!
“The Sunday Times‘s Tim Shipman reveals that a member of Biden’s campaign team has accused Johnson of making “racist comments” in the past …”
Wow! So Biden’s team got something right …. and the Sunday Times has just caught up with the bleedin’ obvious.
Hold the front page!
Let him ride his hobby horses, Danny.
Speak for yourself. We aren’t all right wing.
I thought yesterday people had decided to put all the left right shit to bed and unite against lock down .I’m on the left but the only thing i care about is when push comes to shove that the person next to me has my back and i have his .For those who don’t know it’s called camaraderie .
Biden is so far gone he’ll probably expect Al Johnson to sing Mammy over the phone to him, perhaps BJ will black up for extra brownnosey points.
While they’re at it team Biden might like to review the Big Guy’s treatment of Clarence Thomas.
I heard reports coming out that he asked ‘Now I’ve won, when do I move into the big house Buckingham Palace?’
@Rick H. Someone I was talking to the other day said that he’d got it on good authority that apparently you said that ****s are ****y, and that ******* ****** was a dirty ***** ******. So don’t try and pretend you’re virtuous. You’ve been outed!
If you’re still thinking in terms of left and right, you got on the wrong bus. It’s literally right vs wrong now, good vs evil.
I think you completely missed the point!
With collateral non-Covid lockdown deaths expected in coming months to be in the hundreds of thousands is it not time to recognise that charges of genocide against numerous political, administrative, scientific and medical people are best heard not in a British court of law but in some new, supra-national Nuremberg Tribunal?
I believe Chris Whitty has said the deaths of people who did not go to hospital because of the stay at home – save the NHS message should be counted as deaths due to the pandemic. Perhaps he is likely to claim any future deaths from list treatment and poverty in the same way. It seems to me he is preparing ground the claim it was the pandemic rather than the government measures.
He would try to say that. However people that die from real Covid normally have breathing issues and the chances of them not going to hospital is very slim. Nice try Whittless
Saw a post the other day somewhere that said – next time someone dies at home from [suicide, preventable disease, restricted access to care, etc] put their local MP’s name as the cause, on the death cert! *assuming they voted for lockdown*
no need to aim quite so high – the crime of gross negligence manslaughter in the uk courts would more than likely do the trick – max sentence life imprisonment!
There will be such trials.I know it’s hard to imagine, but our foul tyrants are not the foulest. The courts will be very, very busy.
Veteran assaulted by police on Remembrance Sunday
Please Watch & Share – Game Over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3iXXZTjF2E
A National Disgrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZV7tIq-ph0
Fucking pigs
No words.
Well that was disappointing.
Mr Bart and I tried to go to the Cenotaph and found it was blocked by the police and yet again many of them were masked. I mean, why?? Its outdoors and I think they should never be allowed to muzzle up. I felt sorry for the veterans who turned up only to be turned away.
I think its a disgrace that ordinary people were not allowed to pay their respects. OK fair that the royals were there but this is one occasion where we all come together.
And after seeing that footage of a piper being assaulted, my respect for the police has now evaporated for good. I now no longer have any sympathy or respect for them and for months now, I have been avoiding them like the plague.
They will get their just desserts and I shan’t shed any tears for them.
They are a bit like armed nurses these days.
An out-of-control bunch of paramilitary thugs. They shot a man dead in Swindon earlier today too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-54862787
A guy was shot dead in Swindon too!
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18855612.street-closed-fatal-firearms-incident-rodbourne/
Swindon???
OOps I thought you said Sweden!
lol I need new glasses
Did he refuse to wear a face nappy?
Yes he HAD TO GO
A spokesman said: “We would, however, like to reassure the public there is no risk to the wider community and that there is likely to be an increased police presence in the area for a considerable time.”
Ha! Contradictory statement!
Yep. I can imagine that increasingly people are holding the police, NHS and retail and hospitality staff in contempt.
They should learn quickly that “I was only following orders” won’t wash.
I reckon the muzzles are to reinforce the propaganda and also to intimidate and it does give them some anonymity to behave how they like,I know they have numbers but we don’t know if those are even real.
Muzzles are the only visible sign that there may be something dangerous out there because nothing else in your day to day life tells you that. They are essential to the fear propaganda.
TSG happily sit in their vans maskless looking at their phones.Muzzle up when ready for action.
Of course, if it comes to a bun fight, you can pull a facemask away from the face, and if the elastic ears stay in place, let go again. It bloody hurts.
Agree and its also to avoid taking any responsibility should a complaint be lodged against them.
Deserts (what they deserve) , not desserts ( = pudding or afters).
If somebody poisons their desserts they will certainly get their just deserts.
Not all of the police are like that, please, and all of them have people who love them.
We need to stay on the same side and not create ourselves the police state Patel is forcing upon us
I agree.
3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.
…
(2) The requirement in paragraph (1) does not apply—
f)to a constable or police community support officer acting in the course of their duty;
Agreed and the masking just apes the thugs in Melbourne who started this. Its a way of reminding people whose boss and worryingly an anticipation to everyone being told to wear them outside. Thats why I despise those members of the public who voluntarily wear them outside….they are just giving encouragement to the government to go down that road.
If you saw the size of s good proportion of the nurses at our local hospital you wouldn’t be surprised that there’s a shortage once given the nod to slope off home if you’re obese.
Yep, your post reminded me of the following article from one of our local rags down here on the south coast from April
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/national/18404820.twin-sisters-die-within-days-testing-positive-covid-19/
Note the article didn’t say what the “underlying health issues” were. Looking at those photos though, I think we have a pretty damn good idea …
Spot on, I know a number of nurses, and have had the misfortune of having to associate with a many more over the course of this year and for so called ‘health’ professionals they are some of the most obese, unhealthy lot (in general) that I have seen.
I used to volunteer with the elderly. I once had occasion to have to call paramedics to help with a lady who had “collapsed” awkward in her doorway.
When they finally arrived 40minutes later on a January day, I left to carry on tending to my other vulnerable clients. 20minutes or so later I drove past the house, to see 2 more paramedics try to help the lady.
One reason they were struggling, all 4 of them were quite overweight!
Keep using Their Tool… but please, just stop complaining!
And quoting a moron slave:
Brainless!
I think Pokemon was a trial of covid tracking technology and a study of how people move around and associate.
Hummmm….Like flat earth was a trial of AI to drive and suppress narratives.
Why should anyone tolerate any gaps in safeguards? Horse…stable door.. bolted springs to mind.
By all means throw away your smart phone, maybe you should throw away all your computers or do they only become dangerous when you can fit them in your pocket?
If you think that will save anyone from what is coming you will be disappointed. If the government does not intend to respect your liberty no amount of self sacrificing modern technology will save you.
I don’t give a small fart it modern moron slaves stop using “smartphones”… For me they deserve this and more.
Update from Norfolk ! Good turn out today at the local war memorial – north of 50 people – arrived at about 10.50 and people just kept appearing until 11. Beautiful sunny day – very powerful feeling around it felt defiant – no signs of official intrusion other than a WPC who arrived just before 11 but stood on the edge and didn’t interfere. Driving through other villages shortly after people still hanging around by churches / memorials. Where I was the roll call of the fallen included four brothers in WW1 – whatever these fuck@rs try to do they will never stop the urge to honour those who fought for freedom – I think today was the day when a lot of usually law abiding citizens decided enough was enough.
I hope you are right. There is a greater Law than the laws issued by fools and tyrants.
Same in Manchester, we were part of a group totalling 65-70. Vicar came from the local church and did a lovely service, wanted to cheer when he tore his mask off. What was evident was that a significant number 60% plus were >70yrs. Lovely to see them out and about, included one elderly chap who was in a wheelchair being looked after by a carer. We drove past 4 other memorials on the way home and it was obvious there had been a good turnout.
I had a chat with a Brummy relative tonight who was a leading doorstep clapper in Lockdown V1, even he is moving to the (dark) sceptical side.
Thousands demonstrating in Manchester today against the lock down but totally ignored by THE MSM politicians cant keep there heads in the sand forever, anger is building and if this goes on much longer there will be violence iam sure .
Hopefully no violence! Just people getting out in large fuckin numbers all over the land.
ASAP!
I agree, we must stay peaceful.
The demos in Germany are all peaceful and it makes an impact, also on the police. Only a peaceful demonstration will allow others to go ahead.
The poll tax was scrapped after the riots
not just the big riot in London, there were marches in every town in the land.
We can’t afford to do riots. That will be the excuse they’re looking for to impose martial law. It’s absolutely imperative the protests stay peaceful, despite the amount of provocation from HMG.
Many many people were filming on phones so it will go on social media which seems to be maybe more relevant. Strangely I only found out about the Manchester protest because the Telegraph said there was to be one, it’s interesting that they had chosen to mention where protests were going to be held. MSM can keep ignoring but these protests must be getting noticed as they are huge now.
The advantage of keeping them peaceful is that the police look like idiots when they come wading in with batons, horses, dogs… I’ve noticed the crowds have increased too. Now if all these people come to London on the 28th as well as last month’s turnout…
Has anyone else heard that Imperial College are sending letters to parents of school children “inviting” them to come and get their child tested and be paid £100 for the privilege?!?! And each child – in return for their saliva – is issued a barcode. Who is creating a digital inventory of human beings??! I am aghast. Please report if you have heard anything like this (in addition to the Liverpool project!)
Children=Human capital
Children = Scapegoats
It just gets darker. Sorry all! Deleted my previous in case it triggered anyone. Bit too dark, maybe?
Children was Dr Mengele’s specialty
Especially twins.
We have all been monitored by bar code for years. Or at least anyone with a library or supermarket card. The creep of the amount of data people don’t realise is held about them has been phenomenal. I’m sure most wouldn’t bat an eyelid about this, unfortunately.
Well, I had a letter from ONS/Imperial inviting me to register my child to be part of the REACT study last week. It didn’t mention payment however, so perhaps this is something different?
You will be scanned at the checkout.
WARNING! UNIDENTIFIED HUMAN IN BAGGING AREA!
He was turning and all they needed to do was gently keep him on track and playing. What they did instead was to shove him
FACE NAPPY FASCISTS!
Met Police have had a busy weekend imposing Priti Patels tyrannical orders.
Dozens of them clamping down on free speech at Speakers Corner again today. The country sadly seems lost whilst the masses are propagandised by big tech and the MSM.
Piers Corbyn Speakers Corner Multiple Arrests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lG6EA06ps
Have they found the “chatty rat” yet?
I was just wondering if Boris talks in his sleep?
Don’t hold your breath – It’s a fucking pantomime to Pfeffel.
Is it an anagram?
I would bet money on it being Gove, and Gove is too important to go at this point, so it will all be hushed up.
I’m betting on Hancock. The man gets a touch-on at the thought of all that power to micromanage people’s lives. I expect he’s been salivating at the prospect of total control again.
Yes, he’s my second choice. But I think this kind of thing is more Gove-ish. He’s slippery, I feel like he’s up to something. Hancock on the other hand is just plain nasty but perhaps lacks the ability to scheme on such a scale.
It’s a close-run thing between them though, I admit.
I’m surprised Gove didn’t keep a back seat over Covid. I would have thought it was perfectly obvious that fatigue over lockdown would set in fairly quickly. He’s definitely a slippery character!
It wouldn’t surprise me if Gove was both Hawk and Dove (hate those expressions); he’s just playing the political game.
I wonder if he thinks he’s Francis Urquhart; and living in a real life version of House of Cards.
Remember how we all thought he was on our side when he said that masks wouldn’t become compulsory in shops?
I couldn’t possibly comment.
Looks like the tactics of the Territorial Support Group, they always push someone over (ideally a women) in order to try to get a violent response. Thank god normal people have camera footage exposing these police thugs – the MSM would never give this coverage.
I don’t think there is any evidence at all that Trump was following any strategy. Certainly not that of the Great Barrington Declaration which includes support for the vulnerable. Given the state of American healthcare for those without resources this is hardly likely. I’d argue that there was little direction at all. To be frank, given he appears to be less than entirely sane I’m glad he lost. Biden is no great shakes but at least he will present a more normal America and hopefully stabilise matters.
Public Health Policy is a state responsibility rather than a Federal one. The fact that different responses have been implemented in different states is a great way to compare and contrast approaches.
A point hardly ever made by our Trump-hating media,
Trump appointed Scott Atlas as an advisor and he does favour herd immunity.
I can only assume Atlas will be no longer be part of the new administration.
Big shame as the guy talks pure common sense.
I think his downfall wasn’t coming out and saying he was following GBD. It just looked like he was winging it – which he probably was.
That’s because he wasn’t.
I definitely not sorry Trump was defeated
Though I despair of Biden’s views on covid it will be long gone before he gets to the White House and Trump was never for the ordinary people. The only person Trump is capable of caring about is himself.
There’s no sign of it being gone politically by January. What makes you think that?
I completely and utterly disagree.
Biden is openly pro mask mandates and has promised to appoint a task force to defeat the virus (what a nincompoop). Blue states locked down like mad with terrible results. Red states resisted with better results.
Trump told people not to worry too much about the virus, compared it to flu, and appointed a sceptic to the group looking at the virus response.
Is Trump perfect? No. Is he something of an arse? Probably? Did he have a coherent covid strategy? Probably not. But he instinctively knew it was nothing to get overly concerned about, and had the balls to say it.
Biden and the Dems are 100% bought into the narrative of a “pandemic” about which something must be done.
Nothing normal about Biden or the Dems, yes Trump was an inconsistent yahoo but Biden is a weaselly politician and the Dems are more obsessed with destructive, divisise identity politics than the Republicans. Stabilise? Doubt it.
Sorry but if someone wants to convince me that a Biden victory is anything but a bad thing for sceptics, they are going to have to do more.
The only argument I have seen that holds some water, posted by someone here earlier, is that Trump was a figure people loved to hate and him identifying with scepticism was bad for our movement. I think there is some truth in that, but we have gone from an imperfect supporter (Trump) to a fully bought and paid for enemy (Biden) so not much of an improvement.
Not saying anything other than I’d rather not have Trump as any sort of example to follow.
Trump flip flopped on masks .At first being against and then saying it was peoples patriotic duty to wear them and then seeming to go off them again when it became a big sticking point between him and Biden .Your right he did appoint Scot Atlas at the end but it took a while to get a sceptic in place and come out with a more sceptical position . I can see why people wanted Trump as he would on the whole be better for the cause but i think because the election is close we will not see a lot of difference .Biden can not force the republican states to shut down nor shut the whole country down so he needs to come up with a plan that works . Lets see what that plan is? before we think were doomed because America aint the U K and they won’t keep the whole country on furlough . I think if Trump had of come out full on sceptic at the start he would of walked it ,it was the dithering that put people off .In times of crisis people look to strong leaders who make decisions and stick to them . Trumps problem is the same as Johnson .They talk a good struggle but don’t live up to it .
Not sure why this has been downvoted so much. Both Trump and Biden are unsuitable for office IMO, albeit for different reasons. Neither appear to me to be sane in the usual sense of the word. Either way I doubt it will make any huge difference to the UK’s covid policy which seems to be pretty much “baked in”, to steal a phrase from Whitty and Vallance.
Same people will control America no matter who is the front man – bankers, billionaires and the military complex. Illusion of democracy.
Trump may have taken time to understand the job but has done more in four years than Biden did in 47.
The main achievement of Biden was to make himself very wealthy by selling his name and influence, plus, to paraphrase, setting up the biggest voter fraud organisation in American history.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/24/joe-biden-touts-most-extensive-inclusive-voter-fraud-organization-in-history-of-american-politics/
I’d have Trump over any other politician I can think of. He’s done what he’s supposed to: work on behalf of America and its people.
One way of looking at it is that while Trump was accused of spreading the virus by not taking it seriously enough (the words a number of my US friends have used), a lot of anti-Trump voters could blame what was hyped as a deadly plague onto him. Now he is soon to be deposed, he will cease to be a convenient scapegoat and the Dems will have to show they can “defeat the dreadful virus” which we know they can’t, and their ludicrous attempts with masks/draconian lockdowns etc will be more clearly seen for the fraud and tyranny that they are. Trump was a useful distraction, a smokescreen: when misery is heaped upon misery, the average American person will wake up – as is starting to happen over here.
Wasn’t a great choice. But I’m not defending Trump and I don’t think he did the sceptic cause any good.
At least he doesn’t have obvious early dementia or used his family’s name and his position in the U.S. administration to sell out his country for money.
The man who spearheaded a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality is a homophobe.
The man who negotiated 4 historic peace deals and managed to avoid having to go to war against a NATO ally is a warmonger.
The man who brought troops home does not value the US military.
The man who fixed the VA thinks people wounded or killed in war are “losers and suckers”.
The man who increased funding for black colleges and universities and locked it in for 10 years hates black people.
The man who created Opportunity Zones to revitalize distressed communities hates minorities.
The man who champions school choice hates the poor.
The man who presided over the biggest increase in median household earnings in decades hates the middle class.
The man who began closing the wealth gap, is only in it for his own financial gain.
The man who reduced our dependence on communist China hates democracy.
The man who reopened the Iron Range and created hundreds of thousands of high paying resource jobs hates the working class.
The first man in American history whose net worth went down while he was president is a greedy fat cat.
The man who instituted prison reform and criminal justice reform is a racist sociopath.
The man who had a record number of small donations to his campaign and funded much of it out of his own pocket is a Wall Street shill.
The man who doesn’t take a salary as president is not paying his fair share.
The man who appointed the first openly gay person to his cabinet is anti-gay.
The man who wants to take his case to court and let the court decide is a dictator.
The man who followed the constitution and allowed the states to generate their own coronavirus policy failed on coronavirus.
The man who presided over the single largest quarterly rise in GDP is destroying the economy.
The man who told his supporters to vote in person so there’d be no cheating is trying to steal the election.
Normal America??
Which of these situations looks more normal to you?
https://rumble.com/vauxz7-when-trump-enters-a-rally-vs.-when-biden-enters-a-rally.html?fbclid=IwAR1jHk5SdavFFQQWneQhNJCs6HqLbIvQY8gL1iCc42JrDqWDRiuODyS29Ys
Sir Desmond Swayne and sadly only perhaps a couple of others in Parliament actually get what the country has become.
“Totalitarian state!” Desmond Swayne condemns ban on singing in publichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0zbf1lmcHk
That a minister (I will not capitalise that word) seeks to make light of a ban on singing would have once shocked me. No longer.
Top line: “Hold this.”
Good lad. It’s NOT a good idea for the police to upset the veterans. The Armed Forces used to be a lot bigger. There are a lot of us.
Also, scuffles in Liverpool at the anti-lockdown protest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWScXmRVCD8
Ladies and gentlemen, the anger is building. Not long now before the safety valve pops off.
Police always start the trouble yet media always report ‘protestors clash with police’. It’s about time the police stepped back from imposing draconian rules if the government won’t – they seem to be moving to a heavy handed continental style of policing like in France and Spain.
I’m afraid to say that a LOT of Continental practices have crept in that are totally alien to our way of life. Double jeopardy, on-the-spot fines, threats to trial-by-jury, are just three examples.
And the police do start it, seen it with my own eyes since I started protesting.
Right now we have a government that’s trying to lock us up, a police force that’s trying to enforce it and an NHS that’s refusing to treat us. Every one of these organisations is supposed to serve us. If you don’t think something has gone very wrong you’re not paying attention.
Nah its fine.
All perfectly justified. As zombies say, ‘Don’t you know there’s a pandemic on? The aim is to save ME. So put on your face nappy, lock yourself up, and die of cancer at home so that I can get treatment in case I get Covid.’
So two stories this week conflicted with me massively. There was the poor lady who got arrested for trying to take her mother from a care home and then in the same week David Beckham goes to visit the Chelsea Pensioners…where’s the logic..?!!! I’d love to hear from anyone who can clarify this one for me as I’m having trouble on this one ….
Chelsea Pensioners are so great they don’t get covids.
God the hypocrisy- it makes me mad… and breathe…
And Beckham is exempt from whatever he wants to be exempt from I assume.
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/
Wikileaks have dumped their entire database online (maybe Trump and Assange did cut a deal after all)
In a crazy world every theory (Conspiracy or otherwise) is worthy of some consideration.
wow
Call me lazy but I’ll let someone else find the interesting stuff
I didn’t even click, what is there, like all the worlds telephone directories in a big text file?
Yawn….boring.
A long list of data links with relevant dates. None appear to be recent, but there’s some interesting stuff in there, like a US intelligence assessment of increasing left-wing extremist cyber threats. This is dated 2009. Looks like they were right, with the far left working for big tech companies to censor everyone they disagree with, including the President of the United States.
Files about swine flu, congress torture briefings, etc.
Swine flu is an interesting one, with the same bunch of people trying to create global panic and same dishonest modeling.
Wow indeed
Check this one out https://file.wikileaks.org/file/yes-we-can.mp4
A little eerie …
The secret society stuff and the freemason lists are good.
Recommending Vitamin D! Now Trump’s toast how long before Hydrochloriquine is back on the menu?
Interesting that all my fellow quacks I talk to have been taking Vit D and recommending it to their patients, friends and families for years. Yet NICE was advising there was no evidence for it’s use in June this year. I’m also convinced by the evidence for hydroxychloroquine but then I don’t have any shares in big pharma!
Would be interesting to hear from the other doctors who contribute. All I know about Hydroxychloroquine is that my daughter, who has JDM, was on it for a year to suppress her immune system; which seems like a sensible thing to try to do if the immune system is heading towards a cytokine storm.
Government can only work with the consent of those governed. From all I’ve seen today, it seems that consent is being withdrawn. Those in power have a choice: increasingly authoritarian enforcement of the lockdown or realisation of their mistakes and stepping back from the brink.
You are right. The appalling fear is the signs everywhere that they are choosing to go on. That the Rubicon is already crossed.
UK Mockdown…Day 3
It’s going well innit….
England Mockdown Day 4
day four already? how time flies
Yep!
Anyway. Great lunch with younger son and family. No knock on door from Mr Plod!
that you would have totally ignored in any event i hope
Indeed. An Englishman’s home is still his castle!
Yes, I’m wondering what will happen next too. This time feels so different from the first lockdown. People are just carrying on as best they can, the roads and streets seem no quieter than they did on Wednesday. As far as I can see the only effect of this lockdown will be to send more small businesses bankrupt and ruin what was left of the economy. It’s making the government look weak and irrelevant. I’m surprised Hancock hasn’t been out frothing at the mouth and threatening to cancel our exercise privileges like he did last time. Maybe even he can see what a bad idea that would be at this point in the proceedings.
He’ll be cancelling Christmas, like Alan Rickman’s sheriff of Nottingham….
The first lockdown people either believed that covid was super dangerous or though it might be. Now we know it isn’t, a lot of us do anyway, everything has changed – they lockdown because they want to. Astonishing how quickly people have become accustomed to living under tyrrany.
Some are still locking themselves down. Many, maybe. Let them. Let them stay locked down until they rot.
” the only effect of this lockdown will be to send more small businesses bankrupt and ruin what was left of the economy “
This is precisely the intention – to make the proles dependent upon the state. Then everyone else.
Why would that be a goal? Who pays for it all? What’s a prole vs a non prole? Genuine questions
At the moment the Bank of England is paying.QE is up to £895 billion.Later could be the world bank /IMF
I think the aim is to destroy the economy and build it back in a zero carbon way.
Thank you DocRC. if you don’t mind I’ll use that in my weekly letter to my MP
please do!
Draconian enforcement at this stage will misfire. They’ve wagered everything on the belief that we are all sheeples who will consent to absolutely anything and bleat for more. For a long time, that looked to be true. As soon as it ceases to be true, They are scuppered.
Piers Corbyn was arrested yet again on the 5th November and kept in custody for 23 hours 58 minutes. Shame that so few in the public eye are standing up to the tyranny the way he is. Authorities seem afraid of Piers Corbyn and other anti lockdown protestors given their increasingly disproportionate and tyrannical responses.
Piers Corbyn released from Lewisham Police Station 6.11.2020 https://www.bitchute.com/video/OnVGVwn0ut0Z/
Arrested AGAIN. Piers….
5 times this year, probably a record for someone over 70?
Piers Corbyn is not 100% my cup of tea, but I do support him in this. I’m glad the authorities are afraid of somebody. I suspect they are starting to fear us now as well. That can only be a good thing.
You can only admire the man and his bravery and conviction.
Agree.
Piers is getting the Tommy Robinson treatment. The police are doing their best to get him to back off…
2020 – THE YEAR THE MEDIA BROKE THE WORLD.
The MSM media is a faceless monster with no-one accountable. They rule the world. And have done for decades. Call me naive, but my gut says there is no “big reset” or pharma conspiracy. If you go back to the early WHO COVID19 press conferences, mostly what you saw were the rabid, over-excited press, railroading the officials into recommending the lockdowns.
I remember Boris, mid-March, saying he would never lockdown London. Two weeks later the whole country was in lockdown. Prof Ferguson could not have promoted his appalling predictions without the MSM (and its new equally powerful follower, the social media).
I’ve lived in various countries around the world. Most have a MSM with the same agenda of spreading the fear and division that sells their papers/fills their 24 hour a day airtime. Sweden and a few others didn’t succumb. Their leaders were more gutsy or less afraid of losing the popular vote, I’m guessing. But they are in the minority.
This chaos will continue until the media loses its power. How that happens, I have no idea.
The media are right up there with the other principal culprits
They have been shameful and wicked
Dead tree press and TV broadcasters especially.
The media have merely been the servants of their masters.
If the government had shown a bit of backbone (I know, with the Boneless Wonder in charge it’s hardly likely), this would have been nowhere near as bad. A firm “make sure the reporting is balanced” would have been enough. They could still have had their lurid headlines, just displayed a more balanced article. I suspect the government was quite happy with the MSM as it acted..
Far more sinister has been the actions of the Dr Frankenstein committee, aka SAGE. I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist myself, but I do suspect that if any conspiracy exists, it will be in Whitehall’s corridors, rather than the UN or Davos.
Either way, the truth will out, soon or late.
The media did the governments bidding during lockdown.They were the biggest spenders on advertising for 5 months.
Lest we forget Spi bs infamous memo and Johnson’s loved ones will die speech.The government used the media to panic us into lockdown and ensure compliance,not the other way.
Well said!
World leaders mostly inhabit the same world, meeting, talking, traveling. They sign treaties, etc, which constrain them to impose similar policies upon their citizens. It’s not a conspiracy of a few people in dark rooms. It’s big conferences and summits. It’s not hidden.
Good description
They do. But that they have almost all acted in the same way does show a distinct lack of vision on their part.
You make a good point about SAGE. But it doesn’t explain why most of the world locked down. It makes more sense to me that the media dictated the narrative from the start. There would have been mass fear induced hysteria if Governments hadn’t supported that narrative. Even as I write this, I know it still doesn’t answer the SAGE anomaly to my theory. Maybe they’re having the ride of their life too?
Or are mostly made up of people scared of succumbing to the virus themselves. Whatever, it’s a mess. Short of an imminent coming of the next Messiah (I’m not religious, so don’t hold up much hope) we are on course for, at best, a painfully slow mass awakening to the horror of what the lockdown has done to humanity. And all those who have ever enabled the lockdown (including the MSM, SAGE, etc) will not be encouraging that anytime soon.
We won’t really know until the dust has settled, but I suspect lockdowns have been a sort of domino effect. Clueless politicians had no idea what to do. They see that China locks down (a province anyway), and other countries in Asia follow suit with one form or another. Trouble is, politicians were having to act on the hoof, so they just copied what the neighbours were doing.
Media always tries to dictate the narrative, a decent leader has a counter narrative. I can’t imagine Margaret Thatcher or Tony Blair being bounced by the media in this way, whatever we think of their policies or of them as politicians.
Someone (can’t remember right now who) recently said that it wasn’t so much a conspiracy as a lot of people all going in the same direction, but more like a flock of starlings or shoal of fish. There’s no leader, but they all leap on the same set of ideas and policies, because they have the same fundamental set of beliefs.
I don’t think they have a set of beliefs tbh. It’s a shame they don’t, things might be better then. Believing in the people of your own country is a good start if you want their votes.
They have a common set of beliefs, if totalitarianism can be so described.
Fascists in England, Stalinists in Wales and Scotland, fuck-all difference to those on the receiving end,
In the West the MSM has also been captured by our enemies, people who don’t wish us well in any respect: Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and scretive billionaires. Add to them the Big Tech billionaires who are using their monopoly position to enforce censorship while propagandising for PC ideology.
I was escorted out of Speakers Corner this afternoon by a chief inspector and 2 PCs. He started with a bit of a diatribe about how we were preventing them from catching rapists (as if..) but after a few minutes of my impassioned defence of our ancient liberties and putting the virus in its place as somewhat like a severe flu season – with which he agreed – we parted on good terms. I think I had successfully engaged and explained and moved him in maybe a small way towards scepticism.
Well done. Brilliant
The fact that he used the ‘catching rapists’ line suggest he is a complete lier. They would probably be out terrorising some other innocent person if they weren’t at Speakers Corner. There was a very small crowd there – no need for any police presence. Most Met officers seem beyond any hope, I can only assume they are completely brainwashed by their superiors at the station.
The only think you prevented him doing was beating up innocent protesters ,pushing veterans to the floor and practising taking the knee .
You should have asked him how many rapists he has caught thus far in his career. Probably zero.
If he really wanted to be catching rapists he should ask to be transferred to Rotherham.
You’re very brave! You should be proud of yourself.
Many congratulations. You should get a medal from the Free Speech Union.
The US Election continues to attract a lot of attention here – rightly so I think since pro Lockdown-Maskism is so identified with anti-Trumpism, there was so much censorship during the campaign (just as there has been regarding Covid) and now the media are ignoring constitutional norms and basic elements of fair processes under the law (pretty much as with Covid).
I just wanted to put this point to the fair minded. The popular vote polls were out by about 4.5% in terms of Biden’s lead over Trump. The opinion polls gave Biden a 1.2% lead over Trump in Pennsylvania. If we apply the 4.5% discrepancy to that lead, it becomes a 3.3% lead for Trump, so he wins PA handsomely, in the same way he won next door Ohio handsomely. I’m not saying it’s a QED but it surely gives fair minded people pause for thought.
Just been getting my head around all the rules in England, as well as the set in Wales, and bloody hell the lot in Scotland is impossible! We have truly had a Marxist takeover. To be clear, that’s a Groucho Marxist takeover, not a Karl Marxist takeover.
the rules are totally mind boggeling.
They are.
I’d call it technocratic fascism but other than that I would agree.
I wouldn’t be a member of any takeover that would haver me as a member…
I think it’s been both. The State has, in a surreptitious way, taken people’s businesses from them. They have placed arbitrary, non-scientifically backed restrictions and closures on businesses with no recourse or compensation for the owners. And what’s sick is that they’ve done it in the name of “safety” so that the general public doesn’t even register that it really is a Marxist takeover.
I’m not sure anyone really knows what the rules are any more, and I don’t think most people care – judging by how many people are out and about and acting as normal.
Thankful not to be in Greece which is entering full lockdown. If you want to leave your home, for one of the few specified reasons, you have to text the government first. Greece was one of the least affected European countries back in the Spring and I think they must know they have some vulnerable elderly now. As we all know lockdowns only kick the can down the road – if you’re one of the unfortunate (elderly) few going to die of/with covid, you’re going to die of/with covid, it’s just a matter of when.
The Times are saying big tech, MSM and the government are going to work together to censor and criminalise any questioning of vaccines. Yet they had an article yesterday confirming what people are soon to be attacked and possibly arrested for saying.
Coronavirus vaccine campaign will admit that jab may not be 100% safe
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-vaccine-campaign-will-admit-that-jab-may-not-be-100-safe-wszgv3k86
I get the strong impression we are going to be propagandised and then if that fails forced another way to take whatever they tell us to – our bodies now belong to the almighty state. Very sinister.
Hearing the same thing from my contacts on the Continent, and worse.
More scared today than ever.
It is the thing I am most fearful of but I am hopeful lawyers will act on this. It gave me courage that many of the chants today were against vaccination.
The trouble is most ‘human rights’ / ‘civil liberties’ lawyers don’t really believe in either, they are essentially far left political activists. I don’t see any speaking out against the 200+ peaceful protestors being ‘kettled’ by the Met police on Thursday night and then being held in custody for up to 24 hours – many weren’t even offered water for hours.
What are they doing here to give us leadership when we need it?
There will be a bullet in my head before the state forces me to do anything I don’t want to with my own body.
They will need a lot of bullets for a lot of heads.
“Not 100% safe”? Covid has a 99.8% survival rate for fuck’s sake. The vaccine cannot be riskier than the disease.
yer…BUT
I still wouldn’t want to catch it
Worried about the potential lOnG tErM dAmAgE?
Bingo! It can’t be safer than taking your chances with Covid. The vaccine is way riskier for the younger people who have a near zero chance of dying and it won’t be particularly effective in the most vulnerable population, the elderly, who can’t mount a robust immune response. The bar has been lowered so much that the approval for a vaccine will be granted if the vaccine merely reduces mild symptoms. There is no requirement for it to actually stop transmission of Covid or even reduce severe symptoms. The only reason I’m sleeping at night is that in Canada we have very strict laws against medical interventions without informed consent. Yes, they may try to bribe us to take the vaccine by limiting our ability to get along in the world, but this will be fought all the way to the Supreme Court.
It’s as I said some time ago, the upside of the Covid crisis is that for the first time the spotlight will be shone on vaccine safety. Till now Big Pharma and the Dodgy Docs (backed up by a compliant media) have got away with the lying implication that all vaccines are 100% safe and improve the health of the individuals receiving them and of the community at large.
I admit to having had my own eyes opened with this one.
I wasn’t aware they test vaccines against other vaccines – not placebos! I find that quite incredible.
We’ve all learnt a lot over the last few months e.g. that anyone can be an epidemiologist and make predictions as good as, or probably better than, the alleged “experts”!
Quote:
Barely half of Britons say that they will definitely be vaccinated against coronavirus, and plans being developed in government aim to acknowledge concerns to ensure the undecided are not swayed by antivax propaganda.
So, if the Fascists invoke the Mental Health. Act as they threatened, over half the population will be declared insane, and sectioned?
It’s a mad world, my masters.
And how quaint that ‘anti-vaxxers’ are guilty of ‘propaganda’, whereas if the government echo the anti-vaxxers’ warnings, they’re actually justifying the vaccine.
‘This is to inform you that the vaccine we are about to ram into you is untested, quite possibly unsafe, and quite certainly ineffective, but if you refuse it you’re mad, which entitles us to force it on you for the Greater Good.’
A lot of people just go off what they hear on msm and social media, showed my niece the government website today, and she was amazed at the flatline, the actual numbers of deaths etc, people really have soaked up the propaganda
Yes, sooner or later we’ll get a mass campaign under way to get the truth out and things will turn more quickly
I know this sounds simplistic, but if they don’t look at the facts… how will they know the facts?
We have to shove the facts into their. stupid faces.Keep it up with the leafets, stickers etc.
https://twitter.com/js100js100/status/1325515494993092610?s=20
Awesome!
Brain bleach is needed after perusing the Graun for a long length of time
Sneaked into Pembrokeshire this afternoon in the last day of the “firebreak”, to our cottage in a small seaside village.No problems at all. Anticipated potential trouble from the curtain twitchers, but so far, so good.
Didn’t really “sneak” – “drove brazenly” is a more accurate description,
I’m a Pembs resident and nothing pleases me more just now than to know visitors are. coming to join us.
Tenby was heaving with visitors all summer and the impact on Covvie ‘cases’ was nil. It was and is the grottier all-native urban areas that are affected.
Tim Spector has tweeted in the past hour the symptomatic covid+ trend by age (from the zoe app)
https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1325509071290699777
Encouraging that the 60+ rate is flat.
Overall new covid+symptomatic numbers going down in England, Scotland and Wales it appears from his other tweets.
Some sign of a softer focus on cases.
Asymptomatic testing and quarantine is a dark chapter in history. It needs to stop right now.
I like reading the stories about people generally buggering on in defiance and smiling at all who pass with their maskless heads held high. It’s clear that Lockdown 2 is not being respected and I applaud that.
But spare a thought for those of us among the 2.9 million working age adults who have seen businesses and careers utterly destroyed, or battered to varying degrees, with no support from the state that has inflicted this toll upon us.
With the BoE printing another £150 big ones and the government doling it out to all and sundry to do up their house and garden, this goes beyond callousness. For the “Forgotten”, as they’re known on social media, the social contract is broken.
I bugger on as best I can. I defy Lockdown 2 as I defied Lockdown 1. I refuse to wear a mask and I do it with a swagger. But I only smile at my wife and son now. As I said, the social contract is broken. There is nothing left for me in this country now.
Hang in there Alexei. Many of us here have been affected financially and I think everyone is outraged by that situation regardless. There’s no one right way to bugger on!
So… in short if the terrorists and scoundrels and fascists in office hands out money ALL IS FINE! GFaDG.
Of course not. Alexei is just pointing out that it’s harder to stay positive and bugger on, as the saying goes, if you are worried sick about making ends meet. I know what he meant and I’m sure you do too.
It’s as if the State just outright confiscated people’s businesses. That’s the net of it, but they’ve done it in such an underhanded way — making it impossible to operate, presumably for the sake of “safety.” I’m incredibly sad for people like you who did everything right and followed the rules (such as they were prior to March 2020). And the snitching by citizens on other citizens has irrevocably damaged the social contract as well. I only make eye contact with other maskless people; the rest don’t deserve to be treated like humans unless they are employees who are being forced.
Believe me, nobody here ever forgets the anguish of those whose businesses. are being slaughtered. Spare a thought, too, for freelancers and self-employed whose income has just vanished, no furlough.
Never forget, never forgive.
Yep – know someone who works [backstage] in music & similar events, she has been a prudent saver so can get through for a little bit longer, but many of her contemporaries will be, no exaggeration, destroyed, financially and mentally. Plus they will certainly not be the ones who show up on the employment stats, which generally only note ft or pt employees on PAYE or payroll schemes…
The self-employed will have had over £20k in state support by the time the the scheme is scheduled to wind down.
I’ve now had to close by business twice and the few months that I could reopen, revenue was down 60%. I’m fortunate as my wife’s job hasn’t been affected (apart from the general stress / PSTD that all people are feeling which seems to have made everyone very tense and short tempered in her office).
One thing thats increasingly stopped me from melting down since this all started is reading history books. Something that I’d not done much of before. It’s become clear that mankind has made some bloody stupid decisions since dot but has always eventually come to its senses and sorted things out. The same will happen here. As Peter Hitchens said some time ago, stay angry but patient.
I’m currently reading the below about The Great Depression in the US. Some of the parallels are frightening. We have a long way to go.
One thing that’s struck me from the book is how wrong the commonly held view is that The New Deal turned things around. Like all Government interventions, it mostly got in the way of recovery. It was the act of courageous risk taking individual citizens that made the difference.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forgotten-Man-Amity-Shlaes/dp/0061285277
I picked someone up from a Medical Assessment Unit the other day. I got to the hospital at 7PM. No greeter nor temperature taken in the foyer as per daytime.
I made my way down to the ward and cautiously walked in! The nurses station was near the entrance and I explained who I was picking up. I then waited just outside the ward. Plenty of activity, staff levels seemed good and two patients were brought in by the porters. Staff spirits also appeared upbeat. No big deal I was there loitering near the ward entrance. On the way out we met one of the nurses from the ward. She was quite young and chatty with a spring in her step. I have a theory about some young people in certain jobs – they think they are part of the “war effort” – This reinforces a sense of real worth to society and adds an infusion of theatre to life.
Anyway I digress, if you erased the masks (sorry me too) it would have been a “normal” experience.
Sorry no it wasn’t – I was not allowed into the ward itself to pick up my friend!
Man shot dead by Police in Swindon-
For holding “a pellet gun”
“Eyewitnesses said armed officers shot one of the men, who was holding what appeared to be a rifle-style pellet gun, in the chest”.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18856202.pictured-gun-sparked-police-operation-ended-man-dead/
Wow. I know that holding anything that looks like a gun when armed cops say drop it is a bad idea but really? These guys are gun fans and they should be a ble to tell if its a pellet gun or not.
What are the chances of an ordinary guy, who they could check for a firearms licence easily enough, would have a real rifle? Slim as fuck.
So if he has a gun and isn’t know for armed offences….If it looks like a Webly Airsporter S from the 80’s or a Dianna G3. Then it probably is an air rifle. and even a face nappy would provide some useful protection from its pellets.
Yer better safe than sorry, wear the face nappies and shoot first….
Air gun?
Yes… Air rifle with scope! Nothing out of the ordinary! I’ve two…
Realistic.
To be fair, it is not the first time this has happened.
Manchester:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1325420398058610688
Comment: No problems with the police, they made us disperse at the beginning but they left us alone once we started walking through the city
Excellent!
Bring
It
on
Thanks for the report!
Very good summary of red flags in US election that merit further investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHHsHZ5fnfk
I’m just wondering why they (DNC) aren’t talking about RUSSIA MEDDLING!
Give it time ….
Same reason they aren’t talking about the super-spreader Harris, who was at an event not social distancing…. nor the Biden supporters who have been partying at super-spreader events nationwide….
Excellent
Tonight Live at 9:30-Mark Windows with the latest on the musings of the 1% that have just taken possession of our souls.
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/
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Conversation with Sir Desmond Swayne MP – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0wRskj_qU
Finally an MP who actually understands the concerns of lockdown sceptics. Interesting listening to him talk at length.
He is a lockdown sceptic.
The Guardian: NHS England suspends one-to-one nursing for critically ill Covid patients.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/08/nhs-england-suspends-one-to-one-nursing-for-critically-ill-covid-patients
What’s the surprise… if any?!
But the PROPAGANDA is awesome…
Might be true for Mr. Lincoln, but I’m sure there are tens of thousands of Mr. Lincoln’s who have not had their urgent care needs addressed.
Abe’s happy.
hence the “PROPAGANDA”!
Re the post on NHS staffing, it is actually even more concerning.
If you check any NHS HR website you will see that staff are allowed to self certify vulnerability. Line managers are not even allowed to ask what the claimed vulnerability is!
Seems to be an open invitation to stay home on full pay!
I don’t understand what has gotten into so-called health professionals. They were always at risk of picking up something from patients and, most of all, in hospitals which are the most likely places to catch things. They’re acting as if this is Ebola (don’t ask whether anyone would show up for something truly frightening…I think we know the answer). It’s as if firefighters one day realized, out of the blue, that fires burn and sometimes kill people so they’ll just hold the water hose and take a pass on running into the burning building to save anyone inside. Healthcare professionals signed on for risk and now they’re “vulnerable” and can — in the case of doctors — work from home and not see actual patients. But it’s just fine for delivery people, grocery workers, bus drivers, etc. to keep people and goods moving so the Zoomocracy can be well fed and buy what they need online. F’ing cowards.
Be careful. Remember that nappy refuseniks are self-certifying. It can be useful.
We don’t get paid to not wear face nappies though!
This is coming into my work. I heard talk last week about “self risk assessments”. I cannot in any honestly see how that’s right without some form of occupational health involvement. I really can’t.
Well, I’ve done a self risk assessment on face nappies and sorry, they are just too risky for self.
Does anyone know who organised the Manchester protest? Fucktard police have issued with 10k fine. Wasn’t able to go due to kids but would like to put money towards helping whoever has been left with this from the same police force that is a OK with any antifa or blm protests.
His name is Paul Boys, and it looks as though he got around the fine issue by “going for a walk”! But absolutely shocking that permission was revoked so close to the start time. Here’s a link to an update he posted 4 hours ago. I went today along with some friends – there were a lot of people there, and it was a great atmosphere. We left before the police started to close it all down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGa9lG3tteo&t=9s
I left at 3 30 on the drive out noticed lots of riot Van’s heading towards the city centre . No need for it it was a very peaceful demoj
There was a lovely atmosphere, Nic, wasn’t there?! Yes, absolutely no need for the police to get heavy-handed – unless there was a desire to discourage future protests and/or incite a response so they can be even more heavy-handed…
I’m afraid the OTT response is par for the course in anti-lockdown demos. Other dirty tricks include declaring the gathering illegal just before it’s due to start (happened today), warning somebody on the demo that they weren’t social distancing/masking so should disperse, then using that as an excuse to wade in with batons, arresting organisers three or four days after the demo and issuing them with a 10k fine.
We will have our day however.
Thanks, just looking at the MEN which reported in prototypical wankerish way. I love the hysterical victorian lady style that “social distancing was not followed”
The comments were equally hysterical, sadly, Cotton – we are all just selfish and dangerous, and are prolonging this dreadful pandemic for everyone… I spoke to one police officer just as things were getting going. I wanted to get an idea of how “bought in” to the official narrative they are. Turns out he was a paid up member of the “I know people who have had it, and you should go visit an ICU” club.
I have to try and keep my rage in check with people like that. They can’t even engage when you say about the number of cancer patients who are going to die horrible deaths or any one of a myriad of other diseases will far outweigh any potential covid deaths. As soon as someone starts saying “you should go to the icu” or similar you know there is no arguing with them. They have swallowed the koolaid.
So wish they had said that to my partner who is a nurse, so could have informed the officer he does visit and ICU every working day and still thinks locking down health people and destroying the economy is bonkers.
“I know people who have had it, and you should go visit an ICU”
Most likely what they’ve been told to say.
Thanks for the post and link. That guy is a legend and watching his video has given me a lot of hope.
My pleasure
He’s pretty inspiring – I love that there are new leaders springing up all over the place, from unexpected places, to challenge the failing status quo 
Gives me hope too 
Awesome!
Here’s some useful advice for organisers, from the comments:
Well done keep it up! Hull went well no arrests, no fines.
My lay advise is describe the events as a petition and prayer. The English Constitution allows for this. If they ask for your name and address give it, then you will get a summons, the summons will ask whether you want a hearing, say yes. Then present your defence as Bill of Rights article 5, 10, 12. Article 1&2 is also a valid defence. If the court ignores this, it goes to appeal and the high court. Robin Tilbrook, Tilbrook solicitors will assist once the summons is sent back with hearing wanted. This is unlawful under our English Constitution. The British do not have a constitution. Contact me if you need more explanation.
Thanks for posting.
What a great video and what a great young man; very calm and level-headed.
Climate change protesters strangely treated differently by the Police in Oz than lockdown protesters.
Very odd …. who’d have thought it!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mmmDmIpWH8
Lots of demos this weekend I was at the manchester1 there were thousands there not hundreds which was reported in the MSM also lots of people out and about ignoring the stay at home order .think the government are rattled as they have told the police to clamp down more.
It’s the end of the beginning things are at last turning in our favour intersting times ahead
My thoughts and hopes entirely.
Loads of people in my small provincial city just milling about with no obvious ‘reasonable excuse’ for not self imprisoning.
Zero Police presence.
I actually think it is the beginning of the end, rather than the end of the beginning.
I am a bit (not much) more optimistic now.
I would also say, “beginning of the end”; once the people start turning against you, things change quickly.
The people in the German demonstration shown earlier know this; they remember ‘the wall’, and what the people behind it went through, and they don’t/won’t forget.
Don’t forget, according to Toby’s No. 10 ‘insider’, the Quad are supposedly ‘terrified’ that they (the Tories) will lose the people’s support.
They’ve lost it already! If Johnson wants to turn this round (so that he can stop being ‘terrified’), he needs to change NOW!
Panscepticon now has overall user statistics, including a leaderboard for likes.
Will you be in the top 50?
(Note: I’m having trouble with user accounts where the owner has changed the name over time. Currently, “Fred” and “fred” will be considered to be distinct users and so their likes and posts will be split across the accounts. I’m going to see if I can find a more robust identifier for users than the user name, but until then, some people’s stats will be under-reported.)
Awesome!
Like Trump and trump? Suddenly it all makes sense!
Quite funny that “Neil Ferguson” once posted on here.
Props to Mayo holding the top spot!
Poor Mayo – we don’t mind the occasional squirt on our chips!
What do you think the government’s next play is going to be? Their momentum is clearly dying by the day, so I’m wondering what they’re going to try next to drag this out. As it stands I don’t know how they’ll even reach December, let alone beyond that.
I think they’re hoping that their mass testing programs give them the infection numbers they need, but the one in Liverpool appears to have been roundly rejected. Will they make a push towards mandatory testing?
They can push.
We can push back.
Equal and opposite reaction ….
For me, they will maybe sack a big player. Would that do it? Blame Hancock for the leak, bring in a new voice from the rebel stock in the party? Would Hunt be back for it? He’s a shill for the Pharma industry but it could buy them time? Soften the rebeks with a little more the ‘living with the virus’ platitudes without really moving the dial very much. If not Hunt then maybe one of the rebels themselves.
As for Lockdown III. It simply isn’t feasible now youd think. Not in its current form anyway.
To be clear, I’m just throwing in Hunts name. He offers nothing but the Conservatives are on borrowed time within the Cabinet. They’ll have to do something
They’ll double down. They won’t be stopped.
They will be stopped.
Replace johnsons claque with a government led by Sir Charles Walker and the Tories might survive.
you’d have to replace all the MPs that voted for lockdown though…
Can’t see them sacking anyone because they would know where the bodies are buried.
Nothing short of Swayne for PM and Walker and all the other ‘Against’ voters for the rest of the cabinet, will make me vote for them ever again.
I am not keen on Hunt. Steve Baker would be better
Hunt? God, no!
Nobody believes them anymore, not even panic buying this time.
Covid 20? The set up is in with the mink stories and the endless scare stories about mutants from Spain etc. Otherwise they’re completely fucked.
Worrying because the leaked memo from Canada mentioned Covid mutating.They seem to pushing this narrative.Furlough until March, the government is not giving up anytime soon.
Canada? I live in the UK.
Oh I forgot there is no worldwide conson
Conspiracy
Believe that if you want Jonathan.
It’s not what I believe,it’s what the evidence is pointing to.Article in the Guardian regarding Johnson and Biden and the slogan build back better.Johnson believes it means a green industrial revolution.
Remember this is in response to a virus.
I thought they turned out in droves to be tested in Liverpool. Was that just all the idiots on the first day?
Think that might have been the MSM?
Logical you’d start with the 2000 Army personal. OK civvies for the testing lads and lasses!!
Not having a mandatory test or a vaccine.
The false positives rate will likely be used to bring in more and more testing and more and more testing will produce false positives and “cases” and you will never ever escape this. Getting the false positives out and in peoples heads is vital. No one else I know seems aware that it’s a reality. They think the test is bang on each and every time
Think it’s pretty obvious now that the tests are useless. Lots of YouTube videos about false positives.
Not sure I’d want to give them any ideas; they certainly read this forum.
Absolutely huge demo in Leipzig yesteday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe0KrrGJ8xE
In German – but skip through it to get an idea of how big it was.
The level of resistance here IN Northern Ireland is woeful. Many are going to monthly protests, but the numbers seem to already be dwindling. The number of police atStormont yesterday was sending a statement. The event had to be moved last minute. Those attending are heros.
Set off some fireworks last night at 8pm with family in field near my sisters house. the baby wasn’t a fan and my mum took her home. On the way way back she heard a full street of hysterical neighbours complaining with one having called the cops.
Can only presume it was due to us not following the ‘rule’. This is what our society has become!
Fearful ignorant people
Must be utterly vile beings to be so full of spite. Have discovered an extended family member is snitching for all they’re worth. Sickened to share any genes with them.
DM reporting on someone in Wigan getting a fine for having a cuppa with a friend. Two observations:
1. Neighbours clearly snitched and should burn in hell for their ignorance
2. He should not have let them in the door, they have no right of entry
Know the law folks…
With regard to this, do they have to catch you red-handed?
Or can they come for you later?
For a FPN they would have to catch you in the act.I couldn’t see witness statements and an interview leading to a trial for having someone around for a cup of tea.
Good Question…red handed I would say. Unless you got filmed by your neighbours/cctv/spy camera
Just refuse to pay it. I think some lawyers as advising this.
Is #2 the case in Scotland too? I read that it isn’t in Wales.
Having a ‘discussion’ on another forum with a clever dick who reckons that the views of Gupta and the GBD have been trashed by everyone. Also says that the virus is 10 times more deadly than flu.
Can someone point me in the right direction to disprove these ‘facts’
He’s a right know all so would like to push back.
Ivor Cummings video in todays roundup
Beat me to it!
Thanks
Hmmmmm…odd sort of queries to bring here.
Yes – the others are spot on – Ivor and Ioannidis
But do these people look around them in real life – where are the piles of bodies?
10x more deadly than the flu, really? So I take it said clever dick hasn’t touched a chip & pin machine terminal in over 8+ months, lest he immediately fall ill due to the instant transmission from 50,100, whatever, infected fingers having been all over it?
Failing that: Bulletin of the W.H.O. Article ID: BLT.20.265892
John P. Loannidis – peer reviewed.
“In people <70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%”
An Ivor Cummings video would put him straight….but he is probably beyond hope
WHO have John Ioannodis paper on IFR and CEBM Carl Heneghan. For children and young people and working age people way less of a problem then flu. For older and sick people more of a problem than flu.
https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
Show him this: it’s the Radio 4 interview in which Vallance shows that, at the time (13th March), he agreed fully with the views of Gupta and the GBD.
https://twitter.com/bbcr4today/status/1238390547783528448?lang=en
or,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRc389TvG8
“We want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely, which you can’t do anyway, not supress it so you get the 2nd peak, and also, allow enough of us, who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”
Try this. Can’t really argue with the ONS
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending23october2020#deaths-by-region-in-england-and-wales
Click on deaths per region.
Did someone say we are in the midst of a second wave?
Just wait, two more weeks……
I found the section entitled The bogus narrative to be the most useful and persuasive section of Ivor latest video.
Doesn’t bode well:
“The Biden-Harris transition team hit the ground running Sunday, the day after media outlets projected him the winner of the presidential race, by launching its website and social media pages. The website, Buildbackbetter.com, lists the coronavirus pandemic, economic recovery, racial equity and climate change as its priority issues.”
Hmmm, where have I heard “build back better” before? A Republican senate is the only bulwark against the Great Reset.
wow so predictable. that’s incredible.
Trump is not beaten yet.
Depends if he can get the fraud proven and overturned.
going right off the deep end here – but anyway, i’m going to bed now:-
“6uild 6ack 6etter”
Lol! Well I hope it’s an lol after someone pointed out the meaning of Sunak’s finance company’s name…
It’s a bit like that old Hammer Horror film scene where someone finally works out that Alucard is Dracula written backwards.
Donald J Trump will be inaugurated on January 20th. Many of he Republican senators are never-Trumpers and are bought into the system.
Let’s hope he does pull through, he isn’t perfect but still infinitely more preferable.
Got to laugh at their front.
Masks everywhere. It’s definitely a tool of social conditioning
I just heard Sleepy Joe on the radio saying in a soapy voice that ‘we’ (the Americans) must all wear our masks.
Government knows what’s best for infants
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/08/ministers-warn-lockdown-flouters-police-preparing-escalate-response/ (paywall) but basically it says that despite the pubs, cafes and non essential (read small businesses) being forced to close, people were out in their droves . Reminds me of the fall of the Eastern Bloc.
Me too. I suspect just like when the Soviet bloc fell and you were hard pushed to find anyone who admitted to being a commie, you will be hard pushed to find very few hardcore bedwetters once things change with this nonsense.
As Simon Dolan keeps saying ‘Its all over when we decide it is’.
they’re going to have to escalate it a hell of a lot to make 126,000 police officers deal effectively with 52,000,000 adults
and it really is such good PR to threaten the people who pay your wages isn’t it…
….. and who live amongst us, and expect neighbourliness whist at the same time repressing us? I’m sorry, but that won’t float.
Indeed – that is one of the most effective methods of resistance- make the police feel shame individually outside of uniform.
Amazing how these spokespeople (unnamed of course) all trot out the same cliches as ‘keeping the R number down’ (meaningless, ask Yeadon) and ‘defeating the virus’ whilst ‘saving lives’ yawn yawn. How many cancer and heart disease lives have we saved?
This is going to end very badly for the Police. They are very quickly (if they have not already) lost the public.
Police bosses need to stop and have a real good think to themselves and realise they are being played by the Government.
Forgive me if you think I’m exagerrating. Off duty police are going to start getting attacked by gangs; police are going to start getting their windows put in.
I would not want to be a cop at the moment.
EScalation plans are good news. Escalations cause reactions amd then a cascade of events which become increasingly difficult to predict and control.
Loss of control is exactly what is required.
Yes it’s encouraging to hear Patel start threatening the public for what? Walking out in the sunshine.The fear propaganda has lost its potency.
It’s hard to run a police state without a police state apparatus.
Guys, you are on fire, here. Brilliant point, JP.
This is such a great point.
I have just watched the abuse by the police of the Scottish piper, and Speakers corner and I hate the way I now feel about our police force, being brought up on Dixon of Dock Green and a credible reassurance our police really were a force of consent. Added to this I have spent 30 years in so called authoritarian regimes or dictatorships,( including Iraq under Saddam), as the West would call them. Do you know what scares me most, in all those 30 years, I never felt the fear as I did when I returned from the ME for the first LD and my first trip out against the rules. Likewise today, I drove 100 miles to attend my parents grave and a village memorial which includes my great uncle who was in the RAF. No worries, I was ready for any plod attack. But what was so soul destroying was that a mile awsy from the village is a roadside veg market, it’s been there since I was a child, 50 years plus, so I intended to stop for some flowers and veg. As I indicated to go in, what was there but 2 cop cars. Once, I would not even have used the word cop, becsuse I always felt it was derogatory, but now they deserve nothing less.
I cannot believe after 30 years of rubbing along ok with so called authoritarian police, the ones that now make me feel uneasy and fearful, not afraid, it is quite different, are the police in my own country, and I despise them for it.
Fearful, that queasy feeling, what scrap am I going to have to endure now …
Both in the US and Europe the methods which have been used in places like Iraq for decades are now been brought home – see the increasing militarization of the police.
But my point being, that I never had a deep seated fear, or rather you expected a certain behaviour, but the difference being that the UK police have always been assumed as a benign force, that is to the law abiding. I knew in Baghdad and other countries what I was dealing with, but now I see my country’s police force as much worse, as they masquerade as one thing, but deliver something else. As I said, I never feared the authoritarian police, it was a known beast, but our police force are now beyond contempt.
My point was slightly different.
I meant that the methods employed by the US and UK military in Iraq and elsewhere will be increasingly focused on the civilian populations in the homelands as economic conditions worsen and discontent spreads.
From Fallujah to Felixstowe
rom Basra to Birmingham
We are seeing it already.
Manchester protest – Cannot find a mention of it on the BBC website.
Very different perspective taken by different newspapers. Is the Daily Mail of all papers a member of this site?
I was on the Brighton March. The DM quotes one ‘George Taylor’, condemning the participants. He was taking pictures, I saw him. He’s a quite well known local self publicist (in certain circles), 21 very narcissistic years on this earth, and wants to be a LibDem councillor. Need I say more? BUT, the DM was trying to buy his photos off him on his Twitter feed, and therefore is complicit.
We are now being told on the front page of one of the newspapers that GCHQ is being given a role in stopping so- called “anti-vaxxer propaganda”. This gets more Orwellian by the moment. It’s not as though such propaganda has been stunningly successful to date is it? Standard vaccinations have climbed from about three to (might be wrong but I think it’s 82) over an average lifetime) over the last six decades.
What’s the point in an allegedly free society if you’re not allowed to discuss something as important to our health as vaccination?
Sorry, why do you refer to genuine concerns about vaccines as propoganda. Tried and tested is one thing, but why combine MMR, and make it so difficult for parents to obtain separate vaccines. There is a big issue at the moment about serious side affects from the polio vaccine in Africa, please refer to the UN for confirmation of this. If modern vaccines are so safe, why do the pharma companies all have indemnity. The government in the UK have even issued indemnity to those that administer the vaccine – so basically anyone can give it, even if their method is harmful.
I’m quoting the newspaper (admittedly from memory). I think we need a reasoned debate about vaccination especially as the stated aim of the Vaccine Centre supported by both Imperial College and LSHTM is to develop vaccines for every (!) disease…so we will administer hundreds of vaccines to children. I’d like to see a moratorium on new vaccines for a year during which we should consider removing some existing vaccines whilst putting in place new protocols for assessing whether to proceed with new vaccines. In many cases it might make sense to vaccinate those with a high risk profile, but not the general population.
Philosophical point.
My own view is more that humanity tends to suffer from collective delusions. And now we are in the midst of a particularly severe one. Rather than looking at this from the perspective of one “side” or another, I find it better to try to view it in an abstract way. It’s less personal that way.
I realised last night that the so-called “climate emergency” and the “covid pandemic” actually have a lot in common.
In both cases humanity has decided (collectively) that we are responsible (or guilty).
With “climate change” the idea goes that we are responsible for global warming and can control the weather and we must therefore suppress carbon to save the planet. If we do not then it is modelled that millions will die.
With the “covid pandemic” the idea goes that there is a global deadly plague – that may have been man-made – and that we can control this virus and we must therefore suppress the virus to save lives. If we do not then it is modelled that millions will die.
This is a big change from recent prior centuries. When most of the developed world believed in God (I am not shilling for religion just making the observation), in particular the Christian version of religion we had similar phenomena:
A “biblical flood” and “biblical plagues”. In both cases these global phenomena were not our responsibility, but God’s retribution on a sinful people.
It seems as though we have given up believing in God, but have not given up believing in the disasters of “flood” and “plague” and no longer having a belief in God we instead view these as of our own making.
Mankind has become grandiose. We have no (collective) humility. We think we know it all. We even think we can understand the nature of the universe.
I may have a reasonable amount of knowledge, but I certainly do not know it all. In terms of the origins and nature of this virus. I actually do not know if it is man-made, I just think it is unlikely.
And similarly I – personally – do not believe that this is a global conspiracy. Again I think it is unlikely, but I certainly do not know the whole picture. And I certainly do think that some are taking full advantage of this situation to promote their own – sometimes very disturbing – agendas.
Theres certainly been elements of mass hysteria.
For many climate change is a religion.
Chesterton said that when men stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing they believe in everything.
I believe that this is indeed a conspiracy and it shares so many traits with the Covid scam.Dodgy computer models chief among them.It seems you are coming around to my point of view with your last paragraph
I too have noticed the similarities between Covid and the G. Warming debate.
In fact it was the way the BBC have uncritically presented the case for Authoritarian measures to ‘protect’ the people that made me question the similar way they present the GW issue.
Whilst the mad response to Covid is obviously bogus, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that GW is equally questionable.
By that I mean the causes, rather than the fact.
The two issues are essentially a cut and paste job, then change a few words.
The temperature is not warming but drifting down since 2002, and the supposed cause is wholly bogus.
We’d better not have an economic recovery, otherwise we’ll die…
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/09/revealed-covid-recovery-plans-threaten-global-climate-hopes
Scientific study of physical, chemical and biological processes can produce a deep level of understanding of those processes on their own. But it’s a different level of problem to try and predict the behaviour of a complex system in which many such processes are interacting. And how humans behave in various situations is even less amenable to scientific study.
Yes, I agree with both statements Edward.
How very easily this covid scam (and IMHO the GW and Natural Capital scams) have been pulled off ought to make everyone question the philosophy.
There is no such thing as philosophy-free science; there is only science whose philosophical baggage is taken on board without examination.
—
Daniel Dennett, Darwin’s Dangerous Idea, 1995
Droves of people out today.
#mock the shamdemic
We the people outnumber the Police, Military, weak & cowardly MPs. Time to stand up to the bullies and CRUSH them.
The term ‘anti-vaxxer’ used to denote someone who was against all vaccinations.
Now, it is used to denote anybody who has any questions about any vaccine for any reason.
How did that happen?
Mission creep.
Discussions regarding the safety regarding the safety and efficacy of vaccines is not generally permitted. On that basis it is safe to assume that Big Pharma and the medical authorities are hiding something nasty, that they don’t want you to know. The vaccine tsar himself, Bill Gates pours many millions every year into the media and small wonder that reporting on vaccines is hardly ever objective.
The same way “racism” was changed to mean anyone white
Somebody mentioned earlier the fall of the Communist regimes iin Eastern Europe in 1989.
Honecker, Ceaucescu and the others mist be kicking themselves in their graves that they never came up with the idea of declaring a pandemic in order to head off the demonstrations.
Dieter :”Hey, let’s go and break through he Berlin Wall”
Helmut: “No, stay home, stay safe”
I saw this blurb in the Guardian at the end of an article written by Thomas Frank:
The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.
it’s all over for the dictator, the people are taking to the streets and they will prevail
Local Live
‘Spooky pictures of City centre streets deserted during lockdown’.
Not what I’ve seen every day since Thursday but it is clear from the light and shadows that the one photo of an actual street was taken very early in the morning.
The others were taken within privately owned shopping centres which will have security barring access.
Pack of lies from the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/08/nhs-england-suspends-one-to-one-nursing-for-critically-ill-covid-patients
No, they aren’t very sick! Thousands aren’t even being treated for Covid.
No, they aren’t!
I like your style.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927413/Boris-Johnson-feels-bounced-second-coronavirus-lockdown-says-Cabinet-ally.html
but…
then…
but…
FFS!
Paramedic demonstrating how the test for coronavirus is performed…
using an apple juice sample.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUCV3XY3l0&ab_channel=HelloIrlandia
The sample on the left came up positive, right?
I read this message from the Guardian at the end of a comment by Thomas Frank yesterday:
The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.
Covid vaccines must be safe because Matt Hancock says so! Government concludes agreement with social media companies on Covid vaccine “mis-information” while GCHQ is to use “counter-terorism” measures
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/social-media-giants-agree-package-of-measures-with-uk-government-to-tackle-vaccine-disinformation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927865/GCHQ-spies-launch-cyber-counter-attack-against-anti-vaccine-propaganda-spread-Russia.html
We can trust what he says can’t we?
Yes -never been a vaccine ever that had side effects that didn’t manifest themselves a few years down the lines has there?
I’m a little late to this party but from what I understand, one of the main issues encountered by my local trust (Doncaster and Bassetlaw) is staff absence due to the isolation requirements. Last weekend 700 members of staff were apparently off sick. In addition to those shielding this must be a massive percentage of the staff, many of whom are not actually poorly but have either “been in contact” with someone who has tested positive or are required to look after a child who has been.
Apparently they employ 6500 members of staff according to a quick Google.
I’m no longer a lockdown sceptic, I am 357% dead against it.
Biden doesn’t have the power to order a nationwide lockdown. He could tie any relief to individual states based on lockdowns but the Democrats won’t be holding a majority in the legislative branch in order to have that power either.
https://leapsmag.com/disinfection-tunnels-are-popping-up-around-the-world-fueled-by-misinformation-and-fear/
Fancy being sprayed in an infection tunnel anyone? Face recognition, temperature taken – the whole works. In use in several countries. Sounds like something fanciful Boris might like for Christmas.
The Simon Clarke Spectator piece is the most god-awful “Biblical pronouncement” type drivel. Take this:
“You should view the false positive as one in every 100 tests conducted, not one in every five positive results. So the only way the number of false positives can grow is by doing more tests, not finding more instances of coronavirus.”
But don’t we find “more instances of coronavirus” THROUGH the tests?
Then the last paragraph gives us the Book of Revelations:
“The pandemic will, unfortunately, be with us for some time…”
How do you know?
“…and will develop in ways we cannot yet know.”
So you know that the pandemic will be with us for “some time” but cannot know how it will develope?
“We are not going to find our way out of it by denying the scale of the problem because we may not like the solution; that way lies failure.”
The scale of the problem which you know but don’t know?
“Nobody will care about fancy models or the clever use of statistics when our hospitals are on the brink, stuffed full of patients choking to death.”
Biblical prophecy time!
“Make no mistake, a Covid death is lonely and bleak.”
It certainly is when the one dying has to isolate!
“Nor will people remember Vallance’s graph in a couple of months, if we exceed the death toll of the first peak.”
If if if if….if a picture paints a thousand words …etc.