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The Betrayal of Britain

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Bob’s cartoon in today’s Telegraph, contrasting with his optimistic Brexit cartoon of February 1st

Inevitable it may have become, but no less dreadful for that. Yesterday afternoon 516 elected representatives of the English people voted to put England back into lockdown, following the other home nations into this dreary stasis. The aim? To suppress temporarily and with no obvious strategic purpose a disease which over 99.7% of people survive. The excuses of March relied on by many at the time – that not enough was known about the virus to permit any alternative – were no longer available. Seven months down the track and ignorance is no longer a defence. We know far more about this virus – its virulence, who is vulnerable to it, how to treat it, how it responds (or doesn’t) to restrictions, and what it does in places where restrictions are eschewed – to make properly informed decisions. Yet MPs were instead presented with already falsified, out-of-date models predicting imminent catastrophe. The working and assumptions for these dubious creations were only published just before the vote.

Just 39 MPs voted against the lockdown. 34 were Tory rebels voting against the Government. Here is the Roll of Honour:

Adam Afriyie, Steve Baker (teller), Peter Bone, Sir Graham Brady, Steve Brine, Sir Christopher Chope, Philip Davies, Jonathan Djanogly, Jackie Doyle-Price, Richard Drax, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, Marcus Fysh, Chris Green, James Grundy, Mark Harper, Gordon Henderson, Philip Hollobone (teller), David Jones, Tim Loughton, Craig Mackinlay, Stephen McPartland, Esther McVey, Huw Merriman, Anne Marie Morris, Sir Mike Penning, John Redwood, Andrew Rosindell, Henry Smith, Sir Desmond Swayne, Sir Robert Syms, Derek Thomas, Sir Charles Walker, Craig Whittaker, William Wragg.

There were also four DUP MPs: Paul Girvan, Carla Lockhart, Ian Paisley and Sammy Wilson. And one independent: Julian Lewis. To any of our readers who wrote to these MPs, take a bow. There were also a number of abstentions, most notably Theresa May (though some were because they were Scottish MPs or paired).

The 90 minute debate saw MPs lay mercilessly into the Government’s handling of the epidemic. These MPs at least did not let us down.

One of the surprise heroes of the debate was Theresa May, who has become quite the hardened sceptic (though oddly she then abstained in the vote). As she stood up Boris actually walked out of the Commons (watch here), to audible surprise from MPs. May just shrugged and carried on. 

She said the prediction of 4,000 deaths a day “was wrong before it was even used”. We need proper analyses, she said. “We need to know the details behind these models. We need to be able to assess the validity of those models.”

She raised concerns about a lack of data on the costs of lockdown, including on mental health, domestic abuse, non-Covid treatments, “possibly more suicides” and to the economy: “Jobs lost, livelihoods shattered, businesses failing, whole sectors damaged. What sort of airline industry are we going to have coming out of this? What sort of hospitality sector? What sort of small independent shops will be left?” After watching her performance, you couldn’t help but wonder if we would have been better off during this crisis if she’d been in charge.

Philip Davies, Conservative MP for Shipley, asked why Matt Hancock had “failed in this task” of sorting out test and trace before now. He said: “Instead of building that capacity and sorting out test and trace properly, he has been spending far too much of his time seemingly relishing the power of seeking to micromanage every aspect of everyone’s lives.” 

It is “perfectly clear” lockdowns do not work, he added, but they do damage the economy and people’s mental health. If they worked, “we would have solved it months ago”. And yet the Government “still persists with this failed strategy”. But the public “no longer has any faith” in what they are doing. He asked how many job losses it would take before Mr Hancock accepted it was the wrong strategy.

Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee and MP for Altringham and Sale West, said he “fully accepts” the sincerity of Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock. But he will vote against the lockdown “with greater conviction than I have in casting any vote in those 23 years” he has served as an MP. He says the impact assessment should be published for the sake of MPs and the public and it should be available for ministers to base their decisions on. 

The Government is “reaching too far into the private and family lives” of the country, he said, observing “an arrogance – unintended perhaps” in assuming the Government has the right to tell people whether they can visit elderly parents, or their children or grandchildren. He told MPs that he “can’t be the only one” who has had constituents in “floods of tears” because of the restrictions. Does the Government have the right “for heaven’s sake”, he wondered, “to tell consenting adults with whom they are allowed to sleep”, to ban communal worship, golf or tennis. 

He said Johnson’s argument, that despite the lack of evidence for each restriction the whole lot must be accepted as a package to avoid it unravelling, was not good enough. “We cannot vote for measures on that flimsy basis, which patently make no sense,” he said. “I have a fundamental problem with much of what we are being asked to do here.”

Sir Charles Walker, 1922 Committee Vice Chairman, told MPs that “freedoms are like the air we breathe” and are fundamental to the country, yet “once again we stand on the threshold of using the rule of law to undermine the rule of law”. He pointedly reminded members they are not asking people to do something “we have coerced them, we have coerced them through criminal and civil law.” The freedom to go about one’s business – and the freedom to protest – are “the oxygen of democracy”, he said. 

Dismissing “sincerely held concerns as wanting to let the virus rip is deeply ungenerous and deeply, deeply unkind,” he added. Sir Charles said he wants people to live full, long, happy lives, but while our mortality is “our contract with our maker”, our freedom is a contract with Government. He said he would not support the “terribly unjust” lockdown, adding: “I will have no part of criminalising parents for seeing their children, and children for seeing their parents.”

Poignantly, former chief whip and Forest of Dean MP Mark Harper told the Commons he will vote against the Government for “only the second time in my 15 years in this House”.

“You will know, madam Deputy Speaker, from our shared endeavours in the usual channels that it is not easy for a former Chief Whip not to support their party,” he said. He stressed that in his part of the country infections are “flat or falling” and no concerns have been raised by local hospitals. He said the modelling that has been presented is “old data and we already know and [Theresa May] set this out very clearly that the most extreme of those is wrong… and wrong by a factor of four or five”. 

“I simply don’t believe the Government has made the case,” he added, also flagging concerns about the burden enforcing the restrictions will place on the police. 

Tory MP Huw Merriman (see his tweets here) asked the Prime Minister what evidence he has that more lives would be saved through lockdown than the restrictions will cause themselves. 

Boris acknowledged this was “the crux of the debate” but argued MPs must “look at the immediate peril we face”. He stressed “the real risk of mortality on what I think would be a grievous scale which would stem from doing nothing”. 

He says doctors and nurses would be forced to make “impossible choices about which patients would live and which would die” – a favourite argument of his, and clearly one which impacts him deeply, perhaps betraying his own fear of making difficult decisions. In reality, triage and prioritising patients for ICU admission is a routine part of managing the demands on the health service. Heads of ICUs make choices about which patients should live and die every day. Besides, he is surely aware that figures show hospitals are nowhere close to being overwhelmed, and that we are a long way from the kind of demand (and deaths) that were seen in England 1993-2000.

Yet he repeated the bizarre claim Chris Whitty made on Monday that the “existential threat” to the NHS comes from “not focusing enough” on coronavirus, which would deprive other patients of the care they need. There are mountains of evidence that it was the lockdown that decimated healthcare in this country, not the virus.

Labour leader Keir Starmer complained MPs should have had more time to scrutinise legislation and “iron out” inconsistencies, and criticised the regulations as “not in any way desirable or perfect”. Nonetheless, Labour would support them, he said, because the Government had “lost control”, betraying the sharp political edge to his manoeuvring. 

“To anybody who disputes the trajectory of the virus, or what the cost of inaction would be, I would point out that when SAGE warned 44 days ago… there were 11 deaths from COVID-19,” he said, noting that on Monday 397 deaths were reported. “That is not graphs, not projections, that is the grim facts,” he said. “That direction of travel has been clear for some time.” But how many more deaths than normal does that figure represent? He didn’t say. Neither did he comment on the evidence that infections are plateauing rather than growing exponentially as R continues to fall.

Scandal: PCR Testing Sites Not Fit For Purpose

A DJ in Ibiza: The kind of “expert” employed to carry out PCR tests by the Government

We were sent the below by someone employed at a PCR testing site in Salisbury. We are republishing it today for those who missed it in yesterday’s mid-afternoon update. Find it also on the right-hand menu here.

Forgive the intrusion but I was given your contact details courtesy of a mutual friend. I realise the gravity of making this information public and genuinely feel that you are best placed to air my concerns about the fundamentally flawed service provided at testing sites. To be specific, the site operating in Salisbury which has been awarded/allocated without tender or public scrutiny to the unlikely coalition of Mitie and Deloitte.

I was accepted for work instantly after applying online at 01:00 in the morning. I filled out a mere two pages of information – no reference checks, no criminal record check, no photographic ID – and started work the following Monday at 08:00. I was deployed into the car park to essentially point and wave at cars for my first two shifts. I was told that we could read books, use our phones and use tablets in our non-customer-facing time. In a 12-hour shift that time could easily be upwards of eight to nine hours. After proving myself with my enthusiastic waving and gesturing to genuinely bemused looking members of the public I was promoted after three days to the PPE team. At this point, I still hadn’t had any non automated contact with the agency which had placed me.

The PPE team as it turned out was indeed a promotion. Along with ensuring the continuous supply of plastic gloves and surgical face masks to staff on site, we were tasked with assembling the MT PCR testing kits. This entailed putting the vials, swabs and instruction leaflets in foil bags. Some bags were sealed if they were for RTS use (mobile units) and others unsealed if for use on the static site. The static site being a special site donated free of charge by Wiltshire Council as it was now redundant as a park-and-ride site. Redundant thanks to lockdown.

It became apparent to me frighteningly quickly how unstructured and chaotic the processes on the site were across the board. I completed two-and-a-half years of a mental health nursing degree back in 2013 and I realised, thanks to my prior training, we were preparing these tests in a totally non-sterile environment. A bloody shipping container to be precise! I questioned the practice with site management only to be told that they had no formal written policies in place and so procedures were “fluffy”.

Unlike some of my other colleagues, I decided to read the storage instructions that accompanied the containers of the vials. To my horror, it emerged that the formula needed to be stored at between zero and eight degrees Celsius after a sample is taken and then transported to one of the three testing labs in Milton Keynes, all run by Lighthouse. I have photographic evidence of the temperature in one of the unsanitary shipping containers that the tests were stored in prior to collection – it was not between zero and eight. Furthermore, the instructions stated that the sample must be stored and transported upright. Yet at the Salisbury site, the completed tests were put into medex containers on their side with up to 100 samples crammed in. The aforementioned containers were then collected and transported to Milton Keynes by a combination of Royal Mail vans and privately unmarked and undocumented couriers using their own family saloon cars.

I reported my concerns to management but was told that if I had a problem I should contact the CEO of Mitie. Not unsurprisingly, I declined for fear of the retribution that would almost certainly follow. The testing facility itself never had less than 34 staff on site. That’s one thing Mitie had insisted upon and it was strictly adhered to. Not a single staff member involved at any level had any medical training. Not one! The closest to it was an ex-army nurse who no longer held her pin and was allocated to supervise the car park traffic. The Site Lead and the Deputy Site Manager were an ex-paratrooper and a DJ from Ibiza. No disrespect to either DJs or paratroopers as they have been part of some of my best nights out ever. They are not, however, the people I want deciding how we store and handle possible COVID-19 samples on a testing site with “fluffy” procedures. From Dido Harding at the top to the unvetted, poorly-educated minions implementing policy at the coal face, not one of these people is remotely qualified for the task in hand.

I was also added to a WhatsApp group for the PPE team which was rather unorthodoxly sent to our private phones. I remained part of the group for weeks after I left the site. I have a record of exactly how many tests were performed each day from the July 29th until October 14th. During this time we were told to limit the amount of tests undertaken each day to 145, despite there being ample capacity and stock. The previous daily record of tests undertaken on our site was 459. No reason was given as to why we should limit testing in this way. Without doubt the highlight of the WhatsApp stream is an email shared between G4S and Mitie about a gentlemen in a white van who appeared at the MTU 179 in Lewisham trying to collect tests with a van covered in graffiti that was full of rubbish and contained a large dog. Incredibly, he appeared to have a medex box from another site that he’d already picked up and was taking to a lab when he was turned away from Lewisham.

At Last – a Good Response From an MP

Richard Fuller, MP for North East Bedfordshire, sent this response to a constituent, which we think is pretty good.

Thank you for your recent email regarding today’s vote in Parliament whether to provide the legal basis for a second national lockdown. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with me.

There will be limited time for debate today and I am unlikely to be selected to speak. I have therefore laid out my thinking on my website, here, but as this is quite a long, I would like to summarise the key points here.

On balance, I have decided that I cannot support the motion to impose a nationwide lockdown. I will abstain rather than vote against because my alternative approach does not currently have the requisite support from medical advisors. What is material, and which I hope the government will recognise, are my reasons for not supporting these measures and the actions I now wish the government to take.

My main arguments are that the measures represent an overreach of government powers in a free society; that alternatives, such as the recently adopted tiered approach, provide a more targeted response which should be given more time; and that the information provided does not demonstrate persuasively that the potential benefits outweigh the costs in lives and livelihoods.

We are a free country within the law. We are not an authoritarian system: freedoms have been fought for and matter: the freedom to associate, the freedom to worship, and the freedom to trade. Parliament should defend these freedoms not acquiesce in their limitation until all other options have been pursued.  Sadly, these measures suggest the government has become too casual in its exercise of powers to restrain our freedoms. It is unacceptable that people should not be able to see their relatives in care homes; that communal worship should be prohibited; and that businesses which have spent considerable sums to make their premises Covid secure should be forced to close in areas where the virus is not prevalent.

I have given Ministers some suggestions for what they should focus on now. Firstly, to operationalise the rapid testing strategy being clear with the public of the constraints and timeline. 

Secondly to put Covid in context with other illnesses and diseases by galvanising the NHS to make progress on clearing the backlog of treatments and presenting statistics that broaden understanding rather than reinforce this unique focus. Thirdly, to restore the traditional disciplines on the scope of government action and by making available the full assessment of policy consequences before judgements must be made.

Alexander Hamilton Nails It

To retract an error even in the beginning is no easy task. Perseverance confirms us in it and rivets the difficulty; but in a public station, to have been in an error, and to have persisted in it, when it is detected, ruins both reputation and fortune. To this we may add that disappointment and opposition inflame the minds of men and attach them still more to their mistakes.

Alexander Hamilton, 1774

“I Will Never Vote for the Labour Party Again”

A Lockdown Sceptics reader and life-long Labour voter has sent us the letter she sent to her MP Rebecca Long-Bailey informing her she will not be voting for them again.

Dear Rebecca,

I write today to let you and Sir Keir Starmer know that I will never vote for the Labour Party again.

I am 62 years of age and have voted Labour all of my life. I grew up in a Yorkshire mining town, my family were miners and I saw their struggles. At school I was in remedial class but I overcame this problem and by my mid-30s I had obtained a 1st Class science degree, an MPhil, a teaching qualification, a diploma in psychotherapy and a postgraduate qualification in public health. I spent most of my working life employed by the NHS. I have specialised in mental health and HIV prevention.

With this background I believe you can see I am talking from substantial experience and qualifications. It is from this position that I wish to convey my utter disappointment and disgust in the position the Labour Party has taken over the pandemic. I have personal circumstances in that my frail elderly father with vascular dementia has been unable to have the support of his family since mid-March. I have returned to Salford today from my weekly trip to Yorkshire, where I pick up my father’s 83 year old sister and drive to the care home to sit outside locked double glazed doors to try to support my father who sits inside in his wheelchair. I see other families, wives and husbands in their late 80s, separated and, as all of us in this position, maybe never to see our family member in person again. It is heart breaking.

I am so angry as the Labour Party could have advocated for the 400,000 lonely and isolated care home residents and their desperate families. The Labour Party could have supported the call, begun in the summer, for families to be treated as key workers and for care homes to have more support and to have their insurance underwritten by the Government. It did not.

On the eve of the second nation lockdown of my country I do not have words to express my anger in the Labour Party. You could have taken the route of challenging the authoritarian imposition of restrictions, you could have challenged the fear, you could have promoted trust and unity. Instead I have seen the Labour Party drive fear, promote greater authoritarianism and neglect the poor in our communities. It is only the fortunate who can benefit from lockdown and work from home. So many other people are needed to support the community – shop workers, food preparation, supply and delivery, police, fire service, care workers, health service workers, warehouse pickers, packers and deliverers, refuse workers, construction workers, waste water workers, power supply workers, this list is endless. Whilst the rich are indoors sheltering the poor service their needs.

It is my opinion that the Labour Party has failed the country generally and poor communities in particular.

I would like you to show Keir Starmer my email as I am certain my views are representative of many former Labour Party voters.

Test and Trace Stasi

A reader sent us a disturbing story heard from a neighbour.

Her sister who lives in Skipton tested positive a few days ago – she only took the test because she’d lost her sense of smell. She had no other symptoms to speak of. She self-isolated immediately.

This was followed by “in excess” of 20 text messages demanding that she download the NHS App. She did not do so since she doesn’t want to be followed round by it and she’s self-isolating anyway. She was then telephoned by the Test and Trace system and the caller threatened her with a “police check at your address if you do not download the app.” Utterly furious, she ended the phone call and is waiting to see what happens next.

Needless to say, there is no such legal basis for the threat: the app is entirely voluntary. One wonders what the motivation for the threat is – is the Test and Trace system based on some sort of “results” score sheet? Are they even paid by the download? God knows.

It just shows you how it doesn’t have to be the government introducing a Stasi system of rule – some members of the Great British Public are only too happy to do it for them off their own bats. That’s actually more frightening.

“Captivity in Somalia Was Easier Than Lockdown”

Eleven years ago Paul Chandler and his wife Rachel were abducted by Somali pirates and held hostage for over a year. Here Paul reflects on the ways in which lockdown is worse.

Almost 10 years ago, on November 14th 2010, Rachel and I regained our freedom after 388 days at gunpoint. Now, in Evesham, “quarantine” (after returning from Portugal) is morphing into “lockdown” – euphemisms for house arrest. Approaching that 10 year anniversary, and with ample time to fret, I can’t help but think about the similarities and contrasts.

The events, although at first glance dramatically different, have followed a remarkably similar trajectory. In September 2009 we were in a particular place at the wrong time; early in 2020 a novel virus appeared in an unsuspecting world. In the Indian Ocean a dramatic and terrifying violent attack was followed by a gradual de-escalation of the physical threat and settling down to a safe, if boring, existence. The virus made a terrifying attack in Europe and elsewhere, followed by a gradual accumulation of empirical data which show that it is “just another virus” with which we must co-exist. Initially in Somalia there seemed to be no end to our sentence. But we realised that there would be – there was only a negotiation to be completed first.  In the UK, on the other hand…

Comparison of the physical conditions is facile, and not terribly interesting. But the psychology, the mind games, that’s another matter.

In Somalia I managed eventually to quell the feeling of guilt (how could I, the male in the relationship, have put my partner into such a situation?). Despite the media’s preoccupation with “what food did you miss?” the overwhelming loss was of course freedom. Buoyed by a (partial) adherence to Stoicism I determined not to worry about things I could not control. I accepted that our freedom had been stolen by a gang of youngsters, most of whom bore us no malice and were in a sense good honest criminals. What a contrast with today – our freedom, and that of the whole population, has been stolen by our own Government. A totally dishonest campaign (since May, at least) by the “fatuous four”, whose eyes, ears and minds are open only to the advice from the “dishonest duo” (you know who I mean), fraudulently giving wilfully exaggerated forecasts (sorry, projections; no, scenarios) based on the anti-scientific, irrational group-think emanating from the half-witted huddle named after a herb.

Once I realised that our captors meant us no harm, and that the process of negotiation was outwith my control, my mind turned to the obvious risks – accident and health problems. In either case the absence of available medical care could be fatal, and this was an ever present fear. In reality our captors, aware that our value to them was in direct proportion to our health, ensured that we were supplied with all the medicines we needed – if care in a failed state was difficult, at least medicines would be no problem. We were given a (fairly) healthy diet, plenty of fresh air and sun – vitamin D to the rescue! 2020 in Evesham: there is, to all intents and purposes, no routine health service. People are encouraged to stay indoors – directly contrary to biological requirements. And the situation here is a result of direct action by the government. I am much more concerned about deteriorating health or injury here than I was in Somalia. 

Control of information is a tool of oppressors. In Somalia our captors provided a radio and encouraged us to listen to the World Service (only 10 years ago the BBC was still held in great esteem in many parts of the world.) In the UK in 2020 the media is coerced (that which isn’t a government propaganda outlet) into suppression of information that does not match the narrative. There are, thank goodness, a few honourable exceptions. At this point Orwell’s 1984 jumps into my mind – not only rewriting the facts to match the narrative, but NEWSPEAK: adjusting language to remove the ability to question. UK Government 2020 – redefining words such as “case” and “exponential” so as to make reasoned consideration meaningless.

A few months into our captivity the gang discovered the leverage they could exert by separating us. Once they kept us apart for three months. This was a huge blow, raising our mental stress and generating violent behaviour in the gang. Why did they stop? Did they realise that this was beyond the pale for “good, honest criminals”? Now, in the UK in 2020, it brings tears to my eyes to think of the countless elderly or mentally ill people being kept apart from their partners or other family for months on end – indeed often being kept in isolation until death. Is this cruel and unusual punishment? Breach of human rights? Unthinking, uncaring diktat? This is a direct consequence of government action – I despair.

One thought leads to another – dehumanisation. Society depends on social interaction. Ten years ago I mastered a little of the Somali language, the better to interact with our captors. I had in mind explaining some of the cultural differences between us, with a view to persuading them to see the error of their ways. Almost without exception they encouraged this engagement, up to a point of course – they didn’t get as far as teaching me to fire an AK47. They wanted us to be as happy as possible in the circumstances. Contrast with here and now. By Government diktat discourse is discouraged, made almost impossible for many.

I am trying to say why I am so depressed, an order of magnitude more than when we were in captivity. And the most distressing thing is that it is all down to government action.

Finally, Orwell again. 1984, although set in the future, is not a fantasy, full of scientific imaginings. It is a warning. Fast becoming a forecast (sorry, projection). There is no happy ending. The essence that I take from it is that dystopia is not a temporary state. There is still, in a few people, a dimming memory of better times. There is no future. Mere existence is not life. We must heed the warning.

Now my blood is boiling, but that’s healthier than despondency. My conclusion is that there is only a superficial similarity between Somalia 2010 and Evesham 2020. The contrasts in terms of mental health – low mood, depression, etc. – are huge, and in favour of Somalia. Then it was the bad guys in charge, acting as well as they could, subject to their declared criminal aim. Now it is another group of bad guys, but they think they are the good guys. I despair.

Lockdown Loophole Permitting Public Worship?

A reader thinks he’s spotted an unintended loophole in the regulations that means communal worship can go ahead – as long as it’s being broadcast.

The rules are in STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS 2020 No. 1200 PUBLIC HEALTH, ENGLAND: The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020

“5.(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.” … including “6. (2) (e) to attend a place of worship;”

So you can still leave your home to go to a church. This might be for private prayer – this is allowed: churches can be used “18 (8) (f) for individual prayer, and for these purposes, ‘individual prayer’ means prayer by individuals which does not form part of communal worship”.

They have closed the churches: “18. (7) A person who is responsible for a place of worship must ensure that the place of worship is closed, except for uses permitted in paragraph (8)”, but with exceptions …

“(8) A place of worship may be used … (c) to broadcast an act of worship, whether over the internet or as part of a radio or television broadcast”.

So the person responsible does not have to close the church if it is used to broadcast an act of worship. (I assume this was the Government intention.) But the Government thinks – and the churches believe – that congregational worship is banned – this is in the Archbishops’ letter (written before the SI was published).

But in fact the congregants can still attend the act of worship by virtue of 6. (2) (e) (and I assume this was most certainly not the Government intention).

How is this? 18. (8) (c) allows churches to conduct a worship service if it is broadcast from the church. Crucially, it does not forbid a congregation to attend it. The Government could have written more restricted regulations. For example:

6. (2) (e) to attend a place of worship for the purposes of individual prayer;

18, (8) (c) to broadcast an act of worship other than an act of communal worship, whether over the internet or as part of a radio or television broadcast” ;

or maybe

18, (8) (c) to broadcast an act of worship involving only persons present as part of their work or providing voluntary services in connection with the act of worship, whether over the internet or as part of a radio or television broadcast”.

But they did not. Therefore, as long as somebody in a church can Facebook Live or YouTube live stream, communal worship can carry on.

The crucial point seems to be that the regulations fail to specify that they ban communal worship (only saying the church must be closed, save for the exceptions) and also fail to specify that the exception for broadcasting an act of worship does not permit communal worship. Meanwhile, attending a place of worship remains a reasonable excuse to leave the house. Would any lawyer readers like to confirm for us if this reading is correct? Ideally before Sunday?

What MPs Should Have Asked Whitty And Vallance

Whitty, Vallance: 'No evidence to back church closures' - The Christian  Institute

Francis Hoar, a barrister on Simon Dolan’s legal team and a Lockdown Sceptics reader, sent some questions via Twitter to the Science and Technology Select Committee but they were ignored by MPs. A great shame as they are exactly the questions the two advisers need to answer.

  1. The results for the PCR tests, which is the basis for all the ‘case’, hospitalisation and death numbers, are found after 45 cycles. Why do you continue to use 45 cycles when they create so many false positive results?
  2. It is right, isn’t it, that that data on hospital ‘admissions’ of patients with COVID-19 includes anyone who has had a positive PCR test up to 14 days before admission, on admission or after admission. Moreover, is it not right that any person testing positive within different seven day periods would be counted within each of those?
  3. In relation to deaths, is it not right that these include all deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR test, regardless of the cause of death?
  4. PHE publish the Emergency Department Synromic Surveillance System: England every week. This includes data on attendances for respiratory infections, which include COVID-19. Does the latest, published on 28th October, not show that the daily number of attendances in A&E for all respiratory infections and for all acute respiratory infections (both of which include COVID-19) are below average for the time of year and rising at no more than average levels?
  5. In the most recent ‘Weekly national Influenza and COVID-19 surveillance report’, published on October 29th 2020, it was found that triage for respiratory infections (including COVID-19) was at average levels?
  6. Professor Chris Whitty has said that the quantification of excess deaths is internationally recognised as the “key metric” in assessing countries’ performance in handling infectious diseases. In the Surveillance Report, it stated that: “No significant excess all-cause mortality was observed in week 42 overall or by age group, however subnationally excess was noted in the North West.”
  7. However, there have been substantial fewer excess deaths from acute respiratory infections but considerable excess deaths for ischaemic heart diseases and cerebrovascular diseases.
  8. Thus, this data suggests that there are: (1) Fewer 111 and GP assessments for respiratory infections than is typical for the time of year; (2) Fewer patients treated for acute respiratory infections than the seasonal norm; and (3) Fewer deaths from acute respiratory infections (including COVID-19) than is normal for this time of year. If that is so, how can you say that there is a respiratory health crisis?
  9. The NHS has provided data for the last quarter of 2019, which shows that a mean of 89.6% of beds and 91.5% of “general and acute” beds were occupied between October and December 2019 within the North West of England. What is the occupancy now?
  10. What is the total occupancy for hospitals in other regions both this year and 2018 and 2019 for ICU units and generally? Without this, how can we compare this year against other years in which there were bad flu epidemics – including especially 2018?

Stop Press: Parliament’s website shows that five questions from MPs about the false positive rate have gone unanswered by ministers. The only answer so far, posted on Monday: “The Department of Health and Social Care has indicated that it will not be possible to answer this question within the usual time period. An answer is being prepared and will be provided as soon as it is available.”

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Just one today: “Cosy Prisons” by A-ha.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, a reader has sent us the ludicrous menu of genders that confronts a person when attempting to register for “Crunchbase.com”, a platform for tech companies to market their latest fundraising rounds:

  • Female
  • Male
  • Agender
  • Androgyne
  • Androgynous
  • Bigender
  • Female to Male (FTM)
  • Male to Female (MTF)
  • Gender Fluid
  • Gender Nonconforming
  • Gender Questioning
  • Gender Variant
  • Genderqueer
  • Non-Binary
  • Neutrois
  • Pangender
  • Transgender Person
  • Transgender Female
  • Transgender Woman
  • Transgender Male
  • Transgender Man
  • Transfeminine
  • Transmasculine
  • Transsexual Person
  • Transsexual Female
  • Transsexual Woman
  • Transsexual Male
  • Transsexual Man
  • Two-Spirit
  • Other
  • Prefer not to identify

Completely insane.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.

Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.

Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.

Christian Concern is JR-ing the Government over its insistence on closing churches during the lockdowns. Read about it here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swfyslAaz2o

This YouTube mash-up by Computing Forever in which Klaus Schwab, the architect of the Great Reset, is intercut with famous movie villains is pretty funny. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but… (Still think that phrase would look great on a T-shirt.)

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Helen
Helen
5 years ago

NEW POLITICAL PARTY dieBasis

https://diebasis-partei.de

theBase will be the new strong force in society – the best you have ever chosen.
dieBasis unites people who want to live in peace and freedom and make better decisions together.

theBasis demands with regard to the current corona measures:

  • Immediate stop of all measures and start of a public scientific discussion
  • Immediate adjustment of the PCR tests
  • Legal reappraisal of the events in both civil and criminal law
  • dieBasis calls for the withdrawal of all amendments to the law and the powers of regulation issued in response to an epidemic situation of national importance.
calchas
calchas
5 years ago

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Just… no.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Nappy bullocks

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Perhaps the most loathsome. flesh-crawling image of probably the most obnoxious public figure outside formal politics in the modern western world. Unlike the majority of his political side, I’m not a believer in censorship, but mere decency should suggest putting such images behind a link, so that innocent readers do not have it inflicted upon them perforce, any more than we already get due to the heavyhandey big money marketing.push for his “humour”.

If there were a case to be made for censorship for the public good, though, he is its strongest exemplar.

Faugh!

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

Charles Walker’s speech to Parliament was one of the finest I have ever heard in my lifetime. Impassioned, full of integrity, clearsighted, measured and stirring – and so wise in its understanding of the wellsprings of law and good governance. I shall certainly be e mailing him an expression of my appreciation.

Telpin
Telpin
5 years ago

I visited a major London hospital for blood tests today. As it was throughout the lockdown all the outpatient clinics were closed. How can Whitty claim that the LD is preserving hospitals’ ability to treat other conditions. I’ve seen with my own eyes that this is a downright lie.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  Telpin

I don’t suppose you happened to see Truth in A&E on your way out? More probably in the ICU on a ventilator. Or the morgue.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

NW Ambulance Service explained the other day they were experiencing huge demand but it wasn’t Covid related. I suspect it’s what I call Lockdown Stress – people with a range of conditions put into a state of high stress by government announcements and consequent restrictions. People are suddenly realising “I won’t be able to see my mother/sister/son/daughter” or “I’ve got to get x,y,z medicine before it runs out” or “I can’t face being stuck in this cramped fiat with my abusive partner. ” There are any number of such scenarios all inducing mental stress that can then lead to medical issues re blood pressure, heart function , mental health and so on.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

The mental health effects of this are going to rumble on for many years even if they stop tomorrow. Trying to dodge Covid19 is the most disastrous public policy mistake of all time and deeply, devilishly insidious. We must hope that the Govt’s position becomes untenable soon and be prepared to take part in open protest and disobedience.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Hieronimusb

Absolutely. There’s no doubt everything is, with time, going the sceptical, ku way – it must since the “sceptical” position is the realistic and scientifikc position.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Different mental health practitioners have told me that
1. Current interventions are ineffective because masks must be worn during therapy sessions.
2. Their pre-existing caseload has been made more demanding with patients relapsing due to lockdown, specifically isolation.
3. They have no chance of taking on new patients driven into depression by that same lockdown (and of course now another one).

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Telpin

Well Whitty is a lying clown-toad and will do as he wishes but the good guys are closing in on him from every direction.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago

Is it too cynical of me to think that my local main regional hospitals sudden return to old normal, when it is supposed to be getting ready to be overwhelmed by the covid, is because that is the best place to get non-covid patients proper infected with a high viral load ?

Especially given that many will be vulnerable because of whatever condition they are going into hospital for and with a weakened immune system from months of shielding and mask wearing.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Maybe. As I understand it, all hospitals have strict Covid and non Covid zones. ,

Biggles
Biggles
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I was told back in the summer by someone who is in a senior management role in our local NHS hospital trust that the plan was to be 90% back to normal by the end of October.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think it was Prof Heneghan last week who said 17.6% of infections were in hospial infections not covid. I believe he was talking about things like MRSA.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Excellent, I should have got a printer on Tuesday.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

True. This idea like most good ideas can be traced back to the Greeks.

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago

https://youtu.be/Laws0ASNoIk

Not endorsing as I don’t know the guy, but seemed to me to nail it.

Now. Read this from May

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/05/covid-19-infection-risk-70-times-higher-on-tube-without-masks/

And then this

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-london-tube-buses-tfl-research-b1619402.html%3famp

They are suggesting that the increased cleaning and (possibly) nappies have been so effective to completely eradicate the most deadly virus in human history. Somewhat impossible especially given when they did exactly the same thing pre masks they also found NO evidence of the virus.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Alex Belfied is sound on most things, on a par with Carl Vernon. Short sharp reports on a wide range of topics.
I read a report about TfL being Covid free a day or so ago.

Bartleby
Bartleby
5 years ago

Judy, I couldn’t agree more. Shame on all of them. I know the comments are way more frequented than the forums, but I wrote a forum post which seems like a lifetime ago on how this happened and it just seems to be more and more confirmed each day as we hear more. The update from Toby’s private conversations into the heart of the government and how scared they are particularly seems relevant. If you’ll indulge me I’m going to recap a little here as it seems relevant, here’s what I wrote when I first joined the site:

“The reason why I can’t buy into the conspiracy theories, is that there isn’t one. I mean one, as in a singular conspiracy theory. Rather than there being a simple, singular explanation, what we’re seeing is huge mix of vested, nested and special interests riding their own apocalyptic agenda-horses either to achieve, deflect or avoid something. In other words, there are multiple conspiracy theories competing and contributing to the whole mess.

It has to be said that the first of these is the Conservative political angle. We know the events of mid-to-late March saw an abrupt change in the UK approach. This… Read more »

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago

We have just finished the pre-starter nibbles on the table before ordering our meal. And this is a Greek Meze. Dozens of courses to come. Hope you’re hungry folks!

leggy
leggy
5 years ago

Charles Walker’s speech is incredibly important. Basically calls it out in Parliament.

https://youtu.be/B5LRFs54d70

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Now that’s a speech.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Yes, it was a great speech. Very emotional and from the heart, I believe.

Also great speeches from Graham Brady, Mark Harper, Philip Davies (ripped Handjob a new one) and, surprisingly, Theresa May, who suggested Boris was fiddling the numbers to fit policy.

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

don’t give TM any credit at all – that was just venomous hypocritical politicking at its very lowest – get a personal & public dig in at johnson and then abstain, thereby not displeasing her NWO paymasters

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Agree about her abstaining after saying what she said; that was unforgivable.

JHuntz
JHuntz
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

The shadows now that is an interesting choice of words…

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Clearly not on the payroll.
Charles Walker a name to remember.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Wow, that was powerful.

I’ve never voted Tory in life but how have they got the likes of Walker on the backbenches, whilst fuckwits like Johnson, Hancock et al. are in the cabinet?

Leemc23
Leemc23
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Johnson was “popular” with people – god knows why. And the only qualifications needed to be in his cabinet seems to be an ability to say “yes”.

JHuntz
JHuntz
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

He’s on the backbench because he’s not bought and paid for.

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

exactly – you have to be a deviant of some sort to get ahead, so that you can be blackmailed when convenient

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Sadly, that’s probably true

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

Has there been an critique of the graph presented by the NHS guy (Stevenson?) at the Bozo presentation today. Saw a snippet and it looked dodgy.

jim j
jim j
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’ve been sending that around my friends since it was first used in the Sat night chart pack. It selectively starts in August in order to not include the April peak, which is 20k as opposed to the current 12k.
We also know that 20k represented 61% of NHS capacity. Therefore currently we are currently around 36%, or 1/3 capacity…
dodgy AF

jim j
jim j
5 years ago
Reply to  jim j

He used –

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jim j
jim j
5 years ago
Reply to  jim j

The full data set –

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Haven’t seen it yet; couldn’t bring myself to watch Johnson for the third time in less than a week.

I’m sure as soon as it’s on the Gov.uk site the stats guys here and on the net will be all over it.

Given their history, and reports from hospital and local press around the country, I doubt it was honest.

Edit: Just found it; it’s a pack of lies. Admission figures are fiddled.

See my post from earlier: https://dailysceptic.org/2020/11/05/latest-news-184/#comment-230309

Also see the discussion between me and NickR below/above (depending on which order you are reading).

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I wouldn’t trust Stevenson as far as I could throw him!

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Brilliant! Keith would approve.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Brilliant! Bit like Johnny Rotten called out the monarchy as being diseased a decade or more before that became generally accepted. Maybe in ten years’ time “billionaire saviour syndrome” will be recognised as a diseased form of behaviour motivated by ego, not true philanthropy. ,

calchas
calchas
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Great!

NappyFace
NappyFace
5 years ago

Anyone else find this bizarre? So many questions!

Coronavirus: Denmark imposes lockdowns amid mink covid fears

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54833459

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Yep, bizarre. A curious and potentially troubling change of direction.

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Expect plenty more of these. The state has a very large kitchen sink.

theanalyst
theanalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Yeah,,,,its a bit strange and I don’t get it. We live in cruel times.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Badgers next in UK I expect, handy that since ‘they’ want badgers got rid of.

Probably have another go with cats to extend lockdown beyond March. So much fun to be had bullying grandma into giving up her moggie.

Cows and sheep would be usefull to keep the countryside free from the urban hoards.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’d say foxes, isn’t some council already funding hunting?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  DRW

My foxes are far too healthy to harbour covid.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Covid Marshals rootling through your allotment?

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

But aSyMpToMaTiC sPrEaD!1!1

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Denmark randomly imposed mandatory masks the other day which did surprise me. Any further descent into madness does not surprise me as clearly they have ‘got with the program’.

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Another one who “wouldn’t do another lockdown”…

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

They were flying the mink scare a few weeks ago.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Has Ferguson visited Denmark recently by any chance?

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Punishment for daring to suggest that masks might not be effective. And the damn report hasn’t even been published yet. Our enemy is seriously dangerous, lashing out ever more viciously as it becomes threatened.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Well to be honest, I was thinking more about the likely mink cull.

Ferguson has form on needlessly destroying millions of animals.

NickR
NickR
5 years ago

Hospital Occupancy has was lower yesterday than the prior 2 days. It’s barely shifted in the past 10 days.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Local NHS know this. My regional major hospital is operating more like the old normal than since before lockdown 1.

In no way is it ‘Cleared for Covid’.

Hieronimusb
Hieronimusb
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Seasonality explains everything that we are seeing. If they don’t get caught with their fingers in the till soon it’ll be an entirely unholy miracle. Going to be very hard to finesse with any credibility unless they’re just going to leave it to the army, police, and a tightly controlled media.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Where is this graph from?

NickR
NickR
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
The last 10 days from the csv file released at 9:30 tonight on the gov dashboard, under healthcare.

NickR
NickR
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

See my earlier post about 30 posts below showing admissions, that’s going down too!

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Thanks.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

So what was the dodgy graph the NHS guy presented today? Just hoping I can avoid watching the thing …

JHuntz
JHuntz
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Well clearly that is evidence that the lockdown today worked….

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I hope we see the day when every single police officer who tried to enforce the government regulations hangs their head in shame. And receives a custodial sentence where appropriate. Ex-coppers do not get treated well in the nick.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Don’t tar all ordinary police with the same brush : they are put in an impossible situation by this shit-show government and they’re not all hired hooligans of the TSG.

Natalie
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

No, I am sorry, the situation is now too serious, just as I have no sympathy for those working in the NHS. You can see the wrongdoing going on, not just on an isolated incidence but on an engineered ongoing negative response to law abiding people. If you support, cojole, encourage or support action that harms people or causes death then you are as defined in criminal charges an accomplice. I think the Nuremberg trials dismissed the excuse of ‘I was only following orders’

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

well said – if you enforce arbitrary unjust pointless laws against people who are being grossly deceived & manipulated you deserve no sympathy at all

Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

I meant ‘cajole’.

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

No. My SiL is one. My dad was one. However, they police with consent and live in the community with us. They MUST be individually reminded of this all the time, and told they and their families will answer to their neighbours if they accept instruction to oppress us.

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It’s not an impossible situation when you’re asked to keep students as prisoners. All decent officers should agree that is wrong, and act accordingly.

Natalie
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

No, I disagree and I say that from experience. If you have a role of professional accountability, then you have to stand by that. Medical professionals are now in infringement of their promise to do no harm, equally law enforcement in their agreement to police by consent. They are all acting in flagrant contradiction to their official roles and promised allegiances and thus need to be treated as so. Just because your neighbour was such a nice person, when you found out they were a mass murderer, doesn’t exempt them from the crime.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

Throughout Wednesday in heavy pre-lockdown 2 traffic and footfall there was a clear increase in the numbers of police cars driving around doing nothing in particular.

On Thursday, with anybody out and about being a potential lockdown offender, they seemed entirely absent.

Natalie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Fine, I don’t dispute that. But we have plenty of evidence of heavy handed police tactics and that is where my comments were aimed. Equally, can we dismiss the angel virtue of all the medics and nurses – there is gross negligence afoot, and it is their ethical duty to call it out. In the 1980 s when I trained, it was drummed into us, never to agree to any action that you knew was contrary to your patient’s health, and yes I stood by that on many occasion. Obviously, that was deleted in training since.

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

yes indeed! and where there’s gross negligence that causes even one death, there’s the crime of gross negligence manslaughter – so how many arrests, charges, and convictions are there going to be?

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

I wasn’t making a point Natalie, merely an observation. I found it peculiar and wonder what they are up to.

My mum was nurse, trained in London WW2 and would have agreed with you. She was obliged to take action when my dad was being poorly treated in hospital shortly before he died, that was 15 years ago.

Natalie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Thanks . Yes, one incidence is when I was severely demoted back in the 90s in Oman for causing a stir in concerns in patient care. There were a few of us, all sent to the ‘Siberia gulag’ , which we called it at the time. Funny enough, sent to that wasteland, which after 6 miserable months turned out to be some of the best of my life and met my husband, and still going strong 25 years later. There are rewards for standing on your principles, besides doing the right thing.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The “ordinary police” have a choice – enforce or turn a blind eye. If they do the latter then we can assume they think this is all as ridiculous as the rest of us. If they vigorously enforce, then they are part of the enemy.

The TSG, on the other hand, are just unintelligent degenerates. My highest loathing goes to the scum giving them their orders though.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Looking on the bright side, the order givers wear different coloured hats/helmets, so can be easily identified. Like Nelson was on the quarterdeck of the Victory.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

The young are finally waking up!

DRW
DRW
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

About time too, my university would be actually worth attending for something like this.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

They can be such a force for good. So many of the elder crowd feel there is too much at stake to speak out, the youth can be the spark.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Good for them, let’s hope others follow their example.
Capitulation seems to have become habitual among Vice Chancellors.

James
James
5 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I just watched V for Vendetta. And then my niece told me about this. More to come. About bloody time.

Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  James

Watch Man in the High Castle too

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Good for them.

I hope there’s more to come; preferably without violence, but I think the cops have their orders.

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Increasing numbers of articles in the graun not exactly Sceptic but illustrating many of our arguments.
Lord Sumption had a guarded article in it yesterday.

Watt
Watt
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Far too late for that shower of shits to be forgiven! The Guardian was in the forefront of the dissemination of grotesque distorted propaganda since this nonsense began!

Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Watt

Yes indeed we have to remember which media stoked the lies and they won’t be forgiven. If there are good journalists at the G I hope they pushed back. Would be good to know.

Ozzie
5 years ago

Another petition to sign ahead of the MP pay review consultation:

http://chng.it/7qsBZNQJMv

This time to reduce MP’s pay to 80% of usual over lockdown

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
5 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

No. They should fall fully in line with the scheme and have their income reduced to £2500 per month in accordance with the cap.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

They should be made to subsist on £75 per week!

Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Starting with Greasy Matt

Watt
Watt
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

And be picking cabbages in the wetlands all winter or until they drop.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago

Well said.

Antid
Antid
5 years ago

z

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

I’m starting a new sticker campaign on Great Covid Lies. Please can you point me to where SAGE (was it?) advocated doubling the WHO’s antisocial distance because Brits were too stupid to understand it?

DJ Dod
DJ Dod
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie
Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Thsnk you!

MyHomeIsMyCastle
MyHomeIsMyCastle
5 years ago

The Telegraph has an exclusive saying the govt has been forced to revise downwards some of its dodgy graphs.

ttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/05/covid-graphs-wrong-death-toll-will-not-surpass-first-wave/

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago

It’s not even been a week. Seriously. Any MP who was on the fence but with a “heavy heart” voted yes needs dragged out of their slumber now.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

They pulled it off though. This is one u-turn we’re not going to see. Hopefully our somnolent representatives will have developed some morals and a spine by December 2.

Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago

But of course the primacy effect has made sure the dodgy figures from Saturday have done their job and terrified the muppets.

Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
5 years ago

I’ve been busy today and so this may have been mentioned already? so apologies if this is a repeat;
These lock-downs sure work fast, we have not even been locked up for 24 hours and today NHS England announced that the total number of Covid patients in English NHS hospitals fell by 75, down from 10419 yesterday to 10344 today.
Or could it be that the numbers were about to fall anyway? and that is just down to Hancock & Johnson suffering from a bad case of premature incarceration!

Lucky
Lucky
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

‘premature incarceration’ – I like that.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucky

I know who I’d like to subject to a permanent incarceration!

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Handjob: “You see, everyone, lockdowns do work!”

Seriously, though; it’s not the first time in the last couple of weeks it’s done this, Steve. There really is no crisis; I think we all know that on here.

I just wish we could convince ‘the masked’. 🙁

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Or perhaps given how fucking incompetent they are, that fall was meant to happen in a week or two to justify the lockdown.

Oops…

karenovirus
karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Was the plan all along, they ejaculated the coming horrors to initiate lockdown 2 and then claim the credit when they release us in time for Xmas.
They have done this in previous flu outbreaks so they know how it works.

Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago

Just had another brute force password attack on my account here.

Anyone else?

Richard O
Richard O
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Very suspicious given that you are mirroring the comments.

Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I got the same treatment only two days after signing up.

Maybe it’s Neil Ferguson: he doesn’t like cows.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

I don’t know; I’ve seen his bird. She’s a right old cow! 😉

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Thanks for the heads-up. What’s telling you this, Mabel?

Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

The site told me when I attempted to access it again after an hour of not using it. I just needed to log in again. (I did check first to make sure I wasn’t being phished by a false page.)

My session must have been invalidated by too many bad password attempts by whichever script kiddie was trying to pwn me.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Thanks, I’ll keep an eye on that.

NickR
NickR
5 years ago

UK Government updated daily hospitalisations tonight. Today’s figure was 1,246, that’s 34 below yesterday. That’s 9 days of absolute flatlining, so no effect from the non-pharmaceutical interventions, everything’s already baked in.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

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Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Did you see my post earlier, Nick?

Hundreds of those admissions are people who are already in hospital. They test them for covid and anyone who gets a positive test gets added to the following day’s admission figures.

Actual physical admissions (people actually going in to hospital) are a fraction of the reported figures!

NickR
NickR
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Yes, I’m going to look into this, I suspect if the the growth in nosocomial infections were eliminated hospitalisations would be going down. See my chart below. I’ve put in a 5% growth line, the lowest rate of nosocomial infection, & at that rate it accounts for all the growth!

051120 Hosp v CEBM.jpg
Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I suspect if the the growth in nosocomial infections were eliminated hospitalisations would be going down.

It’s no excuse for fiddling the figures.

I’m sure you understand this.

My point, Toby’s NHS doctor’s point, and Heneghan’s point is that these are NOT hospitalisations/admissions at all.

They are adding people who are already in hospital to the daily admission figures they release on Gov.uk and to the MSM.

NickR
NickR
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Until recently they classified patients as ‘Admitted’ or ‘Diagnosed’. Admitted were people admitted to hospital with a pre-existing positive test. Diagnosed were pre-existing inpatients who were in for some other reason & then had a positive test. Throughout the whole period 82% of hospital patients were ‘Diagnosed’, they somehow got to hospital, were in hospital for a few days then got a positive test, so yes, most patients have come from within the care system, remembering that 50% who died were in care homes or dying at home.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  NickR

So we are agreed, then? The daily “Admissions” figure, used to frighten the public, is the total of Admitted and Diagnosed, as shown on here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Covid-Publication-08-10-2020v3.xlsx

They are not people “admitted to hospital” as claimed by Johnson, Handjob, et al and published daily here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

As I said earlier, Heneghan and his team are on this. Hopefully, he can put enough pressure on them to get them to stop it.

Today’s ‘actual’ physically admitted to hospital figure is probably nearer 250-300 rather than the 1,246 published today.

Edit. By the way, I hope you don’t think I’m arguing with you, I’m not; I know we’re both on the same side trying to get to the truth. 🙂

Marialta
Marialta
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

May I chip in with my recent experience in a rapid discharge team in an NHS A/E Dept ? My team worked to discharge patients from A/E and short stay wards as quickly and safely as possible to save beds on wards becoming occupied unnecessarily. If a patient was discharged within 24 hrs from the Short wards or medical assessment units they were not counted as admissions as they were not given a bed on a (longer term) ward. This was standard bed management practice.

Perhaps the current situation vis a vis admissions may be worse than you think and these quicker discharges are also being counted as admissions when they are not, to inflate figures. Just a thought…..

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago

Article in Telegraph from Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/05/governments-use-data-not-just-confusing-errors-positively-misleading/

‘The Government’s use of data is not just confusing – the errors are positively misleadingWhile the fog of a pandemic can justify or at least excuse some of these mistakes, nothing can justify the lack of transparency’

It surely cannot be long until there are sackings. Question is, who and when, and whether they will go quietly?

dommo
dommo
5 years ago

positively misleading errors means at the very least gross negligence – forget sackings, it’s time for arrests, charges, and convictions!!!

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
5 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Yes, that would force them to spill the beans too.

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago

I wonder, when crunch time arrives, whether they’ll stick together or start stabbing each other in the back.

Hard to tell with such reprobates.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Witless worked very hard to blame Bedspread and absolve himself on Monday.
Unfortunately, he then went on to note that we haven’t acquired immunity to malaria and HIV.
Surprisingly enough, those were the same ludicrously inappropriate examples that Wankock used a couple of weeks ago.
Hmmmmm!

iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

that’s not surprising in the least, they are all following the same fucking dimwit script written by some idiot spad for them. For me that slip up shows clearly that this isnt an accident its all totally scripted. An emininent professor knows that malaria is not a virus, but a thick twat like handjob wouldnt have a clue. Seems like Toby said they are being fed from above not making medical judgements

Draper233
Draper233
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Bedspread!!? I’m probably being thick but who is that?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Vallance!

Sceptic in Oxford
Sceptic in Oxford
5 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Does anyone know whether Dr Witty can be reported to the GMC for this?

dommo
dommo
5 years ago

don’t know, but why bother with that? just get him arrested, charged, and convicted for one or more of the increasingly obvious crimes he has committed

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

I think so…he’s definitely brought the medical profession into disrepute.

As for Vallance can he be got for failure to declare his pecuniary interest in this area when appearing in a public role?

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

This sort of trash must be an absolute nightmare for the likes of Heneghan and Co. These guys need accurate figures in all of their work.

Feel sorry for them trying to sort the wheat from the chaff; of course, in this case it’s all chaff.

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago

I agree. If the sceptics in Parliament get organised and use (written) questions to Ministers (forcing them on record), HoC library enquiries, Committee hearings, and media briefings, Whitty and Vallance’s position becomes untenable, given how many lies they have told.,

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

lies means crimes – forget “untenable positions” – let’s get penal on their asses (ooerr missus!)

Ozzie
5 years ago

Stop the payrise for MPs – consider signing this petition before the 6 November consultation.

http://chng.it/Vrz8npGzGF

(335,000+ have signed it)

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

NO WAY.
They want the money ( what money?) to go to the NHS heroes.
I don’t.

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

bang on – would have signed but for that!

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  dommo

+1 👍

Give it to the binmen and the posties; guys doing a great job round my way. And they are all maskless.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Now that I would go along with.

Natalie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

But it states we appreciate the NHS workers instead. Sorry, but they are now the problem … If they grew a backbone and spoke up about the fraud that is going on, the government couldn’t have an argument .. everything we are being subjected to is based on the myth of the NHS being overwhelmed. While they stay grossly negligent, and I mean every single worker, in their perpetuation in this myth, that is causing untold misery and death, every single one of them is guilty. Please refer to the Nuremberg trials. These people know of the devastation their silence is causing and thus need to be treated accordingly.

dommo
dommo
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

preach sister – you’re on fire tonight!

iansn
iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  Natalie

I get into many FB arguements from snowflake nurses posting that they deserve to have the registration fees cancelled this year because of the hard work they are doing. Answer that lots f other peope are doing the same but dont think they need it cancelling then loads of abuse.Last night I replied to one who posted that people are out protesting about wearing masks and they al deserved to die as she is saving lifes, I asked for some causative evidence of truth, I asked if she hated people who gave flu to friends in the pub as they must be evil careless bastards, or people riding motorbikes having crashes should not be treated by the NHS as it must be their fault etc etc ad infinitum. Self important? are they? or just selfish attention lovers holier than thou types. Like the police there are the good uns and the wrong attitude brainwashed types. Needless to say there was not reply except from someone who called me a dick for not caring and being part of the problem, I replied I had it and survived with no major drama so I cant spread it whatever I do.

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