Where Did SAGE Get 4,000 Deaths a Day?
Spectator editor Fraser Nelson wrote a terrific blog post on Saturday evening, querying where SAGE got its 4,000 deaths-a-day figure from. Remember, it was this modelling that frightened Boris into abandoning his ‘middle path’ strategy in favour of a second lockdown.
Just 10 days ago, Boris Johnson was attacking lockdowns for the “psychological, the emotional damage” they inflict: the effect on mental health as well as the economy. Then, he saw COVID-19 as a menace that could be managed with a “commonsensical approach” of local and regional measures. Now, he sees Covid as a monster capable of overwhelming the NHS and warns of a “medical and a moral disaster” if we do not do a stay-at-home lockdown. His view of the virus seems to have changed, utterly. Why?
As soon as he started his statement, he turned to the graphs on which his case hangs. It was not so much new data, but new models showing new forecasts. Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Officer, ran through them: the same ones leaked to the BBC a few hours earlier. As we know, the first wave peaked at just over 1,000 daily deaths. The new graphs show deaths hitting 4,000 deaths a day – perhaps even as high as 6,000. To put this in perspective, daily deaths in the USA peaked at about 2,500. If 4,000 daily deaths is now plausible from a second wave in Britain, as the models seem to suggest, drastic action is understandable. Here is the graph, shown at the press conference, that makes the case for lockdown:
The above graph is quite a departure from previous understanding of Covid’s potency. We now see second-wave deaths dwarfing not only those from the first wave but those envisaged by the Government’s official ‘realistic worst-case scenario’ (RWC) for the coming winter. The RWC was a secret until the Spectator published it a few days ago, showing deaths peaking at about 800 a day. Here it is.
When we printed the above chart, it looked bad enough. Now it looks tame by comparison of the new studies. And there’s no mention of ‘worst-case’ scenarios: these are billed only as ‘winter scenarios’. But who drew them up? What are the assumptions? And how robust are they? The leak this morning told us who did the modelling: Cambridge, Imperial, etc. Just as an Imperial study made the case for the first lockdown, these four studies make the case for the second. So they ought to be published, together with the assumptions behind them. It would help explain how we get from the data we’ve seen in recent weeks to the scenarios shown to us now, which suggest a tsunami.
Fraser is quite right. If the Government is going to rely on these models to justify placing the whole of England under virtual house arrest for at least a month and almost certainly longer, it is surely under an obligation to publish them? Not just so they can be scrutinised by the electorate, but also by other scientists and – critically – Conservative MPs who will be expected to vote for the second lockdown on Wednesday.
Ross Clark, writing in yesterday’s Telegraph, cast doubt on the reliability of the models used in Saturday’s briefing.
Who noticed the small print at the bottom of the graph, illegible on the version flashed before us during the press briefing but visible in the slides published online: “these are scenarios – not predictions or forecasts”? Oddly, there was no source listed for these graphs – we were told only that they come “from a number of academic modelling groups”. We have subsequently learned that the most frightening curve – the 4,000 a day one – was the work of Public Health England (PHE) and Cambridge University. But it does not seem to have been published – and my efforts to extract the study from PHE have so far drawn a blank. Without being able to see its workings, we have no idea what assumptions have gone into the 4,000 deaths a day claim.
It certainly doesn’t pass the smell test. On Saturday, Public Health England reported 278 new Covid deaths in England. The average number of deaths for the past seven days is 214, up 50 per cent on the week before. If deaths kept on rising at that rate then, yes, you would get to 4,000 deaths a day in December.
However, a better guide to future deaths is the figures for new infections, which, of course, tend to lead the death figures. Over the past seven days PHE has recorded an average of 22,521 new cases a day – which was a six per cent increase on the week before. If deaths follow the trajectory of new infections – as surely they must, unless COVID-19 suddenly mutates into a vastly more deadly form – they will be nowhere near 1,000 a day by Christmas, let alone 4,000.
The figures for new infections clearly show a slowdown in the increase in new infections. But you wouldn’t have gained this impression listening to Professor Chris Whitty or Sir Patrick Vallance on Saturday. Whitty tried to tell us that infections are rising in every part of England – in spite of a graph on the screen clearly suggesting they have begun to fall in the North East. The graphs also indicated a levelling off of new infections in London, the South East and the West Midlands, and low trajectories in the East and South West. Only in the North West and Yorkshire and the Humber are infections following a really worrying curve. Parts of these regions have recently been subjected to Tier 3 restrictions, which are not now going to be allowed time to work.
Instead, exactly as Boris Johnson told us a week ago would be misguided, we are going to close down restaurants in Cornwall to try to fight an epidemic in Manchester. As in the spring, the Government has allowed itself to be panicked by alarmist modelling, a worst-case scenario dressed up as if it were scientific fact – and this time we don’t even get to see the workings.
This is truly alarming. What assumptions have PHE and Cambridge University made in these apocalyptic models? And just how credible are they?
If anyone would like to leak these models to Lockdown Sceptics, we will get a crack team of top scientists to subject them to a quick-and-dirty peer review in time for Wednesday’s vote. Contact us here. Discretion assured.
Stop Press: Turns out, the projections produced by the Cambridge statistical unit that were invoked by Patrick Vallance at Saturday’s press briefings were out of date. According to the Telegraph, Vallance relied on a scenario that was drawn up three weeks ago rather than using a more-up-to-date scenario from the same unit that was far less apocalyptic.
The modelling presented on Saturday night, which suggests deaths could reach 4,000 a day by December, is so out-of-date that it suggests daily deaths are now around 1,000 a day.
In fact, the daily average for the last week is 260, with a figure of 162 yesterday.
And the statistics unit at Cambridge University has produced far more up-to-date projections, with far lower figures, the Telegraph can reveal.
These forecasts, dated October 28 – three days before the Downing Street announcement – far more closely track the current situation, forecasting 240 daily deaths by next week, and around 500 later this month.
While these predictions do not look as far ahead as December, they suggest a picture which is far more optimistic than the scenario which caused shock waves this weekend.
Prof Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, at Oxford University, said he was “deeply concerned” by the selection of data which were not based on the current reality.
He said: “Our job as scientists is to reflect the evidence and the uncertainties and to provide the latest estimates.”
“I cannot understand why they have used this data, when there are far more up-to-date forecasts from Cambridge that they could have accessed, which show something very different.”
Prof Heneghan said his analysis suggests the forecasts could be four to five times too high.
He said: “I’m deeply concerned about how the data is being presented so that politicians can make decisions. It is a fast-changing situation, which is very different in different regions, and it concerns me that MPs who are about to go to a vote are not getting the full picture.”
The Mail has done some digging of its own and also found out some worrying shortcomings in the data that featured so prominently at the Downing Street presser on Saturday night. For instance, the Cambridge forecast classified a death as being from Covid if it occurred within 60 days of a positive test result. It was precisely because the Covid death toll was being inflated in this way (as pointed out by Prof Carl Heneghan) that PHE reluctantly introduced the 28-day cut-off.
Was Boris aware that the Chief Scientific Officer and Chief Medical Officer were presenting him with out-of-date information when they leant on him to impose a full lockdown on Friday? The data presented by them in the Downing Street presser is looking more and more like the dodgy dossier that Alastair Campbell cooked up to justify the invasion of Iraq.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: A reader with a scientific background has summarised the REACT survey for us. You’ll recall, this was among the studies that scared the bejesus out Boris.
They take 85,971 self-administered swabs and analyse using our worst friend, the PCR.
They get 863 positives, which is 1%.
They then add a bit of ‘weight’ to it to make it 1.28%
THEN – get this! – they promptly ignore everyone who’s had it (probably 23 million based on an IFR of 0.2% and the deaths we’ve had) plus those who won’t get it because of T-cells, and multiply 1.28% by the entire population!
They then add a bit more ‘weight’ to the resulting 870,400 to make it 960,000 and then go ‘mmm… symptoms last about 10 days, so that must mean 96,000 cases a day!’
Shitty and Malice read it, report back to Prime Minister Lighthead (who at this stage I’m assuming can’t read himself unless it’s in Latin or Greek), everyone dumps in their pants and we’re off again.
Unbelievable. Utterly Un-make-up-able.
Pressure Builds to Close Schools
Having succeeded in persuading Boris to do a U-turn, the lockdown hawks in SAGE are becoming emboldened and now have school closures in their sights. Sir Mark Walport and Sir Jeremy Farrar, both members of SAGE, have warned that lockdown restrictions may need amending as schools staying open could be problematic. The Mail has more.
Former chief scientific adviser Sir Mark Walport said the new restrictions were not as “severe” as the first time round, and that there was a “possibility” the restrictions may need to stay in place for more than four weeks.
In an interview with Sky’s Sophy Ridge On Sunday, he warned: “It’s unlikely this time to come down quite as fast as it did during the first lockdown because we have got schools open.”
His comments were echoed by Sir Jeremy Farrar, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), who said transmission in secondary schools is “high”.
He told BBC One’s The Andrew Marr Show: “The big difference to the first lockdown is that schools remain open.
“Because we have delayed the onset of this lockdown it does make keeping schools open harder.
“We know that transmission, particularly in secondary schools is high.
“Personally I think this is definitely the lockdown to put in place now but if that transmission, particularly in secondary schools, continues to rise then that may have to be revisited in the next four weeks in order to get R below one and the epidemic shrinking.”
Worth reminding these zealots that there has been no recorded case of a teacher catching the coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, as reported in the Times in July. Back then, Mark Woolhouse, a leading epidemiologist and also a member of SAGE, told the Times that it had been a mistake to close schools in March given the limited role children play in spreading the virus.
“One thing we have learnt is that children are certainly, in the 5 to 15 brackets from school to early years, minimally involved in the epidemiology of this virus,” Professor Woolhouse, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Edinburgh University, said. “They are probably less susceptible and vanishingly unlikely to end up in hospital or to die from it.”
“There is increasing evidence that they rarely transmit. For example, it is extremely difficult to find any instance anywhere in the world as a single example of a child transmitting to a teacher in school. There may have been one in Australia but it is incredibly rare.”
Stop Press: Kevin Courtney, the joint General Secretary of the National Education Union, who’s been leading the calls for school closures, is the highest-paid trade union leader in the country. His annual salary is £217,501, which includes an employers’ national insurance contribution of £21,968 and a pension contribution of £25,264. I wonder how he’d feel about closing schools if he was a single dad working two jobs to support his family?
Three Days to Save the NHS Economy
My friend the famous financial journalist, who cannot be named because it would jeopardise his career, thinks the only thing we can do to try and avert the looming disaster that is the second lockdown is to write to our MPs. I suggested he create a template that Lockdown Sceptics readers could use and he duly obliged.
Dear Member of Parliament,
This week you will be called upon to authorise a second lockdown across England. As your constituent, I urge you reject this proposal on the grounds that lockdowns are ruinous to lives, livelihoods and liberty.
Lives are lost when other medical services are suspended. Lives are ruined by depression and domestic violence which accompany lockdowns. Livelihoods are destroyed and countless families impoverished with future generations left to bear the costs of this ruinous policy. Liberty is suspended as the government rules by decree. Parliament is sidelined and its constitutional role seriously diminished.
Lockdown is not only a cruel and blunt instrument for dealing with COVID-19, it is singularly ineffective. That’s why we are facing a second lockdown so soon after the first. We’re told that hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. But how much confidence should we have in epidemiological models when their forecasting record to date has been so poor?
Evidence from around the world reveals no correlation between lockdowns and coronavirus fatalities. In fact, Peru, the country with the highest fatality rate also had one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns. By contrast, Sweden, which had no lockdown has suffered no excess deaths this year. A policy of “focused protection” for the vulnerable offers a viable alternative approach to a second lockdown.
We have reached a critical moment in our country’s history. If you truly care for the health and welfare of the nation, or are concerned about the future of Parliament, our constitution and liberties, you must reject this second lockdown.
And if you don’t fancy that one, here’s an actual letter a reader has just sent to his MP, Gareth Davies, the member for Grantham and Stamford (Con).
Sir,
I am writing to you as my representative in Parliament, as a resident of Bourne, to urge you not to vote in favour of the planned second Lockdown from Thursday.
The effects of Lockdowns are well known. They’re so negative that even the WHO now advises against them with Prof David Nabarro, special envoy to the WHO saying precisely this in an interview with Andrew Neil on Spectator TV. Our PM even described Lockdowns recently as the ‘nuclear option’ when responding to the Leader of the Opposition’s call for a ‘circuit-break’ recently.
Being furloughed and having to make ends meet on 80% salary as a single-parent of two children was bad enough in March, April and May but will be impossible over the coming month with Christmas approaching. And of course it won’t just be the coming month, will it?
I appreciate the low case rate in South Kesteven compared with elsewhere in the UK May afford me and others here a perceived misunderstanding of the situation nationally, but it doesn’t take long using the government’s own Covid Dashboard to see that what SAGE members are saying doesn’t square with reality. Tier 3 measures being introduced in Greater Nottingham from last Thursday, for example, despite the persistent and sustained fall in cases there from the start of the month is a good case in point. The same for Liverpool & Merseyside and the majority of boroughs in Manchester.
I have never had time for conspiracy theories but I am now fully on board with the likelihood of sinister work at play. All these discredited models by SAGE scientists still seem to curry favour with the PM, who has undoubtedly been ‘got’ early on, following his fight with COVID-19.
Why is SAGE’s reasoning behind their models kept secret? Why is SAGE conflating cases with infections when the two are far from the same?
To be clear, if you vote for this atrocious, unnecessary and legally dubious further grab of our liberties, I – like many others I know – will never vote Conservative again.
You may consider time is on your Party’s side with just under four years before the next General Election, but the lockdown-caused deaths will be ‘slow burners’ for all to see, taking place over the forthcoming years with highly publicised cancer, heart-related and mental illness deaths played out before your, and all your constituents’, eyes, from which there will be no going back.
If the good people of South Kesteven see thousands of unnecessary excess deaths reported with as much gusto as the press has with reminding us of the daily case/death rates for years and years, there is every chance that this Tory stronghold will turn red in the same way the Beast of Bolsolver would never have thought he’d see his constituency turn blue.
Yours sincerely,
XXXXX XXXXXXX
Stop Press: There’s a rebellion brewing on the Conservative back benches, according to the Telegraph – not helped by Michael Gove’s hint on Marr yesterday morning that the second lockdown could be extended well beyond December 2nd.
Tory former minister Sir Desmond Swayne said it would take a “huge amount of persuasion for me to vote for this disastrous course of action”.
Conservative former party leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said the announcement of another lockdown was a “body blow” to the British people.
A Government source said there was “enormous frustration” from backbenchers and ministers about the Government’s handling of the crisis, with the leak of lockdown restrictions suggesting “incompetence” within Number 10.
The Mail has more.
Boris Johnson was facing a Tory rebellion last night over his new national lockdown.
Many of his own MPs were outraged by the revelation that the restrictions could last much longer than the planned four weeks – and potentially even run into spring.
Some indicated they would oppose the measures that business chiefs fear will devastate an already fragile economy.
“I will be voting against the new national lockdown on Wednesday when it comes before the House of Commons,” said former Cabinet minister Esther McVey. “The ‘lockdown cure’ is causing more harm than Covid.”
Another Conservative MP said the fresh clampdown was “like a nightmare that we’ll never wake up from”.
The Mail also has a hard-hitting comment piece by Sir Iain Duncan Smith, questioning whether the data presented by Witless and Unbalanced on Saturday night was fair and accurate.
Please God let more Tory MPs rebel. If Boris has to rely on Labour votes to get the second lockdown through Parliament that will be a political disaster for him.
The Grim Reaper is Owed a Few Souls
I’m publishing a guest post here by an independent researcher who has come up with a novel argument as to why SAGE’s prediction of 4,000 deaths a day if we don’t impose a second lockdown is implausible. I’ve also given it a permanent slot on the right-hand side under the heading of “How Reliable is the Modelling”?
I’m not usually a big fan of making predictions. I love the quote, reputedly from Nils Bohr: “Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future”. But I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say I don’t think the graph shown by Boris Johnson’s “scientists” yesterday, of over 6000 deaths a day in the UK is going to happen. The fact that it was even shown I just find embarrassing. As a Brit. I’m not sure if it’s because it’s so scientifically illiterate, or whether it’s evidence that the authoritarian elite have so little respect for the people of this country that they can just put up such transparent garbage, to get what they want. Which appears to be the destruction of our wealth and way of life.
But there clearly are increasing Covid hospitalisations and deaths currently happening in the UK and in other places. My hypothesis below is that this is because the epidemic was artificially suppressed in April, and now reality is catching up again. The Grim Reaper wants his souls. And I think we can make a reasonable prediction of how many he is coming for, based on how many we tried to prevent him getting the first time around. Apparently, deaths during respiratory epidemics normally follow the Gompertz curve, a feature of which is the straight line decline once the epidemic has peaked. A comparison between Sweden and the UK shows this.
The artificial suppression of the virus progress back in March and April took the UK off the natural Gompertz trajectory. The change in the slope is clearly visible around the last week in April. What I am proposing here is that those lives which were saved from the end of April through to the end of July were only really delayed deaths, as this virus is not eradicable. And now they are due. And they are also predictable. If we look at the UK in more detail (showing actual seven day average death counts):
The break in slope at around April 23rd is clear, and makes sense when you consider that it would have taken about a month for any effect of the lockdown to become visible on the death count. And as can be seen with the change in slope, we have had less deaths than should have occurred.
And then all I have done is the graph up these daily ‘missing deaths’ that were the ‘gap’ between April and July, and overlay them against what is being observed as ‘the second wave’. As can be seen in this graph, the fit to the actual rise in cases in October is actually quite good. Up until now.
This ‘model’ would suggest that deaths will peak within a week or two, and after a month’s plateau at numbers between 250 and 300 per day, rapidly decline through December.
Now of course this could all be complete nonsense. Time will shortly tell. But I thought it would be good to put out an alternative hypothesis to the rubbish that Boris Johnson has based his reasoning on. Unfortunately, even if what I have shown above comes to pass, our liberal elite leadership will claim this is based on their lockdown response and assure us we need to remain with restrictions as there will still be cases in the community, and according to SAGE only a few percent of the nation will have been infected. Hundreds of thousands could still die. And don’t forget the recent ‘study’ from Imperial college, showing that immunity is only transient, so lots of scope for us all to be reinfected. We may be down this rabbit hole for a very long time.
Brexit Party Reinvents Itself as Anti-Lockdown Party
According to the Telegraph, the Brexit Party is about to reinvent itself as an Anti-Lockdown Party called Reform UK and contest hundreds of seats at the elections in May. Founders Nigel Farage and Richard Tice have declared lockdowns don’t work and instead back a policy of “focused protection”, as set out in the Great Barrington Declaration (see below).
Chief Political Correspondent Christopher Hope has more.
The news will worry Conservative MPs, scarred by the way that Mr Farage’s previous Eurosceptic parties – the UK Independence Party and the Brexit Party – sapped support for the Tory party at previous elections.
The Brexit Party – which won 29 seats in last year’s European Parliament elections 10 weeks after it was set up – claimed to have 150,000 ‘registered supporters’ at its peak, although numbers are understood to have fallen to tens of thousands since then. Hundreds of thousands of pounds has been said to have been pledged for the re-badged party.
Mr Farage said he expected to find support among people whose businesses have been adversely affected by the lockdown, such as the self-employed, restaurateurs and others in the hospitality industry.
He said: “We feel there is a massive political hole at the moment. The crisis has shown how badly governed we are – everything from our quangos to the £12 billion we have wasted on track and trace, to firms being given the most ludicrous contracts, to illegal immigration where we tough talk and nothing ever happens.
“The whole system of government in the UK is not working, and is therefore in need of very radical reform. Brexit is about making us free, but beyond Brexit we have to be governed better. Brexit is the beginning of what we need. Brexit gives us self-governance – we now need to have good self-governance.”
Farage and Tice have announced the formation of the new party in a comment piece for the Telegraph.
They say: “Lockdowns don’t work: in fact, they cause more harm than good. But there is a credible alternative, recommended by some of the finest epidemiologists and medics in the world. It is the Great Barrington Declaration. It is effectively being practised to a large degree in Sweden, with considerable success.
“Focused protection is the key, targeting resources at those most at risk: the elderly, vulnerable or those with other medical conditions. Many of them of course would prefer to hug their grandchildren and enjoy a family Christmas with loved ones. They should not be criminalised for the simple acts that make life worth living, particularly in their final years.
“The rest of the population should, with good hygiene measures and a dose of common sense, get on with life. This way we build immunity in the population. The young act as warriors, creating a shield of protection. Multi generational households will of course need to implement stricter measures.”
They add: “Every death is a huge loss for family, friends and loved ones. But we must put Covid-related deaths into perspective. Around 1,600 people die every day in the UK, for some reason or other.
“The average age of a coronavirus fatality is 82: older than average life expectancy. The truth is this horrible illness is only very dangerous for a tiny minority of people.
“The average person has more than a 99.5 per cent chance of surviving the disease if they catch it. We must have the courage to live with the virus, not hide in fear of it.”
The party will back the Great Barrington Declaration, a policy backed by thousands of scientists and doctors, which advocates only requiring the elderly and most vulnerable to lock down.
The pair add: “Reform is the only significant political party that supports the Great Barrington Declaration. We are showing the courage needed to take on consensus thinking and vested interests on Covid.
“But there are so many areas of public life that can be improved to benefit ordinary people. That is why we will campaign for Reform.”
This is a very positive development. Until now, political opposition to the lockdown has come from a few brave Conservative MPs like Sir Graham Brady, Sir Desmond Swayne, Esther McVey, Sir Iain Duncan Smith and Charles Walker. If Reform UK can attract the same sort of support as the Brexit Party it will pose a credible threat to sitting Conservative Mayors, Counsellors and Police and Crime Commissioners in the local elections next May – and that will undoubtedly create more internal opposition to the lockdown policy within the Conservative Party. More power to their elbow.
Worth reading in full.
Boris Thinks the Lockdown is a Ravenous Devouring Monster
A reader has pointed out that Boris recently compared a second lockdown to the mythical Greek monster Scylla – which is spot on, obviously. Classically-educated readers will recall that Odysseus had to navigate a narrow waterway, with Scylla on one bank and Charybdis on the other, plotting exactly the right line or risk being devoured by one of them.
It’s worth reminding ourselves now of the metaphors that Boris has used to describe lockdown. The “nuclear option” – assured destruction, massive and indiscriminate, only to be deployed by an insane Dr Strangelove. And Scylla (a characteristically show-off classical reference – Boris said he would steer a course between the Scylla of national lockdown and the Charybdis of “letting it rip”). Which makes the lockdown… a ravenous devouring monster. Sounds about right. Someone should lash him to the mast and stop him listening to the alluring sirens of SAGE. (In Robert Fagles’ translation of the Odyssey, the opening lines are: “Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns, driven time and again off course”.)
I’ve Started a Petition to Cut MPs Salaries by 20% – in Line With Furloughed Workers
I started a petition last night on Change.org asking MPs to take a 20% pay cut for the duration of the lockdown, just as furloughed employees are having to do. My hope is it will attract so many signatures, MPs will feel under moral pressure to do it and that, in turn, will make them reluctant to wave through the second lockdown in the House of Commons on Wednesday – or, if they do, make them more inclined to hold Boris to the December 2nd deadline.
You can sign it here.
Stop Press: Someone has started a petition to stop the second lockdown. You can sign that one here.
The Covid Physician
I’m publishing a long piece today by a dissident NHS doctor who styles himself the Covid Physician and can be found on twitter here. It’s essentially a diary of what it’s been like to be a practising GP during the pandemic. Here’s an extract:
My attitude to the Government pandemic advice hardened significantly when I received the CCG (Clinical Commissioning Group) advice on pyrexial over-70 year olds in the community: do not admit them. If they get very ill, call the Macmillan nurse and palliative care team. This was my first sniff of the new-normal clinical lunacy. It was redolent of the swine ‘flu panic where in 2009 we were negligently told to prescribe novel anti-viral medication to anyone on the basis of the slightest raised temperature, regardless of better alternative diagnoses. A reasonable body of doctors would never do this under sane conditions.
I did research. Given my older patients were to be left at home to sink or swim, I concluded that the very safe hydroxychloroquine, zinc and azithromycin combination was worth trying in the best interests of those marooned patients. I was blessed to have my own NHS dispensary and quickly ordered the medications. That was when the second whiff of madness was caught: the gaslighting (‘nudging’) mainstream media was repeatedly telling me it was very dangerous, they were lambasting my brave and learned international medical colleagues for daring to say anything but a vaccine was effective in mitigating COVID-19. Our CCG pharmacist emailed all GPs to ask us to not prescribe hydroxychloroquine in suspected COVID-19 cases as this would diminish stock for the usual rheumatoid and lupus users.
As it happens, such was the lack of community cases of clinically-unwell COVID-19, I never had to use the triple therapy. The closest I got was when a very feverish lady in her 80s was being left to probably die of a severe sepsis. She was refused hospital admission. At that time, I was not allowed to see her, as we had a dedicated Covid ‘red hub’ to remotely triage queried Covid cases to. Its guidelines had concluded temperature equated to Covid, which in turn equated to no hospital access allowed for over-70s. This was my third experience of what was now a reeking stench. Fortunately, her home-help called me to notify me of the ensuing danger. I assessed the situation remotely and concluded that the clinical logic of the red hub was wrong. The most likely cause was line sepsis (she had an in-dwelling feeding line in a major blood vessel). I spoke to the red hub and the hospital to explain that the guidelines were fatally negligent. They took her in, and line sepsis it was. This simply required a new line and intravenous antibiotics. She survived to rejoin her husband, but how many are still dying of perfectly treatable, potentially fatal illness?
Worth reading in full.
Latest Polling
I received an email from Savanta ComRes yesterday detailing the results of a poll it conducted after Boris’s presser on Saturday. It makes for grim reading I’m afraid.
Latest polling conducted by Savanta ComRes last night, after Boris Johnson’s announcement, shows strong support for new four-week lockdown. Almost three quarters say they support the measures (72%), with just 15% saying that they oppose them. One in ten (11%) say they neither support nor oppose the measures.
Support is highest for closing pubs, bars and restaurants, with three quarters of English adults supporting it (76%), and just one in ten opposing it (12%). Around half (47%) say they support schools, colleges, and universities staying open, with two in five opposing keeping these open (37%).
When asked how long they think the measures will last, almost half (47%) of English adults think we’ll emerge later than the planned date of 2nd December, while a third believe the measures will end on that date (32%). Just over one in five believe the restrictions will end earlier than the planned date of December 2nd (7%).
I’d like to meet someone in the 20% who think restrictions will end earlier than December 2nd. I have a bridge I’d like to sell them…
There was one glimmer of light.
When asked about how the Government has handled the pandemic over the last month, around half of English adults think they have handled it badly (53%), while around a quarter think they have handled it well (23%).
We still have much work to do comrades.
NHS Test-and-Invent
I get about a dozen emails like this every day. Something has gone very wrong at NHS Test and Trace.
Just heard an amusing anecdote from my taxi driver today. He explained that he and three members of his family went for a test (as he’d been in contact with someone infected). When they got to the centre they were told there was a four-hour wait, he said “f**k that!” and they all left without being swabbed… Thirty-six hours later all four of them received a text that they had all tested positive and had to isolate by law for 14 days! And that system cost us 12 billion pounds???
Message From North Korea the Devolved Nations
A reader in Scotland emailed me yesterday, having created the above image.
Living under the Sturgeon Terror I could not resist creating this in Photoshop when I heard England would be screening Lockdown 2: This Time It’s Personal for a month.
Ironically, despite Sturgeon’s “anything Boris can do I can do worse” policy, come Thursday Scotland will have the least severe Lockdown in the UK by default. I give that about five minutes before Sturgeon goes one up by making gloves and goggles compulsory or something equally mental.
Don’t expect the restrictions to end on December 2nd. In Scotland we were told that the restrictions would be for two weeks. That was then extended to three weeks then with the Tier System it was extended to forever.
On the plus side, now that the nations of the UK are all in the same sinking boat the tossers at the top can no longer play regional divide and rule. This means that there will be a united opposition to the UK wide restrictions. Since it is clear that protest, resistance and push back are the only thing that are going to put an end to this madness, that can only be a good thing.
Stop Press: Alan Cochrane in the Telegraph says Nicola Sturgeon has been a contrast-gainer from Boris’s latest flip-flop. The dithering chump is going to cost us the Union, isn’t he?
Round-Up
- “Americans are too willing to bow to authoritarianism and sacrifice their rights for ‘the greater good‘” – Great piece in the Post-Millennium by Libby Emmons, based on an interview with yours truly
- “This is far too grave a decision for four men to make in private. Who speaks for the British people?” – Good leader in yesterday’s Mail on Sunday
- “A land of fear and twitching curtains” – Dan Hodges takes his life in his hands and visits the People’s Republic of Wales
- “Airlines cancel international flights ahead of national lockdown” – The Telegraph reports that airlines are cancelling all international fights between November 5th and December 2nd
- “The Cult of Covid: How Lockdown Destroyed Britain” – Lockdown sceptic Jamie Walden has written a book about what a disaster the UK lockdown has been. You can purchase it from Amazon here
- “No more handshakes” – Niall Ferguson (the good one) reviews Apollo’s Arrow, Nicholas Cristakis’s book about the pandemic
- “A history of the Swedish covid response” – Sebastian Rushworth M.D., a British doctor in Sweden, with his latest blog post. Always worth reading
- “Treatment with Zinc is Associated with Reduced In-Hospital Mortality Among COVID-19 Patients: A Multi-Center Cohort Study” – Well I never!
- “Repeating these measures is the definition of insanity – and countless people will suffer” – Dr Charles Levinson in the Telegraph says a second lockdown will worsen the already perilous non-Covid health crisis
- “I will not let fear run my life again” – Moving piece in the Conservative Woman by Claire Ball about how she was once paralysed by fear, but no more
- “Open Letter Concerning the Police Enforcement of ongoing COVID-19 restrictions” – Good letter from some Australian police officers, setting out the case against lockdown and arguing that asking them to enforce the absurd draconian rules is undermining public trust in the police
- “Why has Boris closed the churches?” – Heartfelt piece by Melanie McDonagh in the Spectator
- “Instead of lockdown, let’s create a National Shielding Service” – Patrick O’Flynn with a sensible suggestion
- “Student, 26, who was infected while teaching English in Wuhan is found dead in his room at Bangor University after his mother says he ‘never got over hardship of lockdown in China’” – Tragic story of Britain’s first Covid case
- “France’s independent bookshops struggle to survive a second lockdown” – A taste of what’s in store for our high streets after November 5th
- “Wetherspoons launches four-day sale with real ale pints for just 99p before month-long national pub lockdown” – They’ll have to throw it away if it isn’t drunk
- “Maajid Nawaz corners epidemiologist over cost of second lockdown” – Nawaz takes Prof Gabriel Scally to task on LBC for recommending a second lockdown without weighing up the potential costs
- “Coronavirus in Sweden: An Update From Sweden’s Chief Epidemiologist” – Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s State Epidemiologist, corrects a few misunderstandings in recent headlines in an interview with Karen Donfried, President of the German Marshall Fund
- “Democracy besieged” – Good long read in Spiked by Frank Furedi who’s just published a book called Democracy Under Siege: Don’t let Them Lock It Down
- “Barricades in Madrid, clashes in Barcelona, looting in Logrono as anti-lockdown protests grip Spain” – A sample of the violent anti-lockdown protests sweeping Spain
- Dr Eric Berg explains why the Covid death rate is so low – Hint: T-cells
- “The 10 worst Covid decision-making failures” – Prof Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson list the biggest blunders the Government has made in the past eight months. Narrowing it down to 10 must have been difficult
- “The State of Daniel Andrews: Victoria’s Governor Bligh” – Thoughtful critique of Dan Andrews, the Victorian state premier, by Peter Murphy in Quadrant
- “A generation of youngsters has been betrayed” – Hugh Osmond, the founder of Punch Taverns, warns that thousands of pubs will not be reopening their doors after the damage done by a second lockdown
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just two today: “If You Wanna” by the Vaccines and “Here We Go Again Pt 1 and Pt 2” by the Isley Brothers.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today I’m highlighting a fantastic article by John Tamny in Forbes.
“I was shocked by how little dissent was tolerated at Harvard. Anyone who disagreed with the new orthodoxy was automatically branded a racist or a sexist or a homophobe.” “The prevailing orthodoxy was that concepts like ‘truth’ and ‘beauty’ had no place in contemporary education.” Intimacy with female Harvard students meant “you had to seek the woman’s formal permission at every stage in the seduction process.” One professor “had to abandon teaching his class on the ‘Peopling of America’ after he was dubbed ‘racially insensitive.’” His error was to talk about America’s native “population as ‘Indians’ rather than ‘Native Americans.’”
Harvard University has really gone over the edge. It’s hard to imagine that this is what’s happening at what is realistically the U.S.’s most prestigious university, if not the world’s. Higher education is surely in trouble, which means the U.S. is.
Of course the punch line to this weak attempt at a good set-up is that the above recollections weren’t those of a 2019 grad; rather they’re a few tidbits picked up from Toby Young’s classic 2001 memoir, How to Lose Friends and Alienate People. It seems Harvard was ahead of the political correctness pack as the 20th century closed until it’s understood that Young was writing about the Harvard he encountered in 1987. After graduating from Oxford, the essential Young (please bookmark his website Lockdown Sceptics) was given a Fulbright Award, which enabled him to spend a year at Harvard.
Up front, Young would likely admit that part of what makes him so interesting and entertaining is his use of playful exaggeration. We’re talking about someone talented enough to have worked at Vanity Fair in its heyday, but who wrote a memoir about all of all his blunders while there.
Looked at through the prism of his time at Harvard, it’s not unreasonable to speculate that Young cherry-picked the most egregious examples of political correctness. He might admit that the vast majority of students have grand ambitions for their lives after Harvard, many of them are financially motivated, which means most aren’t too politically active one way of the other. Young’s examples of PC-stupidity have a wow factor precisely because they’re kind of rare.
Still, for the purposes of this piece they’re a reminder that PC ridiculousness is hardly an early 21st century concept. It’s as old as higher education is.
Terrific piece and well worth reading in full.
Incidentally, if any readers are tempted to read How to Lose Friends and Alienate People on the back of these glowing references, you can purchase a copy on Amazon here.
Highly recommended.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern is JR-ing the Welsh Government over its insistence on closing churches during the “circuit breaker”. See its letter-before-action here and an article about it here.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
If you’ve been watching the American Presidential election, you’re probably feeling pretty uninspired by the two candidates. However, the candidates in 2024 should be more impressive. Some of the Republican governors who refused to shut down their states – or made sure the shutdowns were as short as possible – are formidable politicians and none more so than Kristi Noem, the Governor of South Dakota. She says the most important lesson she’s learned about how best to cope with a pandemic is, “More freedom rather than more government is the answer.” You can watch a recent speech she made about how she responded to the crisis here. Among the highlights: “I didn’t even define what an essential business was because I didn’t think I had the authority to tell you your business isn’t essential.” And this, on modelling: “While modelling certainly has a place, models have two shortcomings today. No model can predict the future, especially when those models are based on incomplete information… [and] no model can replace human freedom as the best path for responding to our life’s risks, including in response to this virus. That is why central planning of the economy has failed us every single time the government has tried it.”
If Kristi is the Republican nominee in 2024, I’ll be tempted to campaign for her.
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Good morning ??
Hello – Write to YOUR OWN and EVERY MP and say ” I will NEVER VOTER CONSERVATIVE (LABOUR, …) AGAIN
Better than doing nothing
I thought that might sound hyperbolic (and thus easy to dismiss), so I pointed that out and said that I wouldn’t vote Conservative whilst the current cabinet remained in place or my MP (the chief whip) remained as candidate for our seat.
I will never vote for these dead parties. That is not hyperbole.
Is this hyperbole? ‘The Conservative and Labour Parties are terrorist groups, and should be wound up as banned organisations.’ Debatable, I think.
I didn’t say it was hyperbole, I said it sounded like it. I’m sure MPs get people telling them they’ll never vote for them again all the time (often from people who don’t vote for them anyway). If you want to gain traction with them it’s generally best to make them think there’s a chance at redemption and, if after a series of communications it’s clear that has failed, to make it clear that it is them you have a problem with. If they can dismiss you as a crank, rather than as a representative of their electorate, it’s much easier for them convince themselves that your view doesn’t matter – and in the end we’re trying to change their views, not simply let off steam at them.
I wrote to my MP to say that if she supports lockdown by voting for it, or abstaining, on Wednesday then I will organise a local campaign to starve her party of local funding, and of local promotion and publicity. This will involve disinvestment in, and boycott of the products of, her personal business interests; of all of her local party funders; of all businesses which provide her a platform for publicity/promotion; of of all local media outlets that promote her and her government lockdown policies (by writing to and boycotting the products of that outlet’s advertisers). I shall copy this to her Party Chairman.
In other words, I will make sure that my MP is accountable for her decision on Wednesday; and if she votes (or abstains) for this ludicrous and totally disproportionate lockdown, one that Dr Mike Yeadon has described as without scientific basis and part of a government fraud, one that destroys so many livelihoods, resulting in mental illness and suicide, then she and her local party must suffer the consequences.
Too, with today’s news, I will now leaflet for The Reform Party in my area, in support of the Great Barrington Declaration.
Burning at the stake in the market place is much less effort and far more effective.
Wow kudos to you sir!
I just wrote to mine, using info from today’s Update, to point out the arrogance and egregious mendacity of Saturday’s broadcast and asking him to stand up for Parliamentary democracy and our Constitutional rights.
I don’t hold much hope but I do keep trying to make him think and stop just swallowing the official bollox.
Even if we don’t sink into complete totalitarianism, it’s four years till the election, so stamping your foot and saying you’ll never vote Tory again isn’t really going to move many mountains.
I’ve pasted a link to a template. You just fill in a few contact details and it will send an anti-lockdown letter to your MP.
I’m asking everyone to do that. Let’s at least flood their inboxes, show that we won;t take tis lying down!
Here’s the link again. Please keep bumping it:
https://saveourrights.uk/lockdown-resistance/
”… till the next election…”
Now THERE’s optimism! I’m beginning to think there will never be another GE as we’d recognise it.
Thanks for the link.
The bit before it was the main point:
Even if we don’t sink into complete totalitarianism,
Elections are a thing of the past.
Just did that, although I didn’t vote for him in the first place (Tobias Ellwood). Edited Toby’s draft above to suit. Better than just screaming F**** off with your f***** lockdown, I thought.
Ellwood comes across as throughly unpleasant who cares little for his constituents get him recalled as a member of parliament
He’s a much bigger fish than merely a thoroughly unpleasant and callous individual.
Watch this:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-30th-september-2020
One who should be sent to the Tower when this shit show ends.
Trouble is, I’ve never voted Conservative or Labour.
I voted for the SDP and will again I joined them in April
Third again. I need to try harder.
No, no: just wait a bit longer and you can join our chorus – “Je suis No. 6”.
Behold, Panscepticon, a mirror of the comments from Lockdown Sceptics.
Known issues:
I have a backlog of features I want to add, such as an index of posts by user, a list of all links ever posted, etc. Please advise if you have any particular requirements.
Please also let me know if you are uncomfortable with what I have done. It’s not really any different to what the search engines do, but I may well be overlooking something obvious. As a programmer, I tend to be more concerned about what I can do, and less concerned about whether I should be doing it.
It’s great. An index of posts by user by day would be good. I tend to periodically search for my name to see what developments there have been on threads I have commented on – I use CTRL+F but on a full day’s comments it is a pain to get the whole page to load. Your site is already a step forward as it seems to preload everything. Maybe you should contact TY and see if he would like to provide a link above the line and announce it.
FYI, there’s no particular requirement for the pages to be arranged by day. My web scraper creates its own database of all comments across time, so we can slice-and-dice them however it suits us. Multiple views on the same data is no problem at all.
FYI, if you save any of the daily pages from Panscepticon and then open the saved .htm file, you will see all of the images from the posts.
The images are only suppressed when the page is viewed directly from the web server.
Wow, what a brilliant resource!
All of these people belong in jail. Boris, Hancock, SAGE, all of them. This is getting hard to pass as criminal incompetence. It’s bordering on genocide through lockdown.
I think that a break in the armour could do it. For example, if Dolan’s case for a judicial review is successful that could be one. We actually need something soon because the data arguments, while strong, show that they have too much power to own the narrative. They can cherry pick the data, they can embellish their models with all sorts of doom-laden parameters, and people suck it up.
While opposition has grown in recent months, its kind of plateauing. Those is positions of influence continue to keep their concerns to themselves, if they have any, and simply follow the herd. How can that be pierced?
There was an anti-lockdown protest in my town yesterday, it was awfully attended and there were as many police as protestors. Fines handed out and it was pouring down on them to boot.
I sat around a breakfast table yesterday with two doctors and a theatre nurse. They hadn’t a sceptical thought to share. They kind of recognised that we haven’t really been following the rules in terms of family mixing and such, but also said that it was right that all businesses had closed locally to save the NHS again.
I had to bite my tongue. The whole situation is dire.
Yes the court case could be the soonest way out
If not the morons will eventually get fed up of wearing masks, no pubs, no family, no holiday, no theatres. no cinemas, no cafes, Piers Morgan, no sport, no gyms, no restaurants, smug MP’s, no Christmas, no money, no medical care, no food, huge debts, no humour, Marcus Rashford, no weddings, no job, no birthdays, no friends, no home. and endless lectures by the pig dictator
Have I left anything out?
no hope
It seems today that Mr Farage has become the first person of national influence to nail his colours to the mast with his anti-lockdown party. It may not be much, but it’s a glimmer of hope because up until now all we’ve had is non-approved journalists and a few celebrities and backbench MPs talking about it and being soundly ignored.
Have you listened to the mainstream news today? (I’ve decided not to listen to it to protect my mental health!)
How are they reporting it, and where is it on the headline list?
I can’t listen to it anymore I deliberately harmed myself recently out of frustration by the actions of this government and their cohorts in the press I have the stitches in my head to prove it I put my head through a window my gp kindly helped me, We have to restore our way of life
Wow. Buy yourself a punchball. More effective and definitely safer.
I hope you’re all healed up now.
It is our duty to protect our liberties from Rogue governments
It’s the fact that Johnson probably doesn’t do his OWN research that is so disturbing. What a dereliction of duty THAT is.
Or, if he does do it, then he truly is uncaring, self-serving, arrogant and ignorant. Not his own man, but in thrall to those he’s happy to use, self-serving and arrogant as they are themselves.
Johnson only cares about his own popularity
what it actually is is gross negligence manslaughter, an indictable criminal offence with a maximum sentence of life in prison – it just needs to be reported to the police and they’ll take it from there…
Agree! It’s time to fight back. https://thewhiterose.uk/
Seems like everyone is capable of making a prediction that turns out to be correct. Everyone except anyone in charge, that is. I predicted since April-June that there will be a second lockdown around October-November, and here we are.
I’ve been telling everybody who will listen that the lockdown in April sets a pretty low bar in terms of a precedent for lockdowns, because if it’s not this then we are going to lockdown in every bad flu year and for any new virus, which as we all know here, happens on a fairly regular basis. It’s clear that people still have no perspective or idea of the proportionality of these measures and we are fast approaching an ad infinitum state of lockdowns for some years to come. People though are still pretending to follow ‘the science’ which is designed purely and simply to scare them into submission.
For what? To stop Boris Johnson cancelling xmas and being unpopular in the polls, because this has long ceased to be about health.
I’m afraid we are entering a new medieval age, where policy is based on superstition and fear, enforceable only by the suppression of human freedom
Polls show that about 3 quarters of people are in favour of lockdowns. Now, that sounds completely implausible to me, but even so, these polls have the effect of discouraging dissent. How is someone privately thinking these lockdowns are too much going to speak up if they believe almost everyone around them is against them? Surely, they must be right, right? These are all techniques that governments and their media lackeys have perfected over the past decade.
Totally agree. I’m becoming more and more convinced that the polls have been manipulated for that very reason, I find them more and more unbelievable. It’s definitely contributing to why people are scared to discuss it in a sensible way.There’s also a point about political identity and tribalism I think, there’s some classic divide and rule tactics being used here …
I try and discuss this with nearly everyone I get to speak to on a one to one basis, quite a broad range, a lot of them have been complete strangers, on the phone to customer services, estate agents, colleagues (I work for Citizens Advice (leftie/liberal?), family/friends, and I’d say there’s probably a majority that are sceptical and are quite perceptive to the cost-benefit argument in particular, all the rest are blatantly coming from a political stand-point, mentioning right wingers, Cummings, Brexiteers, Trump … but there’s definitely more than that number who are sceptical, or at least open to a different standpoint. Others have mentioned that surveys can be manipulated and I think this has happened here, the questions are probably not very nuanced and if they were you would get a much broader and nuanced response. Covid doesn’t allow nuance it seems …
I posted a link to one in the DT last night. The questions were unashamedly biased and it was easy to see what the desired result would be. Needless to say I didn’t complete it!
Opinion polls have always been bullshit they should be banned in America they put Joe Biden ahead I think Trump will be re-elected president and no one sane supports lockdowns unless Retarded
Since the red graph of predictions ‘that are not predictions’ failed to deliver millions of deaths by mid-October, it’s been clear that continued lockdown measures are simply establishing all the apparatus of tyranny. Whether that is their goal or not, it is the likely outcome if nothing is done. Most people simply cannot see this and still think this is all temporary to ‘control the virus’.
In history, it is extremely rare that tyrannical law is ever relinquished without one hell of a fight …
The same insane predictions are being used to scare Americans into further lockdowns.
My own local paper published a scare-mongering article quoting the Colorado Department of Health. They stated the following:
“The state could see 7,600 total deaths due to the virus by the end of the year if the current trajectory is not changed, according to the report. As of Thursday, the state had seen 2,105 deaths due to COVID-19, and 2,278 deaths among cases.
If Coloradans decrease social-distancing by 10% due to holiday gatherings, deaths could rise to 10,000. A 20% decrease in social distancing would result in 13,400 deaths, according to the report.”
So, in eight months, we saw 2100 deaths, but in the next month and a half, 8000 more will die? How is that even possible?
This is all based on a model by the Colorado University system. If you decrease the percentage of social distancing, the program will spit out the number of how many more will die.
Our freedoms are now subject to some bogus mathematical equation.
They’re not decreasing anything, just postponing. It’s bullshit, and these numbers are likely a crock of shit too.
They are obviously a crock. How people can’t see that is what I don’t understand.
‘Postponing’ is another myth. The CV19 epidemic is over. However, and sadly, people are going to die every day, some of respiratory illnesses. 1,600+ people die every day in the UK of all causes. We really need to get our heads round this and help others to do so.
Who would you rather believe on this – Mike Yeadon, the GBD scientists etc or SAGE and their counterparts in other countries? MW
Yet British people always smugly belittle Americans at least they fight for themselves people in Britain would rather watch shit like eastenders BGT etc
I cut myself shaving yesterday, and twice today. If this current trajectory is not changed, I will die from loss of blood sometime in mid-2021.
Billboard: The Strokes Rock ‘The New Abnormal’ on ‘Saturday Night Live’.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/9476611/the-strokes-new-abnormal-songs-saturday-night-live/
Great album.
All LS members should read the full ‘The Covid Physician‘ piece Toby has summarised above.
https://dailysceptic.org/truth-in-the-timeline-of-covid/
If true, and I have no doubt it is; it’s both utterly astonishing and disgraceful.
Absolutely shocking. The criminal negligence the doctor describes should frighten any sane person. It’s a particularly helpful piece if you have family members who are NHS workers who toe the
party line. It may get them to question what management are forcing on them. READ and SHARE please.
Agreed….we should all read this. It’s a fantastic piece. Shocking is an understatement. Not surprising for us here, but the detail and writing quality is very compelling.
It is mind blowing. Very little we didn’t know and no tin hat hyperbole, but all the more mind blowing for it.
One thing stands out. If the purpose of lockdowns is to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed, surely the first line of defence must be to treat people who are moderately ill with respiratory infections of all kinds in their own homes. And yet GPs are apparently not allowed to do this. Why not?
He also confirms my belief that attitudes changed in the early summer after the BLM and then the XR protests, particularly on the centre left. Keir Starmer was, rightly, calling for an exit strategy from the lockdown. Then he ‘took the knee’ and, suddenly, he wasn’t. Why?
Working in agriculture, I have never been a fan of Nigel Farage but he has a unique ability to get under the skin of the Tories and change their course. His intervention in this instance is a welcome relief.
Yes. I had an actual physical sense of relief when I heard Mr Farage was entering the fight. I know he gets a lot of stick – controlled opposition, etc – but at least it’s SOMETHING.
Yes I’m backing him solely for his irritant factor. Hopefully he’ll split the majority and the MPs will stop voting like sheep.
Its tremendous writing.
Well worth the read. Staggering is an understatement
The pig dictator has lied so much he has gone mad
Cecil, do you think Cameron shagged Boris?
Think? I know, I was there and I have it recorded on my phone
so THAT is the truth of the pig’s head story!!
I knew Isabel Oakeshott wasn’t making it up
Write to YOUR OWN and EVERY MP and say ” I will NEVER VOTER CONSERVATIVE (LABOUR, …) AGAIN
Better than doing nothing
Tell them you’re voting for Reform UK and can’t wait to make Nigel Farage PM. it’s come down to this but mark my words i truly believe that the people will vote him in. If all the people pissed off about Brexit stand up these lying motherfuckers will be out on their compromised ear.
Biker, I’m a lefty liberal. The last person to vote for anyone associated with Brexit, and when I heard Richard Tice talking to Julia Hartley-Brewer this morning, I was ready to vote for their party. Have to wait and see if they hold the line, but it looks like I’ve gone from Guardian reader to a libertarian in less than a year. Probably my American forebears kicking in.
It’s a well known phenomena that fraudsters favour round figures
When going through the books fraud investigators are trained to look at the round figures first ( trust me I know)
Think about it, if x +y -h etc are chucked into a computer model how likely is it that the results would be 500,000 or 250,000 or 4,000?
It would appear that pigs are not very good at smelling out rats
Or is it that rats can’t spot a pig when they see it?
Have just written to my MP Catherine West under the heading ‘Ruinous policies must end – I wanted to say something particularly about the moral position of Labour’:
Dear Catherine,
I have little hope that writing to you will make any difference but every citizen has a duty to make their views known in this catastrophic situation. One of the problems of the present situation is that the government is not even making the data available on which they are acting, and much of it seems quite as dodgy as that made up to make us go to war with Iraq all those years ago. I am tearing my hair out at the endlessly holier-than-thou approach of Labour which takes these worst case scenarios at face value without even apparently asking to see them, thus for ever up-staging the government. I do not think this alright – it will always be possible for Labour to pretend it would get a better result, but frankly (political opportunism aside) it is hard to see any merit in this behaviour. Meanwhile, the economy is cynically burnt to the ground in a way from which it can never possibly regenerate, leaving our children and grandchildren in endless debt, and for which your party in opposition bears the heaviest responsibility.
I link to today’s bulletin from LockdownSceptics:
https://dailysceptic.org/author/toby-young/
Best wishes,
John Stone
It still amazes me how people can still wonder “But what do they have to gain from this pandemic if they’re making it up?” So gullible…
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/gilead-unexpectedly-cashes-in-with-nearly-900-million-in-sales-of-covid-19-drug-2020-10-29
The only light in the gloom is the knowledge that these idiots are doing this to themselves. The MPs have the power to save the future of the UK, but if they don’t (“Ooh, we mustn’t stress the NHS like that nice Mr. Ferguson says will happen. Best to ruin the whole country instead”), then they go down too. I feel sorry for their kids, but the MPs will know what they did to them. I hope it haunts them forever.
The one thing we can be sure of is that in a year’s time lots of pathetic MPs will be saying “don’t blame us, we had to believe the scientists.” Just as Robin Cook saw through the Weapons of Mass Destruction lies, any MP with a brain and integrity should be able to see through this crap. The reason that they don’t see it is that they choose not to see it.
The reason why they don’t see it is that they have very little brain and absolutely no integrity.
The reason they don’t see it is because they’re all compromised so can’t see it out of self preservation. Half them are kiddie fuckers the other half are fraudsters and philanderers. You don’t imagine for a second that the evil bastards that rule over us no problem whatsoever would let just anyone run the “government”? I’m afraid when you’re a kiddie fucker you don’t give two shits about normal people.Sounds mad i know but i 100% believe it. Just ask those that covered for Sir Jimmy Savile what they know.
Hit the Nail on head again Biker , see the comments made by former Torie chief whip Tim Fortescue on the BBC in 1995 ( Still up on you tube ) about how they use Kiddie fiddling and financial fraud etc as leverage to get MP’s to vote the right way.
And the same goes for all the major parties i have no doubt .
They do not give a F#cking shit about the people of this country.
Blackmail is the glue that holds “The Establishment” together.
David Brin nailed it:
Political Blackmail: The Hidden Danger to Public Servants
Blackmail it certainly is.
And if that doesn’t work, if deemed necessary, you’ll be found dead in the woods or zipped up in a holdall.
Why has Steve Baker suddenly jumped ship? He didn’t look happy about it. Any ideas?
I can’t decide whether mine really is so thick.
I actually think he might be!
Of course SAGE have gone for as high a figure – 4000 – as they think they can get away with. This way when we’re nowhere near that in a few weeks time and reality looks nothing like their ‘projections’ they’ll be able to say that it’s only because of the total lockdown.
The Met Office have a section whose function is to look back on all their projections to see how they compared to reality.
Isn’t there someone keeping track of all of SAGEs ludicrous predictions that turn out to be, predictably, wrong?
Sage needs disbanding Johnson should be removed https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org
I track my past predictions to look for consistency – but I don’t make prononcements beyond six weeks with any confidence. If you predict the weather will look the same tomorrow as today, in the UK you’ll be right more than half of the time. Pretty good odds actually. A week is reasonable, a month is too far. Epidemics are a little more short-term predictable, but two months is a very long time.
If weather forecasters can be accurate more than 2.5 to 3 days ahead, they’ve kept their secret very well !
If you predict the weather will look the same tomorrow as today, in the UK you’ll be right more than half of the time.
You don’t live where I do!
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/
Carl H on the case basically exposing that the age in the models allows them to bench mark 1st November projections – so we are at 200 deaths rather than the 1,000 the Cambridge model was represented as saying.
So take that, with the knowledge that Boris is locking down on such data. The MPs cannot stand up and say lockdown is justified based on those numbers. Because they are not correct, simple as that.
So that means any pro Lockdown MP is basing their decision on no relevant data, but fear. They are not rational in their decision making and need to be removed.
They may say, but cases are rising still – but they would need to show their own modelling at that point to show that this will overwhelm the NHS. For the official modelling is not accurate.
Again, they haven’t a leg to stand on. They need to be removed.
What do you think?
It doesn’t matter any more what they predict. They’ve just imposed lockdown using the same trick they used before (claiming that there would be huge numbers of deaths by mid-October while at the same time saying ‘this is not a prediction’) and nobody has questioned it. The mass of ordinary people don’t even remember it and probably didn’t take any notice of it first time round. They can say whatever they want and people will either ignore it or believe it.
I have a model
The public will go with what the media say
The media will go with what the politicians tell them
The politicians will follow the public opinion
The public opinion will follow the media
Repeat ad infinitum.
My model will produce the same result every time you run it ( unlike the one used by Fergusonovic)
Can a wolf cry pig?
The lockdown is going to be incredibly popular because for most people there is no downside. If you are retired, or a public sector worker, or an office worker who doesn’t like their job anyway, there is no downside to lockdown + free money. The idea of democracy as elections is insufficient: democracy is elections plus individual freedoms, and we are learning how a quickly country that forgets the individual freedoms blows up.
No downside? With no cultural life of any sort, no social life, no shopping, no travel, no family life outside your own prison walls?
My. God, not only are they zombies, but they must have been born zombies.
Well, they will complain bitterly at how crap the country has become and demand to know who did this.
Eat out to stay stout?
That was a bad shout.
https://medium.com/matter/the-shut-in-economy-ec3ec1294816
This explains the allure of staying at home. Takeaways, online shopping, Netflix, social media, why go out and mix in the dirty outside world? The new normal. A pandemic helps of course.
I’m not a public sector worker, but I have worked at home (in a job I don’t particularly like) since March except for an odd day. My OH has too. But we have never understood those who can’t see the downside. Since day one I said if this goes on too long there will be nothing to go outside for. The devastating downsides for every single one of us ultimately, were all too apparent from me all the way through this apocalypse.
There is most definitely a downside for everyone: my business involves face-to-face and yet I am now doing it through a computer screen, which is far from satisfactory; I cannot participate in any of the activities that make life joyful; I cannot see my family and friends; going anywhere at all is stressful with the current measures in place. no matter where you reside in the human life-cycle, you are affected. At the moment it seems to be polarised between the future of children and the life expectancy of the elderly – everybody alive has a right to live their life.
To be clear, I completely agree with you, the downsides are massive. I agree with Trump, “don’t let it dominate your life.” I just think that most people prefer to be dominated by it.
This whole farce is unsustainable Johnson is a utter disgrace and needs to be removed ASAP
The only remaining rights are to work, shop and receive minimal education.
No more unproductive activity like going to museums, singing, visiting friends and family, going to a concert or to the football.
Welcome to digital thralldom.
It is true that the only reason we can possibly enact these measures is because of the internet. If the internet went down for any serious length of time we’d all have to get back to normal, there wouldn’t be a choice.
The government also wouldn’t be able to control the public as well. It is the internet that spreads their latest diktats. If we didn’t have phones and computers to receive them, we wouldn’t even know there was anything happening. When newspapers were printed on paper, most people didn’t even read them, maybe just bored commuters.
You wrote ‘I cannot see my family and friends’. That ought to read ‘I may not see my friends, according to state diktat’. ‘Cannot’ and ‘may not’ are two very different things and for the sake of all our freedoms, we need to remember that. I will say no more, but ‘he who has ears to hear, let him hear….’
I am semi-retired and I hate all this lockdown nonsense intensely. There are plenty of ‘downsides’ for me:
And there are the pestilential plastic screens, anti-social distancing (I HATE THAT), disgusting face-nappies and a thousand and one other absurdities.
So while you are totally correct about public sector jobsworths, other people find all this a darned nuisance and quite unacceptable
I am a semi retired public sector worker and I hate it! We do have lives outside work! And not all public sector workers are Whitehall officials. Some of us are out in the community, working with business people; in my case rural businesses which are heavily dependent on tourism. I also live in a rural community and can see the effects on my neighbours and their children. We don’t live in bubbles, even if the government would like us to!
I’m working from home, I work for a national charity, not the public sector, but I am one of the lucky ones I guess, like the public sector office workers you describe.
This though isn’t good for me, I’ve been in my home for 8 months, and 2 months ago I was forced to leave my first lockdown flat because my landlord had financial difficulties caused by covid.
Even though I am one of the lucky ones in terms of keeping my job, my mental and physical health has suffered,
Moreover though I am so angry that the already vulnerable, the ones who were already disadvantaged economically will take the greatest hit, and I care about the truth, democracy and the future of human and civil rights.
Public sector or office workers cannot be homogenised into one group and I fear this culture war kind of argument will put off large swathes of people who think for themselves but who don’t like being disrespected in such a way.
The government, the opposition and scientists want to make this an argument between the virtuous and the uncaring, let’s not do something similar here, let’s not ‘other’ potential seceptics for simply being in the wrong job.
I’ve worked from home for years, so in some ways my life hasn’t changed. However, I live as a lodger and I’m becoming increasingly concerned that my landlord is in financial trouble. Tenants keep leaving, some because they can’t afford rent. Others stay, but can’t pay. I worry that I’ll end up having to move because the landlord loses the house.
However, my potential problems are nothing compared to the devastation around us all. The increasing numbers of suicides are especially disheartening.
Starmer’s support for lockdown (the Tory rebellion is futile, Labour will never let lockdown fail) shows conclusively that Labour is not the party for workers any more. No worker could possibly support lockdown.
Labour have never been the party of the worker or they’d advocate Austrian Economics instead of communism. We are their cattle, we are their food, we are giant babies unable to support ourselves. Hard times for those of us who value individualism and freedom for ourselves over conformists and statists.
Spot on.
I have never voted for Labor or conservative I completely despise them thank God I support the SDP
Wouldn’t Georgist economics be far better for the working class?
Labour is, together with Unliddems and The Tories, a profoundly anti worker party. They despise us.
My email to my MP said that you can’t put a pin between Con and Lab now and both parties are irrelevant. That she wouldn’t have another opportunity to serve again.
Never was especially when the upper middle classes infiltrated the party The likes of the Webbs and more recently the Islington set has had always deep contempt for the working class and their values. That’s the reason why they supported mass immigration and EU freedom of movement – it was to dilute the working class and replace them with people who would be more sympathetic to their ideas.
Yesterday I overheard a working class bloke tell his friend that while he voted Labour until the late 2000s he stopped voting for them as never liked Corbyn and doesn’t like and trust Starmer. He also added that Labour never “got” the working class with their aspirations for a better life and their desire to earn an honest living and not be reliant on handouts.
But Labour have deliberately abstained thus far – no doubt so they can later claim not to have been responsible for the damage – so if there were a sizeable enough Tory rebellion then (a) Labour would have to know it was going to happen in order to get off their hands and vote, (b) it would require there to be no similar division in the Labour ranks and (c) it would undermine their strategy of deniability. That’s not to underplay the size of the rebellion needed, but it’s not quite as simple as it seems.
Labour failed to oppose any of these illegal acts – they are complicit
I agree, but that’s not how they’ll spin it.
And we have to remind the populace that Labour was complicit and even wanted something much, much worse.
Ad infinitum.
What happened to the Human Rights Act? Freedom of movement, mobility rights, or the right to travel is a human rights concept encompassing the right of individuals to travel from place to place within the territory of a country,[1] and to leave the country and return to it. The right includes not only visiting places, but changing the place where the individual resides or works.[1][2]
Such a right is provided in the constitutions of numerous states, and in documents reflecting norms of international law. For example, Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights asserts that:
“Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.”
“Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.”[3]
Well, parliament does have a Human Rights Committee, and as you can see from this:
https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/93/human-rights-joint-committee/news/119398/committee-publishes-proposed-amendment-to-new-government-coronavirus-lockdown-measures/
it is striving night and day to safeguard our essential rights.
Ha. Hs. Ha bloody ha.
As of now, access available.
Members of that committee. Lots from the House of Lords.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt5801/jtselect/jtrights/265/26502.htm
Worked for me.
I was merely raising the point – there are plenty of countries that take little notice of international human rights, and I have lived in some of them, but for some strange reason I actually thought our country was first world not third world and cherished our human rights. What is the point of creating so called international standards, if they can be merely deleted with no legal consequence. So the Nuremberg code regarding forced medication / coercion will be equally dismissed.
The Nuremberg code will stand but will actually become less relevant.
I shared your ‘strange reason’ too, until I started investigating all this.
You will need proof of vaccination to travel, to attend school etc or enter certain premises.
This is the Chinese way of tracking and it’s coming down the line. CONSENT is the issue we all need to be addressing.
Human Rights Act ? only for some, Britain was a main contributor to this declaration when it was first designed (which Europe had long before the UK), only in 1998 was it bought into UK Law. There is a get out of jail clause for all the right’s enshrined in it.
The Law is a sop to the public just like the FOI act.
Unless you have the 2nd Amendment, or an equivalent, all the high-sounding treaties, conventions, and acts in the world are just pieces of paper.
For Heaven’s sake, mankind, you’ve been told this for centuries, and had it repeated in detail over the last few decades. If you dismissed it as ‘far-right ranting’, or ‘Americans are crazy’, who is to blame ?
Perhaps you’ve seen how American police now use military weapons and equipment. I don’t know how someone with the best weapon available in gun stores can stand up against a drone attack.
Research is your friend.
Are the restrictions to travel actual law? or just “advice”?
The page is called “guidance” but I’m not sure what that means in actual fact.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#travel
‘Human rights’ only ever seemed to be about selective individuals in the UK rather than general concepts like freedom or democracy.
Please do. I’ll join anything that fights fir our deliverance.
Not that long ago ie 2 weeks, the percentage of people wanting a lockdown was actually falling and had come down from 85% to 65%, going the right way. This was debated by Julia Hartly Brewer on Talkradio as another survey showed that 80% of people were in favour of a lockdown. If you ask an individual a leading question such as ‘if up to 100,000 people are going to die of Cv19 – do you think lockdown is a good idea’ – it may indeed emit a yes response. Therefore numbers have been manipulated to be just that. Due to the out of date and apocalyptic figures shown to the public now the percentage supporting lockdown has actually risen again? This I find strange as we all know about the flawed PCR tests and the lack of excess mortality – have people really changed their minds and now believe all this over exaggerated nonsense?
This virus seems to have a brilliant PR agent and has scripted itself as a scary horror movie. Many people buy a lottery ticket each week even thought the odds against winning are huge and so they are scared the virus might get them even though the odds against that happening are huge. But by having this random ability to severely affect a very small proportion of people it scares people witless. Julia HB has just re-iterated that only 315 people under 60 have died of Covid but to many people this is scary – it could be me.
The other factor is this deification of the NHS and this ludicrous idea that we must protect the NHS as if it is a fragile and frail gran-parent who could collapse at any moment. If the NHS needs protection then it is not for for purpose and needs radical reformation. But to many people it is a vital part of the Covid cult.
Most people believe what they are told by newspapers and TV. The message that is repeated daily is the one that gets registered in the mind and believed, and that message is pro lockdown e.g. Global Health Security. Few people read Spiked, The Spectator, or watch Sky News Austalia.. even fewer read Lockdown Sceptics or watch Computing Forever, Paul Joseph Watson or Ivor Cummings or Anna Brees etc etc. Most of the population has never heard of The Great Reset despite it being mentioned in every single UK msm news source once or more than once. These days most people do not buy a paper or subscibe to one or pay much attention to the news on TV. The BBC is probably still the most widely disseminated news in the UK i.e. what people have on as they get ready for work or school or listen to in the car.
Unfortunately the tories have a massive majory. 344 of the 650 seats are tory. Boris could elect to fuck every maiden in the land like in Braveheart and it could be voted through given the calibre of fuckwits in those seats.
Labour can abstain or support the lockdown and still push it through. Remember Starmer, like Boris is very much on team WEF Davos due to his Rockerfeller links. Abstination is his preference and ironically only a few Corbynites will help us and vote against.
Our best case scenario is that 150 or more tories and other MP’s vote against the measures. If Boris is forced to rely on labour support to get his Davos lockdown through it starts the slow process for a prime minister reset i.e. vote of no confidence. Though like I said, every PM contender e.g. Starmer, Hunt, Gove, Javid, Rishi.. is also on Team Davos. Realistically, we are not going to win this battle. Need to look to other battles.
If transmission is high in high schools than how come my son is at a school with 1500 other children and he’s been back since august and not one single child has had this so called virus? Me thinks they’re talking shite. Me thinks they are lying on purpose and we are in fact living in a country under occupation, Boris must be compromised with photos and these scientists are on the payroll of the fascist new world order that rules over us no problem whatsoever.
I never thought fascism – the real kind, not the faux cry from SJWs – would come so quickly, and like this. But it has.
How many have been tested for it? They haven’t had COVID19 the disease, which is not the same thing as having the infection. Asymptomatic infections are still infections. Whether they can pass that on to others of course, is not known as they are under the radar!
So how many senior teachers have contracted the disease??
Another curse for Boris and all his henchmen, from The jackdaw of Rheims :
He curs’d him at board, he curs’d him in bed,
From the sole of his foot to the crown of his head!
He curs’d him in sleeping, that every night
He should dream of the devil, and wake in a fright;
He curs’d him in eating, he curs’d him in drinking,
He curs’d him in coughing, in sneezing, in winking;
He curs’d him in sitting, in standing, in lying;
He curs’d him in walking, in riding, in flying;
He curs’d him in living, he curs’d him in dying!
Never was heard such a terrible curse!
If course, dreaming of the devil wouldn’t scare these monsters, it would
just be a form of nocturnal narcissism. But the coughing curse would be really good.
From time to time the Jackdaw of Rheims has crossed my mind over the course of this manufactured disaster. The aim of the reset is to create conditions where fabulous wealth is flaunted while the vast majority are slaves, rather like the power of the church, but without the need for the confessional.
Seems like the fags that run Twitter take the wrong position on everything. Can’t wait to see their lying censoring ugly fucking faces when Trump wins a landslide so big it can reach the moon
Toby writes that the arrival of Nigel Farage’s Reform Party is “a very positive development”. I’m afraid it’s far from it. It will just confirm in the minds of the complacent majority of the middle classes – the opinion formers,l and influencers whose minds we must change if we are to win out – that lockdown sceptism is merely a front for the unreconstructed radical Right.
As a left leaning, Guardian reading, liberal myself I can attest to the fact that my credulous friends and family see the sceptism of Trump, Farage and their ilk as a very good reason to doubt our cause and instead support the ‘science’ of technocrats such as Whitty, Vallance and the members of Sage.
We should have wished that Farage had taken an opposing view and been a lockdown zealot if we really wanted to move the dial towards us.
Farage is such an obvious intelligence asset and I find Mr. Youngs apparent ignorance of such facts unconvincing.
Not to be trusted.
Oh dear.
I agree.He leads a groundswell of opposition into a dead end and stops a genuine one from forming.
But things are so desperate now anyone with a national profile who opposes lockdown should help.
This issue is too important to be so damn tribal and narrow-minded about. Either he’s right about this or he isn’t. Clearly he is right. Do you only support causes that the “right” people get behind or do you evaluate things on their merits?
it is an indictment of out political system that so often MPs have broken away on a point of principle and than just been pushed into the political wilderness by the mainstream political system. I am afraid our political system is such a self perpetuating system that it takes people like Trump and Farage to challenge it. If I was in the USA at the moment i think I would ‘put a peg on my nose’ and vote for Trump.
I am American but live in the UK. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Trump, but I am abstaining from voting this time. No way I could vote for Biden with the national mask mandate thing.
Well said Sally.
Exactly. Independent thought is allowed….for now
I don’t think Smith was either describing his own position or advocating for what he describes, but rather just observing the depressing reality.
I agree completely, I’m on the left and have started listening to JHB and Peter Hitchens religiously on this subject, though I still disagree with them on many other things. Still though, one of the major opinion drivers for people is who they identify with (tribal, stupid, I know) and I would argue that the existing culture war has entrenched blindness to the facts around this virus
I must say that Farage wading in will entrench peoples opinions on the remain voting, more left-wing side of things and further politicises the whole affair (which should have never been politicised in the first place)
Having said that they’ve influenced policy on other things through their electoral threat, so I think in some ways it’s a negative thing, in some ways it may a positive.
Just to add to this, Farage usually goes to fill the void that the Labour Party have left – in this case the same thing has happened – he’s sticking up for working people and those that are already struggling economically. As someone who has usually been on the left of politics, I actually blame the Labour Party for not representing the people it was supposed to be founded for and I will never forgive them for that
Exactly. I’m a lifelong Democrat/Labour voter but I would vote for the Reform Party if they focus on getting us out of this mess. I will never vote for Labour or the Democrats again, which is something I never expected to say. And I’m in my 60s so this isn’t some small change for me.
I think you are exactly correct there (though I come from the opposite perspective, politically). It is the abandonment of the British working classes (who were always mostly socially conservative and patriotic, and are despised as such by modern left elites) for globalist and politically correct identity lobby issues that has left a gaping hole where that representation was.
Meanwhile the”Conservative” Party has moved to the left, taking its hinterland for granted. thereby leaving traditionalist conservatives unrepresented as well. As Peter Hitchens recently put it, both parties basically represent Polly Toynbee types, and others are simply not represented.
That combination of trends has created space for new parties in a system that really does not encourage them. Sooner or later one will break through and replace either of the big two, as Labour replaced the Liberals in the early C20th.
He was a zealot at the outset. Unlike Julia Hartley-Brewer and Mike Graham I find his ‘conversion’ less than convincing. Like you I wish he’d have stayed away, although he has a number of long term fans who will at least start questioning the narrative due to his intervention. I ultimately think we will need people from all perspectives to get on board to beat SAGE, the MSM and the Tory/Labour/SNP coalition on this.
Maybe, but Farage wins in the end, doesn’t he? For all their complaining, what do the Guardian influence? It’s nearly broke because nobody cares about it.
As a left leaning Guardian reading liberal can i suggest you get your hand out my pocket and your head out your arse
Correct and it will be a repeat of their pathological hate of the orange man and his disregard for masks.
I don’t know why you’re getting down voted, as it does raise a good point. Farage is a very Marmite figure. However, it also highlights one of the reasons we’re in this mess and that’s groupthink like this. It’s inconceivable to a lot of people, that someone they oppose, might actually sometimes have a good point.
It’s been clear to me from early on, that the anti lockdown movement, is a broad church.
My biggest issue with Nigel is he’s like the grand old Duke Of York – marches his supporters up to the top of the hill then marches them down again.
It never occurs to him to fortify the hill. We’d have been in a lot better position if UKIP or the Brexit Party had stayed the course and built up from their support into a decent opposition.
There’s always been a feeling that he’s ‘controlled oppositon’ – a safety valve that lets off some steam but keeps the machinery of the established parties going.
It does seem more than coincidental that he’s starting this just as other challenger parties start to get going. (Though the lockdown does give a legitimate reason).
So I do have misgivings with Nigel jumping in – especially as he was pro-lockdown and clapping for the NHS in the early days of this fiasco.
BUT, that said he’s probably the only figure that could scare the Tories into doing the right thing, so this is a good move – but treat with some caution – we don’t want a ‘pop-up party’ that will be collapsed when Nigel gets fed up of it, or which rolls over at the last minute.
The German Corona Auschuss (peoples corona inquiry) have dismissed the political system as corrupt..they take evidence only from politician whistleblowers. Up to now just one green who has provided evidence that at the very first corona emergency meeting of the Bundestag the usual suspect pandemic mongerers were present.. Drosten & Wieler.
Farage takes voters from the Tories. They, therefore, change course to neutralise him. That is a benefit. It would be even better if there was a similar group on the Left; industrial unions and genuine working class MPs such as Ian Lavery, arguing that lockdown protects the middle class at the expense of the working class. Instead they are virtually ignoring the huge elephant in the room and are heading happily down the rabbit hole of supporting the appalling Corbyn in arcane, internecine Labour Party battles.
Exactly so.
I agree. I’m losing count of the number of single-issue political parties this guy has set up.
This isn’t Brexit, this is something vastly, vastly more important, globally important, than that. Nigel is too compromised in the eyes of too many, as well intentioned as he may be, to be any kind of figurehead for a liberal/tarian revolution and should stand aside.
I think there are pros and cons.
Farage will attract media publicity to the fact that there are different opinions/approaches, rather than the current msm one-sided position.
On the other hand, viewed with distaste by Will’s (brainwashed) ‘opinion formers / influencers’.
I actually don’t care. Any positivity in any shape is good.
Farage has his political ambition and will do whatever he can to push that, but if his message is correct, which it seems from his vid yesterday is broadly on the money, trying to counter it with “He’s a right wing fascist” is the mark of an idiot.
Such people cannot be saved.
Edited. Too many links.
We have over 10 million new citizens in this country since 2000, many of whom lack vaccination records, probably have not been BCG vaccinated.
Since BCG vaccination may have strong antiviral properties, that may be why covid 19 ‘infection’ numbers are high within immigrant communities.
There may be an answer to this problem, in the form of voluntary BCG vaccination for those who have not already been so vaccinated.
With regard to the elderly, who have been BCG vaccinated, protection may last for up to 60 years:
‘In this trial, BCG vaccine efficacy persisted for 50 to 60 years, suggesting that a single dose of an effective BCG vaccine can have a long duration of protection.’
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15126436/
That may explain the age profile of covid 19 mortality.
Booster vaccination after infection may be the answer:
‘A less-explored but crucial question is the timing of the boost after BCG priming. Our studies have shed important light on this key question and perhaps partially help to explain the many unsuccessful attempts directed toward a prime-boost strategy for TB vaccine. Further work is needed to determine the detailed reasons/mechanisms for the inability of a pre-exposure boost with LP-ESAT-6 subunit vaccine to enhance protection compared to BCG alone. Nevertheless, they represent a significant advancement demonstrating that scheduling the subunit vaccine boost post-exposure, and therefore re-educating the T cells, may be a promising future path toward a successful TB vaccine.’
‘Early secreted antigenic target 6 kDa protein (ESAT-6) is a potent T-cell antigen expressed in pathogenic Mtb and contains an unusually high number of permissive T cell epitopes spanning the entire sequence of the molecule. ESAT-6 is an interesting antigen associated with active Mtb infection; however, the gene encoding ESAT-6 belongs to the RD-1 region, and all BCG vaccine strains distributed worldwide have deleted RD1 regions . ESAT-6 based subunit vaccines have shown tremendous potential in animal models’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6198790/
Results of the BRACE global BCG trial should be in by April 2022
‘BCG Vaccination to Protect Healthcare Workers Against COVID-19 (BRACE)’
Have you read the GPs article?!
According to the ONS 336,500 people were infected with COVID in the week to 8 October. Allowing for a 3 week lag, 1,610 people died who had a positive test within 28 days in the week to 29 October, an IFR of .47% (probably a huge overestimate).
Even using that, the ONS says 53,700 people have died with Covid on their death certificate to 16 October, that means 11.4 million have been infected, and now a further 230,000 people are going to die (from the graph), another 49 million to be infected, so 90% of the population are going to have been infected in total. Pretty soon over 100% by the time we get to the inevitable ‘third wave’. The IFR’s probably closer to .2% so over twice the population will get infected – bring in some more people from France ! oh, they’ve got the same issue !
No T-cell immunity, nobody spared, everyone can have it at least once, some two or three times.
Does anyone do a sense check on these figures ? Does anyone believe this nonsense ?
Is this why our civil liberties are being hammered, why people are condemned to die of curable cancers ? Why 420 million people in the LEDCs are being condemned to starvation?
Please tell me the government has got more than this ?
To my mind this is where Carl Heneghan and the CEBM have been so important and have really annoyed some of ‘The Science’. The CEBM have, as their name suggests, looked at things based on the evidence rather than predictions. The evidence is real and irrefutable the predictions invariably rely to some extent on supposition and with something as complex as a virus and its effect on the population invariably some of the suppositions are wrong and a small error at a crucial point in the modelling throws the model completely off course.
So to my mind the problem is that we have relied on models and predictions alone when these should always be balanced against the current evidence and previous history.
Link to a survey from the Telegraph with some open-ended questions where sane strategies should be promoted.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/29/take-survey-tell-us-think-governments-coronavirus-response/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AwJn4MXlXLmQ&fbclid=IwAR0_AfWhJ1pgLJqRwwMU0AKtKaYzUOu37m3vjNyZV8JBbS8Mi8vRjUifmZU
Britain is prepared for a second wave of Covid-19
Strongly disagree ………. Strongly agree
This is a have you stopped beating your wife yes or no? question.
There might be room for views but how do you get past a fence of these first?
They will be “marked” by computer, so your open ended comments will probably be ignored and the poll is then effectively rigged.
An IFR of between 0.15 and 0.5 is the right ballpark (lower value is influenza btw). About 1-3% of infections seek hospital and about 1/5-1/6 of admissions will die. So 30K infections gives 1K admissions a week later and 200 deaths a week after that.
As for T cell immunity – there is currently no evidence that in vitro reactivity is protective of infection or disease. I am willing to believe T cell reactivity protects against severity of disease (COVID19) since there is plenty of evidence of asymptomatic infections – even from the ONS data. But sterile immunity? No evidence. You may be surprised to learn you have T cell “immunity” to some of the ingredients of toothpaste. It’s a “known unknown” but past coronoavirus infections and some degree of cross-immunity can reasonably be expected to protect from COVID19 the disease, but perhaps not SARS-CoV2 virus infection.
The data from ONS hospitals and deaths is consistent, and some of us do try and sense check the figures. Early anti-viral treatment reduces hospitalisations by 67% – that’s the fall one would hope from 0.5 to 0.15. Deaths are reduced slightly by dexamthasone. Vaccines might give more asymptomatic infections.
So if the IFR is 0.15% as you suggest the graph suggests we should have 230,000/ .0015 = 150,000,000 infections – over twice the population !
IFR is the fatality rate not the infection rate. Seasonal flu kills about 1/737 people infected, COVID19 kills somewhere between that number and 1/180.
30,000 infections per day (from ONS cross sectional survey) means
1000 admissions a week later (3% of infections) means
200 deaths a week later (20% of admissions)
How do those numbers look based on today’s data? Pretty reasonable predictions, I think.
If the entire population were to be infected over the course of the epidemic, one would expect 66M/737 to 66M/180 or 90 – 360k deaths. The low end would be a worst-case influenza. A bad flu season has given 50k deaths. We’re about half-way to the lower figure – about 1/10 of the population have confirmed antibody seropositivity. Asymptomatic infection generates seropositive conversion. So that 1/10 is a lower bound.
yes, I know. 150,000,000 x .15% = 225,000
What’s your point? If this were influenza, and everyone had had the infection, we would have had about 100K deaths. It may kill a higher proportion, but has thus far infected fewer people. The OMS data bounds those infected per week. I didn’t suggest it was 0.15 – that’s a lower bound based on influenza. I think it closer to 0.5% (1/200) actually, with approximately 10% having been infected and seroconverted (including asymptomatics) – so 33K deaths so far.
10% x 66,000,000/200 = 33,000
So another 90% potentially to be infected (although some of those may be protected by future treatments and/or a vaccine).
That analysis above and graph makes no sense. Firstly, the decline of a Gompertz model is not linear after the peak (defined at Nmax/2), it will be log-linear exponential decline. The asymptotic behaviour towards the eventual maximum number of souls will eventually tend to linear, as all exponential functions do, but not immediately after the peak.
The point is that 0.5% is a very high IFR. you say there was no inherent immunity so everyone’s going to get it. Why didn’t they then when the pandemic was here. And if your excuse is lockdown worked then what about Sweden.
They had no lockdown and only 237 people under 60 died.
My point is get real and look at the numbers, and do a common sense check.
Can you please clarify what you are saying – you say in a previous post that “ Early anti-viral treatment reduces hospitalisations by 67% – that’s the fall one would hope from 0.5 to 0.15.” Firstly you say that the deaths are reduced by 2/3, then in the next sentence that this is just a hope, and now in this email that you didn’t suggest 0.15% at all, that it was a lower bound based on influenza.
Can we please have a bit of consistency as you have managed to say three different and contradictory things – which do you stand by?
If it’s the first, then COVID kills about the same as flu per infected person, if the second 1/3 as many, and if the third anywhere between these two or even more.
You then say as if contradicting me that the IFR is a fatality rate, but that is exactly how i have used it.
You also say that there are a further 90% to be infected – well there may be 90% who haven’t been infected but we have to ask why not if there was no inherent immunity (T-cell or otherwise), not here and not in Sweden. Of course it could be that we are all infected but the IFR is much lower, although there is no evidence for that. So it is simple logical conclusion that there is some form of existing immunity.
Also, i think you are confused about what an exponential function is – it grows very quickly (or declines very quickly alternatively) and it’s asymptote is vertical in the case of increasing, not horizontal as I think you are implying.
A Gompertz curve (in cumulative terms) will level out as you say. it is interesting that when Levitt first started talking about Gompertz it was seen by the establishment as un-scientific but now is pretty much mainstream.
You really should read and sign the Great Barrington declaration which I believe he supported – it agrees with us on the curve levelling out, and clearly most of the 90% will not get it (i think you are out by a bit and it’s more like 75-80%) apart from the few who get hit by what is ridiculously referred to as the second wave- we all know so many of the deaths are people who are false positives but that’s a whole new conversation – maybe for tomorrow …..
Treatments have shown reductions of 2/3 in hospital admissions. The trials are too small to show what that means for mortality and IFR, but the numbers going to hospital is greatly reduced – hence the hope. A bit like seeing antibodies [produced in a small vaccine trial and hoping the population will be predicted. They may… and they may not.
Based on the ONS survey data, which I consider the most robust, the IFR looks nearer to 0.5 than 0.15. That means to make COVID19 more “like influenza”, some reduction in IFR will be needed. Antivirals are pretty poor for influenza, and there are no approved antibodies (some in development). But two antibodies (Lilly and Regeneron) have shown impressive responses in early treatment of COVID in outpatient settings. they both showed no response in hospitalized patients though as antivirals are too late. Vaccines may also provide a simliar improvement in outcome (lower IFR) by priming people to fight off infection. That’s why the elderly were protected from 2009 pandemic flu, but not the young.
The presence of cross reactive T cells is demonstrated. Their relevance to protection from infection is not. There is a hypothesis, but it seems too many people are too quick to accept in vitro evidence as proof of immunity. That is not how science works. I am perfectly happy to believe that this cross reactivty confers some protection from the disease COVID19. Buy asymptomatic infections seroconvert – so I think it reasonable that antibody positivity is a marker of infection levels. Relaxation of constrains and increasing transmission confirms that. There is no relationship between rate of decline of transmission and rate of second increase. Immunity would predict an inverse relationship.
I was fitting non-linear mixed effects Gompertz functions to the global ECDC epidemic data before Levitt gave his first tweet. They are perfectly reasonable descriptions of epidemic phenomena, but the shapes can be interpreted as either changes in contacts OR less likelihood of transmitting infections. What matters is when you relax one of those constraints. Immunity predicts a continued decline (people are immune after all). Policy has changed so much they are hard to tune to data. As are the epidemiological models, btw. I much prefer local piecewise exponential polynomial models (which approximate both SEIR and Gompertz for the period of interest (about six weeks). prediction beyond that period is pretty futile, but people “want an answer”. I am happy with “You can’t know with any precision, but hospitals will be full by mid-December”, personally.
The GB is founded on belief rather than hypothesis. I have not heard Prof Gupta (who I used to know) make a single quantitative prediction of the consequences of proposed actions. “Protect the vulnerable” is a fine strategy, but we fail to do that annually for influenza.
On deaths, I have looked at all-cause mortality since Week 15 in April. Sadly it is starting to rise again above the previous 10 year maximum.
We don’t care about infections that cause no disease. In fact that is a good thing for the community.
Skeptics, remember that DJ Austin, OBE (for services to the Corona) is the linkman between GSK and Imperial. One of those mathematicians trying to do medicine who has gotten us into this mess.
Actually we do, because the 1-3% hospital admissions includes asymptomatic infections as well. Asymptomatic does not mean can’t pass the infection on. In fact most viral diseases are most transmissible prior to symptoms. I’ve been djaustin on the internet for thirty years. I see no need to hide behind anonymity, “Commander”.
Does asymptomatic mean they can pass the virus on?
How do know if someone is asymptomatic with SARS-CoV-2? RT-PCR?
What CT are you using if so? Which test kit?
What are the false positive rates for said test kit?
Have you accounted for poor swab and lab processes risking contamination?
etc.
Ever had chickenpox? You will have caught it from someone who may have had very few symptoms. Of course they will show more signs later, but peak infectiousness is prior to symptoms.
All those points are reasonable, but ultimately this is a respiratory virus. It transmits in the same way as others. It’s a bit more spreadable than influenza, but much less than measles and less than chickenpox. It would be surprising if the phenotype of transmission is so different. All those asymptomatic students in halls are catching it from somewhere – and only about 20% have symptoms so are avoided.
I’m satisified that the ONS data is robust, the analysis and testing methods factor in uncertainty and have shown consistent trends. I doubt the large increase since september has been down to better swabbing, because hospital admissions have followed that rise, and total patients on ventilation have followed admissions.
Ok, this wont cover all cases of asymptomatics but if PCR is picking up dead virus, to what extent are people infectious? If we are using non sensical CTs, where does that leave us?
It seems to be that this is not being held up to the light and, as such, we are operating in a data poor environment. I try and rationalise it and, for me, it simply doesn’t put me anywhere close to a position where I could begin a rational analysis.
“They must be catching is from somewhere” is not good enough.
You may be seeing trends holding up between hospitalisations and deaths to CV19, however, given what I’ve said, we need to put that in context. Is this any different to a normal year for hospitalisations? Because the PCR will simply mark people as Covid anyway. Same with deaths and excess deaths are either within normal range or slightly above. You could be analysing normal trends and calling it Covid.
I continually come back to the PCR. If we acknowledge its shortcomings where do go from there to analyse effectively?
Yes it is, the symptoms people are admitted with are quite distinct from normal respiratory diseases like influenza and bacterial pneumonia. COVID19 (the disease) was described well-before the virus was isolated based on symptomatology. People go to hospital with clinical symptoms, and I don’t think that behaviour will change during the course of the epidemic unless virulence changes appreciably. I completely accept PCR tests have their limits, but all other things being constant, even against a background of those limitations, trends will be robust. Community Pillar 2 testing does not fall into that category. ONS does.
How on earth can we know anything about hospitalizations over the last six months?
Deplorably, the NHS has “paused the collection and publication of some of our official statistics.” This includes “data on ‘Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled.’ ” They state:
“Due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to support the response, we paused the collection and publication of some of our official statistics.
Initially this applied to the statistics listed in Annex A, for data due to be submitted between 1 April and 30 June. This was subsequently extended to apply to data due to be submitted between 1 July and 30 September.”
Note that they haven’t simply stopped publishing it – they have stopped “collecting” it.
What has happened to honour, the difference between doing what is right and wrong, and telling the truth?
When they pause counting admissions – then even I will be worried and reaching for the conspiracy handbook! Input rate is what matters – hospital stay is relatively easy to guess (about 5-7 days). But admissions is the pointy end link to the community.
How can not collecting data increase hospital capacity?
You certainly need a particular sort of mind to make this stuff up!
The same applies to flu though. 75% of flu is asymptomatic. Are you taking that into account as well? I can never tell with the flu IFR how it’s calculated. It seems to be from reported cases rather than via PCR, which is how the 0.1% arises (as far as I can tell…it’s very hard to work out…I’ve done a lot of googling and digging round the CDC website but it just reports IFR 0.1 without saying how it got there).
It seems to me they are not massively dissimilar in the proportion of people infected, proportion of asymptomatic and in mortality rate. The big difference is flu kills children and young people while COVID is primarily dangerous to those at the end of life.
Yes, the IFR counts asymptomatic infections. Actually flu tends not to kill children in the UK, it does present a large morbidity burden in terms of hospital admissions though (higher rate than the elderly, surprisingly).
So there are some people who admitted for something and have a concomitant corona infection. What an earth-shattering observation. This could only come as news to a mathematician with limited knowledge of medicine, who has to sit down and work it all out from first principles.
You know very well why people in our industry who don’t support the mainstream narrative have to remain anonymous. For all you know I am just down the corridor from you!
How disgraceful that it has come to this in a discipline that only works when controversies are aired and worked through in good faith.
If you know where I worked, you’ll know that isn’t physically possible
Ivor Cummings calls them out and says that Whitty and Vallance should be in jail, which of course, means that fat Bozo should be in the Tower, along with Hancock.
https://sms.cam.ac.uk/media/3316985
On a purely chartist analysis, deaths in Spain appear to have leveled out at the sub 200 mark over the last week and UK and France have made a breakout to the downside (lower high + lower low) in the last few days. This is before the UK LD has even started, but if the trend continues it will of course be because the government ‘acted in a decisive and timely manner’.
I’ll be campaigning for Noem as well!
Twitter: Pure evil. Totally predictable. Utterly depressing. MiniTrue bastards.
Truth In The Timeline Of Covid by Covid Physician
in full is a timeline blow by blow account of the the NHS doctor’s experiences.
Its long but necessarily so.
Every single sentence is necessary to depict the state of the NHS during this so called pandemic. It also tells how NHS workforce have been SILENCED by mafioso style blackmail.
Here is the final sentence..
The NHS feels like it has been weaponised by the state, and used paradoxically to damage our health. Isn’t that a hell of a timeline?
If anyone is still in any doubt about the depth of the criminal facist take-over of the UK and still believes that ‘it’s government incompetence to blame‘ then read Truth In The Timeline Of Covid.
At 67 I now know that I can expect little or nothing from NHS during the next panic (or the continuation of this one). Making plans accordingly. Private if funds available (depending on Rishi), bottle of Laphroaigh and the chilly waters of the Swale if not.
Coming from a NHS family (my father and one daughter) the final destruction of this once unique and terrific service marks the death nail of the country I loved. Its dead and I mourn for it.
When was it so terrific?
The correct phrase is ‘death knell’, but I rather like ‘death nail’. Hammer in into Wancock’s coffin. And keep a sharpened stake handy.
Everything is relative Annie with the greatest respect..it was indeed terrific perhaps you are too young to remember.
Perhaps you are a supporter of the German model well the NHS was easily better at one time. Ever had a baby in Germany?
I have some perspective having spent 1/2 a life time here (Germany) 1/2 a lifetime there (UK) and some time living in the USA with three children.
One child was diagnosed with Juvenile Rheumatoid Polyarthritis at age 3 and treated in all three countries. Yes, unfortunately from this perspective I have been in a position to judge, have you?
Not directed at you, but to the genpop.
The NHS is either the “envy of the world” or “in crisis”. I’ve no idea how people hold both of these thoughts simultaneously, but they do. The mental fission required could probably power a fourth industrial revolution.
yes, I hear all that when I visit home..
NHS is, in my view, usually presented as the ‘envy of the world’ by the left-leaning media, academics etc because it is about the only institution created by the Labour Party that hasn’t yet collapsed under its own weight.
Great post.
also to ensure you optimise your vitamin D3 levels. Always take with Vitamin K2 and Magnesium
Excellent piece by the Covid Physician.
It left me even more bewildered than previously, and inevitably even more suspicious. So many questions, and no answers. A striking sentence:
It feels intellectually embarrassing to be anything other than Swedish.
I think it’s one of the best and most damning pieces about the current situation that I’ve read so far and there’s been plenty of good stuff – mostly ignored by the majority and politicians. I like that the writer has no truck with the ‘second wave’ fiction and debunks it thoroughly. S/he doesn’t hold out much hope of lockdowns ending if things continue as they are. The writer elegantly spells out what is so horribly wrong without theorising what’s behind it all. There’s actually no need to: others are free to do that.
A legal equivalent would be Lord Sumsions’s masterly speech in Cambridge which similarly dissected the destruction of just about all our civil liberties and the Parliamentary process. Nobody could accuse him of any tinfoil hattery but if he’s scared and he clearly is, there is reason for us all to be and to keep fighting.
Some of our educated friends seem to be waking up a bit now but both these articles ought to give the most brainwashed person leave to doubt the insanely increasing panic and lies but to appreciate the real danger we all face, which has never been about any virus. We will be passing them on.
p.s. I set no store by the Tory ‘rebels’. It’s up to us – courage mes braves! MW
Johnners has certainly simulated the Collapse of Stout Party. Poor chap is bamboozled by graphs, not adequately elucidated in Homer.
Fortunately, he is looking like Death warmed up, so there is hope.
Pity we don’t have a 25th Amendment.
A Tory rebellion? These MPs couldn’t rebel the skin off a rice pudding!
They are pathetic. Whilst I liked what Swayne says, I want more than words from them. I want them to use every trick in the book to undermine this government’s Reset collaboration.
Agreed. Be surprised if more than 10 vote against. We have been completely abandoned by our politicians and our media.
To be fair some of the papers like the Mail and Express have allowed sceptical columnists their say, although the general editorial tone of the newspapers has been pro-hysteria.
Unfair on Bligh in Round-Up. He rescued those cast adrift by the mutineers by a brilliant feat of navigation in an open boat. His grave decorated with breadfruit is in the churchyard at the Garden Museum next to Lambeth Palace, worth a visit.
https://gardenmuseum.org.uk/
If thou doth not sacrifice thine firstborn’s future, the elders will surely perish, yay, 4000 of them upon the passing upon one day, the druids hath spoken!
We hath consulted the wisdom of the druids, whom hath carefully studied the pigeon’s entrails. And behold, the druids hath spoken to thee thusly, as shown to your discerning eye by these 2 graphs.
With the druids’ third eye of prophecy, the entrails hath revealed that, while your suckling child may cry out for comfort, thou should not leave thy hut to forage or hunt.
The gods shall delivery unto thee sufficient berries to last the winter. And if thine child doth pass, this shall be seen as a sacrifice worthy of the gods of springtime deliverance. For it is only by preserving the elders, even at the expense of the youngers, that the dire maladies of this winter shall be stayed.
For it has been spoken thusly by the pigeon entrails, the winds of death blow wild across our now barren land, a land stilled of labour and toil, of merriment and rejoicing. And tho this wind is unseen and unheard, thou should listen to the words of our druids, for it is only by hearing and believing thine druids that thou shall be delivered into a new dawn.
For if it doth save one life from this terrible wind, t’will be seen by the gods as course to be rewarded by a winter solstice celebration! Yet, alas, the druids hath foreseen a winter solstice of reduced size. Yet, thankful we shall be to celebrate, while remaining socially distanced and wearing a covering of leaves upon thine face.
Behold, the graphs of future winter devastation.
Best kill all the cattle too on precautionary principle.
Love it.
When you look at how the ‘4000 deaths a day’ prediction was arrived at, how can anyone reasonably suggest that the government is unknowingly being pessimistic? They MUST know what they’re doing.
I think this may be a useful formulation:-
The destruction that will caused by the policy is guaranteed while any mitigation of the impact of Covid is purely speculative. This is not a rational way to act.
Sorry
The destruction that will be caused by the policy is guaranteed while any mitigation of the impact of Covid is purely speculative. This is not a rational way to act.
“This is not a rational way to act.”
Unless your aim is to impoverish everyone so that they all become dependent upon the state.
If dopey Johnson doesn’t start to listen then He needs to go
Yes, that’ll do it, and a meeting of like minded souls will ensure he does.
How old are you?
We are not even in lockdown and ministers are already talking about extending it,but they are just incompetent.
This is a coup and the sooner everyone realises it the better
That isn’t going to happen by Wednesday. History dictates it will happen later rather than sooner. The UK is already damaged beyond repair…
The coup has already happened.They are consolidating their power
I agree the coup is underway. I’m saying there will not be enough plebs and MP’s in opposition by Wednesday. We have lost Wednesday. Need to recognise that now but fight for it anyway.
Yes, all we can do is make sure our MPs know that we know. It won’t stop them this time, but it might make them that little bit afraid of what might be waiting for them in the future.
David Icke for more than thirty years has written that all our governments are working towards this so called New World Order which means radical depopulation, Artificial Intelligence, enforced vaccinations, military dictatorships and ultimately slavery. I know people call him a nutter, when his simple message is hope and defiance. Anyway, i think the reality today is more far fetched than anything Icke was talking about.
I hear you. But what’s with the lizard stuff? And that’s coming from an Ll-Rex.
Shape- shfting Annunaki actually.
If Icke made a credible hypothesis incredible by mixing it with other very foolish things he did not do the world any favours.
Talked about in the Bible as it goes. though that part never makes the sermons on a Sunday for some reason.
According to Numbers 13:33, they later inhabited Canaan at the time of the Israelite conquest of Canaan.
Well.. Icke didn’t predict The Great Reset. He looked instead at 5G. As for lizards.. it is entirely possible that alien life is interacting with us.. that we might even be a simulation created by our ancestors or alien life. Some 40 years ago we had Space invaders. A simple 2d game. Now we have games that appear 3d like Rust or GTA or Afterlife.. complex worlds and hundreds, thousands of multiple characters playing together around the world. Even if our 12 billion year old universe is real, our earth is 4 billion years old. Some planets were formed millions of years or even a few billion years before us. Imagine what our computer games will be like in 200 years.. or a thousand.. or ten thousand.. keep going.. if our future selves or an intelligent alien race more intelligent than us with a history of developing and creating technology thousands or millions of years beyond ours.. if they wrote us into existence – would you be able to tell you were ‘not real’? Would a group of Boris type aliens be round a table discussing the ethics of the simulated world and creatures they had created? Each sim experiencing ups, downs, loves and losses, trauma, illness, inequality, war…? They could even simulate an afterlife.
Icke did however talk about Prince andrew and Jimmy Savile before most others.. though whomever is behind the Aanirfan website may have fed some of these revelations.
Icke is not the oracle. He’s also a shrewd businessman. But he’s right about a lot of stuff.
https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/
Icke used to perform 10 hour shows in front of vast arena`s across the world, one by one, inc the UK – he is now censored everywhere. If he was just a crank “they” should have just let him carry on burying himself talking about 9 foot reptilians etc..as for aliens, it is far fetched to think that the human race is anything other than a vast rat lab esp now
You misunderstand how this sort of thing works. Ridicule is the greatest protection anyone can have if you are accusing people of being satanic sacrificers or child abusers.
I have found 95% of Mr Icke’s work to be at least based on fact, and most of that is completely factual.
I tell you what if someone scripted me they would be utterly bored and wanting there money back.
David covers lots of things.
And he’s been talking about UN/Davos/Bilderberg/WEF agendas for decades.
Sorry that is a lazy smart-arsed reply. Icke and the lizards. He was mentally ill back then, some 30 years ago, after taking strong hallucinogenics in the Amazon. Also he was talking about what he thinks is a inter dimensional phenomenon. Could be true. Who knows. Apart from that. Everything else he talks about is mostly based on facts. He has been right for years.
Just look around at where we are now. It’s just like he said it would be.
I didn’t know that. Thank you for updating me. I guess I have read a lot that he still believes that. Maybe I should have been sceptical..
Always!!!!
I am aware of much of what he’s said, and that’s why I said ‘I hear you’ in my comment to Nick. I am grateful to you two-six for addressing my question re the ‘lizard stuff’.
Confession – I’ve been lazy too – still haven’t watched any of his stuff since we spoke, but Mr CGL has said he has heard that he is a very good orator. My brother has said he is too.
I am literally not counting anything out at this point – even the lizards!! My mind is completely open and I’ll watch or listen to whatever anyone has to say.
Trouble is, most won’t will they.
Don’t think the ayahuasca – or the lizards – were 30 years ago.
(What’s the definition of a weak hallucinogenic ?
).
BBC news?
Right now, it doesn’t matter whether that’s true or just weird.
I took my son to see Icke when he spoke in Leeds 20 years ago. He’d just published the stuff about the lizards and admitted that when people first aproached him with their stories, he thought they were nuts but there were just too many to ignore.
As Icke said as he opened the talk: “If what I’m saying is bollox, why do “they” go to so much trouble to prevent me from speaking?”
What matters at this moment is that he’s been right on 90% of his reporting and he’s been tracking this stuff for decades.
Maybe just keep an open mind or ignore the lizards. More things in heaven and earth etc Horatio!
I too have been reading David Icke for the last 15 years and was incredulous at at lot of what he said….but he “joins up the dots” as he puts it, and when you look at the evidence he was correct about most of it.
Also says we are spiritual beings having a physical experience- “infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion”. Let’s hope so, as I don’t want this to be reality!
David Icke believes we should not acquiesce to tyranny, fair enough, he is a maverick what is wrong with that?. He has probably got more people thinking about this stuff than anybody,if you see the amount of his erm.. followers.
A recent Facebook link to Icke saying all the right things.
https://www.facebook.com/abir.mimouni.52/videos/10221676599616697
Very clear – and not a lizard in sight!
In the section “The grim reaper is owed a few souls” Toby seems to be assuming that all of the claimed “Covid deaths” are due to Covid, rather than just an artefact of the testdemic. I don’t think it helps the sceptic cause to ever take this at face value.
Indeed. Recording a Covid death as simply a death which occurs within 28 days of a positive test has got to muddy the waters somehow. It really is astonishing that a student suicide would count as a Covid death if that same student tested positive 28 days before taking their own life. And we already know how over-sensitive the PCR test is at picking up viral fragments.
PCRs, official ‘covid deaths’. It’s all statistical smoke and mirrors based on deceit.
No rational argument can be based on them.
And that data is going back into the modelling to help project future situations
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-new-community-case-in-christchurch/BMZMUYJO3AOEQINCKMQZWUX6SY/ “After 10 days without community transmission another C-19 case in NZ. He is a person working in a isolation facility where they had 30 infected Russian fishermen isolated. They now plan as a precaution prolong the 14days quarantine with 1 day to begin with. They have strict rules how to work in such isolation camp, masked up etc and regular testing. They are puzzled how this could have happen.”
Zero covid rather difficult isn’t it Sage, independent SAGE?
Business owner uses Magna Carta to fob off police:
https://twitter.com/NicciStevens77/status/1322999695199842309
It’s really funny how its clear that police have no idea about the regulations much less about Magna Carta while the bloke simply asks them in a clear and calm manner.
They also sure look creepy with their masks with one of them constantly touching their face. Tsk….tsk…..
https://brandnewtube.com/v/pwZfKG
Ahh Magna Carter, what a fine woman she was….
Tony Hancock said she was the little peasant girl who made King John sign the pledge at Runneymede.
Well at least one good thing about going in to lockdown, people won’t have to wear those bloody masks any more.
Yes they will, in zombiemarkets.
Some will probably wear them in their homes (just to be sure)
Not if you are in California, where its compulsary even in your own home. I think you are allowed to take them off to eat/drink, but not to have sex.
We must all be encouraging businesses, restaurants, pubs etc to stay open. Mass disobedience means that the restrictions become unenforceable. We the people must stand up for the workers, their livelihoods and the future if this country.
Unfortunately with some of the stuff with which I am involved it comes down to insurance, if you open things when you are not supposed to you are liable to invalidate your public liability insurance. I do work with the local wildlife trust, they have to check with their insurer to ensure what they do and how they operate will be covered by their liability insurance.
You put your finger on it. Insurance and consequently how much you have to pay for financial credit. Our last BoE Chairman spent most of his last 2 years heading up an international body to coordinate central banks and commercial banks worldwide to include ‘threats’ to include in premiums; mainly epidemics and climate change. They all now include such clauses which means every enterprise large and small has to dance to the same tune, otherwise their insurances will stop and credit lines will dry up.
I don’t know how many readers have BtL investments , but they will notice a new clause in their building insurance ( senior landlords) which deals with covid risk. It includes the ability of insurance companies to walk away if someone, anyone, feels that your building is a source of a covid infection and takes action, like knocking it down. This is not make believe, its true, check your policy if renewed after April 2020.
4 years to the next G.E. if we ever have one again. What is Mr Farage hoping to achieve?
Are local elections coming up? Could be enough to cause a stir.
London mayoral elections postponed for next year. Should have been May of this year.
Oh well. Even a few points in the polls will do. It’s all these lot care about – themselves
I live in London and unfortunately there are enough deluded people who will still vote for that cretin in City Hall despite his efforts to bring the capital down to its knees.
Yes, locals did the trick last time. Clean sweep of all the Cons here, exhilarating! Put the wind up them and led to ditching May.
In coordination with the WHO and the CCP, the governments of the major nations of the world have developed a novel approach to the management of a viral epidemic. The strategy is:
– imprison the population, with occasional periods of relative freedom, subject to bizarre and arbitrary restrictions and mandated behaviour. There will also be a dress code.
– destroy the economy
– remove access to healthcare
– wilfully neglect the elderly and the vulnerable
– suppress all expressions of joyfulness, human interaction and access to culture and entertainment indefinitely
Since this is so clearly the right approach, anyone who disagrees must be a far-right libertarian crackpot conspiracy theorist.
If you require any detail, or have any queries, please feel free to f**k off.
Their sneaking out to forage for food is what worries me.
You forgot psychopath and extreme narcissist
Good! We will all be better off without the tiny-minded twats.
This kind of idiocy is common on the left – see Jeremy Corbyn describing the government’s Swedish-style herd immunity strategy pre-panic as “eugenics”.
It’s basically the intellectual aspect of the overall hysteria that derailed rational response in March.
Never has a throwaway comment in today’s edition, without realising, summed up the sheer problem we have to overcome:
“ My friend the famous financial journalist, who cannot be named because it would jeopardise his career”
And my letter to my MP:
Dear Felicity Buchan,
As you are no doubt aware, Lockdown II is proposed to begin imminently. Although I disagreed with Lockdown I (certainly beyond only a short amount of time), I could at least understand the thinking behind it. This time, however, I am at a complete loss as to how and why it can be justified.
The trampling of individual rights and liberty are reason enough to call the entire idea of Lockdown into question. But as this seems to be an afterthought, let’s focus on the “practical” aspects of things (it is worth noting that these are based on empirical evidence and observable data – not on non-peer reviewed and speculative models / predictions):
1. It is inconclusive at best as to whether Lockdowns have or have not had any actual effect on CoVid transmissions. There may be correlation, but causation is not proven. Indeed, it can be shown that the infection rate in the UK was already subsiding BEFORE Lockdown I was implemented (suggesting that citizens were making their own risk assessments and changing their behaviour of their own free will).
2. Suicide, depression, child and spousal abuse, cancer related deaths and countless other problems with mental, physical and emotional health have skyrocketed because of Lockdown.
3. Unemployment is shockingly high and will only get worse with Lockdown II.
4. Millions of students (particular those in lower income households) received virtually no education for multiple months and face a teacher’s union that seems openly hostile to doing their job.
5. In spite of all the CoVid scare tactics and hysteria, excess deaths are barely above average years.
6. Government borrowing is many multiple billions – and growing. It may be sound-byte friendly to say that the government is “helping out” or providing “support” but as the government does not produce anything, what it is doing is nothing more than taking from some to give to others. In this case, it is taking money from the future which means that the youth (who are at less risk from CoVid than they are from common flu) of this country are getting trashed today with the sacrifice of their education (and freedoms) as well as in the future with lower employment aspects and higher taxes.
How can this be? Why does the government listen to nobody but SAGE and Imperial College despite their models and predictions proving to be spectacularly wrong (and in the case of Imperial College, wrong for multiple decades)? Why is readily observable data being ignored? Of all the options open to government, how is it that the one being chosen is the one that restricts the liberty and freedom of the greatest number of people while simultaneously maximising the amount of deaths, physical and mental health problems and financial ruin for millions and millions of the population?
The decision to pursue Lockdown II is an act of insanity -it is a decision to deliberately cause the maximum amount of misery for the maximum amount of people in this country. I hope to read that each of you has vociferously opposed this unjustifiable act of tyranny and wilful destruction.
Yours sincerely,
Very good. Mine was a lot shorter. I just said that I had voted for him in 2019 but wouldn’t next time if he voted for Lockdown II and referred him to my earlier letters. He only has a majority of 628 and I doubt he will vote against the government but he may rattle a few cages given he is certainly in the “vulnerable” category.
Absolutely spot on.
Remember folks. It’s a Reset so Great.. so equal, so fair, so wonderous, so perfect.. that the leaders of this Save the Whales Utopia have to use the lie of a pandemic, a cold no worse than a flu.. and the misery and deaths (from cancer etc) and loss of businesses of millions of people to orchestrate it. It’s that good they can’t tell us about it. It’s that great the billionaires just have to have it for us. One of those billionaires will be the first (official) trillionaire by 2025. We are all going to love this new normal.
And even if we are bored out of our minds with no theatre, no pubs, no jobs and having to take a pitiful government handout for the rest of our lives…we will be Green!!!
If you’re over 55 you’ll probably be Soylent Green.
Amazed that the various FTSE indices are only down no more than .03%. How does that work? Hotels, restaurants, travel, “non essential” retail absolutely shot
Most of this shitstorm is already priced in, because it’s been anticipated for ages.
Plus the VIX is coiling for the presidential result. Should be interesting after that
I have a lot of friends in the outdoor industries. They’ve all bar none, been working non stop to keep up with demand. For my work ( that’s been massively reduced ) I go behind the scenes in a number of different industries. I’m hearing the can’t keep up with demand conversation a lot.
I think we’re seeing the massive expansion of gap between the haves and have nots
Sterling is being taken to the woodshed though. At this point I think only the markets can stop this insanity.
Follow the money!
Carl Heneghan was brilliant on TalkRadio just now.
It’s a shame that he’s having to balance playing politics with his evidence based position, so as not to alienate these politicians who have made dreadful decisions. Things would be so different if the government just listened to him.
It is amazing that the evidence, the reality, the lessons of history are ignored and we spook ourselves with soothsaying based on floored assumptions.
flawed.
But Heneghan and Co. have floored them, too.
Same faces + voices on the same shows.
Yes very good. But this is a turkey shoot now. The government will be going naked into the Commons Chamber with nothing to support their case for an incredibly damaging national Lockdown.
The only question is: “How many Tory MPs are very craven and how many are only mildly craven (none are brave except perhaps Swayne)?” Now they have the spectre of Farage before them – his ghoulish presence can only build rebellion. And it appears that even slow-witted Baker realises he was lied to about the stats.
Received an email from our Big Cheese last night confirming that we are to close from Thursday and hoping that the new exhibition will open as scheduled on 4 December.
We are already on knife edge and this will make our financial problems even worse. If anything this confirms for me once and for all that compulsory redundancies will be a reality. We were consulted about a proposed restructuring but I suspect that this lockdown will simply force our management to implement shock therapy to stem the tide of an even bigger deficit.
I’m still baffled as to how and why work colleagues can still be blind to the fact that lockdowns don’t work and that our jobs are seriously now on the line.
I don’t understand either. I was supposed to return to work 50% this month, it’s now likely I’ll be furloughed again.
Not a word against from colleagues. Forgetting the fact that furlough itself hurts us in the pocket, I don’t understand why they can’t seem to see that as this drags on and on, the company’s cash reserves are being depleted and we all move closer to redundancy. It’s a sickness.
Agree. We are looking at a financial hole and not helped by losing out over the Easter holidays and not being able to open a popular site over the summer.
Two of my colleagues whooping at the prospect of another lockdown last Saturday was so offensive on many levels that only a reality check in the form of redundancy might wake them up.
Indeed. It’s crazy. My company is very large with a presence worldwide and I think for some colleagues it’s unimaginable that they could ever be close to the brink. They seem unable to compute the reality, even though the company has already had to sell and lease back many, many assets, and made no secret of this.
As for people celebrating lockdown, not sure I could even type my thoughts out about people like that.
Same here. I had to walk away because I didn’t want to risk losing my job in order to stoop down to their level.
I’ve been wondering this when looking at contracts on projects that I know are under pressure. Getting outside workers in is going to be impossible with lockdowns. A lot of contracts require physical testing so how’s that going to be done?
And they are already in trouble due to the overall market.
Because the majority of the population have no idea how business works. They think all businesses are awash with cash and have no idea of the thin margins that most business operate off of with labour being the greatest expense.
You’re right. The amount of financial and business illiteracy around is staggering, even my in-laws who are experts in their field think that money grows on trees and business are always swimming in cash.
I was a debt collector for years and most small to medium businesses I visited were always virtually insolvent and mostly 1 bad month away from going bust. If a customer went bust and could not pay they were screwed.
p.s. I was a very firm but fair debt collector
Also because the interest rates for small businesses are percentages greater than those for large businesses. The margin for payments is much smaller.
It’s true. There are plenty of commentators I’ve seen claiming that businesses with debt should be allowed to collapse because they are unsustainable. Setting up or expanding a business often requires that people borrow money, much as buying or improving a house does. Would these people believe that anyone who takes out a mortgage deserves bankruptcy?
Quite. It was a very different attitude when the global financial crisis occurred. Large financial institutions that were basically insolvent from their own practices were rescued.
To be clear, lockdowns work if they are done early enough.
But they are incredibly destructive, they are an assault on basic human dignity, and with hundreds of millions of people infected around the world, it’s too late, unless your ambition is to become a hermit state like China or Vietnam.
Two problems: firstly, early enough usually means before you know there is a problem, so it might have worked to lock down in December last year, but by March the horse had definitely bolted. Secondly, it only works if everyone else does the same thing – as long as the disease is still out there it’s only a matter of time before it reaches you again, and with no built up herd immunity you’d have to lock down all over again. St Jacinda is not going to look so good if the virus is endemic, because when the rest of the world is getting back to normal, she’ll either have to downplay rising cases as not being a problem for some reason or keep locking down every time new ones turn up for years to come.
From the original NPI paper, the conclusion was that lockdowns work if they are applied early enough in a community isolated from the virus as in 1918. The spread due to travel was much slower but the news wasn’t. So you could get prepared before a critical amount of infections, which in itself was very low.
That situation is virtually impossible now. The best way to deal with a pandemic is to make sure you are actually measuring deaths from it without changing your system leading to anciliary deaths and then labelling them virus deaths.
Again, that is hard because societies adapt voluntary so the health care system will also adapt. A question for example is would the DNRs have been issued even without reacting to mandatory government advice?
I just want to give a shout out to ‘M. Pentadactyla’ who wrote yesterday’s piece on Covid and the religious impulse:
https://dailysceptic.org/covid-and-the-religious-impulse-an-essay-in-seven-parts/
It’s a brilliant, funny, clever essay.
I predicted in April that lockdown would just mean the Covid would be back again to ” have another go at those it missed the first time”, pretty much what Toby’s text says.
The inconvenient truth is that infections peaked before the 26th March lockdown. So the curve was never actually flattened and a majority of the UK population are not now susceptible to catching ‘the Covid’, let alone dying of it! What we have now is a normal increase in seasonal respiratory viruses (some of which will be CV19) and mass-testing resulting in large number of false positives especially since in hospital, people are tested repeatedly, sometimes daily.
Many of the respiratory deaths in hospital are, as usual, very elderly people who are at the end of their lives. When we are told that younger people are dying, which sounds very worrying, it turns out that it’s of heart disease and cancer etc (albeit with a dubious positive PCR test). Had they been treated in a timely fashion, this may well not have led to their deaths.
Michael Yeadon has been looking at the figures again and concludes that the CV19 epidemic is over and has been since late summer (some people think earlier than that): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZmERYH1Tk This whole thing is, as ever, based on lies. Why aren’t people listening to him? MW
Oh joy!!!!
My impending ASDA order is showing virtually nothing is available.. no apples.. bananas.. no milk.. no cereal.. no chips.. no fish.. no dish sponges..
It’s not even a proper lockdown this time. Just goes to show how many are still hooked on a diet of BBC news bulletins. Probably wanting to go the extra mile in the war effort.
Ocado and Sains have a lot of stuff, ‘not available until 17.11.20, don’t know why that is
Apart from an empty toilet roll shelf our Tesco seemed to have plenty of stock this morning.
Why do people panic buy toilet roll?!
Really don’t understand this.
Local Morrisons was normal and calm – well stocked shelves and no-one was buying bog roll.
Our local Waitrose too, the only thing in short supply was loo roll.
People still in (or regressed to) the anal stage of development ?
Hopefully this means that some people have seen sense.
Perversely this lockdown as loathsome as it is, has loads of “get out of jail” clauses which means that there is no need to panic buy.
Can’t do the washing up then !
Just written my off the cuff letter to my MP – Short and succinct! Have a good day all!
It’s funny that 70 per cent seem to be in favour of continued house arrest in Britain, because that’s exactly the percentage of people in France who are also in favour according to the radio. The teaching unions are also stirring up their members to protest about their dangerous working conditions. Their working conditions certainly are horrible, but not for the reasons the unions are saying. (I’m not a teacher, but personally, getting my head chopped off in the street would worry me more than catching a virus.) This morning at the primary school gates there was a huge crowd of kids all masked waiting to be let in one by one. Across the road a police van full of men in blue were making sur there were no bare faces. The France I’ve lived in very happily since 2003 no longer exists. Although I suppose we aren’t far from Vichy.
Oh my word! What a haunting image! Those poor little kids
Sounds terrible, going for the children, the easy targets, always happens
The chopping off of heads is supposed to worry you. Or the French in this case. Some muslims are loopy, but look more closely at the timing of these supposedly similar beheadings.To me it looks like a false flag to make people more inclined to stay in. Divide and conquer.
You beat me to it
Oh yes, I’ve read about that, Chaos. There’s a very good site called Covidemence which draws attention to the timing. But the teachers haven’t thought about that, so in their world you would think they’d be more worried about beheadings than masks, but there you go.
Censorship is reaching Stalinesque levels in France – there was one good website publishing critical viewpoints on the scamdemic (covidinfos.net), mainly written by medical professionals, academics, etc. who criticized and questioned the government’s handling of the crisis. No new content has appeared there for over a month now, not a single explanation either. Clearly they’re cracking down on any dissenting viewpoint now (and this was a site that didn’t even deal in any of the more radical stuff,merely scientists and dr’s like those behind GBD in the UK who wanted to consider alternatives to deal with this self-inflicted mess). It’s a coup, period.
TT, covidinfos is still putting up the videos from Raoult’s hospital in Marseilles and it has a very good forum with lots of contributions every day. All the articles they published had already been published elsewhere, mainly in mainstream newspapers – so I think they probably feel they’ve done their bit.There is also an excellent site covidemence.com
They’ve always been a tad loopy. Cannabis leaves illegal on t-shirts, for example.
I don’t believe those polls.
In fact, there is repeated evidence showing that what people end up doing doesn’t match what they say they think.
I don’t believe them either. That’s why I thought it was odd that the poll results in Britain and France should be the same at around 70 per cent. That 70 per cent figure is carefully calculated. If it was 52 per cent non-sceptics might begin to wonder if they should go over to the other side, if it was 93 per cent nobody would believe it, but 71 per cent is just the number to keep non-sceptics on board and make sceptics despair.
Didn’t Mr Fox commission a poll the other day which said the opposite ?
Mutterings in French govt circles about ‘doing a Wales’ and stopping supermarkets selling non-essentials and clamping down on amazon. To save the small independent retailer.
Better get ordering for anything you might need and want for Xmas I think.
Every western govt, except Trump admin ( well at least for next 24 hrs) is turning their free market ecomony into a command and control economy.
They were saying that on the radio this morning. Somebody in the French government must have been to Wales. But I know that more shops in my small town are staying open this time so we’ll see what happens. Also you might have noticed that the Mayor of Montauban is refusing to close down small shops and will pay any fines out of the city’s budget.
I have a secure job (at present). 100% salary (at present). And a pension.
Bollocks petgor. Like many generalisations.
Or are you being paid to divide us ?
The dodgy data used by Dimwhitty and Unbalanced is being questioned in the MSM. I don’t expect much will come of it until Boris hangs them out to dry when the inquest eventually takes place. Perhaps I am being optimistic in thinking it will actually take place!
Just posted this on my FB page with a copy of the letter template and the latest petition. I have very few followers but it feels like I’ve done something.
‘As Boris Johnson and his Chief Medical Liars continue their crusade to kill even more people and destroy even more businesses and ruin British society with their one track obsession with a cruel, inhumane and ineffective lockdown policy, please can I urge you to sign the following petition or at least send the following letter to your MP? This government’s intentions are NOT for the good of this nation and the longer this goes on the more I become convinced that they are of evil intent.
Dear ????,
This week you will be called upon to authorise a second lockdown across England. As your constituent, I urge you to reject this proposal on the grounds that lockdowns are ruinous to lives, livelihoods and liberty.
Lives are lost when other medical services are suspended. Lives are ruined by depression and domestic violence which accompany lockdowns. Livelihoods are destroyed and countless families impoverished with future generations left to bear the costs of this ruinous policy. Liberty is suspended as the government rules by decree. Parliament is sidelined and its constitutional role seriously diminished.
Lockdown is not only a cruel and blunt instrument for dealing with COVID-19, it is singularly ineffective. We’re told that hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. yet how much confidence should we have in epidemiological models when their forecasting record to date has been so poor?
Evidence from around the world reveals no correlation between lockdowns and coronavirus fatalities. In fact, Peru, the country with the highest fatality rate also had one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns. By contrast, Sweden, which had no lockdown, has suffered no excess deaths this year. A policy of “focused protection” for the vulnerable offers a viable alternative approach to a second lockdown and is the approach that has been used historically.
We have reached a critical moment in our country’s history. If you truly care for the health and welfare of the nation, or are concerned about the future of Parliament, our constitution and liberties, you must reject this second lockdown.
Kind regards,
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862
Thanks. I need to write to my MP but I am running out of inspiration.
Write anything you like – it is volume that counts.
Thanks used it today with few added bits. (Futile as my MP has replied to nothing so far). I added the point I heard this morning that if we had read about these measures in any other country we would condemn them as totalitarian.
Also did 1922 yesterday.
On the ground in West London this morning: it’s the zombie apocalypse. I’ve never seen so many outdoor masks, especially among the under-50s.
Yesterday I also saw a parked ambulance with no staff or patients. This was a recurring phenomenon throughout LD1.
IT’S NOT A FUCKING GAS MASK YOU CRETINS!
And they think people wore gas masks in the war! No they didn’t; they carried them round in little boxes. After the first year or so, most had probably perished. Do they honestly think they went round standing in queues and doing their allotments with gas masks on?!!
Not perished ! I remember playing with my grandmother’s, in the 60s.
The dictator and his modelling bitches tell us to expect a wave every six months and the number of deaths will double with each wave
By my calculations (Grade 1 CSE Maths seeing as you ask) the whole population of Britain will have thrown off this mortal coil by either May or June 2024
While we await our fate may we please have the pubs open so we can party
And the churches so we can pray.
I am also not much of a mathematician and so i may have missed something but;
I well over 90% of the population are immune to serious Covid disease, does this not indicate that already most people are immune to serious Covid and should this not be a major factor in deciding public health policy.
Have I missed something? is my maths flawed?
At least 20 per cent of the hospital “cases” are test pos, but in for something else.
Hi, someone posted a list yesterday or the day before of all the email addresses for the 1922 Committee but I can’t find it. Can anyone provide the list please as I want to send them all an email?
Thanks.
altsale@parliament.uk, cheryl.gillan.mp@parliament.uk, charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk, bob.blackman.mp@parliament.uk, cliftonbrowng@parliament.uk, kemi.badenoch.mp@parliament.uk, bernard.jenkin.mp@parliament.uk, john.lamont.mp@parliament.uk, pauline.latham.mp@parliament.uk, sheryll.murray.mp@parliament.uk, mark.pawsey.mp@parliament.uk, alec.shelbrooke.mp@parliament.uk, john.stevenson.mp@parliament.uk, bill.wiggin.mp@parliament.uk, william@williamwragg.org.uk
Thanks Stewart.
I’ve sent off the email.
Have just posted it here as a reply, waiting for Approval (too many links, maybe).
Thanks.
great letter
Until the government comes clean, the results of things like the ComRes poll are highly suspect, because the public is so misinformed due to government propaganda that its views cannot be taken seriously.
Also, what are we to make of the discrepancy between opinions and compliance? Or the lag between diktat and compliance? Most people did not wear masks until the end of the notice period, which tends to suggest they acted out of coercion rather than fear. What are we to make of the heavily attended last chance for a booze up, or popular last chance to go to the shops?
Clearly for whatever reason, polls are not accurate reflections of the public’s true state of mind.
Indeed. I live opposite a pub and it’s been pretty busy and rowdy the last couple of days. Clearly, these people are very afraid and cannot wait to be locked up, the polls told me so.
Polls are a measure of how many people believe that other people should be locked up. Behaviour is a measure of how many people think that they should be locked up.
For the first time I was worried yesterday. I went to the cinema, it was deserted. People really believe this crap now.
Are there even any films out that large numbers want to see? I’m willing to bet that if the new Bond film came out tomorrow, cinema only, that they’d be quite busy.
Pollsters invariably produce results to represent the wants of those who pay for them. We will very likely see this very clearly in the US tomorrow. I don’t know anybody who agrees with the business shutdown proposed by Bunter, or of any of the previous restrictions. If you poll the 100% paid Public Sector the result will be different. More in the private sector though, who are overwhelmingly against this.
SAGE do not get any figures from doing real science: which depends on verification of predictions in the real world. We now have real world results disproving SAGE’s modelling from Sweden, several of the states in America, elsewhere, which are doing much better than states that had lockdowns; and by looking at data relating to the progress of the disease in detail. Scientists can be politically motivated: this seems to be the case with SAGE. The Government should be guided by other considerations than what particular scientists say, especially when SAGE are so obviously simply scaremongering: in line with their declared objective back in March. They are doing the same thing now, plus a bit of emotional blackmail of the Government. But there is no excuse for the Government of being panicked this time; and history will judge them accordingly.
LOCKDOWNS = CHILD ABUSE
MASKS = CHILD ABUSE
YOU DON’T NEED SCIENCE OR POLITICIANS TO TELL YOU THIS!
USE YOUR HEAD!!
ASK YOUR HEART!!
DO NOT PARTICIPATE!!!
Agreed.
I agree. I find the site of masks anger-provoking and very upsetting. When I see the repulsive things on young children I find it utterly despicable. It is indeed abuse.
Hear, hear!!!
The ‘strongly advised face covering’ at our primary school diktat that began this morning has brought out 95%+ compliance. From <5% before half term.
In other news, this weekend was very busy for the local plod near me… fantastic work, just wish I had an invite! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055
Had a really bad and low day yesterday. It was exacerbated by a brief conversation with a neighbour and former work colleague as I was putting some stuff into my car.
As he walked up the street he shouted, ‘Ready for another lockdown Kev?’.
To which I replied, ‘No, I’ve never agreed with lockdowns they are cruel and inhumane and ineffective.’
Reply, ‘Well we have to do something to protect ourselves’ or words to that effect.
To which I replied, ‘The whole thing has been totally disproportionate.’
Then he just said, ‘Well I think you are wrong’ and just stormed off!
Unreal!
And there you have it both your points encourage discussion whereas his points are blanket statements that discourage discussion. The majority of our problems in society are built around the erosion of our ability to have rationale debates and an egoistic reluctance to change our point of view.
Yes. It’s very difficult to get people to engage properly on this issue. As you say it’s the same on many issues.
I’m still waiting for an average Joe, in real life, to put a reasoned argument forward for lockdowns, and explain to me why they think they are a good idea without just parroting government slogans or emotional drivel.
I find the silence and unwillingness to talk infuriating.
The most frustrating part is people see it as an attack on their character to question their position. you have to be very tactful in trying to break people free from the shackless of MSM narrative.
*shackles
Yeah, sad to say I’m not good at persuading people on issues like this. I get too frustrated.
Get the same attitude from my elder son; totally dismissive.
I made a comment on another forum that I had a sleepless night. One of my friends on that forum just rang me – starting by saying I should get some help if I was having sleepless nights…. but then goes on about COVID. He is on the vaccine trial and totally committed to that being the answer. Although he agrees the lockdown is bad he seems to think everything else we are doing is right, saying ‘I talk to lots of very knowledgeable people in medicine’ He dismissed everything I was saying and that he was basically right. Fifteen minute phone call that hardly made me feel any better. We have a huge gap to bridge, hopefully when the 4000 deaths don’t appear they may think different.
Disinherit him immediately ! You know it makes sense !
Advise him to read lockdownsceptics.org: real eye-opening for many!
Family rifts are widening. I wish it were that simple to send them a link and expect conversion. They don’t want to look at the big picture that’s the main problem.
Unfortunately I get this all the time.
Trying to engage with certain people is like trying to get blood out of a stone.
I have given up and am now letting the shit hit the fan for them to wake up. They won’t be able to escape the economic and social Armageddon that’s coming.
He blames you for the cancellation of his golf weekend on Nov 7th.
After yet another conversation with my friend yesterday to try to tell her that not shopping in the supermarket on the estate which had an “outbreak” before half term is ridiculous, there is no danger, and her reply that her brother in Wiltshire knew someone who died with/of covid 2 days after a cancer diagnosis (no details about what kind of cancer/ how bad), I realised that
1) people keep brining up events from spring to make their point, we are in a different situation now, but 2) as they have not followed numbers and arguments since spring like we have, unless they have questions now and are willing to catch up, berating them now will only make them shut off to us.
At least I think my reports on how booked PCR -but not carried out – tests automatically get recorded as + made her think.
It’s amazing how successful the Government propaganda machine has been.
(Endless adverts about how dangerous going out is. Terrifying posters on Children’s play equipment, basically saying you risk death if you use it).
Fear a most powerful motivator. Dictators break the will of a population with pressure on/pressure off. Mentally it is exhausting, people end up doing what they are told.
Some people do …
Went to the Care Campaigns page. They’d shared a DM article, which is being flagged as sensitive by Twitter
https://twitter.com/CCTVinCare
Thanks to the example letters on todays post and others from your good selves, I will be compiling one to my local MLA today. I should have done it sooner but I am getting beyond sick of this now and have to do something.
Not sure how our lockdown (in N.I) will fare once it supposedly ends in less than 2 weeks, so wondering if I should send the letter once we see what will happen after that? Either way its being sent but just a matter of when.
Keep the letters concise and contructive
I know everyone writing the comments agrees that the lockdown is unjustified and a bad idea. That’s because we, mostly, assume the Cabinet is genuinely trying to deal with the virus. But what if the whole of the Cabinet was “captured” just like Biden, Hillary, Harris, MSM. What if Hunter Biden really was honey trapped? What if Andrew really was a friend of Epstein? What if Savile really was a friend of Charles? What if Merkel really was Hitler’s daughter (surrogate Eva Braun’s sister)? What if Macron really was an integral part of the Rothchild’s empire? What if Cameron really took cash from the CCP via Samantha and his mother? What if the Gates Foundation really has managed to buy Neil Ferguson? What if Google and YouTube are cemsoring genuine medical research? What if Whitty and Valance are really fifth columnists working for GSK and Astra Zeneca. What if Soros actually funds XR and BLM? Then even if only some of the above propositions are true, then Boris, Gove and Hancock should be congratulated on doing a fine job.
what if Andrew really was a friend of Epstein?
we know he was, bad example.
We also know Savile was a friend of Charles. I think Chris was deliberately mixing things both true and untrue and unknown.
Some are pretty much true. I think the problem we have with the Cabinet is Inquiryitis: they all can see themselves in the dock being being asked “And yet despite this very clear advice from Whitty and Vallance you chose to ignore it?”
The Cabinet have been captured by a bunch of prima donna epidemiologists and Big Pharma swamp creatures.
Closer to the truth than any MSN propaganda. Tony Blair’s Institute for Global Change, The Clinton Foundation and Gates Foundation are writing Sturgeon’s covid policies.
TRUMP 2020
I read the first paragraph from the Covid Physician and it so chimed with my experience that I know the rest which I will read later will be an excellent read. My initial experience this year was seeing a lot of patients with respiratory symptoms and then succumbing to a nasty respiratory illness with very high fever and rigors . I have never had a day off work since I had chickenpox as a junior houseman. I had two days off in very early February. I had a dry cough for a week.I was actually diagnosed by a patient who asked me if I had that ” chinese bug ” . I said no as I hadn’t been travelling and anyway PHE said there were only 2 cases in the UK and they lived far from me.
Anyway back to the front line this week ; I know the number of patients with mental health problems caused by Boris the Clown’s decision to go full Lockdown 2 will be my biggest challenge.
If the patents that were seen 12 months ago were seen now they would almost certainly be diagnosed with CoViD19 as they had persistent dry cough lasting between 2 and 6 weeks with mild fever of 37.8.
However, the differential diagnoses for upper respiratory tract symptoms are now CoViD19, CoViD19, CoViD19 and probably CoViD19.
Our SOP for the urgent care centre(not meant to be seeing possible CoViD19 patients):
a) No walk in patients only referred by 111 or GP surgery. 111 and GP surgery ask the CoViD19 screening questions .
b) On arrival, patient has to wait in car until contacted by clinician, who will ask the CoViD19 screening questions.
c) the clinician either goes out to the car to assess the patient or gets the patient to come in to be assessed. No waiting in the waiting room.
d) Masks are to be worn by the patient, if the patient exempts themselves then the clinician has to do a risk assessment and either see them in the car or bring them into the UCC.
I have only just returned to the UCC having spent the summer in a GP OOH hub, run by the same organisation but patients were allowed to wait inside and were all seen face to face. Because of that I have been getting patients in, if they can’t wear a mask I don’t say anything to the contrary.
A couple of thoughts on forecasts.
There are only two types of forecasts – lucky or wrong.
There are only two types of forecasters – those who don’t know and those who don’t know that they don’t know.
AG have you got those FOI replies you got about the PCR testing and how there is no evidence that infected people are infected and that they can pass on the infection? I want to smack my MP in the face with them.
out and about at moment, will send them across this afternoon
I can’t understand that Toby’s promoting an article by the “good” Ferguson.This man is a typical turncoat and the same mantra, masks work, SD work, let CDC work, and mass testing should have begun earlier. He has spoken nonsense before and this review of a book is even worse. These people are the turncoats realizing the mistake of lockdowns and now promoting mass testing,early testing track and trace. Just one quote from below. “What could the US have done differently? Clearly, it would have been better if the White House had not interfered with CDC recommendations on social distancing. Clearly, the president had no business endorsing what proved to be an ineffectual prophylactic (hydroxychloroquine)”
Wrong Ferguson – the one Toby referenced is Niall; the baddy is Neil!
yes poor Niall is catching a lot of shit due to all this!
Good. He suffers from TDS.,
He deserves it reading this article
Niall is not the “good” one read this article.
I suppose “good” in the relative sense, compared to the pure poison of the other Ferguson. It’s a low bar…
Please. If anyone has any connections to MPs please BEG them to ensure swimming pools are not closed. They are a LIFELINE to millions of people with mental health issues and physical disabilities. No virus can transmit in chlorinated water or around chlorinated water. And the deaths caused by denial to this form of therapy will far outnumber any that could be caused by transmission around swimming pools. It would be unspeakably cruel to close swimming pools. It’s all unspeakably cruel but we MUST get swimming pools exempted from the next level of madness. Thankfully playgrounds will stay open this time around.
Talk Radio guest thinks Johnson is being coerced by Fear, not good enough, he’ll be even more fearful when the economy is trashed completely and he sees what happens then
In the very competitive Premier League of “Worst Prime Minsters Ever” he’s already edged ahead of Gordon Brown and looks set to overtake Neville Chamberlain.
Theresa May was awful but Johnson the ultimate dickhead
And he’s vaulted way ahead of Anthony Eden.
Great link
Predicting beyond six weeks is the realm of chicken entrails. However, predicting based on early trends in mid-September, that we would reach April’s admissions by year-end was a robust forecast. Sadly that message is lost now. The 4000 deaths – even the 700 today, had no credibility even three weeks ago. First rule of modelling – know the limitations of the model.
Anything over six weeks is likely to be wrong, because policy interventions will come to pass within that timeframe (Tier 1-3 for example). Nobody will care now, but I predicted in Mid-September that without intervention, we would see about 1000 admission per day mid October and up to 180 deaths per day by today. It’s not “will it be a White Christmas and Sunny Easter” – it’s do I need the heating on in a week’s time?
Do you have any confidence in the official data? Serious question. I welcome anyone’s views.
How can you actually examine this unless the data is not only half-way reliable?
And how can anyone use this data for analysis unless they are confident of the context?
Given the mess the data is in, how can we even have a serious debate based on data?
Aren’t we thus thus forced to look at the empirical evidence from other countries?
I do have confidence in the direction of the data, because regardless of the diagnosis (and COVID19 the disease isn’t that hard to spot actually – it’s nothing like flu), the criteria have been constant. There is a consistent doubling trend in admissions of people with hypoxia that leads to increased occupancy that subsequently leads to ventilations. Of course these patients test positive (Pillar 1) within 24 hours, but I am sure others will too. Robust measures are sadly all going the same direction. even in regions starting from a low level (SW, SE and London).
I have little confidence in testing, not because of false positives (trends matter here rather than precise percentages), but because the frequency of testing is not uniform (ONS/REACT excepted). I too share Henegen’s views btw about counting positive cases, and to some extent deaths in 28 days. But the trends in occupancy have been uniformly clear since September. The nonsense about 4000 deaths just obscures the perception of what we do see with some clarity. I’m pretty annoyed about it to be honest. Science is sceptical by nature, but some things have become clearer since April. Predicting six months hence is not one of them!
Yes, clearly the direction of the data should be reliable. Again, what about context though? Respiratory illnesses always increase at this time of year. How out of the ordinary is what we are seeing now, given than covid has largely displaced flu?
And how much better is the treatment now? How long is the average hospital stay? How much can current hospital capacity be expanded? Surely this all has to be fed into the mix.
I try to make judgements on the government measures, based on science as I can perceive it. But nowhere can I find bedrock. It’s just a mire – and I think a mire of propaganda and deliberate obfuscation. The 4000 deaths-a-day just brings the goverment into disrepute.
I don’t expect you to be able to answer these questions of course – I’m just trying to explain why I’m so suspicious of the whole thing. And given that the burden of proof lies with those wanting lockdown, we are all entitled to answers
I can’t comment on how easy it is to spot covid. Do you mean serious covid (i.e. a case, in the proper sense)? I hadn’t thought it was easy to recognise it without distinguishing tests. Do you know how it is recognised?
I agree with your second para.
Heard Henegan today distinguish between admissions and taking up hospital beds. Only about 20% of “Covid” admissions end up with people staying in hospital. Are you sure you aren’t confusing the two?
An issue of context again.
No doubt there are others more qualified than I who could (attempt to) explain why the majority of the populace have become so compliant and non-thinking.
My take on this is that, ever since the end of the 2nd World War, we have, as a society, enjoyed an ever improving standard of living and increase in personal wealth and that we have become far too complacent. The massive growth of the service economy has meant that we now rely on others to do not only menial tasks, but also our thinking for us. We have lost the ability to think rationally, critically and to question, replacing our innate scepticism with blind trust in others, who, because we pay or reward them, will act in our best interests at all times.
Perhaps we deserve everything we get….
Furlough and full pay are keeping people complacent, if they said they are reducing it all to 50% for instance, people would wake up, when the taxes kick in to pay for this, they’ll wake up even more.
Agreed.
Unfortunately that (the inevitable tax increases etc) are too far down the road to influence the situation we are in now.
Because critical thinking has been removed from the education system and people are not taught to think but are just indoctrinated enough to enable them to be a ‘good consumer’ and a non disruptive cog in the machine?
Well it’s a big subject area but that is all part of the picture. Did people think for themselves mire in the past? Yes and no. Millions went to their deaths in WW1 in pointless offensives with little critical thinking about Imperialism.
TV has been indoctrinating the masses since big brother started (people locked in a house), reality TV has enabled people to live their life vicariously through other people and has made ‘stars’ of complete non-entities. All of the thinking and opinions are created by these ‘influencers’. Fly on the wall documentaries 24 hrs in a&e, doctors in a helicopter, border patrol, police on the front line etc etc. Brainwashing banality.
That’s why people watch news 24 hours a day and watch the daily briefings, it’s real and it’s current, all happening in real time and it’s a pantomime, an act.
Add Radio to that.
I have never had a television. I seriously believe that is why I have retained my ability for independent thought.
It worries my mother terribly – ‘people will think you’re terribly eccentric’. After 60 years she still doesn’t understand that I don’t give a damn what people think!
But not me!
https://www.getborisout.com & https://www.sdp.org.uk
Passing this on.
HOT NEWS! – MASSIVE LEGAL EVENT – PLEASE SUPPORT – PLEASE SHARE – Please pray for Jonathan Trapman and Michael O’Bernicia. Thank you.
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1/11/20
Dear Friends
Well tomorrow should see the laying of the case before the judge who is expected to agree and get the warrants delivered to Westminster Police Station where they will be under orders to make immediate arrest of all the criminally prosecuted.
Sidebar: You’ll find you’re held for 5 seconds or so on our firewall when you click a link. You will get straight in but we have that there as both Michael O’Bernicia and myself have been attacked 24/7 by DDoS bots as someone does not want this all to be public. I wonder who?!!!!!!
This will, we are pretty certain, be accompanied by an order to place all MPs under house arrest to disable and prevent any more deaths and injury due to a second lockdown.
This will, by then, have been enough to awaken the press and TV to be there to cover the entry of Hancock, crying like a baby, into the meat wagon. This sight televised alone, will convert many unconverted and dutiful sheep. Our ’sleepers’ in the press will make this a must not miss event for the compliant media who in spite of their one second to midnight awakening will themselves be the next for such service!!
Today however and going forward we call on every one of you to go to the home page. Here you will find all the names and lists of every MP. MEP and Lords occupant, along with the most comprehensive list of all newspaper and TV email contacts. Use every bit of ammunition necessary to cause a riot of info into these pernicious actors.
Plough through them at your leisure, the more the merrier, will alert sleepy tweeters to the magnificence that is happening before them.
Peaceful revolution has never been such fun.
Also there is a link to a list of all MPS where you will find at the top their twitter handle and FB pages if they have them. I have given some suggested tweets, do your own with well thought out hashtags and we’ll need true desktop warriors on this rainy day and going forward
For those that have not seen it
We have all the FOI (Freedom of Information) we shall ever need to nail these bastards. Without exception every one came back with – There is no virus and no known existence of Covid19. Yes, I know it is unbelievable but that gives you an idea of how incredibly stupid are the people trying to control us.
It goes without saying that every lawful act of non compliance and direct action is lawful, appropriate and absolutely mandatory!!
Rushing this out so that you can make the most of it.
Be in touch very soon as we are on hottest alert!!
https://thefreedomcycle.com/
Jonathan Trapman j.trapman@zen.co.uk
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Please share – Thank you
Thanks. Cant wait to see how this unfolds
Well it’s 6.44pm and nothing has happened. I can’t say I am surprised, this man believes the 5G nonsense and Andrew Wakefield.
Brilliant work Jonathan. In my opinion we should all download the lists of MP’s email addresses and LET RIP!
We are winning, and with info like this it makes it even easier to target the criminals who are doing this to us.
Michael O’Bernicia:
“I drafted a notice on behalf of someone who is remaining anonymous”
https://twitter.com/jonkirbysthlm/status/1321799829656346625
And this:
MONDAY 2ND NOVEMBER
MPs will vote on the measures that Boris outlined on Halloween.
If you feel strongly that a second lockdown is not proportionate or appropriate and that the negative consequences eg decimation of businesses, loss of lives due to suicide, missed appointments etc are too great then we would recommend you write to your MP ASAP.
We have made a concise template that highlights
– The failures of PCR tests
– The low fatality rate and high prevalence
– That the R rate is already declining
– That the WHO does not advocate lockdowns
– That lockdowns kill
– That 6.5m people will lose their jobs
The more that do it the better so please share far and wide!
#WeDoNotConsent
Here’s the template. The letter appears in full when the address etc fields have been completed. If the link from here fails, it definitely works if you paste it into your browser:
https://saveourrights.uk/lockdown-resistance/
We all need to email at least one MP.
https://www.practicallawfuldissent.com/action
Use Common Law to resist closing of premises and compliance with restrictions
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20201102-who-chief-self-quarantining-after-contact-tests-positive-for-covid-19
Great timing
Morning folks. Another day in paradise eh?
I just had a chilling thought.
We keep hearing of people not turning up to testing, or of opening the test kits & not touching them and sending them off only for all to receive positive test results.
I know the obvious answer is that it’s plain and simple lies from the companies who are doing the testing.
But what if the swabs themselves DO actually have Covid19 already on them?
I know it sounds fantastical to think this but I just can’t shake it off with ‘no, not possible’ answer. If you had suggested any of this years atrocities against our fellow people a year ago I would have laughed in your face.
But here we are…
Anything is possible now. When they tried this in 2008 it failed, those invested in the global agenda do not intend that to happen again.
Or just some of them, and it’s like a sick National Lottery.
Wouldn’t put a stunt like that past them, it would be easy to do, as there’s not enough critical questioning in the public at the moment – but I feel its coming. The tide is turning.
Some test kits were indeed contaminated with the virus. Unlikely to cause the virus in those being tested but a great way to get some positive tests…
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-test-kits-contaminated-covid-19-a4403021.html
I also heard an anecdotal report of some practices in the Pillar 2 labs – basically if they mishandle a test and cannot complete it (because they are untrained and inexperienced rank amateurs) then they put it down as a positive – just to be on the safe side.
I do wonder if some of the geographical differences are down to the quality of the regional labs…
Some goon in a hi vis vest in a car park is bound to be a test contamination risk.
All the tests they handed out in the NW by knocking on doors, if not collected and gone to the lab, are likely to have been recorded as positive then.
As well, a home kit is not supposed to be posted between Saturday and Tuesday, as they would be lying around in unsuitable conditions and the need to be processed within a certain time. How many people ignore this and post a kit back over the weekend?
There was a case in the USA in the early days of DNA testing. The same DNA kept turning up at over 400 different crime scenes but nobody knew who it was.
Eventually the criminal mastermind was tracked down to the lab where they prepared the swabs. Poor procedures had put her DNA on all the test kits.
There is a famous case in Germany which Bodo Schiffmann likes to tell, where the police were looking for a female serial killer in NRW for 2 years. Finally it turned out the swabs had been contaminated in the factory by a female worker = killer.
Off-topic? Maybe but the future is in the balance over the US election.
Slip of the tongue or the truth?
http://82.221.129.208/bidenvotefraud.mp4
Both.
The truth, been reading about it for years.
Me too but hard getting people to even contemplate thinking about stuff like this.
The piece under “The Grim Reaper is Owed a Few Souls”presents an interesting theory – the tide could be on the turn in a few weeks.
I’ve tended not to take too much notice of case figure as I see them as being a product of testing – the more you test the more you get. But if they do have validity – it is startling what is happening in Ireland.
I knew cases were declining in Ireland but I hadn’t realised how sharp that decline has been. Looking at the seven day average the reversal is startling. See:-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/
The sharp decline coincided with the country’s latest lockdown – i.e. before the lockdown could have any effect.
When one looks at the case figures for the UK there does seem to be a possible turning of the tide in cases – except for Wales. All in line with the independent researcher’s thesis above.
That’s only if you believe in a ‘virus’. Figures can be manipulated.
Oh, they have been, since time immemorial. I’ve never believed in ‘polls’ either, the latest one stating that ‘most of the UK was/ is in favour of lockdowns’ Bullshit.
Now can Yougov go back and ask lockdown supporters in their snap poll (72% of 2,258 adults) if they still agree to second lockdown given:
Hospital admissions for non-Covid conditions:
Apr-May 2020 Average
gastrointestinal 4,642 45,901
septicaemia 10,961 31,024
prostate cancer 4,640 12,859
arthritis 6,114 12,865
lung cancer 9,261 16,270
chest pains 24,496 41,516
bowel cancer 8,185 13,488
(source: Dr Foster)
163,168,and183 is the world position of PCR tests per million in Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan. These are all countries lauded by the lockdown fanatics as shining examples of effective stopping the spread. But they are not testing much, in fact almost nothing compared to US. See below chart. Do they have more cases? They must have more cases but they are not looking for them actively. This is just another respiratory virus and as they probably had less flu this year any mortality of C-19(which is anyway about IFR 0.2%) could be hidden in general respiratory death figures. Even without resorting to explanation of previous exposure to corona like virus in these “bat” regions as an explanation for low C-19 in these countries, testing artefact is a good explanation.
Why don’t we simply stop testing! Treat the sick as per usual.
That would be the sensible route to take. However they want to prolong this until they have the means necessary to enforce the New Order.
DNA database
This useless government have spent over £9 billion of our money on inaacurate testing and a trace system that has never and will never work. We have no comparable data for a normal influenza year so it means nothing. What a pointless waste of our money. It would seem there is an agenda to pour billions into big phamaceutical companies who produce these tests while having reducing the numbers of hospital beds availabe. I think I know where the money would have been better spent.
If you look at the UK figures for +ve test results(cases) and then compare that with the increase in hospital cases for serious Covid, it indicates that over 98% of people testing +ve for SARS-Cov2 virus are immune to getting serious Covid disease. If that is the situation for the whole population it should surely have a huge bearing on public health policy, if such a high % are immune from serious Covid then it means the potential for hospital cases and deaths is nowhere near as high as the nightmare scenarios we are being given.
Possibly more in line with countries like Vietnam.
Zealots similarly claim Japan’s low numbers are because “they take it seriously” and masks. Really they aren’t obsessed with testing and are more honest about deaths. Plus possible natural cross-immunity, better diets and the BCG vax.
Nah. The Danish study is a randomised controlled test. This is a paper about tests done on the used masks.
I want to move to South Dakota
Why South Dakota?
Wow. Imagine one of our leaders having the intelligence or conviction to say something like that. Actually all I can do is imagine.
Did write to her and said well done and thanks from England.
I want to move there now, plus Sweden and Belarus. Hmm all cold countries in winter.
Please send a copy of this to our idiot PM
Very cold in winter
Me too.
Why is it assumed the Covid deaths are actual Covid deaths and not manufactured? The government and their advisors have lied before so why are people continuing to believe this nonsense.
Not this one.
Scientists relate the value of a positive test to the CT value, the number of times the sample is amplified to get a result and currently all values of CT are included, although CT values above 30 relate to a sample of someone who won’t get symptoms and is unable to pass the infection on. This is in addition to the fairly high percentage of faulty tests giving further false positives, so it is utter stupidity tho base policy on PCR tests
They are manufactured. They are passing off deaths they have caused from lockdowns as covid deaths. Anyone in hospital that tests positive for covid is counted in covid stats, even though about 80% don’t have any covid symptoms.
I believe that’s true. There is no way to prove it except anecdotally like in the previous ‘wave’.
Very good question Bella..yes why?
I haven’t got access to the data, but have heard that influenza deaths have reduced dramatically by close to the number of Covid 19 deaths. Surely that can’t be true unless C19 is taking over those who would have had flu or there is insufficient accuracy in determining by testing whethe a patient had C19 or flu, or diagnoses are being based on symptoms without testing and all flu-like symptoms are being classified as C19???
There are up to four fields on the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death where Covid-19 may be ‘mentioned’ (Ia, Ib, Ic, and II). This is why the ONS refers to deaths ‘involving’ Covid-19 rather than ‘with’ or ‘of’.
If it is mentioned in II, it is a co-morbidity, so an “Other significant condition contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition causing it.”
“The disease or condition thought to be the underlying cause should appear in the lowest completed line of part I.”
I have asked the ONS under an FOI for a breakdown of the number of deaths where Covid-19 “appears in the lowest completed line of part I.”
One further complication is that there are two codes for Covid-19 deaths. The WHO states that:
‘An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.1 COVID-19, virus identified’ is assigned to a disease diagnosis of COVID-19 confirmed by laboratory testing.
An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.2 COVID-19, virus not identified’ is assigned to a clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available.
Both U07.1 and U07.2 may be used for mortality coding as cause of death.’
Is Airfix doing the ‘modelling’? Surely the damning takeaway (these are still allowed I think) is not whether old or recent data were used, rather it’s that the models clearly cannot forecast, at all. If they spout 4000 deaths one day and under 1000 deaths the next, this means they are consistently confounded with new data. They probably have an in-built exponential algorithm that must be continually overridden as , almost on a daily basis, it spews massive overestimates. Of course, this would strongly suggest the model should be scrapped and a new one built. But you remember how loathe you were to unpick your Airfix spitfire after you’d painted it because you’d put the engine in backwards.
The Tories have become Stalanist totalitarians under Johnson and his supporters and are no longer the Conservative party I’ve voted for all my voting life. I shall never vote for them again. Although Nigel Farage is not the most likeable of people, he is a real Conservative and has upheld Conservative values in all his politics. If like minded politicians in the Tory party want to be credible they will abandon the shower of sh1t the Tories have become and join him.
https://www.primarydoctor.org/public-health
https://mobile.twitter.com/ColleenHuberNMD/status/1303079879492034561
There was a paper that Shawn Baker was referencing a few months back that people on the Carnivore diet (or even Keto and Low Carb with eating beef) had less susceptibility to respiratory disease due to certain amino acids in beef. They also get a good nutrient profile, something Ivor Cummings talks about (hence the Fat Emperor)
In short is is due to the fact that they do not have a lot of insulin flooding the body – blood sugar levels are stable / fix insulin resistance. Also that some nutrients are depleted when ingesting too much sugar/carbohydrates. In addition they consume nutrition foods.
That’s true. It’s amazing how much less food you can live on when it gets digested properly.
Oh good.
People staying on the carnivore diet aren’t fat.
Prof Heneghan: UK hospital beds usually at 95%.
Total hospital beds in UK in 2000: 240,000
Total hospital beds in UK in 2020: 165,000
It seems to me that what is being covered up here, amongst other things, is the fact that the UK has been decimating its National Health Service, even as the population grows and ages. And there is no intention at all of reversing course.
Maybe the government should change their slogan to “Protect The NHS From Us”.
In Q1 2010/11, there were 110,568 general and acute beds ‘open overnight that are under the care of consultants’ available in England. In Q1, 2020/21, there were 92,596. So, a 16 per cent fall.
The population of England in 2010 was 52,642,500 and in 2019, it was 56,287,000, a 7 per cent rise.
The entire rationale for lockdown centres on preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed. Yet this reduction in capacity has taken place by design.
The Secretaries of State during the reduction period were Andrew Lansley, Jeremy Hunt and Matt Hancock.
See: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/
Knowing what we know now about the great reset, that it has been planned for years, was reducing bed numbers all part of the plan???? For a smaller population?
You need to be a little careful here. In those intervening years there have been advances in medical technology that mean many operations which would previously have required overnight stays are now day procedures. Keyhole surgery etc. This is actually good for patients, because recovery times are quicker. It still doesn’t absolve them of responsibility for this current mess, but the situation is more complex than a simple numeric figure can show.
Great link thanks.
More information https://www.primarydoctor.org/public-health
Regarding the latest opinion polls on lockdown, just seen this from Tim Harford’s column on favourite reads:
“Rory Sutherland’s Alchemy: The Surprising Power of Ideas That Don’t Make Sense gives Rory’s idiosyncratic take on life, commerce and particularly marketing. It’s very funny and full of original ideas. My favourite page is page 43, which contains this: “The trouble with market research is that people don’t think what they feel, they don’t say what they think, and they don’t do what they say” (sometimes attributed to David Ogilvy)”
Can anyone tell me how I can access the link to the new Recovery group please? I just tried to google it and got nowhere.
Thanks
https://timeforrecovery.org/
Copied Steeve’s comment the day before
Well as B.L.M like to say silence is violence. I wouldn’t normally quote them but it is the MP’s who are oh so virtuous regards their cause.
With hundreds of thousands of new “infections” weekly, or daily, or whatever it is, surely the Holy Grail of bovine immunity cannot now be far off.
Re the Sevanta CommRes poll: so, only 15% against the new lockdown. But this is more than than the share of ‘BAME’ folk in the country, and a even a small slice of that was able to bring the country, certainly the ‘opinion formers’ to their knees, literally. We are an oppressed minority. Sceptics Lives Matter etc etc .
Often they asked double edge questions. Don’t believe the polls
On the march in South London on Saturday I thought most passers by and shop staff were supportive.
First, it wasn’t “BAME people” who brought “opinion formers to their knees”, it was mostly virtue signalling middle class whites. Second, they were able to do what they did because they were not dissenting in any meaningful way from what the establishment believes in, and wants to see happening.
Quite the contrary. BLM and XR and the like are not dissenters, they are basically mobs marching to intimidate potential dissenters into silence.
To grasp the difference that makes to how they will be treated, observe authorities “taking the knee” to BLM etc and see the media hero-worshipping them and ignoring or even suppressing information about the lies they base their cases on (such as George Floyd’s personal character and the true statistics about US police violence), and watch people making even slight criticisms (“all lives should matter”, etc) getting hounded out of jobs etc.
Then watch peaceful anti-lockdown protesters baton charged by the police with no media or political criticism, and see even reasonable and eminently qualified anti-lockdown scientists being routinely smeared as “far right” or “fringe”.
The former is mob enforcement of establishment dogmas. The latter is true dissent.
BLM are brainwashed peaceful anti-lockdown protesters aren’t
Great edition of LS. For all their sponsored doommongering SAGE have probably done similar private analysis and know in a few weeks LD II can be spun as a “success”- they’ve even admitted the R number is waning.
In Q1 2010/11, there were 110,568 general and acute beds ‘open overnight that are under the care of consultants’ available in England. In Q1, 2020/21, there were 92,596. So, a 16 per cent fall.
The population of England in 2010 was 52,642,500 and in 2019, it was 56,287,000, a 7 per cent rise.
The entire rationale for lockdown centres on preventing the NHS from being overwhelmed. Yet this reduction in capacity has taken place by design.
The Secretaries of State during the reduction period were Andrew Lansley, Jeremy Hunt and Matt Hancock.
“Where Did SAGE Get 4,000 Deaths a Day?”
Out of their fucking arses. They’re taking the piss.
I saw my parents and my sisters yesterday evening. My mother seemed sympathetic to Johnson – “but he says that he’s got no alternative.”
Well, you know my answer the that. “Well, he’s LYING. He does have an alternative. He just won’t listen to those who are not interested in lockdowns.”
The bastard just goes on the government propaganda outlet and says what he likes and people still believe him. He is given free rein to say what he likes on there and is never challenged.
Anyway, there is much more scepticism in my family on the whole. They know very well my objections to the lockdowns.
John, as I continue to harp on about (maybe because it’s been a main part of my job and training) is you need to get good data in the first place. Which means all the processes and guidance to get those figures must be characterised to minimise noise. It only takes one change like the flu not being tested for to start skewing the results.
Our national policy is being based on very noisy data and no improvement appears to have been made to reducing this noise. That’s often why the worst-case projections appear so high. You put in very noisy data and the models will spit out a very large range.
The problem is that very few people ever think about how the underlying data was collected. They just accept that “it’s been done right”
They are taking the piss. They clearly don’t care about being believed. Indeed, they must wish to be disbelieved. This is ritual humiliation, and Parliament will vote for it.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-month-long-lockdown-could-be-extended-says-michael-gove-12120518
Strike while the iron is hot Micheal eh
Any news on the plans for 30,000 vehicles on the M25?
I think this idea of gumming up the wheels has great potential. Remember flash mobs?
We need to do this. With cars & people. But more. We need to be calling the authorities out to everyone minor or even imagined crime. We need to be gumming up our councils with requests for information, for reporting potholes, you name it.
When the covid marshals are at the door (they are doing door to door here) keep them talking for an hour. Then tell them to fuck off! If possible get your other half to go out & block them in…
If I’m error let me know, or if you’ve got more please also let us know.
Arnie.
Another waste of ink (or bits and bytes) to my MP:
Dear XXX
VOTE AGAINST THE LOCKDOWN ON WEDNESDAY
A catchy headline – of course you won’t! But at least pause for thought before you go through the lobby.
Your Prime Minister will apparently tell you this afternoon:
“Models of our scientists suggest that unless we act now, we could see deaths over the winter that are twice as bad or more compared with the first wave.”
This is based on outdated data, in particular the Cambridge / PHE model; I refer to the Oxford CEBM site: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/
for more up to date figures. Even the0 Daily Telegraph, which you would expect to be a bastion of Tory support, has published this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/01/death-scenarios-used-government-justify-second-national-lockdown/
This is a seasonal virus and was always going to resurge in the Autumn. Total deaths (per the ONS website) from mid-June (when by any rational assessment the epidemic was long over) to 16 October (the latest available date) were 166,948, as against an average for that period over the previous 5 years of 166,256. This is no reason to panic – and blind panic by Government is what I see.
The current data in no way justifies a lockdown – the majority of positive test results (shown by the discredited PCR testing regime of which I have written before) occur in Universities, care homes, and hospital-acquired infections. Lockdown of daily economic activity and social life will do nothing to change this. It will, however, add to the existing daily tragedies of job losses, business closures, suicides, mental health harm, missed cancer diagnoses. Lockdowns take far more lives than they save (if indeed they save any at all).
Do our local hospitals believe that they will be overwhelmed? Or do they believe that they are about to undergo the usual winter pressure that an overstretched and under-resourced NHS sees every winter. I refer you to the flu season of 2017/18 and headlines of patients dying in hospital corridors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116 . I don’t recall that we closed the economy at the time, or mandated the wearing of masks, to stem the flow of seasonal flu.
Covid-19 is now recognised to be significantly less deadly to those under 80 than seasonal flu – and assessments of the Infection Fatality Rate continue to fall. So, why is your Government 0acting so recklessly? Or, as a physician puts it:
It is an irrational doomsday reading of the situation by our Government, which is nothing of the sort in reality. It is a wilful governmental catastrophising of a situation I have not actually encountered in my professional nor my personal reality this year. Certainly the emergent case-fatality data is not reflective of the Government’s persistent narrative of fear. I find myself asking is this melodrama, or medicine I am being asked by the Government to practise?
Yours sincerely,
[name and address]
PS – don’t let the gentle tone of this letter fool you – I am steaming with rage!
I was so incensed by the reply from my MP that I scrawled obscenities on his letter, put it back in the envelope and marked it ‘return to sender’.
Good for you!
We need to get a group of string characters together & take her to see her husband. No if’s, no bit’s.
That’s been my thought. I don’t have anyone in that situation, but that’s what’s needed, go accompanied by ‘large men’ and force your way in.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.gerardmaudrux.lequotidiendumedecin.fr%2F2020%2F10%2F25%2Fchloroquine-le-plus-grand-scandale-sanitaire-francais-du-siecle%2F&sandbox=1
For those accepting google translation of this important blog article in French about HCQ scandal in France. The government tried to stop HCQ mysteriously in Jan.There are lots of comments on Dr Madroux’s blog.
4000 deaths a day are 1500 more than the average one of 2500.
That alone means that such a figure is preposterous, in light of Covid 19 killing mostly people aged above the average life expectancy.
And, of course, almost all those people tested positive will have died with Covid rather than from it.
And, of course, only a fraction of those positive test results will have been accurate.
Good news for the over 60s on here. Yesterday, we were ‘clinically vulnerable’, but today, they’ve given us another ten years. The guidance has quietly changed to say:
aged 70 or over (regardless of medical conditions)
Good to know that ‘medical conditions’ don’t make any difference either. I’d got my self all confused by those NHS figures, you know, deaths over 80 with co-morbidities = 15000 odd, over 80 with no co-morbidities = 500 odd.
I’m such a fool.
Gosh, how many other tweaks are they going to sneak in. But at 71 it still affects me of course.
Well that should reduce the number of hospital beds they’ll allegedly be short of.
Maybe they’d added up the cost of all those letters!
Anyone seen the latest speech from Doris on the Conservative Facebook page? There’s that phrase again. Build back better. The comments are scathing.
Dear fellow slaves… Do enjoy the New World,
where our lives are destroyed by a bunch of terrorists and pseudo-scientists that just like to make spreadsheets and graphs!
Well somebody needs to keep the threat level high. The other terrorists must have got Cov-19
Latest missive to my MP.
Dear Mrs xxxxxxxx,
Here is the latest data from NHS England. It looks to me that the deaths by with or from Covid-19 are levelling off. They are not showing the stratospheric rise to 4000 per day as per the absurd predictions shown at Saturday’s press conference by The PM and his “scientific” advisers.
I hope you will vote against the latest lockdown when this comes before the House on Wednesday.
Regards,
Dr xxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
You have to be on hallucinogenic drugs to see an exponential rise in deaths after the summer.
If the virus was deadly there would have been a surge over the summer as a result of crowded beaches, eat out to help out, and all the marches and protests..
Andrew Bridgen on TalkRadio with Mike saying the first lockdown worked. It suppressed the virus.
This is the level of competency going on
Listening to Andrew Bridgen on TalkRadio.
What a coward. He is openly admitting that he will vote for lockdown because he doesn’t want the responsibility of the possible deaths that MAY result from no lockdown.
What a f**king coward. Just covering his arse.
Another a**hole who isn’t going to be affected by a lockdown advocating lockdown.
Give up your salary Bridgen during lockdown, you spineless goon!!!
180,000 deaths projected. Saying Italy was overrun in the first lockdown because of Covid.
Context mate. It wasn’t overrun in other parts of Italy. And that part of Italy has a very high death rate every year.
Excess deaths are the key indicator. https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
As I’ve said before – it’s remarkable how quoting Euromomo has gone out of fashion.
Could someone please explain the z-score. I’ve tried to understand their explanation without getting anywhere
And ‘deaths’. Everyone now knows that if Covid is ever the real cause of death, then the victim was going to die soon, anyway – probably of flu or something similar. It drives me up the wall. These people crying over ‘deaths’ are just virtue signalling. They feel no more sorrow over these ‘deaths’ than they do over the death of an amoeba. Just as they feel zero sorrow for a person about to lose their job and commit suicide, or a heart attack victim too scared to go to A&E. These people are psychopaths pretending to be ‘caring’ and virtuous.
I was about to post this. Just finished shouting at the radio.
They are cowards. Faced with a difficult choice, they don’t have the courage to make the right, difficult decision. They make the safest decision … for them. The one that minimises their personal risk.
Our MPs all need to watch the Anders Tegnell interview linked above to see what it looks like to have a bit of courage to do the right thing.
I laughed out loud when he said lockdowns don’t work because people don’t follow the rules!
… even given he’s always been one of the bluntest tools in the box.
Does that then imply that he will take responsibility for the deaths CAUSED by lockdown?
Mr Brigden is the responsible for the death as a result OF lockdown. Cancer, heart attack, stroke, suicide.
Of course they don’t count.
If he is what Tory MPs are now like there is no hope. I thought he was really moronic and uncritical.
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1323200730052939778
Mother of Hope’s comment to this tweet:
Great comment
I’m this guy…who are you?
I thought I’d get a bit more mileage out of the Hitlergruß picture. It took me ages to put masks on all those little wannabe Nazis.
Please also check out Panscepticon and let me know what you think.
I think the comparison works better if the people in the second picture are wearing Hidden Disabilities exemption lanyards.
Not quite since the GOAL today is different!
I absolutely effin love that!
Need this as a car sticker!
Stickers here.
Dunno if I’d put them on my car though.
Yes, car stickers are an excellent idea
Fantasticsorry – since dePiffle defamed the word I try to avoid using it.The pic is brilliant, Panscepticon is a great resource.
In ALL countries where house prison sentences and normal access to hospital and other health services were denied, the excess deaths are the natural consequence.
This is data for Portugal… NORMAL PNEUMONIA vs SPECIAL 2020 PNEUMONIA!
https://twitter.com/maestro_rayo/status/1323084776862081031
“A month after this sensationalist headline by the Deutsche Welle, can we call this a proper second Welle in Manaus? Or does this look more endemic than epidemic?”
This is quite important information showing now an endemic situation in one of the worst hit areas in the world, Manaus ,Brazil. They also have a high immunity. Look at the hospitalization chart and the death chart. Striking. This is now endemic and seasonal but I think in the tropics at this latitude it can become endemic all year around. Very impressive charts for those highlighting that this is now a seasonal disease, endemic always with us.
And deaths
.
The COVID-19 line is far too thick. Should it be there at all?
Great – another potential poster to put up?
This is an important resource for building a picture on the effects of lockdowns.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/performance-tracker-2020
In the conclusion, it appears to be supportive of the governments actions, but then goes on to a list of recommendations. At the top..
The suspension of services during the pandemic means that there is now greater need for support than pre-crisis, and all public services face large backlogs, particularly criminal courts and the NHS.
Some graph porn is included
When you consider the deficit accruing from March onwards coupled with the continuing under-provision of services, the consequences are immense.
Yep, it’s an enormous pile up. I presume that the graph above will now dip again, as they repeat the same mistakes.
Excellent piece from Sunetra Gupta in AIER:
https://www.aier.org/article/a-contagion-of-hatred-and-hysteria/
Yes. A really good article.
Excellent. Unfortunately, by her own admission, she isn’t comfortable in front of the camera. This is true of a lot of experts and academics, but in this age of the soundbite, it means others with less pedigree than her end up making the cut.
Farage&Tice should team up with Fox.
But even if they do so, they are not credible in that regard, as they were very much pro lockdown for months.
And all rightwing parties were and are ardent lockdowners where and when in power, and so would they
have been.
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1323123648857837568/photo/1
This chart from the US capture it perfect. Covid-19 deaths and lock down deaths.
Government slogan missed opportunity
I presume that second “Covid deaths” hump in the summer must relate to the hypothetical scenario of full re-opening in June, given that we certainly didn’t actually have a second wave then?
(Sorry, hadn’t noticed this was US data. Of course there were two peaks there: blue states in spring, red states in summer.)
I think it’s related to the differential seasonal deaths in the US related to latitude.
January 1999 NHS in crisis who knew??
Another
And another
Good finds!
These need to be made into posters as a reminder to the sheep that are still ‘asleep’…
Gosh, puts it into perspective. That headline could’ve been written in March 2020!
Just posted this image on FB with the following:
So, I guess the fear mongering is not new, just on another level in 2020. Gosh, I have such bad memories of the 1999 lockdown because of the overwhelmed NHS, oh wait…
I posted it yesterday I didn’t get one like let alone any comments yet out of curiosity I posted a picture of my cat hiding in a box loads of likes and comments make of that what you will ?
Good find. I put together one for online stories since 2013:
this is an exceptionally good piece of work, thank you
No problem.
Here’s another I found online (I didn’t make this one):
Just brilliant John
What Beeching was to the railways in 1963
Local Government Reorganisation was NHS in 1974
It’s all shit, sorry for you guys. Here’s two delightful interviews with Profs Sunetra Gutpa and Sucharit Bhakdi. Might make you smile.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDdN8LSNc3onvOyCd_UR5wg
Today:
I just went to supermarket. Jesus. A line of people waiting to go in.. because each was wiping down the handles of their trolley with the sanitiser and cloths provided. It seems one person started doing it. So everyone started doing it. I just bypassed them and barged straight in. My fave cereal was not on the shelf. I asked a male staff member aged about 60 (who was ironically ([given his response] not wearing a mask) if he had that cereal in stock. Why are you not wearing a mask he said. I said I am exempt. Now do you have that cereal please? He asked why are you exempt? I said excuse me, you are not allowed to ask such, you are not allowed to probe. By these new mad rules exempt is all I need state. He asked again. I said I am going to talk to your mamangter. He smiled in a go on then way. So I did. She was masked but thankfully acted like a manager. I explained what just happened. I know who you mean she said when I described him. I guess he’s been a twat before. I watched as she scolded him and he scurried off to the warehouse and off the shopfloor. SHe then apologised on his behalf.
As I left the store I noticed the papers all screaming about Prince William’s battle with corona. Of course. Just a couple of hundred deaths in that age group. Most with comorbidities. Of course this rich pampered unstressed man is battling. Remember William like Charles has talked about need for a Great Reset.
I walked home.. I thought what I need is a bit of nature. So I took a detour through my local park. It was all taped off and for the next few days is a test and trace centre staffed by the most rag taggle bunch of womble fuckwits you ever did see.
Prince William’s battle with corona – crap. More fear mongering for the plebs. A ‘family’ man with a famous grandma. pffftttt
Well done Chaos it sounds like you acquitted yourself well. The absolute hypocrisy of the old guy demanding you wear a mask but he doesn’t. Did you ever ascertain whether he had an exemption?
Good on you for handling that so well. An example for us all!
rag taggle bunch of womble fuckwits… nice
Bloody hell! that it’s come to this, just going …shopping…gawd!!
Some really good stuff in today’s edition.
But, I am worried about an underlying tendency to accept one aspect of the government narrative : the elision of PCR + results with ‘infections’ and ‘deaths from Covid’.
Even the thoughtful piece of work on postponed deaths from the first lockdown falls into this trap :
“But there clearly are increasing Covid hospitalisations and deaths currently happening in the UK”
No – there is increasing detection of possible SARS-CoV-2 RNA amongst hospitalisations and deaths.
We should not forget that distinction, and the fact (as pointed out by John Lee in his very first article for the Spectator) that the revision of death registration has distorted death causation beyond any sense.
Yes -these are fundamental points.
Bottom line –
It is impossible to have any kind of scientific discussion when the measurements which are the basis of that discussion have been -I will say it – fabricated.
I suggest that the very way in which these statistics have been compiled tells us all we need to know about how serious or not this thing is.
Yes. Once we start using their deliberately misleading terminology uncritically we unwittingly validate their concepts. Say no to Newspeak.
Graham Brady yesterday in the Sunday Telegraph (should this give some hope?):If we surrender our human rights cheaply, the cost will be immenseWe should take some comfort that there is a debate going on but it is astonishing how little attention is being paid to fundamental issues
He was good on Talk Radio this morning too.
David Davis worried me a bit with his talk of ‘isolating people who test positive’ – isolation camps on the way?
Wednesday’s vote.
Starmer is Davos. Boris is Davos. Boris has 343 MP’s. Starmer has 197. We will see maybe 60 tory MP’s vote against lockdown and Queef Starmer will whip his party to abstain. So the ayes will have it regardless of whether he whips for or against or abstention. Abstention is therefore his wisest safest move. Thus lockdown will be voted for on Wednesday. And it will go on well into the new year.. they might even prevent the sale of Christmas items like crackers and such as non-essentials.
We are in big trouble.
Doesn’t the very fact that we’re now in a second wave show that there’s only two ways in which lockdowns can be justified?
a) as a short-term measure to avoid overwhelming the health care system, or
b) if you’re willing to push them all the way to elimination, as was done in New Zealand?
First ripple, after initial wave.
NZ has not eliminated the virus.
Ah that explains their PrimeMinisters strange grimacing.
I expect a short Christmas breather to sedate the masses and claim some “success”.
Why do SNP MPs get a vote on lockdown in England?
They’d argue it’s a big enough issue that affects everyone. Fair enough, so it should not be a devolved issue in Scotland then… ?
Not Davos – Davros, creator of the Daleks. Look up an image of him.
But Johnson will be in serious trouble if 60 rebel.
Please!
Is the re-banning of golf based on any scientific evidence that the game is actually responsible for the transmission of coronavirus? I somehow doubt it and would be willing to wager a pound to a penny that there is not one single example of anyone catching coronavirus while out on the golf course. So why ban it? I think I know, because not to do so would be seen by the MSM as a government pandering to a reactionary elite who are perceived to play the game. Clearly the government wants to avoid such headlines.
Well I’ve been playing golf with the same 2 people every week for the last 6 months or thereabouts and we are all pretty fit and I can say the same for all of the other usual people I see playing week in and week out.
Get everyone you know at your club so sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862
We need big numbers to counter the faked opinion polls
I will try but their comfortable BMW driving life paid for by their fat pension revolves around going shopping once a week and playing golf 5 times a week. Not only are they in no danger of contracting ‘it’ they are in no danger of losing their job or house. I’ve been trying to tell them for months the state we are in but it’s water of a ducks back.
This is part of the problem we face because people don’t see that it WILL effect them because sooner or later they/their wife/husband/child/grandchild/sister/brother etc will
need some kind of medical care
lose their job/business/home;
see the Golf Club/hairdressers/favourite restaurant/cafe/hotel or pub etc.shuts for good.
Sorry; I’m not ranting at you. I just find it so unbelievably stupid that people don’t understand that this will impact on everyone.
If they think their FS pension is safe they are in cloud cuckoo land. I guarantee they won’t have any idea of the funding position of their scheme. If their employer fails and goes insolvent they will have to rely on the Pension Protection Fund. If interest rates go negative (even slightly) then gilts and corporate bonds will be worthless, combine that with an equity crash and they can kiss goodbye to their pension.
Wacking a ball around the countryside, carrying a bunch of sticks is murder. Stay home! You sound like Trump!
Agree 100%
Golf is the easiest game to follow fabricated social distancing.
Going back to playing in two balls should be the very least option
None of the lock-up rubbish makes sense. Why would golf be any different?
Kids hockey on Sundays just suspended
Wonder if grouse shooting is still allowed?
It’s permitted, advocated in fact, if the grouse is being shielded by a peasant; no change there. Grousing, however, is banned.
I don’t play golf myself, but in my area it was “allowed” again in May after everything closed down in March. I had a chat with a pair of golfers in a local park which incorporates a golf course, and they were pleased to be out again and said it’s the ideal sport to do as it’s easy to maintain distancing (assuming there’s any point in that). The club house remained closed so there wasn’t any “danger” from that. What a ridiculous, pointless thing to close it down again.
We did this in the last pandemic. Why not for C-19? Because Big Pharma bought influence among politicians and corrupt scientists. This high technology approach benefits Big Pharma stocks etc.,so they can buy even more influence in MSM
https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1323095331580518401
“The CDC abandoned case counts as a metric for tracking 2009’s H1N1 outbreak “because only a small proportion of persons with respiratory illness are actually tested & confirmed…so the [benefit of reporting] these numbers is questionable.”
This comment sums it up nicely
Contact tracing now is like trying to identify the exact location of where each rain drop landed several hours into a storm.
The best thing this government could do is simply to label every one of the normal 1,500 daily deaths as Covid related. The actual number of the annual dead won’t change one iota of course but the middle-class-wives-club can have virtuous histrionics about the incoming Great Plague and could then lobby the government – via their media journo friends – to increase the lockdown ever further; perhaps even to the extent of solitary confinement, cold showers and zoom screened floggings for each and every dissident in the name of Public Good.
I think that’s an excellent idea it’s quite clear this lockdown doesn’t go far enough. we should adopt the CCP lockdown policy and start welding doors shut.
Definitely. I’m not actually desperate enough yet to consider killing myself, but I think that could totally be remedied by the precautionary measures you suggest.
Just watched Adam Boulton interview Richard Tice on Sky. Mr Boulton, you are not worthy of the title ‘lobby journalist’ and ‘interviewer’. Not only did you libel and defame Mr Tice, and by association Mr Farage, you would not let the man talk and answer your questions. I know your new owner, Comcast, is a paid-up Clinton-supporting shill, but that was a disgrace even by your usual standards.
The response has to be the same as to the BBC – defund them. Stop using these political propaganda outlets dressed up as “news”. Find honest alternatives to build up.
Tice gave as good as he got. His partner will when she is next out – she can be very cutting. Nigel gets his points across very well too. They are running scared in MSM/liberal elite land. If Trump delivers an upset tomorrow (he is giving it everything but the kitchen sink today) they will go into meltdown. Fingers crossed!
Tuxedo Junction VIP suite 1982 – he’s quite short!
Yes, used to go to that one too – and Maddison’s, Julie’s and Grobs. Those were the days!
I once fell off the revolving dance floor after a few too many……
Something else was bothering me about Vallance’s graph that shows 4,000 deaths a day:
I estimated the total deaths from Nov-Feb from that blue line at, roughly, 210,000 (triangular approximation most likely low)
Using the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Research estimate of the infection fatality rate as being 0.3 – 0.49% that suggests between 43 – 70 million infections when the entire population is only 56 million (some of whom have already had it!!) https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/estimating-the-infection-fatality-ratio-in-england/
Am I missing something here??
It is clear to me now exactly what the SAGE and ‘mainstream science’ wanted from lockdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vL0281s5c – as pointed out by Carl Heneghan, infection rates are flatlining or falling in many of the tier 3 areas like Manchester or in student towns, so what SAGE are trying to do with this hastily arranged lockdown is to jump on the bandwagon of falling infections so that they can claim victory for their masterplan and say that it was the full national lockdown that got R under 1 and not the regional tiers strategy.
There is really overwhelming evidence now that there is a proto-Marxist agenda behind the ‘mainstream science’ and they want to bring down sectors and industries that are not ‘good’ in their eyes, like air travel, like events industry (which leads to increase in air travel and road travel), like the restaurant industry (causes obesity and waste in their eyes compared to home cooking)
Yes, I agree with that Ray. There is a cabal of Marxists that have been driving this from the start. They are aligned to, or at the very least, sympathetic to Extinction Rebellion’s aims. They want to eradicate air travel (apart for the elites to which they belong), meat, alcohol, proper heating systems, petrol engines, and so on. Boris is a useful, and likely compromised idiot, in this web.
“There is a cabal of Marxists …”
Another flying pig.
It’s a good old capitalist ‘Follow the Money’ scam (see the Council of Europe report on the Swine ‘Flu fakery).
Probably both.
Michie is definitely a Far Left extremist and should never ever have been in SAGE.
Heneghan implied on Talk Radio this morning that Whitty and Vallance (and SAGE) seem to be twisting the stats to support a decision/course of action already made, rather than enabling government to decide measures based on the actual (true and current) stats..
I agree, I posted yesterday a link to a summary article of the Imperial modelling from March, where they already laid out a ‘recommendation’ that the pandemic will last 18 months and the strategy should be endless cycle of easing and lockdowns whenever cases exceed a certain threshold. They had nailed their colours to the mast then and they are never going to deviate from the course, the only way to truly stop this hysteria is to sack the lot of them en masse, like Trump did with Fauci.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/17/905264/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/
Not “seem”, “are”. I think it’s been established beyond doubt now they presented a projection based on 3 week old data. The projection shows we should be on 1000 Covid deaths whereas we aren’t on 200 and something. They knew that. They knew they were deceiving the public.
Is it not too Machiavellian what you are suggesting. Though I own a similar thought crossed my mind this morning.
Hello,
i have a question. I am from Belgium. We are having very strict measurements at the moments. Everything is closed, except food stores, and we are allowed to see one person besides our close family and we have an evening clock. Our government did not want to do this. It had promised that we would not go in another lockdown. However, it was the hospitals and the doctors which forced the government to take measurments. Because the beds on the intensive cares are becoming scarce. In hospitals have to transfer patients. They are afraid that they will have to chose who lives and who dies. Especially hospital staff in Brussels have raised alarm. One doctor there in particular is very vocal. She does not even wants us to have any contact besides our close family. She is not famous but before corona she was on a television programme and she sometimes gives lectures on tv. Apparently in her hospital it is very bad. She is very, very alarmist. Liege has the most covid patients, however there doctors are less vocal. One doctor said in a reportage on television that he think an non-general lockdown would be better. But he was very modest in his expression of this thought. He said maybe I think that a lockdown targetting the vulnerable would e better. But afterwards he said but I don’t know, the people making decisions will probably know better.
anyways, I just wanted to say that here in Belgium the government really did not want the lockdown. Our prime minister said we would never go in lockdown again. But the doctors and hospitals (and the virologists) really put a lot of pressure on the government to go into lockdown. Especially Brussels. Liege which is at the moment the most hit not so much their doctors are less vocal than the flemish or brussel doctors. I think in Brussels they have worked hard and the staff is heading towards a complete burn-out that is why they are so vocal I think. They are afraid to have to make choices between who should live and who should die. They constantly say that. They don’t want to make that decision.
I do understand that hospital staff is exhausted and afraid, however still I think that lockdown does harm a lot of people. Some people do not have contacts and there main contact where there jobs, our cafes/restaurants, etc… Those people are all alone now. Yesterday I saw an elderly women in the park. She asked me a question. We talked very briefly, but she had so much despair in her eyes. It was kind of heart-breaking. She was not wearing a mask, and she was not keeping 1,5 metre distance. It was kind of heart-breaking. Doctors should also think about loneliness which can be torturing. Seeing people in the intensive care is very cruel side. However, loneliness can also be cruel however it is not so easy to make an image of it so it will have less impact that images of dying people. Maybe the restrictions are not so fair towards elderly without covid who now have to spend there last days in loneliness and fear. I don’t know. I think it is kind of cruel, however i do understand that hospital staff is panicking and some of them are exhausted.
Life can be so cruel. I hate to loneliness in people. It is so heart-breaking I think.
Sorry but only weak governments give in
The loneliness from these lockdown measures are absolutely devastating on all age groups. It’s interesting you say the doctors have pushed it in Belgium I don’t get that impression in the UK. The responsibility lies squarely with the government and the advisors who are pushing lockdown.
Hmmmm…probably best if we follow events in the UK. I expect Belgium just does what Merkel and Macron tell it to.
Was it the doctors or the hospital managers? I don’t think medical staff are in control of any of the NHS decision making, at local or national level here in the UK. And my local hospital is half empty.
Ummm what was your question ? You prefaced your comment with saying you were going to ask one and then dived into a diatribe about lockdown in Belgium, a TL;DR would have been nice as well.
But yes I do agree loneliness is awful and all our governments should be ashamed of the what they are doing to their respective countries.
I think this may be a language thing – I think what Chana meant was that she was her/himself questioning (ie trying to reason out) the rationale for the Belgian approach..
So the poster was ‘thinking out loud’..
Diatribe … that’s unnecessary, everyone has their own style of discourse to express themselves. I assume you have second language competency to the level of chana.
Yeah absolutely unnecessary. I actually liked the fact that Chana gave a different version of accounts from what we usually here.
You’re right was a poor choice of word. Was more to do with missing the question, the comment content was fine, albeit long.
Number o ICU beds in Belgian hospitals has falled by over 30 % in the last 30 years.
Against the background of an aging population.
https://tradingeconomics.com/belgium/icu-beds
‘Number of ICU beds has fallen”
sorry
Nice to hear from you, Chana. Though the situation you describe is just as dismal and dismaying as here in the UK.
Belgium did the first lockdown according to the epidemiologist at the right time. You had a severe first wave with many deaths. You took a severe economic prize of this lock down 5-8 % GDP contraction, which would have been better spent expanding ICU and hospital capacity. Instead your government mandate masks and continued following the lockdown route. Masks most likely increased infection. Lockdown will not stop the infection and death rate of C-19 will be higher with families being locked up infecting each other more easily. But it is possible that Belgium has had its peak according to the figures. In the Bell curve of epidemic when the cases decline, it will still being many hospitalized and deaths occurring but everything will go in the right direction. Sadly because of non C-19 lockdown deaths there will more deaths and misery because of lockdown.
Sometimes on this website foul play is being suggested, but our government at the moment seems to have very little to say so I do not think that they benefit from it. You should have seen the look on the face of the prime ministers when I had to announce it. It is really the virologists and the hopsitals who are pushing the politicians to take actions. But why would there be foul play? What would they gain from it?
Money?
Whitty, Vallance and SAGE all have close links with Big Pharma. Many have explicitly supported replacing natural immunity with vaccination for all diseases. The epidemiologists are being treated like rock stars and are on a huge ego trip.
Hancock too..
Are you being serious? You rule out vested interests? Based on what? That all humans are lovely and not grasping and greedy?
I can only imagine that their lives are so meaningless that even being marched to the gas chambers would seem like “a nice day out”.
a break from the new norm…
Of couse, Zyklon B – kills SarsCov2
Official polls are absolute nonsense and serve only to mislead, demoralise and make you feel like you’re one of a tiny, tiny minority. We are definitely not. I really wish they’d stop getting posted in the main updates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA&ab_channel=LimeXd
So what Piers?
“Piers Morgan reveals BOTH his parents produces a positive PCR test.”
Fixed it for you Daily Mail
Ahh only tested positive
Te report says ‘contracted coronavirus’. What this means in more or less plain English is that a test was administered, which was declared to have a positive result. This formulation lacks the required drama however, so it is rendered using the expression ‘contracted coronavirus’.
There you are – we can now almost imagine we are in a Hollywood Disaster Movie.
Yeah – needed a new mattress.
How many people do you know, who’ve actually said they enjoyed lockdown? Everyone I know who’s said this, has seen it as a home improvement holiday. Some have even been given extra cash to carry out the work.
Just seen this before logging on here. An investigaion is in order as well. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-hints-he-may-fire-fauci-after-election-day
From a cannon hopefully.
Also, I rarely make it to your corner of the county. But might have to make an exception if I need a takeaway!
FYI
Greg Clark is a very fine empirical economist. The ranking member, Labour’s Graham Stringer is a scientist by background and is a lockdown sceptic (voted against the government last time). Could be interesting!
So is it just another platform for the scaremongering to whip MPs into line for the vote, or are they going to be properly carpeted?
… and on Wednesday morning at 0930 there will be a session with the chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce.
Just written to my MP yet again. “We understand that there may be a vote in Parliament this Wednesday on the latest emergency lockdown measures.
We would implore you and the Opposition to oppose this latest destruction of our economy, body politic and civil society in pursuit of a will o’ the wisp. Neither of us have heard of any evidence, published or anecdotal, that the last 8 months of measures has “saved” a single life. Please point us to any if you can.
Louise sent a rather lengthy email with many questions on 24 September and did not get an acknowledgement. For brevity we will not repeat those questions. The latest policy declaration by the Government and its advisors appears to have surpassed farce in both presentation and substance.
We realise the numbers are not with the Opposition. At least a vigorous criticism of this lamentable Government however could flush out those of its supporters who are all bark and no bite on this greatest catastrophe of our lifetimes.”
Fantastic. The pig dictator has announced a six month credit card holiday
What they forgot to say is that interest rates on cards will remain at 40%
In six months the debts they cannot pay now will have increased by 20%
Happy holidays folks
Dear mugs, it’s only a repayment holiday
This seems like a deliberate ploy to cripple people’s personal finances even further.
I love the word “holiday”. Makes you think of sunny good times
Finally, a viable alternative to wearing a face mask.
Brilliant!
[gales of desperate mirth]
The rapists dad just announced the same thing. Coincidence?
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1323215565008371712
Friend landed in South Africa this weekend. No car available to rent – Avis told him half of workforce made redundant and most cars sold
Assume this will be similar all over the world
Crushing the car market in the process.
With all these people not commuting anymore, do they need a 2nd car which is parked at their nearest train station all day?
used car prices will go down. no 2nd car tax (less income for gov), no 2nd insurance, no 2nd mot, less jobs in all sectors.
No cars no CO2?
Easy to check if that’s going to happen: try to book a flight for next week. See what happens.
It’s astonishing that a lockdown is announced now. Deaths aside, most other measures indicates that infections have either plateaued or are declining.
Even Tim Spector (Covid Symptom study), who has never come across as a lockdown sceptic, has released a short YT video in which he says that cases are not surging. Most recent daily increase is 1.2%.
I thought the whole point of Dominic Cummings was to increases the level of numeracy & data expertise among government advisers.
No – the point of Dominic Cummings is to increase the profile of Dominic Cummings.
Never thought the guy was bright – the progress of Covid proves it.
Explain this….. Liverpool & Manchester, famously 2 Northern cities put into Tier 3 once positive tests were reducing. In the chart you can see both the incidence of positive tests and hospital admissions both having turned before Tier 3 started. Tier 3 status would take at least a week to have any impact on cases & 2 weeks to have an impact on hospitalisations. So, how is this ‘out of control’. It looks like in both cities it’s hit a ceiling & declined.
It makes sense to me. If you can put in a lockdown when cases are already falling, then the lockdown needs to be for a shorter period and cause less damage – we can still all get the good feeling that the government saved our lives, but at far less cost. That looks like the perfect time to do it.
Yeah, brilliant, tell that to the poor sods who have to close their businesses, go bankrupt, have their operations cancelled while what was happening anyway continues to happen.
Are you a Government strategist by any chance?
Can you please draw my attention to any authoritative papers which show that lockdowns work?
My understanding is that every paper published to date shows that they do not.
whats the website these are from, i know the link was in one of the comments last week but i can t find it.
dont worry i found it
https://davehawkins-shiny.shinyapps.io/hosp_app/
Reports from the Birmingham protest march sound good:
Freedom Rally in Birmingham yesterday – no masks – no trouble – great atmosphere!
I was there. Met some great people. One guy works in a hospital. Says it’s empty and the same ambulances were going in and out and returning empty.
Are they organising one for outside Westminster before the vote on Wednesday?
Good morning to all from Canada. Due to the time difference, we get Lockdown Sceptics early in the morning; and I like to read it first thing of the day. There is so much information here, that I admit I some; I could spend the entire day reading linked articles and watching videos, and still miss some.
That’s why, while I hesitate to ask you to read yet another article, I am afraid you may have missed it. It’s been linked on LS before, and thanks to that I have 950 readers. But I hope to get far more for it. This month I’m featuring it on my blog, and I also sent a promo out to the social media where I promote the blog. I hope that is intriguing enough to get you to want to read it:
“This is one of the best articles I wrote this year. It’s meant to read like a magazine article about the Wuhan lockdown; not the physical details, but the idea that the Wuhan-style lockdowns can ‘beat’ COVID-19. I give the best evidence that it can, and then the evidence that shows why that was impossible, IOW, if my article is correct, then the Wuhan lockdown did not work.
“If so, then I want to reach as many readers as I can with it. If not, then I still want more readers, because each reader is a potential critic who can find the error. So I have made this my feature article for November, and I am also writing this to urge you, if you haven’t read the article, to please give it a try:
http://gdspoliticalanimal.blogspot.com/2020/10/did-lockdown-work-in-wuhan.html “
Yes.
Infectious disease spreading allegedly uncontrollably for at least six weeks prior to the first official counter-measures on January 23rd.
During this period hundreds of millions of people travelling all over the country – China
Following which, the virus is virtually eradicated within two months.
Utter nonsense.
My current thinking is that China decided by early March that the virus stuff was all nonsense, or perhaps something they had themselves hyped, and decided to declare victory.
THe original events in Wuhan – flu, pollution incident??
Run a gastropub, completely over this whole shambles.
Didn’t put up any perspex screens. Didn’t stop people coming to the bar. Constantly batted away swervers who demanded to know why my staff weren’t wearing masks back in July and August “because it’s voluntary. We asked if they wanted to, they don’t want to, that’s their right”. Batted away all the complaints about not being pursued for track and trace “it’s voluntary for you not mandatory for us. If you want to provide details, fine, I’m not going to pursue it unless you want to”. We put no signs up. No social distancing notices up. No markings on the floor. Nothing. My only concession was marking one door as an entrance and one as an exit and I didn’t bother to enforce it with anyone. My pub was like entering a time capsule from before all this crap and the vast majority of my customers absolutely loved it that way.
A too long story short, they bought in all the mandates that made life uncomfortable for people. Then eventually we ended up in tier 3. We’ve been bleeding money for a month now and we decided to close down as of last night.
Of all the customers who I’ve talked to about the lockdown, which is pretty much everyone, a good 80% are firmly against it and think it’s ridiculous, are angry that their freedoms have been stolen, think it’s blown out of all proportion and absolutely do not agree with a second lockdown.
Of the ones who do agree with it I ask them “if it’s so deadly, why are you out of your home? shouldn’t you be sheltering instead of exposing yourself to such a deadly pathogen, or does it leave you alone now you’re sitting down at a table with some food?” They never have an answer. Sit there with their dull cow eyes. “But people are dying” they occasionally say “people are always dying and have always died, the human race isn’t immortal” is always my reply.
So a lot of people don’t agree, and i did see quite a lot of people each week. Don’t let them fool you into thinking they have *everyone* brainwashed. The majority may be silent, but there’s more of us than they think.
The polls are lies.
It really infuriates me how decent people like you get shut down by all this nonsense.
I am also angry as it deprives me (although I live too far away) of a decent place to go out to and a business I would have liked to support or support in the future.
I like your response to customers who wanted you to comply. That they keep quiet when challenged why are they out then just shows how people have lost the ability to to think for themselves.
I deliberately ran the pub as a place that was more welcoming to sceptics than swervers. The atmosphere because of that was great, because people were there to have a good time, not to be terrified and they felt like they could speak freely. I have lost that camaraderie and so have they now. Damn sad.
Excellent post – so sorry to hear about the damage caused by the criminals in charge.
Thank you for this post. I am really sorry to hear you have been forced to shut down what sounds like a good business. It must be heart breaking for you and your staff.
We had never ran a pub before. We took it over just prior to lockdown. A failing pub for 24 years. We could fill it three times a day by early September. Then they made it impossible for our customers to use our services and we crashed. At peak we employed 26 people from the local area. Down to 12 now. It’s hard watching your business die when you did nothing wrong
Which is the real and sole reason for them limiting social interaction: to prevent dissent from going viral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vL0281s5c
Carl Heneghan on good form talking to Julia Brewer-Hartley this morning.I had to laugh when he side-stepped the question about whether Boris had listened when he presented his data.I think we know the answer!
Another slam dunk on the care home cull, from the Institute of Government.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publication/performance-tracker-2020/adult-social-care
( correct link )
A picture says a thousand words
Pro-BrexitFacts4EU.org.
Print off the letter, and send to the PM and your MP today. No time to lose.
Cant open the link
.Cant open the link
Possibly the most depressing (of many!) stats in today’s posts are the numbers of people supporting further lockdowns. We, like I imagine most sceptics, don’t have tv – but tv exposure in someone else’s house last week to what can only be called brainwashing convinces me that we will get nowhere as sceptics until there are alternative facts being presented. what can we do?
Keep hammering away.
I don’t think popular support is quite as high as those posts you mention suggest.
I am sure you are aware that the 77th brigade has thousands of online identities at its disposal to push what their masters want.
The social and – especially – economic effects will eventually bite deep.
I think you are right, these polls are not as accurate as they pretend. And I am sure that the questions have been loaded. However, although scepticism is on the rise there are still too many people who have been brainwashed. I make a studious attempt to avoid anti-social distancing and more people are ignoring it, BUT there are still far too many who think it (anti-social distancing) is a Good Thing. My wife encountered a friend this morning who said ‘don’t come too close’, last sunday at church someone retreated as I approached.
There is a long way to go.
But on the other hand, many delivery drivers do not wear face-nappies and I always thank them for not doing so. One of them then went into a wonderful tirade about how ridiculous it all was.
It is worth remembering that although the face-nappies are vile and disgusting, it is the anti-social distancing that is the real problem.
A company for whom I do some work occasionally hires some offices once or twice a month. These offices have rooms of various sizes; in the good old days one of these rooms would accommodate 60 people, that is now down to 12; another would accommodate 6 – 8; now it is 3.
Think about that and think about the extra costs involved in having meetings; not everything can be done by Zoom or MS Teams.
There is so much wrong with the new situation.
I actually feel differently to you that the anti-social distancing is worse than the wearing of muzzles. I don’t mind not getting too close to strangers, but I like to see their faces and expressions. Of course I know i’m not supposed to hug anyone if I listen to our fascist leaders, but that’s ok because I ignore them and always embrace my friends and family.
I think the problem is in the term ‘support’.
If you substitute ‘willing compliance’, then I think the numbers are indeed high.
I took a deep breath a few days ago to enter the fray on a BBC HYS. I was more than pleasantly surprised to find nearly 50% of the posts were sceptical. Ok so the amateur dramatics award went to the lockdown zealots, that bit was a no contest but remember that people are only going to go one way in this. People are not going to become lockdown zealots, they are only going to become more sceptical. That is why I know we can and will win this fight.
Well I got a very prompt reply to my personal letter to my MP, in which I pointed out the egregious mendacity of Saturday’s presentation.
Here it is. Bless his gullible little self!
I’ve had a further update from the HRI Chief Exec and there are currently 111 Covid patients in CRH or HRI taking up beds which can’t now be used for other seriously ill patients and there have sadly been 45 Covid deaths in October here and 3 already this month. In our constituency we had 352 Covid cases in the last week up from 207 the week before. There will be more non-Covid deaths if we do not get the infections down.
Do keep trying though!
Use this as well as separate personal emails. Let’s flood their inboxes this week: https://saveourrights.uk/lockdown-resistance/
Meanwhile, there is an unintended but entirely predictable consequence of the weekend’s omnishambles. My daughter who has remained at Uni reports that on Saturday her house were all saying “oh well – it’s only 4 weeks – let’s stock up on Malibu and weed”. This morning, upon realising that the Great Leader was lying and theyu will be locked up indefinitely, they are all arranging to be collected before the gestapo put the roadblocks in place on Thursday. Everybody my daughter knows who had intended to stay will now be returning home. As I have no intention of leaving her in solitary confinement over Xmas I guess I will be joining the trek up the M6 in the next couple of days.
Have a shave first though Hairy Bob.
The way our children and young adults are being treated and blamed is an utter travesty. That generation cannot possibly forgive this one for the tumbleweed filled country that they will be left to inhabit. I feel desperately for them.
…but I shaved in July
Once a year whether you need to or not?
I wonder how many weed smokers have died of covid – could be the answer?
We need some RCTs on that one.
Well I’ve given it a go. Written to my Conservative MP.
Dear Mr XXXX,
I am a resident of XXXX, in your XXXX constituency. I do not usually write to MPs and will try to keep my email brief.
I listened with dismay on Saturday as the Prime Minister announced his intention to implement a second national lockdown. I am a Licensed Aircraft Engineer at XXXX Airport, and the coronavirus policy pursued so far has caused my family and I a great deal of hardship. I fear this second lockdown will destroy my career.
My situation is just one of many examples of the destructive nature of the government’s coronavirus policy. Civil liberties have been thrown away. Cancers are going undiagnosed. Businesses are going bust, destroying the hard work of many people who are likely to be natural Conservative party supporters. Jobs are being lost and many furloughed workers will never return to their jobs. The Chancellor has stated that funding for public services could be in peril. This is the tip of the iceberg in terms of the cost of lockdown, many effects have not yet been felt.
I strongly supported you at the last election. I had a large banner supporting your campaign placed prominently on my front fence. If the lockdowns and the destruction associated with them continue to be supported by this government, I will find it very difficult to vote Conservative again. I note with interest that the Reform Party has launched today, with its main aim being an end to this harmful coronavirus strategy. This party has the potential to draw in many natural Conservatives such as myself.
I urge you to vote against these measures. The harm they will cause in the long term will be enormous. Many people who support them now will wonder, in a year’s time when the panic subsides, why their prosperity has been destroyed. At that point their opinion will change and they will begin looking for people to blame, this could result in problems at the ballot box for the Conservative Party.
Yours sincerely,
Lockdown_Lunacy
Great letter
Thanks. It’s unlikely to change much but the reason I quite liked my MP before was that he wasn’t afraid to go against the government on an unrelated issue that was important to me (not Brexit related either!). So you never know!
Sadly, he will point out that, given where you live, he doesn’t give a XXXX.
Most likely outcome.
You might as well send it to a hamster
It’s true. Probably 5 minutes wasted!
That may be my fault. I may have cornered the world market on rage.
When are people going to realise how hard (continued brainwashing, PCR tests, T&T, furlough, SD, gimp masks) those in power are working to convince us there is a deadly virus in the loose!!
They are not even very good actors, total hams. Fauci and Billy boy can’t even keep a straight face when they are lying to us.
If it was a REAL virus government would be doing all it can to calm us down. But, err…..
Cardiff Bay National Socialists are not going to extend the firebreak lockdown, according to Drakefuhrer.
Watch it boyos. Poking Boris in the eye might endanger your £500 million+ English gravy train.
I think there may be millions of pro/anti lockdown flip floppers out there – on one hand reality and common-sense tell them lockdowns are wrong – but – on the other hand fear mongering by gov, their ‘scientists’, and the complicit MSM make people wobble back to pro lockdown thinking.
Is the use of fear to control people’s thinking a crime against humanity?
Yes.
I should think so. Is it not terrorism? Are the government not terrorists – i.e. an organisation or group that uses terror to achieve its objectives?
(Copyright Lionel Shriver).
O-deprived thinking…
So people will be struggling to put good on the table and keep their homes warm……yet those twats on Strictly can still prance around making tens of thousands?!
What the actual fuck is going on in this country!
Can’t stand it now and never got involved with Halloween stuff either (have always been a miserable old cynic!) but my cousin was watching with her little daughter who wasnt allowed her Halloween party or trick or treating, and they had the nerve to carry on with their own celebrations as if nothing was going on. Callous bastards.
Totally agree. I’m now not allowed to see my bf of 3 years because we live in separate households but two strangers can prance on a glittery dancefloor. Get to fuck
If you think your right to see your long term boyfriend supersedes their right to salsa you’ve got your priorities all mixed up…
Exactly. It is the STRICTLY religion after all! brings joy and salvation to millions.
Completely agree. It goes to show that Government and BBC think that we are all completely thick, with no real and important lives of our own. No doubt they think that Strictly is an important public service, raising the spirits of the hoi polloi who can live vicariously through watching some other people dancing. Just like they think everything will be OK as long as we get some tinsel, a turkey and a one day only chance for a hug at Christmas (never mind the birth of Jesus Christ who said “Do not be afraid” more often than He said anything else… Christmas has been commandeered for crappy political stunstmanship this year). They honestly think that ruining livelihoods, causing mental health distress, interfering in personal relationships and generally stamping on human life is generally OK with thinking adults, as long as there’s clapping, something sparkly on the telly and a farcical, sentimental rescue of Christmas by Uncle Boris.
Yes, you’ve hit the nail on the head. As my bf says, ‘Bread and circuses’
What the proles still don’t realise is that it’s not a four week lockdown because you can only get out of it if you meet some arbitrary criteria based on the flawed measure of PCR tests. It could be 6 weeks, 2 months, 6 months. Let’s hope granny lives long enough to see her grandkids again.
“If there is hope, then it lies in the proles” – wrote Orwell.
Thought that when I saw the beach at Bournemouth or read about raves near Manchester.
Mine will ‘cos we ain’t complying with any of it! My Granny is 101 and until this year I have never heard her swear. If she had a swear box it’d be overflowing now, even if it was the size of Boris…
The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: PM would have saved thousands of lives with earlier lockdown, says Sage scientist.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/nov/02/uk-coronavirus-live-johnson-plays-down-prospect-of-covid-lockdown-extension-ahead-of-facing-tory-critics
How does this esteemed ‘expert’ know this? Where’s his evidence? I’m sick of this sanctimonious drivel coming from these tunnel-visioned arseholes who are completely insulated from the consequences of this nightmare. Facts no longer seem to matter. Only feelings.
Fixed it for you
The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: PM would have saved thousands of lives if he’d sacked us, says Sage scientist.
That’s what we need! Lisbeth Salanders and her friends who can change what the guardian writes before it goes into print And maybe do lots of alterations on the BBC website. Also see to it that MPs only receive 10% of their income and divert the rest into a fund for saving businesses they are ruining.
NHS Brief HISTORY LESSON…………………………………….. for popgeners (sp?)
pre 1974 the NHS was responsible for the following:
Medical services for all citizens of the UK as follows:-
GPs
Hospitals – medical & psychiatric etc
Public health, schools etc
Physiotherapy
Schools dentistry
All Social services – home helps & nurse home visiting etc
(probably more but you get the picture)
1974 local government reorganisation (LGR) was the start of NHS disorganisation.
Weird machinations during 1974 LGR and anyone interested could take a look at Scarborough, Whitby, Free masonry and the very very infamous. Perhaps thats when the rot began to set in?
Helen,
a few years ago I read something in Lobster (Robin Ramsay) to do wth that.
Any more info links?
Particularly anything going on in 1974
I will let you know Calchas
On tenterhooks regarding my trip to Sweden on the 5th. Worried that they might close the border or cancel the flight but I really, really need this bloody break!!
While you’re there enquire about claiming Political Asylum.
Oh, this is so tempting!
Yes – human rights.
It is no longer possible for a human being in the UK to obtain the social noursishment necessary or a full human life.
I am in the same boat. Due to fly out on Friday. I’m minded to try anyway, as long as my flight is still going ahead.
Government slogan for teenagers might as well be: “Don’t kill granny, kill yourself instead”.
“Don’t kill granny, kill yourself instead”.
I can imagine a cute little booklet – probably part of a small series featuring all the little things we can do to protect the NHS.
‘Self-termination – The Covid Secure Way’
‘Don’t kill Granny’
‘Torture her in a care home and then kill her’
But stick this test stick up your nose first so we can record your death as a Covid death. Every little helps.
“Don’t kill granny. Completely destroy your future.”
Don’t kill granny, we’ll do it for you – safely.
Lizard plays out corona crisis with ducks…………………….Staring Granny …….
.sorry its in German but please don’t be put off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8cBaXL3QOI
The mind is flat.
We often think we develop deep rational understanding of particular aspects of our lives and draw on these when making decisions or assessing a situation. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Have they ever had Flu!
bravo
I cannot but be surprised by the way (apparently) everyone assumes that elections will be held in the future. Back in March, the government cancelled elections. Has everyone forgotten this, or does everyone believe the cancellation of democracy was temporary? If it is latter, I would simply remind everyone that temporary measures can last a very long time, so long as to appear permanent: consider income tax, for example: it was introduced as a temporary measure for the Napoleonic war.
An election could very easily be held, even with shit restrictions in place.
Yes – to cancel elections would be patent fakery.
Elections could (should) have been held in May. They didn’t happen. Currently, we have government by decree (Coronavirus Act 2020 esp. Part 2 Section 90). Why would any government wish to give up its unchecked power?
I’m not assuming it, at least, not in their current form.
I keep saying that too, Steve. People blithely say ”The Tories will be toast COME THE NEXT ELECTION”. Despots never give up power just because people don’t like them. We sound like a herd of sheep threatening a pack of wolves by bleating at them.
I think there is virtually no chance of the 2021 locals going ahead, have thought that since May at the latest. It has been obvious for ages. Real support for both big parties has crashed (bullshit polling aside), so Covid will rescue Keir Johnson Starmer from what would otherwise be an embarrassing number of spoilt ballots.
And Keir Johnson Starmer certainly do not want an anti-Lockdown party on the ballot paper.
German Merkel gov considering delaying election. The CDU should have a general meeting beginning of December to elect new candidate. This has been postponed.
Public is very keen to go ahead with elections and get rid of Merkel.
Yes the court case could be the soonest way out
If not the morons will eventually get fed up of wearing masks, no pubs, no family, no holiday, no theatres. no cinemas, no cafes, Piers Morgan, no sport, no gyms, no restaurants, smug MP’s, no Christmas, no money, no medical care, no food, huge debts, no humour, Marcus Rashford, no weddings, no job, no birthdays, no friends, no home. and endless lectures by the pig dictator
Have I left anything out?
no hope
Bob Hope
By the time they get ‘fed up’, it’ll be too late. What we can surely hope though is that our side of the argument is growing in numbers by the day, as the consequences of this catastrophe can only become more apparent as time goes on.
No point
You have inspired me to update the poem No! by Thomas Hood.
No sun, no moon, no proper time of day…
ending in:
November!
I like how Marcus Rashford is thrown in there. It really highlights how random and inane the story was. Just designed as a distraction.
They show no signs of being anywhere close to fed up of it to me,a lot of them are actively enjoying it.
With luck some might catch a fatal bacterial infection from their masks and then they would surely be banned…
At long last, what looks like a proper scientific study:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/02/coronavirus-t-cell-immunity-lasts-least-six-months-even-antibodies/
‘Coronavirus T-cell immunity lasts at least six months even when antibodies are undetectableThe University of Birmingham and Public Health England study, a world first, boosts hopes of long term protection from Covid-19’
So, no need for a vaccine. Unlock!
One advantage in having a GP as your MP is that I could add the following paragraph to the bottom of my email – which in my excitement I inadvertently sent twice!
As a doctor you of all people should know that a virus can’t be ‘beaten’. All we can do is mange it the best we can. You will also be aware of the fundamental principal of bioethics – non-maleficence. May I remind you ‘It may be better not to do something, or even do nothing, than to risk causing more harm than good’. This is the situation in which you now find yourself. By supporting the lockdown you are condoning the Government’s actions in causing untold harm to the population through loss of businesses, livelihoods and mental and emotional distress.
I urge you to look to your conscience and vote against this lockdown.
Mange? Thought it was caused by bacteria!! Lol we’ve all been victim of the terrible typo…
Shit! And I was trying to appear clever!
Interesting reading!
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid-19-data-exposing-deception
Excellent!
Thanks!
Just confronted by an alpha sheep in the queue for M&S: ” You’re too close, move 6 ft away from me” he demanded.
I did feel threatened, I must admit but then I thought, well, if he’s terrified if I’m within 6 feet of him ,he ain’t going to thump me, is he?
Seriously though, 2 days before the 2nd “lockdown” I’ve noticed that people are starting to lose their tempers with one another and the atmosphere is getting very febrile.
Alpha sheep = beta male
Why didn’t the sheep just move away from you?
Too much initiative and independent thought required.
Reminds me of Eric Cartman in South Park’s Pandemic Special with his distancing pole. “Six feet! Six feet Mom!!”
You were verbally savaged by a sheep, as Denis Healey might have put it.
My experience shopping today is manic. If lockdown is eased on Dec 2nd by some miracle then the rush for Christmas by the proles is going to be something else! Back home now on lovely tranquil, peaceful and maskless Dartmoor. An oasis of sanity in a mad country.
Lucky, lucky you.
DID YOU KNOW that internet censorship is coming to the UK?
https://twitter.com/SpeechUnion/status/1322994189269934081
No , but I knew it was here already.
I’d assumed it was already here.
“Welcome to the Sub-Committee on Disinformation.
Role of the Sub-Committee
The work of the Sub-Committee builds on the DCMS Committee’s inquiry into disinformation between 2017 and 2019. The Sub-Committee will take forward the work begun under the inquiry, including individuals’ rights over their data, the effect of disinformation on political activity, the regulation of big tech and online harms.
This page contains all of the work conducted by the Sub-Committee, as well as links to the main Committee’s inquiry into ‘Disinformation and ‘Fake News’ 2017-19.”
https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/378/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/role/
Despite the Mueller report in the U.S. finding no Russian collusion over the US 2016 election, this committe has been obsessed with finding “Russian disinformation” and “Fake news” online, which is why they’ve now put Ofcom in charge of what newspapers/news media can and can’t report over CV19. They also want Ofcom to monitor the internet for “fake news” = news they don’t approve of.
They should be looking to SAGE and No.10 briefings for fake news….
Boris doesn’t do detail!
He doesn’t do much I find him quite lazy to be honest we need someone committed in charge not slimy remoaner lawyer Starmer
New Italian rules…. “Middle and secondary schools will be ordered to use distance learning only”.
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2020/11/02/covid-curve-makes-new-measures-necessary-conte_00d71b0f-41ae-4e61-9a56-0054d9a02910.html
Although a full lockdown not yet.Riots all over Italy and I suppose the government might be divided (5 stars more worried)
A great little stocking filler for those loved ones who still don’t get it!
https://dungbeetlebooks.com/products/pre-order-we-do-lockdown-2a-artists-edition
Funny you should post this – I ordered 4 copies yesterday!
My two copies arrived today (one is a gift). Ordered the artists edition. Just had a quick browse through so far but has some corkers.
I received my copy today!
BJ, Telegraph 2007.
This Happy Breed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elzg-BEUYAE3-P4?format=jpg&name=small
https://www.janetanscombe.com/news/canarian-government-hopes-to-approve-law-this-week-to-require-tourists-to-have-covid-tests-before-arrival.html
As an oddity to publish (considering the lockdown of tourist traffic from UK) is the Canarian law requiring all visitors to tourist accommodation to have a negative PCR test 72 hours from 14th November. I think Canary Islands are now exempt from quarantine in the UK. So if you want to go to Canary Islands post 2 dec(cross fingers) this is what to expect from the imbecile local government and mask everywhere. The best suicide note for the tourist industry ever written.
Costa Rica have ditched their PCR test requirement. No info online as to why, only that it recognised the fact it would decimate their economy.
Yes, love the Canary Islands and was thinking of getting a little place there to spend the winters. It’s off the list now.
Anyone happen to know whether Sweden is still a sensible place to be right now? Some stuff in the news suggesting that new guidance amounts to voluntary lockdown but suspect that may be nonsense.
Thinking of getting the heck out of this wonderful but currently godforsaken country for a few weeks. In Scotland, so a bit more time to get out before Sturgeon copies Johnson and bans international travel. Other option thinking about is a Greek island, but suspect Greece will shut down again soon too as it has become the fashion again.
Alison, I’m still hoping to go on 5 November. A day after this bullshit lockdown kicks in, but you can travel for ‘work’. Not sure if I’d be questioned but I have an idea what to say in case I am. Only risk is that Sweden might bar entry or the flight might be cancelled.
The ‘voluntary lockdown’ is clearly an oxymoron and an invention of the British press. It is indeed nonsense.
We were there a few weeks ago and it was quieter than usual, from what we were told, but in general felt like normal life – no masks, no T&T, no rule of six, no swerving, people dancing and eating and drinking.
I think the guidance has been updated in certain areas to advise more caution, but it is only guidance. I suppose it’s possible you’ll find certain businesses closed, I am not sure, but certainly in Stockholm almost everywhere was open and while not packed, places had plenty of customers.
Try to DM Carrie if you can as she is there though it may be too early to say what the impact is. I spoke to someone in Gothenburg last night and life was still pretty normal there.
Whatever happens it will be better than the UK.
Thanks very much both, that’s really helpful. And good luck getting out on the 5th Calum, hopefully the airports will not be organised enough or motivated enough to be policing reasons for leaving the country on the 1st day.
Most Greek islands effectively shut down at the end of October anyway, certainly the smaller ones. Islands such as Crete and Corfu would be a better bet or perhaps Cyprus?
Thanks also! Yes Sweden probably a better option. Even if quieter than normal, lack of mask BS in itself a huge advantage.
Sweden is fine. Sine the start of this madness the ‘forces’ are desperate to put Sweden in a bad light
Don’t listen to the news. It’s all bullshit designed to put people off travelling.
We should get in some little boats and cross the North Sea to claim asylum in Sweden. How do I contact the people smugglers please?
Good point. We could ask them if they do outbound services too! They would be very confused.
Can you imagine their faces as they climb out of the dinghies when they arrive at Dover and the English are lining up to get in them and leave
“I’m trying to get to Somalia, I want freedom and prosperity!”
Wait on the beach at Dover and half inch one of their boats, tag team
What happens to all those boats when the “refugees” arrive?
JP Morgan in an article in Zero Hedge:
“It also means that the virus resurgence and the reemergence of lockdowns and growth weakness could bolster the above equity upside via inducing more QE and thus more liquidity creation.”
So it doesn’t matter if your business is destroyed and more people are on the dole or worse. What matters is that intervention by central banks to “deal” with the crisis means more easy money. Hence inflated stock prices.
Well, they’ve been onto a winner with this wheeze since the global financial crisis.
Everything is just one massive bailout, been that way since 2000
It’s not a bailout… It’s just a TRANSFER of WEALTH and PROPERTY.
It is a bailout. It’s just about how close to the tap you are. Every crash since 2000 has increased in scale and the window of stability between them shortening. The reason is that the system only survives on ever greater quantities of debt. If you cannot continually introduce it at required speed you’ll find there is not enough money to orevant a deflationary death spiral.
They can normally rely on the commercial banks and jiggery pokery of the financial markets to move debt into new fangled synthetic products and keep the truth from emerging (that we are bust) and this is why they wield so much power.
However once in a while the force of nature takes hold and large scale debt fuelled crash occurs in a specific systemically important market. Then the debt is moved either onto the publics books via government bailouts or onto the central banks, via schemes such as QE and ZIRP/NIRP.
This is unsustainable obviously but there is plenty of games to be won and proximate benefits for those close to the tap. That’s where your transfer of wealth comes in. Those at source get the first use advantage of new money. As that moves through the economy you get more money chasing the same number of goods and price inflation occurs. Which itself is a tax on th working man, the wage earner, the asset poor
You don’t need to bailout the Owners of the Monetary System!
Is that why hedge fund managers are exempt from self isolating
9 Lockdown Spartan rebels so far.,should get into double figures. A reasonable start, given the Craven character of Conservative MPs. Once it gets to 40 the government have a serious prob on their hands.
I would add Peter Bone and Philip Hollobone to the list as they’ve voted against all restrictions so far.
Excellent.
If Doris has to rely on Smarmy it must be game over.
Why? They’re in bed together anyway. And it helps the Tories overall in their masterful game plan of walking both sides of the street.
Please can we agree not to discuss Bozo in the context of anything to do with beds and things that happen there – it’s really not helpful!
I meant for him personally.
Not with Labour following the government into the lobbies.
SAGE members are handpicked by Vallance and Whitty. Therefore they inevitably only represent a narrow strand of opinion and, if not ignored, should only be listened to to a limited extent. Unfortunately the BBC disagrees.
Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
Robert Kennedy
Same around here,masked ghouls in abundance,on the streets,driving cars and vans,panic buying in full swing.
I don’t want to upset any optimists but we really are fucked this time at least from my observations this morning,the brainwashing plan appears to be pretty much complete.
It’s much worse than every before. So many masks. I went into a garage, woman behind a screen in her stupid little office put on her stupid little blue face nappy. I said no need to wear that on my behalf and she she it was for her benefit not mine.
Fucking Muppet.
Also the roads were pretty quite again.
Just let them stew in their own misery, if they want to wear their stupid face nappy let them. Saw 4 maskless in Trago Mills this morning here in Devon. Plus me of course!
I’m sure the peacocks are thinking “And they point at us with our big tails, pointing out how useless they are”
I think so too. Many many more outside now.
It’s a competition now to wear them in all weathers and empty streets just in case when you turn the corner and you see someone else in one at least you know you’re part of the tribe and it will feel like the world is making sense.
NOT TO ME
They love it. Fucking love it.
If one of the SRF is HAPPY with lockdowns…
STOP BEING SO SCEPTIC!!! They know what is best for Their slaves!
I’ve just been scrutinizing the government guidelines and it looks to me that support groups are allowed to stay open with up to 15 participants. Do you think we could start groups for people suffering during the pandemic and actually mobilise in some way?
I like the idea of an anti-lockdown support group.
Excellent idea.
I’d happily join.
I have been trying to get something off the ground via Nextdoor previously, had 2 people who said they were interested and then never heard of them. Posted it again yesterday, got 5 likes but no-one who says give me a date, time and location. I must be living in a community who does not care.
Hope others have more luck!
Yes, I’ve been looking into it too. It says: ‘Support to victims of crime, people in drug and alcohol recovery, new parents and guardians, people with long term illnesses, people facing issues with their sexuality or gender and those who have suffered bereavement.’
Why are people with gender issues singled out? Why not people with disabilities?
We definitely need support groups in all regions to plot the downfall of the government – what shall we call them?
Oi ladies present! Watch your fucking language!
Sorry ladies. I am flippin angry.
Fill your boots, dear.
Does anyone have a reference for a simple laypersons’ guide re how virologist determine what is a mutation, a variation, a strain or a novel virus. Covid-19 is supposed to be “novel” but its official title of SARS CoV2 suggests it developed out of SARS. I think this is an important area of discussion but mutation rarely gets mentioned.
This is the source material https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0695-z
It’s technical but nicely written.
This is the family tree. A black dot says 90% the same (SH = sequence homology). Orange ones at the bottom give you a cold. MERS in the middle will kill you.SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2 are at least in the same family – about 70% the same based on all genetic sequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome%E2%80%93related_coronavirus may be useful.
Is there a petition to publish the dodgy dossier: 2020 edition? Thinking of setting one up.
Apparently, the first British man – Conor Reed – ‘known to have contracted Covid-19’ has ‘died in a tragic accident’. He was a 26 year old student at Bangor Univ. The nature of the accident is not specified.:
“His mother Hayley said he had never got over the “hardship” of contracting coronavirus after he was forced to spend 20 weeks in lockdown.”
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-first-briton-known-to-have-contracted-covid-19-dies-in-tragic-accident-12121553
Did he fall on his keys?
It certainly looks that way.
There is a complete lack of info in this story which I think is deliberate. He never got over the 20 week lockdown as advised by his mum but at the end of the article says he admired China’s response to the virus and the harsh measures imposed. Which is it?
He told the DM in March – from diary:
“Day 1 — Monday November 25: I have a cold. I’m sneezing and my eyes are a bit bleary. It isn’t bad enough to keep me off work. I arrived in this country to teach English as a foreign language — but now I’m a manager at a school in Wuhan, the city in central China where I have lived for the past seven months.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8075633/First-British-victim-25-describes-coronavirus.html
If true, this places the start of his illness 59 days before China imposed counter-measures.
Are we supposed to believe that something was spreading uncontrolled for at least 59 days, and that in the six weeks ollowing January 23rd China virtually eradicated the virus.
This is a good spot. It’s complete rubbish and just before the lockdown people were already moving about the Country for Chinese New Year. The biggest human migration on the planet!
At some point the Chinese government realized that covid19 was a load of bollocks.
They wound everything down and declared victory.
A PCR test conducted in China would probably find tens of millions of positives. At least!
Would that the UK government would realise it all nonsense, wind everything up and declare victory. Any subsequent COVID deaths could be labelled flu or pneumonia.
As this guy was the first case in the UK and subsequently 40,000+ people have now supposedly died from COVID. Then why are the press not labelling this guy as a mass granny killer, as by their logic he is more than likely responsible for a lot of these deaths?
Feels just like March again, with worse weather. I need to get out of this pathetic excuse of a country.
From SORUK:
DO NOT CLOSE YOUR BUSINESSES UNTIL YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING FROM OUR GOVERNMENT
Put the government on notice of “conditional acceptance” NOW.
This is the highest form of honour, they have made you an OFFER you have ACCEPTED it under CONDITIONS, the ball is then in their court, they MUST rebut your points with clear factual evidence.
I’m even going to write it for you…..
*****
I will conditionally accept your demands on proof of the following,
1) A document that shows and provides scientific evidence of the testing procedure being used in this country that 100% positively identifies Covid19 otherwise known as Sars cov2 not ANY other type of coronavirus in a living being beyond any reasonable doubt.
2) You can guarantee and prove that the test being used to justify these “guidelines” will not give a false positive result.
3) Evidence that this is Law, because it clearly says “guidelines”.
4) A copy of the two way contract signed by BOTH parties where I agreed to follow these “guidelines”
5) The government website clearly states Covid19 is no longer considered a HCID, please provide scientific proof of it being highly contagious.
6) Please clearly define what you mean by a “public health threat”.
7) Can you confirm the current medical threat to a normal healthy individual (under 75) and confirm how many critically ill healthy people without any underlying conditions (only) there are in ICU so I can make an informed decision on these “guidelines”.
What grounds does an alleged “public health threat” which was downgraded in severity levels in March become of higher importance than the long term threat I face in terms of mental and financial ruin?
9) Are you willing to accept full liability for any/ all financial, physical and/or mental health problems brought on by following this guideline and closing my business?
10) Please confirm that these guidelines have been through a risk assessment and will protect me from mental and financial ruin.
11) Please present me with a copy of the “guidelines” and show me where it specifically names my business.
12) Where there is no victim there is no crime.
Please explain to me how I am breaking the law by not following these “guidelines” .
Only a reply that meets the following criteria qualifies as a proper and verfied reply.
It must be supported by an affidavit with a full legible, title, wet signature, name and address, signed and sworn or affirmed as being true, correct, complete, certain and on full commercial liability and on penalty of perjury.
Any correspondence must only be sent by registered mail.
All questions 1-12 MUST be answered clearly.
If no reply in the correct manner is received within seven (7) days it is thereby taken as your assent and agreement.
Signed
Please share
“1) A document that shows and provides scientific evidence of the testing procedure being used in this country that 100% positively identifies Covid19 otherwise known as Sars cov2 not ANY other type of coronavirus in a living being beyond any reasonable doubt.”
You need to correct the terms used!
RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is the alleged new causative agent (aka virus) that causes Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19).
It is alleged since no scientific study (at least two from two different groups) as demonstrated that RNA “SARS-CoV-2” is an infectious viral particle that can cause a disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the host.
So in FACT all this is just a nice theory… nothing more, nothing less!
In the prior press statement, Patrick Valance said, “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.” So the country’s most senior scientific adviser thinks the outcomes of computer models are data.
At around the same time, Boris Johnson (without the benefit of a scientific education and with the benefit of a Classics education) told us that lockdown was Charybdis.
So the result of all this education is that scientifically illiterate scientists have persuaded the non-scientist to throw us all to what he knows to be a devouring monster on the basis of pseudoscience.
If a satirist made this up no one would find it in the least credible. We are in the midst of a case of collective madness that many vested interests are exploiting for all it is worth and I fear the madness will not end until the harm done has been so catastrophic that no one can deny that the cure is worse than the virus.
It is data, it’s just not real-world data
Data are facts. Computer model outcomes are nothing more than the mathematically inevitable results given the assumptions.
The data that one of his sponsors also commissions, How coincidental!
They are not data. Data are facts.
Yes it’s not data. Data is collected. Models are generated.
Exactly, bullshit model-generated “data”.
Starvation in the streets and suicides off the scale, that’s the only way for it to end now.
Visual reminders of the carnage.
You use modelling when real empirical data is unavailable or sparse.
As you recover more data you adjust the models to match the data, not the other way round.
This is pure manipulation to provide cover for a required agenda.
The comments on the REACT study miss the point. The manipulations to get to a figure of 90,000 cases per day are neither here nor there. They’re probably as good an estimate as any.
Much more significant – and shocking – is the way the data is presented. The most reliable way to measure the progress of the epidemic would be to test a large enough sample to estimate the current rate of infection, wait three or four weeks and repeat. Then estimate the rate of increase of the epidemic by comparing the estimates 3-4 weeks apart.That is the primary purpose of the REACT-1 study, and that is precisely what they did. They estimated that the doubling time of the epidemic was 22.7 days or and R-value around 1.16. This is the most robust statistic produced by their study.
So, did they publicise this statistic or list it in the summary of their latest report?
No.
Instead, because the sample for each round of the REACT study, themselves take place over a couple of weeks, they took the first few days of the latest round and estimated the growth of the epidemic from within the latest round itself. Producing a far less reliable statistic, and with no discussion in their report for how this might be affected by temporal biassing in their sampling (eg if you were suffering from COVID at the start of the sampling period, might you wait until you felt better before arranging a courier to take your sample?). However, this gave them the statistics they needed for a headline “R-value above 2 in London” – which was so much better than “doubling time 27.9 days in London”.
Does anyone have a link to the proposed lockdown legislation (from Thursday)?
What you mean they actually have to publish a paper.
I thought the PM’s oral instructions at the Presser were sufficient these days.
An interesting note: The Guidance identifies those specifically at risk of serious illness from the virus. The list does not include BAME, which implies that the government does not believe its own
propagandascience regarding BAME people and the virus.‘Guidance’
Hello khl485, thanks for the reply. I’d seen that article but am unable to find the legislation on which the “restrictions” in that article are based. What the government says are the rules, what the police interpret as the rules and what the legislation actually says aren’t always the same.
Won’t be published until Wednesday or thursday.
Notices | coronavirus-notices| The Gazette
Thanks Silke.
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1323248874597863424
COVID Test-Trace is no longer possible in Germany, there are too many cases, says Merkel: “We no longer know where 75% of infections come from. We can no longer say that a particular sector does not contribute to infections at all”
Something to bear in mind next time people tell you how Germany got it right…
T and T has clearly only a rolenin very controlled environments. Labours idea that bringing it under government control will solve everything is so see through its almost laughable.
Laughable, isn’t it? ”Infections” – as if this means bodies in the streets, overflowing morgues, overwhelmed hospitals. No – just healthy people stupid enough to get tested voluntarily.
If that – because these figures could be plucked from air to suit each day’s narrative. We don’t know they’re genuine.
Any takers on a bet that lockdown won’t be lifted until Easter 21?
I don’t think it will ever be, if they have their way. It’s up to we, the people to ensure that it ends. Which is why the number of people wearing useless, humiliating masks is so incredibly frustrating.
Not many would wear them without the enforcement and risk of fines, many people just like to be seen to be doing the right thing.
It takes a police state to enforce these draconian rules. I do wonder how many police know anything about the Nuremberg trials?
When people have nothing left to lose, thats when things will change.
Of course, you’re right, Kev. It’s the fines that are preventing people from standing up to this madness. We can expect pub owners and restaurateurs to defy it either – how could they afford the kind of fines that would be inflicted upon them? Many have already beggared themselves in an attempt to obey the ”roolz” – and all in vain, it seems.
It is so obvious this is no longer about a virus.
Do sign the petition. It’s growing so suspiciously slowly. We know it won’t make any difference – but it will allow us to see that we’re not alone.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Depends what you mean by lockdown. In my book, lockdown has been in place since March and will continue until every single law and SI related to it is removed/lapsed/not renewed.
By my definition, by Easter things will certainly not be back to normal. Probably not in my lifetime.
If you mean the current England “tier 4” phase due to start Thursday, it will be lifted/modified at various points between now and Easter, so that the frogs don’t notice how close we are to boiling point.
Nope, no end in sight. And it will only get worse when the “vaccine” ID comes out.
I personally expect them to lift it for a few days over Christmas. As someone has said on here recently the equivalent of giving a dog a bone. then lock us back down right through the winter.
They’ll lift it for Christmas, juke the stats, blame us for breaking the rules, and lockdown even harder.
Letter posted to my MP, 1st class signed for, “Now that the WHO have spoken out against lockdowns, please can you assure me that you are doing everything in your power to resist the proposed lockdown which will do untold damage to lives and businesses.”
She’s never voted against Keir Starmer in her life, so it’s more in the nature of satire, really.
My MP’s researcher corrected my wife on the WHO point re. lockdowns, saying the WHO actually said they should not be the PRIMARY means of controlling the virus. Massive difference there, obviously…
But the daily rolling death rate is the same as the five year average?
There are ZERO excess deaths!
Flu & pneumonia have gone down 97%. Covid has gone up by an equal corresponding amount.
Anybody smell a rat?
I’m smelling an entire stinking rat nest.
Yes – a RAT. A Race Against Time. ”Keep ’em down and controlled just until we can roll out the vaccine – don’t let them out too soon or they’ll get over-confident… Keep churning out the false figures…”
There has been too much about the ineffectiveness of masks and too little about the downsides of wearing them.
Here are two papers which (to my untrained eye) look balanced and well-researched, and which should give mask-wearers pause for thought:
https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part1.pdf
https://pdmj.org/Mask_Risks_Part2.pdf
My argument for my medical exemption is that I am particularly vulnerable to lung infection and don’t wear a mask because I don’t wish to be a burden to the NHS in the future.
Me too. All true.
I have an elderly friend who suffers from periodic vertigo and permanent asthma.
She wears cloth masks religiously, ignoring all attempts at dissuasion.
Now she’s in hospital after a bad vertigo attack and a suspected stroke.
And thanks to Josef Stalin Dungford, I can’t even buy a get-well card to send her.
Do sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
I understand that deaths in Sweden of C19 have gone up from negligible to insignificant.
A good piece on the lies from SAGE
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-downing-street-s-covid-projections
Latest from Captain Tom:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8904945/Captain-Tom-Moore-100-issues-rallying-cry-nation-ahead-new-winter-lockdown.html
I think he’s completely confused duty with slavery.
Cruel that the media and government have co-opted him for their evil purposes.
Are any of his children NHS Nutter types? They might be manipulating him.
Manipulating an old man to walk up and down his garden for a month and then watch him pretend to know that he is talking to Lewis Hamilton and then sing a song with Michael ball. Nah surely not……
He was always a stupid git.
Good intentions son’t stop you from being a stupid git.
Yes – I always wondered why a man like him wouldn’t be directing his efforts to helping the British Legion. A much more worthwhile organisation.
Agreed. A shallow bore and a class “A” twat.
on a lighter note
Silly me, I never realised I could earn a livelihood walking around the fucking garden
First time posting. I am so angry and upset, it’s all I ever feel now. However today’s ‘leak’ in Scotland from the BBC website
” Scotland’s first minister says she faces a “dilemma” over whether a national lockdown should be imposed while furlough support is available.
Nicola Sturgeon said she was seeking “absolute clarity” from the Treasury as to whether financial support was only available while England is locked down.
A new five-level system of measures came into force in Scotland on Monday.
Ms Sturgeon said a decision on whether to go further within days may depend on how long furlough funding is available.
Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross has also called for the UK government to “commit to extending furlough if Scotland needs to go into lockdown”.”
She faces a dilemma, really? A dilemma whether to put us back under house arrest, a dilemma that the Scottish government can get even more money from the pot in England? A dilemma because Scotlands cases are going DOWN. That’s the only dilemma she has, our cases are going down, BEFORE the tiers came into effect. So why would she even consider closing more businessess and putting the entire country under house arrest.
I’ve been watching the figures for my area and they leveled off about a week ago and now they are going down.
I am grateful to find this site and that I’m not the only one against lockdowns and masks.
If she goes for lockdown then it will be clear to all that the lockdown is not about saving lives or reducing infection but purely about money. I’m amazed she even said it.
Hello and welcome.
Keep staying just about sane!
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Wekcome among the crowd!
We will live to see Sturgeon in the criminal looney bin where she belongs.
Welcome to the sanehouse.
Sane? I have been a looney tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist for years.
This is not a dilemma. This is a travesty. How dare she even make such remarks publicly. She is considering a lockdown, not remotely justified by the figures, in order to get access to tax payer money which she does not need, and will shut the country down to get said cash. Apparently thinks the harm to mental health, loss of services, harm to family life, prevention of religious worship, all A okay as long as she gets the same furlough money as England. What is she on, can she even hear herself?
She is like a fruit machine, all i can see is the jackpot cherries spinning in her eyes, kerching, kerching, kerching. A two armed bandit
Sign the petition against muzzles.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
It’s growing suspiciously slowly.
This one is for England if there is one for Scotland I would definitely sign it. I don’t want to give any excuses to discount my vote because I don’t live in England.
This must be dumb remark number 106,342, made by a politician this year
Hello
Shops in East London are putting the Magna Carta 61 rule in their shop windows and staying open, as that law still stands today.
That man shall be free!
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Excellent!
Please oh please remove the grocer’s apostrophe.
No need to cause people like me unnecessary suffering!
Seconded.
Has the queen been advised of this action? She might have a quiet word with her government.
Nice one.
Does anyone have a photo of that? Would be great to distribute and encourage others.
And then they will find out the actual truth when they are shut down and locked up under express parliamentary statutes – which are the absolute authority in the UK.
Some people really shouldn’t be allowed near legal text books.
Magna Carta not helpful, then?
I am afraid she died in vain.
It’s the spirit of the people doing it we should admire – whether or not it’s an immutable law.
Yes, It’s about making the stand
The more the better.
its a nice try, but futile.
from https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/originsofparliament/birthofparliament/overview/magnacarta/magnacartaclauses/
Only four of the 63 clauses in Magna Carta are still valid today – 1 (part), 13, 39 and 40. Of enduring importance to people appealing to the charter over the last 800 years are the famous clauses 39 and 40:
“No free man shall be seized, imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way, nor in any way proceeded against, except by the lawful judgement of his peers and the law of the land.
“To no one will we sell, to no one will we deny or delay right or justice.”
It’s not futile if it focuses more attention to their plight and that lockdowns destroy lives.
If you haven’t watched it, watch Kristi Noem’s talk, especially the Q&A. She talks about removing the emotion from the decisions.
So many great quotes.
BBC funding makes interesting reading!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding
What happened to all the live every day like it’s your last, dance like nobody is watching bollocks.
Seems to me the nation has turned into a nation of cowardly custards…
Now it’s live every day like it’s your last but make sure you wear a gimp mask and stand 6 foot away from me you murdering disease-ridden bastard.
Just another example of how people tell themselves whatever will make them feel better. Beliefs or principles are largely window dressing save for a minority of people I know
Agreed, their whole lives are just a performance.
Being terrified of the very air they breathe makes them feel better?
I reckon for some of the happy muzzlers, this is the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them in all their very narrow and limited lives. It’s what passes for drama in their murky little world.
Yes. It’s like when you see “be kind”, or “love wins” on somebody’s profile. It’s a dead giveaway that the person is a vicious, selfish, spiteful git.
Or they paint it on their living room wall, just to keep reminding them
“Live, Love, Laugh”.
Always a bad sign if you see that one!
“Graduate from the school of hard knocks”
Sells Avon
Yep. It’s my last day. Don’t let my relatives anywhere near me. I might catch a cold.
Oh dear. Yes. But the reality is for most elderly ones, no risk is too great to take to be able to be with their loved ones. And most, I’d guess, don’t even think it IS ”a risk” – the elderly are far more pragmatic than the young snowflakes.
Ugh, my mother posted a pic of some store that had gone to a lot of trouble to paint a parody of Freddy Mercury on their front window: Your maskless face is a big disgrace, spreading your germs all over the place.’ I’m offended on his behalf, and from my own mother! Was it just as much of a ‘disgrace’ to spread flu, cold, and vomiting bug germs all over the place? Now instead of ‘othering’ people like Mercury, we’re ‘otheing’ the whole f’ing human race. Absolutely no insight as to where this is all headed.
Gets better!
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/gates-foundation-awards-20-million-to-bbc-world-service-trust
Tip of the iceberg. He’s been very busy since 2011
WHO – 4.3 Billion, Imperial College – 280 Million, Oxford University – 243 Million, Prof. Chris Wittey – 40 Million, BBC Media Action – 53 Million, CDC – 155 Million, GAVI – 3 Billion, Johns Hopkins – 870 Million, NIH (Fauci) – 18 Million
Since at least the year 2000 They have been planning this…
Planning Pandemics!
300,000 signatures to close the schools. I thought that there was at least some sanity in the government with schools being kept open. I’m now expecting a u-turn by at least the middle of November. Losing hope day by day.
But no petition to keep them open….
No reason to. The revolt has only just reached the parliamentary level,and it is growing day by day.
I think part of the problem is that a lot of the people who support lockdowns and want to close schools are politically active petition-signers, tweeters etc and a lot of people who oppose lockdown are busy working or trying to have fun
Yes indeed – happily taking public money for doing nothing.
Nothing to do with fear of the virus, or the well being of children (because we know children are not at risk – as do these self-serving twerps).
Do these teachers not realise home schooling done via the internet and delivered by AI bots is the future, they are too stupid to see they are doing themselves out of a job and a career.
Oh, it’s ok, we will all be employed as Amazon delivery drivers
Until Amazon uses the new technologies (drones for example) to deliver.
Hang on, I thought we were all going to be insulating lofts or something like that?
Nah, wind farmers
I will laugh so hard when these “WFH” loving teachers get replaced by internet education.
Do we know the signatures are mainly teachers or are these hysterical parents and/or interfering union-types swelling the ranks? I have a handful of friends who are teachers and they are desperate for schools to stay open – for their own sanity and because they care about their pupils.
I suspect the union types, not just NUT but across the board. There’s more than enough of them. We have a few teacher friends, they’d fight to keep them open. I know one though, who’ll make any amount of trouble to get out of work.
Maybe a petition that if schools close ‘No work, no pay’ for teachers
Mexico is the best example of the distortion of case data because of the rate of testing. Mexico with 139 million people. They have had 930. 000 official cases and 92000 deaths of C-19. But they test only 18000 people per million(157 in the world league less than Mauritania).What numbers would they have if they had tested like UK which tests 27 times more? 27 million cases and the lead in the world. Naturally, you can’t assume the exact same spread in both countries but they should have had many million more cases. If you go for IFR 0,02% and herd immunity 60% they should have 166 800 deaths and with 40 % 111 200 deaths. They are quite close with the current deaths and might soon reach herd immunity.
You know it’s bad when our Govts COVID response is more corrupt than Mexico…
And yet they’ve consigned millions of their own population to extreme poverty via lockdown.
Just created a petition to publish the dossier: http://chng.it/XdkLqrCRR5
Please sign – I’ll send to the email address too.
Done and shared
Great work – again – NCG!
I am hoping (probably futile) that one MP, at least, finds the backbone to pin Bozo down over this in the Commons this afternoon. I wrote to highlight this, among other things, to my MP this morning – she is a sceptic, but no idea whether she’s got the insight or guts to make a fuss.
“The First Minister admitted they are now facing a “dilemma”, with furlough only set to be available for Scots if the country goes into a full-scale lockdown.”
And why is that? Why can’t the bullshit tier system stay in place with lockdown of the ‘higher’ ‘at risk’ regions. Why do we need to spend taxpayers money and stop the economy in areas with minimal ‘infections’?
“The potential benefit of that would be suppressing the virus further and faster, at a time when financial support is available, and possibly, I don’t want to overstate this, but possibly opening up a bit more breathing space over the Christmas period.”
Yes, the throw the dog a bone theory appears again.
Theory:
Sunak sticks to his guns and furlough ends 2 Dec. Meanwhile Drakeford and Sturgeon have jumped on bandwagon and just started lockdowns and can’t stop them without looking stupid. Pre-xmas run-up saved in England, but screwed up in Wales/Scotland. England stats massaged accordingly.
Westminster 1 Devolved leaders 0.
Sample email sent to my MP (Labour) who has been on TV moaning about the Government, but will absolutely stand by them & support lockdown…:-
Good morning,
I felt obligated to write to you, though after having seen your appearances in the press the last few days I suspect it will make little difference, it looks like your mind is made up to either abstain, or to vote for more totalitarian lockdown measures that are destined to destroy the lives of poor, vulnerable, disabled, isolated, and hard-working people.
We know for sure that there have been over 25,000 excess deaths in homes the last few months, probably this is just the tip of the iceberg seeing as the Government has told people it is apparently not possible at this moment to publish confirmed suicide figures. Charities are saying that figure could very easily amount to tens of thousands.
Lockdown measures have already previously been estimated to kill in excess of 200,000 (source: DHSC ONS & Gov Actuary’s Dept of the Home Office report) and food bank networks have already some time ago this year, predicted the number of people additionally driven to desolation in the run up to Xmas, to be in the region of 700,000.
These above figures are not based on models conjured up out of thin air. Death and destruction is absolutely guaranteed far and wide, any potential mitigation of the impact of covid-19 is nothing but speculative, – have the Government shown anywhere, how many lives were saved by locking people completely away in March? can they produce even ONE person and have them say ‘lockdown definitely saved my life?’
So, the NHS ‘might’ be overwhelmed… I hear you say. I submit that this is not a new phenomenon. It was not in danger of being overwhelmed in March-April, it is not in danger of being overwhelmed now, particularly as extra funding has been made available, and we are in a much better position with knowledge and treatments for covid-19. I will not post weblinks but the following are exact verbatim headlines, and are freely available for viewing on the various websites, news & periodical repositories, and video sharing platforms.
BBC News, 7th January 2017: “NHS rejects claims of ‘humanitarian crisis’ in England’s hospitals”
The Guardian, 11th January 2017: “20 Hospitals declare black alert as patient safety no longer assured”
The Daily Mail, 3rd January 2018: “Winter crisis cripples NHS”
The Daily Express, 8th January 2018: “Britain in grip of Killer Flu”
** [yada yada, I had listed some more examples, but have removed some links here for brevity] **
The difference in the future will be that there will be nobody left to pay for the NHS, so there will be literally no NHS to save – despite the fact that there have been NO EXCESS in respiratory deaths since July!
The Government will undoubtedly go down in history as incompetent, destructive, and dare I say just plain evil. Leaving frail, elderly and vulnerable people to die in isolation will never, ever be forgotten. Destroying the mental health of millions, robbing young people of crucial development time, interaction, and harming their futures completely & irrevocably will never, ever be forgotten – make no mistake, those who enabled and collaborated to make it happen will never ever be forgotten either.
Your esteemed Leader Sir Keir will no doubt have a bright future – his Trilateral Commission membership will see to that. I suspect there will not be much room on his coattails. If you vote to lock down again, and condemn millions to economic destruction & years if not an absolute lifetime of poverty, – ask yourself in your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe you should be expected to keep your job as a representative of the many, and not the few? Are our elected representatives fit for purpose, or merely surplus to requirements?
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The Trilateral Co. bit is probably a cheap shot, but sod it – if only to show our MPs the strength of feeling .. if it makes someone even an office lackey engage their brain and think for 5 minutes, then it’s probably worth it.
From Unredacted, which has just completed an online poll:
“We asked thousands of people whether they would support a new national COVID lockdown.
This week, Boris Johnson introduced a new law preventing groups of more than six from meeting up. Some people now think this could result in a new national lockdown.
The results are in…
39,566 people completed the poll.
42.4% (17,499) of people DO support a new national lockdown.
55.8% (22,067) of people DO NOT support a new national lockdown.”
This was conducted several weeks ago, but is totally different from YouGov. It doesn’t ask any leading questions, or try to frame the question at all. I have no idea if or how the respondents might be weighted.
I have never met ANYONE who is in favour of any lockdown, let alone a national one. I wonder where they find these respondents. Another part of the question should always be: ”Are you employed by the local authority?” We can then assume they are smugly comfortable taking public money for doing nothing.
Even amongst those who work in public services, education or those otherwise not financially affected, support far from unanimous. I work in public sector and been working throughout, my closest family are not having income affected right now, my parents are retired and financially secure. We’re all completely against lockdown. There are lots of public sector employees who oppose this (Not the unions sadly, am not in one as cannot bear their nonsense even at the best of times).
Many of these figures we’re seeing don’t even make sense if they’re continually called ”cases” when in fact they’re not, but only (dodgy) results from healthy people who are daft enough to take the test. Even if they’re genuine – which I’m beginning to doubt.
As for suggesting that numbers of deaths were ‘covid deaths’ rather than making it clear that they were simply from people testing positive in hospital OR sometime in the 28 days before – well. It’s depressing how gullible many people are, that they should believe this manipulative guff.
I seriously believe my daughter, aged 21 and has just seen her future career destroyed, is on the brink of suicide or at least severe self harm as she cannot face the thought of being locked down indefinitely over the winyer.. She cannot get any actual help from “Our NHS” . Is that reason enough to leave the UK under the legislation coming into effect on 5 November?
Better to leave in the air on a plane than as smoke. I have a daughter just about to turn 21, Life also being screwed over. Hope your daughter finds a good path to follow soon.
I’m sorry your daughter is suffering. I’ve got three young adult boys who are in various stages of depression over the nosedive their prospects of any kind of happy life have taken. Honestly, if it weren’t for them, I don’t know if my fellow-skeptic husband and I would find any meaning in life …
Heartbreaking.
If no care from the NHS, there are a few things she can do:
Hard when the stress of seeing your country reduced to this. I’m older than I would like and am disgusted at the collaborators driving this hysteria. If we all refused to comply this would have to end.
Do what’s you think is best. You can always say you are traveling for business. I am sure nobody will check anything.
I am so sorry — one of my daughters struggled with self-harm and other issues so I understand what you’re going through. I hope she is not living alone. Private options would be costly, but worth considering. I concur with others that if leaving the UK is best for her mental health, then just do it.
Lockdowns do work, they work very well.
If your intention is to destroy economies, jobs, livelihoods, society, prospects and lives.
Yep… That’s one of the MAIN GOALS!
all those intentions will result in FUTURE DEATHS… not linked to Them or to Their OPERATION COVID! Brilliant Plan.
Here is a link for Two-Six and anyone else of most of the FOI requests, answers, appeals, correspondence with councils, BMA etc:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiVlmntsaxkQ9GQxI?e=K4G8F1
I have redacted as much of my personal data as I could from them so feel free to use them.
Enjoy reading them, some juicy bits in the middle of the answers that were quite unexpected.
I am awaiting answers from the devolved assemblies, the NIA called me and told me verbally they hold no evidence to justify any local restrictions and passed it on to the health department to double check.
I also sent letters to council leaders , first ministers, health ministers etc and not one has even acknowledged the correspondence let amone attempted to answer any of it.
Happy causing trouble with them.
Let me know if it doesn’t work.
Great stuff. I’ve been annoying my local rep with details on PCR so will follow up using some of this
Thanks AG. WOW that’s quite a repository there…phew Good job.
Use it to best effect and stick it to them.
They don’t like it up ’em.
Glad the link worked, still learning this cloud shit.
Live feed coming from the Telegraph at 3.30
“Boris Johnson will tell MPs the national lockdown could extend beyond December 2 amid growing unrest about the restrictions among ministers and Tory MPs.”
Dies it mean the more unrest the longer the lockdown? To punish us?
He’s a bog standard dictator. Thinks the solution to every problem is a show of strength.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1090007/china-confirmed-and-suspected-wuhan-coronavirus-cases-region/
Check this table out to see how absurdly low China’s covid statistics are outside of Hubei.
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1, 340 000 000 (1.3 billion) people in China live outside of Hubei province.
Officia covid deaths – 234
One of my friends is working in China as a teacher. She told our mutual friend last week that someone who was diagnosed with tuberculosis tested positive for Covid recently. Then the whole city of 8 million people were tested in one week, 4 positive tests. Those 4 people were isolated.
It is difficult to believe but the friend said she was impressed how efficient everything was.
I bet they don’t do 45 cycles of PCR.
In reality we have ZERO COVID deaths…
This is a very good SCAM!
You’ve posted this before. What are we looking at?
How a SCAM is used to pretend moron slaves are “positive” for RNA “SARS-CoV-2”
Those are the different test being approved and used in the beginning of the OPERATION.
What that simple matrix shows is that for ANY SNOT SAMPLE one can have a “negative” PCR if a previous “positive” was achieved.
So… in short we can have ZERO “SARS-CoV-2” samples, meaning ZERO COVID-19 cases!
PCR is not a test. But clearly no one cares…
It’s definitely the masks that done it
Found these at B&M today, think a complaint is in order.
Until now it’s been a bastion of almost normality but this is too much..
Insane. Stick it on your head then on your face. Remember the argument that masks work because why else would doctors in theatre wear them?
Do you think they are using it as a bandana on the way home too?
Probably use it to wipe their arse as well.
I cannot understand why anyone believes the lies from the Government. Locally, people are lapping it up, asking to be Marshals etc and generally buying into this lunacy The same people are stripping the supermarket shelves, taking delivery slots and leaving the very people they say they are protecting – the elderly- frantic with worry about how they will survive.
It seems to be an unholy alliance of the BBC and Guardian columnists together with Tories who the former two previously called ‘right wing’. It’s a pathetic spectacle.
easily led. pathetic
2020 is really a jobsworths wet dream
Afternoon all, I owe an explaination for my pessimism.
We all bring our experiences here and I have been burned by a bad experience working in government, and now a similarly poor one in academia which have now made me very negatively inclined, everything just feels pointless now. Plus personal circumstances with my very sick mum have gotten me down anyway, and this background shit all feels like knife twisting.
Plus the little I see of the outside world isn’t great, normality is growing ever distant and the flocks of sheep follow every diktat. That doesn’t mean they’re all bought in, but compliance is still very high. And it’s because of that they think they can get away with another full lockdown, another step on the road to the dark future that awaits.
I don’t have anything against optimism and do enjoy hearing those views, as I asked for last night. But it is getting harder and harder to believe them.
There were those in Salem in 1692-3 who thought it would go on for ever too.
It didn’t.
Unfortunately, Salem came at the end of a 200 year period of persecutions.
Though I get your point.
I think the case for optimism is plausible but not certain. I can’t offer anything better than that, except to say that what keeps me going is talking to people close to me who think like I do, and trying to do as many of the things that I enjoy that are still available. Lots of things have been taken away, but I still enjoy a good meal and a nice bottle of wine, a good book or film, music, walking, running or cycling in nature, and the simple acts of washing, shaving and putting on clean clothes at the start of the day. All pretty corny, but thankfully my psyche chooses that path over anything darker.
For me, it’s the extinguishing of ‘possibilities’ that’s the problem. Sure, I would never get round to doing 99% of the things I might daydream about (build a house, travel, restore a vintage car etc.), but I might do 1% of them. This bunch of evil/thick tw*ts have put in doubt any such possibilities – it just isn’t worth the risk of dreaming about anything – and I think that will still be true even if/when the magic vaccine arrives. It has been demonstrated that the foundations of our lives can be taken away from under us at any time, and I can’t see us ever getting over that.
And, deep down, I don’t even think it ever was about a virus. Looking at my short list of dreams above, I can see that under the Great Reset, I won’t be allowed to do any of them! All of them are 180 degrees opposed to the plans they have in store for us.
Yes, all of that.
If we can we should try to stay healthy and I won’t say happy because that’s not appropriate and too hard but we should look after our mental health for when this ends
Think WWI.
We’re in the middle of 1916.
It will end, but there will be more suffering. A lot more.
No were are not we are in March 1915
More soldiers died between August and Christmas 1914 than the rest of the war put together
Gallipoli. The Somme, and Passchendaele are yet to come
Why are people not absolutely furious with the government by this point. Seven months, and counting, of this nightmare. Is that not enough for them? We are literally PAYING them to order us about and by so doing, RUINING our lives? It’s tragically pathetic the way people refer to our disgusting, obese, philandering and thoroughly selfish PM as ‘Boris’ as if he’s their best mate. Why respect this silly, pathetic coward?
How dare they say that they may not ‘allow’ us permission to see our family or friends at Christmas. How the fuck is it up to them or weirdos such as Chris Whitty or Neil Ferguson? And all over a virus that’s oh-so-deadly that they are PAYING people to be tested for it.
We are in a deeply, deeply dangerous place now, ruled by people who so obviously do not give a shit about ANY of us.
I have moments of sheer rage where I just can’t speak to anybody else for hours. Enough is enough.
You really struggle to put it into words sometimes, don’t you.
Feeling the anger but a lot of people still believe and I think aren’t quite as angry as those of us who saw the light early on.
I’ve snapped at so many people today and it’s only Monday. Especially the idiots who keep telling me to “Stay Safe”
Agree. That is like a red rag to a bull
Same here, just had that on an email I received a couple of minutes ago. He’s in more danger of me thumping him than Covid.
I suppose it’s maybe harder for us. I’ve been against it since the start so maybe I’ve had that much longer for the anger inside me to continue to escalate.
‘Stay safe’. Oh, F*CK OFF.
“Stay Safe” – The New “Sieg Heil”.
Heil Hancock!
Three things come to mind:
They:
I think there are more “ordinary” people out there who now know this is BS than we might think from looking at MSM and social media. Certainly that has been my experience. Trouble is that they seem more likley to be politically not very active, and the pro-lockdown people seem to come from a strand of society that is very good at making their views known and exerting influence.
Maybe the Brexit party becoming the anti-lockdown Reform UK might act as a rallying point for people.The best they can expect is to take votes and win seats at the next local elections, unless they get cancelled of course.
It has to start somewhere, might even get some disgruntled Tory MPs to defect.
Definitely true, especially compared to the first lockdown. There aren’t as many zealots about now (although those remaining are extremely committed). I think the bulk of the population are just putting up with it as best they can for an easy life – infuriating though that is to us.
I was at a pub yesterday for a final hurrah before the Lockdown.We came out as a young family comes to the door and the parents madk up.The mum then bends down and puts a mask on their 4 year old boy!! I actually said out aloud What is wrong with you?Have you gone insane.He is afucking child..I’m am now the crazy man that shouts on the high street. Had a massive row with my wife and the Sunday was ruined. I can’t hold it back anymore, I’m done being polite, keeping my mouth shut and keeping distance..Fuck them ,they destroyed us as an society and as human beings.
Good man
I’m at that stage now where I’m literally storming into shops without a mask and behaving almost arrogantly to counteract the stares I get. I’m becoming deranged.
A single bacteria cell measures 2 micrometers or 1/40th of the width of a hair. A virus is too small to even be measured in micrometers so it’s nanometers. These pathogens are inordinately small and the loose fit of masks mean they get out through the mask, above it, below it and our of the sides!! People are constantly touching, pulling the things up and down.
Your response was proportionate and appropriate. Well done
Where is the anger? The anger is latent for now.
There is still huge, utterly irrational fear. I’m hearing people saying they are now more afraid than they were in the “first wave”.
When that subsides and the dam bursts, the anger will be volcanic.
Like someone else said earlier we should stop calling him Boris. No other country does this first name thing. We should call him Boris Johnson or the Prime Minister.
No! Boris the Spineless Shit.
Very well said.
The Guardian: Covid lockdowns are cost of self-isolation failures, says WHO expert.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/covid-lockdowns-are-cost-of-self-isolation-failures-says-who-expert
If there are more toilet paper shortages in advance of the upcoming locky, the Guardian is a wonderful substitute.
Or Piers Morgan’s new book.
Use Piers’s Morgans new book to wipe your butt on?
That won’t work, the pages will be made of flimsy whimsy bland paper with no substance and your finger will go right through it.
It’s about time these “experts” shoved their “expertise”. The days of these people dictating how the rest of us live our lives ought to have never begun, but they are over.
The reason the factory didn’t meet its output quota this month is because of saboteurs, comrade.
So the conclusion is to grab people and lock them into camps probably
Presumably all Guardian readers self isolate perfectly and everyone else is a selfish covidiot. (Haven’t read it, not sure I need to).
The only people I know who are in favour of the lockdown measures have broken those measures, consistently. Apparently, they think the measures apply to other people, who should be forced to comply in order to protect them.
That’s outrageous.
A petition to close schools by 300,000 yummy mummies and daddies and namby pambies.
As much as I hate this government, I urge them to stand firm against these PATHETIC tossers.
Oh he’ll stand firm until Cawwie says what if it was little Wilfie and his very life at stake from the vewy weal threat of covid – I reckon Doris will cave by about Thursday!
What’s to stop these branch covidians taking their own kids out of school if they want? Why force the rest of us to suffer with them?
Exactly, they are welcome to keep their kids at home – more attention for the children left in the classrooms
Good point.
Absolutely.
It would have the added bonus of identifying which parents to avoid in future.
branch covidians, very good
Thanks
I am not a violent person. But I was thinking what consequence the buffoons in power need to face to hold them to account. Even if they are condemned in any inquiry, they still go on to lucrative jobs and deals. It all bounces off them. For the first time I can remember I have been considering that bringing back hanging may be appropriate. I feel this country and my fundamental rights have been violated to an extent unimaginable a year ago, and those who serve us need to see it is never acceptable. they need to be told in no uncertain terms this is not acceptable.
i am opposed to the death penalty even for the most awful individual crimes, for many reasons, among them the sense that everyone has their reasons and circumstances that led to making really bad life choices. i believe in healing and rehabilitation.
but this is bigger than individual crimes and it must never be allowed to happen again; and those who consider doing it again must be shown that it will not be tolerated.
Hanging would certainly sent a powerful message to future politicians. But I do think the dismantling of the Common Purpose (the public sector’s own Freemasonry, just without the good bits) machine might be a better place to start. Especially regarding the reward of failure and jobs for the (right) boys and girls.
I wanted to edit my post but I can’t.
long jail sentences might be sufficient. Preferable to death penalty, which as I say I am generally always opposed to. Criminal sanctions, in other words. I just sort of assume that criminal justice never reaches these sorts of people – they always escape and get to make loads of money.
It wasn’t a criticism
Not sure if this has been posted:
https://advocateme.wixsite.com/copsforcovidtruth/the-project?fbclid=IwAR3Zv1G0kKebzB_EEQD9z7nBEDLhoRcwHFsrAw2RsLHRMBXZKY1utfj4mB8
It’s apparently a call for Australian police officers to sign up to an organisation Cops for Covid Truth.
I’m not convinced by the Libertarian argument. In fact I would happily lock Boris up for the rest of his life if I thought it would get us out of this mire. But locking people up is not the answer. We need a strategy that does the most good for the least harm. Lockdown is not the answer.
What Libertarian argument?
If sufficient numbers of people did not comply with the pseudoscientific measures, the madness would be over.
“ pseudoscientific measures”
Leave out the ‘scientific’ tag and you’re accurate.
I did. Pseudoscience is precisely not science, but is sold as if it were science, which is exactly what the government and the rest have done.
More like religious measures!
I don’t understand why Libertarianism is suddenly an evil concept. Even Sunetra Gupta tried to disassociate herself from the “Libertarian harangue”. Fine for it not to be part of her personal politics but why consider it to be so contemptible?
For left-wing/socially progressive academics (like me, for example; like Sunetra Gupta), ‘libertarian’ means ‘a heinous person who wants to let everyone else die in the street’. It’s a shibboleth, a group-belonging word. Most of us haven’t read any of the relevant texts, let alone done any serious thinking about the concept.
I spent many years in academia as well, but have gone back to my libertarian roots since this insanity began. The AIER (American Institute for Economic Research) stuff has been stellar, and the videos by Tom Woods are fantastic. I actually find that the libertarians are the only ones talking about the impact of lockdowns on the lower classes and have been very suspicious of “the science” and the elites running the show from the beginning.
I want proper retribution.
Found guilty of treason and have the bastard shot at dawn.
For extra spice I’d quarter him and scalp him.
Wanksock just gets pineapples shoved up his arse prickly side first every day.
And he has to eat a decent hot curry every meal
The measures are not there to reduce the ‘cases’
The ‘cases’ are there to justify the measures.
The inventor of the PCR said of the PCR: “You can use it to find almost anything in anyone”
Do you think that Sir Patrick Vallance doesn’t know that?
The PCR found I was secretly a millionaire zillionaire. As a consequence I have decided you should all eat locust burgers and live in hot bedding arrangements and any spare room you have will be given to Amazon. I’m going to take air travel and cars away from you all, and your jobs, and I am going to sterilise you with vaccines. Then I’ll buy a bigger yacht.
Walking past the local veterinary surgery I saw a post-operative pooch being restored to its owner in the car park.
The dog was wearing a clear plastic “lampshade”, the veterinary assistant a clear plastic face shield. “Spot the difference!”, thought I. Then I did – the assistant was wearing a mask as well.
It’s a strange world where the humans are muzzled and the dogs not; it’s a sinister one where people are treated worse than animals, where compliance is mandated and liberty denied.
Old news!
Just think how much fun you could have flicking food into the waitress’s dog cone!
Can you carry these bowls of boiling soup to table number 8 please. Make sure you don’t trip!
It’s so she can’t lick her own arse.
I’d offer if she were game
Very sorry to hear it. Losing a pet is wretched. I bet he or she had a nice life with you.
I’m so sorry to hear that. My worst fear has been losing my dog during this nightmare. For a bit of good news, I need a new vet as we are moving permanently out of the city and to our home in the country. The first clinic I called was OK with me not wearing a mask. Granted, we have so few cases up here, but the sheeple are still 100% compliant. I have found that calling or e-mailing ahead about honouring mask exemptions has worked out well so far. I’m rarely refused and so have been able to work around it and almost never wear a mask at all. I hope you find, or have found, a new furry companion.
The madman and rapist’s dad is announcing new torture rules for the Welsh
What happens when you put a sadist in charge
What is it this time?
Fuck knows, can’t be bothered to listen
Just checked, status quo ante lockdown. Could be worse. Could be better if Dungford hanged himself, but one thing at a time.
He might need some help.
2 households can form a bubble – big effing deal! I’m already doing that with various neighbours and friends near me as someone living on my own. Nothing about opening up ‘non-essential shops and businesses’ but maybe that’s to come. Evil twat.
I live in England. I like restaurants. So soothing to be served a meal without having to prepare it or do the washing up oneself! I am thinking of a little trip by train into Wales some time next week, or the week after. I hear there are restaurants there.
Unless we have travelled back in time to the early 1940s, and skipped across the sea to the Third Reich, it seems most unlikely to me that I will be questioned by state security forces on the train as it approaches the border.
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1323273761404145664?s=20
Weaksauce.
My forecast similar with others is lockdown until at least 14th December. They will ease restrictions over Christmas so that they can save it (and they know people will ignore them anyway thus undermining their authority) and then it will be tier restrictions for the next few months. There may be another lockdown in February but there will definitely be one over Easter 2021 as it will coincide with the natural seasonal diminishing of respiratory disease infections which they will appropriate to claim credit for (and to hide the real cause).
By the way this is a reasonable forecast and so should be treated as data thank you.
Also forgot to say there will be a new dynamic from March next year onwards as they will be able to start doing a year on year Covid comparison by week. Not sure what that will mean for the message, just assuming it will be bad.
Yes they will love that. 200% more deaths than on this day last year! Umpteenth wave more deadly than the first! Etc etc.
They are positioning lockdowns next to natural declines in virus activity. This is so they can claim lockdowns work. Why would you need to make lockdowns look effective? Because you are going to do it again… and again.
I’m more and more convinced that this is their game. Why have they used 3-week-old numbers to frighten us into lockdown, when more recent numbers show a flattening or even a decline in some areas? The timing is very suspicious. By Christmas they will be claiming that lockdown saved nearly 4,000 lives per day because that’s what the model said would be happening without it. Hey presto, lockdown works.
But if they were smart, they’d slow down testing during and a few weeks after lockdowns. They could truly make it appear that lockdowns work if they merely stop testing anyone who doesn’t have symptoms. The reason there’s no correlation between lockdowns and mask mandates is because they keep increasing testing, which is sure to make it appear as if there is still a pandemic.
Sounds realistic, and I expect that will take us up to when the “vaccine” will be deployed and the testdemic wound down.
I saw no point in writing a letter to my MP. He’s a front bencher and very much one of the Boris clan. I sent my letter to Desmond Swayne and Graham Brady explaining why I hadn’t sent it to my constituency MP…
I am the same. I’ll do it if someone like Liberty do a simple click and send thing but cba otherwise.
Just fired another email (both barrels) to my MP
Dear Dr Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxx
I emailed you on the 22nd September 2020, regarding the accuracy of the PCR tests being used to ‘diagnose cases’ of Covid 19 but I received no response.
As a practicing Doctor you must clearly understand the important principle when administering treatment…First do no harm.
Inflicting lockdowns on the country have not worked in controlling any respiratory viruses (mandatory mask wearing included) and this supposed cure is showing itself to be far worse and creating wider suffering and death, than the disease.
I could give you a long list of scientific evidence which proves this, but if you have already sold yourself to the pseudoscience of Sage, I cannot see the point
I suppose you can take comfort your job, as an MP, is safe for a further 4 years. This is a luxury many self-employed and small business don’t have. This suffering will now be felt for decades.
If you vote for a further lockdown (or abstain from voting), I will never vote for you or your party ever again.
Regards
Jamie Xxxxx
PS How’s Brexit going?
Love it :>)
Why should we trust these modellers when they can’t even predict the number of deaths three weeks into the future, a number which anyone with basic horse sense could estimate by looking at the number of infections for previous two or three days.
Just saw this on Twitter:
The total number of Covid patients who have ever needed hospital treatment from the NHS is 170,000.
The NHS has 1,200,000 staff, 1,275 hospitals, at least 140,000 beds and a £350,000,000 per day budget.
And a prick answered “more like 1.6m”. So I told him to go to the govt website, if he can read.
The StandupX website is linking to this protest in their “Events” section:
https://www.facebook.com/events/2490955537826472/
Who thinks they might go? I’m all for combining our efforts but some of the posts on that Facebook page don’t look all that coherent with the LS mindset. Too much lionising of the NHS etc. Thoughts?
I suppose attending shows a bit of defiance to the government measures. Not sure where you would get one of those masks from at short notice?
I would assume a lot of the far left types who might usually attend this event are going along with and fully supporting all the government measures such as track and trace and mandatory vaccinations and testing? if the usual attendees all support the new technocratic police state in reality it will be interesting to see the attendance.
The more people on the street, the better for me.
The “Mask March” is – or started out as – an anti-austerity movement. Whatever your views on austerity, it is one that does cause the government some embarrassed squirming. But it is not an anti-lockdown protest as such.
Thanks. I suppose I’d feel inclined to go if I knew that anti-lockdowners would be significantly and vocally represented … but I guess it’s very hard to know that ahead of time.
I think the timing will mean most people attending will be anti lockdown. The police can’t complain about people being unmasked at this event, will be interesting.
Not so keen on going after looking at the facebook page, they say they are pro civil liberties and human rights but no condemnation of lockdown and police brutality at the anti lockdown protests (but plenty of political posts about America). Looks a bit like they approve tyranny only if under a red flag.
Not sure who this lady is, but I like the sound of bringing the likes of Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and senior politicians to peoples courts to defend their actions. To have a second lockdown on very flawed and fraudulent evidence is genocide – they are even preparing people for it with the term ‘Darkest Winter’.
THE COVID-19 GENOCIDE OF 2020 – CLAIRE EDWARDShttps://www.bitchute.com/video/D0RN8vHfEaTi/
If you haven’t taken the time to read the GP’s article in Toby’s update, I urge you to read it all now.
Here’s a snippet:
I had the easiest 3 months of NHS practice in my life from March to June 2020. No wonder all those apart from in ICU were smiling, laughing, and apotheosising the NHS on social media. This was their first real break in 70 years. They genuinely felt they deserved it. Then, a strange thing happened in an already strange time in June 2020. Bad stink five. I received an email from the Clinical Commissioning Group. Cascaded presumably by the BMA to every CCG and GP in the country, simultaneously. I was fed their pro-BLM message, and invited to click on a link where I could donate to the neo-Marxist trained BLM leaders via a US Democrat party central-funding company, ActBlue.
How very odd. I had not yet received one email on the pathophysiology of COVID-19, not one email on life-saving potential early community interventions and treatments (maybe more on these another time). Nothing. Yet here was priority number one in the pandemic apart from systematically neglecting my patients: dip into your pockets, doctor. Donate to the statue-toppling, English-heritage-bashing, and lockdown-breaking SARS-CoV-2 spreaders-in-chief.
Agreed ..its really an eyeopener!
It’s a spectacular piece, easily the single best repudiation of the government’s actions I have read.
Heatening words from Patrick O’Flynn in the Spectator. Pessimistic though I’ve been feeling lately, I genuinely agree that this is the last time the govt will be able to get away with it.
Will Conservative MPs and the party’s collective leadership have the resilience, belief in their own approach and esprit-de-corps needed to tough it out, or will they buckle in the face of the Farage onslaught and shift decisively onto his anti-lockdown ground?
A study of recent political history tells us what is overwhelmingly the most likely answer to that question. This will be the last national lockdown and for that we will largely have to thank the guy who has so far failed to get into the Westminster bubble himself.
Go it, Nigel.
We are now in entirely uncharted political territory. Farage’s intervention can only be a good thing, but I think it’s hard to predict just how much good it will do.
I think best he can do is to get the masses actually thinking outside the MSM dictated box.
That would be nice.
Farage will get MSM coverage because they can’ t resist. They’ll be vile but he’s used to that. It will get the message out.
I agree. It will get the sceptical message out there and this should turn the tide whatever we may think of NF personally (and I think he is a very effective politician and will support him).
They can keep getting away with it for as long as they keep printing money for furlough.
There is genius in our enemies. Evil genius, but genius.
Evil totalitarian governments rule by terror, but usually it’s the government itself that is the source of the terror and is therefore obeyed, but hated.
By making a virus the source if the terror, our monsters have diverted that hatred into a completely safe channel – for them.
Genius.
But I hate them. Nobody except another sceptic could possibly understand how much I hate them.
And they make us more afraid of each other than of what they are doing to us. An extra dose of evil.
It’s like how good news is because of governments, but any bad news is becuase of the virus/pandemic.
Yes we do, but the hate needs to be channeled, and aimed at the right people.
One day, we will have a chance to call them to account, we have to believe that.
This is either gross incompetence, or it is manslaughter/murder. Either way a number of people are definitely complicit in what we are seeing.
I don’t believe it’s incompetence.
Nor do I!
I know exactly how you feel. I have never felt such loathing and hatred as I do now, so much that it scares me sometimes!
Just a thought – are they being blackmailed?
One or more of the protagonists, almost certainly so.
That wouldn’t surprise me. Politics is a swamp for swamp people. Only those who are easily corruptable get the top jobs. It keeps them in line.
“Those are my principles and if you don’t like them… Well, I have others.”
Groucho Marx.
The Chinese dissident who revealed much of what’s going on with Hunter Biden did a Twitter broadcast last week. he said, “You don’t think Britain has its own Hunter Biden?”, and referred to Cameron and Boris.
We knew about Cameron’s todger and the pigs head, as for Bozo monogamy isn’t a characteristic he embraces.
His ‘Monogramy’ BJ characterises his preferred ‘embraces’
My attempt at trying to get my MP to look further than the orders he gets from his party leadership. Copy sent to Graham Brady too.
“I see Mr Johnson and his advisors have deigned to give MPs a vote on Wednesday, regarding their forthcoming continued destruction of the UK economy and way of life, to perhaps share the responsibility around.
I can only ask that all MPs closely scrutinise the information and data that you have been and will be given by the government, and importantly, demand that the data is complete, and not edited, especially that comparisons are made with previous years medical data. You will I’m sure remember that children go through a phase of asking “Why?’ to everything that they are told. You need to keep asking, why? Just as young children do. That might feel difficult, but if 3 year olds can do it. So can MPs.
Tonight. Chris Whitty at no stage made any mention of comparison of this years medical data, detailing admissions, respiratory deaths and NHS winter pressures, that routinely occur every autumn and winter, with previous years. I would ask for comparisons of this year and the last 25 years. At no stage did he mention excess deaths; or the deleterious impact of lockdown on the diagnosis and treatment of other illnesses that are far more likely to be fatal than SARS-Cov19 for individuals, such as cancer and vascular diseases. Why might that be perhaps? Are those people of no importance?
Patrick Vallance’s presentation was notable for its graphs of predictions and possibilities predicated on ‘modelling” i.e. guesswork. In truth the only hard fact in his presentation was that they had asked 3 different groups of people for their attempts at guesswork as to how SARS-Cov 19 might escalate.
We must all question the modelling assumptions. Clever people, perhaps, are psychologically less capable of this than most. Garbage in, Garbage out as the saying goes.
Yours in despair.”
I hope you don’t mind but Ive copied your comment to my MP.
The ‘scientists’ look like gangsters, Johnson looks defeated, and not mentally strong enough to stand up to them. Leaders need to be able to lead not just follow or allow themselves to be coerced. We’re never going to get anywhere if this goes on, if they are scientists and not handlers, they would always say lock anyone away if you dont want to catch anything.
How do you know he isn’t fully onboard with the Great Reset? His father was a Rockerfeller banker and is a posho eco warrior like Charles. Grouse shooting and flying for me.. communism for you. Carrie is a posho eco warrior and works for Oceana – An eco group set up and funded by the Rockerfellers.
True, he is definitely not the same Johnson that we knew, maybe that was the lie.
Just returned from my local high street, 2 days before “lockdown 2”
A pizza parlor which survived “lockdown 1” already has a sign in window: “shop to let”
Going well, ain’t it ? and it hasn’t officially started yet.
The latest from Dreadfilth:
People will be able to form household bubbles again and meet in pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants when Wales’ fire-break lockdown ends.
First Minister Mark Drakeford made the announcement at the Welsh Government press conference on Monday, November 2.
The new rules will last for two weeks after which they will be reviewed to see if further changes can be made.
These are the new rules he announced that will come into force on Monday, November 9:
Perhaps Duckfat is reluctant to cook his own goose…?
So far as I can see from the Welsh stats, at this point in time the firebreak has made no difference. Are they claiming otherwise?
Since nothing will have changed at the end of two weeks, it would appear to be dipstick’s very own tickbox exercise so he can be seen to have dun sumfink.
Farage’s reform party is the best news I’ve seen in weeks! He has my vote!
What makes you think you will get a chance to cast it? The government has already cancelled elections.
I hate Faridge. I think he is a total A-hole.
But I will support him.
I’ve had to do a 180 degree turn on pretty much everything else!
Great comment [Big smile]
The enemy of my enemy…
The thing about Farage is that the Torys fear and loathe him, so much so that they ape all his policies to pull the rug from under him. His policy, like Trump’s, is the Great Barrington Declaration. With enough pressure from Farage, and a Trump win, the Tories will adopt this policy as their own.
Having cancelled my direct debit for Friends of the Royal Academy, I have been asked to return the new membership card which was sent out early in expectation of me renewing. I’m returning it with the following comments.
“Direct debit now cancelled – card returned.
I assume you are having to close again from 5 November for a month, possibly longer.
I have no sympathy.
Most of the arts sector has meekly accepted all of the Government’s restrictions – instead you should be opposing them.”
Strangely enough, when I look at their website they still seem to be open for bookings after 5 November, but I assume they haven’t got round to shutting it down yet. In contrast the Tate website has made bookings unavailable from 5 November.
Stanley Spencer Gallery in Cookham – has shut down 3 days before Lockdown because of Covid-19!!
That’s something we see in various contexts – people who want to be “ahead of the curve”, like the outside mask wearers who think it’ll become compulsory anyway and they want to show how compliant they are in advance.
I know. It is one of the hundreds of things that make me really angry.
“Ahead of the game, and proud of it!”
And they also make it easier for compulsion to be introduced – “Look, lots of people are doing it already, what’s the problem?”
I have several answers to those who say they’re quite comfortable in a mask:
“Bully for you, as we used to say at school”.
“Well done, do you want a medal?”
And a few more only fit for broadcast after 9pm.
The time is now 22:10. Please proceed
A reader with a scientific background has summarised the REACT survey for us
I wonder if Toby Young could get the reader with scientific background to do a blog post. While my assessment of the REACT projection is slightly less damning than theirs I agree pretty much with the general content. It is definitely based on old data and it is ridiculously pessimistic.
With regard to lockdowns, and shutting people in their homes, and denying their children an education, I think it’s time for a reappraisal. I’ve already posted something similar on Twitter, a couple of weeks ago.
There are four groups in play: lockdown fanatics, and lockdown/restrictions sceptics on either wing. Also in play, somewhere between the aforementioned positions, are the mask-wearing and the don’t-give-a-monkey’s-either-way groups;
For those who want, or who don’t mind living in, a restriction free society (lockdown sceptic and don’t give a monkey’s groups mainly, with some mask wearers) should have all Covid measures lifted immediately, and be allowed to just get on with their own lives. Situation normal, like it was in January. Kids in school, adults at work, mixing socially, seeing elderly relatives, free to move nationally and internationally, no compulsory masks, no social distancing. Just… normal. Within this society, those who wish to wear a mask, or socially distance, may do so, and their choice ought to be respected by the rest of us. It shouldn’t need saying that they must also respect our choice.
Now for those who want the current shitshow, with lockdowns galore, everybody stuck at home, no schools open, masks in bed, the whole shebang. This will include the lockdown fanatics (obviously), most of the masked and distanced, and possibly a few of the don’t give a monkey’s groups. These people can live in specially isolated towns, where the rest of us cannot pollute their pure lockdown. No schools, no factories, no companies to work for. They will, of course, have access to health services on the same terms we all
suffermust tolerate right now, online learning for their children, access to t’internet and Netflix, and be able to order food online. All utilities will continue to function. But households will not be allowed to mix.Now please do not imagine this is some sort of apartheid by ideology, this is a much different animal. This is because when they have had enough – and it will reach a point where they have had enough – they only need say so and they can rejoin the rest of us, back in normal land. With no stigma, just a welcome back to reality. A “guys, what took you so long?” kind of thing.
There would be no furlough for this second group, but everything they use will be totted up and a bill presented when they leave. They can either pay it in a lump sum, in instalments, or through taxes.
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I believe that this is a far more equitable way to sort this bug out. Those who are free can attain herd immunity and protect the vulnerable, while the others can hide from the nasty bug in their isolation. They will emerge when they have had enough; realise being locked away is getting bloody expensive and how on earth will they be able to pay for it all, it might even take a generation or two, worse than a blasted mortgage; or they can wait for a vaccine; or… well, that will be up to them.
My lords, ladies and gentlemen, I present for your consideration and, hopefully, approbation the Nick Rose Alternative Covid Plan: Mark One, Mod One.
Good plan but in that scenario i’m rubbing the lockdown fanatics noses right in it!
Yeah, you made your bed now lie in it!
You want to rejoin normal people, its gonna cost you.
Yes indeed. This is why people went to America.
Naturally this seems very reasonable to me. But it misses an important part of the problem, which is that many of the lockdown zealots are motivated as much by a desire for control and/or a covert unbridled sadism as they are by fear. It wouldn’t be acceptable to them for the rest of us to do what we want, beyond their control and their judgement. Some of them, at least, are enjoying how much we are suffering. They wouldn’t be willing to give that up.
Indeed, it is rather like religious fanatics (of any flavour). To quote (or probably, slightly miss quote) the great, late, Christopher Hitchens “they are not content to believe, they won’t be happy until you believe too”.
For those MPs planning to vote in favour of the Deadly lockdown this Wednesday
You will lose your seat if you vote in favour. Perhaps the realisation matters more to you than sentencing people to death by voting for the lockdown?
https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1323177308371505152
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El0KZ0oXEAAn0wC?format=png&name=medium
A good summary of the situation
I know a lot of people are sceptical about the government setting up quarantine / detention centres (concentration camps). There was the anonymous ‘leaked’ document from Canada about the camps – which obviously could be real or not.
This video actually does have links showing the official Canadian government documents about what sound an awfully lot like concentrations camps. Also there is a video of Theresa Tam who is in charge of the Canadian response openly talking about detention / concentration camps in the past (at 5.50). There will be camps unless we fight it, these people are completely evil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv8CVqc0a9g
While I don’t believe everything that came out of the “leaked” document — it hasn’t been verified — there are some things that are totally plausible. These quarantine facilities are springing up everywhere, not just in Canada, and I have no doubt they *could* be used for other purposes at some point in the future. Sure, facilities for international travellers who can’t properly quarantine, but I’ve also heard they will be offered to people in crowded households that don’t allow for “proper” quarantining which means it could easily go from voluntary to mandatory. That’s the slippery slope the “it’s just a piece of cloth” folks don’t seem to understand. Everything is voluntary, until it’s not.
The whole thing is a slippery slope, beginning with “quarantine” facilities for healthy international travellers who are travelling for legitimate and lawful purposes. You don’t place people with legitimate travel documents and legitimate reasons for travel into de facto immigration detention centres in civilised countries.
Even North Korea, to my knowledge, does not have a history of going quite so far.
So my local sandwich shop that I have made a conscious effort to support during the pandemic have implemented a binary rule of five within their shop. So throughout the winter if it’s busy I am to stand outside in the pissing cold Scottish Winter. That’s a customer lost and another semblance of normality gone.
Reading about the analysis of the REACT survey, it makes me feel more and more sure that these figures that are being rolled out every day aren’t genuine. Why should anyone bother gathering real data when they could just add a couple of hundred thousand here, take away a few hundreds there, and bingo! That should keep the plebs worried.
https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1323228240455094273
Filled with shame listening to a British PM produce so many lying claims, inane pronouncements, blase waving away of the huge damage to our economy and society and false promises.
The only thing that can be said is that Starmer would’ve been far worse.
Bryce Mitchell (MMA) issues anti-mask statement
https://twitter.com/MMAjunkie/status/1322771431609061376
If your vaccine is effective, why would you worry if I am not vaccinated?
Cause they have the sheeple believing that my mask protects them. They’re so stupid they haven’t quite figured out a mask is merely a filter, not a barrier, and the filter works in both directions.
Just seen on Twitter that the DVSA has cancelled all driving tests and training until 2nd December.
I’m absolutely fuming. I’ve sunk a lot of money into learning to drive lately (and I don’t have unlimited cash) plus this was meant to be my third attempt at passing my driving test in 4 years. I am desperate to pass because it is my final frontier into being 100% independent; I loathe relying on public transport and other people for lifts. I have a driving theory test booked for 9th December and was planning to take my practical test sometime in the spring of 2021, but no doubt that the dictator will extend the prison sentence beyond 2nd December causing a massive backlog and arse ache for everyone, delaying things even further and potentially leading to me losing a lot of my own money.
Not to mention how this will totally fuck over self-employed driving instructors. My first instructor was forced to wind down her driving instructing business after the first prison sentence and she ended up getting a job as a manager of a Covid-19 testing site, believe it or not. I felt so awful for her that she felt the need to pack in her business of 15 years and go and get a job in the only bloody industry that will be left after this self-imposed massacre, the Covid industry.
Debating whether to look into getting a cheap second-hand car but even that comes with its own financial risks and I don’t really have anyone who can sit with me for extended periods while I drive.
Beyond furious now. Can’t learn to drive, can’t see my bf, can’t see my friends, can’t have a proper university education, can’t go shopping, can’t go to any entertainment venues, can’t go abroad, can’t travel anywhere. I know a lot of people on here say ‘Just ignore the restrictions’ but I have a future graduate job that depends on me having a squeaky clean criminal record so I can’t risk any sort of fine.
My existence has been reduced to eating, shitting, sleeping, and studying in front of a screen. And some members of the public actually think this is acceptable.
The people making these decisions are simply psychopaths of the highest order and I won’t ever forget what they’ve done.
So sorry, Poppy. I will somehow absorb my anger on your behalf into the general state of outrage that I currently subsist in.
It’s hard not to be angry all the time, but for health reasons I limit my anger to about 20 hours a day.
Oh Poppy – I’m so sorry.
Sorry to hear this, a colleague of mine spent about 3 minutes in their test before failing – I was surprised that these days, when you “fail” you don’t even take the rest of the test. So he accidentally blocked some traffic and it was game over.
Driving is so “old normal” anyway, cars kill!!
I took my last two tests before this new rule was brought in, so instead of just stopping the test, I had to do the rest of it knowing I’d failed! Awful
Me too. I failed at the first turn out of the test centre due to some other driver undercutting and still had to do the rest. Took me 4 goes to pass after that trauma!
Because I am a tad autistic. I took my instructor literally when he said he doesn’t like people who hesitate. Right gotcha! I said.
After several wheel spins and Starsky and Hutch screeches and throwing the test man back in his seat several times I failed. But not once did I hesitate.
Quite a few years ago now but it took me six goes to pass. On one test I misjudged turning out of a junction and went over the kerb. On another there was a set of traffic lights at a turn junction only and I sat waiting for the permanent red lights to change – ‘follow the road ahead…’. Sorry to hear of your delays Poppy, probably affects the friend of my mate across the road who is booked for a test sometime this month.
Many years ago now, but I had a full blown row with examiner and still passed.
I failed twice – first time no hope, and the second knew I’d blown it a few minutes in, and then definitely blown it even worse a bit later.
Good luck on your test, whenever it is, and your existence comprises far more than you think – what an astonishing lesson this covid business is to learn young, however frustrating it might feel at the time.
I appreciate what you say about needing to have no criminal record – easy for people like me to forget that (I don’t have a CR by the way!).
Why do you need to drive anyway now eveything’s “virtual”?
Well virtually everything.
I’m not sure we will be allowed to use cars for much longer. They are so not net zero.
What about electric cars?
They are not net zero either
Just not local emissions
Another con
There are those electric scooters and of course here are lots of electric bicycles around these days.
Sorry to hear this Poppy. Like you I won’t ever forget and I won’t ever forgive.
The likelihood of being stopped is very low, so the likelihood of receiving a fine is even lower.
On the rare chance that you do get stopped, if you live alone you can use their “support bubble” nonsense against them. If you don’t live alone and they stop you, then just say you live with your boyfriend and you have started to do so because of this lockdown.
If they do fine you then apparently it’s not regarded as a “crime”:
https://crbdirect.org.uk/lockdown-offences-and-dbs-checks/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-lockdown-fine-challenge-court-police-robert-buckland-a9474926.html
I am furious on your behalf and on behalf of my own university-aged kids. My eldest has a boyfriend she met in August and they’ve never been out to a restaurant or gone to a movie together. My younger is away at university and won’t be able to come back for the holidays because she’d have to quarantine for 2 weeks and take 3 Covid tests upon her return — and that’s within my own country. My niece hasn’t been able to get her driver’s license either. As a middle-aged parent, I’d be more than willing to get back out into the world and take the “risk” to make life better for your generation. Our kids are NOT supposed to sacrifice for us; the older generations are supposed to sacrifice for our kids.
Sorry to hear that Poppy. My life is similarly reduced to a screen, my Zoom University (other platforms available) experience is going poorly, and campus is fucking horrible anyway. Us youngsters have been totally screwed over.
Also, I failed my second test because I was in a shitty car with a frequently stalling shot gearbox and wasn’t comfortable going up to the full 40mph speed limit on a sharp downhill, and an impatient arse in a land rover overtook. Still too annoyed to bother again. As for your bf, can’t you just use the “bubble” excuse if you’re ever challenged?
Our elder granddaughter started to learn to drive at the beginning of the year so when lockdown 1 happened, that put an end to that.
After a few months she resumed her driving lessons and got a job in a pub and just recently passed her theory test.
Now: no job,no driving lessons and no wages.
Covid, the hysterical overreaction; the madness that keeps on giving.
So sorry, Poppy. My son took 7 goes on his test. One test was cancelled because the examiner was ill, another on the day because it was deemed the roads were too icy. His driving instructor couldn’t understand why he kept failing. We did feel he’d never make it but he did, and he’s a fabulous driver.
Go see your boyfriend, make him your bubble. Or set up a student support group and invite him as speaker. Weekly. One must get creative.
Nice idea- I’d join that “support group” depending on the details.
Sorry Poppy, your generation really have a bum deal.
Can’t help with most of this Poppy, but you must see your boyfriend. Don’t let them take away your humanity. That can never be theirs.
Totally agree Sam. Without our humanity we are nothing.
Arnie.
I wrote my car off 5 hours after passing my test…
Sorry I know that doesn’t help, your comment triggered that thought. Not my finest moment. Sigh.
You will get there Poppy, you have a lot of people on here willing you on for starters. Stay strong and stay on course.
Arnie.
Poppy, go and see your boyfriend. We cannot let these buggers ruin all our lives as we have rights – rights that Parliament gave us under the Human Rights Act.
You will not be fined and it will not go on a DBS. Always have a reasonable excuse for being out of the house e.g. support a vulnerable person, get medication, go to an appointment, go to work. Refuse to answer any more questions after staing that reason. Unless in a car you don’t have to give your name to police. Unless detained you cannot be questioned further. Am I free to go officer? If they say no without arresting you you can fairly easily sue for compensation. They will not arrest you.
During the last lockdown I went to our local farm shop to buy dog food. If asked, there was always dog food in the car. I ended up with a stockpile. Perhaps Poppy could get a goldfish and rendezvous with her amour in the pet food aisle. Just don’t overfeed the fish.
There’s clearly a conscious plan to remove everything in life that allows us to better ourselves,improve our quality of life and simply just get a little piece of happiness.
I too will never,ever forget those that are guilty,in any way,of bringing this plan to fruition.
I have an image in my mind of all the Westminster traitors hanging from the lampposts around parliament but that wouldn’t make them suffer enough.
Draw and quarter them too.
To help you pass get some hypnotherapy.
Helped my daughter and wife (with who panic at tests etc) through their driving and motorcycle tests respectively.
My first driving test I failed as I threatened too punch the examiner’s lights out he was just an arsehole.
My wife took 6 attempts to pass he bike test – problems with examiner, long, funny story.
Don’t worry about failing, just don’t give up.
I just cannot bear to listen to the lies coming out of Bozo’s orifice.
“No alternative to a lock down, nhs will be overrun, people in need won’t be able to get treatment etc etc.”
He’s despicable.
He has just said that the measures will end on 2 December (but I cannot say that I found him convincing).
But just qualified that what happens after that will be put to a vote in the House. Just like this decision has been, presumably.
Hardly surprising given he said regional lock-downs were the way to go only a few days ago.
Everything he says is predicated on the idea that this is a deadly virus. In which case how can he predict anything?
Which year?
He is literally reading out the same guff he read out on Saturday, with the odd ‘Mr Speaker’ thrown in.
I notice Sunak doesn’t look comfortable. I wonder if the rows in Downing Street are still going on.
They must be a Conserative backbencher has just characterised the coronavirus measures as an authoritarianism that has violated the fundamental rights of the people.
Do they row? Because the press said they row? Good cop bad cop. Set up the next man.. another of their men.. a Goldman Sachs man. His wife put her staff at her luxury brand on furlough. I doubt it made him uncomfortable.
Why do you think the weekend’s press statement was delayed and delayed and delayed?
To let the national news pile on more fear.
Oh god is he making another speech?
A vile creature, if anything Starmer is worse.
Liam Fox asking Bozo if a committe should be formed to reassure the public that the cure is not worse than the disease. A bit of shy (yellow-bellied) scepticism?
Liam fox that is pro GM
It was the reference to it being a Privy council committee that most interested me – and seemed to shock Boris
“This ‘model’ would suggest that deaths will peak within a week or two, and after a month’s plateau at numbers between 250 and 300 per day, rapidly decline through December.”
Well, proving that lockdown worked is already in the bag.
There are plenty of old deaths yet to use when they need an uptick for political purposes. Like last week.
Charles Walker “I will not be supporting the legislation on Wednesday… That is all I have got left….If My constituents protest they get arrested” Go Charles!
Sorry for all the posts but I need to share this with somebody and the dogs don’t really get it.
No problem – just let it all out!
Don’t be.
He was very good when interviewed by John Craig on Sky earlier – he is genuine and passionate about this.
The prior question from Liam Fox was interesting – suggesting the establishing of a Privy council committee to investigate the response/data etc. Boris was noticeably ‘shocked’ by that. Suggest there might be something in the Queen arriving back in Windsor before lockdown??
Cheap tests! We’re saved!
He talks of attending your scans and appointments as normal. The fat twat is clearly not aware that the NHS has been cancelling those in the hundreds of thousands again.
Why would he be aware? I presume he goes to Harley Street.
Hot tip. Sunak gone by the end of the week
Can I sue if I lose the bet? (Don’t worry, the bet is only 10p)
I’ll stand you 10p.
Aw, thanks.
Someone posted on Guido this morning to watch Sharma today. No signs of any resignations yet – early days I expect. Will Whitty and Vallance survive past tomorrow’s Science & Technology committee?
I heard that early yesterday. Also heard Sunak on the radio this morning vigorously defending Yeltsin’s “track record”, which was depressing. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not about to walk away, I suppose, just seems to make it a lot less likely in my book … We shall see!
Is that a ” I have no intention of standing for PM ” support?
I don’t know about that, but I thought he looked uncomfortable in the Commons.
We need at least one resignation to get it started.
I know how we all feel about politicians, but regardless of everything that these people (Cabinet and associated ministers) may have been offered, I cannot believe there is not a single one without a concience.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/02/coronavirus-t-cell-immunity-lasts-least-six-months-even-antibodies/
Now all they need to do is work out that people can have T cell immunity without antibodies.
I don’t know about a second wave, but that was wave after wave of lies.
well stated
Boris has just said he will be happy to produce all the “data” that the decision has been based on. That should be very interesting.
Hopefully that will be coming out at the Science & Technology committee tomorrow, with some heavy-handed questioning of Whitty and Vallance.
Greg Clarke has just mentioned this. Really hope he is sending a shot across the bows.
I suspect there will be no scientific evidence presented, and there will be a lot of pseudoscience.
Have you seen that committee? When Carl Heneghan laid bare the quality of the PCR tests in the summer Dawn Butler was the most interesting questioner. Yes the others are that bad.
That will be an interesting read – an easy to rip apart.
Laughing all the way to the concentration camp.
A gentle message for those Britons who just want to keep calm and carry on.
Keeping calm and carrying on is what we want people to do. People who wear masks are not keeping calm.
lol Starmer is whipping to vote for lockdown.
Labour is no opposition party, they are as guilty as the conservatives
Well he is the establishment’s choice and should be PM now but the brexit vote scuppered that.
His reward for refusing to prosecute Jimmy Saville and the grooming gangs when he was head of the CPS.
He’s a complete establishment c**t, bought and paid for.
Please try and give the original video clicks and not the from the co-immunity page on Youtube. I’m not pleased that they keep taking content and not crediting the creators.
All around the cobbler’s bench
The monkey chased the weasel,
The monkey thought ’twas all in fun
Pop! Goes the weasel.
I’ve no time to wait and sigh
No patience to wait ’til by and by
Kiss me quick, I’m off, goodbye!
Pop! Goes the weasel.
Half a pound of tupenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle.
That’s the way the money goes,
Pop! Goes the weasel.
I’ve no time to wait and sigh
No patience to wait ’til by and by
Kiss me quick, I’m off… Goodbye!
Pop! Goes the weasel.
Jimmy’s got the whooping cough
And Timmy’s got the measles.
That’s the way the story goes,
Pop! goes the weasel.
My anger is rising to levels it has never reached before.We have just visited our friends and the husband,who has a compromised immune system is looking pretty ill,the reason is totally clear to me,he has suffering from intense mental stress due to the incessant overwhelming fear-mongering by the media.He is a bit older than us and from a generation that has always thought they could trust the media,especially the BBC,I have to admit for a large part of my life I trusted them to a certain extent too.
I’m not going to try and convince him that he doesn’t need to worry to the extent he is doing,I have first hand experience of mental illness as a patient and also as a long term carer for a close relative and just saying that what he is worrying about is not true will not help,it can make things even worse,the situation will need compassion and understanding if I am to help.
I am so angry at the mental torture that has,in my opinion,been deliberately inflicted on us all,as has been mentioned on here numerous times,it must be akin to a war crime.
I am pretty sure this is what my mum has. She has tummy issues anyway (diverticular) and holds herself very tense which probably exacerbates this. She has been on amytryptiline for a month or so because of the stress caused. But she keeps saying she ‘doesn’t feel right’ and can’t seem to explain it more than that.
I think maybe a different anxiety drug might be worth a try. I know some don’t agree with this on here but she does need to do something and her tummy is very sensitive. She has also lost her appetite.
She has gone for a swim for the first time since March today, and she loved it – she looked so much better when I picked her up afterwards. She is going tomorrow and on Wednesday and then the bastards take it away from her again. I am so angry like you. She isnt frightened of the virus – she understands that nothing makes sense and doesn’t believe all the bbc stuff. But she wants her life to be her own business. She says it is being taken from her. That is the cause of her stress and anxiety.
I will hate them for it forever.
It’s the little things in life that can make the difference between living and just existing and all those things are being taken away from us.
Earlier a friend told me that she doesn’t expect or even want much,she just wants the freedom to do things that give her contentment,having her hair done,meeting a friend for lunch,a browse around the shops,I don’t think that is much for someone who has worked hard all of their life to ask.Those causing all of the misery have absolutely no idea about the lives of ordinary decent people and what matters to us.
Both of you write to your MPs saying exactly that. Don’t bother with stats and tests, tell them your story. Make the bastards uncomfortable. Tug the heartstrings.
I agree. When we send them facts and figures they barely understand them and just reply with meaningless factoids easily refuted. We have to shame them with personal stories of the real human cost, cancer deaths, suicides, etc.
An MP with a heart…. a novel idea
Likewise, I don’t think I have ever been so angry with this country’s politicians in my life.
This evening will be spent writing to my MP.
I bumped into one lady colleague’s husband the other day. We exchanged pleasantries and I expressed my frustration at all the restrictions we suffer here north of Hadrian’s Wall. His response was along the lines of ‘well the government has to protect us’.
He is lost. I once thought he had brains. No more. Definitely off the dinner list.
Another friend, when I goaded her by saying that social distancing requirements were ‘government boll0cks’, replied with “That’s a bit alt-right isn’t it?”
The fear is incredible.
I don’t think I have ever felt so contemptuous of other people I know, and that’s not a good thing. I ask myself how they can not see how rotten this all is, and there’s no comfortable answer. The best I can see is that they just accept what they’re told and don’t enquire, and are therefore perplexed by someone who dares to challenge any of it.
Thumb me up if you knew prior to covid that most people were a bit too trusting and lacked the ability to research and think for themselves about issues…
But you have been completely blown away during this pandemic by just how gullible and obedient and compliant and bed-wetting people actually are.. you thought most people were slow.. but now you wonder how these people ever managed to hold a job at all or drive a car or have a family or buy a house or put up a shelf…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AB7IDw3PNI
It’s a thumbs-up from me, Chaos. I wonder how the hell most of these zombies manage to tie their own shoelaces each morning!
Haven’t you noticed there are hardly shoes which require laces? Because they are too dumb already.
You could be right. I remember most of the kids in the, erm …. “lower” sets at my school tended to wear “slip-ons”.
This time next year they will not be able to afford shoes
They just don’t know it yet
They’ll get state supplied shoes, and very nice they’ll be too, like the NHS glasses.
What? the shoes will look like glasses?
I’ll give you £1m for 2% of the company
Always use the “Turquoise Turtle Knot”
Ah! so you also know about the18th century campaign to prevent chelonians painting themselves blue
Top research
It’s the trusting bit rather than being thick, stupid, dim or whatever label you feel applies. People can’t fathom their government would lie on such a grand scale and the fear tells them to obey their potential saviours. Do not question those who are only doing their best to save us all…this is the mindset.
They are the type of people who live in laddy-dah world where bad things aren’t considered and personal pleasure is the main focus. They don’t want to hear of ‘depressing’ issues and just want their minds filled with light and fluffy thoughts. They are informed because they watch ‘the news’ on a daily basis and that’s that.
They also trust doctors. I’ve never understood why but to them, doctor knows best.
The average doctor is a Covid believer.
“People can’t fathom their government would lie on such a grand scale and the fear tells them to obey their potential saviours. Do not question those who are only doing their best to save us all…this is the mindset.”
In other words they are thick, stupid and dim.
“Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They’ll only be able to parrot the information they’ve been given on the previous night’s news.”
– Zbigniew Brzezinski
Just a quick update on my job situation I was celebrating on here a few days ago.
My new job is with a “non-essential business”. Yeah…
Emailed today asking how things would be going forward. Received a short reply saying they have no answers to give me at the current time. Locked down before officially signing the contract but accepted the offer through email. No clue if I’ll be furloughed or made redundant again.
Contacted my MP who was very apologetic but held that he had to support the Labour Party in a lockdown.
Things are looking very bleak for me I’m afraid.
Really sorry to hear that, Ricky. I can only suggest preparing mentally for the worst and hoping for the best. That’s my approach today. With you in spirit.
Sorry to hear that. As for the MP. Is he aware that he is there to represent his constituents?
For all of us but you are not alone.
Greg Clark just asked an interesting question ahead of Vallance and Whitty appearing in front of his committee tomorrow. In essence, ‘Is it the PM’s policy to have the least amount of restrictions consistent with controlling the virus and having the least amount of harm’. Boris said is was. This may well be a hook to skewer the hapless pair tomorrow.
They will just refer to their projections, and call them data, and pretend that lockdowns save those imaginary lives. They are practised pseudoscientists.
Not projections, “scenarios” Steve. In my book that equates to pure guesswork but it is not because it is loaded guesswork they still want to scare us.
It’s guesswork with formulas. The problem is it’s the formulas that give the illusion of well thought out reliable data.
They are contrived, and their quality is an absolute shambles, a fairly competent 6 year old could have done better.
And so many missed off the March to June segments which would have dwarfed the rises they were pushing, and the near horizontal rises now compared to the near vertical ones previously.
They should get Ivor Cummins to do the preserntations, his graphs are much better – in every way!
All they have to do is quote Whitty and ask him WTF:
“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
21st July 2020 in the Parliamentary Committee hearing on Health and Social Care.
On video:
https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-
Quite right, AG, he did say that.
And then the bastard got away with lying the night when the tiers were announced (I think it was that night, I’m looking for the text) when he told the public (while showing a graph of the ‘first wave’), “You can see the graph falling here, due to the effect of the lockdown.” (Not an exact quote) A complete lie!
So why will no-one, including Toby, report it?
I, grudgingly, owe Whitty an apology; I paraphrased slighty too much.
He showed a graph of the lastest ONS data (at the time) showing infections falling; his graph started at around April 30th. He said, “… the numbers of people with it went down really steadily through to the middle of June, thanks to the remarkable efforts of the entire nation.”
I still say he’s suggesting the lockdown did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRC4RU1R7QE (about 8 minutes in)
On the bright side most will die in the second wave
I’ve already been counted as two deaths, because I am overweight
Thank you for your contribution to the Tractor production figures
My letter in on-line British Medical Journal just published:
This is not a rational basis on which to actRe: Covid-19: UK government must “get its act together” as modelling suggests 85 000 deaths in second wave, experts say Elisabeth Mahase. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4242
Dear Editor
I also note the article by Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson in the Mail on Sunday based on the advice they delivered to the Prime Minister [1]:
“ Our strategy would be to tackle the four key failings. We must address the problems in the Government’s mass testing programme; we must tackle the blight of confused and contradictory statistics; we must make real efforts to protect and isolate those who are vulnerable; and we must inform the public about the true and quantifiable costs of lockdown…”
We are in an exceedingly dangerous position while we are at the mercy of endless worst case scenarios which do not have to be proven. Moreover, the wreckage of the policy is far more quantifiable than any benefit i.e we do not really either know how bad Covid is going to be or how much the policy will mitigate it, while we do know the catastrophic damage to everything else. To institute policy on this basis is without rationality.
[1] Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, ‘There is another way to beat coronavirus, PM – and here it is…’, 31 October 2020, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8900897/Oxford-experts-DR-TOM-J…
So cases, admissions and deaths are all going down according to the figures. Tomorrow will give a clearer picture as we’re past weekend figures but it seems that things have started dropping since the 28th, that cannot be a coincedence, surely?
Certainly not due to lockdown 2.0 that hasn’t even started yet. Its effect on those figures won’t be known for about 3 weeks.
Most countries seem to be showing reduced “cases”, I wonder how many of them published new or updated PCR test guidance within the last week…
Hi, Do you have links for the current (and previous) guidance? Ta
I can’t find an equivalent guide from earlier in the year: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cycle-threshold-ct-in-sars-cov-2-rt-pcr
Thanks
What have we changed it from/to?
Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock…
It feels like hitting your head against a wall, why can’t people see the obvious. Going around muzzled when you can send your ‘deadly’ test result through the mail, you need a test to see if you have it, children told not to see their grandmother, when she’s still there, still healthy, waving through the window, etc etc, When you can shop with a LANYARD and not a MUZZLE, and SURVIVE, people have lost all sense of reason and logic. Walking around the garden centre today, like zombies in their muzzles, as if it was a plague.
It’s a cult, bring on the Kool Aid
Yes it is, but a cult they are forcing all of us to join
You have a free will. You have a choice
Yes
Because they allow others to think for them; in this case, Johnson & chums, their friends on social media, the ‘experts’ on the BBC and in the papers.
I know that around 85% of the population are incapable of critical independent thought, but FFS, at what point does the light come on?
I know I’m addressing the 15% here, so we all see it, and most of us have from the start.
Whatever the issue, you know its a lie when you’re told you can’t debate it, or there is a consensus or the science is set, because science just does not work that way, at least proper honest science.
These people are led. The light will never come on for themselves even when they’re sitting there jobless. Someone they trust has to tell them. I’ve said before, all it would take is for Stephen Fry to announce on prime time BBC that he thinks the Pandemic is over and it would all fall apart.
ONLY when it hits them financially, That’s all they care for – their children’s well being, suicides, no more retail sector, mass redundancies, no health service, no arts etc etc not so much. I cannot fathom how stupid people seem to be.
Stupid and monumentally selfish.
Give them a wide berth: those masks must be like pathogen porridge by now.
Because most people think they might get it. Which is the biggest eye opener we all face. I saw my brother in law on Saturday and he looked worried. He’s 45 and “healthy” runs. Eats well. No family history. He thinks he is as vulnerable as an 80 year old….he seemed truly shocked when I explained he was wrong.
They actually don’t seem as if they want positive news, they want the worst case scenario every time, and I suppose that’s what they’re getting from the government. Maybe we have a country full of nanny state hypochondriac’s now
What a fucking idiot. Sorry I couldn’t help myself.
Infections still going down:
While we’re still hearing from the House of Commons, the new daily coronavirus figures have just been released by the government.
They show there have been a further 136 deaths, of people who had had a positive coronavirus test within the previous 28 days, bringing the total to 46,853.
There have been 18,950 new positive tests. It means 1,053,864 people in the UK have now tested positive for the virus since the pandemic began.
If they go down again tomorrow how they can possibly justify locking up a whole country for a month? And they will go down I’m sure.
And still under 1% of the population tested positive. A lot of the media now seem coming out and questioning our infamous duo’s forecasts.
But but but the model says 100,000 being infected per day!
See- lockdown is working already…
Imperial will ensure its not high enough and doom monger again next week to ensure that Dr Doom and his chum can pull some more funny faces on TV.
Halloween 2020 – two mad scientists and a mental patient on prime time BBC to tell the entire country of the doom we face ( if your other 80 ish with a couple of health issues )
I can’t imagine they go down on a Tuesday, they go up Tuesday by a large amount and I am sure they have about 100 stored up from September or before to throw on the bonfire. Either way, Imperial will ensure that they model badly enough to ensure they get another 100 million from Gates and co.
The magic number is 22,884, which was reported on 27 October, ie one week earlier. If tomorrow’s number is less than this, then the downward trend in the Gompertz curve continues.
As its an Agenda, figures will either be manipulated or ignored
Sorry, cross posted!
1 million plus people testing positive or 1 million plus positive tests?
Yep, probably 75% of those Covid deaths in reality have little or nothing to do with Covid or are simply displacing flu deaths, which is why we haven’t seen any rise in excess deaths – totally different from the Spring when we had over 60k excess deaths, Covid and non-Covid (the latter mostly related to the Lockdown Lunacy).
Yes, and 18,950 is the lowest positive PCR test number reported since 19 October, and the result is that the 7-day moving average falls by 277 from yesterday’s 23,016 to 22,739.
The 7-day average death count increases from 260 to 265 – a mere 1.9% increase.
So where are the signs of “doubling every 7 or 8 or 9 days” which we are being mendaciously told by the four horsemen of the apocalypse?
Indeed, what’s the point of the government publishing daily statistics, if SAGE can just invent some numbers with Mickey Mouse software applying basic algebraic calculations, but using input parameters that are clearly wrong. From my own experience this is typical behaviour for politically-motivated public health activists who are losing the argument – if the statistics don’t agree with your willful predictions, just create some new ones of your own, and hide their origin from well-deserved derision.
These people have the nerve to claim they are scientists. Don’t make me laugh!
I sat on the park bench and watched the cars. 20 went past, one was masked. Would be interesting to see at other times of day. I’ll observe.
18950 cases today. Poor showing for the week national lockdown is announced. Lowest daily reported cases since 19 Oct, two weeks ago. Presumably they’re saving some up for the vote on Wednesday.
This won’t be reported in the MSM of course.
I presume MSM stands for mendacious suppliers of mush?
But it’s down. Because of Reasons. And will be higher tomorrow because of you and me and our inability to do as we are told.
I tuned into the Johnson lies for about 5 mins. Couldn’t take anymore of the obvious ‘polite questions’ given to MPs on the screen, plus SNPs only bothered if Scots get furlough if their lockdown ends in Dec 21. You have to admit its clever, no pressure on him because the HoC is almost empty, this was thought through. Of course most MPs wouldn’t rock the boat anyway, they are only there because they are interested in power and the riches this job offers afterwards.
If the money keeps flowing from the magic tree, they will keep this going as long as is necessary to enact all the ‘NWO’ aims.
The only fly in the ointment is potentially an upset in the US elections ( again). And the more info coming from pennsylvania indicates it just might happen again.
Trump’s odds on Betfair have started to come in, although only a bit. Nate Silver seems to be suggesting it’s not the slam dunk he thought only last week. Fingers crossed for one of the biggest upsets vs the polls – well since 2016!
I’ve seen some videos on the pollsters’ methods which were giving those absurd 10 to 15 points leads to Biden. They assume for instance that septugenarian, senile, no show Biden would do better getting the Democrat vote out than Obama or FDR! Fake Polls to match Fake News. Having done their best to demoralise Republicans, they are now giving much smaller leads to Biden, but probably still inflating the margins. Remember, Trump can lose the popular vote by 3% and still win the Electoral College.
Anyone who thinks Trump isn’t going to win by the hugest amount ever in the history of America must be one of them dumb as shit left tossers. Though saying that i do love the sound of a lefty bleating in the morning
Great comment by NewlandsWanderer on mercola.com Mask article today
^^^^^This^^^^^
Excellent!
twitter.com/…/1320123541380079617
Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!
I’d stay in Thailand if I were you. At least you’ve got the weather and can get a nice suit/dress made for about sixty quid!
I believe we have an almost exact parallel with the WMD saga with the agenda being seized by an unprovable risk.
Stopped wearing a mask today. Felt a bit better.
glad for you. mask-free with 3 (unmasked of course!) children in
Halfords, TK maxx, Lidl, Boots and the library today. Lots of possibly
envious? looks. No questions asked.
People do give you odd looks don’t they, what a difference a few months makes, who would have thought a whole face would have brought a reaction.
Well done.
Congratulations! and thank you. Every single person can make a difference.
Congratulations!
Enjoy breathing. It helps.
Welcome back to the world of smiles and free breathing!
I’ve just written to my MP as follows:
I wrote to you back in April asking you to bring pressure to bear on the Government to end the lockdown
I write again to urge you to oppose the Government’s decision to impose a second nationwide lockdown from Thursday November 5th
In England alone, there were 34,300 fatalities caused by the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2014/15, according to Government figures. To the best of my recollection, not a single shop, school or place of worship was shut. No NHS app was created, no question was asked in the House and no press conference, delivered by an ashen-faced Prime Minister, delayed the start of Strictly Come Dancing
I remember the 2015 H1N1 pandemic very clearly because I had to call an ambulance for a friend of mine who had succumbed to the disease. She was taken into the ICU and placed in an induced coma for several weeks. When she finally emerged from hospital months later, she was in a very fragile state, requiring 24-hour oxygen and constant nursing until she died in February 2018 just after her 50th birthday
For the life of me, I do not see how it is possible for the Government to have treated two pandemics of similar magnitude in terms of fatalities so differently
If pushed, I’ll accept that a 3-week lockdown in March was appropriate so that data could be gathered to properly assess Covid-19. However, given that no thought whatsoever was given to the likely consequences of a lengthy lockdown, the measure should have lasted no longer than 3 weeks
As the months progressed, it ought to have been blindingly obvious to any scientist worth her salt that the correct way of tackling Covid-19 was that of Sweden – along the lines of the much-maligned Great Barrington Declaration. Sweden (a more urbanised country than the UK) currently experiences a daily average of 2 Covid-19 fatalities and a forecast 8% loss of GDP this year, as opposed to an estimated 20% in the UK.
Moreover, its citizens will not have been reduced to fearful, frightened shadows
Do any of you in Westminster realise the damage you’ve inflicted upon this country? The millions of people whose businesses have failed, whose livelihoods have been lost, whose marriages have ended, whose mental and physical health has suffered, whose education has been disrupted, whose liberties have been trashed and whose lives have been ruined?
Earlier this year, a little cafe opened up in a street near me. I don’t know the proprietors personally, but I watched them decorate, refurbish and equip the premises, and their obvious pride when opening day came … only to be followed a week or two later by the lockdown. To their credit, they tried to keep things ticking over by offering takeaways when the lockdown eased, until such time as they were permitted to re-open
I hope against hope that this poor little business will survive after November 5th, but how many businesses will fail the length and breadth of the land because they cannot trade?
Take the case of another friend of mine. Around the start of the lockdown, she noticed a growth on her back which had started to bother her. She contacted her GP but, because of Covid-19 restrictions, she was only able to receive a telephone consultation. In the meantime, she was made redundant but, being a determined sort, found another job and embarked upon an extensive training course in mid-September
Just before the course started, she finally secured face-time with a doctor who did some tests. Half way through her course, she received a phone call to say that she has an advanced stage melanoma. She will undergo surgery on November 10th, assuming the operation is not cancelled as a result of the lockdown. The failure of a telephone consultation to assess her condition properly, and the consequential delay, is likely to have cost her very dearly
Look … this is no way to run a country. The Government cannot continue its fatuous, forlorn pursuit of Covid-19 to the exclusion of all else that makes life worth living
As Benjamin Franklin once remarked, ‘those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety’
As WHO envoy Dr David Nabarro said to Andrew Neil recently, ‘we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method’
Therefore I urge, nay I implore you, to speak out on Wednesday against this misguided, myopic approach of the Government so that we may all begin the Herculean task of putting the country back together again
Yours sincerely
So, it’s blood, toil, tears and shite until Spring trips around again next year.
Locked down throughout the Brexit Crashout Implementation Period with the survivors to emerge, blinking, into the dystopian wasteland and blasted heath of the new normal sunlit uplands.
Will the survivors envy the dead, as used to be asked in another context?
No no, you’re wrong, it’s going to be wonderful. Haven’t you seen the TV ads full of smiling workers urging us to get ready for leaving Europe?
My first thought was, how the f*ck can anyone get ready when we’re all locked down.
Yeah but maybe they mean ‘get ready to get ready’?..
My letter went to my MP and all the 1922 committee. Plus I have sent to Starmer too earlier today. No way do Labour get any credit or support out of me for the rest of my days same as the Tories.
What astonishes me most is the mantra in parliament today about protecting lives over jobs. So unacceptable to let anyone die these days. Like death is a technical error and technology and big government hand in hand will save your life forever. It’s Fantasy. Never more so that using an ineffective NHS as a way of saving people. It’s never been very good and never ever will be. It’s not got the capacity necessary for the bloated population this small country carries. And it’s always always at “near capacity” as that’s how the fucking thing is run.
Civil unrest is coming. It’s the only logical reality and I will blame every idiot in a mask and every murderous bastard who pushed for lockdowns. This country is a socialist nightmare of epic proportions.
Sorry to disappoint but your letters will be filed under ‘B’
For Bin
Next time don’t waste your time.
Send the money for the stamps to me so I can buy half a loaf of bread
Email does not cost a stamp. What’s your problem why are you picking a fight ?
I’m not, but its the equivalent of writing to a child abuser and asking them if they would consider stopping
Come to think of it, they are actually child abusers
Although of course you have no context about what I wrote, what evidence or point of view I submitted or anything like that, so I should explain that I expressed my contempt for the policy and the party and that the consequences for them will be the same as for many of us long term, they will lose their jobs and public anger is growing. I would agree that “asking” them to do anything is expecting too much
Anyway don’t wish to argue.
Except Ted Heath, he didn’t rape boys in the ass and then kill them and dump their bodies from his boat with Jimmy Savile. It never happened. I don’t for one second believe rubbish like that.
But he did. The police actually (astonishingly) admitted that there was enough evidence to question him under caution. Also, why do you think that his first boat (Morning Cloud) was set on fire and sunk “in a storm” just when DNA analysis was starting to be thought of as a forensic tool?
I was never misguided enough to think they have an audience. But at least I did / said something. As I will continue to do.
Sorry if that’s not good enough.
The contempt is not directed at you. It’s contempt for the people you are writing to.
I could never bring myself to ask anything of them, I’d rather cut my arm off
I share your contempt. Which is why I felt and feel compelled to point that out, along with evidence that they might think can be disregarded but it cannot be.
Well done – every drip on the stone helps – we each work in our own way.
This and my refusal to ever mask or be accepting of the new normal are small contributions. Plus with a Risk Assessment background I hope I have been able to guide others as to how to challenge a lot of the flaws in the way society is opting to work “safely”.
Every little helps.
Nudge, nudge, nudge the bastards into the abyss that awaits him.
I was shocked to read the following words quoted above.
>>>>Who noticed the small print at the bottom of the graph, illegible on the version flashed before us during the press briefing but visible in the slides published online: “these are scenarios – not predictions or forecasts”? Oddly, there was no source listed for these graphs – we were told only that they come “from a number of academic modelling groups”. <<<
I don’t have a television so I didn’t see the graph “flashed up”. Not properly dwelt on or explained! – no key to explain what all the confusing lines and shadows meant? – what were the premises on which each ‘scenario’ was made?
No provenance. It is hard to tell how many predictions/scenarios are being shown – four apparently.
I saw the graph first on a Spectator webpage and couldn’t make head nor tail of them. I didn’t realised the image had been used to scare the nation witless.
This is very shoddy.
After Blair’s dodgy dossier business you’d think the public would be guarded. But ’tis another set of politicians in charge of course.
Ned, some people suggested (I think it was the Telegraph) that the graphs looked fuzzy on TV, possibly to hide the ‘disclaimer’ at the bottom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CGfmUtkt-o&ab_channel=ReigniteDemocracyAustralia
Just skip to 9:00. Victoria used to be part of the free world.
There was a time in my life, i.e. the previous 58 years before this one, when I wouldn’t have believed that what I see in that video would ever happen in a ‘free’ country.
Good for her for standing her ground!
Its truly astonishing.
Apologies if this has already been posted, but good to see a ‘mainstream’ study show what we here already took to be self-evident. I don’t think I needed any more evidence than being cooped up at home with my wife for a fortnight on paternity leave in March, suspecting I had it, subsequently testing positive for antibodies and wife not.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/02/coronavirus-t-cell-immunity-lasts-least-six-months-even-antibodies/
Great to see – also in the DM. Proves SAGE are telling fibs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8905177/Covid-19-patients-cellular-immunity-against-coronavirus-six-months-infection.html
Adamb – same happened to me and wife in March – I was antibody positive and the wife was not.
I am posting excerpts from my MP Caroline Lucas recent e-mail for everyone’s perusal. What comments would you all make on this? I am posting in sections because the letter is long.
Dear All,
Thank you for writing to me with your thoughts about the Covid-19 pandemic and the Government’s response.
The reality of Covid-19: testing, cases, hospitalisations and deaths
Some constituents (although not everyone receiving this message) have written to me questioning whether the Covid pandemic is real.
The death and infection rates have not been exaggerated and I take very seriously my responsibility to challenge the spread of misinformation. This is a devastating global public health emergency, and there have been over 1 million deaths worldwide: https://covid19.who.int/
I am regularly in touch with doctors and nurses, and the following video, from April, shows what it is like inside a Covid-19 Intensive Care Unit:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-52190961. This article, also from April, provides a moving reminder of the dangers: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52242856 Sadly, despite this, there is a great deal of misinformation circulating on social media.
For the latest UK data, this link takes you to the latest numbers on testing, cases, hospitalisations, and deaths:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
As you may have heard on the news, the number of UK deaths is now at 45,675 (a figure that includes only people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus and other measures suggest the number of deaths is higher) and the latest daily total for the UK was 310 deaths. I have no doubt that the families of those who have died, and the frontline NHS workers who still risk their own lives everyday, would want to underscore that Covid19 is devastating and all too real.
Yes it is (in most places was) a real pandemic. The only really reliable way to measure the impact is to look at excess deaths.
Nobody is denying that there were some. But as it turned out it was no worse than a bad flu year. If you think that was because of lockdown you have to explain why. It looks more likely that we would have had quite a few thousand fewer excess deaths if we hadn’t overreacted and shut down the NHS “to protect it”.
Even more shocking are reports that the over 70s were being left to die at home while we were so proud that our ICU capacity wasn’t overwhelmed. Those empty ICU beds could have been used to save real people instead of being saved for the under 70s who never needed them.
The question is not how severe it is but what are you going to do about it. There is no virtue in self-harm for its own sake.
Nearly all the government daily Covid-19 data reported today appears to be going in a positive direction, particularly for England (Wales not so good) – reported cases lower than last Monday and no apparent growth since 18 Oct. Hospital data also seems to have plateau’d. Zoe Symptom study new cases also seem on a plateau. Where is the virus out of control data coming from other than 3 week old modelling?
I doubt they are responding to actual data in any sincere or meaningful way. They are looking for ways to use data to present whatever message they want to get across at the time
They have locked down at this point because they hope to hoodwink us all into believing they beat the virus rather than nature.
King Kanute stopped the tide didn’t he? Oh, wait…
Don’t forget Canute was a wise man who was showing up his sycophantic courtiers for the lying toads they were!
He was still a bit if a Cnut though.
King Canute will be forever remembered, quite wrongly, that he claimed he could stop the tide.
He never claimed he could stop the tide. He used it as an example to his ‘toadies’ to prove that he wasn’t all powerful, not the other way round.
If so, they’ve done it just a little bit late if things continue to plateau…
Exactly, Julian. Just like they justified muzzles in shops with 107 (supposedly covid) deaths of shop workers, from a population of 65 million. Or if you like, approx 2 hours worth of normal, daily deaths.
Wouldn’t “bad” figures for Wales be a good thing, in that they undermine the circuit breaker concept?
Notice the deathly silence from the media and in particular Drakeford on the lack of success of his ” measures”.
Firebreaks make it worse then. It’s obvious… they should have done a circuit break instead.
Schoolboy error.
Ever tried breaking a fire?
Reports that PHE’s estimate of 4000 fatalities a day by December was not based on the most recent data available is certainly interesting. The question now is whether a case can be made that the projections presented by Whitty and Vallance on Saturday were deliberately misleading and tantamount to fraud. The threat of legal action against SAGE members might make them think twice about indulging in blatant scaremongering.
Politically I remain on the left. However I cannot vote for Starmer’s Labour for any number of reasons and why I disagree with most of Farage’s views I would be prepared to vote Reform UK on the basis that the lockdown must be actively opposed and no other party is prepared to do so.
Once again Farage’s judgement of the public mood is preternatural.
I think he needs allies from the “left” to avoid scepticism being seen as a right wing/Trump only view. Not that left/right means anything at the moment. He certainly needs someone in Scotland with Holyrood elections approaching
He will bring huge suport to our side. You’ll see.
I believe you are right Andrew. Fingers crossed!
He gets things moving, and in this case, it’s definitely in the right direction.
I feel the same way, Sceptical.
It’s a bitter pill to swallow but I have to say, a bitter pill is better than a living death.
I welcome you comments Sceptical, I am right wing by nature but will work with anybody, of any political, religious, sexual or any other persuasion to fend off this threat.
If we are all dead or locked up it doesn’t matter what our persuasion is.
When we are back to normal (no, not the new version) I will be quite happy to resume hostilities, over a pint or a cuppa obviously, and disagree quite happily with anybody.
Until this existential threat is gone I call a truce on all of our differences and will stand shoulder to shoulder with any that disagree with this madness.
Arnie.
Same here.
This is a fight against elemental evil. ‘Right’ and ‘left’ just don’t mean anything in that context.
The left? What you mean is despite much evidence that socialism is an anathema to humanity you’re still not prepared to live from your own efforts and are insisting that my efforts are taken from me by force to give to you.
Me too. Absolutely. It’s almost giddying. I was basically in favour of Corbyn. Now I yearn for the local elections, so that I can vote for Nigel Farage. Nothing is more important than ending this totalitarianism.
It’s like attitudes to Trump. I am praying for his victory. A year ago I couldn’t stand the man.
The humiliation one must feel at a photo from the 80’s if you had a mullet is nothing compared to realising that you voted for Corbyn, phew. I’d probably not tell anyone i was a Corbyn supporter, it’s like saying i was glad Jim Fixed it For Me
I rejoined the Labour Party because of Corbyn. And would still vote for him although Chris Williamson would have been better in retrospect.
There are times when we have to hold our nose. This is one of them. The thing to remember about Nigel Farage is that those who vote for his parties do so not because of who he IS, but because of who he IS NOT.
:o))
There are other parties I think, namely Heritage and Reclaim, but both much smaller and also basically on the right.
I understand what people say about fighting together against coronapanic insanity, but in reality I think we desperately need a party of the left that will stand against lockdown and threaten Labour safe seats.
I suppose while Labour is in turmoil due to the internal war for control between the two leftist factions, and the “Conservatives” have a huge majority anyway, it is most important to threaten “Conservative” MPs from the right, but that situation won’t be here forever.
Forgot, there is the SDP which has come out anti-lockdown.
I am posting excerpts from my MP Caroline Lucas’ recent circular e-mail on here for comments as I would be interested to hear people’s reactions to her interpretation of the coronavirus “crisis”and renewed lockdown.
Dear All,
Thank you for writing to me with your thoughts about the Covid-19 pandemic and the Government’s response.
The reality of Covid-19: testing, cases, hospitalisations and deaths
Some constituents (although not everyone receiving this message) have written to me questioning whether the Covid pandemic is real.
The death and infection rates have not been exaggerated and I take very seriously my responsibility to challenge the spread of misinformation. This is a devastating global public health emergency, and there have been over 1 million deaths worldwide: https://covid19.who.int/
I am regularly in touch with doctors and nurses, and the following video, from April, shows what it is like inside a Covid-19 Intensive Care Unit:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-52190961. This article, also from April, provides a moving reminder of the dangers: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52242856 Sadly, despite this, there is a great deal of misinformation circulating on social media.
For the latest UK data, this link takes you to the latest numbers on testing, cases, hospitalisations, and deaths:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
As you may have heard on the news, the number of UK deaths is now at 45,675 (a figure that includes only people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus and other measures suggest the number of deaths is higher) and the latest daily total for the UK was 310 deaths. I have no doubt that the families of those who have died, and the frontline NHS workers who still risk their own lives everyday, would want to underscore that Covid19 is devastating and all too real.
‘The death and infection rates have not been exaggerated…’
Meaningless without references. Read the NHS doctor’s comments on deaths, referenced in the latest news article above. No-one knows the true figure for deaths from covid 19, certainly not the ONS which has a number of different definitions. Infection rates? There is no definition of ‘infection’, nor does the PCR test confirm infectiousness:
‘These studies provided limited data of variable quality that PCR results per se are unlikely to predict viral culture from human samples. Insufficient attention may have been paid how PCR results relate to disease. The relation with infectiousness is unclear and more data are needed on this.’
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/
The only rock solid reliable data from the ONS is overall all cause mortality, plumb normal for the time of year.
So why not ask Ms Lucas: if overall all cause mortality in this country is normal, as it is according to ONS figures, what problem, exactly, are these draconian, illiberal and profoundly economically destructive measures designed to address?
And then ask her to show you the cost/benefit analysis is that justifies these measures…….
Cue tumbleweed………….
Extract from Caroline Lucas e-mail to constituents
Government restrictions and lockdown laws
This is a very difficult time and I know that the measures the Government has implemented are causing real hardship for many of you. There are very serious questions to be asked about strategy, planning and implementation, and please be assured that I am asking them. I am in close dialogue with medical experts and it is vital that the Government’s decisions follow the best independent medical evidence.
I am not an epidemiologist so I think it’s important to be very careful about making judgements, but I have noted the disquiet amongst some in the scientific community about the Government’s strategy to date. I have been in regular touch with Ministers, and with Public Health England, to hold them to account and ask difficult questions as and when I think they are warranted. I want best practice to drive our approach, and that includes learning all we can from international experience. I have been making this case to Ministers at every opportunity and this will continue to be my focus.
Despite the heroic efforts of the NHS and the sacrifices of all who have adhered to the restrictions, we cannot underestimate how dangerous this virus is for some people. As set out above, the death statistics remain grim.
We now face a second wave of this terrible disease. Getting the right balance of measures is incredibly difficult – for example, we know that there are indirect deaths from people not seeking treatment for other conditions and that the restrictions are having a huge toll on people both mentally and physically.
Turning to those laws, this helpful note from the independent House of Commons Library explains there have been many laws passed in response to the coronavirus pandemic, some of which were made under existing public health legislation. Separately, there was also new primary legislation, the Coronavirus Act 2020, and this further note from the Library gives an overview of the Bill that became the Act.
Extract from Caroline Lucas e-mail to constituants
Coronavirus Act 2020
As some of you know from previous correspondence, in late March I voted for the Coronavirus Act and the provisions which enabled the Government to take the country into lockdown should the evidence warrant it.
I continue to follow the evidence very carefully and there is no doubt that this pandemic is real, significant and requires extraordinary measures. At the same time, I am worried by the way in which the Government has used the powers in the Coronavirus Act to go beyond what’s required and to avoid being held to account.
Parliament understands the unique situation we are in and the need for some decisions to be made swiftly, but its consent should still be sought at every possible opportunity. The Government’s failure to do so represents a dangerous attack on democracy.
Recently, MPs voted on a motion to renew the powers set out in the Coronavirus Act. I was one of just a handful of MPs that voted against the motion as it stood, because I think the powers afforded the Government and various agencies etc have run their course and that time should be called on them. In particular, I am concerned about problems caused for social care, the way in which borders can be closed, elections suspended, people locked up and legitimate protests banned under the current legislation.
I set out my position in more detail in this comment piece for the Metro and I hope you will find it of interest: https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/29/be-warned-the-government-is-using-the-pandemic-as-an-excuse-to-grab-more-power-13342412/
The first coronavirus legislation was actually on the 10th February 2020, not March.
This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020. It is now revoked.
This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.
Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:
This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.
How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?
Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?
As this was part of a FOI request answer then either the above is the only advice given by the CMOs or the DHSC have withheld more detailed advice.
Then on the 19th March 2020 the coronavirus was downgraded and was no longer classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease.
On the 23rd March 2020, the Prime Minister announced the start of the “lockdown” and the relevant legislation was written, laid before Parliament and commenced the 26th March 2020.
So what we have is:
– issue of medical (non)advice 30th January 2020 which was used as the declaration of “serious and imminent threat” for all future legislation
– legislation introduced 10th February 2020
– downgrade the disease 19th March 2020
– announced the population imprisonment 23rd March 2020
– introduce legislation 26th March 2020
– and so it continues 7 months after “3 weeks to save the NHS” with no end in sight
Isn’t something wrong with this scenario?
Extract from Caroline Lucas e-mail to constituents.
Restrictions separate from the Coronavirus Act
Whilst I voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act 2020 as it stood, I want to be clear that does not mean I am against all measures and restrictions designed to try to prevent the spread of the virus.
I look at every policy individually – for example, I fully support the policies on face-coverings and social distancing but I am concerned at the lack of evidence for the effectiveness of the 10pm ‘curfew’ and about evidence it may be counterproductive.
I am a member of the All Party Group on Coronavirus and we have been taking evidence for some months, including on the outcome of social distancing and other Government measures. It’s early days to be assessing the impact of some measures, though it is clearly the view of the Chief Scientific and Medical advisers that the lockdown saved lives – and that without it we would be looking at an even worse death toll than we face today. As you are no doubt aware, discussion has been growing for a while now around whether we locked down too late – indeed Ian Boyd, a member of the SAGE Committee that advises the Government, has made remarks to this effect: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52764645
There are also serious concerns that the Government has not been heeding the advice of its scientific advisers, after minutes of their meetings were recently revealed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54518002. It’s my view that the Government has for some time been sending very mixed signals and undermining the value of clear, consistent messaging for keeping people safe. It is not clear that Ministers had a solid basis for lifting restrictions in the summer. Many from the scientific community worry that we have been acting too quickly and it may be that the resurgence of the virus is a consequence of this. I have been raising my concerns about this with Ministers on a regular basis.
Nice to have you here Kate. We must be doing something right.
England’s hospitals will be overrun SAGE tells us. Really?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Daily count of confirmed COVID-19 patients in hospital at midnight the preceding night.
31-10-2020: 9,213
01-11-2020: 9,077
DOWN by 136!
Bear in mind, also, that they are currently claiming 1000+ ‘admissions’ per day into hospital in England. So that number, i.e. down by 136, includes a likely 1000+ going into hospital on 01/11/2020.
Weekend, or not, if the plague was as bad as they say hospital numbers would never come down. Yet they do!
More likely that the NHS will overwhelm SAGE
Patients in ventilation beds is also pretty stable over the last few days…
I’m pretty sure 1000+ per day is about what is expected for the time of year.
Patients who have had a + pcr test.
Accepted, S. I’m aware of the con.
Please see my previous posts on Admissions, especially this one (14/10/2010):.
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272
Spotted by and covered in more detail by Toby’s NHS surgeon friend here (15/10/2020):
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid
Final extract from Caroline Lucas’ e-mail on coronavirus and the restrictions.
Anti-vaccination campaigns
I am very concerned about the current rise of anti-vaccination campaigns. These are dangerous. They can spread unfounded fears which can undermine confidence in vaccination programmes designed to protect people, including children, from serious preventable diseases. The consequences of not being vaccinated against eg polio or measles can include amputation of an arm or leg, paralysis of limbs, hearing loss, convulsions, brain damage, and death. Recent anti-vaccination campaigns have seen the re-emergence of measles, as MMR vaccination rates have fallen below safe levels.
In relation to the current pandemic, there are a number of conspiracy theories circulating and I think that their promotion is grossly irresponsible and dangerous. Sadly, it seems to be spreading, as discussed in this Evening Standard article. It is particularly irresponsible that the anti-vaccine movement is pushing out misinformation during the current crisis given the fact that a vaccine is going to be absolutely critical in helping us emerge from the current and very real Covid19 crisis.
If you would like more information on the issue of vaccines in relation to Covid19, please don’t hesitate to let me know and I will send you more detail.
Grossly irresponsible, eh Kate? Unlike telling us that hundreds of thousands will die unless we submit to slavery, and with zero public scrutiny.
This site does appear to finally have been noticed by the pro lock down mob.
or 77 brigade. Who knows??
Yep, I am posting a circular e-mail from MP Caroline Lucas.
The initial post is still awaiting approval. I explained what I was doing in that post, which is not up yet, – hence the confusion.
Come on, let’s hear your replies to our answers to you.
#Be Afraid
You
We are on your case
We’re still waiting. You come here and tell us what’s what. Where’s your courtesy to reply to the answers you receive?
For what reason? Would it not be more impactful for Caroline Lucas to pass such an email on to Toby so that he can post (or not) such a correspondence on the main page. I’m sure he’d be happy to hear from an MP.
how do you get a gig working for the 77 Brigade? I could sit all day annoying people on the internet if the price was right.
It involves selling your soul to the devil. Your local Covid Marshall should be able to help with applying.
I recon the covid Marshall’s are the rejects.
The devil already got my soul, sold it to him for a bit of dope that never runs out.
Sounds like a very fair deal
Better pay than a Chinese serf gets paid by the PLA.
Provoking anti vaccination comments could get the site banned. Personally I am a vaccination sceptic.
‘vaccination sceptic’ not a bad term!
Freedom of speech, so long as we can’t discuss the pros and cons of vaccination?
as opposed to the pros and cons of proper sewerage and clean water and a healthy diet?
Well, presumably they are revealing who they are to the webmaster. They’d better be frightened of the consequences of lying and deceit.
Hey Kate
Do you realise that globally there are thousands of lawyers building a case for crimes against humanity? How do you fancy standing trial at The Hague?
I think you should be telling your pals about the consequences of being found guilty of such a crime.
appears to be Caroline Lucas
Yes, well she had definitely better vote against lockdown.
Be afraid Caroline – be very afraid. We’re on your case as regards the monstrous lies you tell on the climate as well.
I think it IS Caroline Lucas. Well I never.
.
A compliment, surely?
The vaccine will be critical? Really? At best by even GSK’s standards it will “only take the edge” symptoms of any SARS2Cov infection. Any vaccine for “covid19” wil not provide immunity or prevent it’s transmission.
Fake news? Really are you serious? Everything on main stream media is censored to hell and back and rammed with mind bending propaganda pretending to be real news and data.
Perhaps if you and your ilk stopped thinking like politicians for a few minutes you would start to understand the damage being caused. You and you colleagues in the HoC (the whole public sector for that matter) have “no skin in this game”. You haven’t has to sit back and watch you hard earned business be decimated; your pension funds fall in value, worry about whether you’ll be able to food on the table for your kids. Away with you.
Lucas is your archetypal Green. Talks the hind legs off a donkey but never really “SAYS” much.
Cut to the chase. What’s her angle?
She either votes against Yeltsin this evening or she votes AGAINST the British people.
The thing about Caroline Lucus is she knows a lot of stuff that aint true. She’s one of them people that you just know will be wrong on absolutely everything she says. I know this because she never reads anything that doesn’t confirm what she already believes. She’ll never be anything other than a self satisfied smug git threatening my energy supply while living in a big house on a huge salary paid for by mugs like me.
She doesn’t live in a big house. Fairly ordinary terraced house. I’ve met her a couple of times. Nice lady. Very approachable and very good MP. I don’t know her views of n Covid though
This “fairly ordinary terraced house” i suspect will have been paid for with my money. She’s never done a days work that has generated a penny.
I wrote a song to the tune of Every Breath You take in her honour
Every word she speaks,
every meal she eats,
every satin sheet, every sugary sweet
it’s costing me
Every single day
every single way
never goes away, here to stay
and it’s costing me
oh can’t you see
she belongs to me
my heart breaks
with every expense she takes
and even promise she breaks
every vow she fakes
every smile she fakes, every fart she makes
i’ll be paying for her
oh can’t you see
she belongs to me
my heart breaks
with every expense she takes
etc
Let kate take the vaccine and we’ll monitor how if effects her for the following thirty years, if after that there appears to be no issues with it then maybe i might be persuaded to take it.
I would suggest all MP show what good and responsible citizens they are and volunteer to a man (or woman) to be the first in line for the new jab. No plastic caps over the needle though…we’ll be watching.
I would suggest ‘pro-informed choice’, and by that I would clarify this should address all the negatives of vaccines be they new or old, including how they are tested, how effective they are (in relation to the actual virus/illness), what the harm could be from said vaccine, how its monitored long term (it at all), is the placebo test from another comparable vaccine or an actual placebo etc etc.
You don’t have to be anti-vaccine to do a risk/reward assessment and find a Covid vaccine wanting. If you’re a young person with a statistical chance of dying from Covid near zero, why would you risk taking a rushed-to-market vaccine? It’s a solution looking for a problem. The most at-risk population (the elderly) doesn’t mount a significant enough immune response to vaccines and those who do, don’t need a vaccine. Like lockdowns, the vaccine “cure” might very well be worse than the disease. All vaccines carry risk — this is not disputed — just read the package insert for any vaccine and you will see the list of potential side effects.
Sending hugs, kh
It’s good to see you here every day
You’re another huge inspiration to me
Never go to the doctors for Drugs you’ll get better shit from your local taxi firm or Pizza shop
Or ice cream man
At least it’ll taste better.
And I want a flake in mine.
There is some fake news about vaccines out there but there are also valid concerns about the safety of a new coronavirus vaccine that is being rushed out very quickly.
All the vaccine candidates for SARS1, the closest known relative of SARS2 caused disease enhancement in monkeys. None of the SARS2 vaccine candidates so far have, which is great news, but severe Covid has enough in common with severe SARS1, in particular as regards immune system imbalance, that there remain concerns about this. A vaccine works by priming the immune system, and severe Covid is characterized by immune system malfunction. This is what makes it such a risky business.
There will also be some severe adverse reactions as there are with most vaccines, especially at the high doses being used for SARS2 vaccines. Given the low risk of the actual disease to most people even this may be an unacceptable tradeoff for many.
Everybody should have the risks of both the disease and the vaccine explained to them and make their own decision.
Don’t assume that everyone promoting a vaccine is on your side.
Perhaps this tweet by Gina Miller https://twitter.com/thatginamiller/status/1322846694250340360?s=19 will provide some balance.
Pretty much anybody on here can tell you that I tend not to support conspiracy theories, and have crossed quills with other contributers here several times.
That said, any vaccine presented to the public that has been rushed into production, or has not followed all the agreed procedures before becoming available for use, is not one I could willingly accept. These procedures all exist for a reason; previous mistakes and disasters are usually that reason.
I recently took part in a consultation where a suggestion of mandatory vaccination was raised. As this was the government’s own consultation, compulsion is clearly being, or has been, considered. Please note that this is against INTERNATIONAL law, thanks to people such as Josef Mengele experimenting on people against their will.
While I do not accept in their entirety the alternative or conspiracy theories regarding vaccinations, until my concerns are assuaged, I will be standing with them on this subject, and not with a government that has already proved itself the most dictatorial and disgusting in my memory.
Reports that PHE’s estimate of 4000 fatalities a day by December was not based on the most recent data available is certainly interesting. The question now is whether a case can be made that the projections presented by Whitty and Vallance on Saturday were deliberately misleading and tantamount to fraud. The threat of legal action against SAGE members might make them think twice about indulging in blatant scaremongering
Their selection of which periods and which data, when laid together, cannot suggest anything other than a deliberate attempt to present a scenario designed by them to suit their purpose. Several distinct decisions were made around different series that permitted the construct they wanted.
It speaks for itself.
I know that many Tory MPs are aware of this. Surely they all are, it’s been reported in the DT, doubtless no mention on the beeb and Guardian but I can’t bear to look.
I just hope it will be used against them, I hope there’s time before Wednesday. It’s appalling if it goes unchallenged.
I don’t know how they can come up with 4000 a day using any data. At most it has been not much more than 8000 a day in the whole world of 7.5 billion people.
My thougths exactly about a legal action against SAGE, they need to be in jail for witchcraft and sorcery because as far as I can see there scientific knowledge is not much more advanced than medieval sorcery. They may be brilliant scientists (maybe) but in the context of this episode they are totally lost. the possibilty of some financial hardship arriving as a consequence of there actions might sharpen their minds somewhat
Answer from the Office of the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court:
So basically we need a lot more obvious deaths before they take an interest in a crimes against humanity investigation but at least it is now on record and if we can get more facts to them they will reconsider.
Hi AG
Are you sending your stuff to Reiner Fuellmich’s group?
Sent him the link to the FOIs and correspondence this afternoon as well as to Mina Dew who is doing a class action lawsuit as well.
Brill
Make sure they get everything, and that you carefully save and store your material. Send it for safekeeping to a pal or two as well.
#GoGet
Awkward you are a force of nature! I am so glad you are on our side. Thank you for all your efforts, and long may you continue.
Regards,
Arnie.
You too Arnie, you’re already one of my heroes and inspire me every day when I wake up.
Bless you Rosie, the admiration is mutual I assure you. Please keep up the good work.
Arnie.
Thank you Arnie
Hope to meet up sometime
… and I am working, every day, hour after hour
…. and I have c-PTSD as well, though for very different reasons, but it certainly gives one a different set of strategies to use in this shiiteshow
Hear hear.
“crimes against humanity” is far too lofty to aim for – what’s wrong with just reporting cases of gross negligence manslaughter to the UK police?
Aim high to start then go lower.
I do feel the way Whitty and Vallance are going it should be misconduct in public office.
Sent to my MP:
“Sir,
As a constituent I will ask you one question prior to the ruling dictatorship charitably allowing Parliament one last debate on their destruction of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to give all you MPs the illusion of actually having a say.
You failed miserably in September 2020 to protect this country from a totalitarian takeover when you were offered a debate “if possible” which was promptly renegaded on within days.
The question is:
Are you going to repeat the same supine and compliant mistake again?
And to finish – I will never vote for the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats or other main stream political party that exists at the moment ever again as you have all let the people of this country down and failed miserably in defending liberty and freedom and holding the powers that be to account.
I may vote for individuals who over the past 8 months have attempted to hold back the tide of totalitarianism, unfortunately for all your big talk and rhetoric during the Brexit debates you are not one of them as you have fallen silent in this country’s hour of need.
Yours sincerely”
Great comment to the DM leader:
Whitty and Valance are sure to be trying to oust the Queen from her Christmas Day slot so they can spread more doom and gloom probably telling us that Turkey and Christmas pud is no longer advised and more COVID friendly vegan options are the only way out of this
And definitely no alcohol.
Don’t give them any bloody ideas!
Remember those scenes in the Matrix when ordinary people morphed into an Agent? Your post gave me visions of the Queen morphing into Whitty and Vallance.
Shivers.
I’ve wondered before if the Clown Show will do a Christmas special.
Pedal Powered Ovens on Amazon to cook the turkey in that the whole family (Max6) can power with 3 tandem bikes mounted in a special frame.
What do fellow sceptics think about this slogan/strapline? For general rather than specific use.
Corona rules? #JustSayNo
Simple and to the point.
Like it
Yes. I like that.
Great
I’ll stick it on my leaflets then
Good for tweeters to use
We are now living in a one party state.
If anyone is still thinking left or right they are stuck in March 2020
Very dangerous times lay ahead.
They are stuck in a delusion that goes further back than March if they think in terms of ‘left’ and ‘right; Britain has been on a pretty stable trajectory for decades at this point, irrespective of the colour of the rosette worn by the leader.
But the danger is double edged. They don’t hold all the cards. They think they do…
Sammy Wilson of the DUP talking some sense:
https://twitter.com/tfa4freedom/status/1323297917793390593
Sammy is one huge example of this issue and how its nothing to do with left and right. I couldn’t be further from the DUP in my views on 90% of things, but on this, I back him fully.
I’ve seen emails he has responded to on masks as well and he’s dead against em
Well done him.
Unlikely ally maybe, but all allies are precious and he was talking sense.
I’m getting very suspicious of these under reported deaths on Sundays and Mondays. Is this so an artificial ‘leap’ in deaths can occur on the Tuesdays of each week? Very handy for an hysterical media. Last time I noticed was on the day Manchester’s time was up negotiating a deal with Gov ( a Tuesday if I remember rightly) and now we have Parliament on Wednesday. Mmmmmm….
Yes, if politics is now happening on a Saturday then why not the NHS weekend registration of deaths, that’s why they can always pull out numbers from weeks before I feel. Adds to the theatre.
It drives me mad. Every Tuesday the media report “1000% increase in deaths” and then ignore it when it’s back to normal a day or two later…
The reason for the Press Conference delay on Saturday?
I have it on good authority that Sunak did not know what the dictator was going to announce
Sunak threatened to resign, so the dictator had to sit him down and explain
It’s the end of the road between them and Sunak will be gone by next weekend
The FatDictator will sack Sunak, you imply?
I think Sunak is the only numerically literate memeber of the cabinet, he will see through the bullshit from Unbalanced and Shitty in moments. He should be grilling them on the committee tomorrow, and so should any properly medically qualified MP’s, except for Hunt with the silent C.
I said some time ago his first best strategy is to resign at or just after 15 October. If he is going to do it, he has to do it asap, because Sir Keir has started to attack him as much as Boris. Just watched Boris – he is keeping this going under the pretense that mass testing and the vaccine is the saviour. He has promised this to his controllers. Perhaps some close to the centre are starting to sense there is another agenda and it’s time to get out of the way. If Sunak goes, it brings this to a crescendo in my view.
Why did the previous chancellor resign so suddenly?
Cummings wanted to impose his chosen adviser and The Saj refused.
It’s possible – likely even – that they wanted him out of the way (too independent minded), so they imposed conditions on him that they knew he couldn’t accept.
Very quiet right now, but he ain’t finished yet, methinks.
He’s facing his Chequers Agreement moment now. The choices are before him.
The mathematics of what he’s looking at must be horrifying, awesome, mind boggling. And I don’t mean covid stats.
I have learnt today from someone that works in my local hospital in the south of England which covers an area with a population of around 100,000 people that there are zero Covid-19 patients at the moment.
We only had a very small number of ‘with’ deaths the first time round so I am not terribly surprised, but the local residents will watch the fear porn tonight and convince themselves they are acting in the greater good. What a complete scam.
Who is collecting this evidence, Darryl?
Someone needs to record it all.
I hope this information is being shared with local MPs, if they aren’t personally requesting this type of information it is pretty scandalous.
There are lots of NHS staff who are well aware of the figures but they are convincing themselves by watching the media that the apocalypse is coming, and inevitably when it doesn’t they will put it down to the lockdown working.
Various Tory MPs giving ‘facts and figures’ from their local areas in the HoC. Almost nobody in hospital ‘with’ covid in East Sussex, Hampshire and Gloucestershire. I’m in Worcestershire and there were three deaths across all hospitals two weeks ago – the first in a few months. There was one death early last week and nothing since.
Nationwide lockdown is a complete joke. They have learnt absolutely nothing about the housing and living conditions which make the difference in the virus spreading. The media are all London based so they can’t see the stupidity of treating rural areas exactly the same as metropolitan areas like London.
London has reached herd immunity, not that any of the twats will dare admit it.
Yup! Been calling this for ages.
My post from 21/10:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/21/latest-news-169/#comment-200107
They don’t know the difference between the various areas in the North either – North East demographic is very different to North West, and very different climatically. Someone pointed out in a comment on Telegraph that as soon as the North East started to show declining cases, Vallance’s mystic charts started to include Yorkshire.
There is no second wave. The Black Death is not spreading and killing thousands of people per day.. Several respiratory viruses are doing the rounds, just as they do every year and mostly old people are dying, sadly, just as usual.
Remember how much PCR testing is being done and the high false positive rate.
It is all vile propaganda and it’s working very well. MW
My town was largely spared from any deaths with Covid in the first peak. Then we got the highest case rate in Europe per 100,000.
Those saying “well done everyone we all played our part” now can’t wait to blame the covidiots and anti maskers. It’s truly pathetic. There were mass street parties during the first lockdown in what would largely be a no go area for the police.
https://www.irishnews.com/coronavirus/2020/05/12/news/concerns-expressed-over-social-distancing-at-derry-street-parties-1934675/
And anyone under 30 was taking the opportunity for relentless house parties.
Such people, in the 8 months since this started haven’t looked an a single piece of counter analysis, a single item of information which shows this is not what it’s cracked up to be.
They’d rather bathe in their own sense of virtue and superiority. They’ve been warning anyone who’ll listen that x event was going on ‘with no social distancing whatsoever’.
The population of my county is about 1.5 million,the total number of deaths to date attributed to covid is 165 I think,I believe all elderly and with other morbidities.
So far this year 60 or 70 people have died in road accidents in the county.
Someone whose mum is a nurse at the second largest hospital in the county has told me at present they have three ‘suspected’ covid patients
.My brother who is an undertaker says total death rates locally are actually lower than normal and have been for a few weeks.
So,yes,lets lockdown and destroy what is left of the economy around here,it might possibly save a life,probably cost a load instead but still lets do it anyway.
You can look at the deaths and Covid inpatient figures by hospital on the NHS website. Hardly any in Brighton
It’s all a wicked conspiracy to deprive undertakers of their living. Or rather, their dead.
That was funny we thought it was Caroline Lucas posting.
Why don’t we actually see real MP’s posting on here so we can have a proper dialogue with them or even better they could post in the forum.
Come on The Real Caroline Lucas if you are reading this step forward!
The same goes for any other “stake holders” in this shit show. Let’s be having you.
Stop lurking you cowards and get on here.
Most of them would get slaughtered on here in any fair argument – most people who post here are far better informed and much better at logical argument
Yes – that would be amazing.
Imagine AG! – they could sell tickets!
I’ll need a few beers to get my creative juices and loquaciousness going first though.
Can I use a big stick during he debate as well?
Ooh good word!! See – you’d crush them!
Very interesting. Before long any website publishing anti-vaccination content of even the mildest form is going to result in its being totally expunged from the internet and quite possibly be punishable by heavy fines and custodial sentences.
Maybe it was an assistant testing the waters…
She’s my mp I know I’m a bad sceptic as I haven’t sent her a letter yet.
CL voted against renewal of the c-19 act.
Out and about this afternoon, various negatives observed but I won’t dwell on them. Instead here’s a small positive.
Various double-decker buses go around serving the local university sites, only for students and staff I think. I saw a bus about a third full but the display said “Bus full”, distancing applied. On the top deck there were one or two chin-wearers but mostly free faces. Bottom deck all masked I think. I presume there is no CCTV on these buses.
It looks as if a voluntary segregation has evolved, similar to what some people have suggested in a wider context. And it’s pleasing to see that a fair number of students are not fearful of catching covid or being fined and don’t feel obliged to virtue-signal.
There is a sizeable non-zealot minority- some of my fellow students have expressed some disappoving or even semi-sceptical views, one might even be a shy sceptic.
More “over the top” propaganda on the 6 pm tv news.
How many deaths?
Everyone i’m afraid, we’re all dead, i’ve been dead since midday today though i’m not taking any notice of it.
£10,000 on-the-spot fine for ignoring your own death. It’s against the rules.
lol
Think of a number and multiply it by whatever number you want.
I mostly avoid the MSM – are they still doing stuff like “Joe Bloggs rues the day he met his friends in the pub, now he’s at death’s door from covid and is saying goodbye to his wife and six children”?
Or wheeling out the bent lying “profs” to drone on about how bad things are getting and need a lockdown forever.
The latest scare numbers have done the trick. I was abused by a middle aged woman at the till for not wearing a mask, she was in tears telling me four thousands people are dying a day because of selfish bastards like me. I told her she was a little uptight and i suggested a big fat number and a bit Ambient Dub to calm her down maybe The Orb’s Little Fluffy Clouds or my favourite ‘A huge ever growing pulsating brain that rules from the centre of the universe’. If this didn’t work she could always go fuck herself. I tell you it’s an odd feeling walking round a supermarket off yir tits listening to the Orb while everyone has a mask on.
It’s gonna get tasty out there.
I love the Orb, first two albums anyway.
Amazing isn’t it? The brainwashed now believe that 4,000 people a day are dying of Covid in the UK alone, when the official reality is less than 10% of this number (and in all probability is much lower even than this).
I thought the terrified all slavishly followed the stats? Surely they know how many deaths are being reported? Bizarre.
Biker – you are fucking classic!
What was her reaction? Hoping for tears.
She just glowered at me while i smirked at her. I could tell she had real hate for me. Really ugly behaviour from the Covid Cows.
The only way to shop!
Proud of daughter no 1 – spoke up in class today when they were talking about vaccination for covid. She said she would be a bit concerned that it may not have been tested enough etc etc
That’s my girl!
Teacher had to stick up for her though, when classmates jumped in with ‘Anti-vaxxer!’
The sheeple of the future.
What a girl! Well done her.
Does she follow Naomi Seibt?
She’ll get plenty of inspiration and might want to RT etc
I need to find some english stuff (or subtitled/translated) – the one I found was in German.
I was a bit surprised she said anything as this jumping down her throat has happened before, when she happened to use the word immigrant in a discussion (not about immigration – she was just using something to do with the camps in France as a way of expressing an argument). The whole class rounded on her – “Racist!” – and she has kept quiet since then.
She’s in the wrong school, I reckon.
Are there any in your area that educate children rather than brainwashing them?
Unfortunately not – I’ve been saying that since they were in primary school!
My boys have had that too. Elder one came home from school in tears (age 17 at the time) having been accused of being a misogynist by the teacher completely out of the blue – he was the only boy in the class. We reported it to head of studies, teacher was called in and reprimanded. Interestingly, the girls in the class were interviewed individually by the head of studies, and they all backed my son. Sometimes girls in groups, in particular, are terrible to those not in their group, although individually they are fine. Boys are usually easier to handle head-on.
It’s awful isnt it. They are kids – most havent had enough time in this world to develop these awful adult traits. And being kids they dont have a sense of consequences. And yet they are subject to exactly the same ‘cancelling’ as any adult would.
We didn’t have to feel like everyone was waiting to catch us out at that age. They are just learning how to express themselves – they are punished heavily for every little thing. How can they be expected to be perfect all the time, when adults certainly aren’t!
Well, I guess she could take on the task of translating it herself, If so I know someone who would happily help.
Good for her.
Let them take it then. They will be infertile before they even get to have kids, thus saving us from their defective genes.
Good on your daughter. My boys were at a mixed school, and they, and some of their friends, got constant abuse from the girls for being anti-climate change, and pro-Brexit. They have left school now, but they are anti-lockdown, although this time, many of their male friends were too – until recently – and will not have this vaccine.
They sound spot on to me!
They have their moments! Elder one (still) gives us grief. He sometimes opens mouth before engaging brain, and as he is on the spectrum, it has presented a few issues. His heart is in the right place though. Younger one is very determined, but not as academic as his elder brother. He makes up for that with charm, and a sixth sense. They are great friends, which is a blessing.
That’s really good to see isn’t it. I have never got on with my brother until all this. He has been into all the Great Reset and stuff for years. Whether it’s that or not I still have no idea, but we certainly have a lot more in common now. And my Mum is happier for that. My 2 seem to have been getting on better since all this started really – got to try and see the little wins.
In the current climate this might end up being enough to lead to her expulsion from the school. Which actually would be a fabulous result by removing the possibility of her being vaccinated without your consent.
They are big enough (taller than most teachers!) and have the confidence to tell them where to get off – politely of course.
What age, CGL ?
eldest 17
Good for her – not easy to stick your head above the peer-group-parapet at that age.
She gave the teacher the opportunity to point out the stupidity of the conditioned ‘anti-vaxxer’ responses too.
Why are they talking to schoolkids about the vaccine? Trying to indoctrinate them into taking it?
I have no idea – I will ask!!!!
Politics seems to come into almost every subject though. Really difficult at A level to avoid it. Even French seemed to be mostly about politics – which I thought was a bit weird.
That isn’t a new thing as such; my old French teacher was obsessed with Sarkozy and preached about him during lessons.
Get rid of Johnson and his dog shit government now
Opinions please.
I’m writing a leaflet aimed at sceptics who need information they feel they can reply on to be confident in their opinions. So I’ve taken the Belgian doctors’ letter and cut it down. I’ve not altered the English translation, which is not very good – but does make it sound ‘doctory’.
Shall I use it like this, or shall I make the English clearer and easier to use?
Corona rules? #JustSayNo
Open letter from hundreds of medical doctors in Belgium, September 5th 2020
(extracts)
We, doctors and health professionals, wish to express our serious concern. The course of covid-19 followed the course of a normal wave of infection similar to a flu season. As every year, we see a mix of flu viruses following the curve: first the rhinoviruses, then the influenza A and B viruses, followed by the coronaviruses. There is nothing different from what we normally see.
The non-specific PCR test produces many false positives. The test does not measure how many viruses are present in the sample. A real viral infection means a massive presence of viruses, the so-called virus load. If someone tests positive, this does not mean that that person is actually clinically infected, is ill or is going to become ill.
For thousands of years, the human body has been exposed daily to moisture and droplets containing infectious microorganisms (viruses, bacteria and fungi). The penetration of these microorganisms is prevented by an advanced defence mechanism – the immune system. A strong immune system relies on normal daily exposure to these microbial influences.
Most people who test positive (PCR) have no complaints. Their immune system is strong enough. Strengthening natural immunity is a much more logical approach: healthy, full-fledged nutrition, exercise in fresh air, without a mask, stress reduction and nourishing emotional and social contacts.
Social isolation and economic damage led to an increase in depression, anxiety, suicides, intra-family violence and child abuse. The more social and emotional commitments people have, the more resistant they are to viruses. Exercise has a positive effect on cognitive functioning, reducing depressive complaints and anxiety and improving physical health, energy levels, well-being and, in general, quality of life. Fear, persistent stress and loneliness induced by social distancing have a proven negative influence on psychological and general health.
Mortality turned out to be many times lower than expected and close to that of a normal seasonal flu (0.1-0.5%). The number of registered corona deaths therefore still seems to be overestimated. There is a difference between death by corona and death with corona. Humans are often carriers of multiple viruses and potentially pathogenic bacteria at the same time. The vast majority of infected persons (>98%) did not or hardly became ill or recovered spontaneously.
From the distressing media images of ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) where people were suffocating and given artificial respiration in agony, we now know that this was caused by an exaggerated immune response with intravascular coagulation in the pulmonary blood vessels. The administration of blood thinners and dexamethasone and the avoidance of artificial ventilation, which was found to cause additional damage to lung tissue, means that this dreaded complication, too, is virtually not fatal anymore. It is therefore not a killer virus, but a well-treatable condition.
Spreading occurs by drip infection (only for patients who cough or sneeze) and aerosols in closed, unventilated rooms. Contamination is therefore not possible in the open air.
Wearing a mask is not without side effects. Oxygen deficiency (headache, nausea, fatigue, loss of concentration) occurs fairly quickly, an effect similar to altitude sickness. Every day we now see patients complaining of headaches, sinus problems, respiratory problems and hyperventilation due to wearing masks. In addition, the accumulated CO2 leads to a toxic acidification of the organism which affects our immunity. Some experts even warn of an increased transmission of the virus.
Our Labour Code (Codex 6) refers to a CO2 content (ventilation in workplaces) of 900 ppm, maximum 1200 ppm in special circumstances. After wearing a mask for one minute, this toxic limit is considerably exceeded to values that are three to four times higher than these maximum values. Anyone who wears a mask is therefore in an extreme poorly ventilated room.
A second wave is now being discussed in Belgium, with a further tightening of the measures as a result. However, closer examination of Sciensano’s figures shows that, although there has been an increase in the number of infections since mid-July, there was no increase in hospital admissions or deaths at that time. It is therefore not a second wave of corona – the peak is over.
I think the English is very clear and doesn’t need changing.
In Belgium the MSM and the ‘experts’ didn’t even consider it worth a mention, so I sincerely hope the letter does you more good than it did us… a ‘massive’ second wave (of ‘cases’ and flu/pneumonia misattributions) has led to a new national panic and March-style lockdown in the meantime, so that part is no longer accurate (last par.). Better to leave that final one out I guess, as hospital admissions supposedly soared – just in time to lock everyone up for the US elections.
Thanks for the replies. Very helpful. I couldn’t put the final part on as the internet packed up, so might report later or tomorrow.
On my run yesterday something obvious struck me. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been running along the pavement and ahead of me, like a hundred yards or so ahead, two people will be oncoming. They’re taking up pretty much the whole pavement, but if they bunch up a bit there would be plenty for me to pass them coming the other way.
And I’m a slooooow runner so there’s PLENTY of time for the three of us to adjust.
So I dutifully catch their eye, they see me. I bunch up as close as I can to the edge of the pavement so I’m taking the least amount of room. They’ve clearly seen me…
… and they do nothing, other than continuing their ambling along.
Stupidly, I’ve been taking this to mean “ah they’re not too fussed, they aren’t jumping terrified into the road or anything – they’re probably cool”.
But you know what happens next. Many seconds later, when I’m pretty much on top of them, THEN they’ll leap out of the way, maybe into the road, reacting as if I’ve just suggested they join me for a bareback spitroast and an extended tongue tennis session.
And from this admittedly small dataset, I think much is explained. Most people are simply incapable of thinking in advance. At all. They’re content to bumble along, even if an obstacle or problem or full scale disaster is looming right in front of them – and they can only (over)react at the last possible moment, when there’s no other option.
Hence hundreds of thousands, happy to sit at home on furlough, literally incapable of seeing what’s coming next. Their brains just aren’t wired for it.
Humans must have evolved to be like this.
Imagine a nomadic tribe of hunters, all of them free thinkers, each of them individually capable of planning ahead, with the personal nous to execute their own personal strategies. It would be a disaster for the tribe! There wouldn’t even be a tribe.
So we’ve evolved such that 99% of us bumble blindy along until the moment they are given orders by the alpha pack leader. But until then, carry on exactly as you are.
This would explain why so many of the zombies are demanding stronger lockdowns, but seem unaware that if they’re so scared of this disease which is killing 60 million every day in the UK alone – they could just lock themselves away. No, it has to be part of a pack action, and only when told.
By the way, the alpha pack leader isn’t one of the 1%. They’re just the same as the rest but due to various characteristics (psychopathy), they get elevated to be the leader. The 1% are banished from the tribe. Not long ago we’d be being burnt at the stake or disembowled.
They probably thought you were going to go onto the road.
Nope, I’d bunched up hard against the park railings on the other side of the pavement. Intentions made clear, giving them as much space as possible.
Or too busy chatting?
Not really. Just ambling. I caught eye contact well in advance.
The British public is inherently stupid. My basis for this is a) face shields b) wearing masks outside and, c) wearing a mask in a car on their own.
Sadly the 1% aren’t all in Parliament, there isn’t even a 1% in Parliament.
d) wearing a mask MW
I don’t think your far off the mark with that…I believe foresight is in short supply for the majority of the people. I’ve always put it down to arrogance that most people will walk into you rather than politely step aside (as I would), but I’m now of the opinion that may are simply oblivious to what’s around them…ignorance truly is bliss.
If I see someone walking towards me looking at their phone I deliberately keep on my path. Sadly they all had good enough eyesight to spot me before we bump into each other.
I’ve had a few hits, I try to get a bit of shoulder in too.
Lol, so it’s not just me who does that
Ffs, it’s not arrogance not to step aside for a runner. Do you wear lycra, MIke ?
I wasn’t expecting them to step aside – was expecting them to adjust the vast amount of space they were taking, just as I had done. It’s either that or someone would have had to jump into the (busy) road! The running is an irrelanance, it would have been the same had I been walking.
No, It was purely Mike’s comment I was startled by, DB.
bareback spitroast and an extended tongue tennis session
aka the old normal.
Ah yes, can’t wait to get back to it….
If they’re wearing masks outside, I walk towards them……
When you say ‘two people’ what sort of people are you referring to? There are a number of explanations for the behaviour you describe, none of them ‘evolutionary’ in the sense you imply with your analogy.
It is not necessarily the case that in a nomadic hunter / gatherer society the success of the hunt depends on the disinclination to lead of those who are not the leaders. The tactics of a hunt must be agreed beforehand, by men who know from experience what is required, because each man is required to act at a distance, out of contact with a ‘leader’. The agreement on tactics cannot but be made at some distance from the intended killing site by men who are more or less equal in abilities and experience, making a leader more or less unnecessary. Generally acknowledged leadership is required not at the kill but at the division of the spoils where distribution may be disputed. Success in hunting requires not some degree of genius in a leader and unthinking obedience in the mass but the agreement of more or less equals on a common strategy and tactics.
The somnolent masses are the descendants not of successful hunters but of the spiteful mutants (q.v. Edward Dutton) born of their success.
Great post Dicky! My mind has been two steps ahead since birth and I too find the number of oblivious, non-thinking folks out there staggering.
Never reading the play and never ready for what’s next, just ambling along and reacting to things as they happen. I’d have been exiled from the pack in the old days…on my own request most likely.
Many people have poor awareness out and about. I was taught to use peripheral vision to effortlessly move in busy places but also to consciously be aware if what is around. Now as a retired ambler with the dogs I still use these skills. If I am not on alert the dogs will be. I find it more relaxing to take the lead, there’s a chance they follow.
Most people are in dreamworld. I’m surprised they get their trousers on the right legs.
mobile phone user syndrome, they are probably not looking or even aware of you until it is almost too late. Too caught up in their own mind. Like driving through beautiful country side in a car with someone who is looking at shit on facebook, whilst the joy and beauty of the world sails past them. Then they stop and take a few pictures of something and share it. A shit way of living, life on your phone instead of life in the flesh, everything is second hand. They never see the red squirrel running across the orad, or the otters running up the beach or the eagle in the sky. No the are slaves to facebook
The “Great Reset” Explained: George Gammon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCOmn4rXvHI
I saw the WEF MD, Adrian Monck, on Talk Radio yesterday and, despite his best efforts to play down their role and portray himself as a “normal” guy, I didn’t take to him at all.
He effectively said that Covid had exposed the shortcomings of the current capitalist system and that this created a great opportunity to pursue the goals of the Great Reset, with climate change at its heart.
Sinister he may not be, but he did show signs of being sanctimonious, blinkered and condescending to anybody that might want to challenge the WEF.
I agree. Also Toby was wrong to bill this as a debunk. The interviewer was weak too.
From what I recall, Toby billed the following article as the debunk to the WEF & Great Reset:
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/open-letter-to-donald-trump-from-archbishop-vigano-readable-text/
I talked to a neighbor this afternoon who works for GWR in Exeter, he said that the Government had told them (and presumably funded them) to run a full train service during this lockdown month even though most people are theoretically not supposed to go anywhere! I have given up trying to make any sense of all this, I just presume I am living through a bad LSD trip!
Maybe there was a cataclysm in January that obliterated the planet in milliseconds and we are all now living in a purgatory/hell of our own making.
Probably, I would like to go back and take the blue pill instead.
Excuse me, but I didn’t make it.The totalitarian bastards did.
Makes as much sense as anything else.
The LNER trains that I have seen today are already pretty much empty and I expect they will run the same service carrying fresh air around the rest of this month too,all at taxpayers expense of course.
Against that, the local buses are surprisingly busy these days
I thought you may be interested in looking at possible deaths given different calculations for the IFR.
I’ve looked at the ONS (Office for National Statistics 0.3%), MRC (Medical Research Council 0.49%), Imperial (1%).
I’ve calculated using effective herd immunity rates at 80% and 50% of the susceptible population.
I’ve ignored children under 18, then subtracted people who must have been infected given the various levels of IFR.
At 50% herd immunity & ONS IFR of 0.3% we have 20,000 likely fatalities. A bad flu year.
At 80% her immunity & & Imperial IFR we get 365,000 fatalities. Where’s your money?
Thanks for putting in that work. My expectation is twixt 20,000 and 70,000, i.e I’m going for the ONS’ IFR – but not coming down on a percentage for “herd immunity”
Malcolm Kendrick is of the opinion that the IFR is closer to 0.1, see https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/10/26/how-dangerous-is-covid19/
Mmmmmm, so does John Ionnides, as a global figure but not for the obese aged crocks in the UK. Do the maths, if it was 0.1 then 59m people in the UK must have had it which is more than the total susceptible population.
But that assumes all the COVID deaths are actually COVID deaths. When we know that’s unlikely to be true.
Let’s cut out all the bullshit, and just look at all cause mortality rather than imagined figures.
… and at the moment, it’s low even if rising in line with the seasonal norm.
I had a go at plotting up maximum daily fatalities per 100K population
Netherlands – 136
Italy – 160
UK – 169.7
Sweden – 182
Spain – 198
Mexico – 215
France – 220
Chile – 338
Belgium – 427
Valance 4000 per day UK projection – 591
Valance projection is 3.5 times worst UK day and 1.38 time worst day in Belgium
does not pass the smell test
Aslangeo makes a very good point. 4000 deaths a day would be 60 deaths/million/day.
Look at the plot from below. The highest ever has been 24/day, for about a day in Belgium.
In general no country has suffered deaths over 10/day for any sustained period, in fact I don’t think any country has been above 10 deaths/day for more than 30 days.
Why would we think that the UK, given improvements in treatment, knowing who to protect, given all this stuff why should we suddenly have a prolonged period where our rates is 3 x worse than any where has achieved ever?
To put those 24/day in Belgium in perspective: it’s happened so many times now that there’s a ‘peak’ in deaths right after the weekend (Mon. or Tue.), as some stats come in late and then they all add them in one fell swoop when the next week starts. Of course followed by scaremongering about a 200% increase and such. Those nos. per day are really not trustworthy.
Which makes the point even more eloquently that Valance is talking bull.
Hi Nick, Aslangeo,
Worth pointing out that the ‘graph of doom’ is talking about deaths in England only, not the whole UK; which makes things even worse for the whole country.
It’s so arrogant of them.
Agreed, Nick.
OK its just one days figures but given all the febrile stuff about numbers I thought I just had to come on and say that today NHS England announced that the number of Covid patients in English NHS hospitals has fallen by 136 ( down from 9213 yesterday to 9077 today).
And so with falling numbers of Covid patients in hospital we are going to rush headlong into a stupid destructive lock-down!
As per my other recent post I can only assume I am on a bad LSD trip and might come round some time soon.
A bad LSD trip would be preferable to reality this year.
Mmmm, nah.
I still haven’t come down since March, man I tell ya it’s like….so, just…..wow
Guess I’m one of the unlucky ones sc***d for life – flashbacks started back in March, only keep getting worse …
Just sent an email to my tory mp imploring him to vote against the second lockdown act on Wednesday.
Wind,the, in, p×××ing; Please rearrange..
I agree it won’t change the vote but it might make them that trifle bit uneasy as they do it; as if to make them hear the distant sound of tumbrils.
What I want them to hear us the sound of tumbrils right outside their bloody offices.
Well just had an interesting experience on the Guardian whilst commenting on a piece by Polly Toynbee.
I took issue with Toynbee’s phrase “The Covid deniers still make idiots of themselves”, by pointing out that only idiots would conclude that we’re in the midst of a dangerous pandemic when excess deaths are virtually zero.
Despite getting a few responses, one of which I was able to reply to, the comments were removed by the moderators.
I then posted another comment effectively saying:
“I am apparently not allowed to comment, presumably because the truth is dangerous, so if anybody’s interested in judging for themselves, go to PHE link on excess deaths:
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html
Pay particular attention to excess deaths in private homes”.
Guess what happened next…..
i managed three posts on the BBC and was blocked. I never swore or was abusive or anything. They don’t like to be argued with.
Come on now Biker, are you tell porkies?, not even one little teeny weeny swear word!.
No, i swear i didn’t swear. I self censored because i know the BBC are a bunch of weirdos who only allow speech they approve of but it still didn’t matter. They truly are vile people
The Groan isn’t worth bothering with. It’s a tart in the establishment harem.
… only less honest .
I actually got a few comments through the other day and genuinely like to see counter-arguments.
Presumably they have their most zealous moderators on patrol for Toynbee.
Had a go at calculating how many infections it would take to get to 4000 daily deaths – using 0.67% as an infection fatality rate – which matches England hospital deaths pretty well it would take 606 K daily infections – about 9% of the UK population
If we increase IFR to 1% it would take 400K daily infections – frankly an incredible number
Cue panic MPs just before the Wednesday vote – North West ambulance service calling a major incidence due to number of calls!
Scraping the barrel, but why bother? The brainwashed majority are already clamouring for it with as much zeal as in March on the back of a few scare stories on Saturday evening.
Also Starmer has said Labour will be voting for lockdown, so the result is a done deal. No further propaganda required.
What are the calls for though? Everyone committing mass suicide since they’ve been under some form of lockdown since March? Are they actually going to people with covid symptoms or not?
Thay did the same last week our local mp posted it on Facebook. Cnn video doing the round about Blackburn too, yet according to the NHS data total for East lancs Trust 160 covid, 23 on mechanical ventilation.
I”m watching Reporting Scotland for the first time in i don’t know how long and i can’t believe how they talk down to the public. Clearly they’ve done the tests and discovered that most of us are as dumb as a potatoes so they talk to us like we’re four years old and watching Play Away. Never has it been more apparent that the vast majority of people have suffered a collective stroke or some kind of gas has been dropped rendering the public little more than cabbages
Fast food brain fuck
It’s the gas I reckon,said to my wife last night they must have sprayed gas all over the stupid bastards overnight or something,otherwise I can’t think what’s put them all into a vegetative state.
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That’s what my cousin in the US thinks too.
Chem trails
I always think if i meet someone who believes in chemtrails why the fuck aren’t you wearing a mask. I mean if you know of a secret government scheme to poison the earth with chemtrails you wouldn’t just walk around breathing that shit in
Without doubt, collectively we are the worst human beings that have ever lived. An insult to all our ancestors, and totally deserving of extinction. Sometimes I can perfectly understand why an elitist would think along these lines.
Haha you sound like me Richard. We have been going backwards (more rapidly since smartphones arrived), evolution my arse!
Absolutely useless and addicted to convenience the lot of us!
I consider myself to be the perfect human. I’m good looking, tight with money; can consume more of anything than most; my kids think i’m great; i’ve never voted Labour; have a photo of myself as a teenager with Mrs Thatcher when she came to my school in 1982. My wife considers it to be an honour i picked her and cats like me. What can i say, i guess i was born ready.
I watched a video a few weeks ago of Bill Gates addressing the CIA. This was in 2005, and he was showing fMRI scans of two brains – one “non-religious” and one of a fundamentalist. He showed how an area in the brain lit up when relevant religious text was read, and then got enthusiastic about how his vaccine would modify the behaviour of the latter. So if he was doing that in 2005 (or talking about it, not sure where it went) then what will he have done since? Do we really know what is in the vaccines? Or the water? Just watching that one video could make a “conspiracy theorist” of anyone.
I do wonder why people aren’t more questioning of what is going on. (Understatement)
I believe all conspiracies except Elvis is still alive and working in Poundland. Big fan of the 9/11 delusion, totally on board with the fluoride calcifying your Pineal Gland, which i consider the reason why people just seem too stupid for words. I have never used toothpaste, i have never cleaned my teeth with anything other than coconut oil and salt, and i have one tooth missing from a moto x crash and one filling in my life.
I’m with you, though last time I mentioned 9/11, the thread didn’t take too kindly me drawing parallels with it.
there is nothing as blind as those that won’t see. 9/11 was government operations, no doubt in my mind at all. Personally i think they get away with this virus pish because so many people bought the 9/11 delusion. it’s easy for them
I’ve seen it all bro, my favourite is the no plane at the pentagon photos. The very first photos of that incident are just surreal.
Yep, the ones with a hole in the wall the size of a phone box.
Play away? You’re showing your age there Biker.
I myself feel like Mr Benn and have stepped through the shopkeeper’s magic door into another world. Unfortunately, I can’t find my way back to the changing room.
As if by magic, the shopkeeper appeared.
Charlton and the wheelies was my personal favourite
I’m a child of the 80s so it’s Rainbow all the way for me. If anyone needs a laugh look up Rainbow twangers episode on YouTube. Too funny.
That shite is worse than the gak you can score in the shitty part of Govan. It’ll rot your brain and cause serious long term illness
i thought GAK was an online musical instrument retailer, never knew it was something you could smoke. One day when we’re allowed to go to Glasgow again i’m gonna get me some GAK and sit about Sauchie Hall street begging saying alright big man you got two bob fir a cup oh tea
I have just joined the soon to be Reform party. Nothing like a bit of Nige to get those Tories off their lazy fat arses. Feel great now.
Think I’ll join you
Same here
Donated £25 to the Reform Party
and another £25 to this site. Keep up the fight and thanks again for all your hard work Toby
Keeps giving me some hope for the future.
Never happened before, surely?!
https://www.euromomo.eu/uploads/pdf/winter_season_summary_2015.pdf
Thank you to the maker of the stay sane pin badges. Worn with pride alongside my poppy!
ooh. they sound good, where do I find one?
Somewhere in the previous week beneath the mask lanyard bit, I’ll see if I can find it.
Found it! https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/885168967/stay-sane-badges-pack-of-three-badges?ref=shop_home_active_1&frs=1
Just looked at my (Labour) MP’s twitter feed. Posted on Saturday:
This is unbelievable – the Labour party know the destruction this will cause people, but are happy to vote with the Government.
I’ll never vote Labour again.
It always seems to be about ‘support’ (ie, getting taxpayers to fork out) with Labour and lockdowns. They never actually question whether the miserable bloody things are necessary in the first place.
Following another twitter link, I saw this –
Bryce Mitchell (@ThugnastyMMA) issued an anti-mask statement after Saturday’s win: “I’m going to take a lot of criticism.”
Not a nasty thug at all – very reasoned.
“Go to California if you want to tell people what to do, they’ll love you there”.
He is from Arkansas.
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1323308538203115525
He says cases in Liverpool have fallen since Oct 7
It is all fading away and in a few weeks Boris will tell us that it was all because of his lockdown and everyone will laud him as a hero Covid slayer.
Nope. Great Reset. Lockdown will be with us for months..
Hero Covid slayer, savour of the NHS and Christmas.
Exactly. 4,000 deaths a day will he averted thanks to this glorious lockdown. And lockdowns are cost free remember – no negative impacts whatsoever.
Come December we’ll be expected to be grateful for the allowance of Christmas, as pointless as that’ll be this year. Then LD III in January for “not following the rules”.
Good. Bet they are fast running out of new students to test.
Lee the scaffolder came into the office today. He’s been agreeing with me since March that the panic is just total nonsense. But we had someone else in the office at the time who was shocked that Lee just breezed in “Without a mask!” Lee works outdoors in all weathers, and has the panther like physique of a 19-year old Royal Marine. Covid will just bounce off him. I said placatingly, “Well he’s pretty much indestructible Lee, he probably doesn’t realise other people aren’t as fit as him,” and left it at that.
How do we contact the guy that runs this site?
Ouija board ?
he’s on CB Radio, i think his Handle is Kerb Krawler
Biker is a very naughty boy.
lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
Johnson is literally getting away with murder from his partners in crime MP’s. Not one of them seem to know what is going on
This is the response I received when I made a FOI request regarding asymptomatic transmission. One justification used for draconian lockdown laws which apply to everyone is the possibility asymptomatic people can spread the disease. I find it strange the government can’t produce any evidence to justify lockdowns.
“Thank you for your communication dated 30 October 2020.
NHS England has assessed your communication as a request under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act 2000. As such, your request is being dealt with under the terms of the FOI Act, and has been allocated the following reference number: FOI-2010-1275333.
Your exact request was:
“I would like to make a freedom of information request regarding the subject of asymptomatic transmission. Could the following questions be answered :-
* Has any research been carried out by the government into asymptomatic transmission.
* If research has been carried out into asymptomatic transmission, can the following be answered
How do asymptomatic carriers spread the disease as unlike symptomatic carriers they will not cough or sneeze.
How long do asymptomatic carriers stay infectious.
Are asymptomatic less or just as infectious as symptomatic carriers.
* Have there been documented instances of people who tested positive but had no symptoms and those around them fell I’ll.
* Is the possibility of healthy asymptomatic people spreading coronavirus a major factor in placing draconian lockdown laws on the entire healthy population.
* If there is no evidence of asymptomatic transmission, would the government still feel draconian lockdowns which apply to whole population would be justified.”
NHS England does not hold information in relation to your request.”
Unbelievable, but at the same time not surprised.
I think most NHS medical staff know that this whole thing is complete bullshit.
“NHS England does not hold information in relation to your request.”
Because there is none. This is one of the biggest lies of all that underpin the whole bullshit edifice.
If NHS England doesn’t hold this critical information in a time of supposed **NATIONAL EMERGENCY**, what fucking good are they? Defund.
The answer makes my blood boil. I understand this may be difficult to answer a few months ago but after all this time surely by now they would have made an effort to understand asymptomatic transmission. A made a previous FOI request on how coronavirus is transmitted to the NHS and I was transferred to Public Health England. The NHS have not done this on this occasion. If you are going to introduce draconian lockdowns, you should have irrefutable justifications such as asymptomatic carriers. How can lockdowns be justified if they can’t provide evidence to support the justifications. Imagine if the government made it illegal to sell a drink because it was dangerous but it couldn’t provide evidence the drink was dangerous. I am taking this up on Simon Dolan’s website.
Don’t forget to share and collate all this information with Awkward Git, who is passing it one to relevant lawyers – and store it safely
and send it to Toby
Do you have an E mail address to send directly to Toby. I can’t find this on the website.
My new slogan
Go Out. Get About. Lockdown Kills.
Good one. Can you put something about a friend in there?
I don’t know if my wife and I have found the fountain of youth but when the MSM roll out the usual suspects suffering from Covid warning about us stupid sceptics spreading lies,etc who are roughly the same age as us (71,going on 72) all look at least 10 years older. nothing to do with unhealthy lifestyles of course
You can no longer point out such a thing these days – personal responsibility has been vetoed and now we’re all victims in waiting.
I’ll tell ya, I know my 20+ years of hard drug abuse is going to come with a severe price to pay at some point, soon rather than later I believe.
Ignorance is bliss until it isn’t and “poof!” it’s all over just like that.
I hear you. My years of alcohol and tobacco abuse are coming home to roost right now. In the absence of the NHS, I just have knuckle down and take the pain, it’s that simple.
It’s worth it though bro. i’ve enjoyed every fag, drink, smoke, trip, bike ride, gig and fuck i’ve ever had and when i leave this sphere and venture into the void for all eternity my only regret will be i stopped smoking once back in the 90’s for six months.
Couldn’t agree more. I consider myself fortunate to have enjoyed two decades of drinking and smoking in packed pubs sharing anecdotes with fellow addicts. A lifetime right there.
The smoking was deleted in 2007. The drinking got pricier and the atmosphere more and more sterile to the point where I rarely went out. Now the pub itself is being deleted altogether.
I only stopped smoking because I started doing the Wim Hof Method (breathing exercises) which is just as pleasurable but costs nothing. I still keep my pipes and tobacco in reserve, just in case, but I haven’t been tempted in two years.
i miss the old pub
Porous borders make good neighbors but hard borders make better.
Roll up that map of Wales, Englanders. It will not be needed again in your lifetime.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1355164/Coronavirus-rules-over-60-clinically-vulnerable-latest-boris-johnson-covid19-lockdown
Two words. One begins with ‘F’, the other with ‘O’.
What is GFY in Posh, so that he understands it?
Off the back of that article I noticed this shocker:
‘Start injecting people!’ Blair urges vaccine giant to deploy ‘40% effective’ Covid drug
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1354994/tony-blair-coronavirus-vaccine-coronavirus-treatment-astrazeneca-covid-19-vn
40% effective eh ?,sounds good,I’ll have two just to make it 80%.
More isn’t necessarily better in this case….
And as we have said, the human immune system is 99.5% effective
He’s got his dirty fingers in a lot of pies
And he’s created most of the dirt.
Lots of people obsequiously worshipping him on Twitter. Appoint a ‘Minister for Testing’ – what planet is he on? Blair lost all credibility when he took us into an illegal war.
Blair’s like some old tramp of a ne’r do well relative, who turns up every once in a while for a bit of cash and exposure, and then disappears again once people have done their best to get rid of him.
I assume he will be first in line?
Blair should just shut up – he’s the reverse of Midas, everything he touches turns to mud.
Didn’t the Russians and Chinese already put out their vaccine ?
If anyone needed confirmation that Blair is part of the problem:-
“Tony Blair at the GovTech Summit: Reconfiguring government using tech”
‘To go back to digital ID, the sense of the thing would be, and especially so when you get vaccinated, to have the capability of people being able to go about with that little ID, have this test, take the vaccine. Virtually all the vaccines that are being developed – not all of them, but most of them – are going to be two dose vaccines. So you’ll take a first dose, and then you’ll take a booster. It’s going to be really important that we’re able to track who’s had it, and then make sure that they then have their second dose. You’ll need to have a register of those that have been vaccinated. And I think even after you get the vaccine, testing will still be important. So I don’t see how you can make international travel operate again, unless you’ve got some form of digital knowledge of what your disease status is. So I just think, we’ve got the opportunity with technology to handle a lot of the issues around privacy, but digital ID across a whole range of services: you could rent your home more easily, do your mortgage more easily. All of these things are just a sensible part of the modern world. And we should just do it. I mean, I think you could get cross party consensus on it, actually.’
‘As you rightly say, we’ve probably done more to shift to online consultations to the NHS in the last six months than we have in the last six or 16 years.’
‘I think people will trust the government that they think, “they know what they’re doing”, right? And that’s why it’s very important to have a strategy, not a series of ad hoc reactions, but a strategy in which you explain to people exactly what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. And you explain to people, there is inevitably going to be a balance between what the government stipulates or demands or orders, and people taking responsibility for themselves. And I think, you know, you need to do that in a very consistent way.’
‘I think government can make that change, but it needs to be, it needs to be sort of driven from the top. And you need to identify exactly the types of changes you believe you can make. And you know, we were talking about digital IDs, that’s something I think you can do, but you need to focus on it as a government, you need to build political support for it. But I also think you need a different skill set coming into government. And one of the things that’s most difficult about government, in an era of change, is that it becomes about implementation and doing. And that is, you know, that requires a certain expertise. That’s why at the beginning of this Covid crisis, you were having to pull a whole lot of people in from the outside of the government, in some of these issues around Covid, logistics questions, other people do this stuff for a living. If they do it day in day out, they’re going to know more than a civil servant. It’s no disrespect to the civil servant, they just will. I mean, I don’t know how we could use Amazon in the current situation around delivery of mass tests, but we probably could, if we thought about it, right?’
!!!
https://institute.global/policy/tony-blair-govtech-summit-reconfiguring-government-using-tech
no-one has ever need confirmation of that
I really don’t understand this kind of thing. So shielding will not be reintroduced because of loneliness and isolation over the winter. Er, but you’ve just locked us all down again so we’re all going to be lonely and isolated over the winter you absolute tool, whether over 60 or not.
Ignore: 60-years-olds with an underlying health condition including chronic diseases, respiratory diseases like asthma, and pregnant and overweight people.
That’s probably 90% of the country. And not what the WHO IFR is telling us. And let’s not forget that when the critically vulnerable get it, the massive majority recover fine.
Duck off. Gov !
That’s fine but there will be a shortage of healthcare professionals, particularly those they persuaded to come out of retirement.
And zero support for those who wish to take precautions which shows yet again their contempt for actually trying to save lives!
There is a survey in the express, that asks it you would vote for Nigel Farage.
Current results were 75% said they would.!!
I like Farage in that he speaks concisely and with some sense on a lot of subjects.
If you look at his Twitter feed however, you see that he hasn’t had a good war.
1/ When Unbalanced was advocating herd immunity in March (I know..), Farage was rubbishing it.
2/ Then he was saying how “British” it was to clap for carers.
3/ Lastly, he was an advocate of compulsory face masks in mid April.
Sorry, won’t get fooled again.
Yep.
If he doesn’t apologize and U turns on all this, he is not credible and just tries to be opportunistic here.
I am absolutely convinced that he would have been an even more authoritarian p*ssy, if he had been or would be in charge.
Look at Orban, LePen or the SwedenDemocrats- all zealous maskers and lockdowners.
I guess one has to ask, who is the bigger threat to liberty at this present time?Is it Mr Farage, or Mr Johnson? At present, it’s Mr Johnson. He holds all the power. But Mr Farage is a check on that power, which is a good thing. My enemy’s enemy, and all that.
It’s over 80% in the Telegraph! Mind you, surveys like this in the ‘right wing media’ will get this kind of result. Doubt if they’d be the same in the Guardian. All the same, I think Farages’ entry into this whole mess is a very positive development and I for one will be supporting him.
True, but most Guardian readers would rather kill themselves than ever vote Tory (and I say that as a former occasional Guardian reader) so it’s no loss to the incumbent idiots. Whereas Express and Telegraph readers are obviously prime Tory voters, being tempted away.
I sent a letter to my MP today and put a rather cheeky PS: “Nigel’s back, watch out!”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8905177/Covid-19-patients-cellular-immunity-against-coronavirus-six-months-infection.html
Shocked – simply shocked!
Unless you are very old and your immune system is pegging out, your T-cells will remember for many years. But meanwhile in the alternative universe of Ferguson, Whitty and Vallance cellular immunity does not exist!
Please give a quick summary of what is said – please!
Nothing works properly here and merely bringing the page up takes several minutes
They had a volunteer testing of 2000 peope who worked for PHE and 100 tested positive , out of the 100 they are showing signs of T cell immunity 6 months after having been infected.
77 were women and all people were under 65.
It basically saying that people are unlikely to get reinfected.
Good on the Daily Mail. It won’t be a surprise revelation to many here, but it comes to something when a mainstream paper has to disseminate the science (and has the balls to do it).
Perfect riposte to the Imperial baloney about vanishing immunity.
If the Daily Mail can educate Imperial, then let’s get some scientists standing up and saying it loud and clear.
I have heard the statistic that 2020 is the 8th worst year for deaths (adjusted for population size) over the last 25/27 years. I want to quote this but want to be sure in the facts. Can anybody point me to an article in this/data source please?
I can’t answer your question, but I can add a comment – which is that the UK stats as a % are woefully wrong because the total population cannot possibly be what the official figures quote. If the population is now over 100 Million I would not be surprised. It’s over a decade sine supermarket figures from food bought showed, I think 82 million. the topic was suppressed and quashed.
Indeed. And it’s highly unlikely that the 2021 census – due in March – will be taken, because Covid. How convenient!
My dog eats censuses. So add on a couple for our house to your total.
What I couldn’t get over when listening to some of the MP’s questions to Bozo this afternoon was the fact that they asked him for more funding for mental health services rather than holding him to account for being the cause of the mental health problems. It is the Government’s choices that leave people worried sick about keeping a roof over their family’s head or hopelessly depressed about building a future for themselves – wholly sane and human responses to being controlled and abused, not signs of mental illness.
Our entire medical establishment has been treating the symptoms of illness rather than its causes for at least 100 years.
True. Too often the answer is in a packet of tablets and a 6 monthly check up.
Largely because 100 years ago they did not know the causes.
This is what really, really makes me angry. There’s no point sitting someone in front of a shrink for an hour a week if you don’t deal with the root cause of their anguish. It’s still there. I’ve had mental health issues due to certain life circumstances, and it was tough to realise that no number of therapists could make the pain go away – only dealing with the circumstances that were making me so sad would make things better.
Totally with you here Poppy. Sometimes life circumstances are such that certain feelings perceived as “depression” or “anxiety” are, in fact, entirely normal. As you say only dealing with the circumstances will help.
I know what you mean
I know, if you are thousands of pounds in debt, or lost your business due to the lockdown or cant see your friends/family, a shrink is not going to help
I said this to the GP a few weeks ago when she asked if I wanted counselling -I said no – it’s not going to change anything. What I need is my life back and I’ll be fine again. I was fine in February before all the shit started!!!
Have stopped the anti-depressants though – and don’t feel any worse for it. Not sure that’s possible anyway!!!
They’ve sniffed there’s a big wodge of cake to be had from this. They don’t give tuppence for their constituents or mental health
Exactly, it’s sheer opportunism. They always ask what they can get out of the lockdowns, rather than whether the lockdowns are actually necessary in the first place. It’s like telling a rapist you’ll give in to him as long as he makes it worth your while.
I think it’s more likely that they are saving their own consciences using a fig leaf of money. Some people will kill themselves because of the way MPs are going to vote. I hope that like Lady Macbeth they cannot wash out that damned spot.
I’m sure you are right. But it’s so anti-Conservative! What happened to people want a hand up, not a hand out etc – right now we’d just settle for them not stomping on our faces.
Each and every question is seemingly vetted. And all the answers were there in his book. They were never allowed the challenge after an inept answer. The reality is that the pressure will come from elsewhere in the corridors, not in the chamber. Although the DUP gentleman, Sammy Wilson did well to compare him to Halifax.
What is really depressing is that so many are lapping up this action replay of crap information and Scary Fairy stuff like dogs returning to their own vomit.
Learning from experience seems to be a dead art.
Thick fuckers
Don’t forget for a good percentage of the population this will probably be another 2 to 3 month tax payer funded holiday.
They won’t feel the same way when their holiday is extended but universal credit has replaced Furlough money. At that point there is pay back.
Agree. Unfortunately people today are living examples of Santayana’s famous maxim – those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Many are, but I’ve noticed quite a few people in my social circle are starting to get a bit fed up with it all. They are not sceptics (yet) but they don’t have the same ‘Blitz Spirit’ that they had back in March.
Self interest eventually morphs into self harm.
Fool me once, shame on you etc. Shame on the British government and people.
anyone know how many people subscribe to/view this site? i just had the terrible thought that it might only be about 50 or so of us ranting away at each other while 60 odd million people think that we’re the loonies…
Surprisingly more than I thought, from my own experience.
It’s just you and me (plus all my alter-egos)!
To repeat my favourite Orwell mantra :
Sanity is not statistical.
It doesn’t matter if there are only fifty of us.It doesn’t alter the fact that we are right and the 67-million-odd morons are wrong.
There was only one of Galileo. There was only one of Wegener.But they were still right and everybody else was still wrong.
End of.
Oh my goodness – I have said that such a lot lately. I said it to the head teacher in one of my blasting emails – ‘I may be the only one saying this, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong!’
I’ve wondered the same. I assume that Toby would have thrown the towel in with the site long ago if he wasn’t getting some serious visitor numbers (though I wouldn’t want him to if that were so!). I read both the updates and comments for weeks before I first posted and it is real departure for me since I don’t do social media or forums otherwise. I imagine many others ‘lurk’ like I used to.
I’ve been reading this site – updates and comments every day since April. It was only in June /July time that I had the courage to post something (I don’t do the whole social media thing so it was out of my comfort zone to leave a comment).
Same as you Kath ,i read comments for ages before i posted . Probably because my grammer isn’t that good and i have never been on a discussion forum before .Anyway i’m glad we’re all finding our place and i would say to anyone watching please join in because your contribution is as valuable as any one else .
2,699 unique user accounts have posted comments to this site since 2020-04-15.
Top posters:
1 Cheezilla 3.5%
2 Carrie 2.4%
3 Basics 2.2%
4 Annie 2.0%
5 Bart Simpson 1.7%
6 Mark 1.6%
7 Nick Rose 1.6%
8 JohnB 1.5%
9 Julian 1.5%
10 karenovirus 1.5%
11 Matt 1.2%
12 Farinances 1.2%
13 Two-Six 1.2%
14 OKUK 1.1%
15 Awkward Git 1.1%
16 Richard Riewer 1.1%
Very interesting. How did you get this statistic so quickly?
Panscepticon knows all.
Mwahahaha!
Excellent resource, thanks.
Hmmm this list looks like the work of SAGE
No. The numbers above are factual. Not made up or modelled.
fucking glad i’m not on that list, they’re coming for you chaps first
You’re 48th on the list, sonny.
Top 50, i’m very proud.
Great work, Mabel! Am I at least in the top 100?
82nd, with 639 posts as at a few hours ago.
That’s not bad. I thought about asking if I was in the top 50 but that seemed unlikely. Glad to see that my numerical assessment skills are reasonable.
Not sure being at the top is necessarily a good thing!
You’ve posted over 7,600 comments, you maniac.
Never forget. Never forgive.
Bit surprised swedenborg isn’t up there. And wondering what happened to farinances.
swedenborg is 27th. Farinances is 12th.
But when did she last post? (Farinances, that is).
swedenborg’s posts make up in substance and quality for any lack in number.
But which Mark, there are (at least) two of them?
Don’t worry. There are plenty of us who read the site every day but don’t have anything new to say. It’s all been said before. But I’ll say it again: resist. Do not obey the rules. Fight back. Argue with the collaborators.
Agree, and hi, but have you got guidance on how to avoid the rules?
Here’s a couple of ideas:
I will. I will ignore most of it.
Re your bubble point. I have a friend who is much more sociable than I am. She has consistently had several support bubbles going with various groups of friends. A veritable bubble machine. Oddly, she also fiercely masks and doesn’t at all see the inconsistency between these two behaviours. She was shocked I didn’t have an exemption letter for my lack of mask.
“Are we the bad guys?”….
No, not this time.
“Reason has only ever been with the few.” Schiller
Yep this is the sad truth. We’re the cult of idiots, not the other way around. The majority is always correct.
I keep seeing new names popping up, sometimes making substantial contributions. I still remembet Alethea’s heartfelt first contribution, also Wat Tyler’s. Some fall by the wayside – whatever happened to Farinances? Others go quiet for a bit then come back (Tylean) – maybe they have a life! The general trend is an increase in the number of comments, with spikes when the government scum have imposed some new abomination.
Gosh, that’s nice to hear, Edward. Thanks.
Didn’t Ghandi say, ‘Even if you’re in the minority of one, the truth is still the truth’
Hi Dommo iv’e no idea how many are on this site but i believe its been building, over the last few months iv’e been here i’m forever seeing new names which is great .But if you feel we are the only ones out there then just go over and check out Talk Radio ,Just today there are about 6 videos on youtube ,everyone from Peter Hitchens ,Carl Heneghan ,Sunetra Gupta . We now have Nigel Farage starting a new party and we have the recovery group beaming a anti lockdown message on parliament so we are turning the tide . Even with a second lockdown looming we have never been so strong as we are now and becoming stronger by the day .
So the CBC — our version of the BBC — reports the following:
“Some of Ontario’s largest hospitals are nearing or exceeding full capacity even before flu season and the second wave of COVID-19 bring an expected surge in new patients.
Data obtained by CBC News shows that the acute care wards of a dozen major hospitals were filled above 95 per cent of their funded capacity for more than half the days in September and early October. Those rates significantly exceed the province’s maximum occupancy target of 85 per cent. That was set earlier this year for hospitals to get the green light to resume scheduled surgeries, such as organ transplants, cancer operations and cardiac surgeries, basically halted during the pandemic’s first wave.”
At least the truth is out there — it’s NOT Covid that is overcrowding our hospitals. People are being treated in hallways and conference rooms because we’re playing catch-up on all the surgeries and treatments our brilliant government decided to halt for months to deal with the “first wave” that never overwhelmed hospitals. As an aside, my good friend had her yearly physical by phone today. I’m sure her doctor billed for a full “physical” and yet never saw the patient. Makes my blood boil.
Yes, and many of the patients receiving delayed treatments will be testing positive for Covid and therefore registered as a Covid admission, even if they are asymptomatic and this is not why they are in hospital.
Has a better ponzi scheme ever been invented? It is criminal genius of the highest calibre.
If they didn’t test positive for Covid when they went into hospital, there’s a fair chance they tested positive before they left. Quite a bit of spread in hospitals (surprise, surprise) even though everyone is in full PPE. I guess they’re just not following the rules…or maybe masks don’t work.
I read it’s about 17% spread from inside hospitals. Which is around 16.9% more than retail and gyms combined. So we should shut hospitals and keep gyms and retail open ? That’s the logic of this ?
Yeah just shut the hospitals. Oh wait..
25-30% in UK if you are not here.
Catch-up, plus every flu case is a Covid one, plus even a car accident has a 50% chance of becoming a Covid one, as half the ICU Covid infections happened in the hospital, as everyone there is tested, and as that test is so biased and useless.
My mother in law was a nurse in Toronto, she actually over in the UK visiting, she said months ago that they regularly exceed capacity. As most hospitals should be otherwise surely they are not being utilised correctly, if you never reach anywhere near capacity then its too big.
U.K. hospitals run between 90/95% capacity normally. It takes a 6% increase for anything to overwhelm them. Facts that the P (rat) M (oron) does not seem to know.
Exactly. It’s as if “hallway medicine” is a new concept. Our hospitals are always overwhelmed! We all have stories of loved ones who were in Emerg for days or in a hallway until a bed became available. It’s just interesting, and surprising, that the truth is being reported for once. Covid is not responsible for overwhelming the hospitals, it’s the government’s idiocy! And yet I fully expect we’ll go into another lockdown and all “elective” surgeries will cease and the hospitals will be overwhelmed again in the spring. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Hospitals overwhelmed.
Hmmm well there is pandemic that’s at least a year old now, should have been enough time to prepare, no ?
If the hospitals are still not ready then frankly it’s their problem not ours.
If Shitty and Sir Pat (add cow) were right and everyone is vulnerable short of giving capacity to 80% of the population they have failed in their primary duty of care ( appreciate you need to transpose this rant to Canadian medical care )
If only all interviewers were as robust. I can no longer think what to call these idiots that infest our scientific institutions….this ‘professor’ is clearly making shit up on the hoof. What an utter disgrace he is to his profession
https://tomwoods.com/public-health-official-hammered/?omhide=true
Thanks for that. I often agree with Maajid Nawaz (despite him being a LibDem!). Scally is on Independent (aka ‘also ran’) SAGE. He let himself down.
I have just read of two businesses which are defying the national lockdown. I urge readers to show their support on social media etc. Let’s try to drown out the nay-sayers. Also please considering chipping in to defence funds if they become available.
Gainz Fitness and Strength gym, Bedford (on Facebook)
Cirq D-Play soft play centre, Liverpool (page not available on Facebook, which is highly suspicious). Website https://cirqdplay.co.uk/
There’s a good video by German satirist Dieter Nuhr on the idiocy of the lockdown and of closing down indoor tennis facilities in particular: “The only way to spread the virus in a 40×50 meter tennis hall with 3 courts and 6 people playing, is to jump over the net, overwhelm your opponent and stick your tongue into his mouth.
Which doesn’t really happen that often.”
Thanks for the info , that cirq d vid made my day!! I’ve just sent them a message on their “contact us” part in the website so thank for providing their website. I’ll looks for the gym and do same. If only many more would do this for their businesses.
I keep losing it every time I hear someone say, ‘we are allowed’, aaaaaaah
It doesn’t make any difference whether ‘the public follows the rules’ or not.
The rules are pointless and the virus is there and will continue to be around.
Whether it’s also all staged or not is another debate.
There’s an excellent video in German on Telegram by Sabine, an emtrepreneur, making that point and debunking the ‘it’s all your fault’ idiocy.
The pandemic can be and is over immediately, as soon as the PCR test was standardized correctly.
They know that.
And will wait with that until the vaccine has arrived and can be made a success that way.
I can’t remember where I saw it but I swear I read online a news report that said ‘you are allowed to hug, kiss and hold hands with someone in your support bubble’.
The only thing that should be ‘allowed’ are Johnson’s, Whitty’s and Vallance’s last words before they are each publicly executed. I may commute Johnson’s to beheading since it’s obvious he is being coerced. The other two perhaps not.
that’s very magnanimous of you. It’s nice to take the high road when planning executions.
I have had a good look at the Gov dashboard and it really does seem as though “cases” – or positive tests – have plateaued and in decline in many/most places, despite ever more testing. So taking an positive slant on the current shit storm – maybe this is finally the beginning of the end (or the end of the beginning). This would be consistent with any other similar virus. It comes. It goes. Question is, what happens next? Any predictions? When “cases” decline for a second – and presumably final time – as we reach some level of herd immunity, surely our side of the argument will become so strong, so overwhelming, that Govts around the world will start to see sense? Thoughts?
They will be slapping themselves on the back and telling us how their lockdowns did the trick.
Agree. Lockdown 2 is timed to validate the first one. Anothersceptic2 also reports they have changed what constitutes a case via the PCR test. All choreographed to perfection.
Sickening.
Final step will be to roll out a vaccine and record future deaths as seasonal flu. 100% validation for their handling of the non-crisis.
I do have a theory that they would not lockdown if they were not convinced that they will succeed. Just like the first time.
Yep, a ready-made “success” so they can say they “saved christmas”.
Me too. The timing is so suspicious. The use of data from 3 weeks ago to create a scarier picture. Think they might have left it a bit late this time though…
Nope, watch Henegen on Talk Radio today. The lag is important. Lockdown impact on hospitalisation cannot be seen for two weeks, 30 days on deaths.
Yes but they will ignore this just like last time.
Trouble is, governments have been able to get so much power from the smoke ‘n’ mirrors of the ‘pandemic’, that they will be tempted to do it all again as many times as they want in order to gain more power, because the average citizen has absolutely no idea of how they are being manipulated. They could just invent some new virus every year and get away with it.
i was going to make a smart-arsed comment about “the boy who cried wolf”, but then realised that the point of the story was that there actually was a wolf…
Yes, we cannot sit back and sigh, thank god this is over, it is a long fight.
and this time we have to make sure the government can never be a situation again where they can disable parliament and rule by statute.
Maybe they’re just saving them up for a rainy day. Tomorrow, perhaps.
A janitor at the ONS will find a dusty Excel spreadsheet in a corner, and all of a sudden we’ll have an explosion of cases, just in time for the commons “debate”.
Won’t be the first suspicious backlog “error”.
I agree – there’s a feeling the wheels are coming off for Sage – they wanted the circuit breaker which they could have then said caused the plateauing we’re now seeing – they didn’t get it hence the 4,000 deaths modelling which is already looking very dodgy. Going to be very interesting to see where the stats for positive tests/deaths are on Wednesday and early next week. Do I dare to sniff the whiff of their demise…?
I don’t think so. The ‘pandemic’ isn’t a discrete phenomenon which will ‘end’. It’s all happening within the specific context of the WEF reset agenda. Now people know fear and an authoritarian style of government they’re primed up for further waves, surges and the new viruses and future pandemics.
Biometric surveillance systems and vaccines are coming thick and fast.
Safetyism will reach new heights. The destruction of economy & civil society is happening already.
The sceptics will be hounded and labelled mad.
The term herd immunity will be removed from the dictionary.
Happy Christmas!
Thanks for the pep talk
I sense that the memos have already gone out to try 50 PCR cycles.
Has anyone had any luck actually persuading anyone who was formerly terrified of the virus and supported everything the government has done? Has anyone actually changed anyone’s mind? If so, what did you say?
Because reason doesn’t seem to be doing it for me. Genuine science, experts, graphs. Nothing. I think my family and friends may all be cretins.
Anyone had better luck?
Nope. They’re all too far gone to listen to reason. TBH, I’m very disappointed in some of the people I know. They are otherwise intelligent people who don’t take things at face value but for some reason they’re not seeing through this bullshit. I despair.
This is my experience too: people who should know better just refuse to look past the figures given on the thinking box.
It’s just self interest and fear. To turn selfish people you need to show them why they are being selfish.
Boy, do I know that feeling. As you say, this is with intelligent people I’ve known for years.
It’s so difficult when to every point you make to them, they just say, “Yes, but…”
I know a history teacher who teaches kids about the Reichstag fire who also repeatedly calls people conspiracy nuts. This continued even after the obvious parallels were pointed out.
A friend and I noticed that people really get angry when you point out the obvious parallels with the Nazis and what happened in the Channel Islands. I think its because they’re still wedded to the myth that the British don’t do denunciations, spying and snitching on neighbours.
Yes – persuaded a couple of people, but the hysteria is strong in most
Yes, a friend of mine was very much a Covid believer. Back in March I had a long phone chat with him, trying to calm him down as he was terrified his children were going to die from it. Then I got an angry text from him when the Tier system was introduced. He said what made him realise it was all nonsense was the way the government changed the ‘eat out to help out’ scheme suddenly to ‘drink up and go home’. I didn’t have to ‘do’ anything to convince him (and indeed one cannot ‘convert’ someone, only ‘witness’ to them). It was enough that he knew he had someone he could talk to openly about it.
They wake up in their own time, my friend.
I persuaded myself
TBH I was concerned early on but was never a True Believer.
I really think most people do. Much better to pose some searching questions and let people do the rumination in private. Simply insisting it’s all a load of bollox never brings anyone closer to your POV.
I’ve got a multi-personality disorder and we all agree it’s a load of rubbish
No success for me yet. I know a fair few people through work colleagues, friends, neighbours etc etc. I give facts and figures plain and simple as I can eg more people die of flu yet we don’t do this every winter; the average age of death 80+, more likely to die of drowning if <65yrs old etc etc. They listen and no more than that. I think they just can’t accept the bbc and govt would lie. Friends and colleagues in the health profession and intelligent others.
I’ll say the facts and they’ll say yes but we’ll probably be back to normal by spring or ok let’s hope the vaccine won’t be long….
I’ve managed to persuade my partner just this weekend into a full sceptic as opposed to a semi sceptic. I showed him Anna breed interview Dr Mike Yeadon. That did it for him. .
No
I have not yet witnessed a conversion.
It seems to be some kind of in-built thing: you’re either aware, or you’re a muppet.
I wish I could say yes, but my experience is the same as yours, despite all the reasoned arguments, actual data and facts I present they still revert to the SAGE/BBC party line….or are just complacent. The only other person that gets it is my 82.4 year old. Despair. Only once the Government/BBC/MSM propaganda message changes will the lockdown believers catch up.
*82.4 years old mother*
Yes. A few people. Many of whom were between 30 & 50 who were convinced they were at equal risk to
Everyone else. If you get the point across that they are an idiot for such a self interested belief they have so far wavered.
My family are still BBC believers. Good luck getting past that.
Gradually. I’ve made my own sceptical position clear from the outset but as I’m generally a sceptical, cynical side who constantly warns people about what they share online and invites people to challenge what they see and hear, it’s taken time.
Now, however, progress is being made as I invite people to speculate why, if this deadly plague is sweeping our land, you can’t name one person you know who has had it. Or even someone who knows someone who’s had it. I’ve not yet come across anybody who can cite even a tenuous link with more than one other person.
Me? I know one person. My friend’s daughter who caught it at University, she felt shit for a day, then better but had to isolate. Of course she had a positive test and so became a ‘case’. For this we are subjecting our young people to a University experience redolent of a Victorian Workhouse.
i’m as sceptical as anyone here but i do know about 15 people (all under 60) who’ve had it (flu with a bad cough), and a 71 year old friend of a friend caught it in hospital and died. so sceptical, yes but total denier, no
I’m not sure I’ve changed anyone’s mind, but since this lockdown was announced I’ve heard many more express frustration that they don’t know what the end game is.
Unfortunately no.
Even after asking them how they feel after having to wear a muzzle for nearly the whole day, they’re still thinking this is all for the best.
I have given up. Only being hit in the pocket and stomach as well as developing illnesses from the accursed muzzle might herald a Damascene conversion.
Yes! I Was talking to a lady in her 60’s at the bus stop today. She wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, and only ever watched the BBC….you get the picture. She was upset because she cleaned for a few ladies and lamented that she would’nt be able to see them from Thursday.
I made sure she was looking at me, and said ‘Why not? Okay then, so for the whole of the summer, and right up until this Wednesday, you were, and will be ‘safe’ to visit your ladies….but from Thursday, covid will be jumping out from behind this bustop and will bite you on and your ladies on the arse!’
You just know when the lightbulb goes on, and I saw it on her face, she hadn’t thought of this before and she muttered ‘Dya know, I never thought of that. Your right!’ I saw the rusty cogs in her brain start to turn, and process things, for probably the first time in months.
Importantly, up until that point, she had been very talkative, non-stop chatter, but afterwards became quiet and thoughtful. I sensed a small paradigm shift had occurred.
Made me feel good that I helped to wake another human being up from the nightmare.
I don’t think I’ve directly converted anyone. Though I’m not an argumentative person in general and not at all scary (at least I don’t think so!), the better I know somebody the more forceful and candid I am with my opinions. Family and friends are mostly a bit less sceptical than me but they know my opinions and tend to agree or avoid disagreeing.
I’ve managed to convince a couple that they are not going to die, but I am struggling to get them past the “but I’m still not going to risk giving it to my elderly parents” phase. I got another to become a sceptic but she keeps having to be nudged, as the brainwashing starts taking over again without regular verbal booster vaccinations.
Depends. I have a few close friends who know I am a hound for info on this and have a lot to say, but I keep it to a certain level I don’t over do it. The best route I’ve found to drop some truths their way is by focusing on PCR.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.04.20167932v4
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext#%20
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/criticism-pcr-test-sees-costa-rica-scrap-requirement-visitors/
https://twitter.com/KPCResearch/status/1312491247760601089
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1321188173913927680.html
Basically, once they realise that hundreds of thousand of people are bing locked down in tbe UK after a + test on the basis of super sensitive and possibly fraudulent tests, hit them with Lord Sumptions lecture which shows the government only have a power under the Public Health act to contain people if they can prove they are a danger.
PCR is the cornerstone which unravels everything. No pandemic without it.
There’s a video (posted here recently, found at Brandnewtube I think) of Witty doing a lecture where I believe he has close connections, Gresham college. The college uploaded it online, at least for a while. Here’s a screenshot. In the words of Biff Tannen: Well lookey what we have here…
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-54738471
This passive aggressive bullshit from the BBC (where else) has got my blood pressure through the roof. They’re basically saying that anyone who’s not a fully paid up member of the COVID cult is a lunatic. Yip, they have they audacity to say we’re the lunatics. How do they get away with this crap?
When is Toby’s Ofcom case being heard? I’m getting sick to death of this shit.
Dunno, but I hope it’s soon.
At some point in the next two months, was the last I heard (about a week ago).
The BBC is a cult
I’m pleased to say that after hearing me ranting about the BBC, my lady-friend has cancelled her TV licence. Now, you might think she was just doing that to curry favour, but she then told me she’d cancelled her National Trust subs as well, in protest over their ‘decolonialisation’ programme. I’d never mentioned anything about the NT to her so I’m very impressed.
She sounds like a keeper
Have you spelt that wrong?
Old communist tactic
We fear they do protest too much.
However hard the fight is at least you can take the greater comfort from KNOWING you’re right, honest, true.
What a title! When simply being a writer/reporter won’t do
“Specialist disinformation reporter”
Just like fact checkers, they were wheeled out when people started to ask the right questions and find out the real truth.
Please send your point of view to https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints
Please also consider including this:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
And ask them why it’s not been reported by BBC more widely / if at all. As the peer review study indicates no need for ott non pharmaceutical interventions.
Good luck.
Completely pointless complaining to the BBC. Their complaints are handled by Capita, a GOVERNMENT-affiliated ‘company’.
dont fund them then soon they will get the message
I’ve seen some commentators suggest that Whitty & Valence are worried that a growth in older people becoming infected is being masked by infections amongst younger people, university students predominantly (another lot who quickly ran into herd immunity).
These box charts in 5 year age bands show infections across the country. Clearly, there was a load of ‘measured’ infection in younger people, now dropped off but no big increase in older people.
If they are worried perhaps they should stop testing healthy young people
How can a deadly pandemic be “masked”? Oh, millions of them have it but we didn’t notice… huh?
I’ve not seen any data to suggest any significant increase in older people. Did the Terrible Two present any, or is it just part of their “not a prediction” model?
I don’t know when he said this, but Fauci is on record as saying that if you get a PCR positive at 35 cycles or higher, it is hardly ever replication competent!!
“You just get dead nucleotides.”
This video is live-streaming right now.
Go to minus 17.15….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1a7GxFCPjM
So that is Fauci, (who funded the Wuhan lab), Head of CDC (Centre for Disease Creation), admitting that PCR’s positives at 35 cycles or above mean no viable virus.
In other words no illness and no contagiousness.
Yet as we know, the US and most of Europe go to 40 or 45.
And that is how the the testdemic is being operated, and the ‘justification’ for many thousands of self-isolations, and the new lockdown.
This really is crimes against humanity….
Yes it is just that: crimes against humanity. And we keep throwing statistics
at them. It isn’t working.
There’s a couple of Maths students on the Imperial College team on University Challenge right now. In a few years time they will be helping to ruin our lives with their modelling of SARS Covid 3.
dont spoil the result but i guess they will win by several thousand points
Calling it now, 67 milllion dead as the reasonable worst case scenario over 100 years.
Oh yeah!! As someone responded to me a couple of weeks ago – 1 death per person!
Reminds me of someone who once said to me, ‘You smoke! Don’t you know you’re going to die??’ I replied simply, ‘Yes, and I hate to break it to you, but so are you!’
Haha! I remember watching that bushy haired BBC one – Jeremy Spate – one morning and they were talking about some health issue or other (very pre-Covid). He said something like – ” . . it will reduce your risk of death . . .” and I shouted at the telly – “Risk of death is always 100% – can’t be changed!”
Another jolly carol for Covidmas:
O come, all ye craven
Joyless and despondent
O come ye, o come ye to Covid hell.
Come and behold this
Miserific vision:
Come and grovel before him,
Come and grovel before him
Come and grovel before him,
Covid the Lord.
Terror from terror,
Bullying from bullies,
Lo, he abhors all things that lead not to doom.
Very odd,
Born of false statistics:
Come and grovel before him, etc.
See how the clergy
Faithless and corrupted,
Leaving their flock, draw nigh to cringe.
We too to Covid
Bend our spineless bodies:
Come and grovel before him, etc.
Lo, graph-led experts,
Sages, truth abhorring
Offer him fantasies, distortions and lies.
We, too, surrender
All that makes life worth living:
Come and grovel before him, etc.
Covid, we greet thee,
Darkness with no dawning:
Covid, the Lord of Loving Death.
Word of the Liars,
On our screens appearing:
Come and grovel before him, etc.
Nice one, Annie!
Tempted to sing that door to door.
I just watched an interesting video where the central claim was that no-one has been able to isolate sars-cov2 from a human sample. Does anyone know if this is true or even if it’s usual to be able to isolate viruses from samples.
You can’t culture a virus without having some host cells there too. Viruses cannot replicate on their own. All the electron microscope pictures of SARS-COV-2 I’ve seen also had some human host cells in them.
I’m sure you can separate out the virus as well. But either way it’s not a big deal. It is a virus and it does exist. There’s no good reason to believe otherwise.
Teams in Canada, Australia and Italy have all reported having isolated it.
My understanding is that the ‘S’ in Sars stands for syndrome. I think teams have isolated a part of a virus which is identifiable as a coronavirus. Covid-19 , the ‘d’ stands for disease. I am not aware that anyone anywhere has conclusively proved that the disease is caused by the SARS2 coronavirus. It took 25 years or so before HIV was similarly definitively proved to be a disease. However its relationship with AIDS ( s again means syndrome) is still subject to some debate.
On this basis the almost miraculous connection of a disease called codid-19 with a not altogether fully known coronavirus is, well somewhat strange. Even given advances in methodology its a little hard to believe, which I guess is why a vaccine for such a disease is erm speculative.
Yes but it’s well known that coronaviruses give people colds. The relationship between HIV and AIDS is much more subtle. HIV asymptomatically destroys your T-cells and some time later, it might be years, you get very ill from other infections and cancers because of the depleted immune system, and that’s what we call AIDS.
SARS-CoV-2 behaves just like the other coronaviruses so this should not be surprising.
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Watching University challenge. I have never cared who wins an episode but I am absolutely desperate, on this occasion, for Fucking Imperial to lose. God how I hate them as an institution.
The buggers won. Is it just me, or has the number of weirdos on BBC quiz shows markedly increased? I’m thinking Mastermind and UC
Lockdown has empowered them.
They’re not as good as last year’s winning Imperial team, though. Conclusion – Ferguson is having an impact already on smart people going elsewhere, or in the alternative, he is acting as a curse.
We said exactly the same and were hoping for the same result!
Don’t know if they’re done it yet but Toby n James need to review ‘Mindhiter’, cracking stuff….
The covid thing is fcuked up and will run it’s course
Please stop posting stuff and tell us where protests may happen. If we are here then we will protest (in an American term) period.
That disgraceful ‘Sir’ Patrick Vallance has inverse Cassandra Syndrome….Aways wrong with his prophecy but destined to be always believed….
Fuck all of the public health fascists….
Sir Patrick “Liar” Vallance, please.
That’s funny. I like your observation.
Ardnassac Syndrome?
Should join the ranks of Jimmy Saville and Fred the Shred with his knighthood stripped.
And hopefully join the ranks of Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Ferguson, Sturgeon. Drakeford, Ellwood, et al in the Tower of London.
Cue queue for Tower Green.
Stunningly corrupt dishing out of Covid contracts:-
In the UK, government contracts worth millions of pounds have been awarded to companies without competitive bidding during the pandemic. Close scrutiny reveals many of the firms have close links to leading figures in Whitehall.
The Covid-19 pandemic has meant a miserable year for businesses of every size in every industry the world over.
However, shortfalls in vital Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) meant the UK government splurged well in excess of £5 billion on PPE procurement contracts from March to October this year, and in the process a number of private companies profited handsomely. With a ‘second wave’ of the pandemic now well under way in the UK and elsewhere, this lavish spending seems unlikely for the foreseeable future to peter out.
The shortfalls, and resultant mad dash to make up the numbers, stem at least in part from London’s rejection of an offer from the European Union to join a PPE-procurement sharing scheme, under which member states pool their resources to purchase high-quality equipment in bulk at competitive prices for use throughout the bloc. Nonetheless, Whitehall has taken advantage of EU rules introduced during the pandemic to award contracts for the supply of PPE, among other goods and services, to private businesses, without competition.
Under the terms of the directive, enacted on April 1, the EU’s “public procurement framework for the purchase of the supplies, services, and works needed to address the crisis” was updated to “substantially reduce” delivery deadlines by “[accelerating] open or restricted procedures.” Practically, this means in cases of “extreme urgency,” governments do not need to offer up contracts for competitive bidding.
Numerous UK government bodies, including the Department of Health and Social Care, and local NHS bodies, have thus directly approached firms to provide particular services, bypassing tendering processes outright. In many cases, the beneficiaries have no clear professional history or expertise in the relevant field – but do have intimate ties to the Conservative Party and/or Boris Johnson’s government.
For instance, in April, small investment firm Ayanda Capital, which offers wealth management and maximization services for extremely rich families, was awarded a £252-million contract to supply masks to the NHS, the largest awarded during the pandemic to date.
The firm has no history of producing PPE, which may account for why up to 50 million masks purchased from Ayanda at a cost of £177 million cannot be used by the NHS, as they don’t meet safety standards.
The deal was brokered by Andrew Mills, an adviser to the UK Department of International Trade, and a senior board adviser to Ayanda – references to his board role were removed from the gov.uk website when the Good Law Project called public attention to this obvious conflict of interest.
Adding to the controversy, after the Good Law Project lodged legal challenges with the government over the deal, ministers revealed the contract was originally going to be awarded to the company Prospermill Limited – set up in February 2019 by Mills and his wife.
It has never filed accounts and boasts assets of just £100, having never apparently traded. Despite this, Prospermill was on the verge of winning the £252 million contract, on the somewhat implausible basis the company had “secured exclusive rights to the full production capacity of a large factory in China.”
The deal, ministers claim, only fell through because the company didn’t have “established international banking infrastructure that could be used to effect the necessary payments overseas.” Nonetheless, Byline Times has suggested Mills may have made up to £50 million from the deal. Ayanda Capital denies any wrongdoing, and rejects the notion the masks it supplied to the NHS don’t meet safety standards.
Also in April, it was revealed Clipper Logistics had won a variety of contracts worth millions, which included a deal to establish an NHS PPE supply chain, and another to develop online portals allowing GP surgeries, small care homes and home care providers to place PPE orders through a dedicated website, which Clipper itself then fulfils via Royal Mail. The announcement followed weeks in which the NHS suffered significant supply shortages, several frontline workers died due to not having access to PPE, and allegations NHS staff were warned by superiors not to speak out about paucities of vital equipment abounded.
Clipper Logistics’ founder and executive chair is Steven Parkin, who has donated £725,000 to the Conservatives since 2016, and is executive chair of the Conservative Party Leader’s Group…
(Continued..)
I’m soooo shocked! This is so surprising, I’d never have thought it! People close to government making money out of a health scam. I mean – it’s unheard of!
£252 mill for useless PPE. Maybe the government can resell it via supermarkets as toilet paper.
Bozo is a rabbit caught in the headlights – starmer is a pointless tossers – Farrage has joined the party
https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1323357573186281472?s=20
signed!
Nice one Azoumi. You signed as an AMHP I presume?
Concerned citizens can sign too.
Question – how do I add pictures to a post – e.g. graphs – please
Thanks in advance
There’s a little graphic bottom right of comment section,looks like a mountain with sun behind. Click that. File can’t be too big though, can’t remember size.
and you need to be logged in … and i think only post jpgs
You can also post .png files.
And the file size can’t be too big – half a megabyte I think. Photo editing software can be used to reduce the file size if necessary.
Thanks – graph of Maximum daily fatalities per 100 k population – shows how out of whack Valance 4000 per day prediction is
Farage and Tice were pushing the MSM narrative at the start. They have come on stage very late in the process.
Laurence Fox Reclaim Party?
I’d love to see the Reform Party team up with Laurence Fox. I think Reclaim could do better in parts of London for instance than Farage.
I agree. They really do need to “team up” & divide the seats between them depending on who would be most likely to win. Never voting “mainstream parties” ever again!
Agree. Whatever your opinions on Farage, he has a voice, he has a following, has an ability to galvanize support, and he usually does pretty well – I think UKIP got something like 12-13% of the votes 2015. Actually think he was reluctant to get back into the limelight in a ft leadership role, he said something to that effect a while ago… but if he teamed up with Fox &/or others, he is an asset, imo.
Farage has shot Lawrence’s Fox!
What he always does.He stops a credible alternative being formed.The major parties are totally corrupted and it is not enough that we escape lockdown.The whole rotten establishment needs to be held accountable and it can never be allowed to happen again.
If Fox has been against lockdown from the start, I’d vote for him instead
My feeling is he kept a bit quiet whereas Nigel seemed to be pro- lockdown in the early stages. Not that it really matters now, we just need as many parties as possible to vote for, against the establishment when/ if the chance comes- just don’t split the vote!
It’s a bit Judean Peoples Front, with Reform, Reclaim and Recovery. Everyone just needs to come together as one
True but they are both excellent communicators. I don’t care if it’s cynical opportunism on their part. I think Reform might do v well. Scrapping the TV licence fee, reforming the Lords, maybe introducing PR to the election process and charting a return to normality with a “never again” clause will prove hugely popular I think. Why else can we turn to?
In some ways though, that makes them more credible, and able to talk to the unconverted?
Good point. I remember Farage being just another voice in the chorus slating the government’s initial herd immunity strategy as “lunacy”. He even said that he had done his own rough calculations and estimated 250,000 dead if we didn’t go into lockdown.
He has come a long way since then, so I will give him credit where it is due. Fair play for changing his mind. This is not cynical opportunism either, because the sceptical view is still very much in the minority.
Yes, it’s fair enough to change one’s mind, I think. I myself got caught up in the ‘we’re all going to die’ mentality in March, but it was clear to me this was nonsense by the end of Easter week.
I had a moment, standing by the printer in March, a feeling of dread, tightness of breath, overwhelming physical weakness. I thought ‘This is it. The rona has heard my jokes and derision, and is going to punish me with death.’ Then I remembered I had drunk a finger or two more of whisky the night before than was good for me, and all the symptoms went away.
Even though I joined the Resistance on May 11th, I went on wearing disposable gloves at the supermarket for a couple of weeks after that. Death on the trolley handle!! Then I had a word with myself, and stopped that.
I don’t trust Farage.If he had stood his candidates in the election then Johnson wouldn’t have his 80 seat majority.
I question the judgement of anyone who thought lockdown was justified at the start
I did. I soon woke up, though. I’d seen the light by Easter.
As a senior public figure he should have seen the huge civil liberties implications of copying the CCP in locking heathy people up.
I should rephrase that,I don’t trust any politician who thought lockdown was a good idea.
Vast majority of people I meet are now sceptics, even people I know who were pro-lockdown. I think far less will stick to the rules, especially as the winter goes on, I just wonder when it will all kick off. I am not officially allowed to work from Thursday, not entitled to government help. Thank you to this site and all the posters on here, you help keep me sane.
It’s kicked off in Italy and in Spain. An Italian friend told me that this is due to money not being paid.
Maybe that’s why the government have just announced more help for self employed.How anyone can think this money can ever be repaid is beyond me.
The new lockdown can be seen as a plan to destroy what is left of small businesses and prepare the ground for a new digital currency when sterling collapses.
We all need to look out for each other. There are quite a few depressed/anxious people on here and it’s our duty to buoy them up. We WILL get through this madness.
Agreed Cranmer. Also, out and about, we all need to be both careful and considerate. People are going to really start suffering on a scale not seen for decades. It’s not nice weather, it’s dark early. People will not be necessarily behaving as they normally do. I think the game is pretty much up now, and Johnson is just playing for time.
Hear, hear!!! I’ve struggled badly and have every sympathy for those in the same situation and those in even worse situations.
We sceptics and those who are having issues need to stick together.
In the last few years, I’ve had to deal with some problems that make this Covid stuff look like a piece of p*ss. I was able to get through it partly because for years I’ve been interested in philosophy and theology, which was a kind of mental fitness regime which enabled me to withstand a massive psychological beating, but also because of the support of other people both in real life and online. We can all do a little bit to help each other through this.
Well said. Indeed we will. Stay with it. We all feel down at times, but remember – we are RIGHT.
I agree, realised months ago my thinking was right and my family are coming around to it now (still tell me to ‘shut up’ when I go on a bit!) which has made me strangely calm – I was pretty angry at first, especially as I saw how it was affecting my adult children in different ways but I firmly believe that this will end – more and more people are realising the government are not being straight with us.
I hope you are right about dissent. Meanwhile – best wishes.
Good luck, hope you come out the other side okay.
Pastimperfect posted this hours ago. It’s absolutely brilliant, so I’m reposting.
The situation very clearly expressed in a mere five minutes:
https://www.facebook.com/abir.mimouni.52/videos/10221676599616697
I love this man. Who’s laughing now, eh, David?
Could we get Wogan to do another interview ? What ?? Oh, ah well, never mind.
This sure narrows down the dating pool too. Women who don’t mask up are so rare but now they’re also the only ones I’d like to get to know further. I see a masked up picture on some online dating site and I ain’t swiping left, just closing the app in disgust.
WTF? You mean women are posting pics of themselves wearing masks on dating sites? What on earth is the point of that? It might as well be ‘burkha dating.’
Oh yes, I can vouch for this too!
If they’re masking up on an online dating site they surely have plenty to hide. You’re wise to steer clear!
It’s more fucking virtue signalling. ‘Oh look how caring I am, I’m muzzled up to save your granny. Why wouldn’t you want to date me?’
For most it’s probably just the latest fashion, like that stupid ‘dog ears’ filter that was all the rage a few years ago.
They actually do that on the photos!!??
That’s really funny!
Guess it depends on where their wearing the masks
Sorry boys, I’m married!
You’re better off using the LS forums.
Official covid deaths Gov Dashboard 46,717
Excess deaths at home exc covid 27,000
Excess cancer deaths 14,000+ est
Excess heart disease deaths 15,000+ est
10,000 more deaths due to cure than to the disease of covid.
56,000 have/will die of the cure so far!!!
One problem with those figures : the “official covid deaths” are questionable in terms of causation.
Exactly, my guesstimate us probably 75% of current “Covid” deaths would have happened within a month were there no Covid or include deaths really resulting from Lockdown conditions (eg demoralising isolation for people in care homes or living by themselves).
Who is left to test?
These are my thoughts this Monday evening.
Numbers might have reached a plateau/ be falling. We are now in November.
And that leaves us with…….(no prizes given)
Hospital testing should not be able to sustain the numbers of false positives / cases at current levels, so the number of false positives / cases must (I reckon) fall significantly from now on…but this is just my my humble opinion. Hope I am right.
As an aside I do worry these PCR tests pick up on fresher flu/other flu/sore throats and who knows what else…so that may continue to inflate numbers.
I think the next couple of months are key.
If ‘they’ want to put us in some sort of permanent, totalitarian lockdown, then we will see more and more falsifications of testing, conflations with flu tests etc, so that we get a never-ending ‘rise in cases’ to justify permanent lockdown.
If however ‘they’ just want to back down gracefully, we will get the ‘all clear’ in December to show that Boris has saved humanity with his lockdown.
He may wish but soon as Brexit is done, he’s toast.
Be careful what you wish for. Lockdown ends 3 December which gives less than a month for businesses to prepare to leave the EU. I wonder if we’ll get an open-ended postponement of Brexit.
Who will toast him? How? Will the replacement be any better?
Please please let it be the latter.
We can’t have that attitude. Yes, we can be sure their doom scenarios won’t come to pass for many reasons.
But we’ve been here before. Remember the original graph of doom? The ICL predictions back in March? The time for data is over. We can’t just sit and wait for things to show people, they’ll spin it and cherry pick again.
I predict an intermediate scenario of a breather over Christmas for some self-congratulation and happy masses, then it’ll be back to regional tiers come January.
Yes, that’s what will happen. Or National Lockdown #3, announced Jan 3rd. That ought to do it.
Maybe that’s why Gauleiter Johnson was talking about testing whole towns using the armed forces.
There are work related tests too. I’ve got no idea on the number of these, but know that sport and entertainment are testing at least a couple of times a week. Guessing this is in the low hundreds of pos tests though.
Thanks – not seen much UK data on these groups but you are probably right the numbers should be low. Whenever Sports people get a positive test they seem to (from what little I see in the press) pay for a retest and it then the next result comes back negative….so they carry on.
The team support and crew members don’t make the headlines though
Mayor of Toronto reveals new evidence that young people can end up with complications from ‘novel’ coronavirus that last for the rest of their lives.
“They say, some of them, ‘We are invincible. We are younger,’ and so on. First of all, the medical evidence has shown that people who get COVID at a young age… can end up with lung and heart conditions later into life, like the rest of their lives,” he said.
https://www.cp24.com/news/tory-turns-to-tiktok-to-get-public-health-message-out-to-younger-torontonians-1.5147872
And just how the hell, after less than a year of the virus, can he possibly know that? Has he got access to a bloody time machine or something?
F. me! An ability to fortell the future. What a talent!
Wow, he can see so far into the future. If he is so good at predicting the future, why doesn’t he set up a hedge fund and make billions for himself!
Haha! Does he he do stand up nights?
Does he mean “just like the flu” which can cause parent bent damage to vital organs such as the heart? Flu victims are clearly not important.
Yep, it even has a name … Post-Viral Fatigue or Syndrome. It applies to all viruses, but they try to make this one different somehow, supernatural even.
A line I’ve seen used is to claim that long Covid is made up of at least four different conditions, one of which is post-viral fatigue.
I am not denying by the way, that a pasting with Covid can be unpleasant, and it can have lasting (but permanent? like polio?) effects. But are those effects demonstrably different from a bad case of other types of virus?
My father’s sight was damaged forever as result of childhood measles.
Well, for a young person, failing to develop skills because you were unemployed affects you for the rest of your life too. If I were a young person I would be much more afraid of that than Covid, and nauseous at the sound of a comfortable middle aged man telling me why losing my future is good for me.
Mayor of Toronto, that well known medical expert.
Almost every serious disease has potential for long term repercussions. A classic example is malaria, which can come back regularly for decades. Doesn’t seem to have stopped millions of youngsters travelling to malarial countries, though.
Malaria is no problem so long as all mosquitos wear masks and observe social distancing.
I’d say the poor sods who live in Toronto have a really big problem.
Positive Tests vs Hospital admissions – tests lagged 5 days – two completely different epidemics – data from government dashboard
Alexander Johnson, you are incorrect about what the people of this country want.
You dismiss the notion of a constitution declaring our rights on the basis that’s not what we want? How do you know what we want? Have you asked us? Have you got a secret telepathic link to the minds of people in this country and we all say “no, we don’t want rights. We only want privileges that you can steal from us at your whim, and we want you to be able to play with our lives, to treat us like pawns in your game against this virus you claim to be so deadly”
What you don’t want is to be held accountable Alexander. You want the virus to be the bad guy, not you. The irresistible force that leaves you no choice. No alternative but to trample us underfoot.
We see through your disgusting dismissive attitude towards our lives. You may be getting away with it right now, but your day of reckoning with the people will come.
Well, as much as I would prefer it to be otherwise, politicians know what the country wants better than you. If the the House of Commons votes overwhelmingly for lockdown (and it will) you bet it’s because they know most people want to bring the country to ruin.
Politicians know what the country wants? And the country wants to be bought to ruin? I’m unaware of the poll that has asked people “do you want to bring the country to ruin?” and returned a majority vote in favour.
Maybe you could link me to that one.
It depends how you ask the question.
Do you want the country to be brought to certain ruin if there’s just a chance it just might save YOUR life?
YES!
No.
We have memorials in every town and village to people who did not think that a reasonable deal, either.
Think you have a point, cerati, also what people want and think is best is only ever based on a consideration of the info available to them. Since Govt are controlling this for the majority there is a sense in which they know what many want – they engineered it that way.
The idea everyone supports lockdown has been nonsense since day one . The polls are all on line and then we have to ask what are the questions being put to people ? .How many people were asked ? or are all the people working from home ?. How wrong have polls been over Brexit or the last 3 elections ?. why is it the government keeps saying everyone supports lockdown and in the next breath says not enough people are obeying rules ? ,how can both statements be true at once ?. We need to take no notice of any polls and even if i’m wrong and they are true ,then so what? we must fight on and bring people over to our point of view .Anyone who’s feeling that we aint got much support just go over to youtube and look up talk radio ,there are so many videos today of people on our side .We are winning and are turning the tide and don’t let anyone tell you different .
positive tests (18 day lag) vs fatalities – again two different epidemics
Interesting. One correction. These aren’t ‘epidemics’ (i.e 40 cases per 10000 in the community)
I’m puzzled by Germany. They had lots of cases, but much less death. Looking at Euromomo graphs – there has been no epidemic whatsoever. Why is this? Do they simply have a much better health care system than other countries? Anything else going on?
Any country that saw excess deaths in April have generally made the catastrophic decision to throw elderly patients into Care homes. Scotland, Northern Ireland, Sweden, England, NewYork. I think Spain too.
Outliers are Northern Italy and Belgium. I think Belgium would take a more informed look from someone who has followed it closely.
On Care homes in England and Wales there has been excess deaths through the entire year, with the vast majority not PCR positive for Covid.
You’ll also notice that while the vast majority of deaths in April occurred in care homes, those occurring now are in hospitals but the age profile hasn’t budged. I suspect they have realised the human rights abuse that they have committed and haven’t gone there again.
Graph courtesy of Hector Drummond
short answer better health provision especially in Hamburg.
I read in the spring they sent medical students to check on people who had it to check their oxygen levels rather than the NHS “Go away unless you are dying” attitude.
There was a suggestion early in the ‘pandemic’ that Germany were only recording deaths that were definitely/most likely covid as covid; they were not counting heart attacks, strokes, etc as covid, like we are. Plus, as the guys said, better health service.
Untangling this whole shit-show is going to take a lot of work – starting with trying to sort the data.
Despite that they lockdown again and no debate is allowed. Merkel is just as dictatorial as Johnson.
Big demo in Leipzig on the 7th if November.
Defend freedom and humanity … https://thewhiterose.uk/
There was a meme question on my blog site “What would you do if you were President or Prime Minister ?” Two people answered “Make everyone wear masks!” I’ve removed them from my reading list . Out of all the good things you could do like helping the disabled, planting trees and so on they choose that!
Make a note of their names for future reference.
Biden has made this a key campaign pledge throughout the run up to tomorrow’s election. One of his only genuine pledges actually.
I think both of them are American. How come cases are rising faster in places with masks if masks are so wonderful? Idiots!
Important UK study proves T cell immunity 6 mths after infection
https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/university/colleges/mds/news/2020/11/covid-moss-cellular-immunity.aspx
Cellular immunity to SARS-CoV-2 found at six months in non-hospitalised individualsT cell responses were present in all individuals at six months after SARS-CoV-2 infection. The cellular immune response was directed against a range of proteins from the virus, including the Spike protein
The size of T cell response differed between individuals, being considerably (50%) higher in people who had experienced symptomatic disease at the time of infection six months previously. Further research will be needed to determine the significance of this finding. It is possible that heightened cellular immunity might provide increased protection against re-infection in people with initial symptomatic infection, or that asymptomatic individuals are simply able to fight off the virus without the need to generate a large immune response.
You have to wonder how this kind of stuff just gets buried. This should devastate much of the ICL modelling given how much it relies of the susceptibility of the general population
Gupta and the GBD crew stand up!!
Good to see more of the younger public joining the fray. This is inspirational to me. I love younger people who stand up against this face masking bollocks. They are the exit mechanism. The copper I think wanted to cry.
https://www.facebook.com/1535982816520396/videos/635010897168546/
Outstanding individual. He must have had dealings with the police before to know exactly which questions to ask.
Remember that in the Philippines, the policeman would have shot this guy in the head without asking any questions and walked away. Perfectly legally.
Well done lad. I’d have snapped tbh.
Yeah – I’d encourage him to start earning a few quid teaching hot headed people like myself to keep their cool and win the argument without swearing.
Can be done, but involves getting slapped quite a bit.
The policeman came across as a bullying tyrant, if he wasn’t being filmed they would have framed the guy, there is no way the UK police should be routinely armed with individuals like that in the force.
Awesome! Such presence of mind!
Oh, what a condescending piece of work that police officer is. My god.
A police officer saying “jog on, jog on, jog on”?! WHAT?!
This cheered me right up. Some excellent comments too, the majority supportive of the young man.
IN France, as in the first lockdown, you are allowed out once a day for one hour (I think this is correct).
Before you leave your house you must print out a form from your computer which is date stamped. People without that facility seem to have to ask a friend to do it for them.
So this means you can only drive a very short distance. If you go further without valid reason (no visits to friends, that’s not valid) the fine is 135 Euros.
All the small shops have been forced to close. The supermarkets banned from selling non-essential items.
In what we used to call the free world.
Like many here he can now understand why the American people believe in being allowed to bear arms.
Can certainly understand why so many in America and around the world are afraid of their own governments, military and police. The French police seem very keen on enforcing the fascist rules and clamping down on resistance, history repeats itself.
No wonder countries around the world have had so many false flag events to disarm their populations whilst they make their police into militarised forces. Jacinda Arderns New Zealand springs to mind.
Definitely connected. The authoritarians do not want an armed populace.
France only had ‘democracy’ from the deth of De Gaulle, they had no experience of it until the late 60’s Germany was more democratic than France. There are many people who just dont understand it. What France has is the village and la Mairie where their local interests are safeguarded and dealt with at a local level. This hasnt happened in UK sinc ethe 60’s now we have apid for councillors doing their best to line the pockets instead of looking after their neighbours, why becuase they are not neighbours, they live in richer areas. The same as the police no longer live in the areas they are responsible for.
We don’t like guns in the UK but I at least see how a US government might be afraid of a populace with 300 million firearms. It’s definitely more of an equal fight.
Do fuck off. I realise it is a minority, but many people do appreciate firearms. And not only the state and criminals …
Yes, we moan about lockdown restrictions in the UK, but the Code Napoleon stuff with which people have had to put up with on the continent is absurd.
Yet the French (who usually love protesting) don’t take to the streets when it is most important – they have fled Paris in their hundred of thousands, pretty pathetic. Is is because most French people like big government and the nanny state?
All downhill since they introduced the metric system …
Ooh, ooh, not ‘being allowed’ to bear arms, Rosie, having an unalienable God-given right to bear arms.
Our transatlantic brothers & sisters get extremely animated on that point.
Quite right too.
If weapons are so useless, then why does the state want a monopoly on them.
Under the second wave in France you can only leave your house if there is not an Islamic terrorist within 500 metres trying to behead you.
Fauci on PCR. Any threshold over 34 will be just dead nucleotides. July. Se video
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/jm3w2d/anthony_fauci_on_pcr_if_you_get_a_cycle_threshold/
Did anyone have the misfortune of watching the BBC news report from Liverpool hospital just now?
I read about it on the website. Any small child could tell the NHSwinter is on the way! Even the animals know to prepare.
If squirrels had an NHS they would employ consultants on 1000 acorns a day to tell them about the importance of burying nuts.
The OT, who is a lockdown sceptic like me, just reported on the panic mongering of tonight’s BBC TV News. This is why so many are still not rising up. The media is creating a mass delusion and hysteria.
They are. They use all sorts of tricks eg getting the ICU doctor interviewed while in a surgical mask….could have interviewed him in his office. Total shite rubbish.
How apparently true is this!
Game Theory for Experts :
Is this where more ‘cases’ are going to appear from?
The ONS are bribing people to take part in their Coronavirus survey which involves taking a nose and throat swab and possibly blood test for the virus on a regular basis.
There is a £25 voucher for everyone in the household that takes part, every time they take part including children. The vouchers are emailed from:
latest-updates@sodexo-engage.com
My mum received the invite letter that you have to receive to take part. She told me to burn it. Has anyone else received it?
Have a read here, to me it’s spine chilling what’s going on.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/surveys/informationforhouseholdsandindividuals/householdandindividualsurveys/covid19infectionsurveycis#will-i-be-paid-for-taking-part
This has been going on for a while – since around June.
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2020/W25/728957041
We threw ours in the bin back in July
I mean why on earth would you do that?? They don’t even promise to tell you the result (ie, positive if the stormtroopers turn up!)
didnt get one but it will go with the bbc tax demand!
Oh my God, until a few weeks ago Sodexo was my employer. So glad I am out of that shitty company!
They are making loads of money, but my manager was not given the funds to buy us fleece jackets and I had to work in 14C with the wind blowing in!
The normal response is to test a piece of fruit. Or a vegetable. Or a pet.
I think they’re on to a that so they come to your house to conduct the test.
My mum was speechless, given she can’t get an f2f appointment with the doctor re her diabetes treatment.
Disgraceful, that’s all I can say. My friend had her yearly physical ON THE PHONE with her doctor today. I’m certain the doctor billed the government (aka taxpayers) for a full physical even though there was nothing physical about it. It appears we are getting the same level of non-care here in Canada as you’re getting. I wasn’t sure as I stay away from medical professionals if at all possible, particularly now.
The number of deaths throughout the world at the peak was around 6800. Current global average October 22-28 is around 6100.
Total world population is 7.5 billion
4000 daily deaths in the UK with a population of 66M doesn’t pass a basic reality check.
See the very first graph here:
https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938
Everyone in Liverpool to be “offered” Covid tests as 2000 military personnel deployed to the city. Is this voluntary, or can you refuse?https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everyone-liverpool-tested-covid-19-19210041?fbclid=IwAR1DMoeMgl6XRVq3lg1JHEicZYAACdAtv9x3h3nTInva8wZVltdQWR_1ocY
They haven’t pulled that scam.
Yet.
I don’t think they can rely on the army in a battle with the people.The army is mainly patriotic Northern working class men.
Very clever move. Get the people accustomed to the sight of the military on the streets, under the guise of assisting the NHS.
This only ends up in one place if we allow it to go all the way. With corpses piling up in pits.
Reading that makes me want to cry.
They really are utterly sick, aren’t they.
Yep – made me angry. This is the guy in control of the NHS for six years and – despite pandemic exercises being held in his Department – he never put in place any effective planning for a pandemic e.g. stocks of PPE, ventilators, oxygen, emergency ICU facilities, training of auxiliary staff…all the stuff any intelligent person would ensure was kn place (especially after the Novochik incident). Hunt completely failed in the job and yet the MSM treat him like some font of wisdom.
That is the end of road. Simple. If they use the Army in Northern Ireland, which Arlene Foster has threatened, God knows what happens. Tinder box.
https://fermanaghherald.com/2020/10/foster-army-may-be-called-on-in-covid-fight/
the law of unintended consequences
But comments are encouraging
F*&k Me – 2,000 Military Personnel to be deployed in Liverpool. Have they reported that right? Joe Anderson (the mayor) is a right Tory tool. People of Liverpool resist. Resist the Tories masquerading as the Labour Party.
The numbers of positive tests in Liverpool have been falling. Government can’t have that so let’s test everyone and find some more asymptomatic cases and false positives to keep up Project Fear.
It’s all happening very quickly. No mention of it being mandatory, but we can all sense what they want to happen.
Slovakia has already pulled the “it’s not mandatory, but…” With the UK being more high profile, I imagine they’d have to be a little more careful here though.
Another trick to turn people against each other. Those who refuse to take part will be branded Christmas-wreckers.
Grinch is my middle name …
Everyone in Liverpool to be “offered”
Covid testsDNA collection kits as 2000 military personnel deployed to the city.Fixed that for you.
You can’t test your way out of a pandemic! Knobs!
Yes cos it’s such an emergency there that cases have declined by 50% since the peak of 7 Oct (a week before Tier 3 was introduced). I doubt this will go down well with locals.
Maybe I am missing something but would you need to ask people or try to force people to be tested in a real pandemic.
Hanging by a thread.
Pivotal moment.
At the cliff edge.
Tipping point.
In the balance.
Welcome to the politics of fear.
Offering hope has completely disappeared from the UK political landscape.
That being said, promises of hope given by politicians have almost always been completely false. I think I prefer this grim pessimism as it is much closer to the truth of the future we are being offered.
Indeed but the weird thing is, this is all self-inflicted…an act of enormous national self-harm. Not a war visited on us by some implacable enemy or some awful natural calamity. Just sheer stupidity.
It’s gone beyond stupidity.its inconceivable that Whitty and Vallance do not know what they are doing.So that leaves us with 2 Options.That the entire establishment have gone stark raving mad or that they are engaged in a conspiracy to lockdown the country again.
Stupidity ? Really OKUK ?
What about following the underlying progression of this bollox, and considering that there might just possibly be a plan invovlved ?
Has everyone seen this? Apols if it’s old hat.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/world-doctor-alliance-oracle-berlin-10-10-20-4-min-clip_5aYNrW5yS1rmeMo.html
If these credible and sane voices keep speaking out it must eventually hurt our criminal Govt badly and those elsewhere.
agreed – wish there was also a uk based version though…
I have no doubt the lockdowns and psychological warfare being carried out by the state are leading to this. Unfortunately people are accustomed to being told what to do and unquestionably following orders for the easy life.
DANGEROUS & INEFFECTIVE VACCINES WILL BE FORCED! – HERE’S HOW THEY’LL DO IT!https://www.bitchute.com/video/8lfZM2GfJtgg/
I spoke to this guy at an alternative conference in Philadelphia in 2019 where he was one of the speakers. He is authentic, and has an excellent sense of humour.
The main theme of his speaking contributions was addressing the looming threat of widespread big tech censorship of alternative media. Very prescient stuff.
Banned from YouTube so must be speaking the truth.
Also like Press for Truth, very interesting video on how the military intelligence forces around the world are now focusing their resources on propagandising and demoralising their own populations. Very sad lockdown sceptics are now being actively targeted by our police, military and establishment.
CANADIAN MILITARY FAKE WOLVES FEAR CAMPAIGN EXPOSED! BUT YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING NEXT!https://www.bitchute.com/video/HyIINlDnbon1/
Dan Dicks was also a speaker at the above 2019 conference. Another top bloke.
Did you see his confrontation with loathsome BLM activist zombies from earlier this year?
Will have to watch that, he is doing very good work on a small budget and clearly being heavily censored.
Would love to go to one of the conference in the future, can’t see it happening with the health passports, social credits etc.
Not much shocks me these days but I was truly shocked to discover the UK CV vaccine was being trialled not against an inert placebo but against a Meningitis Vaccine. That seems to violate everything one thought one understood about drug trial protocols.
Which supposedly caused the death of one of the trial participants in Brazil.
Reported in the MSM as “he only got the placebo so we don’t need to worry”.
The level of criminality here is off the charts. Quite simply, we are all currently on the receiving end of the greatest crime against humanity in all history.
The British establishment isn’t worried about Brazilian lives. You can get a damehood and promotion to be the boss of the Met for killing a Brazilian.
Vaccines are not normally tested using drug trial protocols. I once looked to find a randomised double-blind vaccine trial. Ho ho ho.
I believe only one childhood vaccine was tested against an inert placebo. Every other vaccine, childhood and otherwise, has been “safety” tested against another vaccine. People are shocked to find out that this is how it’s always been done, long before Covid. They’d also be shocked to learn that the Hepatitis B vaccine given to newborns who, by the way, are at no risk of Hep B, was studied for 30 days post-vaccination for “long-term” effects. New parents spend far longer researching car seat safety than vaccine safety. I put myself in this category, but did become more knowledgable over time and more sceptical.
Just having a bedtime read through ATL, and saw this –
FUCK ME SIDEWAYS !
Wrong. A certain G. Taylor CEO of the PFA trousers £2MILLION a year!!
So Taylor is STILL on the gravy train, is he?
Sadly yes, and hanging on like grim death.
Last time I saw him on TV he could hardly get a coherent sentence out.
I’m sure all the teachers will be more than happy to know what becomes of their Union subscriptions.
sorry if already posted but this is brilliant:-
https://cairnsnews.org/2020/11/02/police-blow-whistle-on-coronavirus-deception/
doubt that many uk plods have got the necessary brain power to come up with something similar, but we can hope…
It’s a great letter, and he’s right, of course.
Pity to read that he has already been ‘spoken to’.
I wouldn’t describe myself as particularly left wing or right wing in terms of politics.
That’s my caveat because what I’m going to say next will come across some like some right wing demagogue.
Couldn’t help but notice that Professor Andrew Hayward, a visible and voluminous member of SAGE, has been spouting off on the airwaves today about how the new lockdown has come too late and means that ‘thousands’ of lives which would have been saved by an earlier lockdown have now been lost.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-national-lockdown-boris-johnson-december-latest/ (probably need to scroll back)
Upon reading this I thought, who the fuck is this Andrew Hayward? So I checked him out. He’s part of a cabal who present themselves as:
https://ukprp.org/what-we-fund/actearly/
UCL Collaborative Centre for Inclusion Health
Building Evidence | Supporting InclusionInclusion health is a social justice movement
And various other left-wing do gooder think-tankery-wankery.
We need to stop our economy being held hostage by public sector arseholes who do not suffer at all in lockdowns, have no practical healthcare experience and are pre-disposed to argue against common-sense and long-tested health-epidemic practices and reason.
The entire membership of SAGE should rapidly become discredited for group-think and political manoeuvres. We may need to take a leaf out of our opponents books and start playing the man, not the ball.
Can we designate a lamp post in Whitehall for official corpse roasting duties?
You only have to go one or two clicks on Google and you find they are all involved with mad cults. Michie is a Far Left extremist who loves Communist dictatorships. Ferguson and Edmunds are part of the “Vaccine Centre” that wants to develop vaccines for every single disease and engineer a situation where every last human being on the planet receives these hundreds of vaccines!
Is there a definitive list of members and their conflicting and dubious interests?
It’s not a team sport. Of course we play the man or the woman or the ball.
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Just look at this pair of douchebags. They have no idea what is being done to them.
The good news is, they will both be infertile before the end of next year.
North West Ambulance Service have issued a statement saying that there’s nothing to suggest that the increase in calls seen today is anything to do with covid-19.
Sack them all. How dare they contradict the cult.
Didn’t stop ITV on the 10pm news stating that it was Covid related. All liars.
We’re at the mercy of ‘fifth column’ Extinction Rebellion sympathisers (Sage) and multi-millionaires (Vallance, Fatboy, etc). None of them have ‘any skin in the game.’ We need to escape!
Yep. And the only escape route is via populism.
More Evidence Public Mood is Changing away from Lockdown
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8907339/How-No10s-experts-shamelessly-manipulated-data-terrify-England-locking-down.html
DM Continues to talk truths at last. Rejoice. I do. I have hope.
DM cannot be trusted. They see themselves as a highly controlled safety valve for opposition to globalism but, still, if that means they have to allow some exposure to sceptical arguments, then good.
Yes. Praise be that Dacre slung his hook. One bright event.
It’s a pretty good piece; Ross Clark has done some good sceptical articles.
I notice the ‘experts’ from Cambridge are still thinking in terms of stupid numbers, though.
Err… no.
https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1323401447451623426
Have you seen this!? THIS!?
This dense, inadequate, thoroughly unpleasant man continues to make me feel sick.
People really must be morons if they still buy into this crap even when it is presented to them by someone who is so obviously thoroughly unpleasant.
Just want a second opinion on PHE data on excess deaths:
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html
PHE have total excess deaths for week 42 as 674, to which they state all have Covid on the death certificate (more or less)
But if you scroll down to place of death, excess deaths are recorded as the following:
Own home – 638
Care home – 67
Hospital – 15
Hospice – -113
Other places – 56
What I find interesting is that 662 of these deaths are specifically stated as non-Covid (ie. Covid does not appear on the death certificate).
Obviously i’m biased, but surely the non-Covid deaths represent the actual excess mortality for the week rather than the “with Covid” deaths?
With the army being deployed in Liverpool we now have confirmation that this isn’t about a virus.
Already mentioned below with a story from the Liverpool Echo. This is from The Telegraph (paywall)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/02/mass-covid-testing-plan-offer-route-lockdown/
This looks like a bribe:
Anyone who tests positive, and contacts who are required to self-isolate will be entitled to a £500 Test and Trace support payment. However, those who are currently told to self-isolate by the NHS app are not given access to such payments, a situation ministers have promised to rectify.
But apparently it only applies if you’re on benefits.
Still, some people going to make good money out of this.
Correct. Psychologically preparing the public for mass vaccination under de facto martial law. No getting around this folks, we are all going to have to face this eventuality soon.
They may have picked the wrong city to try this out on. Most people in Liverpool still regard the Tories with suspicion at best, visceral loathing at worst.
What about we Tories who have a visceral loathing for this government.
Not In My Name time again!
Forget the Tories. Forget Labour. Forget all of them. We are living in a one party technocracy, and have been since 23rd March.
Naomi gvnr of South dakota is Amazing.. I think she says it all.
It’s one thing to wear a mask thinking it might do some good.
It’s quite another to want to be forced to do it without having a choice.
I honestly don’t know why people would want the ability to choose taken away from them.
Social engineering, decades in the making. It’s diabolical yet at the same time brilliant.
We are up against a formidable enemy. This is not David versus Goliath, it’s an ant crawling on David’s foot versus Goliath.
Because the powers that be insidiously made mask wearing about protecting others. People don’t want us to have the ability to choose because they believe we are a danger to them.
Quite interesting the date and times chosen by the government to bring in and announce restrictions. Magna Carta anniversary, Halloween night and Bonfire night …. Dates and symbolism seem very important to these people.
IT’S ALL SO OBVIOUS NOW – SO IS THAT THE PLAN?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlWRnwh-ps
Long Covid?
Nah! Just take of the mask, you fucking idiot!
I don’t care. People have been suffering this kind of post-viral syndrome for decades. This person’s suffering does not justify making life a misery for everyone else in the society in perpetuity. Fuck him.
Yup! Malcolm Kendrick said as much in an interview.
Post viral syndrome is an unpleasant condition and probably most of us have suffered it in varying degrees. It can be v serious eg effects on the heart muscle. But it’s nothing new. End of story.
Very reasonable response. He’s trying to eff over your life, so why give him any time of day?
Quite, and if he really did have all these problems he wouldn’t have the energy to indulge himself with such a grotesque act of virtue signalling.
The mother fucker is probably an actor.
If it makes him feel better to be a poster child for the greatest enslavement and genocide in history, have at it.
Exactly – it’s called bad luck isnt it? If I got the virus and had some long lasting effects, I wouldnt expect the whole country to pay with their lives so they could be as miserable as me.
Not that I necessarily think the NHS should survive now, I am assuming this person is hoping it will look after his many ailments, but how can it so that if no one is working and paying any taxes to pay for it?? Tossers.
Just saw this on my Twitter feed:
I love how when we have a childhood obesity epidemic our media focuses on the problem of ..starving children in the UK…only problem is they can’t produce one starving child, just a lot of very fat mothers complaining about how they can’t feed their children. It’s a weird world!
Sums it up perfectly. Hopefully this one will travel far and wide.
I think a significant reason why this is going to run and run is that vast numbers of people have had absolutely nothing of any interest or importance ever occur in their lives. The mundanity of prosperity. Suddenly, they feel like they are contributing to something important outside of themselves for the very first time, and it is becoming addictive.
That is so true, many do feel they are doing the right thing, wearing masks to save humanity, volunteering for testing, voluntarily lining up to be vaccinated……sleep walking into this dystopian new world. That’s the insidiousness at the core of this government propaganda program.
I’ve been speculating with a like-minded friend about the prospects for the vaccine. We concluded there will be two groups: 0-30 years old get the cyborg slave shot, 30+ years old get the outright kill shot.
Pretty wild stuff I know, but I sense more and more that this is the kind of darkness we are headed for.
Thanks Richard, it’s not like I don’t already have a massive sense of foreboding.
I feel like I’m just going through the motions while those around me are happily masking up and ‘all in this together’.
Smug, wet, virtue signalling imbeciles.
Del Bigtree’s non-profit, ICAN, sued the NIH to get access to the Phase 1 trial data from Moderna. Not much “meat” yet, but we can see where this is headed:
On October 29, 2020, ICAN received the first 332 of 1,093 pages — the remainder of which will be produced shortly. Despite only receiving a portion of the data, what ICAN has already received provides important information for the public to know in evaluating Moderna’s vaccine. For example, the documents ICAN received reveal that approximately 70% of participants reported unsolicited adverse events, many of which are extremely concerning.
Del Bigtree is one of the largely unsung heroes. I am delighted that of the dozens of Covid vaccines in “development”, he has chosen to focus on the most sinister of all.
Our Chancellor of the Exchequer, whom many are touting as the successor to Johnson, manages a hedge fund which is a major investor in Moderna. Dishi Rishi “Aleister Crowley” Sunak.
I hope Greg Clark and Graham Stringer remember, when they have Whitty and Vallance in front of them tomorrow, the little tidbit Neil Ferguson told them about their attitude to models. (1st bold bit)
He also gave them some advice about models in general. (2nd bold bit)
Giving evidence to the Science and Technology Select Committee on 10th June 2020 Ferguson told MP Graham Stringer.
These two scammers knew exactly what they were doing on Saturday night!
Aleister Crowley would have been, and maybe will be yet, a great PM.
Indeed. Always judge a man by who doesn’t like him.
Has anyone else read the letter from the Australian police chief that Toby has referenced above the line? It’s a masterpiece.
Yep, I’ve read it and kept the link open to share with various lockdown ‘complacents’ I know to open their eyes.
Well done Andrea. Is it just me or is it saying that this is a globalist takeover?
And it spells out exactly why there’s no need for a vaccine anyway.
Absolutely clear that this is a global coup, though not the word used. It’s so clear about what has happened, the way the police are being used to enforce it, near-compulsory vaccination, human rights, every thing that my brain can’t yet read it properly, that the letter is real, that reality is real, that I’m not stuck in a movie.
It’s only a masterpiece for us. The brainwashed will be incapable of absorbing its message. Almost as if the words on the page are incomprehensible to them, even if they are able to read them in sequence.
I’d have thought the letter would have made the headlines somewhere, if only here.
Another masterpiece from the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54786130 but it does mention the problem with false positives.
James Gallagher’s articles tend to be nothing more than Government propaganda.
He doesn’t bother to mention the fact that Liverpool’s postive test results 7 day average has halved in the last two weeks.
Translation: Joe wants more money.
Fuck off, Jeremy; ain’t nobody testing me!
I received my copy of ‘We Do Lockdown’ from Dung Beetle books today, as recommended by Toby a while ago. It’s wonderful! If anyone hasn’t considered buying a copy I strongly recommend you do, it’s hilarious! I think I might be buying some Christmas present copies!
https://dungbeetlebooks.com
DavidC
Yes, Rosie it is excellent..Thanks . Just a bit more info..
see above for letter in full (green links list)
Cops for Covid Truth.
October 26, 2020
To: Michael Fuller
Police Commissioner of New South Wales
RE: Open Letter Concerning the Police Enforcement of ongoing COVID-19 restrictions
Very good comparison is drawn between the use of the PCR with a speed detection device
And now the RT PCR test…………..
In the same way we cannot use an inaccurate speed detection device to proctor a civilian’s speed, the same must be demanded of a faulty RT PCR test and as such, police should not in any way mandate testing for covid-19, or rely on any outcome of the results.
In similar no nonsense style Micheal Fuller destroys NSW state policies one short paragraph after another…………
A must read
All this latest hoo-haa seems to have us trapped in a morass of micro-management detail with nobody having the courage, imagination or vision to step back and take a broad look. My understanding is that 80% of people that pick up SARS-Cov2 virus are asymptomatic/mild.
So that means for 80% – 53,320,000 of the UK population this virus is irrelevant to their personal health.
all these lock-downs are being done for the 20% – 13,330000 people who are potentially susceptible to serious covid
The hospital fatality rate for Covid dropped from a peak of 7% to below 2% for the first wave and so statistically if all the people susceptible to serious Covid got infected then the absolute maximum possible Covid deaths in the UK would be about 250,000.
Please check; Is there a flaw in my maths/logic?
If not why is nobody in government doing this sort of simple reality check to offset against all the scary doom predictions?
what country would that be, the UK? Sure make him PM, then make Yusaff hate speech don’t critique the ludicrous islam first minister then we’ll be diverse and inclusive and we’ll have all Davos sponsored NWO men in charge, no wait sorry, we’ve all ready got that. None of these people are British, not Johnstone not Sunak, none of them. They have sold us out to sinister forces. There are perhaps thirty or forty people in all of our Parliaments that aren’t in the NWO club and these fellas won’t be getting anywhere near power. Those thinking that gurning tosser Sunark is gonna do anything are fucking deluded
Anyone listen to that bedwetter Stewart on Talk Radio? Absolute busy body that loves the rules and regs but doesn’t want to lockdown.
https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol