Second Wave of Hysteria Arrives
Here we go – brace positions. The UK’s “Rule of Six” ban on social gatherings over six people comes into force today, and the Government confirmed yesterday that it includes children in England (unlike in Wales and Scotland).
Denmark – the country once lauded for its coronavirus response – has been placed on England’s quarantine watch list due to rising cases (even though on most days since June it’s had no Covid deaths at all). Countries around Europe tighten restrictions. Israel locks down again.
SAGE scientist Professor Sir Mark Walport warns that the UK is “on the edge of losing control” while Professor Peter Openshaw (of, you’ve guessed it, Imperial College) intones that the public must “act fast” and fall into line or face a second lockdown. Panic is back.
“You’ve only got to look across the Channel to see what is happening in France and what’s happening in Spain,” says Professor Walport. “The only way to stop the spread of this infection is to reduce the number of people we all come into contact with.”
And what is happening in France and Spain? Let’s see.
A huge rise in cases positive tests, and little else. Hospitals in some areas such as Madrid have seen a gentle rise in COVID-19 admissions, but nothing they can’t handle or to indicate runaway growth like in March. Sweden, meanwhile, is seeing an ongoing decline in deaths and cases and a strong economic recovery – the most likely explanation for which is the emergence of population immunity at lower than anticipated antibody levels, as Professor Sunetra Gupta has long argued.
Time to get a grip before we find ourselves plunged into a dismal and economically devastating winter. The facts are these. No country has yet seen more than 0.1% of its population die with COVID-19 – Peru is currently the worst hit with 925 deaths per million (even though it has the world’s most severe lockdown), while most others are well below that. Sweden’s death toll stands at 578 deaths per million, around 0.06% of its population, 75% of whom were residents of nursing homes or receiving at-home care. The average age of death in most countries is over 80 and in general countries are worse affected when their recent flu seasons have been mild, suggesting this epidemic is little different in form or scale to the annual seasonal round of flu.
Crucially, no country has yet seen anything that could be called a “second wave”. Florida and the southern United States experienced a delayed first wave in the summer along with South America but that now seems to be on its way out. Spain, France, Denmark and others are seeing an Autumn ripple, presumably as a result of having full herd immunity deferred by lockdown, and which we can assume will be larger or smaller depending on how far the country still has to go.
The fear is that these ripples will become new waves as winter sets in. But that is pure conjecture, and Sweden’s experience suggests it is baseless. We can’t keep wrecking economies, undermining livelihoods and stunting lives out of an abundance of caution when all the evidence suggests the fear is unwarranted.
Time for our political leaders to learn from Sweden and lead us out of this mess, not deeper in.
Casedemic Grows
A rise in “cases” (positive tests) is not always down to a rise in infections. It could be a result of doing more tests or it could come through testing more people from higher risk groups. A nurse has got in touch to flag up a potential new source of such second wave “cases”.
I work as an acute medical nurse delivering care to patients in the community. Thought you might like to know that the trust I work for is now asking that we swab all care and nursing home patients on admission to our service. If this is being replicated across the country then I expect we’ll soon see a ‘second wave’ caused by false positive results. The moronic inferno continues.
Since the Government still appears to be basing policy on raw case numbers regardless of the number of tests and other key indicators, expect the idiocy to continue.
Delingpole Battles Mask Hysteria
James Delingpole has written a great piece for Lockdown Sceptics about his recent trip to Greece and the absurdity of having to wear masks on planes – but only when you’re not eating or drinking.
I do feel half-sorry for the airlines, caught between a rock and hard place. They have to give the appearance of strictness in order stop Covid bedwetters like the woman in the above story bleating to the press. At the same time, though, they cannot be too strict because flying would simply become unbearable: how could you eat or drink if you had to wear your mask for the entire journey? So what you end up with is a ridiculous fudge. Or, if you prefer, a canny compromise. The bedwetters get to satisfy their Stasi urges by seeing the head steward tell people like me off for wearing their mask incorrectly as they board the plane. And people like me get their revenge by making one packet of crisps and one bottle of water last an entire three and a half hour flight, aware that if you’re visibly drinking or eating– or on the verge of doing so – no steward or stewardess is going to tell you to pull your mask up.
Tell me, any epidemiologists or virologists reading this: is it true that coronavirus never infects people who are removing their masks for the purposes of eating or drinking, only those who have removed their masks just to be obstreperous, disobedient sods? I’m no scientist, but my gut feeling is that viruses make no such distinction and that therefore the whole exercise in enforcing masks on aeroplanes is utterly fraudulent. Even more absurd was the announcement after the plane landed ordering us to make sure that as we disembarked we should be sure to maintain two metres social distancing in the aisles. R-i-g-h-t. So the cunning virus lies dormant when you’re sitting for three and a half hours six inches away from the passengers either side of you – biding its time ready to strike as you leave, the moment you are foolish enough to close the two metre gap between you and the person leaving ahead of you? Truly we are living in Clownworld. But the really scary thing is, most people don’t seem to know we’re living in Clownworld. They’ve accepted the insanity as normal and think that people like you and me are the weird ones.
We’ve given it pride of place on the right-hand side under “Masks: How Effective Are They?”.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Listen to James Delingpole interviewing Douglas Murray for the Delingpod.
Kim-Jong Dan Sends In The Storm Troopers
Lockdown protests in Melbourne, capital city of the People’s Democratic Republic of Victoria, ended in 74 arrests and nearly 200 fines yesterday. News.com.au has the story and footage.
Riot police were seen holding shields, attempting to separate the “hostile crowd” chanting “freedom”. Several people were arrested and issued with fines, with police escorting more protesters away as they contained the demonstration. Peel St where the protesters marched was completely blocked off. In its statement, police said they were disappointed that many protesters were aggressive and threatened violence towards officers. However, there were no injuries to police identified so far.
Police say they expect to issue further fines once they confirm the identity of other individuals. “Anyone thinking of attending a protest can expect the same swift and firm response from police as has consistently occurred in relation to such behaviour,” the police statement said. “We again urge people not to leave home to protest.”
Hundreds of protesters showed up but they struggled to gather and were overwhelmed by the police. The organisers say they hope to have larger numbers in the coming days and put the police on the “back foot”.
Shocking to see such hard-line and disproportionate treatment of people merely for exercising their democratic rights in the face of the most extreme curbs on liberty the Western world has ever seen (including during wartime). Depressing how quickly democratic Governments can turn monstrous.
A Professor of Economics Writes…
Gordon Hughes, a former Professor of Economics at Edinburgh, has emailed to say how good he thought yesterday’s analysis by James Ferguson of the false positive rate of the PCR test was.
I am glad that you have published the piece by James Ferguson as it covers almost exactly what I had thought of writing up when the Boris plan of testing everyone daily was first mooted – not so much moonshot as moonshine!
Since anyone with some undergraduate training in probability or statistics should be able to spot the consequences of mass testing when prevalence rates are lower than test error rates, it is astonishing – and sad – that the whole of the UK’s official establishment gets stuck on an approach that is simple statistical nonsense. In part this reflects the absence of serious consequences for failure. The NBA in the US realised that false positives might jeopardise their TV revenues from the current play-offs and rapidly introduced a two-test procedure (using different labs) before excluding participants who tested positive.
There are two points that might interest you – the first ironic, the second important.
A. Matt Hancock has an M.Sc in Economics from Cambridge which includes compulsory course in statistics, etc. He was at Christ’s College, where I taught maths and statistics for economics for 15 years, though I moved on before his time. It is often argued that more mathematical or scientific education would ensure that policymakers have a better grasp of scientific and technical issues. What this example shows is that both politicians and senior civil servants are the archetypal victims of group-think, displaying a complete incapacity to apply independent judgement even when they are in a deep hole.
B. It seems possible – even likely – that local or regional clusters of new covid “cases” are no more than artefacts of differences in testing procedures across different labs leading to differences in false positive rates. Any competent and responsible body managing a decentralised program of mass testing should carry out and publish cross-validation tests – this is elementary quality control. Differences in Ct values is one example but there are other potential sources of spurious differences. In current circumstances any public health body should publish aggregate statistics for each lab on a daily basis – differentiated by date of swab and date of test.
In any area where a positive test – e.g. drug testing – may imply large personal or social costs it is a fundamental principle that a single positive test may be suspicious but consequences only follow if it is confirmed by a separate test carried out at a different lab. The concern to minimise transmission means that it may be reasonable to ask people to self-isolate on getting an initial positive result but it should be the obligation of testers to organise a second test within 48 hours (easily manageable for a few thousand daily positives). No-one should be asked to put up with a 14-day quarantine period unless an initial positive test has been confirmed by a second positive test at a different lab.
It will please Professor Hughes to learn that James Ferguson has a degree in Economics from Edinburgh.
LinkedIn Again – But Gagged
Following our story on Saturday about the LinkedIn user whose account was summarily shut down merely for posting a link to a mainstream lockdown sceptic, the reader has been in touch to say his account is back – but with a heavy price.
Holy s***. LinkedIn just responded and said they would restore my account only if I agree not to post content which may “interfere in or improperly influence an election” or “directly contradicts guidance from leading global health organisations and public health authorities”.
In these hysterical and censorious times social media censorship is one of the big challenges Western civilisation faces. When free speech dies, so does truth. Tolerance of dissent is at a low ebb right now and the public health “emergency” has only supercharged the efforts of the thought police.
Freshers’ Week Without the Fun
Sunderland University have invited its new intake to get their avatar ready for “Virtual Freshers Welcome Week“. I’m sure they can’t wait.
Write To Your MP
It is always encouraging when readers send us copies of the letters they’ve sent to their MPs explaining why the Government’s Covid suppression strategy in all its lamentable manifestations is so misguided. Writing to MPs is great way of doing something to make sure our political representatives are aware of the facts and counter-arguments and that not all their constituents have been brainwashed by Project Fear on Steroids.
We can’t publish them all, though they are all a delight to read. Here’s one we received today, which is worth quoting at length.
My feelings towards the policy the Government has taken over COVID-19 are the same as they were in March. I am totally against Lockdown and the effect it has on the population, and especially the younger generations.
I am a fit retiree of 65 years, and Lockdown has not affected my life particularly, as indeed it hasn’t with many other retirees I know. However, I would like to illustrate some close personal cases:
– My cousin of 68 years, who lives on her own, was due a double hip replacement in May. It was delayed because the hospitals in her area (Midlands) were closed to all elective surgery in preparation for Covid. She is in pain, and can barely walk despite using crutches. She still has no date for her much needed surgery.
– My daughter, aged 34, a lawyer with a charity in London, has recently been made redundant because of redundancies within the organisation. She and her husband, who also has job insecurities as he is a Theatre Manager in London, have been working from their small home in London since March. Their plans to move, with mortgage now impossible, have put their lives on hold.
– My father in law’s funeral is taking place tomorrow in north Norfolk. Many of us, in the 20 strong group, are travelling 100s of miles for the ceremony, and yet because of the ridiculous and arbitrary rule of six are not able to have a reception afterwards.
– An elderly friend of mine, in her 80s, living on her own, is suffering with isolation. She does not have family living nearby and relies on the game of bridge for her connection with others. This is not possible now because so many of her friends are terrified of socialising over cards etc. The successful online bridge is not easy for many elderly folk, and they are suffering.
– Yesterday I met with a young single friend in her 40s who is in despair as she says it feels like her life is imploding. She works in the finance sector in London, and her job is insecure and now she is unable to proceed with the mortgage for the purchase of her first home, which she had set her heart on.
– Last week, my husband and I were up in London. We caught a rush hour train from Surrey, which was all but empty, and it was utterly dispiriting, in walking from Leicester Square to Piccadilly, to see the empty restaurants and tourist shops open, but with the staff pleading with us to come in. London life is totally unsustainable in its current state.
And yet the Government persists in this collision course. What don’t you get? Why don’t you listen to the increasing evidence that says that Lockdowns don’t work?
As far as I can see, this Government’s only success has been in scaring much of the British population witless. I am appalled at the way the Government and the BBC revel in figures of pending doom.
I quote Professor Carl Heneghan from the Spectator, in today’s online version: “Admissions for Covid, critical care bed occupancies and deaths are now at an all-time low. There are currently 600 patients in hospital with Covid compared to over 17,000 at the height of the epidemic. An average of ten patients a day die with Covid registered on their death certificate, compared to over 1,000 at the peak.”
At the start of Lockdown in March, I registered as an NHS volunteer responder. Like many in our area, I logged on every day for 2 months, and was never called. I also joined a local Scrubs sewing group to “help”, and it was farcical (pattern drafting, fabric selection etc… and was akin to “Dad’s army”) and this has since closed, as the demand for scrubs and gowns is not required.
I quickly became a very disillusioned but caring and concerned citizen of Elmbridge.
When I received a recent email from NHS volunteer “ we urgently need your help Louise “ I despair. Who is funding this campaign and how much is it costing the taxpayer?
Given the personal cases I have noted and the misery this Government’s policy is causing you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I joined the Conservative Party under Theresa May, and whilst not a Brexiteer wanted to help and supported you. I met you briefly at a local function a few years ago and liked what you said. Like many, I wanted things to work for you and for the country.
However, I can never support this Government who appear intent on complete destruction of the fabric of our society. I suspect I am not alone.
Indeed you are not.
Government Consultation on Vaccine Roll Out
If you haven’t responded to this Government consultation on the roll out of a Covid vaccine, you probably should, particularly if you’re a scientist. It begins: “COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history…” and it’s all downhill from there.
To give you a taste of what it is the Government is “consulting” about doing, read the section on liability.
The current legal framework already recognises that if manufacturers or healthcare professionals are asked to supply an unlicensed medicine in response to a public health threat, it is unfair also to ask them to take responsibility for the consequences of the use of that medicine in the way that they normally would.
The deadline for responding is September 18th.
Round-Up
- “Millions at greatest risk from coronavirus may be told to stay at home again” – Government prepares to advise the vulnerable to stay at home for the entire winter and not see anyone. What could possibly go wrong, except thousands dying for want of medical attention, and from loneliness and despair?
- “No ‘rule of six’, please, we’re British. We can make our own decisions” – Lord Justice Gumption on the money again in the Times. Make that man Prime Minister
- “Chris Whitty’s science says, ‘Stay indoors and hide.’ Jeremy Clarkson says, ‘What a load of tripe’” – Some clear-headed sense in the Times from the outspoken petrolhead
- “Past generations would have toughed this out” – Luke Johnson in the Times sees in this a crisis born of our generation’s sentimentality, hypochondria and decadence. He’s not wrong
- “The Omnibus Party” – Hugh Willborn has an intriguing idea for a new party
- “Evidence shows that transmission by schoolchildren is low” – New myth-busting analysis by Nic Lewis. Excellent as always
- “A way to control COVID-19 (for now)” – Dr Malcolm Kendrick proposes protecting the vulnerable by letting the virus spread widely through the low risk population. Good idea – though I suspect Sunetra Gupta would say he overestimates how far we have to go to herd immunity
- “Britons ignore warnings to enjoy last ‘blowout’ before new rule of six comes into force” – Gives you hope
- “‘We’re going to have to learn to live with virus,’ says EU health boss” – Not, though, by going back to normal (fat chance), but by making social distancing permanent. Give me strength
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
One today: “You Failed” by We Are Scientists.
When sending in a theme tune don’t forget to include a link to the video so we don’t have to go searching for it. Thanks!
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Stop Press: Nice piece in the Telegraph by Anna Moore about the difficulties of dating in the current climate. Love in a Covid Climate gets a mention.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all and some will have had to close again thanks to the Rule of Six. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 14th to Oct 23rd). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 32,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
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Bureaucrats ‘deny the evidence, Hydroxychloroquine reduces COVID death by 73 per cent’: Craig Kelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PVD76yu0Vc
Sky News Australia
Liberal MP Craig Kelly says studies have shown a 73 per cent reduction rate in mortality where Hydroxychloroquine was dispensed to COVID infected patients, yet Australian health bureaucrats continue to deny the evidence. Mr Kelly said on Thursday an Italian peer-reviewed study showed a 73 per cent reduction of mortality where Hydroxychloroquine was administered. A further study from Saudi Arabia produced the same figure – Hydroxychloroquine caused a 73 per cent reduction in death from COVID. He told Sky News host Alan Jones early in the coronavirus pandemic period, doctors were free to prescribe Hydroxychloroquine to patients for off label use. “It’s a drug that is lawful for doctors to use,” Mr Kelly said. “We’ve got health bureaucrats in this country who think they know better than thousands upon thousands of doctors all around the world, and have banned this.” He said despite studies showing incredible results from this previously legal drug, the Queensland chief health officer “has not only (made) it illegal, but put a six months criminal penalty if a doctor prescribes it or if a chemist would dispense it… Read more »
I wonder why they continue to deny its effectiveness? Over to you Mr Fauci and Mr Gates.
Tuesday’s page has arrived:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/09/15/latest-news-135/#comments
I tried to put a comment on Metro UK against the lockdown and I was told that they wouldn’t accept it because and I quote “It is not inline with our community guidelines”
Got to go now, there’s 2 men in trench coats banging on my door.
Only joking, well I am for the present.
I wonder how when the collaborators tell us that the government are doing the right thing, etc, they can explain to me exactly how destroying the economy, jobs,businesses and the future of our children of all ages is somehow a good and right thing to do.
It’s very funny how all the ones supporting all the Government and adhering to all the laws and guidelines, seem to be your FBPE’ers and Blairites who are the ones most opposed to this Government.
When tv reporters interview the “man and woman in the street” I wonder why said man/woman always but always agree that “the government are doing the right thing, that they are protecting the old, vulnerable etc.
Surely it would be just and fair to interview the odd dissident person.
Anyone would think that this was “fixed and/or fabricated” wouldn’t they?
I was interviewed once on radio, on behalf of a small local museum. Nothing controversial. But I had to rehearse the whole thing, questions and answers, before going “live”. It’s easy enough for tv reporters to do that too. Carefully chosen buzz-phrases and “approved” sentences.
They will be interviewing them but they will never put them on air. If they don’t match the narrative they will never see any airtime.
I’ve been noticing this. E.g. as I mentioned in an earlier post Radio Four’s news reported on the police ‘correcting’ mothers for holding a toddlers picnic in a Bristol park as numbers topped six. Two mothers were interviewed both sounded very contrite – as opposed to being bloody outraged! (I hope I’m recounting the report correctly – it is how I recall it anyway)
I hope too Bristol mothers today are organising a jamboree in the park today on this sunny day (well, it is here up North)
It’s fixed. When the Portuguese national football team recently went to play with Sweden, RTP (a Portuguese TV station) managed to interview the only two people in Stockholm who believed that they had murdered their old and vulnerable. They also thought that masks should be compulsory everywhere at all times. I’m not sure if they bribed them or just kept looking for people until they got the ‘right’ answers.
A fellow sceptic sent me this video about the current situation in NZ. It looks like the “outbreak” in NZ has been manufactured in order to bring about lockdowns and mask-wearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcONxyAJ8S4&feature=youtu.be
Firstly, don’t tell anyone you’ve been told to self-isolate. Consider getting one of these doorbells that alert your phone and you can speak to whoever is at the door without actually being at home. https://en-uk.ring.com/?gclsrc=aw.ds&?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIieHYuN_q6wIVjN_tCh3KvgTyEAAYASAAEgIq7_D_BwE
If you’re out and you have a back entrance use that rather than the front during your isolation. Look very closely at who is around when you approach your house from the front. If you have any doubt, don’t enter.
They key thing is not to tell anyone that you’re going overseas, say it’s a week in Cornwall/Wales, and not to tell anyone, if it happens, that you have been told to isolate.
“Results of 43 EQAs were examined, giving a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%). ”
“Unless we understand the operational false positive rate of the UK’s RT-PCR testing system we risk overestimating the COVID-19 incidence, the demand on track and trace, and the extent of asymptomatic infection. ”
from
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf
As businesses are exempt from the “rule of six”, as a loophole couldn’t I just form a Limited company (which can be done for less than £10) and use my home address as the registered office address?
Then, I would be able to have over more than six people at my house, and if I was to get reported and the Police were to attend, they wouldn’t be able to do anything as I am having a business meeting. If queried on this I have got the certificate of formation, and they could also confirm this on the Companies House website.
Apparently there has been unprecedented demand at companies house
If you have pre-school aged children you just need to say that you’re child minding, but having to keep to the child/adult ratio
If they are there to do work, they don’t count towards the six limit. So, your guests just need to look like workmen; maybe a Village People themed party?
The Omnibus Party is genius (in the links).
“Omnibus means “By, with, or for, everyone”. The political meaning is not immediately obvious and hence not easily dismissed, yet both liberties and rights are strongly present within the meaning and associations of the word ‘Omnibus’. “
Yep I’m a big fan of this. Doesn’t matter where we fit within the political spectrum, or what we think about Brexit, and so on. Very powerful stuff. Let’s get this ‘bus on the road!
quote from Bill Gates report
“Current data suggests that children are less likely to have severe disease from coronavirus infection than older adults. However, as coverage for routine immunizations decreases and case management for pneumonia and diarrhea have been interrupted due to the pandemic, children are increasingly vulnerable. Models predict that acute malnutrition will increase dramatically, which will make it harder for children to fight off infectious diseases.”
and that infant mortality could increase by 10 per 1000 live births due to the response to the pandemic (difference between worse and reference scenarios). Given that there are 140 million births per year, this corresponds to 1.4 million extra under 5 year old deaths per year. Puts the 800,000 worldwide deaths of care home residents into perspective. God alone knows what the lost QALYs will be.
Models predict. Is my take home from that.
Ivor Cummins 8th Sept video
Nearly at 700k views.
For anyone who hasn’t seen it or shared it onwards
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
I’ve just been reading the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation covid-19 report.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/goalkeepers/report/2020-report/?utm_medium=ads&utm_source=google-search&utm_content=464480756764&utm_term=gates%20foundation&utm_campaign=RPT_INT_Goalkeepers&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1YHcntnq6wIVyYBQBh3Z8wAGEAAYASAAEgKdrPD_BwE#GlobalPerspective
They get a lot right – the horrors of the economic collapse, stalled vaccination programs, development put back 25 years in 25 weeks etc.
Unfortunately they say the government responses were ‘necessary’ and the way of getting out of this is through vaccination. So haven’t really learned from Sweden
Given the source, are you really suprised at that?
not surprised at all. But I’m glad the ‘non-covid’ effects of the lockdowns are getting more of an airing because it swamps the covid nonsense.
Or Pakistan
I think I may have found the source of the blanket DNACPRs in care homes.
As part of my mandatory training I have to undertake a Basic Life Support online course. I also looked at the next level course, which is actually in-hospital Advanced life support. It has been updated and includes covid-19 related actions. One of the actions is referral to critical care, if the clinical fraility score is 5 or more then CPR is unlikely to be beneficial and a DNACPR may be appropriate. Thus, if a patient is discharged from hospital with a CFS of more than 5 then they could leave hospital with a DNACPR in place. https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng159/resources/clinical-frailty-scale-pdf-8712262765
I would really love some data about the the mythical “long covid” aside from individual doctors saying they have X number of patients still complaining of Y symptoms Z months on. Entirely anecdotal. Never has any illness ever had longer lasting consequences?? But anyway, if they had the data to tell me a percentage of all those infected who go on to get persistent long term symptoms which impact daily life, and the age ranges this affects, then it would help their argument. But I very strongly suspect that the data would prove that so few people actually get these phantom long term symptoms that it would be yet more evidence to ignore it entirely.
I bet it is not that many people but it has been used in the media to add a bit of drama. There are recognised long term conditions (for example https://www.medicinenet.com/myocarditis/article.htm) but these are common to many infections.
Think Handsy Hancock mentioned last week there were 40k (might have been 60k) sufferers of ‘long covid’. From the Diane Abbott school of arithmetic!
Double it. Add a bit,. Times it by 10.
I’ve even read people saying asymptomatics get lung damage that lies dormant without them knowing.
There must be an alternative ‘lockdown zealots’ site where such mythical studies are posted.
Just trying to update myself: so, this disease that you can’t tell you’ve got, without a test that doesn’t work, because you have no symptoms, and for which the treatment is “Go home”, gives you another condition that you can’t tell you’ve got? And then it lasts a ‘long’ time. Bloody hell, it is dangerous!
I thought I’d lost you there but you redeemed yourself. Yes it’s dangerous. Stay safe. Hope to see you Thursday for our NHS clap, socially distanced of course.
Yes..it’s called very single MSM website..BBC,DM,Guardian..
as well as its user generated arm social media.
By same logic as Long Covid the vaccine induced Myetis and possible MS could be considered Long Vaccine.
and Long Lockdown Syndrome
Some people take longer to fully recover from sever viral infections. Most of it is to do with nutrient deficiencies and the Krebs cycle struggle to produce ATP (energy)
Toby’s maths isn’t strong: “Sweden’s death toll stands at 578 deaths per million, around 0.06% of its population”. Actually it’s 0.0006%. The same as us, the US, etc.
Simon Dolan was just on LBC talking to Nick Ferrari, good interview. Hopefully possible to playback somewhere. Followed an interview with Pritti Patel, which he just highlighted the absurdity of the rule of six. She couldn’t provide any kind of halfway decent response.
She is 0n about recruiting 100,000 more police though. I wonder what they will be doing (Covid patrol).
Always they throw these huge flat figure numbers out through media as nothing other than a distraction. Which, without exception, is never challenge. Where is the minimum of £3000000000 going to come from to pay for yet more plod ?
Ps. Using my Diane Abbott maths there, but you get the irony.
I imagine most of it will be printed and that goes for most countries. There is no-one to borrow all the money off
Will they wear brown shirts? Just so we know who the Marshals are..
Melbourne have cracke a way of protesting. Thousands are leaving boots outside in protest. Give dan the boot is the message.
I’m sure he is quaking in his boots.
The neighbours get to see the boots you are walking in. Wouldn’t that be good to see.
My neighbours cant see beyond the end of their own nose so I doubt they will see the boots I am walking in. They are good at clapping on command I will give them that.
I have to admit whatever your response is meant to mean/imply has gone over my head.
Bung boots outside on gate. Every one sees. Streets, villages all over. All of a sudden the skeptics are visible to one another.
Ah I see now. A little slow this morning. Interesting idea.
We are told that 200,000 tests are being carried out daily at the moment, who are these people, when everyone who might conceivably benefit such as care home workers are apparently struggling to get one?
With 2% positive, why aren’t MPs even questioning the monumental waste of resources? You don’t need to be in any way a sceptic for that. Just interested in keeping the public finances afloat
Testing companies are going to end up owning the country
You mean the bit that’s leftover from the health care industry? Oh and the security industry!
Schools seem to be a huge issue, with mass testing of contacts when a child gets a sniffle. I would personally suggest no testing of under 16s in the community.
Local schools only have 10 kits each
I mentioned the conversation I had with a friend on a different forum where we disagreed about mask wearing. I will report in more detail when the new page comes up but he has just stated ‘Those who cannot wear masks because they are exempt should not be allowed into shops’. You cannot win with these people.
Note that there is a wonderful cover all clause in the legislation:
This includes (but is not limited to):
Add your own reason for exemption!
The logic of not allowing people in to shops is that they should starve to death. What his way of getting round that?
I have been trying to figure out why there has been a sudden switch in focus and sudden urgency in giving the flu shot for the first time to all children here in Ireland and the UK, and all I can think is it is a criminal attempt to engineer a “second wave”.
The shot, once given, will shed the flu virus which will spread throughout our susceptible populations. We know that flu each year kills more people than covid so we can fully expect the death count amongst the elderly will ramp up once again as a direct result and produce the sought after “second wave”. We are also well aware that all these deaths will be classified as covid deaths in order to justify the ongoing draconian lock down measures. A win-win for the NWO!
I don’t think there is much we can do to slow the vaccine momentum given the large number of lock down fanatics out there, but you can and should refuse to allow your children to be vaccinated for flu.
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I’ve never had the flu jab. Is it a “live” virus or a dead one in the jab?
This from the HSE Ireland web site…
“the Fluenz Tetra nasal spray suspension Influenza vaccine (live attenuated, nasal) manufactured by AstraZeneca AB for children aged 2 to 12 years
Punch drunk. Tetraflu or similar name advisory note was posted here recently. The note suggested the flu might be shed for two weeks post jab and there for keeping away from vulnerable people advised. A trade off decision was to be made giving the flushot to vulnerable between possibly causing the flu by vaccine and the chances of them encountering wild flu. Both risks to be weighed up.
Correct. Vaccinated children sheds the vaccine. In addition the flu vaccine is contraindicated to Covid infection – links below
The words “herd immunity” have crept in to the language. But didn’t we previously call it Resistance? We are resistant to flu but we fight it and we recover. We are not immune. Isn’t that the same thing here? The evidence is that we are also naturally resistant to Covid. That’s why the rapid rise in deaths in April was never going to keep rising exponentially.
To be a really dangerous threat, the disease would have to kill people with a different age distribution from normal. It did not. The age distribution was exactly as normal: 40% over 85. Now, maybe they were the healthy over 85’s and it was next going to start on the terminally ill. But the exact opposite is the case. It started on the terminally ill and did not go much beyond there. 90% had an additional cause of death on the death certificate.
And of course they keep using the Spanish flu example to keep the fear going, particularly of the “second wave” when what this virus has shown is that it is completely unlike the Spanish flu and acts exactly like the regular viruses we have always lived with. So why keep using the Spanish Flu as an analogue?
Yes, as per this shameful article in Telegraph – comments section turned off (wonder why?):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
The non-medically, and non-scientifically qualified Gated gives us the benefit of his views on the Spanish Flu and the subsequent ‘mutually exacerbating catastrophes’ that we are about to see again unless …..
Sweden insisted that herd immunity wasn’t the goal and you can see that they’ve been proven right. It’s become a low level endemic disease. Herd immunity, like second wave, has been one of the many buzz terms that have been latched onto and overused, as always happens.
Herd immunity is really immunity from large scale injury. We have “herd immunity” from measles and chicken pox but we still get it. So it’s relative.
What isn’t being pointed out is that we already have a limited blast radius from respiratory diseases even when we actively cause more collateral damage (as per the care home policy).
The flu has been the control over this whole charade. The absolute numbers are down due to misattribution (we can see that in the decrease in the usual top ten causes of death). But then for the recent months the rates of flu have followed the usual pattern.
The flu is the control for testing viral spread.
All the measures have done nothing
I’m ex-forces but violence doesn’t come naturally to me. Yesterday a fleeting thought came to me about what I would do if I came across Boris hanging from a lamppost (by his neck obviously).
No thinking necessary. I’d hold his ankles & add my weight.
This whole hoax is going to end very badly. If normal people like me are starting to think like this what are lunatics on the fringes thinking? Especially those who are believers? God help us.
My fear is that this will end in a extreme rightwing, libertarian, survivalist backlash.
Let’s hope so. I’ll fight.
You write that like it’s a bad thing….
Possibly right Philip, but it would play out like the film World War Z, so many zombies, so few normal people…
We aren’t there yet, hang on there we’ll find a way out of this mess…
I truly hope so.
Bear in mind a “backlash” from “extremists” doesn’t mean those people taking over, it means significant pressure to pull the mainstream in that direction.
Libertarian pressure means reduction in government powers over individuals and the restoration and protection of civil rights. Extremism in that direction is absolutely what we need right now.
“Survivalists” is pretty much just an American thing and used here as some kind of smear, but in fact we absolutely could do with a lot of pressure to restore individual self-reliance and fortitude.
“Rightwing” depends on where you yourself stand (or think you stand) on the core political spectrum, but my view is that we have objectively shifted so far to the the left over the past century or so that pushing back somewhat in the other direction can only be a good thing. Those who doubt this are ignoring the decades of indoctrination by an elite class of the kind of people who run the BBC (known to be dominated by Labour and SDP supporters who hate anything “right wing”), and the stark reality that we are currently living under the rule of the least left wing of our mainstream parties, and yet have a government… Read more »
Absolutely on the money Mark. Totally agree. Just want to add that we must be an open church, many people on the left side of the political system are also seeing this government made disaster for what it is & I for one want every right minded person on side for this fight. (We’ll save the political chats for after we’ve won, or in the trenches during lulls in the fighting…). Cheers, Arnie.
Feeling down with it all the other day, I was suddenly cheered by the thought of someone assassinating Johnson, Hancock et al. I definitely felt better.
Remember those days when happiness wasn’t a crime Sam? Ahh those were the days!..
Cameron, May, and now this cretin.
We cannot go on running a country like that
Except it’s the same or more in France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Ireland
I am alarmed to see that there is a government consultation paper to change the law around bringing unlicensed vaccines to mass market to help ease the Covid vaccine through. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#proposed-expansion-to-the-workforce-eligible-to-administer-vaccinations
Indeed.
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Come on, you dissidents, dissenters, sceptics; that’s enough vertual mingling!!
Take notice of your Auntie Patel.
No, it’s “minglin”, she goes in for the silent’g’, it’s like listening to Simon Templar or Lord Peter Whimsey.
Yes, but sadly unlike the characters you mentioned, she’s not fictional, more’s the pity.
But then again “You couldn’t make her up”
Minglinz mingin’.
BBC R2 Monday afternoon.
Broadcasted the following with a working class blokey voice
“Yeah people who break lockdown laws are just like terrorists just like walking the streets with a machine gun they should be treated like terrorists”.
This was not the random nutter on the Jeremy Vine phone-in but came during the BBC Radio 2 NEWS. The statement was not attributed and not put into any type of context.
Nudge at work. We have seen it strongly over the past few days with this latest clamp down.
News content following the script as always.
That was Kit Malthouse, the dishonourable member for North Hampshire (my parent’s MP) and Minister of State in the Home Office and Ministry of Justice on the Today show wasn’t it?
Only FIVE varieties though!
Well 2 weeks back at school and my daughter has a stinking cold (yes it is just a cold). Just goes to show how effective all that mask wearing, 2m distancing, one-way systems, deep-cleaning, hand sanitising, bubbling, etc. has been at stopping viruses. The “science” being applied in the real world right now is one step away from using the entrails of a frog to predict your future.
Hope you have booked a test? <runs for the door quickly>. 🙂
If I was to be sent a test I would shove it up my a*** and sent it back with the missive “Analyse that!”.
It would come back positive…as these tests are as about as reliable as knitted condoms are to birth control..
First day back in Sixth Form my daughter’s came down with a stinking cold. Viruses will spread full-stop. We should have let it spread from May to now rather than this irrational behaviour.
You are so right.
The 10x per day hand sanitizer is a major contributor to reducing their immune systems.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So, the world beating, wonderful testing system is in a bit of a mess right now! The NHS, schools, care homes are waiting ages for results, thus affecting their activities. People asked to go 100s of miles for a test that may take days to come back. A test that is so sensitive (lots of cycles) that it will pick up any remnant dregs of RNA such that even a papaya fruit can test positive. Then we have the Fat Controller’s idea of a “moon shot” whereby 10 million people will be tested every day. Plus the world beating contact tracing app coming on 24th. It’s a joke! Well Gov. are a joke full stop. They could, and may have to, make the test less sensitive (less cycles) so as to only pick up high (and more infectious) viral loads. Something they should have done long ago. Ah well, the good news is that the “casedemic” will now decline if they cannot manage more testing. The downside is that people with sniffles (who for some reason seek a test) will cause whole swathes of workplaces, schools and Universities to cease functioning whilst results come… Read more »