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The Grand Reopening

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The BBC is reporting that queues formed outside shops across the country and the research firm Springboard says that footfall, up until Noon today, was 42% higher than last week. However, worth remembering that the baseline is very low – non-essential shops weren’t open this time last week. Overall, numbers were far below the same time last year. This, in spite of John Lewis and Zara cutting prices by up to 70% and the fact that Oxfam says charity shops area a great source of great bargains at the moment due to household clear-outs during lockdown.

I travelled across London by tube today and did not get the impression the city was awakening from its long slumber. Boarding a train at East Acton at around 3.40pm, I entered a carriage that was virtually empty. That remained true when I changed from the Central Line to the Northern Line at Bank and, when I got out at Moorgate, the streets were largely deserted. As you’d expect, nearly everyone on the train was wearing a mask, although not everyone on the street. On my return, I got out at Wood Lane and was able to look over into the Westfield shopping centre. That, too, seemed pretty lifeless. I was disappointed to see two masked police officers checking people entering the station to ensure they were wearing face masks. According to the Times, 3,000 police officers have been deployed across England to enforce mandatory mask wearing on public transport.

The atmosphere in shops is far from welcoming, so perhaps the inactivity isn’t all that surprising. Carl Vernon has provided a scathing YouTube commentary on Primark’s new shopping arrangements, with floor decals, mandatory hand sanitiser, decontaminated bags, neon signs everywhere telling you to keep your distance, no fitting rooms…. it’s horrific.

If this is the way Primark intends to carry on, I can’t see it surviving until Christmas.

Simon Dolan’s Advice For People Who Don’t Want to Wear Masks

Simon Dolan has some advice for people who don’t fancy wearing a mask on public transport:

If you don’t feel comfortable wearing a mask on public transport, simply don’t wear it and if challenged say that under Part 1 Section 4 (a) of The Health Protection (CV, Wearing of Face Coverings on Public Transport) you are exempt as they cause you severe anxiety.

A Doctor’s View of Mandatory Face Masks

I got an email from a doctor today about face masks. Sounds like he’s no more of a fan than Simon Dolan.

I work at an acute NHS trust in a non-clinical role and from today it is mandatory for all staff to wear Type 2 surgical masks at all times. This includes staff who spend 99% of their day sitting at a desk staring at a computer screen. We have been coming into work every day, including during the peak of the pandemic, and in non-patient facing areas there has been no forced two-metre social distancing let alone mask wearing! People have been using their own judgement i.e. washing hands, staying slightly distanced and not breathing directly in people’s faces. There has not been a significant outbreak within our workforce throughout the pandemic, yet now the virus has practically disappeared (there have only been 3 positive patients in the hospitals since 1st June) we are being forced to wear masks!

We’ve been told this is here to stay for some time (if we’re made to wear them during summer when the virus is practically non-existent, then surely we’re going to have to wear them throughout winter when seasonal flu arrives…) and to think about how we can work differently to make wearing masks more bearable!

A lot of goodwill has been built up within the workforce over the past few months but this is likely to cause widespread frustration from staff who cannot understand why now is the time to wear masks! Personally, I will be maximising the time I can work remotely to avoid this draconian rule which is actually at detriment to getting the hospital back up and running functionally.

In case you missed it, worth reading the case against face masks by David Crowe on Lockdown Sceptics, and a review of the (fairly weak) evidence that they protect anyone from catching the virus by Dr John Lee in the Spectator.

Letter in the Sunday Times About Harmful Effects of School Closures

On Friday I mentioned that Dr Ellen Townsend, Professor of Psychology at Nottingham University, had pulled together a “we, the undersigned” letter about the effects of the continuing school closures on young people’s mental health. An abridged version was published in yesterday’s Sunday Times. Here’s the full version:

Open letter to Gavin Williamson Secretary of State for Education concerning the neglect of children and adolescents in government policy during the UK lockdown.

Dear Mr Williamson,

The recent decision of the Government to delay returning children and adolescents to school is a national disaster. As experts working across disciplines we are united as we urge you to reconsider your decision and to release children and young people from lockdown. Allow them to play together and continue their education by returning to preschool, school, college and university, and enjoy extra-curricular activities including sport and music as normally, and as soon, as possible. Undoubtedly, you already know the arguments that support this direction in decision making but we articulate some of them here nonetheless.

The relative shortage of expert and scientific input on SAGE specifically covering young people’s mental health and education is an important and dangerous omission. The lockdown exacerbates key risk factors known to increase the risk of self-harmful thoughts and feelings including defeat, entrapment, loneliness/social isolation, hopelessness and anger. Mental health problems also contribute to self-destructive thoughts and behaviours and sadly, a national survey in 2017 indicated that these were increasing, particularly among teenagers. Since lockdown, we are seeing increases of these issues in young people through surveys at the University of Oxford, the Mental Health Foundation, and rapid reviews (e.g. from the University of Reading) indicate these trends are likely to persist. Suicide is already the leading cause of death in 5-19 year olds in England and the second leading cause of death in young people globally; thankfully, COVID-19 will never claim this many young lives.

A risk-benefit approach must be taken when making decisions about children’s social interaction and play in schools, and public health protection. Children learn through play, which is vital for their wellbeing, and their social and emotional development. The lockdown has created an environment where they cannot play together with their friends. It is crucial that social distancing measures are minimised, or removed as far as possible, to enable in-person play.

The impact of the lockdown on learning is incredibly harmful, creating a huge attainment gap, and the most vulnerable and marginalised in society (including those from a BAME background, with special educational needs or disabilities, and children in the lowest income homes), are likely to be most affected by this. Children remaining out of school will create a generation with increased educational poverty. Other countries in Europe (e.g. Denmark, Norway and Greece) have returned children to school with no evidence of a ‘second wave’ of COVID-19. We advise the Government to prepare teachers and to discuss their anxieties in order to enable children to come together.

The evidence to date is that children are at low risk from COVID-19 and may not play a significant role in transmission. As Alistair Haimes (writing in the Critic) recently put it: “With no serious pre-existing conditions, the young-ish and healthy are far more likely to be hit by lightning than to die of COVID-19.”

We recognize that the pandemic and lockdown have been a national tragedy for everyone. However, children and adolescents have sacrificed so much in this crisis for a disease that they neither suffer from nor spread. We must now prioritise children and adolescents in the release from lockdown as a matter of utmost urgency in order to prevent a national crisis and the decimation of their futures. Specifically, the Government must change social distancing advice in such a way that summer play schemes and education providers of all types are able to open, and that does not infringe human rights, which the current rules appear to do. The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (article 3) states: “In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.”

Young people must be included meaningfully in decision making moving forward on policies involving them. They have been neglected in this crisis and their rights and futures must now be given priority. We need to recognize the sacrifice that children have already made for others and we should not ask for that sacrifice to continue. When many of this cohort enter adulthood, we will be deep in recession, so they will need mental resilience and educational preparedness. Instead we are damaging both, with lifelong consequences for them and society.

We are not the only group concerned for the rights and welfare of children in this global crisis. The number of open letters to governments on this issue is growing.

It then links to three other open campaigns to get schools to reopen (here, here and here) and includes the names of more than 100 academics who’ve signed the letter. You can see a list of them here and if you’re an education academic who wants to add your name, you can do that by emailing Ellen. The BBC also ran a news story about the letter.

Well done Ellen.

The letter is particularly timely, given that University College London has just published research showing that two million schoolchildren have done virtually zero schoolwork during lockdown. Around one in five pupils have carried out no schoolwork, or less than an hour a day, since schools closed in March. Meanwhile, only 17% of children put in more than four hours a day. And, in general, the more disadvantaged a child’s background, the less schoolwork they’ve done. Only 11% of children in receipt of free school meals spent more than four hours a day on schoolwork, compared to nearly a fifth (19%) of their peers. Other figures revealed that nearly a third (31%) of private schools provided four or more online lessons daily, compared with just 6% of state schools.

Hard to believe Labour’s Shadow Education Secretary “welcomed” the news that schools wouldn’t reopen last week.

Listen to Me Talking to Joel Kotkin

In the latest Quillette podcast, I talk to the American public intellectual Joel Kotkin about the pandemic and its riotous aftermath in the US. Joel recently wrote a piece for Quillette on this subject called “Pandemics and Pandemonium” which is well worth reading.

Surviving a Hospital Stay

The Kingdom Hospital in the TV mini-series of the same name developed by Stephen King

As regular readers will know, my view is that SARS-CoV-2 is a predominantly nosocomial disease – that is, the majority of infections have occurred in hospitals and care homes. Which makes visiting hospital a risk, particularly if you’re immunocompromised or have any life-threatening co-morbidities.

Today I’m publishing a piece by Nicholas Booth, a health journalist who found himself in exactly that position. He has bowel cancer and Pyoderma Gangrenosum and, for that reason, had been advised not to leave his house for 12 weeks under any circumstances. But circumstances changed and he ended up in Croydon University Hospital, known locally as “Maydie Hospital” because it has been treating so many patients with COVID-19.

On April 3rd the Government had texted me an instruction not to leave the house for twelve weeks, even to go into the garden. As someone who is at high risk of severe illness if I were to catch the virus, I was told it was too dangerous even to leave the window open for more than three hours a day. I was judged to be so vulnerable that I had to practice social distancing in my own home.

But then I managed to injure myself so badly that a hospital admission was unavoidable. First I had pumped my veins with blood thinner, so any injury would bleed excessively. Then I tore my thigh muscle by doing too many squats.

A PICC Line in my arm, a necessary aid for chemotherapy, had to be supported with daily injections of the blood thinner Fragmin in order to stop the blood from clotting around the plastic tubing within my veins. While preventing deep vein thrombosis (DVT) it also encourages internal bleeding. The opiates made me oblivious to the torn-muscle pain, so I only noticed something was wrong when it created a severe swelling in my left leg. The upshot was that, despite my known vulnerability to infection and the high incidence of death among new patients, I had to be admitted to hospital.

Why did I survive? There are a number of possible reasons.

Nick believes that if he can survive this ordeal, people with no underlying health conditions really don’t need to worry about returning to work.

Worth reading in full.

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tune Suggestions From Readers

Just the one suggestion today: “Killing in the Name” by Rage Against the Machine.

Small Businesses That Have Reopened

A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have reopened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Is wokeness a cult? That’s the view of New Discourses, a group set up by James Lindsay and others to explore the dynamics of what one American journalist has described as “the successor ideology”. Also known as Woke-us Dei.

I find this analysis persuasive.

One of the best things about the New Discourses website is the “Social Justice Encyclopaedia” which translates woke gobbledegook into plain English. First it gives the meaning of the word or phrase as understood by adherents to the Social Justice cult, then it explains what it means in practice. For instance, here is the New Discourses explanation of “Cancel/Cancel Culture”:

“Cancellation” or “Cancel Culture” is largely understood as an aspect and, indeed, an escalation of “Call-Out Culture”, in which a public figure is found to have said or done something problematic and is then called out for it, most commonly on social media. This leads to mass outrage and demands for a boycott of the individual’s work, their firing from their job or work opportunities, or the retraction of invitations to events (or an outright cancellation of their event). One would be immediately forgiven for identifying it with what it is: a modern, social-media-driven instantiation of Maoist-style struggle sessions in which problematic individuals are subjected to mass public shame, forced to apologize, and then shamed further.

In case you aren’t aware of this, that’s exactly what happened to me at the beginning of 2018. I wrote about it in a piece called “The Public Humiliation Diet” in Quillette.

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Bella
Bella
6 years ago

I read somewhere that nightclubs can open in Spain but you’re not allowed to dance. If true then it looks like The Taliban have finally made inroads in Europe.

Melangell
Melangell
6 years ago

I was walking on the coast past my favourite (closed) beach cafe yesterday, when I remembered how hard the owner works – well, overworks, really – all spring and summer long to earn as much as she can from April to October. Since this is Wales where lockdown goes on interminably, despite my county of Ceredigion having only a handful of deaths since March, she and hundreds of similar businesses that rely on “the season” for their annual income will never be able to recoup their losses their year. I felt a terrible chill go through me as I realised that all these hardworking people will be facing a winter with zero income.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago

I have just found this: ‘Social Distancing – the evidence‘. Zoe Harcombe (not a virologist but a PhD in Public Health Nutritition) does a good line in picking the bones out of trials, models and epidemiological studies She’s mostly about low carb die/ eat real food advice but I she is good at de-bunking Big Food and Big Pharma. Here are some of highlights from the executive summary:
 
* The Lancet published a paper on June 1st which examined physical distancing for coronaviruses (along with masks and eye protection). The paper claimed that there was approximately a 1.3% chance of contracting a virus when 2 metres from an infected person, but halving this gap raised the risk to only 2.6%.
 
* It is important to note that no randomised controlled trials on spatial separation of at least one meter have ever been undertaken. [ ]
 
* The Lancet paper contained nine studies relevant to social distancing among the general public (once studies with high-protection surgical masks and/or in healthcare settings had been removed). [ ]. None of them examined social distancing, as we are being told to do today.
 
* In every one of these studies,… Read more »

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago

Her article on mask-wearing is less helpful to us muzzle-refuseniks. . . . Well, you can’t win ’em all. (Also, she’s talking about when CV19 contagion was a real risk, not now.)

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago

Here’s the link to the social-distancing article. The above link is duff – sorry:
 
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/06/social-distancing-the-evidence/

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

MiriamW, the link did not work. Try this one, fingers crossed. https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/06/social-distancing-the-evidence/
 
Zoe Harcombe is excellent at reviewing papers and science.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Sorry, did not see you republished the link

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago

Well thats surprising, a cheap low profit drug has been found to help treat covid19 – that should shut up some of the critics….
 
Until the new super expensive drug is proven, when used in conjunction with the cheap drug, to save even more lives…
 
If this happens then saving lives is great…. But I have no trust anymore….
 
Why am I such a sceptic? Is this treatable?

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago

wow, jusy after i posted sky news starts discussing the possibility of combination of drugs, research continues…..

matt
matt
6 years ago

They talked about it specifically in the press briefing. Please don’t think that Sky are using their own initiative

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

i didnt realise anybody watched them

matt
matt
6 years ago

I can’t help it. I’ve tried.

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago

Boris is still insistent that he’s saved thousands of lives! Somebody please throw a bucket of cold water over him so he comes to his senses!! Oh please, please stop this charade I can’t take it anymore!

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

I think only a very long prison sentence and loss of any assets gained through this madness can bring him to his senses and even then I would not be optimistic.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Prison is too good for him. I think he should be taken to Parliament Square and shot!

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

I’m becoming ever more convinced that he was brainwashed while in hospital….or maybe Bill Gates paid him a visit while he was there..

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

He will continue saying that. Politicians do that as many people will believe him. Smoke and mirrors

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago

Sky News with another ridiculous story “Flushing the loo can create a cloud of virus particles which the next user might inhale, warns study“.
 
I’m waiting for Boris Johnson to put the “I’d give it 5 minutes” law in to place to stop this happening.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

This disgusting mob will have us crapping outside next.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

“Flushing the loo can create a cloud of virus particles which the next user might inhale, warns study“.

Er… yes. That’s why you don’t keep your toothbrush next to the loo.

In other news:

“germs are everywhere” warn scientists

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Gosh germs are all around us. Who knew?

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I know! Imagine the stupidity of not wearing a mask now you know that!

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

This ridiculous story is old news. The fact they are recirculating this rubbish means they are desperate to maintain the lies.

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

The familiar ‘fecal plume’, close the lid!

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

If you can smell it your already wading through it. Keep it quite though we don’t need to trigger the great poo panic right now.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

This is why I shit in a shoebox

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

I can hear the sound of Sky scrapping the bottom of the barrel

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

Boris has been totally captured by the vaccine lobby. It is now fully funded and integrated into our Foreign & Commonwealth Office after today’s departmental merger.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

That is shocking

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

No surprise as he wrote this about too many people and the need for population control in 2007:
 
https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/25/global-population-control/

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago

Knew about the merger – where does the vaccine lobby fit into that please?

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

Scotland’s unemployment rate highest in UK 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53061072

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Coronavirus: Sturgeon warns against ‘reckless’ easing of lockdown 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52967726
 
“Nicola Sturgeon has warned against any “reckless” move to ease lockdown in Scotland despite a growing “economic crisis” and rising unemployment.”

DJ Dod
DJ Dod
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

The SNP seem determined to destroy the private sector in Scotland. Perhaps their intention is to create a client state where everyone is dependent on Government handouts and will vote accordingly.
 
I’m embarrassed when the FM or one of her Ministers appear on TV in case someone from the rest of the U.K. is watching.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Well, it’s not like the rest of us have anyone better…

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Who actually gives a flying fck what she thinks

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

California Gym Reopens After Building Workout Pods For Members 
https://bit.ly/2MZneFw
 
Oh my. There’s also a picture of a woman in a full plastic bodysuit going to Primark. No shame.

Lou
Lou
6 years ago

Thought it would be interesting to share today’s experience of going to the dentist…wasn’t great in any aspect. Arrived for appointment was instructed to sanitise my hands and had to put mask on (cost me an extra £7 for PPE – just one of many extra charges that is to come) was instructed to sit in a specific chair where my temperature was then took. Silly screens all on the reception. I wouldn’t have bothered to be honest but I’m currently in the middle of some cosmetic dentistry and cannot stop at this point! Honestly felt humiliating and degrading.

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  Lou

Why should you wear a mask it’s your mouth he’s looking in!

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Lou

£7 for PPE???? How much profit are they making on that I wonder?

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago

But surely the question on everybody’s lips (if we could see them through the masks) is… did Toby wear a muzzle on his sojourn across London, or did he travel wild and free?

matt
matt
6 years ago

Johnson sounding very upbeat – even almost dynamic. Haven’t heard that in a long time.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Spoke too soon.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Yes, only taken 6 minutes to get back to the ‘we might ease the lockdown…. well eventually, perhaps next year, or even the year after’!

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago

I think we’re getting close to mass civil disobedience against the lockdown.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

It’d be nice to think so but protest energies seem to be going into pro- and anti- BLM gatherings instead. Whatever side of that fence you’re on you’d think that you’d want to, you know, restore human existence to normality, before resuming arguing the toss, important as those issues are.

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I’m ignoring it.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

..hence the new law banning protests and gatherings of over 6 people…

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Probably given some uppers to help him sound upbeat as he has depressed the hell out of the country and the suicide rate is rising!

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I have been getting the impression that killing us off is the intention after all driving people to suicide is one of Prof Furgesons specialities as some former farmers might tell if they were still with us.

Rachael
Rachael
6 years ago

A great comment I saw on YouTube:
 
This coronavirus is the strangest virus I’ve ever heard of. It’s very dangerous the way it spreads. It is so mysterious the way it lurks in schools, but then dies at B&Q. It is sneaky. It can spread when buying clothes at M&S but not at Tesco. It is non-alcoholic. It can’t spread when you are buying beer. It lives for two days on Amazon boxes, you must wait 48 hours to touch them but It can’t survive on takeaway coffee cups, so enjoying a hot cup of costa is safe. It is the most curious thing, how it lives on footballs, ballet bars, even loo seats but dies on WWE ropes. It is spread by hair stylists, dog groomers, and dentists, but not by bank tellers, cashiers, and fast food workers. It’s so smart. It won’t bother the first 10 people but it knows when the 11th person shows up so be careful if that’s you. It even knows what you want vs what you need. If you want a massage or your nails done it is very actively on the prowl and not even a mask can stop it but… Read more »

Willem Koppenhol
Willem Koppenhol
6 years ago

Is our (Western) corona response institutionally racist?
 
Personally I never bought into identity politics and I strongly dislike a term such as “institutional racism”. But thinking about the lock-downs in our Western societies the other day I all of a sudden realized that for the first time I could make the point in favour of the existence of a form of institutional racism right now in our societies. 
 
I don’t know if anyone else has already made this point, but here it goes: for decades many ordinary citizens of many Third World countries (or whatever term you’d prefer for such countries) have died in their tens of millions because of “normal” diseases. With “normal” I mean diseases that we hear a lot about, but which we usually don’t have any more in our own European/North American societies. 
 
Diseases such as malaria or TB, which when you combine their death rates still kill millions every year. They are the “far from our own beds show” as we say in Dutch, far away so why should we care? And even if we did care for some diseases (HIV/AIDS comes to mind) at one time, we have pretty much forgotten… Read more »

arfurmo
arfurmo
6 years ago

Anyone know a premier league footballer who can tweet “Scrap the 2m rule”? Should be gone within hours.

Hubes
Hubes
6 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Marcus Rashford is doing the briefing today. Boris is playing upfront for Man Utd at the weekend.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Be a big improvement. The briefing and the footie. 🙂

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Hubes

Probably feeling guilty for the number of OAP’s he’s killed with his off target free kicks!

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago
DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago

Looking at the ONS stats for Week 23, in total there is 600 more deaths than in the same week in 2019.
 
The number of people dying at at home is 3,418 of which only 77 deaths to COVID-19, but this number of non-covid19 deaths is 1000-2000 deaths higher than other years. So with very few deaths now outside of socomial institutions it can be seen that for week 23 the lockdown itself is now a bigger killer than COVID-19.

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

The average deaths at home for week 23 between 2015-2019 is 2,204, so with the 77 COVID-19 deaths removed we are looking at 1,137 home deaths more than the average.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Plandemic Diary

16th June- release Press Release saying a cheap, widely available steroid, say, dexamethasone, has been identified as a cure for the Chinese Killer Virus.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Bumble
Bumble
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Italians reported this a few weeks ago. They noticed that no Rheumatoid Arthritis patients had been in ICU. RA patients take steroids to suppress the disease. Interstingly, my neighbour is shielding because he takes steroids for polymyalgia. I did tell him about the Italian observation but he is convinced he will die if he goes anywhere.

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Do you have a link to the report? It’s not such a ground breaking British revelation then is it?

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

BBC making a big thing of this tonight in their summary of the govt briefing
 
Maybe could be a bit of a fig leaf for them?

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

So it improves your chances if you have covid-19 and are on a ventilator.
 
But wasn’t being put on a ventilator deemed to be the wrong treatment for covid-19 patients a couple of months ago?
 
If I remember correctly ventilation increased the death rates, treating the patient as if it was oxygen starvation like mountaineers get was the correct treatment.
 
Being jaded and cynical it seems like they can now say “we have a treatment, stop social distancing etc” as the masses cannot remember yesterday let alone technical medical discourses from months ago.

Willem Koppenhol
Willem Koppenhol
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

That’s what I also thought: but weren’t ventilators bad/wrong? Then intuitively I thought “the combination can’t be helping either”. But who knows, in this new normal anything seems to go… Perhaps the suggestion of Julian (one comment up) could be the explanation: the British government is now so desperate to get out of their incompetent policy any excuse will do.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago

ONS data 12th June
Approx 33,000 people which is 0.06% of the population, have this virus lurgy.
80% are considered asymptomatic and unlikely to pass it on.
That leaves a mere approx. 6,600 “spreaders” in the whole of the U.K.

Now the Telegraph announce a drug that is apparently saving lives, which is good.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/16/5-steroid-slashes-deaths-one-third-severe-coronavirus-patients/

So remind me again, why the HELL are we carrying on with this lockdown and quarantine charade?

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Yet another opportunity for the government to miss, to just drop the whole thing immediately and launch a “back to normal” propaganda barrage comparable with the one they used to scare everyone in the first place (though without the willing establishment media accomplices).
 
They certainly would do that if they properly grasped the scale of the economic damage they have inflicted and if as politicians they priorised business competitiveness, education, and traditional liberties and cultural treasures.
 
All things a conservative party would prioritise, one would think.
 
Ergo, this “Conservative” Party is not conservative. QED.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It hasn’t really been conservative for a very long time

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

If May’s GDP shows a further fall in double digits, it should get things shifting.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  CarrieAH

Maybe we need to lockdown and quarantine the MSM for a month – without the fear virus we might return to normal ‘organically’

Ambwozere
Ambwozere
6 years ago

Can we add the government and all their so called experts into this lockdown/quarantine? Then we can all get on with living.

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Ambwozere

After we have marched them to parliament to repeal the coronavirus act.

Ambwozere
Ambwozere
6 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Ah yes excellent point.

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago

Was at the garage (a big dealership chain) this morning collecting the car from it’s MOT and asked the staff what they thought of the totally useless sneeze guards the company has installed on then desks.
 
All looked sheepish.
 
Got chatting and they all knew the screens were useless but the management think “they will reassure customers that we are taking their safety with the virus seriously”.
 
I said it didn’t and I was getting pissed off being treated like a medieval leper and not a customer and to pass that onto senior management. Every other customer in there agreed with me.
 
I told them I thought it was all bullshit and a contrived scam to destroy the country, quoted facts, figures etc and gave them a direction to start their own researches as not 1 member of staff during their furlough and done any checking or researching themselves but just sat and took in everything the MSM and Government had spouted on the TV and internet hook, line and sinker.
 
When leaving the big boss came across (known him for years) and said that the customer’s comments had got to him really quickly and… Read more »

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Well done, good job

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

i am concerned that my honed T-cells/cellular immunity/dark matter immune system may loose its edge if i am not sneezed on every so often

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Great stuff. The more we spread the Gospel of Lockdown Scepticism hopefully the more we convince people to start thinking for themselves.

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Looks like you may have got the truth R value above 1 for today in your area! Lets hope you’ve also infected a super spreader or two.

Bob
Bob
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Fantastic effort! It feels like Lockdown Skeptics website business cards might be useful. Let’s make this campaign (ironically) viral!

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

How come you were MOT’ing the car as you have a 6 month extension?

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

Don’t have an exemption, it’s due and of this month.

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I thought any MOT due from the 30th March was exempted?

Awkward Git
Awkward Git
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

I thought so as well but I tried to tax the car as received the reminder, tried online and it refused, said I could not get the tax without a new MOT.
 

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

The MOT exemption doesn’t kick on until 7 days before the MOT expires. So, if it expires on the 30th June you should’ve been able to Tax it after the 23rd.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

That’s the way to do it.
I always try to chat with shop people and ask them whether they find the bullshit convincing. Most don’t.
Keep on hsmmering on it, my heroes.
And I’m keeping a supply of the ‘dangers of masks’ warning to give out to the muzzled. A little light rending. ( No typo.)

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

With regard to the screens, as that guy whose videos on shopping were posted earlier here says, who in their right mind ever sneezes or coughs directly in people’s faces anyway??? People generally turn away when they sneeze, or sneeze into their elbow or whatever – it is just polite..

Melangell
Melangell
6 years ago

As an avid lockdown sceptic and believer in the negligible amount of deaths caused by the virus I was taken aback by a friend posting this on Facebook showing that coronavirus deaths have overtaken all other kinds of fatalities worldwide. I’m aware that, at least in this country, many deaths recorded as ‘from Covid’ may likely have been from non-Covid reasons (‘with Covid’) but even so, this number seems to refute the claim that the coronavirus is not much worse than seasonal flu. Can anyone with more knowledge than me comments on this? https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2637725/?fbclid=IwAR0EydWiJ92VT6_8XEN1uycVnhxNa7J3mbtshcyWFQBk61nW3zK71v-XZLA
 

John Smith
John Smith
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Come off Facebook and close your account.

Problem solved.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

I saw a rebuttal to this recently and will try and find but basically they have cherry picked causes of death and left off key ones such as cancer etc.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell
Melangell
Melangell
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Thank you Offlands – very helpful and I have shared it with my friend who posted it on FB.
 

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

There’s a better one somewhere that is either a link posted by Toby or somebody posted in the comments. Wish I’d bookmarked it now as it went into more detail.

4096
4096
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

That’s a response to a different visualisation though.

4096
4096
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Apart from what you already mentioned, one thing I can think of is note that these are only deaths from January until May. Since the global Covid pandemic (despite what some poor terrorised souls in mainstream news outlets want us to believe) is pretty much over Covid deaths will not rise much more while most of the others will. This means the graph will look very different at the end of the year. Also we are not having a particularly bad flu this year.
 
Finally, the crafty people who made this graph conveniently did not include cancer or cardiovascular diseases which would, to put it mildly, dwarf the covid numbers.

4096
4096
6 years ago
Reply to  4096

9.6 million people died of cancer in 2018 – WHO

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  4096

Can someone help me with understanding something?

For a different reason (and one I’m still scratching my head on and so may post about later) I was looking at the flu & pneumonia deaths vs Covid deaths up to week 21 of this year as per the ONS weekly numbers.

What is clear is that, at the end of this month, with very few continuing daily coverage deaths, Covid will have killed a few thousand more people in this country than ‘flu this year (let’s ignore the “of vs with” question and accept that the same method of recording is used for the two sets of numbers, since they’re from the same source).

What’s also clear, is that, while those ‘flu death numbers are distributed on a largely flat and declining line, right from the beginning of the year, the Covid deaths have occurred in a much shorter period of time (March – May).

I’m not a medic (nor even, god forbid, an epidemiologist), but I’m struggling to come up with a logical explanation for this that doesn’t involve any one of: 1) ‘Covid 19 is more deadly than ‘flu; 2) SARS-CoV 2 is more infectious than… Read more »

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

This is my take on it all:
 

It’s worse than flu but appears to be at the level of an unvaccinated flu. Thus if there was an equivalent to the flu vaccine it would likely be on a par with flu. This appears to be the case as it is infection is more in line with the cold than flu. This is true.  
There is one big caveat. We do not know the impact of lockdowns on the above. It is possible that by locking down the risk of infection and death was increased. Transmission is mainly indoors (people confined at home) and within hospitals and carehomes. According to reports as much as 20% of patients in hospitals contracted it there.
 
If we had treated this like a regular flu it is possible that the excess death numbers would be in line with a bout of flu. The only way we can really test this theory is by observing countries that have both widespread infection and didn’t lock down.
 
If their excess deaths are not disimilar to a bout of flu then it would be strong indication that the virus is indeed not much worse than… Read more »

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

This also makes sense n

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

I think that it has been the emptying of the hospitals to accommodate the Covid flood that never came that has done it. Old people who were being kept alive suddenly had their treatments stopped at the same moment, and infected patients were sent out into care homes allowing the virus to reap a rich harvest. You only need a relatively small disruption to create a spike, especially after winter. It may look spectacular, but in terms of QALYs it might not be much.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

For me the point about it being comparable to flu is really that is in the same broad ballpark in terms of its effect on society and therefore there’s no justification for treating it dramatically differently. So of course it might be a bit worse in some ways, but it still is comparable to flu rather than to something with a really high ifr, or that is very disabling for a large proportion of those who catch it.
 
The point is not that this year with covid is the same as any other year, but rather that it is broadly comparable with years when we have had bad seasonal flu or other broadly unnoticed epidemics, and the key figures are the ones displayed on these graphs, which I’m sure you’ve seen before, showing that the death total this year is overall basically the same as 1999-2000 (adjusted for population increase):
 
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
 
This inevitably raises the question of whether we have only held deaths down to these numbers by our panic response. That doesn’t seem credible, though, given all the evidence that the epidemic was coming to an end before lockdown, and that results have been pretty similar… Read more »

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Flu deaths are more spread out probably because there are a few different viruses going around with their effects superimposed on each other. Flu also may not rip through the hospitals and care homes as much because the people who work in those places have at least partial protection from the vaccines.

I think Covid may be more deadly than flu for the elderly and vulnerable but is less deadly for people outside those groups.

In particular I don’t think flu particularly affects those with obesity, diabetes or high blood pressure the way Covid does (possibly because of the way it downregulates ACE2).

Covid mortality l overall may indeed be worse than flu (by about 2x not 10x) but I think the big mistake everyone made was to assume that you could extrapolate from the way it affected the elderly to the way it would affect everyone else.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

This makes sense

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Coronaviruses, such as colds, are most active before and after winter, such as late autumn and early spring. Flu viruses tend to be active throughout the winter and die off in March/April.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Doesn’t help in this particular instance, because I was looking at whole year (YTD) data and the numbers for ‘flu declined from around 2,000 a week to around 1,000 a week by late May. I’m assuming 1st Jan is pretty much peak ‘flu season.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Some of the “flu” deaths are actually other coronaviruses anyway– they just look at excess mortality to measure flu, nobody’s doing PCR tests.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

The common cold has always had worse effects than influenza when it gets into care homes. This has been known for some time.
 
2011
 
The diagnostics of respiratory viral infections has improved markedly during the last 15 years with the development of PCR techniques.Since 1997, several new respiratory viruses and their subgroups have been discovered‘
 
‘The new viruses cause respiratory symptoms like the common cold, cough, bronchitis, bronchiolitis, exacerbations of asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and pneumonia. Acute respiratory failure may occur.’
 
‘The classical predisposing factors to viral infections include advanced age, chronic illnesses and poor immune responses. The elderly often have partial immunity and chronic illnesses; these circumstances modify their responses to viruses and thus respiratory viral infections may manifest themselves as atypical symptoms or as exacerbation of chronic illnesses. Serious outbreaks have been reported in long-term care facilities.’
 
‘Infection by SARS-CoV was almost exclusively symptomatic resembling influenza with initial symptoms of fever, myalgia, malaise and chills or rigor [49]. Cough was common, but dyspnea was prominent only later in the course of the illness. Death was usually due to respiratory failure or a sepsis-related syndrome. Advanced age and co-morbidities increased markedly the… Read more »

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Didn’t someone do a graph moving the Covid curve back a few months in time and placing over the ‘usual’ flu curve, and they looked the same? Point being that Covid occurred later in the year than ‘ordinary’ flu usually appears and so it looked like a worse spike..

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

What you’re missing is: what is the real agenda behind this. I don’t know what exactly it is but I know ‘they’ see the same figures as we do. So all this, lockdowns, facemasks, antisocial distancing, destruction of education, is to keep a virus no more dangerous than the flu at bay? I don’t think so.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  4096

Putting it very mildly, lol.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Preposterous. The total deaths in that graphic shows around 1.7M, whereas actually more than 26M people have died so far this year. Covid-19 represents around 1.5% of total mortality for 2020, and as we know a lot of those people would sadly have died anyway this year.

4096
4096
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Exactly

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Also, the vast majority didn’t die of COVID-19, they died with COVID-19. 90.4% had more than 2 other illnesses listed on their deaths certificates which they died of.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

Yes, you’d really need to look at whether there has been a spike of mortality globally so far this year compared to the average of previous years. There probably has, but I suspect people imagine that covid-19 has been a huge contributor to death globally, or has increased it to unprecented levels, and I doubt this is the case.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

Yes, isn’t it true that the number of UK deaths where Covid 19 is the only cause of death named on the death certificate is about 1350?

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

Those are worldometer numbers: roughly 345,000 deaths so far from covid 19
 
Worldometer for influenza annually? Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses.
 
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si,
 
How confident are we in cause of deaths recorded generally, given that Italy recently revised covid 19 fatalities and came up with 12% of the original figure? Has the worldometer figure been revised accordingly? 
 
Add in that there is no internationally recognized standard for death registration and what does that give you?
 
A complete load of old nonsense.
 
In short, I agree with Mr Smith above.

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

I wonder how that figure compare to global all cause excess mortality for the same period. I don’t know where to find such a figure.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Not easily done outside OECD and even within OECD there is no standard for death registration process so the numbers are unlikely to be comparable.
 
Here are some references:
 
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
 
https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#excess-mortality
 
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/understanding-excess-mortality-international-comparisons
 
The euromomo z scores seem illuminating because the big spikes seem to coincide with countries that were not good at keeping covid 19 out of care homes, particularly Britain, but someone who knows what they are talking about would have to check that.
 
I believe relatives of some of those that died before their time in British care homes are bringing a case against the government in due course, because of this:
 
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931
 
The effects of the common cold within care homes are more deadly than influenza, known about for years!
 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Also, we closing in on 20,000 excess non COVID-19 deaths during lockdown now in the UK. Imagine how many excess non COVID-19 deaths there have been worldwide up to now.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  DaveyP

This is only a select few places and slight lag in data but the non virus excess deaths (109k) work out at about 25% of registered worldwide deaths from COVID-19.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

Anon
Anon
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

The excess deaths are there to see, I don’t think it’s fair to call them negligible. There are certain segments of the population (basically the very old and the sick, most often a combination of both) to which Covid is extremely dangerous. To the rest of the population, nowhere near as much.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

The link doesn’t work but the assertion is preposterous. A five second search produces this https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-rankings-total-deaths You will see that cu 26 conditions in 2017 which would currently top the numbers of fatalities from Covid 19. Influenza and pneumonia come fourth with nearly six times the current count for Covid. And that was a five second search and a two minute analysis. (Note RTAs and suicides included in that table.)

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Melangell

A little look at my fave website for numbers will lay this to rest:
https://www.worldometers.info
 
Just this year, worldwide, there have been
3 773 000 deaths from cancer
772 300 from AIDS
620 000 fatal road traffic accidents
492 600 suicides
450 600 have died from malaria
223 800 from season flu
 
and 441 229 from (or with) covid 19

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

So more have died from malaria than CV19, and getting on for twice as many have died of AIDS… When did we shut down because of outbreaks of those?

Jacob Nielson
Jacob Nielson
6 years ago

In answer to a Written Question about the 2m rule – indoors v outdoors, yesterday, Edward Argar, Minister of State DHSC, said:
 
“My hon. Friend is absolutely right to highlight that this is not simply a binary choice, as there are many other factors that play a part, as other Members have alluded to—be it the length of time that one is in close contact with someone, the distance, and also whether it is inside or outside. Those are exactly the sort of considerations that those conducting the review under Simon Case will be considering.”
 
So some form of official review appears to be underway…..

Steve Hayes
6 years ago
Reply to  Jacob Nielson

The review is to report by 4 July.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Just in time for the pubs to find out that they didn’t need to have spent half as much money or put in half as much work after all.

Stevie119
Stevie119
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

They need to know in order to judge how much beer to make. It`s not an overnight process!

Dan Briggs
Dan Briggs
6 years ago

Wells City Council have completely lost their minds and put in a one way walking system up and down the High Street. I can barely believe the complete and utter stupidity.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=167498934754963&id=100587798112744

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Briggs

The local precinct has one. With “helpful” security guards standing in the way. Won’t be going back. Sod the high street, online only for me from now on.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Briggs

Jobs for jobsworths!

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago

This is from a colleague in the travel industry:
 
I would rather stick pins in my eyes.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Good grief!!
 
I would rather eat a light bulb thanks.

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I’ve got a whole box full of 50 of them – 100 W pearl bulbs 🙂

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

ROFL!!!!

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

I didn’t know there was a travel industry anymore!

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Abnormal,an insult to customers and staff.If the company is that worried about safety,is that a fire door propped open with an extinguisher ?.

DaveyP
DaveyP
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Those screen do absolutely nothing. If someone sneezes or coughs then the spray will go over, under, or round the side and on to the other person and their desk.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Except no one can travel! They are unlikely to be busy..

DocRC
DocRC
6 years ago

Some of you may have read my post yesterday about a reply I received to an email I sent to my MP, a junior Government Minister. Deliciously, I discover on Wikipedia that she used to a a professional software engineer and her parents were a GP and a Professor of Physiology! I wonder how much of the guff she wrote she actually believes? Here is my reply
 
Dear ………….,
 
I have been a NHS GP for 35 years and also have a degree in Physiological sciences. I note your background as a software engineer.
 
You say “The irresponsible comparison between coronavirus and seasonal flu has long been proven dangerously inaccurate” but the infection fatality rate (IFR) of Covid-19 has been estimated by leading world authorities such as Professor John Ioannidis of Stanford (based on a review of the literature) to be between 0.1 and 0.3%. It will almost certainly turn out to be much lower as we are now finding that up to 80% of people who contract the virus are asymptomatic. This puts the IFR of Covid in the same ball-park as seasonal flu (0.14%). 
 
I’m afraid I sense the words of Professor Ferguson in your… Read more »

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Great letter. Can’t wait to see the reply.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Great stuff! Hopefully that will sting a bit.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

If, that is, anyone reads it!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Well said. Hope she sees the sting directed at her, if not then this lot is even thicker than a bunch of planks!

4096
4096
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

You are obviously right but just a minor point – sadly the Ioannidis papers have been justifiably trashed by experts in the field e.g.
https://twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1251309217215942656
Natalie Dean is one one the lockdown maniacs and in her interview with Freddie Sayers for unHeard has proven herself not to be a very clever one at that but her arguments in that Twitter thread are valid.
 
For IFR it is, I think, best to refer to the official CDC estimate which is 0.26%. If I remember correctly this is about x1.3 the IFR of a bad flu (around 0.2) which, of course as I’m sure I don’t need to point out on this site, does not exactly seem like a good enough reason to, for the first time in history, shut down most of the global economy.
 
By the way, you would expect someone to notice that the CDC itself is effectively saying that this virus not much worse than a bad flu, but nope, onwards with the ‘terrifying’ stories about this vicious, deadly disease!

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Nice letter. I actually got a reply to my latest, in which I asked her to clarify whether the government had closed schools or not, referring to government lawyers in their answer to Simon Dolan’s legal case:
 
“Thank you for your email. I am unaware of the quote you refer to. However, I am able to confirm that the Secretary of State for Education, Gavin Williamson on 18 March said “Fighting Coronavirus and protecting the vulnerable and our NHS are the Government’s top priorities right now. That’s why we are asking schools, nurseries and colleges to close – except for vulnerable children and the children of key workers…..I am deeply grateful for the civic spirit and dedication of everyone working in education and I will continue to provide my full support throughout this crisis.”
 
I believe that this is a consistent message and is also consistent with the fact that the Government has issued Guidance to Schools throughout this crisis and will continue to support and guide schools in effecting a safe opening of schools.”
 
Funnily enough, everyone I have asked the simple question “did the government close schools” has looked at me as if I were mad, and said… Read more »

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That sounds like something my MP would write, absolute drivel!

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Sadly DocRC, belief always trumps evidence

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Congratulations. Brilliant.
But to the irretrievably stupid…
 
C. S. Lewis once wrote:
 
‘The worst thing about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed.’

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Great letter but the entire cabinet are “on message” Just about no dissenting no One sticking their head above the trench.
They are either total liars or clinically stupid.

Maybe stupidity is also a symptom of the dreaded Covidebola19
That would explain a lot. 80% of people non symptomatic but have CV would explain why most the population support lockdown

Bella Donna
Bella Donna
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Excellent!

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Excellent. And Ferguson is not an epidemiologist by the way, he’s a theoretical physicist.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  DocRC

Love your sentence ‘I note your background…’!!! Hard for him to hit back and claim he is more qualified than you!

mhcp
mhcp
6 years ago

There’s one of those truisms in life that I was thinking about. It’s the one about “What do you do when a child hands you his toy phone?”
 
Well you answer it of course. There’s no question about it.
 
Maybe this Enforced Separation nonsense can be solved by an army of children with toy phones. Or plastic picnic tables.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

It is children’s voices which have been sadly lacking in all of this. Why aren’t the NSPCC speaking up on their behalf? A hard hitting campaign with kids saying ‘I stayed in for three months for you’ would have more meaning and carry more weight than the current propoganda put out by Virgin media et al with middle class kids doing homework and dancing about

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

The charities have been disgracefully silent over this. Apart from domestic violence charities and Action on Addiction who to their credit have been pointing out how lockdown has seen an increase in domestic abuse and drug and alcohol addiction; I’ve noticed that children’s and mental health charities have been silent and not lobbying the government to open schools, end the lockdown and the antisocial distancing. Mental Health Week was shambolic and only paid lip service to this current crisis.
 
Hence why I have resolved not to donate to these charities when this is all over. Never again.

Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

[email protected]

Comments and complaints department for anyone who is interested.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Thanks. Will write to them and also to Mind and the Samaritans.

mjr
mjr
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

the larger charities are populated with the same metropolitan elite lefties that populate the media, BBC, NHS education etc. How often do you see such people being appointed to charities. so dont expect them to do anything differently. I never donate to big charities anyway as they are just money making machines to supply nice cushy jobs and nice new offices and are political . Keep to the smaller charities populated by people who care and where the money actually gets used positively

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  mjr

That’s why any appeal letter that I get through the post or between a magazine is immediately consigned to the recycling bin.

Ianric
Ianric
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

It is no surprise we have seen an increase in domestic abuse and drug and alcohol abuse because the lockdown has put enormous pressure on families. Families until recently couldn’t see friends and family from outside their household, children can’t go to school, many parents can’t go to work and are worried if they will have jobs to go back to.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

From today’s The Times:
 
Tories push to drop 2m rule as ‘dire’ jobless figures loom
 
Conservative MPs have called for the two-metre social-distancing rule to be scrapped as the government braces itself for “dire” unemployment figures.
Official figures released today are expected to show that the number of unemployed people rose to more than two million in the three months to April.
A succession of senior Tory MPs, including the former leaders Lord Hague of Richmond and Sir Iain Duncan Smith and the former cabinet minister Greg Clark, called on the government yesterday to ease the restriction.
There is also mounting pressure within government. Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, said last night that there was nothing magic about the two-metre rule, adding that “the science isn’t set in stone”. Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, has said that reducing it would have a “positive impact” on businesses and jobs.
Downing Street said yesterday that a government review of the rule may take weeks to complete.
Tobias Ellwood, chairman of the defence select committee, said: “One metre is the right decision; now is the right time, not in two weeks.”
Lord Hague wrote in his Daily Telegraph column that ministers could save “great swathes… Read more »

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They can’t be that idiotic. I could’ve told them that in March. Unless this is all a performance and we are the (paying) audience.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

I think they are. What do you expect from a bunch of people who did la-la land degrees at uni and have never done a proper day’s work in their life?

Jonathan Castro
Jonathan Castro
6 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

They could well be. I wonder if they really think that people who can work from home aren’t at risk from losing their jobs either. Lots of companies are running on reserves because they’re not selling anything even though they have work to do (software companies being a good example).

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I agree. It makes you wonder what this lot are thinking, that is if they’re doing any thinking at all.

John Smith
John Smith
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They’re dithering because they want the economy totally destroyed.

It’s quite obvious.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

Funny as its not really in the Conservative Party’s interest to see the economy totally destroyed so what gives?

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If they have profited from business interests that have been benefited as a result of this seemingly engineered panic over a mild virus then surely the POCA could be used to take those assets from them.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

My visit to the local Perrywood garden centre resulted in a resolve to never ever support them again – voted with my feet and wallet.
 
I was told that browsing was not allowed and that I had to take a trolley otherwise I would not be allowed in. When I questioned this non-sensical rule the Queue Director (Thanks for terminology Major Panic) told me that it was according to Government instructions. Asked to speak to a manager who eventually conceded that it was instructions from their sister company Perrywood to make the shopping trip safer for all and not from the Government. The trolleys apparently ensure the 2m distance between people. Oh and I am lucky that they now allow children to accompany adults as they did not allow children when they opened 4 weeks ago.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Hear, hear. The more we walk away hopefully this will force companies to grow some balls and lobby the government to end their insane regulations.

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Bloody Queue Director, they need to wake up

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I totally agree with you Victoria,the people that run these companies must live in a different reality to the rest of us,how do they expect to survive whilst at the same time going all out to alienate the customers they must desperately need ?.I have an ever growing list of shops and companies I have vowed never to use again because of the way they are treating customers,I also don’t understand places that have remained open all along fairly normally now deciding to implement stupid measures,a small co-op near me that has been pretty much normal has today introduced a limit of 10 customers at a time in the store.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

It’s like each shop thinks they are the only place the customer is going to visit.. they haven’t thought about the fact that a customer will have to go through these rigmaroles repeatedly, if they go to a shopping centre. No one needs to sanitise their hands that often, for example…

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

But won’t this allow the kiddie-super-speaders to infect any elderly shoppers? Can’t have that now? Or maybe kids don’t spread the virus 😉 !!!

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago

Just been told spain is re-opening for Brits – brilliant news! My flights wont be wasted afterall!
Iv alredy missed 2 ski trips and 2 spain trips because of all this bollocks.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago

Spain ha just said that they are imposing a 14 day quarantine for Brits in response to ours.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

bugger!

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago

I think it will be reversed. News I am getting from the industry is that air bridges will be in place before the end of the month.
 
A useful resource (that the UK has not signed up to yet):
 
https://reopen.europa.eu/en

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

I really hope so! I’ve already had 6 flights cancelled since April by easyJet 😥

paulito
paulito
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

They won’t be missing much. The insane ballbags in the Spanish government are doing everything in their power to make everyone’s holidays as shit as possible. Just yesterday I saw a couple being refused admission to a half empty beachside bar/restaurant because its capacity is limited. Depending on the region, you also may have to make an appointment to go to the beach. Benidorm announced this measure yesterday.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  paulito

Lol yeah, friends i stay with over there have been stopped a couple of times by police armed to the teath wanting a good reason why they are out and about – uk plates probably dont help
 
Should be fine, they know where to go where we shouldnt get hassled, hopefully

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Shooting themselves in the foot with a machine pistol!

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

Blimey, that’s a lot of missed airmiles over the lockdown!

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago

That’s great Have a good time.
I’m still trying to get back to my summer home on a Greek island – still hoping for mid July.

John Smith
John Smith
6 years ago

Have to off yer rocker to leave these shores until this bullshit is fully resolved.

Taking a humongous chance.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  John Smith

lifes too short to wait for ”fully resolved”

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago

Just back from town, nipped in to finish off what i’d tried to do yesterday. The bank had no Q outside today but I dutifully stood in the sun waiting myh turn. The sign said no more then 4 customers at a time, there were 6 customers inside, but luckily no one round here can count. No one shouted at me during my customer experience. Some of the bank staff were wearing full face visors, this is prommising, maybe the bank is branching out into dentistry, very enterprising – I might try and book a slot for a polish.
I hate shopping so I dont know what the rest of the high st was like, but it seemed quite busy.
 
Next went to Morrisons to pick up my ”unreported truths about covid-19 and lockdowns” booklet from the Amazon locker (it was only part 1, this is going to get expensive) There was no Q outside, but a bored Q director, soaking up the vit D, gave me a cheery ”good morning”. Do we Brits need to be directed in Qs? – we are the world experts at Q-ing.
 
i did a quick, headless chicken, shop – getting stuff… Read more »

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago

I love the idea of the scared witless being enticed out of their homes with trails of cheese! 😂

ianp
ianp
6 years ago

Loved this post! We should all look at all this Q ing business as a matter of urgency

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
6 years ago

We’re experts in the old Q-ing, really they should be called Q re-education officers.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago

“ There were a few fashion accessory muzzles – but in a free country it is a person right to look ridiculous.”

Loved this bit. These are the idiots I hate the most. People who actually picked out some fashion item.

I was in the supermarket a week ago. One 25 yrs old guy buying CIGARETTES from the counter in a mask. Then the moron turned round and walked back up the one way isle towards me and looked at me as it to give him 2 meters space.

Hope the Darwin awards applied to him one day

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