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Trying to write the daily update for Lockdown Sceptics when Caroline has left me in charge of the kids

As regular readers of Lockdown Sceptics will know, there was no update on Tuesday or Thursday of this week. This led to all sorts of speculation, including that the site had been subject to a denial-of-service attack and that it had been shadow-banned by Google!

In fact, I took Tuesday and Thursday off because I had to focus on preparing the Free Speech Union’s legal challenge against Ofcom as well as pulling the papers together for next week’s FSU board meting. I’ve also been neglecting my editorial duties at Quillette. That’s my “day job”, as it were, and doing Lockdown Sceptics has been more of a hobby. Continuing to do it every day just isn’t sustainable – particularly if I want my marriage to Caroline to survive! So I’m going to be posting updates (and other material) on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays from now on, with weekend posts occasionally.

I know a lot of you enjoy your regular dose of scepticism and I’m sorry I won’t be able to provide it every day. But there’s now a lot more of it about – in the Telegraph, for instance – and I’m confident that in due course even the Guardian and the BBC will acknowledge that the lockdowns haven’t been an unqualified success. I can feel the tide beginning to turn and eventually it will become a tsunami that sweeps away political leaders and top officials across the world.

Never in the course of human history has so much damage been done to so many by so few.

In the meantime, I hope you’ll continue to check the site regularly – and, of course, continue to talk to each other in the comment threads.

China Dragged Feet Over Releasing Vital Covid Info

Xi to Tedros: “Wait till the photographer’s left the room before you kiss my ring.”

Good story in the Associated Press. Throughout January, the WHO publicly praised China for what it called a “speedy response” to the new coronavirus. It repeatedly thanked the Chinese Government for sharing the genetic map of the virus “immediately” and said its work and commitment to transparency were “very impressive, and beyond words”.

Sounds good, right? But behind the scenes, it was a different story, one of significant delays by China and considerable frustration among WHO officials over not being able to get hold of the information they needed to understand the virus and how best to fight it.

China sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome, of SARS-CoV-2 for more than a week after three different Government labs had fully decoded the information. Tight controls on information and competition within the Chinese public health system were to blame, according to dozens of interviews and internal documents.

Very impressive and beyond words! Tell it like it is, Tedros.

Worth reading in full.

Black Lives Matter; Rank Hypocrisy Doesn’t

Doctors in New York join in a Black Lives Matter protest

Last Sunday I pointed out the rank hypocrisy of progressive journalists in the mainstream media wholeheartedly endorsing the Black Lives Matter protests in spite of depicting Dominic Cummings as the antichrist a couple of weeks ago because he drove to his parents’ house in Durham.

But if you think that was an example of hypocrisy on steroids, get a load of this. More than 1,200 US public health professionals have written an ‘open letter’ supporting the protests. Yes, these are the very same panjandrums who were ordering us to stay at home to flatten the curve until about five minutes ago. As David Bernstein writes in Reason:

Remember when all the politicians and talking heads were telling us we had to listen to the allegedly unanimous opinion of public health experts that nothing, literally NOTHING, was more important that social distancing to prevent the spread of coronavirus? And that anyone who raised objections to the scope or persistence of lockdowns was a misanthropic, anti-science troglodyte. That was yesterday. Today, protesting against racism is more important.

A friend of mine who’s supported the lockdowns until now is absolutely flabbergasted by this volte-face. “I’m sort of used to PC craziness but this is among the most insane things I’ve ever seen,” he told me. “I’m actually struggling to get my head around it.”

Let me help you with that, buddy. The reason public health workers and progressive politicians are now saying Black Lives Matter protestors are free to completely disregard the social distancing rules they’ve been promoting is because the scientific basis for those rules — particularly the most draconian, such as stay-at-home orders — is virtually non-existent. It was never about “the science”. Asking people to socially distance was, at bottom, a form of puritanical virtue-signalling, an opportunity for holier-than-thou elites to boss around the little people. So of course that “scientific advice” has now been trumped by another even bossier, even more self-righteous form of virtue-signalling: anti-racist sermonising.

The fact that the two are completely at odds with each other doesn’t seem to bother them. Just so long as they can wag their fingers in our faces as they turn puce with rage, they’re happy.

Stop Telling Lies About Sweden

Great column by Fraser Nelson in today’s Telegraph which nails the lie that Anders Tegnell, the architect of Sweden’s coronavirus response, has admitted that not locking down the country was wrong. Worth quoting the first few paragraphs in full:

Has Sweden finally repented of its error in rejecting lockdown? “Light touch cost us many lives, Swedish scientist concedes” ran an Australian headline.

“Swedish faith in Covid strategy plunges after errors revealed,” said an American newswire.

“Sweden’s Tegnell admits too many died,” revealed the BBC.

Only one country seemed to miss this story: Sweden. Anders Tegnell, its state epidemiologist, was quoted talking about other issues – but not renouncing his strategy. Which raises the question as to whether something was lost – or, rather, added – in translation.

Tegnell was asked if too many had died from Covid. “Yes, absolutely,” he replied. Hence the headlines. He went on to underline doubt, as he often does in his daily televised conferences. Everyone is learning all the time, he said, so if this happened again, of course he’d do things differently.

But it’s still too early to say what, he said. Perhaps he would not have closed down sixth-form colleges. He says he has still seen nothing to make him think lockdown worked – and points to Britain as an example of its failure. Will he have made mistakes? Certainly. Which ones? Only time will tell.

This is why scientists tend to stay out of the political arena: honesty backfires. Admit doubt, and it’s spun as a humiliating admission of failure. Admit regret, and it’s a declaration of incompetence. But science is full of doubt: positing a theory, inviting challenge and welcoming refutation.

Sex Loophole

Useful advice from RDawg in the comments beneath Wednesday’s update:

Those worried about not being able to have sex with somebody outside your own household, under The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2020 which were brought into force from Monday June 1st, I may have found a legal loophole.

It says: “7.—(1) During the emergency period…no person may participate in a gathering which takes place in a public or private place—
(a) outdoors, and consists of more than six persons, or
(b) indoors, and consists of two or more persons.

It then says you can be exempted, if “the gathering is reasonably necessary” and includes —
“(i) for work purposes”

Here’s the loophole: As long as one party pays for sex, this would fall under prostitution which is legally a form of work, and therefore exempt from the restrictions. Remember, in Great Britain prostitution is legal as long as you don’t solicit.

Alternatively, you could both start a business together (perhaps set up a limited company) and therefore every time you meet up it would be “for work purposes”.

I hope this is of some comfort to anyone concerned. 😆

Sceptic of the Week

Reyno de Beer. Jacques Naude African News Agency (ANA)

A big shout out to Reyno de Beer, the lockdown sceptic who challenged the constitutional legality of lockdown restrictions in the South African courts and won. According to a South African website:

The man behind the court victory which has the entire country talking, is an ordinary citizen who felt it was his civic duty to take on the mighty Government single-handedly.

It was the proverbial David taking on Goliath when Reyno de Beer, 43, of Derdepoort in Pretoria, faced counsel acting for Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma in the Gauteng High Court, Pretoria.

De Beer did not hesitate to make his voice heard; he conducted his own case before Judge Norman Davis.

He was the first applicant in the application to have the COVID-19 regulations declared unconstitutional. And he is immensely proud, but humble, that he won his case.

And the capper to this marvellous story is that De Beer’s victory may open the door to more lawsuits in the country.

I salute you, sir.

Latest ONS data on excess deaths

The ONS released some data today about non-Covid excess deaths in the period up to the week ending May 1st (Week 18), including an analysis of possible causes. Here are the headline figures:

Between March 7th and May 1st 2020, a total of 130,009 deaths were registered across England and Wales; this represents an excess of 46,380 death registrations compared to the five-year average, and 12,900 of these deaths (27.8%) did not involve the coronavirus (COVID-19).

So what was the cause of these non-Covid excess deaths? The ONS allows that some of them may have been due to undiagnosed COVID-19. But goes on to say:

The largest increases in non-COVID-19 deaths compared to the five-year average are seen in deaths due to “dementia and Alzheimer disease” and “symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions” (the latter mostly indicating old age and frailty); overall, there have been 5,404 excess deaths (an increase of 52.2% on the five-year average) due to dementia and Alzheimer disease and 1,567 excess deaths (an increase of 77.8%) due to “symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions” from Week 11 (ending March 13th) to Week 18 (ending May 1st), which together comprise two thirds of total non-COVID-19 excess deaths in this period.

In addition, some excess deaths were due to asthma and diabetes going untreated:

Deaths due to causes such as asthma and diabetes increased up to the week ending April 24th 2020 and occurred increasingly outside hospital; this could suggest a delay in care for these conditions is leading to an increase in deaths, although this rise could also be related to undiagnosed COVID-19.

Worth reminding that a cost-benefit of the lockdown in terms of loss of life doesn’t mean comparing the number of people who’ve died from COVID-19 with the number of people who’ve died – and will die – as a result of the lockdown. It means comparing the loss of life that has likely been prevented by the lockdown with the loss of life that is likely being caused by the lockdown. Since there’s very little evidence that the lockdown has prevented any loss of life, the fact that it has clearly caused some – as many as 12,900 in England and Wales in the period March 7th and May 1st 2020 – is pretty damning.

Incidentally, a woman whose father died in an English care home is taking legal action against the Government in an effort to hold it to account. You can contribute to her crowdfunder here.

LancetGate

Anyone extolling the benefits of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is immediately accused of touting “fake news” – and any posts doing so on Facebook or YouTube will likely be removed, having been red-flagged by the small army of “independent” fact-checkers employed by the social media companies.

But in fact, it’s respectable publications like the Lancet which are guilty of disseminating fake news, not sites like this one.

On May 22nd, the medical journal published a blockbuster peer-reviewed study which found that the antimalarial drug, heralded by Donald Trump as an effective treatment of coronavirus, was associated with a higher mortality rate in COVID-19 patients and increased heart problems. Three days later, the WHO announced it was dropping HCQ from its global study into experimental coronavirus treatments due to safety concerns. Other medical institutions and a number of national government quickly followed suit. It was official: HCQ was dead in the water.

Turns out, the Lancet study was fake news. The data were from a little-known US healthcare analytics company called Surgisphere. According to a report in the Guardian:

A Guardian investigation can reveal the US-based company Surgisphere, whose handful of employees appear to include a science fiction writer and an adult-content model, has provided data for multiple studies on Covid-19 co-authored by its chief executive, but has so far failed to adequately explain its data or methodology.

A science fiction writer and a nude model?!?

The Lancet has now retracted the dodgy paper and the WHO has resumed its HCQ trials.

The question is, why did the “independent” fact-checkers fail to spot this bit of fake news when they’ve been so quick to jump on anything purporting to show HCQ is effective? Could it be that they’re not actually independent at all, but Establishment lackeys determined to discredit anything that suggests COVID-19 isn’t the deadly pathogen it’s made out to be by governments around the world, particularly if it emanates from the White House?

In other drug news, Russia is rolling out a new antiviral and Gilead has announced results from a new trial of Remdesivir that look promising,

And in other research news, there’s evidence that COVID-19 is a blood vessel disease, which would explain the high incidence of blood clots, strokes and heart attacks among its victims. Although this evidence was published in the Lancet so TREAT WITH CAUTION.

Ex-Head of MI6 Endorses “Conspiracy Theory” That Virus Originated in Chinese Biolab

M reacts with alarm to the latest intelligence from her mole inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology

The UK Press Gazette announced on Wednesday that it was launching a campaign entitled “Fight the Infodemic”. “The aim is stop key platforms like Facebook, Google and Twitter from promoting misinformation about vital issues like COVID-19 and instead to favour evidence-based journalism from bona fide outlets,” it wrote. Bona fide outlets like the WHO, presumably, which coined the term “infodemic” to describe more or less any article or YouTube video that dissent from the WHO’s regular updates about the pandemic, even though they contradict each other from one day to the next.

Well, the Gazette may now have a new target in its sights: the Telegraph. On Wednesday, the paper revealed that Sir Richard Dearlove, former head of MI6, believes the virus originated in a Chinese virology lab. As regular readers will know, that hypothesis is often singled out as a “conspiracy theory”, part of the fake news “infodemic” that people like the editor of the UK Press Gazette are determined to protect us from.

In an interview with the Telegraph, Sir Richard said he had seen an “important” new scientific report suggesting the virus did not emerge naturally but was man-made by Chinese scientists.

He pointed to a scientific paper published this week by a Norwegian-British research team that claims to have discovered clues within the virus’s genetic sequence suggesting key elements were “inserted” and may not have evolved naturally.

“I do think that this started as an accident,” Sir Richard said in the new Planet Normal podcast hosted by Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan. “It raises the issue, if China ever were to admit responsibility, does it pay reparations? I think it will make every country in the world rethink how it treats its relationship with China and how the international community behaves towards the Chinese leadership.”

Sir Richard, who was the head of MI6 between 1999 and 2004, cited peer-reviewed research produced by Professor Angus Dalgleish of St George’s Hospital at the University of London, and the Norwegian virologist Birger Sorensen.

In their paper, the scientists claim to have identified “inserted sections placed on the SARS-CoV-2 Spike surface” that explain how the virus binds itself to human cells.

“The SARS-CoV-2 spike is significantly different from any other Sars that we have studied,” the paper says.

It warns that current efforts to develop a vaccine are destined for failure because the true aetiology of the virus has been misunderstood. To remedy the problem, the researchers are developing their own vaccine, produced by Immunor AS, a Norwegian pharmaceutical company led by Mr Sorensen.

Sir Richard described the study as “a very important contribution to a debate which is now starting about how the virus evolved and how it got out and broke out as a pandemic”, adding: “I think this particular article is very important, and I think it will shift the debate.”

He revealed that the Dalgleish/Sorensen paper had been rewritten several times. An earlier version, seen by the Telegraph, concluded that coronavirus should correctly be called “Wuhan virus” and claimed to have proven “beyond reasonable doubt that the COVID-19 virus is engineered”.

“We are aware that these findings could have political significance and raise troubling questions,” the authors originally wrote. The paper was widely circulated behind the scenes after being distributed for peer review, while intelligence officials reportedly examined its findings.

The Dalgleish/Sorensen paper concludes: “Henceforth, those who would maintain that the COVID-19 pandemic arose from zoonotic transfer need to explain precisely why this more parsimonious account is wrong before asserting that their evidence is persuasive, most especially when, as we also show, there are puzzling errors in their use of evidence.”

The paper has not yet been accepted for publication in any scientific journal. I’m happy to publish it on Lockdown Sceptics guys!

There’s more evidence that the virus didn’t original in the Wuhan seafood market here and here.

Stop Press: The Dalgleish/Sorensen paper has now been published, although in what looks like a neutered form.

Dodgy Death Data

The news that the UK has surpassed 40,000 Covid deaths – as of today, the official toll is 40,261– has led to a lot of finger-pointing, That’s the second-highest total in the world after the US.

The impression given by these headline figures is that we’re still in the midst of an epidemic – that more people are dying than ever – when the reality is that the virus is petering out across the country. But that isn’t clear from looking at the daily death toll because of the way deaths are reported in Britain. A reader has emailed to complain about this.

I’m continually annoyed with the bullshit way in which the “new deaths” statistics are being presented. The daily reported figure is a combination of all deaths since March which so far have gone unreported. However, it is seized upon at the daily briefing and held up as though it’s all deaths within the past 24 hours, which it certainly isn’t.

To compound that bullshit, they show a graph with each days “reported” figure on it, and then they overlay the seven-day average, which is basically just a line on a picture, as it doesn’t convey anything statistically meaningful.

The actual new deaths (at least for NHS Hospitals in England) have been plummeting over the past couple of weeks, with this past week of totals being the lowest since the middle of March.

I show the totals (so far) for the past 14 days below;

T 145

F 120

S 122 (May 23rd)

S 110

M 131

T 131

W 114

T 111

F 101

S 85 (May 30th)

S 72

M 75

T 69

W 24 (up to 5pm yesterday)

I wonder how long it will be before we have a day when NO new deaths are reported by NHS England – my feeling is it will be very soon, possibly the start of next week. My further wonder, then, is how long before the Government realises that there is absolutely no way that the lockdown can continue when there are no longer any people dying of COVID-19?

How reliable are the Covid death tolls of the other countries we’re being compared to?

Spain, for instance, reported no new deaths from COVID-19 in the 48 hours to midday on Tuesday, hailed as “an achievement of everyone” by Pedro Sánchez, the Spanish Prime Minister. Yet on the same day, two Spanish regions – Madrid and Castile-La Mancha – reported 17 deaths between them. When questioned about this, the Spanish Health Ministry said it hadn’t been informed of any death that had taken place in the previous 24 hours.

The reason for the discrepancy is the Health Ministry only includes deaths in its daily update if they’ve occurred in the last 24 hours and been reported to the Ministry. If they occurred earlier, but were only reported in the last 24 hours – or if they occurred in the last 24 hours, but weren’t reported – they aren’t included in the update.

In other words, one of the reasons the UK has a higher death rate than its European neighbours is because some of them have been fiddling the figures.

World’s Most Influential Statistician Says Social Distancing Rules Unnecessary

Freddie Sayers has a new interview up at UnHerd, this time with Professor Karl Friston, ranked by Science magazine as the most influential statistician in the world. He’s the guy who coined the phrase “immunological dark matter” to explain the apparently mysterious discrepancy between Covid death tolls in different countries. Judging from everything he says, Professor Friston is a fully-fledged lockdown sceptic. Here is Freddie summarising the interview:

His models suggest that the stark difference between outcomes in the UK and Germany, for example, is not primarily an effect of different government actions (such as better testing and earlier lockdowns) but is better explained by intrinsic differences between the populations that make the “susceptible population” in Germany – the group that is vulnerable to COVID-19 – much smaller than in the UK.

As he told me in our interview, even within the UK, the numbers point to the same thing: that the “effective susceptible population” was never 100%, and was at most 50% and probably more like only 20% of the population. He emphasises that the analysis is not yet complete, but “I suspect, once this has been done, it will look like the effective non-susceptible portion of the population will be about 80%. I think that’s what’s going to happen.”

Theories abound as to which factors best explain the huge disparities between countries in the portion of the population that seems resistant or immune – everything from levels of vitamin D to ethnic-genetic and social and geographical differences may come into play – but Professor Friston makes clear that it does not primarily seem to be a function of government coronavirus policy.

In other words, none of the interventions made by the British Government, with the support of its scientific advisors, has made the slightest bit of difference to the rate of infection or the death toll.

As Freddie points out, this has huge implications when it comes to relaxing social distancing measures – and makes a nonsense of compulsory mask-wearing on public transport.

Immediately it would change how we should think about lifting lockdown: a tube carriage in London might in theory have to be restricted to 15% capacity to maintain social distancing of two metres, but if, as Professor Friston believes, the susceptible population in London was only ever 26% and 80% or more of that group is now provably immune via antibody testing, you can put a lot more people in a tube carriage without increasing the level of risk. Ditto restaurants, pubs, theatres and most recently, MPs in parliament. It would question the whole idea of social distancing being a feature of any “new normal”.

Worth watching in full.

Sir Patrick Vallance Puts Two Metres Between Himself and Politically Toxic Quarantine Plan

At the daily press briefing on Wednesday, Sir Patrick Vallance was at pains to distance himself from the Government’s plan to quarantine arrivals at British airports for two weeks, reports the Times.

At Wednesday’s press conference, Vallance confirmed that SAGE scientists had not been asked to provide advice on the Government’s quarantine proposals.

He warned that quarantining new arrivals at ports of entry was only likely to be effective at the beginning of a pandemic when it could be used to restrict travel from countries with high rates of infection. He emphasised that the decision about when to impose such measures was “something for politicians to make”.

They make the policy and they make the timing decisions. The advice that the experts from SAGE gave is that the measures at the border are most effective when the incidence is very low in this country and when applied to countries which have higher incidence.

Meanwhile, Theresa May is leading a back bench rebellion against the plan. Already, the following workers will be exempt:

  • People moving through the UK (such as passing through airports en route to another country)
  • Road hauliers
  • Coach and public transport operators
  • Seamen, ship pilots and ship inspectors
  • Air crew
  • Civil aviation inspectors
  • Cross-channel rail drivers and crew
  • Civil servants or government contractors needed for “essential policing or essential government work”
  • Guards escorting prisoners
  • People entering the UK to carry out emergency work on water, sewerage, electrical or rail networks
  • Nuclear personnel essential to safe operation of a site
  • Inspectors from the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in the UK for an inspection
  • People carrying out critical roles at a space site or on a spacecraft
  • Specialist aerospace engineers
  • Downstream oil workers
  • Offshore oil workers
  • Postal workers in the UK in their official role
  • Specialist workers in the UK to ensure continued production or supply of goods
  • Specialist waste management workers
  • Someone receiving healthcare (or accompanying a child)
  • People transporting blood or human cells
  • Healthcare professionals needed to work in next 14 days
  • Medicines regulator inspectors
  • People taking part in clinical trials
  • Those carrying out a clinical investigation
  • Telecoms engineers
  • People working in the UK who reside in another country and return at least once a week
  • Seasonal workers in the UK specifically to work in horticulture

If the Government is looking for a face-saving way to climb down, couldn’t it just make this list even longer?

Stop Press: Simon Dolan and his legal team have written an eight-page letter to Priti Patel challenging the legality of the quarantine plan. They make the following points:

  • A significant number of people who travel to and from the UK are fully exempt from the plans, meaning thousands of potentially infectious people will be free to spread the virus anyway.
  • Under the regulations, anyone is permitted to use public transport to travel to their place of self-isolation and once there can live with others and can also go out to the shops to obtain supplies of food. So what’s the point?
  • There is no way of enforcing the 14-day quarantine period – this is completely dependent on self-compliance.
  • The regulations will have a devastating effect on the aviation and travel industries.
  • The knock-on effect will be felt by countless other industries – such as the hotels, restaurants and tourist attractions catering to foreign visitors.

Facemasks Mandatory on Public Transport – What Fresh Hell is This?

Commuters at Waterloo Station waiting to board the 5.45pm to Guildford

At Thursday’s press briefing, Transport Minister Grant Shapps announced that face coverings would be mandatory on public transport from June 15th. Why, given that even the WHO has concluded that wearing masks is pretty pointless?

Today, in a Lockdown Sceptics exclusive, I’ve published a comprehensive review of the scientific literature on facemarks by the biomedical researcher David Crowe. His conclusion is as follows:

Evidence is largely against mask-wearing by the general public. It is generally seen as ineffective, may take attention away from other protective measures, will reduce the supply of masks for healthcare workers and may cause harm when worn for extended periods of time.

Worth reading in full.

The Government must know that facemasks are useless, so why this ridiculous assault on our liberty? The only explanation I can think of is that ministers like Grant Shapps don’t think the public will believe them if they tell the truth – that it’s perfectly safe to use public transport – because they’ve succeeded in scaring the bejesus out of them over the past 12 weeks. The only way to coax the labour force out from under their beds and back into the workplace is to make mask-wearing compulsory.

A Parent Writes…

I’ve been getting a lot of emails like this:

I am appalled as a parent that going back to the classroom for my youngest means social distancing – no toys, no books, no proper outdoor playing, etc… whilst out there we are treated with pictures of mass gatherings with hundreds flaunting the rules we are meant to adhere to. Bonkers and double-standards of the highest order.

And the Real Identity of Wilfred Thomas Is…

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No! It’s a lockdown sceptic

The young academic who’s written several brilliant piece for Lockdown Sceptics using the pseudonym “Wilfred Thomas” has told me to reveal his true identity. “I’ve decided to leave higher education,” he says. “If an academic can’t write that type of thing and put his name on it then what’s the point of higher education?”

The man behind the mask is in fact… drum roll… Dr Frederick Attenborough, a Senior Lecturer in Sociology at Bishop Grosseteste University.

Freddie will be writing more for Lockdown Sceptics, but under his real name in future. In the mean time, have another read of his masterwork: “The 1957-58 Asian Flu Pandemic: Why Did the UK Respond So Differently?“

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Small Businesses That Have Reopened

A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have reopened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the last 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. It takes me about nine hours, which doesn’t leave much time for other work. If you feel like donating, however small the amount, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here.

And Finally…

In my Spectator column this week I take aim at YouTube for banning my video setting out the case against lockdowns and shadow-banning the Triggernometry interview with Peter Hitchens. Here’s a couple of paragraphs:

Apparently YouTube now has a policy of censoring any talking heads, no matter how distinguished, who dissent from Covid orthodoxy. This was announced by the company’s CEO Susan Wojcicki on CNN on April 19th. In an interview on Reliable Sources, she said YouTube would remove any information about the virus it regarded as “problematic”: “Anything that would go against World Health Organisation recommendations would be a violation of our policy.”

For those who care about free speech, this is deeply alarming. One of the WHO’s recommendations in the early stages of the pandemic was that countries indiscriminately quarantine whole populations, as China did. That policy, which has been widely taken up and which may well have caused more deaths than it has prevented, has resulted in the civil rights of more than a billion people being suspended. Is the American social media company really saying we’re not allowed to criticise that? Yes, because that’s exactly what I was doing in the video clip I posted.

Stop Press: I’m happy to announce that on the day my column appeared, YouTube ended its shadow-ban of the Hitchens interview. I was just one of several voices calling for the ban to be lifted, but Peter was kind enough to thank me on Twitter.

Delighted to do anything to help, Peter.

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Auntie Welter
Auntie Welter
6 years ago

Surely the bottom line in all this is how/why people think? Cognitive functioning requires training.Usually this happens on specific courses at university. Does anyone get this via a test/exam school system? So if we imagine 64 million people crawl from the education process and DO follow the orthodox narrative, maybe the reason for this is there before us in what we teach, how we teach it and also why? We ask why people can’t see or understand x, y, z but ask the question – why should they think differently and how could they? Perhaps the reason people bleat and follow the big, loud shepherd is because they were trained to be sheep? Then – should they see the shepherd is a raging idiot – they could bleat in a different way? Perhaps in a more productive way? Maybe we cannot save this generation but the next one would theoretically benefit from educational reform though the will to do so, money, people and time needed may make it impossible in theory when it is possible in fact.

lhaberle65
lhaberle65
6 years ago

I am so happy I found this site! It has really helped me to combat the crazy-making gas-lighting of the US mainstream media! Thank you for this!

ianp
ianp
6 years ago

MasonMills has been on twitter again…. apparently the main protagonist troublemakers have been boxed in or kettled as they have refused to leave the BLM protests. BLM (and I suspect ANTIFA) are rather worried it seems …
 
The awful scenes at the weekend (which I have no doubt that the majority of the population have been horrified to see) have simply ‘unmasked’ the media and these anarchists for what they are, despite scum like the BBC trying to portray it all as peaceful and highlighting every single piece of ‘police brutality’.
 
Note even smarmy Starmer coming out and condemning some of the violence now (word must have got through to him that it wasn’t particularly popular)
 
Now onto June 15th and D-Day for this fucking mask shit to be a complete flop…

Abi
Abi
6 years ago

Please disregard my previous post, I dunno how to delete it but here is what I wanted to post:

I have been asked if I have any propositions to make and I do have one.
A protest. I understand they were well ahead of us and staged protests against the lockdowns that were portrayed to be by far right people, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers, and now everyone (well the majority) is convinced that anyone who protests against the rules deemed to be for our safety are the baddies. The protest I am suggesting though is different to any other protests. It will happen differently and It’s about spreading doubts in people’s minds, in the same way they spread fear. Lockdowns and social distancing are already implemented and have become unquestionable, however the new rule to be implemented from mid June is the compulsory wearing of face masks on public transport. Before it actually happens we might have a chance to plant a seed of doubt in people’s mind.
So here is what I think we can do. Make a placard that reads (this is when I need you to intervene so we can come up with the perfect wording)… Read more »

Abi
Abi
6 years ago

I think it’s very important that we get our voice heard outside this site and the web in general as people stick to their own favourite news providers and tend to not be interested in looking elsewhere, what is good about this site is that it gathers the sceptics. it seems like it is impossible to organise a protest without it being portrayed as a far right or conspiracy theorists, they were well ahead and staged such protests and made sure they get full coverage. What we can do is a uniform but individual protest, what I mean is that every single person will make a placard they can either wear by attaching it to strings or hold every time they go out wherever they are. I have made my own and I’m wearing every time I go out, mine reads no to compulsory masks, there are a lot of things I would like to write also, but as this new rule have been declared yet not to take place till mid June, I feel it has more chances than protesting already implemented rules.

matt
matt
6 years ago

Question from the Guardian journalist on the press briefing “If Britain is not a racist country, can you explain why more BAME people are dying from Covid 19?”

I mean… I just… it’s… there are no words for this level of stupidity.

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Was that a serious question? A journalist actually asked that?

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Not a word of a lie.

Actually, I’ll qualify that: there was a secondary question as well, pointing out that there had been a disproportionate number of Covid fines issued to ethnic minorities and suggesting that this also proved that Britain is a racist country.

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Is it the virus that is racist?

If you want more proof that Britain is a racist country, apparently one black female MP was accidently mistaken for another black female MP! According to the BBC this happened “on two separate occasions”! This shows how serious the problem is:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-52938162

Racism exists and it is ugly. All this nonsense actually demeans the seriousness of it.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

My only position on racism is that actual racism is a bad thing. My position on identity politics is that it’s also a bad thing and divisive and destructive. I have been deliberately not getting involved in any of the BLM threads (though I’m not objecting to them being discussed). The above post is not meant to be a comment on anything other than the staggering stupidity of guardian journalists

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

Which countries are not racist, in your opinion?

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

Iceland. Doesn’t have the opportunity.

Don’t try to draw me in. I’m not interested enough.

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

The question was meant for james007

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

It’s like trying to reason about metaphysics with a telegraph pole

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

Nah, telegraph poles can give the impression of wisdom by keeping silent. 🙂

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

“If Britain is not a misandrist country, can you explain why more men are dying from Covid 19?”

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

OK I know you didn’t mean this as a serious question 🙂 But I think the most likely reason is that many women over 70 are already on vitamin D (plus calcium) for osteoporosis.

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

That’s typical of The Guardian. Their virtue signalling verges on the criminal. Try OffGuardian instead:
 
https://off-guardian.org/

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Oh, and that bloody woman from sky also asked a question trying to get that fool Hancock to commit to a number of daily deaths that would be acceptable in exchange for fully reopening the economy. Suffice it to say that the real answer should have been far, far higher than any of the options she offered.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Obviously the answer is that the virus is racist.

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

This can’t be serious surely?

Cody
Cody
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Covid 19 is obviously a racist virus.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago

Here we have a brilliant example of someone who claims he’s not racist bd others are. You’re fooling no one pal. Oh and fuck you for telling people what they can make jokes about. You’re vile mate

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

Sorry folks. My last posts were as a reply to RDawg. Website seems to be having a hissy fit

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

Clearly not progressive. Either stupid or agent provocateurs

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

Clearly not progressive. Either stupid or agent provocateurs

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Hi Bella. It was an old photo. I have since deleted it. Twitter fooled me.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Gotcha

Annabel Andrew
Annabel Andrew
6 years ago

I have just had a response from my MP, which I will copy here- the last sentence fills me with horror:
 
 
It is much appreciated that you have taken the time to get in touch. Coronavirus is the biggest challenge the UK has faced in decades – and we are not alone. All over the world we are seeing the devastating impact of this disease.
 
That’s why the Government has put in place strict social distancing – to slow the spread of the virus so the NHS would not be overwhelmed, and lives could be saved. And thanks to the hard work and sacrifice of the British people, and despite a tragic loss of life, the UK slowed the spread of coronavirus. Our health system was not overwhelmed – with spare beds, ventilators and hospitality capacity at all times. 
 
The Government’s objective is to return to our way of life as soon and as safely as possible – focusing on not just saving lives, but also livelihoods. However, it is absolutely vital that as we do so, we avoid the risk of a second peak that overwhelms the NHS. And importantly doesn’t waste the huge sacrifices… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

Yes, written by a man who knows that his £85k on the state will see us all through the worst of times …

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

His reply makes me want to vomit. He shows no comprehension whatsoever of just what his glorious leader has unleashed, nor any acknowledgement of the enormity of denying people their civil liberties.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Most of his reply is way out of date. He’s just added a bit about the fictitious second peak bogeyman.
However, at least he replied, even if it did mean just pressing a button.

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

Who was the MP? Sounds like a power-crazed megalomaniac to me!

Annabel Andrew
Annabel Andrew
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

He’s actually a nice chap but -yes- this was a copy and paste job!

coalencanth12
coalencanth12
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

This looks a lot like something put around by a whips office to stick in a pro-forma letter…

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

I dunno who your MP is but this is a stock reply with no intelligent or independent thought. They really haven’t a clue what they’re talking about and this comes straight out of the bulshit playbook. If there’s another lockdown everything’s finished. that’s it, over. It’s why I think writing to MPs is a waste of time. They give you a neutered response and then convince themselves you’re going to go away satisfied. ‘Job done, I claim my £81,932.’ (PS wonder if they were on furloughed payments. Isn’t it 80% up to a maximum of £25,000 or thereabouts? Though I suspect they’d claim answering the odd letter would constitute working from home.)

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

France have already said they will not lock down again they cant afford it never liked Macron but hes gone up in my estimation now.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Nic

He’s gone up in my estimation too. By about 1 thousandth of an inch. Of course they can’t afford another lockdown so why did they have the first one? This was obvious from the start. If there’s no second wave it proves they didn’t need the _first_ lockdown! Of course they won’t spin it like this.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

If I remember rightly, they get extra money to work from home – plus a £10,000 grant for essential office equipment.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

I’m glad his copy/paste buttons are working properly and that he has access to the transcripts of all of the interviews with cabinet ministers in the last 3 months.

Look – they call it “the party line” for a reason. We’re never going to get MPs come back and actually try to debate with us – they’ll just reach for the “standard Covid fob off” template instead. However, it is important to do it, because the more MPs – especially Tory MPs – who realise that there is a growing and informed group of the electorate who are seeing this for what it is, the more likely it is that there will be more pressure to take the jackboot off the willing faces of the masses.

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

My friends and myself keep bombarding our Mp will emails asking for answers and criticising lockdown you have got to wear them down they must realise we arent buying this crap anymore.

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

I would reply even you know Mr MP we can never lock down again it would be economic suicide! not for him of course he will probably get another bonus the twat

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

this sentence is more horrific “The Government is taking unprecedented action to support businesses, jobs and our economy, to ensure that people can pay their bills and put food on the table. The Job Retention Scheme has already supported over 7 million jobs, that otherwise could have been lost, while more than 35,000 loans have gone out to smaller businesses” The government can’t organise a piss up in a pub never mind know how to make money

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

I think it’s going to be taking money not making it.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

“Behave or you’ll be punished again” is how I read that response.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

Well, I for one won’t be doing lockdown again any time soon.

Cruella
Cruella
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

Th last sentence is deeply concerning. If we fail to follow the rules? Even if there aren’t any infections? Jesus H christ what have we done.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

I didn’t vote for them!

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  Annabel Andrew

“All over the world we are seeing the devastating impact of this disease.”
 
Should actually read ‘the devastating response to this disease’. What a tosser.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago

Mind you miscegination has much going for it!

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago

Your thoughts on David Dorn, concrete ?

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

… the hard man is set in his ways JohnB

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Only if you know of a reliable spirit medium …

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago

lol, I think our rock hard friend is just attention seeking. I quote:
 
“Can’t you set up BLMsceptics.org?”
 
I suppose you’ll have to address that question to Toby Young whose site this is.
 
Personally I’m just not interested.
 
Maybe you could set one up conc?

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1269961883760680960/photo/2
 
This graph shows Covid-19 cases in Austria. It also shows that you cannot use R in the end of the epidemic. It will always fluctuate but uninteresting because of small numbers. The important thing to measure is hospitalization, ICU and deaths, well aware of the 10-14 days delay before they show anything after new cases. The most important thing is which type of cases are detected in the tail end of the epidemic i.e, how many are screening, asymptomatic etc. The use of R is just another instrument to deceive the public.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

This is another thing can convinces me it’s all image management. Why move the focus from deaths (even whilst you’re falsifying the figures upward!) to this mystical modelled number that nobody really understands?

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

“Why move the focus from deaths…”. Because deaths are falling, but ‘infections’ can be ramped up by increasing testing. And even if those infections are among healthy people who show no symptoms nor serious illness, they still look like a ‘second wave’.

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Exactly

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

It’s well understood what it means. It is 1 or thereabouts and will be for the next thousand years or more. Every now and then it will go above 1 (oh my gosh, EXPONENTIAL growth!) for a bit, and then down below 1 for on average about the same amount of time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-r-rate-england-regional-1-spread-a9551101.html

Look at the alarm generated here over a computer modelled estimate that R is 1.01 in parts of the country!

Gillian
Gillian
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Hi Swedenborg. I’m thinking from your excellent posts that you have some sort of specialist/professional knowledge of the science behind all this? Would it be possible to explain as simply as possible to the lay person how the public health people calculate the R number at any given time? I’m completely confused about it and it is (so they say!) the most important number in working out where we are in the course of the epidemic. Thanks in anticipation….

GLT
GLT
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Hi Gillian, I am not a scientist so you might hopefully get a better answer from Swedenborg, but….it’s basically the rate at which an infection spreads and can only be properly calculated looking backwards with a lot of collected data. It is usually only used in a broad sense to understand the characteristics of particular diseases. When the government calculates it, they are using a mathematical model, making a whole load of assumptions (IFR, infection numbers, population movement etc etc) and coming up with a hypothetical figure. The best discussion of this is between Professor Levit and the Imperial College team during the Brazilian webinar that Toby linked to previously. Professor Levit (Nobel prize for his work on biophysics models) challenges ICL on the R number on the basis that he cannot understand how it can be calculated in a meaningful way and no-one can explain it to him after numerous requests. ICL do not justify their calculations and the discussion ends there….

Gillian
Gillian
6 years ago
Reply to  GLT

Thanks GLT, very helpful. I think I understand WHAT the R number is, it is regularly explained at (eg) the daily No 10 press conferences. But they never explain HOW they actually work out the number. It would be good if they could give their “workings” each time, so that independent experts not connected to SAGE or the government could critique it.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

R is an observed average. They look to see how many people are getting infected within a fixed time frame and compare with previous observations.
 
It will be different depending on the size of the sample you are using. Hence why the variation between towns,cities and regions.

Gillian
Gillian
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Thanks for this, Nobody 2020.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Gillian, you don’t actually need to understand it because it’s just being used as a big red herring.
 
I’m sure someone who understands R number better than me will explain how/why this is.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Others have already commented correctly so hopefully my answer would be superfluous.
Let us take measles with R 10. It will spread to 10 persons and so on. In practice to stop a spread of measles you need 90 % of persons infected before it stops the spread and the epidemic peters out. As others stated, you will do these calculations retrospectively. Only 10 % of population left not infected and 90% infected after a measles epidemic. Immunity to measles would be based upon antibodies detected.
With the R factor calculated in Wuhan of Covid-19 between R 2-3 roughly 60% of population would be required to be infected to stop the spread and for the epidemic to die out. But as others have commented, a very artificial situation as we don’t know really how many cases have occurred as we only count the PCR + cases. We don’t know how many asymptomatic cases we have. This was the most dangerous information from China/WHO when they early on, denied that there were any asymptomatic or very few such cases. That meant that the modeller calculated we needed 60% clinical cases to get herd immunity and many deaths because of the high… Read more »

jrsm
jrsm
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

I think the problem is that they are only looking , say, at 1/50 of the true cases. If they could somehow test everyone simultaneously, after the peak they would always see R falling. But since they are looking at random samples of the population, e.g. a factory with a cluster of asymptomatic cases, they will always observe random fluctuations. They will miss huge chunks of the population where the infection has come and gone undetected, and therefore have no clue of what the real value of R is.

Nic
Nic
6 years ago
Reply to  jrsm

And many experts say a lot of people fight the virus off without producing antibodies which means we will never know the true numbers of infected

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Nic

It’s a shoal of red herring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ov81aogaxg

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

To put things in perspective, HCoV-NL63 is a human coronavirus that originated in bats. It infects human cells via the ACE2 receptor which its spike glycoprotein binds to. Although infection usually results in mild symptoms it can cause severe pneumonia and death in the elderly or immunocompromised.

Sound familiar? Although it wasn’t discovered until 2004 (just after SARS1 got people interested in these things) its R number has been hovering somewhere around the 1.0 mark since about the 11th century (estimated from mutation rates).

In fact the R number of HCoV-NL63 has averaged out to about 1.00006 over the last 1000 years.

This is because far from locking everyone down and banning sex for the last 1000 years we irresponsibly allowed the number of potential victims to grow from only 300,000 or so at the time of the Norman Conquest to more like 8 billion now.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

People will use that to confirm they are right to be cautious. Think of all those deaths that could have been prevented had we not been living so recklessly all this time.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

https://youtu.be/TcJ-wNmazHQ
 
And here’s one for the end times….

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Race hatred is race hatred, whether it’s justified by white superiority or by black/white virtue signaller victimhood and resentment.
 
BLM is a race hate movement.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

My defining philosophy in life is ‘you don’t beat them by joining them’. (Yes, a riposte to the thoroughly nonsensical ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’.)
 
From where I’m sitting BLM are trying to beat them by joining them, and that never works.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

The equivalent would be whites joining white supremacist and skinhead groups in a defensive response to BLM. And so the cycle escalates.
 
I recall a long time ago someone talking about how Yugoslavia fell apart, explaining that the real enemies of the extremists on either side were never each other, but rather the moderates in the middle who opposed both extremes. They were always the ones who got killed first.

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Luther King’s dream was that every person be judged by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin. All should be considered equal.
I’m unsure of sure of the link between the madness of coronapanic and these riots.
Both collective hysteria.
I dont understand how an instance of police brutality in the US leads to war memorials in the UK being defaced.

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

That memorial is in the states

Michael Coulson
Michael Coulson
6 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

Are you sure? The dates are wrong for a US war memorial.

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago

please see comment below
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Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago

It’s of Cape Town university, and not directly connected to BLM

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

“I dont understand how an instance of police brutality in the US leads to war memorials in the UK being defaced.”
 
The mechanism is pretty clear isn’t it? Whipping up of division and hatred by waving the bloody shroud of George Floyd.
 
Presumably you mean you don’t understand the reasoning of people who would use the former to support the latter? But reason goes out the window when hatred and anger (or fear) take over. That’s why claiming people are “being murdered” is such an effective propaganda tool.

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

we’re dying!
 
i can’t breathe!
 
my iphone has run out of battery!!!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaa!

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

It’s an old picture

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

Fair enough. Doesn’t change the underlying truths.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The image was (innocently) misrepresented. That’s accepted and in fact it seems to have been withdrawn.
 
The underlying truths remain truths and stand alone.

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I deleted it as I should have checked the source properly. My bad.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

That’s fair enough and probably for the best. As I said, I’ve no doubt it was innocent.
 
If only the BBC and social media would do the same with all the dishonest stuff they’ve posted over the course of this corona/BLM charade. Though by now I suppose they’d just be concealing evidence…

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Point taken. Image removed. Was misinformation on Twitter. In the words of Roger Daltrey – “I won’t get fooled again.”

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

I decided to delete it, on reflection. My bad.

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

Sorry not the states, it’s Cape Town.
 
Oh for an edit button on the comments here…

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  Edgar Friendly

“Sorry not the states, it’s Cape Town.”
Oh, thanks, should have realized that.
 
I don’t understand the reasoning, as Mark says there is no reasoning. It’s a continuation of “The Madness of Crowds”, as in the book by Murray.
The BBC says these protests are “largely peaceful”. In other words, only a few isolated riots. They do not mention whether the protests are against lockdown rules or not (despite the BBC’s enthusiasm for such rules). As this blog discusses, it would seem that they are.
Perhaps no-one cares about lockdown rules anymore, despite the fact that all businesses are being bullied into following them, and that as far as I can tell my dentist, churches and local schools remain firmly closed.
 

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

In between truly revolting wails about racism ( not a word against mob violence), Church Times has circulated a questionnaire that is strongly biased towards expressing a preference for online services on a permanent basis.
https://yorksj.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_cAYhUS8YSvn0ir3
 
So much for the sacred uildings that every generation up to this one has cherished.

TheyFoughtForOurFreedom
TheyFoughtForOurFreedom
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

The folks remembered on those war memorials died, after heroic struggle against the odds, fighting for our right to protest against being locked down and against police brutality. Any protester vandalising them is even stupider than your average lockdown zealot. Might be nice to have a protests surrounding and protecting a war memorial, shouting “they died for our right to be free, fuck the lockdown”. We should have done it two days ago on D-day.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago

Do they not realise black people died in the wars?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

An inconvenient truth.

Gillian
Gillian
6 years ago

Scottish schools were due to stop for the summer holidays on 25 June. The weekend after that, 27/28 June, would have been the big “getaway” weekend at Scottish airports when all the various groups which make up Scotland’s hugely bloated public sector and its hangers-on (teachers, social workers, housing association officials, local council officials, employees of the Scottish Government and its various quangos, court workers, administrators of every size and shape, university staff etc etc) would have been jetting off to sunny places for a fortnight with the kids. The majority of these people have been at home since March 23rd on full pay. All hell will break loose at the end of the month if they don’t get their “well-earned” break in the sun. This will be the first time these people will actually suffer from the consequences of the lockdown. Expect lots of grumbling!

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

i hear people at work say “thank god for Nicola” and i say what has she done? Then i ask them to name one single policy of the SNP apart from independence and i’ll give them a tenner and so far everyone i’ve ever asked has never been able to, not one and i’ve asked loads of people.

Fly
Fly
6 years ago

Hello. Been a silent reader for weeks now, drawing comfort and inspiration from the lockdownsceptics.org pages. Today, I stumbled upon something quite extraordinary, even for a lockdown sceptic… Coronavirus numbers in London.
“The total number of reported deaths in London hospitals of patients who tested positive for COVID-19 is now 6,026. The total number of deaths where COVID-19 mentioned on the death certificate is 178.”
 
https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/coronavirus-numbers-london
 
Is it just the wording?

pachydermus
pachydermus
6 years ago
Reply to  Fly

At a guess it should say 6026 died who had tested positive, whether or not they died from cv19, plus an additional 178 with cv19 mentioned on the death certificate whether or not they died from cv19.

Dinger
Dinger
6 years ago
Reply to  Fly

That gives an IFR of 0.295% which is what Toby and others have been suggesting here and elsewhere.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago

Why are you still here?

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Presumably you’ve explained that to Toby and he will be publishing a retraction later?

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Not unless he produces a remarkably convincing argument. If he does try to exclude this topic it will most likely be because he’s been leaned on, as is usually the case.
 
If so I’ll probably just stop posting here, which i suppose will solve your problem

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Is “seeing the error of his ways” code for “agreeing with me unequivocably” ?
 

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Ok, good. So do that – trying to police other people’s posts isn’t helping you do that, is it. You think the discussion of what is and isn’t wrong/connected with BLM is unnecessary? – Good for you. Don’t participate.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Brexit is not directly related to coronapanic, whereas BLM clearly is.
 
That said, there are a diversity of people here with a range of personal issues that they tend to focus on. Mostly people can manage to pass over the bits they aren’t interested in to the ones they are, but you seem to feel entitled instead to call for the exclusion of the bits you are not interested in.
 
At the moment, while people are dying as a direct result of BLM lies, it’s the biggest story of the day. In a few days, doubtless these riots will pass over for the moment and other aspects of the coronapanic will take up more space here.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Dude, dude – get it right, BLACK people are also dying as a result of what BLM are doing, or think they’re doing, or think they’re not doing…..
 
Let’s be honest nobody really knows what their aim actually is besides trashing shit and calling people racist.
 
I’d be all for a BLM ‘Movement’ that actually laid out a series of achievable, realistic aims with a view to eliminating ‘systemic racism’ (a debate as to what that is and what it actually means would have to be included in the setting of these aims). But….. What do they want? How do they hope to achieve it? Does anybody actually KNOW?

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

I mean jesus at least a lockdown protest has a point. It’s self-explanatory.
 
“Defeat racism”….. OK, how? How does burning someone’s business down or graffiting a statue defeat racism? If anything it just makes it worse.

TheyFoughtForOurFreedom
TheyFoughtForOurFreedom
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Don’t you think that if it weren’t for this barbaric lockdown any protest would be smaller, many of those who paticipated in these ones would be at work or out elsewhere. And less violent, people who hadn’t been driven into rage by lockdown would be less desperate to hurt someone and/or smash something? The BLM protesters won’t admit it, they probably don’t recognise it, but the lockdown is why they’re protesting so hard and in such numbers. maybe they should protest it!!!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

“while”, not “white”!
 
🙂 it’s an easy misread in the current climate, I know…

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

OMG, lol – can you tell I’m not wearing my glasses.
 
Freudian slip? ;oP

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

🙂 NP.
 
Only slightly concerning because it suggests you might believe the self-serving smears of the likes of concrete68 that I’m some sort of closet skinhead.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

My lizard brain palpated for a second. 😉

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).
 
From: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

So they are mixed nuts then.
 
Funny how ‘anti-racism’ metastatises into agitation for every other social justice tenet.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

“If you are genuinely not racist then cut the jokes about George floyd because they certainly make you look as though you are.”
 
Is black humour inherently a racist trait then? Is it because you think they are insufficiently respectful, because they don’t preserve the false media image you prefer?
 
So in response to a dishonest media pretence that a killing victim was some kind of saint, in order to justify raising outrage about his death, pointing out the truth via humour is “racist” for you?
 
Is truth that you don’t like always “racist” for you?
 
This was what Reuters, in open dishonesty, reported about him:
 
George Floyd, a ‘gentle giant,’ remembered in hometown Houston march 
But he was convicted of armed robbery when he shoved a gun in the stomach of a pregnant woman in her own house. He was a regular drug user who was high on fentanyl at the time he died. He was absolutely not a “gentle giant”.
 
Would you prefer to protect the lies?
 
If the media didn’t push a self-serving lying false image for political manipulation purposes, then people might be less inclined to show disrespect in… Read more »

Cruella
Cruella
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Would you only feel his death was unacceptable if he was a faultless, non criminal. Would he have been being arrested if he was? I think you’re missing the point. Namely, that law enforcement cannot be allowed to perpetuate the sames crimes as those they are arresting without due cause. I’m finding all the racist bollocks on here unappetising, please stick to the issue in hand.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

I don’t think anyone is saying that the police should be free to unecessarily kill people that they are trying to arrest, with impunity, just that it’s not accurate to portray this instance of possible police brutality, incompetence or worse as sign of or part of a systematic racist murdering of blacks by police. I don’t know if that meets your description of “racist bollocks”, but I hope not.
 
A number of people on here, including the person who pays for these comments to be hosted, have made the point that they feel the “issue in hand” and the BLM business are related, and have set out why they think that – if you don’t think there is a link you are free to ingore those posts or try to argue why the two things are not connected.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

There is no racism here, like concrete you are seeing in mere political dissent from the opinions you assume to be the only acceptable ones, a motivation that you are imputing in order to try to delegitimise those opinions.
 
I certainly did not say or imply that his death was acceptable. That’s a straw man you have raised to try to discredit the argument you choose not to address which I actually made, which was that the media misrepresentation of his nature and activities was dishonest and manipulative and needs to be challenged.
 
Are you ignorant of that dishonesty or do you regard it as unacceptably “racist” to question such lies?
 
As for your arrogant insistence that we “stick to the issue in hand”, you can take that up with Toby who chose to draw attention to the dishonesty of BLM and its intimate involvement with the coronapanic in his pieces above the line.
 
As I pointed out to concrete who did the same thing, you seem unable to do what others easily manage, namely to pass over comments that address issues you have no interest in, or to engage constructively with them if you disagree… Read more »

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

First it’s arrogant to keep insisting that you know better than the blog owner what is relevant to lockdown (but you knew that).
 
Second, it’s arrogant to assume that your own personal political concerns take precedent over all others’ So people who feel, say, that anti-vax or anti-China stuff is irrelevant or bad must suck it up, but the things you don’t like are especially to be excluded so you don’t have to feel upset by knowing they are being said somewhere and you can’t get them banned.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’ve spent a lot more time here posting about other aspects of the coronapanic than I have about just the BLM issue. And probably a good part of my posts on BLM are responses to your and others’ attempts’ to exclude the issue.
 
But as I noted, at the moment BLM is big news, while people are dying because of BLM’s race-baiting. In a few days, hopefully it will be gone again.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think the BLM stuff is actually good for the lockdown. It gives the MSM something new to get worked up about and if people are demonstrating that’s better than staying at home.

I haven’t really been following the BLM stuff in the news but racism does exist and nobody should have to apologise for denouncing it.

Perhaps the best thing to draw attention to is how the BAME community will be disproportionately harmed by the lockdown as fewer of them are in cushy white collar jobs that can be done from home.

Cruella
Cruella
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The lady doth protest too much me thinks….

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

Ha! Even better for you – the attempt to defend oneself is in itself evidence of guilt!
 
You antiracist censors really are a big problem. It’s no wonder we can’t have a rational conversation on these issues in our society, when dissent from the Official Truth position is one-sidedly censored out of existence and then the moderates on that side are smeared as breaching the taboo themselves.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Bad taste perhaps, but one man’s bad taste is another’s dark humour, and easy to justify when aimed at systematic lying.And no, it hasn’t been “aimed at a group” and it’s not “racist” just because the target happens to be black.

Victoria
Victoria
6 years ago

Feedback on trip to supermarket this morning: for the first time seen children accompanying their mothers

Invunche
Invunche
6 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I am seeing a lot of mothers out and about with kids and friends.

In general the only people wearing masks and gloves are either middle-aged men that look like they should know better, or the unemployable, who are probably quite confused at this point!

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

For anyone for whom “black lives really matter”, this is the man for whom they should be demonstrating:
 
David Dorn, murdered by looters as a result of BLM inspired riots
 
And this is the man they should be listening to, instead of the BLM race-baiters:
 
DAVID DORN WAS THE END FOR ME 
Unlike BLM, a man who doesn’t blame the deaths on race, doesn’t call for confrontation, violence and hatred in response, doesn’t try to use the death to achieve political goals. Unlike BLM, a man who is addressing the real cause of murders for black people, just as for white people – criminality and failure to take responsibility for one’s own actions, life and well-being.
 
The numbers of blacks killed by US police is tiny compared to the numbers killed by fellow blacks. That’s the issue people who really cared about US blacks would be addressing.
 
Why aren’t they? Because it can’t be used to advance their own political agendas or signal antiracist virtue, to make themselves seem better people than they actually are. It really is as simple as that and those who support BLM rally are as contemptible as that.

Skippy
Skippy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Let them kill each other off. I’d remove all policing from residential zones for a month. The liberals will quickly change their tune

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Skippy

The problem is, as Tucker Carlson iirc pointed out, most of the liberal elites pushing this probably live in safe, gated communities with their own security.
 
And of course, removing police doesn’t mean no enforcement, it means the remodelling of enforcement in structures more amenable to leftist ideological control and deployment.

Skippy
Skippy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Well, by then the have nots will have nothing left to loot or burn down and will pop in to visit those elites in their ivory towers. Minimum pay security aren’t gonna wanna get killed for $15/hr

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The murder of David Dorn is a standing, direct rebuke to the literal idiocy of 2020 Pulitzer Prize Winner Nikole Hannah-Jones at the New York Times, and all those like her pushing these protests: 
 
“Destroying property which can be replaced is not violence”
 
This is what the “non-violence” of destroying property actually means to people who live in the real world, Hannah-Jones, rather than your ivory tower.
 
Tucker Carlson asks: ‘How many more nights like this before no one in America will serve as a police officer?’ 

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Killed on Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, no less.
 
Couldn’t they at least try not to make the ironies pile up alongside the bodies?

ianp
ianp
6 years ago

No. I agree it’s brought out the worst in some people on here (equally extremist that I cannot stand!), but the prevailing mood is that of the hypocrisy and opportunism that the BLM protests –> subsequent riots have brought about. A sensible adult discussion on what the actual facts are needs to be had.
 
I’ll say it again : we are all being manipulated here.
 
Our common ground is freedom of speech, and the end of the ridiculous lockdown and any human distancing.

Steve Hayes
6 years ago

The bishops of England are completely in support of the violation of the right to practise one’s religion. They completely support the official coronavirus narrative. The same bishops completely support the non-social distancing, non-lockdown complying, Black Lives Matter protests. If I were a Christian, I would certainly see this as evidence for a need to change the leaders.

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Better to have none. The church is the congregation, not those who say they lead.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

I an a Christian, and disgust at the bishops’ attitude has died of surfeit.
Heard any of the cowardly crew come out and condemn mob violence on the streets?
No, I thought not.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Have they condemned the inflammatory lie at the root of BLM? No, of course not, though lying is supposedly sinful. I suspect in their hearts they regard it as a “Noble Lie“.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

LOL! Weak.
 
Here, this (black) man has some words directly relevant to you:
 
DAVID DORN WAS THE END FOR ME 

ianp
ianp
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Who cares? Nobody forces anyone to be a Christian do they? Let people believe whatever they want to believe so long as they don’t force it on others.
 
That’s very simple to me
 
Live and let live

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I am not a Christian but I have huge respect and love for the one some called the Nazarene (Yeshua). He wouldn’t have considered himself a Christian and I suspect he would have mocked the structure of the church which has long been a method of control. Separation of church and state was an illusion, they are both there not to serve you but to control you. (PS Budhha wouldn’t have called himself a Buddhist either. These structures come after and often corrupt the original teachings.)

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

I like the image of Jesus portrayed in The Master and Margarita by Bulgakov, in which he is clearly upset at being followed around and having everything he says or does written down by his single apostle.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They are so cowardly, they daren’t even enter their own churches. Maybe the floor would open up and swallow them?
 
The Archbishops of Canterbury and York seemed entirely preoccupied with self image. In an attempt to ‘set a good example’ they squashed the government’s exemptions for clergy and took it upon themselves to ban ministers from even entering their own churches. Did they really believe that a lone minister in a draughty, voluminous building could somehow be part of the chain of transmission?
 
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/02/dominey-jenner-the-church-of-england-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy/
 

Edgar Friendly
Edgar Friendly
6 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

detestable.
 
they must have a lot of time on their hands now there are no choirboys around for them to groom.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

I’d love to see “Rt Revd” Martyn Snow encounter the real George Floyd (when he was alive) alone on a darkened street in the US with no police around. Big, ugly convicted armed robbers drugged up on fentanyl, whether black or white, probably seem a little less saintly face to face in reality, I suspect, than in the breathless fantasies of virtue signalling ivory tower types.
 
They say a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. I suspect a CoE Bishop with unwet trousers and a wallet is one who hasn’t met the people he kneels for.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

No wonder words escape you. It’s beyond abhorrent. Pass the sick bucket!

Steve Hayes
6 years ago
Reply to  smileymiley

I just looked at your link and the bishop is violating the current government guidance. It is a gathering of clearly more than six people. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

The senior Church authorities are very much on one side of politics, and it’s clearly much more important to them than Christianity itself, which they mostly spend their time twisting to support their own agendas.
 
It’s easy to see all the groups who support both the coronapanic and the BLM liars, with the same broad goals and the same propagandist, message-control methods. More interesting (because much less commonplace) would be finding any groups that support one mass manipulation but not the other. There must be some…

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

They have strong links to Common Purpose (see below for Bishop of Worcester). This tells you all you need to know!
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Inge

PaulC
PaulC
6 years ago

I notice over the weekend that the government has graciously allowed us to go back to church for private prayer. When did the right to ‘freedom of religion and worship’ become conditional on government dikdat?
Also somewhat concerning that there is not a squeak of concern from the leadership of the Established Church – hard to think that early church martyrs were prepared to be eaten alive by lions!

Keencook
Keencook
6 years ago

This site is a beacon in the wilderness. The world has gone completely mad.
Thankyou Toby!
Just something that has been puzzling me last 24 hours and was mentioned in a comment yesterday but not picked up.
From front page of Sunday Times “Boris Johnson was warned by Alok Sharma that failure to reopen the hospitality sector in time for the summer could cost up to 3.5 million jobs. Johnson replied “Christ!”
The journalist (Tim Shipman) used an exclamation mark. So as a reader I might have preferred some context……..
 
Was the PM surprised by the sheer number & size of the hospitality sector or was he surprised because he didn’t know (please someone tell me he did because he really really should know these things)
 
Was I (as a reader) meant to think this?
 
Can anyone reassure me that someone competent in charge knows that tanking the economy on the basis that people might die is a real problem for everyone and we are not living in a parallel universe where someone pays the population to stay at home permanently?
 

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Keencook

I’m really not sure that anyone can reassure you that anyone competent is in charge, I’m afraid, no.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Keencook, sadly I agree with Matt.
Other newspapers have reported that Bojo was “surprised” when told of the number of imminent redundances.
They really are on their own planet, divorced from reality.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Keencook

Plausible deniability?

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