How much protection do the vaccines provide against severe Covid? Some people claim that getting vaccinated reduces your risk of death by as much as 90%. They point to charts showing massive disparities in hospitalisation and death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
However, these crude comparisons may overstate vaccine effectiveness. A study published last year by the U.S. CDC found that vaccinated people were less likely to die of non-Covid causes, suggesting that they’re inherently healthier and/or more risk averse than unvaccinated people.
This ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect means that part of the disparity in death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is due to factors other than vaccination. So even if currently-unvaccinated people got vaccinated, they’d still die from Covid at higher rates than currently-vaccinated people.
Now, I’m not claiming that all or even most of the disparity in death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is due to the ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect. I’m simply claiming that crude comparisons overstate vaccine effectiveness – which is probably less than 90%.
Okay, but is there any evidence for this form of ‘selection bias’ – as it’s known in the jargon – other than the CDC study? Yes: the ONS documented the very same phenomenon in a report published last year. See the table below, which shows age-standardised mortality rates by vaccination status:
Looking at the second column, unvaccinated people have a higher non-Covid death rate than all four groups of vaccinated people.
Note, however, that the ratios in the first column are substantially greater than those in the second column. This implies that the ‘healthy vaccinee’ cannot explain all or even most of the disparity in Covid death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
On the other hand, the ratios would presumably be smaller if the comparison were restricted to vaccinated people who’d received their second dose more than, say, six months ago. We know that vaccine effectiveness wanes over time – for both infection and serious illness.
The ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect turned up again in a study published in Science. Barbara Cohn and colleagues analysed a large dataset on U.S. veterans, and found that survival rates among over 65s were higher among vaccinated individuals who tested positive than among unvaccinated individuals who tested negative:
Note: the left-hand chart corresponds to those aged under 65; the right-hand chart to those aged over 65. The researchers did acknowledge that selection bias may have impacted their results, writing:
Patterns of survival for those with a negative PCR test by vaccination status suggests there are underlying differences in unvaccinated compared to vaccinated persons, and that we did not measure or account for in our analysis; these differences may contribute to the different risks of death we observed.
There’s now fairly robust evidence for the ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect, at least in Britain and the U.S. The next step would be estimating how much of the disparity in death rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated it can account for. Hopefully someone with the requisite data will attempt this soon enough.
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A few brave men, Sir Christopher Chope is one of the good guys.
No.
Sorry, this is bollox…….everyone except care workers took a jab of their own free will.
Those who fell for the bullying, bribery, bullshitting and browbeating did so because they wanted to, or were weak or thought some other benefit might accrue.
Anybody who was genuinely coerced could be compensated by the agencies, companies that coerced them.
The public purse should not be used to compensate those who took it because of their own free will/choice.
In lieu of the fact that the jabs gained approval by fraudulent means – as the release of the FDA’s documents clearly shows……..then Pfizer need to pay the compensation.
Tempted to agree with this. I’m one of those who caught Covid early doors, and whilst it was a bit crap for a few days (and long before the jab) I thought, ‘well, that’s it. I’m immune now.’ My wife and 2 of my 3 daughters are all un-jabbed. The youngest got it done because she travels a lot. We were still fuming after she got it done, but thankfully, she’s still ok. However, on the point of your post, I agree that people were incredibly stupid to fall for it.
Disagree….a lot, especially those <40 are more trusting of what their govt and medics say, they also lack ‘historical ‘ perspective, not having read/ seen news reports from previous despotic regimes in different parts of the world. That despotic regime is now the UK govt apart from a few prepared to put principles before perks.
You didn’t catch Covid – you caught a cold or seasonal flu.
Why use TPTB’s rhetoric which alibis their propaganda?
There needs an inquiry into the pressures put onto people to become vaccinated.
As documented in ‘State of Fear’.
I think this is unfair. I know many people who honestly and sincerely thought they were doing a public good. Admittedly, some others were just selfish and thought they were getting protection ahead of others. The government and other officials constantly pressurised the public. I had many emails, text messages and even phone calls to persuade me to get vaccinated myself. The government should take first responsibility. They were responsible for stoking up the fear. If (and it may be a big if) the government honestly believed the vaccines were both safe and effective, then they have course of action against those who, maybe, fraudulently mislead them.
Yes, quite – unprecedented levels of harassment from various bits of the NHS (NHS England and the GP practice). I’m a stubborn bugger and was never going to back down, but it’s not surprising that many succumbed, and I don’t think it’s fair to criticise them given the level of pressure and disinformation which they were subjected to.
Didn’t Gove say something along the lines of, ‘doors will be closed to you if you don’t get it’.
…and Johnson said last autumn, pre booster roll out, that it will ” make life easier for you.”
These are the people we need to put on trial. But we won’t. We just keep voting them in. Therefore we have ourselves to blame. Anyone who took the jab has to own that decision. We are now seeing strong evidence on the vaccine being shedded to the mon vaccinated. The careless ignorance of those who wanted to abrogate their responsibility are now causing sickness in the unvaccinated.
If the studies are proven to be correct it seems to me that there is a lot of responsibility to be laid at the feet of those who selfishly discarded their principles. We can discuss to the cows come home about their fearfullness but it doesn’t take away the crux of the issue. Everyone has a choice whether or not to take a vaccination or a flu jab. Those who exercised that choice have to take responsibility for their own outcome.
He did and he now looks as though drug addiction has taken hold. Which drug is debatable
Give will say anything as little by as he has had a snifter.
And Blair said those who refused it were stupid.
But we all know what happened in USSR during their 1917 revolution and much closer to home we all know what happened in 1930/40 Germany. There really is no excuse for allowing history to keep repeating and claiming you didn’t know. Why on earth was the Nuremburg Law passed that stated there will never again be an excuse for people to say ‘they didn’t know, they were must following orders’. If the public abrogate their responsibility to look after their own health and question everything that goes into their own body, they have no excuse to demand any form of compensation. Why should those who have been so careful, so thorough and so inquisitive pay for the folly of others. That is not fair and lessons will never be learned
I had just one phone call from my GP, with whom I’ve always got along well. On this occasion, however, she became incredibly frustrated with my absolute refusal to agree to the jab, and with my well-researched reasons for refusal. Even my brother’s return to epileptic seizures after a long time free of them didn’t move her.She tutted and sighed and finally gave up when I declared that I would rather be euthanised than have a jab which could disable me for life, as it has my nephew and one of my friends.
My nephew, of whom I’ve spoken on here before, has recently had his fourth stroke and is now wheelchair-bound. I no longer recognise him as the man he was. His parents have taken him out to their home in Cyprus, where he is to receive prompt and caring investigation and treatment, for which they must pay. The NHS here don’t give a toss and his GP continues to deny causal links with the vaccine. I hate them all, what they’ve collectively done is beyond forgiveness. I’ve never felt so vicious towards authority in my life.
‘Sorry, this is bollox…….everyone except care workers took a jab of their own free will.’
The government invested colossal sums of taxpayer money in order to induce a state of fear in the population, the propaganda programme was then used to discredit any existing treatment and to push the warp speed clot shots as the only possible solutions.
Perfectly qualified critics were ruthlessly suppressed to push conformity.
The general public are victims of the government and their propaganda machine.
It’s quite irritating reading pieces such as this where whilst agreeing with the premise in general this notion of ‘doing the right thing’ was actually for many, a choice in truth, albeit as a result of threats and/or pressure…and turns out to be the absolutely wrong and unnecessary thing. I agree the pharmas who profited from it must be made to foot the compensation bill….
I tend to agree with this. It sounds as though we are callous. However, there were very many voices calling out this vaccine from the beginning. There were also very many voices calling out Covid and asking for debate. If society wishes to have freedom of choice then those voices should have been listened to and the public should have talked to their neighbours instead of ostracising those who were asking questions.
You sow what you reap and anyone who chose to follow the bullying and ostracisation of their neighbours, friends and families has to bear the consequences of their choices.
However, there is also the very real dilemma of what to be done with a Civil Service, Health Care System and Judiciary who threw away their oaths to protect those they serve. If we are to ask the vaccinated to own their decisions then we must punish those who wantonly broke faith and law. All the quangos, advising bodies and faux experts need to be executed for such treachery. Will we be strong enough to do this in order to treat all fairly to stop this ever happening again. By reading history we will not and because we don’t history keeps rhyming.
Many of them had “free will” in the same way a battered wife has free will.
The Government used exactly the same techniques to coerce people to be jabbed and basically removed their autonomy.
There was coercion on an industrial scale!
To say people acted out of free will is stretching things to the point of incredulity!
That’s a bit harsh. People, especially older folk, SHOULD be able to trust their government. The internet as an easy means of communication and research hasn’t been around that long, and many older people still don’t have a computer. When you’ve felt able to trust those you’ve elected to look after your interests for most of your life, it’s not so easy to see into the murky world of modern politics, in particular to see and accept that you are viewed with utter contempt by governments of all colours.
For the young it’s a different matter – the information is out there within easy reach and ignorance is no excuse.
Absolutely agree with last two paragraphs. Let’s break the backs of these fraudulent Big Pharma companies and make them pay compensation until they are bankrupt.
To quote a famous former tennis player “You cannot be serious”
Since when has offering yourself up for slaughter during peace time been ‘the right thing’?
Add in the fact that they’re aren’t blooming vaccines.
Yes thank you for pointing that out, it really jarred in an otherwise good speech.
Yes, I agree. The words immediately jumped out at me.
It is excellent that at least someone is speaking out on the matter, but we need to stop acting like it was okay to mislead, cajole, pressure, coerce, push and vilify people into getting an unknown, barely tested, experimental vaxx and shamelessly calling it ‘the right thing’. The people rolling up their sleeves may have thought they were doing the right thing, but by using that phrase,
the drug pushersthe establishment, who were trying to find a quick way out of the mess they had made, absolve themselves as well – “we only did what we thought was right”.The obvious and outrageous failure of these expensive and flawed jabs must be highlighted over and over, in order to ensure that never again are people subjected to such a flagrant and vile assault on bodilily autonomy. And worse, one they insist on repeating as many times as they can get away with.
Didn’t a certain pope call it an “act of love”??? The vile-ness is off the scale.
I wonder what “act of love” a celibate priest truly understands?
A look in any gay bar near the Vatican will show the whole gamut of possible versions enjoyed by the priesthood.
Of all the things I have to take issue with, framing the taking of the jab as “doing the right thing” isn’t top of my list.
In a way, it might not be a bad thing. It conjures up a sense of wartime sacrifice which to me implies an extraordinary and unusual circumstance.
I think it might be quite good that taking the jab is seen a bit like braving the blitz. You had to do your bit, take it on the chin and carry on. It’s a subtle way of acknowledging the risk.
And if that narrative takes hold, it should logically follow that it’s not normal, not to be repeated regularly, not something to normalise. It’s a wartime sacrifice and as a society we we haven’t accepted being in a permanent a state of war (at least for now).
If a sacrifice for the country is how they want to frame it, good.
Conscientious objectors were considered traitors that they even objected to war.
Now, there’s not a politician who doesn’t condemn war.
Funny how things work out.
We will be at war with various respiratory viruses come October.
Pharma ProfitWar season is now from October to April every year…To quote a more recent tennis player:
“stick your tournament up your jacksy, I’m not telling you if iv’e been vaccinated or not”.
That fog-horn fascist Malone on GB News asked Bet Turner if she’s had the jab, she refused to answer. I understand why she didn’t answer but I’d just respond with a resounding NO. I suppose some people fear what people think, like voting tory, though I wouldn’t vote for any of the main parties on principle.
He’s using diplomatic language so as to not get shut down entirely. The rest of his statement shows remarkable courage.
Yes – the point I was trying to kind of make.
No good standing on your principles if the act of doing that stops you achieving what you were aiming for in the first place. you have to play the opponent in front of you at their own game.
Or as another good old tory said, ‘taking one for the team’. and that was when someone died FFS!
Agreed.
But I think he is pointing out these people who were injured did what the government was pressurising people to do, without pointing out the risks in advance to them, they got injured, and now the very government who pressured them in the first place isn’t doing the right thing in terms of compensating them. Like any decent government should.
Doing the right thing should be met with doing the right thing – not with what amounts to a giant two fingered salute delivered whilst laughing their heads off – which is what it seems like it is.
GB News stepping up to plate on this story – featured on the last 2 night’s shows by Dan Wootton and Mark Steyn also doing major interview on his programme on this last night.
Keep up the pressure GB News.
They are doing their best. At least something is being done, compared with other news channels – unless one assumes that they are actually doing something for the other side, that is. C Chope actually appeared on GB News, being interviewed by Mark Steyn the other day.
Matt Le Tissier did an excellent interview on Dan Wootton’s show the other evening – landed a LOT of good points – about the MSM being bought off and the government propaganda and concerns about the injections and the harms being caused to young athletes etc – none of which any MSM say BBC or ITN show would have allowed him to say at all. I was very impressed with him as an interviewee, but then I have seen him on other shows and he isn’t exactly what you would describe as the average premier league footballer. Definitely smarter than the average bear!
I think that after what seems to have been some kind of regression GB news has got its mojo back – at least it looks that way. Long may it continue because it is the only evidence I can see in the media where any kind of a fightback is being mounted.
That omission shows that Chope is just another Tory following the party line. All parties allow one of their pack to ‘go rogue’ to re-assure the blue rinse Tories of both genders and sexes, that the Olde England they vote for is safe in the Tory party’s hands.
Chope is just a momentarily licensed con to keep the sheep pens orderly.
Bravo Sir Christopher and shame on your parliamentary colleagues, in particular the so-called Health Minister, the Vaccines Minister, the Speaker, and Wes Streeting.
Encouraging to see this issue being covered by Mark Steyn on GB News too.
I think we may be at the tipping point in news coverage, finally.
Shame about Talk TV though!
The recent behaviour of The Speaker of The House was truly disgusting in dismissing Sir Christopher Chope. Reptile Hoyle will be on the list, a very long list.
Yes he’s on mine.
Bercow is gone, all hail the new King…….
FFS, will they never learn.
Brexit trumps bad behaviour!
On a certain look-up information site, it says Wes Streeting “…grew up in poverty living in a council flat…” Ideally qualified, then, via the NUS.
Nobody has grown up in poverty in this country in the last 70 years and to claim otherwise is absolute BS.
Council estate, Africa style.
Is that central London?
Zahawi should be investigated
Is he still the PUSOS for Covid-19 Vaccine Deployment? That pre-dates his appointment as PUSOS at the DoE.
Sir Christopher appears to be one of a handful of MPs who understand that their role is to hold the Government to account as well as act on behalf of the constituents of the UK.
The response form the Government is nothing short of digesting; whilst people in the UK are suffering from input price increases for food and fuel, caused in large part by inaction or a total lack of appreciation as to what energy and food security means, the Prime Buffoon is swanning around in Sweden in a rowing boat with the Swedish PM. He has given away billions in sterling to a country that is designated as one of the most corrupt in the world, without any reference to the people of these islands.
As Sir Christopher goes on to note in his ConHome article, the amount of money potentially to be offered to people injured by the so-called “vaccines” has not been index linked for inflation since 2007. He also goes on to point out that the threshold for disability under the compensation scheme is very high at 60%, whereas for an industrial injury the threshold is set at 14%.
Why doesn’t the Conservative Party go to the electorate on a manifesto of giving away our sovereign wealth to corrupt dictatorships in Europe (forget the rest of the world to whom we already give away billions on an annual basis) as well as ignoring all injury claims from the “vaccines”? Would anyone vote for that? Certainly not me, yet we have a supine parliament which allows a power-crazed substandard politician to ruin these once great islands.
Could someone not make a case that the vaccine injured are more deserving of the billions of money to be found in the “International Development Fund” (used in one case to fund a lesbian pop group in Nigeria or somesuch in one of the more egregious examples of misapplication), and could we not move some of those funds sideways to ensure that those harmed by the covid jabs are properly compensated, as opposed to “spaffing it up the wall” of some overseas country, possibly with its own space programme?
Chope still votes for every criminal bill that his party puts in front of him. So is he for them or us?
What about those of us who were freelancers and lost a year’s pay? The one’s who got jack shit off Sunak when they closed the economy in our faces and stopped us working.
Where’s our compo?
You are the collateral damage from the greater good of prioritising lives over money.
This is an argument typically put forward by people who didn’t get hit economically.
Who walk their dog wearing a pair of Prada training shoes costing over £600.
(his first name rhymes with fishy in case you don’t know who I am referring to)
The CBDC pusher.
That’s the one.
Whose brother owns enough property to accommodate the channel jumpers he sends the Royal Navy to pick up off Calais and usher onto coaches in Dover, all paid for by us.
Is that a crack I see in the lid of a colossal can of worms?
No, stewart. That’s a tin of spaghetti. MOVE ALONG!
I had bolognese last night. Now I feel ill……….
‘This shows that the Government is really agonising over whether or not to admit that, for some, COVID-19 vaccines have had fatal consequences. This is all the more bizarre when the Yellow Card scheme refers to over 2,000 fatalities,‘ I thank God for Sir Christopher Chope. WHEN will a mass-market newspaper start to act for the people? (Rhetorical question – answers not required.)
Aww I knew the answer to that one!
That made me smile!
‘The consequence of this is apparent from the declining take up of boosters.’
He’s getting near the knuckle. Booster uptake proves declining confidence in these (fraudulent, poisonous) products. Well done -sort of- Sir Christopher. You are officially the one-eyed man in the land of the parliamentary blind.
The clearly visible global failure of covid “vaccination” has blown a hole in ALL vaccination campaigns. “jab hesitancy” is now spilling over into previously accepted vaccination campaigns, and upcoming jabs are also going to suffer.
The media can screech it was a great success – the evidence in front of us says otherwise.
Quite likely. They didn’t think it through, given the possible effect on other health problems if real vaccine products lose their popularity. Maybe the drug trade will understand that calling it a “vaccine”, rather than using another name more in line with it’s functionality, was a major error.
I understand that it would be more difficult to acquire emergency use authorisation (EUA) if it wasn’t called a “vaccine” though.
In my family we would be saying:
“Keep going Sir Christopher, you are doing really well!”
No question you’ll all be voting for Doris and his wonderful schemes to enrich everyone he knows.
Of course the government doesn’t want to admit that: Capital punishment has been abolished in the UK. Hence, the government must not intentionally kill people to further so-called good causes. Not even a few of them. It is said that this happens only rarely. Surely, one in a million would count as rare. Let’s assume someone travelled randomly all accross the UK since December 2020 and killed 67 people for reasons he believed to be good. How would this feature in the press? As rare event that’s not really worth mentioning? Or as dangerous killing spree of an insane serial killer every police force in the country would try to hunt down?
If COVID vaccines can kill, then, everybody who was ever involved with vaccine coercion, no matter at what level, has been complicit in a mass murder campaign. Out of cowardice (the honest ones) or for profit. This can’t be remedied by the government eventually handing out some money to some people, if this ever happens.
“This can’t be remedied by the government eventually handing out some money to some people, if this ever happens.”
No, it can’t – it cannot undo what has been done.
But, why should the families of people who will never work again, or people who have died, have to go hungry because they have no income because their breadwinner suffered harm due to the covid jabs?
Pay off the relatives to make them shut up is just not good enough in this case. Something needs to be done about the people responsible for this, especially the really responsible ones and not just the politicians they were using for cover. That would be all these advisors and experts who really ran the show. Government using more taxpayer money to silently move the skeletons out of the closet while Devi Sridhar (etc) goes on tour to market a book praising her benefactor-of-mankind role and arguing that we absolutely need to do all this again at the earliest possible opportunity, just earlier, more aggressively and for longer, is not a satisfactory outcome.
Come on Chopey, think it through.
Where will this end if you get your way?
If you start to compensate the families of all the dead and injured this will amount to a lot of people.
Then all those absolutely stark raving mad anti vaxxers, who wildly claim that vaccines do indeed kill and injure lots of people, will have additional evidence to point to as they wildly claim vaccines cause lots of harm.
We have to hide the death and harm vaccines cause so that people will take them, you know, to keep them safe from harm.
And don’t forget Chopey these new mRNA vaccines are the future, we are going to be pumping gallons of this new style vaccine slop into the plebs (all the old vaccine patents have run out) so you can’t go around compensating the hundreds of thouands killed and injured, it just won’t fly.
My goodness you sound just like someone famous Mr Tea, someone with a mop of blond poorly cut hair, with a very posho accent…
Zero people have been injured by a covid vaccine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796
Think carefully about what he posted.
Because they are not vaccines. I see what you’re doing.
It is intolerable that the Government is failing those people who did the right thing, were vaccinated, but then suffered serious harm or bereavement as a result.
May be, given initial evidence of vaccine injury, the right thing to do was to boycott the vaccine!
They still have their heads in the sand pretending the jab was beneficial and didn’t cause harm.
“those people who did the right thing, were vaccinated, but then suffered serious harm or bereavement as a result.”
Another one foot in, one foot out sort of chap, although he is trying at least.
Instead of playing the game on their terms, just call them all lying murderers to their faces, and let social media grow and carry that wave of anger from the millions of people who want these scumbags dealt with. We’re tired of waiting for justice.
Anyone who promoted the jabs is an accessory to murder and needs to be punished, they are not in denial, they are lying.
People have been screaming the dangers since before the jabs even rolled out, were we all just making a lucky guess? No, the agenda is right there in open view if only people would see it.
Its a pity June Raine of the MHRA and the UKHSA are still in comfortable denial. She claims that the numbers claiming vaccine injury are tiny compared to the millions vaxxed. She omits the fact that barely ANY one was informed of the full possible side effects before giving consent to be jabbed. This is NOT informed consent because this SHOULD have been known before administering the jabs, which we all know were experimental! She also seems dismissive of the fact that hardly ANY one was made aware of the Yellow Card Reporting Scheme in the initial months of jab rollout! Everyone I know or I have spoken to about their jabs, were totally unaware of this!
She claims that the numbers claiming vaccine injury are tiny compared to the millions vaxxed.
That’s factually accurate. Her (implied) claim is that this would be ok. And it decidedly isn’t. There’s not even a need for a fancy argument here. The usual COVID logic is that everything is justified if it saves just one live. Hence, no amount of people put to death via COVID vaccine injection is acceptable and “But I’m not afraid of that!” is not a valid defense, just a sign of a serious lack of moral fibre: Always eager for others to take risks on my behalf. Me, rather not so much!
BBC was trumpeting that very line yesterday and proclaiming the jabs to be very safe, because MHRA says so.
Government gave similar comment to GB News for its injection damage story.
Savage Jabber wouldn’t talk to Steyn, they will just give a statement apparently.
A suited coward, yellow streaked and without empathy.
Sir Christopher Chope’s job is going to get a lot bigger, very quickly.
I hope he has good security people around him. Seriously.
Look at what happened to Sir David Ames.
“I hope he has good security people around him.”
I hope he doesn’t.
When they say the government should compensate they presumably mean the taxpayers
Why should I pay money to some who was stupid enough to take the poison?
There is that argument. After all, we did warn people as best we could.
No….that is unsympathetic to those who had no reason to distrust what the government and msm and a variety of health ‘professionals’ were telling them. ‘We’ couldn’t warn everyone, and how do you warn the young ( <30) and the generation naive of government corruption, or, the history of totalitarianism?
It is disappointing to read this “serves people right” line.
The Government always seem to fail those who ‘do the right thing’. Just as British citizens are currently last in the queue behind the entire world and his dog for social housing or the sole traders been pursued by HMRC for a couple of hundred quid in missed tax whilst crooks got away with billions…. I could go on
Never willingly put yourself in the position where you depend on the Government, for anything, is not the worst mantra for a happy life.
Social housing, Africa style.
Just one question, are the government still pushing these pernicious toxins?
Sorry, another question which I have asked before and to my knowledge have not seen a reply. Blood or donated organs, I’m assuming there’ll be contaminated, of course they will, I didn’t really need to ask.
Yes these scumbags are, indeed i just got yet another nhs text only this morning reminding me to get my C19 “vaccinations”. Am looking forward to hearing from them on my phone…
NUJ rules are still in place for our fearless and truthful press. They won’t write anything that challenges the “safe and effective” tosh.
Why should I as a taxpayer pay money to these injured morons
Ditch the compo scheme, let this serve as a warning to others
Let them sue big pharma if they want money. The indemnity is not worth the paper it is written on
Never mind individuals suing pharma, our government ought to be going after them for every penny they have.
“But we’ll have no medicines”
I know chemist’s (real chemist’s, not pharmacist’s) who could knock up batches of most drugs for peanuts.
Sir Christopher, repeat after me:
“All Covid vaccines are safe and effective,
All claimed injuries from them are simply coincidences,
Any doctor suggesting any connection will be struck off,
Any MP rocking the boat will be de-selected by his local party.”
NOW do you understand?
From little acorns.
Anti war was fringe in the 60’s.
Anti plastic was fringe in the 70’s
Anti car was fringe in the 80’s
Anti GMO was fringe in the 90’s
Anti AI was fringe in the 2000’s
Anti green was fringe in the 2010’s
Antivaxx is fringe right now – Not for long.
Of course the government doesn’t want to compensate its victims. It’s not about the money (they’ve shamelessly wasted vast amounts already) it’s about maintaining the lie that vaccines are completely safe. That’s the problem with lies; you have to constantly endeavour to conceal the truth.
And the BBC can’t either, they were facilitators.
They’re gonna need a bigger boat.
Mark Steyn on GB News is interviewing vaccine-damaged people every day now.
The stories of injuries suffered and lives ruined are heartbreaking.
I’m proud to call myself an Anti-Vaxxer now.
I no longer trust vaccines or any medical professionals.
Even most doctors don’t know how these ‘vaccines’ work.
And we now know that they don’t work and are harmful.
I hope he keeps up that pressure. Saw his show last night, but his interviewee wasn’t very good unfortunately.
With a bit of luck more people might stumble across this and get their eyes opened. Shame it is unlikely to be my family – “why would I want to watch GB News?”
The day before he interviewed a local BBC Radio host. Not a bad interview,
The damage they have done no money could restore. To take the beauty from life and leave us desolate and doomladen. They had their monent and their bitter harvest experiment. The real horror hasn’t even started yet. When it does they will regret selling their birthright for a mess of pottage.
650 MPs voted for Lockdown. Where are the apologies?
Oh look, a ginger pussy. Oh look, cake gate, curry gate!
even though not surprising it was still disturbing to watch as all the supposed safeguards in place just fell away in 2020, from parliament, police and the courts and as a result many liberties etc were considered null and void. George carlin was correct when he stated “there is no such thing as rights, there not rights if they can be taken away”
At my meeting with the Minister, I asked her whether the Government agreed that some people had died as a direct result of having received COVID-19 vaccines. Much to my surprise, she could not answer that question, and requested more time in which to do so in writing. She promised such a response within 14 days, but told me this week that she
will respond to me “shortly”.
what an absolute farce that is.
What has become really clear over the last two years is that there are an awful lot of not very bright and very gullible people in society and to top it all having very little self respect. Granted there are exceptions to this negative comment as some are too young and old to comprehend. Some have learning difficulties etc. The rest, sorry to be harsh but plain stupid allowing themselves to be brainwashed and taken in by a complete fraud and now they will pay the biggest price of all with their future health and possibly life.
Apparently, the most-highly educated people, those with PhDs, have been highly unwilling to take these Covid ‘vaccines’.
The managerial class, however, although theoretically smart, were quite gullible in believing in the fake pandemic and the fake vaccines.
Even most doctors took the jabs!
Most doctors are totally clueless about mRNA ‘vaccines’.
Remove the no liability clause from the snake oil producer immediately. Then send the claims already in the system to June Raine and her utterly useless MHRA. Strip her of all assets (including pension) to pay for damages caused as she is no better than a common drug dealer. Then move onto everyone in SAGE, politicians like Handjob, Javid etc until the pot has some substance. Then work your way through the SERCO, the Media outlets and everyone connected with this EVIL crime against humanity. Whilst your at it withdraw from the WHO, GAVI and then NATO to save more money for compensation
“who did the right thing” sorry Mr Chop that is just another lie
Perhaps Maggie Throup should liaise with the MHRA.
The MHRA knew full well there would be high volumes of ADR’s due to the jabs, as they contracted Genpact U.K. to create an AI software tool in 2020:
‘The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool to process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs’ reaction text are missed.’
https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0
and:
https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/emea/uk-use-ai-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects
One decent egg amongst a raft of bad ones. Well done Sir!
Bill Gates thinks we’re all dumb enough to lockdown again and take more jabs the next time he invents a pandemic.
While I feel genuinely sorry for the people whose lives have been adversely affected – or taken – due to the jabs, they absolutely did not do ‘the right thing’.
They did a silly, ill-thought out thing unless massively coerced eg they would lose their livelihood. The evidence was there to be seen. AND they called us all manner of names for trying to warn them. Well – many of them did, anyway.
They did NOT do ‘the right thing’- WE did ‘the right thing’ in trying to alert them and we got no thanks for it – we were called names and more. The media very definitely did ‘the wrong thing’ in supressing the facts.
But the facts were there for those who wanted to hear or who were paying attention.
All the people responsible “agonizing” over sorting this out. Substitute finding a way to run for the hills to avoid responsibility.
Fools and cowards all.
As for the sheep who believed the crap, they also bear responsibility for their desicisions but obviously can’t admit they were wrong.
Sir Christopher’s name can be added to a very short list of decent, honourable MPs who have held the Government to account for their disastrous Covid policy.
Sir Charles Walker heads the list, Steve Baker features prominently, as does Sir Desmond Swayne and Marcus Fysh.
All the decent MPs are on the back-benches.
Plus Lord Frost
Get your booster will become their downfall. The whole government cabal tried to ensure everyone took the jab, threatening people they would be excluded from society. They did this for power and greed, nothing else, at the behest of Pfizer et al. The Pfizer contracts should be published, Pfizer execs should be in the doc , exposing the government.
Why is no one waving the documents which Pfizer wanted kept secret for 75 years, but which a US court ordered to be released, which showed Pfizer had misled the FDA and knew their injections were not safe, under the government’s nose in parliament or in the media.
WE have all seen those documents on here, they are genuine, probably about the only certified as genuine documents which have been released for the last 2 years. If we can see them why does MSM not read them and report them?
Whilst not absolving the Government in any way for its coercive policy, the onus is on any individual to (a) research the efficacy of the vaccine they are thinking of having (b) to assess their personal risk profile and (c) assess their personal circs.
I did all 3 and chose not to have the jabs. No coercive tactics worked on me, or were ever going to.
The old and the not-so-bright were ill-equipped to deal with the massive propaganda assaulting them from all directions.
I think this psy-op is unprecedented in my lifetime.
Yes, and while I made the same choice as yourself, it appears to me that it is a nasty legal issue for those who accepted the offer, almost certainly without proper consultation and so on. In the past, I have been involved in a compensation claim against someone who caused a serious injury, and I’m familiar with the duration and complexity of such actions. It was successful (financially) in that case, after about 4 years, when we won in the County Court.
It appears to me that the Gov’s compensation scheme is cheap and nasty for many. It might be wise for some to seek appropriate legal advice from an experienced solicitor on this kind of claim for damages. Apart from my personal history, in the past I knew others who successfully sued an NHS hosp for damage to their child, and it is a fact that they have a pot of cash in hand to settle up on issues like that. No doubt there will be a debate about who or what is culpable, but it’s a long route ahead before it’s sorted out.
I have numerous neighbours, bridge and bowls friends and others who have been injured by the experimental biologicals, sepsis, RSV, serious lung infections, atrial fibrillation, racing heart, heart attack, multiple cases of cancer (lung, pancreas, ovarian, breast, colon), unsteadiness, generalised weakness, severe back pain causing inability to perform activities of daily living, blood clots and quite a few strokes. As a nurse practitioner (retired) I feel qualified to connect the dots. It does not bode well for those who took at least three of these experimental biologicals based on what we are all witnessing.
Compensation via a special extra tax levied on only the ‘vaccinated’, why should the sensible ‘un-vaxxed’ pay for the mistakes of others that they themselves purposefully avoided?
Why should the community pay for this massive medical blunder by the government? Government health officials and their institutions have failed the public to a catastrophic degree. Let them bleed and confiscate all their property. If that is not enough, Big Pharma should cough up, but they have received legal immunity from the government via the vaccine purchase agreements. So if they are sued by an injured person, they will simply turn to the government to reimburse them. If the government instead gets sued and seeks reimbursement from Big Pharma, the immunity will be used again to avoid payment. The way to break through these legal defences is to show that Big Pharma knew their vaccines were dangerous. Here the recent leaks from the vaccine trials will prove useful. Except of course if Big Pharma can show that they informed government of these dangers before vaccination began and government went ahead anyway in their desperation to get out of the disastrous lockdowns (that they themselves imposed). In that scenario the taxpayers will still foot the bill of all the vaccine injured. I find it highly suspicious that Chope goes striaght for the final scenario, skipping the parts where an attempt is made to get Big Pharma to pay for the mess.