Only three of the top 27 U.K. universities have decided to stop bending to fear (or, perhaps, financial pressure) and to focus instead on proper education by returning to full in-person teaching this term. The other 24 say they have opted for a ‘blended’ approach which will include students ‘attending’ lectures online. The Times has the story.
The universities of Sheffield, Sussex and Southampton expect to return to in-person studies, with students expected to be on campus from the beginning of the academic year. …
The University of Sheffield has told students that they are “expected to attend in person, on campus, from the start date of your studies”, while Southampton said it would conduct all teaching “in-person and on campus”.
Sussex is planning for large lectures to go ahead in person, with alternatives available to students who cannot come to campus because of travel restrictions. The majority, including Oxford and Cambridge, will hold smaller group sessions such as seminars in person but larger lectures will remain online. …
Students overwhelmingly believe that the move online has affected their education, according to the latest monthly survey by the Office for National Statistics, conducted in June.
More than 60% of students who were in higher education before the pandemic said the lack of face-to-face learning had a major or moderate impact on the quality of their course. …
Hillary Gyebi-Ababio, the Vice-President for Higher Education at the National Union of Students, said she was concerned that some universities could be using online learning as a way to cut the costs of running lectures.
“Nothing can replace the ability to socialise with and learn from your peers, or to engage with face-to-face, interactive teaching and learning and to have a full campus life,” she said.
Some universities are keeping lectures online so they can continue to increase their intake of students, particularly those from overseas, a source at a sector think tank said. “If you don’t have to worry about accommodating people or about the size of lecture theatres, how big can they get before it’s an outrage? You’re not even paying for the cinema at this point, you’re paying for Netflix,” the source said.
A record number of U.K. candidates secured a place at university this year, with 448,080 students expecting to start degree courses from next week, up from 441,720 last year.
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This might be the pin that bursts the bubble of higher ‘education’.
Silver linings etc.
No silver lining at all. Just a retreat to the caves.
… as the ‘Jerk’ foreshadows.
I’ve made the same point or asked the same question: Why are so many parents adamant that their children should be educated by such people?
Too many young people trust the media
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The evil loons in the government and SAGE opened Pandora’s Box and they wouldn’t know how to get it closed again even if they wanted to. They’ve wrecked large portions of civilisation for decades at least and given a license for people to use covid as an excuse for all sorts of crap they could not have got away with before.
Where do these university lecturers go shopping? Aren’t all of the supermarkets full of ‘The Virus’??!!
A lot of lecturers and academics are doing to be unemployed soon. Their work outsourced to a much smaller number of much more capable academics worldwide who will deliver lectures online.
Having watched jobs in my industry, IT, being outsourced wholesale to the developing world and no-one in the “professions” giving a toss, I won’t be mourning the loss of these jobs.
There are too many universities in the UK in any case, churning out third rate graduates with third rate degrees in subjects with no value in the real world, consigning said graduates to menial work or unemployment and a sizeable burden of debt.
Sour grapes won’t solve these problems. It would take someone in It to come up with that bollocks about on-line teaching – straight into the trap.
I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with using online options to improve the overall offering, and deliver it with a reasonable combination of efficiency and quality. So if things are pushed a little in that direction, it’s arguably not all bad. Trouble is, the wrong things will probably end up getting done for the wrong reasons.
In my firm, we’re working from home a lot more than we used to before covid and I think on balance it’s an improvement – and I say that grudgingly because I hate to admit anything good could have come of the panic. But we’ve hopefully used it as a catalyst to make better use of time and technology.
If the online learning in unis is being done as naked cost-saving, or pandering to lazy or politicised or terrorised staff, I would agree it’s far from ideal.
“I don’t think there’s anything fundamentally wrong with using online options to improve the overall offering”
Nor do I. Where appropriate. But it’s an adjunct – not a substitute.
And I would fully support real flexible working – but that is different from teaching and learning, and also cannot replace social interaction.
A close family member is a Fellow at one of those universities. We have had lots of arguments about the pusillanimity of academe, its administration and unions, over this. But he hates the current situation, and not having (different context to undergraduate teaching, where contact is even more vital) even Doc and post-Doc students not being physically present so much.
Yes indeed, where appropriate, and the current climate and the context in which this is being done doesn’t bode well.
FWIW my daughter did a year of online lectures and hated it – I think they were done pretty well, to be fair, and I think she learned OK, but she just hated not being in the same room as her coursemates.
… and we’re talking just about lectures. So much more of HE is about growing up and social interaction. I know – I spent too much time on the latter
Oh for sure, she missed out on a year of societies, clubs and socials which she had been passionate about. She made the best of it by seeing people as much as possible, illegally, but it’s not the same.
So – Finger Jerk – what exactly is your problem with that? It’d be interesting to know.
Well I work in an IT dept at a Uni that is (or would like to think it is) one of the other 24 top institutions. I work on an open-plan floor that has desks for 70-80 from various departments and right now…. it’s just me. Two colleagues were in earlier, mind.
Lazy, politicised or terrorized staff isn’t entirely wide of the mark in my observation. In fairness few are genuinely lazy; they’ve just spotted an opportunity to work in a way that’s more convenient for them. Still, a little customer focus wouldn’t go amiss.
My own contact with students is minimal anyway (like who needs that??). Just a couple of days a year. There is a perennial problem here and presumably elsewhere of academics being hired on the strength of their research record, and only grudgingly performing their teaching commitments. A pandemic is as good an excuse as any to beaver away in the backroom on the research which is what you really wanted to do all along.
The union is certainly politicized on the issue, and some academics and support staff too. There have been a few posters up around campus and town indicating what our students think of the uni and its policies and staff around Covid and when I’ve shared photos around my colleagues to draw attention to the dissatisfaction the reaction is invariably dismissive or the subject gets changed.
Fear undoubtedly plays a strong part as well. Uni staff are largely drawn from a demographic that considers the output of the Guardian and the BBC as divine revelation. And though they’re mainly bright and well-educated, questioning orthodoxy is a rarer talent. A minority confide quietly that they can see that it’s all a pile of poo, but the rest stare fearfully over their enormous masks with panic in their eyes. They’ll return to face-to-face working when the students are hosed down with strong disinfectant first. A cynic might point out that most students dowse themselves with strong disinfectant most nights of the week of course, but I jest.
The University sector and those of us who work in it should indeed be careful what we wish for, however some overdue reappraisal of what higher education is for and who it should be pitched at might not be a long term harm for the nation or its young people.
My views are almost certainly not those of my employer
Thanks for the insights
I should have added that at my institution at least, the top brass actually are committed to returning to in-person teaching, or at any rate claim to be. I think they’re being sincere, though perhaps also mindful of the risk that students might very well jump ship to the OU. It’s the UCU and lower grade academicos who are dragging their feet for one reason or another, hence higher management has to move cautiously.
The announced aspiration is to return to more-or-less full face-to-face teaching with some hybrid by late spring next year, but there are interests within HE who will like use any tactic they can to delay that milestone as long as possible. And the Guardianocracy will help them all the way.
As a former OU tutor, I would heartily recommend doing your degree with the OU, if you have to do one at all before Bozo and his fellow devils are sent back to hell, where they belong. The OU is cheaper, offers vastly more individual attention, probably has higher standards, and has four decades’ experience in effective distance learning.
Sadly the OU isn’t cheaper any more. When I did my OU degree fees were a few hundred pounds per module, now they’re several thousand!
Inflation is the real elephant in this room. Inflation in “higher education” is far higher than inflation in most categories. At some point, won’t parents or students start to question if a lifetime of debt is worthy the sticker price of higher education? I think some are starting to work the numbers and question the value of these diplomas. Many more need to do this though.
From purely person experience with my kids, from a purely financial point of view, probably one of them will come out ahead of the game from their degree and one perhaps will lose a little, but then the one that loses probably won’t need to repay all or maybe even any of the loan. If you never earn enough, UK student loans are simply written off by HMG.
But they got other things from the experience. It’s certainly the most cost effective way to educate, in all cases, and maybe for some it’s a waste of time and energy for all concerned and they’d be better off pursuing some other path. I think on balance too many go, at least given the courses they do when they get there.
Girl on the telly this afternoon said she had a degree in jazz dancing.
Degrees in making mud pies are round the corner. Only virtual ones, though.
This would be fine were they willing to agree a corresponding reduction of fees. Which, of course, they won’t be doing. I think they are digging their own graves with this long term as youngsters may as well just get a job and go via the Open University if they want to learn online.
Not sure how fine it is. Universities can only function at current levels because the state underwrites the student “loan” system, which is not really a proper loan but a tax on the better paid graduates, so the state should tell unis they have to open properly, as schools have.
I agree. It is quite bizarre though. The State seems unwilling to tell universities to get back to work. Ditto GPs and ditto schools where the unions basically seem to be running the show. BJ does not seem to have any kind of stomach for a fight with any of them.
“BJ does not seem to have any kind of stomach for a fight with any of them.” I’m not sure what his incentive would be to have such a fight. Until he feels public opinion is turning against him because those services are remaining online, he can leave them be.
Blow Job et al. have created a Frankenstein’s monster that they are both reluctant and unable to control.
But they’ve been very successful in creating psychosis.
“But they’ve been very successful in creating psychosis.” Indeed, the “nudge unit” – sadly anything but incompetent. Every time I see an old boy or an old dear shuffling around our open air market with a mask on it makes me want to go punch SAGE’s lights out.
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It’s not just university lecturers who are doing themselves out of a job, doctors have largely adopted the same hands off approach to work.
US now allows “fully” vaccinated foreign visitors
Especially if they are bringing the “vaccine” proof Delta variant.
Of course this hasn’t stopped universities chartering aircraft to bring over Chinese and other overseas students. These students pay 2.5 times what U.K.students pay.
Oxford = Beijing-on-Thames.
“Private schools ‘pay agents in China up to £10,000 for each pupil they send to the UK’ amid fears British middle class families are being priced out”
“There should be no UK University or Public School places for Chinese citizens until China explains Covid.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9849363/Private-schools-pay-agents-China-10-000-pupil-send-UK.html#comments
Can one even ask this question: How many college students in the UK or America have died “from” COVID? How many have even been hospitalized?
Is there not one statistics professor on any campus in the world who will tell us the probability a healthy college student will die from COVID? And then compare this risk to other health risks?
I took statistics in college and picked up a few nuggets on probabilities. I don’t know why I did this though. It doesn’t matter. Microscopic risks are enough to justify the eradication of basic liberties and freedoms.
“I don’t know why I did this though.”
Well – it gave you a grip on reality. The vast majority have no such anchor.
In the city where I went to university (and lived for a number of years afterwards) there is a large river, and every few years there would be unfortunate cases of pissed students falling in and drowning. I would not be at all surprised if the risk of this happening to the average student is actually higher than the risk of dying from Covid.
Shame on them all, the cowardly bastards.
Fuck university’s just money making crap hope they all go bang.
Wow! Such insight!
“The private and university schooling systems in this country has been focused in profiteering and not educating our own children as a priority for decades.”
Off topic (but is it really?): https://trialsitenews.com/ivermectin-wars-dr-hector-carvallo-versus-the-medical-establishment/
We’re on a fast-track towards Idiocracy. Many of us have been warning for years that TPTB are trying to dumb down our civilisation in order to make us compliant, and thanks to the covid scam, they’re fast-tracking this at a shocking pace.
Elsewhere, there’s talk of BSE making a sudden return in Somerset. This at the same time we’re being told about meat shortages at KFC and Nando’s, etc. At the same time the WEF Great Reset told us we’d stop eating meat and would adopt a new diet of eating bugs.
Lovely, thanks.
BSE, and other prion diseases, are a clear potential threat from the mRNA shots. See Dr. Stephen Fleming’s work for details.
University. The first stop on the middle class gravy train.
How about a class action legal suit against universities that refuse to teach in person classes?
Direct democracy right where it hurts.
Good on those three Unis that are going back to teaching. I hope that they reap the benefits in the future.
The majority of my undergrad and postgrad degree time was spent in the pub with my pals, chasing women and playing rugby. I emerged with the requisite piece of paper saying I had “a degree” which I soon found out was of zero practical use in the work place. The online experience just doesn’t really cut it.
I am losing the will to read these articles. Every single one misses the bigger and more important issue.
This covid hoax was never anything but a reason to destroy the Western world and show the poorer countries what will happen should they step out of line. The majority of virologists and immunologists have been saying this for some time.
When will the daily Sceptic start to look at the elephant in its room and discuss the reasons for the continued propaganda and fear. This country has been in fear since 2014 when Brexit was a real problem to the Globalists. We now have a Government fully determined to change the UK into a third world country. All because the plebs said NO to the increasing greed and corruption of Government and bureaucracy.
I am tired of endless graphs and tables following the line that Covid is real whilst flu and colds have disappeared off the world map. I am tired of hearing that vaccines work when so many are dying like never before after a jab. I am sick of hearing that young people die after ‘a short illness’ which hides the fact they were murdered. The depopulation agenda is not a conspiracy. Please start to address the real issues.
The sceptical segment of the population, itself a small minority, is a “broad church”. You are at one end of that spectrum. For me, I don’t think it’s an overt agenda because I think that would be impossible to cover up on a global scale, but I do believe certain groups stand to gain from the alleged pandemic and are deliberately exaggerating the situation.
I was quite happy to crack on with normal life last year before there was any “vaccine” and so I am incandescent with rage at where we now find ourselves. However I still maintain this is simply the government being manipulated by scientists and / or government taking action out of a sense of “being seen to be doing something”.
Durham was planning to do this before the ‘pandemic’ happened. It had absurd expansion plans that it simply couldn’t meet by cramming even more students into a tiny mediaeval city on a peninsula. The locals were furious and Town/Gown relationships were very bad. Then there was the mismatch between the ‘woke’ aspirations of the university establishment and the reality of the rugger-playing public school boys who make up much of its intake, and the bullying of local working class students, not to mention the pay dispute with the lecturers’ union. Going online was a way of hiding from the conflicts by removing the people. Now the locals are even more furious because their city has been filled with hideous and inappropriate university buildings that may never be fully used. Friends who teach music at Durham can see a serious threat to music as a discipline, as well as to the Anglican choral tradition in the college chapels; but no doubt that is part of the plan.
As with so many things, the virus is being used as an excuse for certain groups to achieve political aims.
What? My Virtue Signalling degree is now online?
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“Even so, a key issue is that the current vaccines block severe disease but do not prevent infection, said Dr. Gregory Poland, a vaccine scientist at the Mayo Clinic. That is because the virus is still capable of replicating in the nose, even among vaccinated people, who can then transmit the disease through tiny, aerosolized droplets”
Reuters – what my free salt water cure stops.
He added that “Current vaccines are great at preventing [CO1] serious infection deep in the lungs, but not at blocking infection in the upper airways. What’s needed is a nasal-spray (vaccine) that would stop the coronavirus from taking hold at all.” – what my free salt water cure does and stops.
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