Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi has said that if a 12-15 year-old wishes to receive the jab and is judged to be “competent” then his or her decision would overrule the parents’ refusal for their child to be vaccinated. The Telegraph has more.
In an interview with Times Radio on Sunday morning, Mr. Zahawi was asked what NHS clinicians could do if a parent says no to their child being vaccinated but the teenager says yes.
He replied: “The NHS is really well practised in this because they’ve been doing school immunisation programmes for a very long time so what you essentially do is make sure that the clinicians discuss this with the parents, with the teenager, and if they are then deemed to be able to make a decision that is competent then that decision will go in the favour of what the teenager decides to do.”
This idea that a 12 year-old can overrule his or her parents in a medical decision is based on the notion of Gillick competence, which derives from a 1985 House of Lords legal judgment (Gillick v West Norfolk and Wisbech Area Health Authority) which provides that children under 16 may be able to consent to their own treatment if they are deemed to have sufficient intelligence, competence and understanding to appreciate fully what the treatment involves.
However, as the U.K. Medical Freedom Alliance (UKMFA) explains in a recent open letter, the judgment in Gillick makes it clear it is to apply only in exceptional cases.
In terms of the applicability of Gillick Competence, this cannot be assumed under current circumstances. Gillick Competence is the principle deriving from the English and Welsh case of Gillick v West Norfolk and Wisbech Area Health Authority [1985] UKHL 7, which provides that children under the age of 16 may be able to consent to their own treatment if they are believed to have enough intelligence, competence and understanding fully to appreciate what is involved in their treatment. The judgment in Gillick makes it clear it is to apply only in exceptional cases:
“No reasonable person could read it as meaning that the doctor’s discretion could ordinarily override parental right. Illustrations are given in the text of exceptional cases in which the doctor may take the ‘most unusual’ course of not consulting the parent. Only in exceptional cases does the guidance contemplate him exercising his clinical judgment without the parent’s knowledge and consent.” (per Lord Scarman at paragraph 181)
It has been stated that:
“The right to decide on competence must not be used as a licence to disregard the wishes of parents whenever the health professional finds it convenient to do so. Health professionals who behave in this way would be failing to discharge their professional responsibilities and could expect to be disciplined by their professional body.”
Yet it is reported that guidance has been circulated to NHS trusts stating that most 12 to 15 year-olds should be deemed “Gillick competent to provide [their] own consent” over jabs.
The UKMFA sets out the general criteria for Gillick Competence:
For a child to even be considered Gillick Competent, they MUST have “a sufficient understanding and intelligence to enable them to comprehend fully what is proposed” and:
1. understand the nature and implications of the decision and the process of implementing that decision;
2. understand the implications of not pursuing the decision;
3. retain the information long enough for the decision-making process to take place;
4. be of sufficient intelligence and maturity to weigh up the information and arrive at a decision; and
5. be able to communicate that decision.
Deciding competence must be decision-specific, child-specific, made with the specific factual context in mind and based on the available evidence. It can only be determined by a medical practitioner who knows the child, not any other personnel administering the vaccines in schools.
Furthermore, following the High Court case of An NHS Trust v A, B, C and A Local Authority [2014] EWHC 1445, Mr. Justice Mosytn also stated the decision of the child must be given freely. He stated: “Dr Ganguly was also clear that the decision that was reached by A was hers alone and was not the product of influence by adults in her family. Dr Ganguly did not detect in her any sign of distress when she set out her position to her.”
The UKMFA suggests that for Covid vaccination free consent is undermined by the huge social pressure to accept vaccination: “Children are often subject to peer pressure from their fellow pupils. Children also look up to their teachers and can be influenced by the media and celebrities.”
The letter considers that no child “would be considered able to consent to the vaccine”, not least because “data regarding long-term safety and risks that would be required for fully informed consent does not yet exist”.
The JCVI appears to agree about the lack of long-term safety and risk data, declining to back jabs for healthy 12-15 year-olds precisely because it cannot be sure of the scale of the unquantified risks:
The committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms but acknowledges that there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms. The margin of benefit, based primarily on a health perspective, is considered too small to support advice on a universal programme of vaccination of otherwise healthy 12 to 15 year-old children at this time. As longer-term data on potential adverse reactions accrue, greater certainty may allow for a reconsideration of the benefits and harms.
The JCVI also accepts that the vaccines do little to prevent transmission, stating: “The committee is of the view that any impact on transmission may be relatively small, given the lower effectiveness of the vaccine against infection with the Delta variant.”
This admission from its own vaccine advisory committee should be fatal for the Government’s plans for vaccine passports, which are entirely premised on the notion that vaccines prevent transmission (and thus that by limiting entry to the vaccinated transmission is avoided). Should be fatal, but won’t be, given that the Government has now shown it doesn’t actually care what the JCVI thinks.
If it wasn’t shocking enough that the Government is to push ahead with vaccinating children despite being told by its advisers that the benefits are too small and the risks too uncertain, it is staggering that doctors and schools are being told that children as young as 12 should be allowed to overrule their parents’ wishes on vaccination. This undermines parental authority over their children and will further erode trust between parents and both schools and doctors. It shows once again that the present Government’s convictions are anything other than conservative.
Stop Press: The UKMFA has sent an urgent email to the four U.K. Chief Medical Officers urging them to heed the advice of the JCVI and not authorise the vaccines for 12-15 year-olds on non-medical grounds.
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“Evidence is the only thing that will change the minds of the health promoters, policy makers and politicians and specifically those who imposed such dreadful measures as lockdowns, face masks, social distancing and compulsory vaccination on huge numbers of the population with such detrimental outcomes.”
My giddy aunt. Does the author really think that the groups he enumerates don’t already know the whole thing was bollocks? It’s the general public we need to convince, not the architects of the scam. Ffs!
tof, I couldn’t agree more. The whole C1984 was a scam from start to finish. Trying to defeat the Scamdemic narrative from a scientific perspective is tantamount to going along with it. As you say it was all complete bollocks.
Dr Watson needs to speak with Dr Mike Yeadon. I doubt Dr Yeadon appreciates being lumped with the “seriously deranged.”
“Then we have the virus deniers, who prefer to be called virus sceptics. These are people who don’t believe that viruses exist and are, in and of themselves, part of a great scientific conspiracy. There is a spectrum of virus sceptics from those who propose some serious and reasonable arguments as to why the viral hypothesis is not correct up to and including the seriously deranged, “
This is not a well considered appraisal by Roger Watson.
I have little idea whether viruses exist or not – I don’t think I am part of a “great scientific conspiracy” – just someone who tries to follow the evidence of my own experience, and evaluates opinions as best I can, bearing in mind that (breaking news) people don’t always tell the truth.
Was it Chickenpox or Measles where kids used to go and have a massive party to spread it about. If viruses don’t exist, how did they spread it around intentionally. I get the change of weather argument when people get colds, either from change or temperature or from catching from others, or both. At the same time I remember reading how during Spanish Flu they tried to infect people with the virus and failed on every attempt.
I don’t remember which it was/is. Maybe both. But I never participated in anything like that.
We now know that a huge proportion of the Spanish Flu dead were killed by bacterial pneumonia in the age before antibiotics had been discovered and produced for pharmaceutical use. The pneumonia problem was due to the use of dirty cloth face masks which acted as an ideal medium for the growth of the bacteria which were then breathed in via the mouth into the lungs.
Covid mask maniacs refused to take note of any of that of course.
And the people most effected by the Spanish Flu were the people in their prime, has anyone explained that one beyond what age groups were inoculated.
I think ‘Dissolving Illusions’ explains that one. Crude vaccinations on young soldiers returning from the trenches was part of the problem. And aspirin as Groudhog has reminded me below.
I read a pretty convincing article on El Gato Malo which said a major factor in the 1918 mortality rate was the over exuberant use and over prescription of the newly released “Aspirin”
Dosage levels were uncertain. People were poisoned. Doctors, for want of anything better to do would shovel in a few more.
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-greatest-lie-told-during-covid
Chickenpox, aye; Measles, nay. Get Cpox while you are young, as it’s much, much worse to contract when older – as I discovered when I was in my 30s
Mike Yeadon has fallen down the rabbit hole so far that he is now blind from the darkness as the “no viruses exist” clowns try to outdo each other with their wild claims.
They have become a laughingstock to those with a modicum of modern virology knowledge trying to fight the tyranny of the Covid plandemic and the dangers of so-called vaccines.
Spouting the nonsense that “viruses do not exist” harms their reputations and the sceptics fight against the global elite control over the masses.
They should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Yeadon seems agitated but so am I. He worked in an industry that has turned out to be a hub of evil. If we’re doling out shame then Yeadon should be close to the end of the queue.
I do appreciate where you are coming from though.
Yes the focus should be on the Globalists and we shouldn’t let this issue of ‘no viruses’ sidestep and distract the focus away from them.
“These are seriously dangerous people”
Compartmentalising opponents, being what the author is arguing against.
“I doubt Dr Yeadon appreciates being lumped with the “seriously deranged”
Indeed. And all of us that identified the Scam at Day 2.
Let us not forget also Prof John Ioannidis, an eminent party, who wrote an official report debunking the Narrative as early as April 2020. IFR no worse than a ‘Flu’.
Further, lest we also forget, the “Four-Ships” data Jan-Apr 2020 including inter alia the Diamond Princess that disproved everything the Guv and their Leaders were saying. They were the ideal ‘petri-dish’ test and were just binned.
Yes because the architects of the scam have all been given gongs and will do it again given half the chance. My bet is War being the next tool for a Police State. They may feel they’ve overplayed their hand with viruses. How is the Mpox going, or should I say Moneypox!
Moneybox.
They overplayed their hand but got away with it.
Then we have the virus deniers, who prefer to be called virus sceptics. These are people who don’t believe that viruses exist and are, in and of themselves, part of a great scientific conspiracy.
They don’t. Show me the purified isolated ‘bat virus’ in the bat. Then show me the same virus ‘mutated’ in a human. Then show me the transmission from human to human.
You can’t. Therefore you are anti-science.
Total illiterate nonsense.
You have no understanding of modern virology.
Dr Roger Watson is right to call out you numpties who harm the cause.
You again rude boy? While I agree with you on this point, I dislike your tone. And your virology qualifications are?
Hear, hear. I bought a copy and have just finished reading it. My main observation about the structure is that it is one of those sequences of articles that it could be more useful to read the last chapter (24) first, then delve into the detail later on. 24 is a good summary of most of the issues.
Incidentally, in that chapter they went into the alleged disappearance of ‘flu for a year or so. Part of this could well have been (as they say) the choice of what to put on the death certificate and how it was done. The late Harold Shipman would have loved it; he might have avoided prison that way.
For the avoidance of doubt, I agree with much of it, and have been sceptical (and wary of the methods used) of the whole affair, and never used the “vaccine” on offer.
The laws relating to Shipman (two Drs signing off death) were removed in 2020. Part of the many tools to enable a Plandemic!
“Take China, the presumed source of COVID-19, where remarkably few people died of the virus and where the emergency centres (equivalent to our ridiculous and never used Nightingale wards) were dismantled within about a month of their erection. Ours were still up over a year later”
It didn’t stop them confining people in high rise flats begging for food and some committing suicide. So why did they do it, experiment?
Possibly because the CCP are devoid of humanity and don’t care two hoots about whether people live or die.
Does our Guvt?
Announcing removal of 10m heating allowances right as the mercury drops.
Officially prescribing Midazolam as ‘palliative care’
Driving our food producers out of business or to suicide.
“Take China, the presumed source of COVID-19, where remarkably few people died of the virus”
Sorry but I can’t take this seriously. We believe China’s statistics do we? Why on earth would we do that? And what does “dying of the virus” mean exactly? And what is “remarkably few”? Few compared to what? To the statistics published in the UK? Based on the alleged presence of something detected by sticking a piece of plastic up your nose, or some “test” administered by unqualified individuals and processed in a “lab” knocked up and getting paid for volume, in someone who happened to die in the same timeframe, who may have had a myriad of health issues? What a load of utter crap.
The authors deal with that issue quite well, albeit without the same words (!). What they did not actually say is that there was a lot of opportunism in some branches of the trade, right down to the junk on offer in many shops for use as “masks” that never worked. Quite a lot of useless items bought by the Gov, as well, quite likely.
The junk was useful in reinforcing the lie that there was a deadly pandemic
And the inside contracts!
You can say that viruses exist or don’t exist because their being is predicated on a biochemical understanding of reality. There is a lot of work being done to show that much of what goes on in the body occurs on a different level. You could even say that a new organ, and perhaps the most important one in terms of understanding od disease has been discovered in the intersitium. It is essentially a watery body within your body that was believed to be largely inert. It was discovered by cancer researchers trying to understand the rapid dynamics of cancer spread. Faster than could be explained by current understanding. It answers a lot: how putting something into your body can affect cells everywhere almost immediately. There are many examples of this kind. We should see human consciousness as in a state of rapid flux. The materialistic reductionist paradigm was something we had to go through in order to ascend to something higher.
Science is solved. Nothing left to discover.
I need a bibliography of books and similar publications by authoritative experts exposing the scamdemic and all who sailed in it.
Any recommendations from DS readers welcome please.
This article appears to suggest one.
The following appears to be another:
The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health (Children’s Health Defense).
Further suggestions most welcome.
Pseudo Pandemic. New Normal Technocracy. By Iain Davis.
Thanks.
Iain Davis
Jacob Nordengard has researched and exposed the influence and agenda of the Rockerfeller foundation which is a significant part of the background to what’s going on, including corruption of medical institutions. I’ve not got his book “Rockerfeller: Controlling the Game” preferring to hear Ivor Cummins’ summaries and presentations on the subject.
IMO as important is the long-standing scams regarding infectious diseases and vaccines. There are many good exposes, including Disolving Illusions, Turtles all the way down, etc. I’ve read enough to question whether there are contagious pathogens or that injecting substances into our muscles can somehow enhance our immune systems, especially with regard to respiratory problems. I’ve learned enough biology from JJ Couey on Gigaohmbiological to know that virology doesn’t make sense and vaccines likely do harm. Not well researched (for obvious vested interest reasons) but there’s evidence in the US that children who are not jabbed have better long term mortality outcomes.
Thanks.
As many suggestions as I can get would be great please.
“Turtles all the way down” I am told is good.
‘Dissolving Illusions’ might also help.
“Rockerfeller: Controlling the Game” also
I hope these authors are acknowledged experts.
I hear Prof John Ioannidis, might be authoritative?
Anu books by him?
Any feedback please?
“There is also the little-known fact — certainly new to me — that the COVID-19 virus was declared to be of low lethality and risk to the general population prior to the day that the first lockdown was imposed. Lockdown, therefore, was imposed with the full knowledge that this was not a dangerous situation. ”
Well I ….. a lowly, semi-retired former Civil Servant, who pays close attention to what is going on and who follows several blogs (one, Raedwald, sadly no longer with us) ….. knew that within a few days of the first lockdown.
So why didn’t you …. a doctor who, we might like to think, asks questions before just accepting the narrative from highly compromised people?
The medical professions cannot be trusted with anything. They practice a small subset of medicine – allopathy – which is dominated by drug industry money – and they exist to match a drug to a diagnosis without regard to many other safe and effective modes of healthcare and disease prevention.
They are well-paid slaves of a corrupt international healthcare industry.
And of course drug therapies are notoriously ineffective in the vast majority of patients as is testified to by the ‘number needed to treat’ which is how many people are given drug which is useless to them and causes unwanted harmful effects [‘side-effects’] for just one patient allegedly to benefit [subject also to ‘side-effects’.]