Depressingly, the Government has decided to press ahead with its plans to introduce vaccine passports for nightclubs and other crowded indoor venues in England from the end of next month in spite of the now overwhelming evidence that being double jabbed doesn’t prevent you catching COVID-19 or passing it on. The Guardian has more.
Downing Street has said the Government will press ahead with plans to introduce vaccine passports for nightclubs and other crowded indoor venues in England from the end of next month.
Boris Johnson’s official spokesperson was asked on Tuesday about reports suggesting ministers could back away from the proposal in the face of objections from Conservative MPs, but said there was no change to the policy.
“We set out broadly our intention to require vaccination for nightclubs and some other settings. We will be coming forward in the coming weeks with detail for that,” he said.
The requirement is meant to come into effect at the end of September and will be based on use of the existing NHS app, which allows users to generate proof of vaccination.
Asked whether the prime minister remained 100% committed to the plan, the spokesperson said: “Yes, there is no change in our position.”
Johnson first put forward the idea in July, days after clubs and other venues were allowed to reopen.
He said: “We are planning to make full vaccination the condition of entry to nightclubs and other venues where large crowds gather. Proof of a negative test will no longer be sufficient.”
At the time, keen to encourage young people to get the jab, the government even refused to deny that pubs and other venues could be included; but Johnson’s spokesperson said there were no plans to expand it to other venues.
Ministers hoped barring vaccine-sceptics from busy nightspots would help to increase vaccine uptake among young people, but the plan prompted a backlash from Conservative backbenchers concerned about the impact on civil liberties.
Labour has also expressed concerns, suggesting a system that included Covid testing alongside vaccination would be a better approach, since fully vaccinated individuals can still catch and pass on the virus.
If Keir Starmer’s party declined to support the vaccine passports plan, the government could face defeat in the House of Commons, with some Conservative rebels suggesting up to 40 colleagues would be willing to vote against it.
Some backbenchers have also suggested they could boycott the Tory party conference in October if vaccination is made a condition of entry.
Worth reading in full.
It beggars belief that the Government wouldn’t, at the very least, allow entry to large indoor venues based on a negative lateral flow test – or an antibody certificate, given how much more effective natural immunity is at preventing infection than vaccine-induced immunity. In addition, the Government hasn’t disclosed how it will address the problem of waning vaccine-induced immunity. Will vaccine passports expire if a double-jabbed person hasn’t had a booster jab?
No doubt Boris and his Health Secretary will claim this incomprehensible, brain-dead decision is based on “the Science”.
Stop Press: Bernie Spofforth has compiled a twitter thread listing all those MPs opposed to vaccine passports.
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‘Will vaccine passports expire if a double-jabbed person hasn’t had a booster jab?’ Spot on:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/covid-19-vaccine-passport-expires-6-months-after-2nd-dose-as-booster-shots-mandated-israeli-officials_3978587.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-09-03&mktids=db7aa8c66db27a1bf486d42994d37292&est=zCG%2FwqHUKGLihmvAu6Kg0r1Osnt4bzu11IfM2wI68MR14yUtR61b4cmoeDV6oI8%3D
What is really chilling is that the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation provides most of the funding of the various quasi-governmental agencies responsible for authorising the use of medicines and medical products, agencies that I until recently thought were government agencies under the oversight of our elected representatives.
Johnson is just following instructions from his master Bill Gates, and the massively well funded Foundations behind him. Total Fascist/Communist control through digital IDs. Doesn’t matter that it makes no sense to anyone with half a brain cell. Establishing a permit system of control is key. That and depopulation, which should please Johnson’s dad as he;s all for that (except when it applies to him and hisextensive family)
Worryingly the Labour MPs which are against them are only concerned that it will discriminate against ethnic minorities not because it is morally completely wrong and turns the country into even more of a police state.
Labour / Conservatives are 2 wings of the same bird working to impose a fascist police state. Youngsters supporting Labour forget that Tony Blair is responsible for the UK pointless (evil) war of terror in Iraq / Afghanistan. We have the same ‘civil servants’ in place who work towards implementing UN / WEF long term projects such as Microsoft ID2020 and vaccine passports (in development years before 2020) no matter what the official regime is.
“The return of schools over the next week could have quite a dramatic effect on infection numbers.”
It’s happened every year for centuries FFS. How can we forget that simple fact?
So, they’ve started the narrative all over again. Afghanistan was the distraction for a
while. Talk about couldn’t make it up!
They’re reporting today’s ‘cases‘ etc. higher than this time last year on propaganda TV today apparently. Keep safe, muzzle, and jab the kids! Anti-Social distance! Eternal Lockdown looms.
WTF…everyone’s been doing all of that for 18 months and virtually everyone has been
jabbed to boot. Why aren’t they asking why? What good has it done? Fuck all good. Even COVIDIOTIC Lockdown jib-jab face knickers wearing zealots must see all this bollox has had worse than no effect whatsoever.
Come on people it’s time to WAKE UP.
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Wakey wakey Toby – At some point soon you have to admit defeat and side with Delingpole. This is nothing to do with incompetence nor health come to that, never has been, never will be.
Digital ID’s = Central Bank Digital Currency = Social Credit System = You will ONLY do what / when the state allows you to do. All under the guise of Health & Climate.
Welcome to the New Normal – You will be OWNED!!!
So the government refuse to hold an opinion or view other than their own, refuse to engage in debate and are ploughing ahead regardless. Labour support them and as one commentator here said this vaxport, or whatever its bloody called, will not stop at nightclubs but will steadily be rolled out to cover just about anything you need to live a life. Meanwhile the general vaccinated populace will lap up the lies, as they have done for the past 18 months, seeing us the unvaccinated as the problem, as enemies of the people, terrorists even. I do wonder, Toby, just what evidence you need to see that is this is not bungling incompetence, like some political episode of the Keystone Cops, this is an assault on all our freedoms, it is the stirrings of tyranny. Good god, it already is tyranny. Despite all the window-dressing of life as normal, it is not normal and there are absolutely no plans to return it to normal. Look at what is happening in Australia to get an idea of where we are headed. This is the biggest crime against humanity ever perpetrated. Now more than ever we need voices in high places. Moreover,… Read more »
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Toby old chap, you seriously need to talk to your good friend James Delingpole to get your head screwed on the right way round mate. Can you really not see where this is heading? Do you still think the government are just incompetent? Are you just a shill for the establishment in the end?
I can only assume many who are wealthy and well connected know full well what is happening but either don’t care or don’t think it will impact them much. Let’s be honest most people are cowardly and happy to go along with a bit of tyranny as long as they are ok. History repeats itself again and again, very few good people stand up and the order followers go along with anything. The UK media is enabling the regime to such a point it resembles MI7.
Here in British Columbia, Canada I am set to become a second class citizen on September 13, deprived of my civil rights to go to a bar or restaurant, a gym, get on an aeroplane and much else besides. Trudeau is shamelessly advocating vaccine passports as a wedge issue in his flailing election campaign. It is demagoguery 101 – stir the majority into self righteous rage against a vilified and persecuted minority for political advantage.
I guess they don’t teach history in school anymore so the ignorant masses don’t know this is exactly how the Nazi’s started. Make the jews wear gold stars so they are readily identifiable as unclean, untermensch. The sheeple who support this are also evidently too thick to realize that the power drunk politicians they are now encouraging and abetting won’t stop there and will turn on them one day.
Vaxports is apartheid, requiring tests is apartheid, requiring proof of antibodies is apartheid. Stuff the lot of them.
My guess is this will be an unmitigated shitshow (from their perspective) I think that everyone who has resisted the pressure to get vaxxed up till now will dig their heels in and that will cap it at 60ish percent (weighted heavily towards those too old to go clubbing). clubs and bars will go out of business having lost at least 40% of their business and will either bend/ignore the rules or get angry. Chaos. I know that ‘they’ want a puritanical dystopian society but they have to make that transition seamlessly whilst maintaining order and appearances. This will make them look utterly ridiculous and make it obvious they are not worried about public health.
They started looking utterly ridiculous a LONG time ago. Sadly, much as I’d like to think you’re right, I fear your vision will not see the light of reality.
Johnson and his lickspittles are in a deep hole. They should stop digging. But all they will do is order more shovels. They can’t learn. Won’t learn. They have condemned themselves to dig for all eternity. Or at least until someone puts them out of their misery.
They should take an example from Germany and call it something else. Here it is called “2G” (genesen/geimpft) (as opposed to “3G” (genesen/geimpft/getestet). Just to avoid the dreaded words “vaccine passports”. Obviously, “1G” (gesund) is no longer an option.
An LFT just from the unvaxxed is also discriminatory (and useless anyway).
And I/we’ll just exempt ourselves anyway.
But in light of the government knowing the latter (and the firmer), and in light of the disastrous medical evidence having piled up against their introduction, not to speak of the societal one, it is telling that the gov is not just renewing but intensifying its push and using the exact same rhetoric forthis as all the other fascists who have already introduced this and all other discrimination.
This is a clear indication that this is globally coordinated, with a totalky different agenda and goal than a medical one, so bury the cockup idea for good, Toby&co.
The only goal is ID2020.
Not sure about globally coordinated but the cockup theory now has no credibility.
By the lights of the covidians the vaxx passports are useless, but you’re right – any kind of health passport should be opposed on principle. Covid is unexceptional, so exceptional measures are not needed. Rather dull repeating it all the time, but repeating the same message incessantly has allowed the enemy to be winning the propaganda war.
Why not sure about it being globally coordinated? Countries seem to be falling in line pretty clearly to me.
It probably is but I guess you could argue that is Boris & Co see it as a benefit to themselves, why wouldn’t every other ‘leader’ come to the same conclusion?
WHO publishes worldwide digital passport guidelines ..
Do you have a link to that thread/reference/doc? Thx
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Digital_certificates-vaccination-2021.1
No way will the government lose this vote – there are still loads of Blairites on the Labour benches who will support it, and I suspect the SNP will, ironically, do so too because, well, that’s their policy as well, so they can’t be accused of being hypocrites yet again?
I bet this passes with a majority in three figures, not a loss or just squeaking by. Didn’t the same happen when the general COVID laws were extended another 6 months?
To be honest, I think some Tory MP ‘rebels’ are just virtue-signalling because they know it plays well with locals, whilst actually they don’t give two hoots about it all. Many (IMHO, like Baker) have been hypocritical on related issues over the past 18 months.
That’s mean.If they vote for it they’re villains, if they vote against it they’re hypocrites?
If they vote against it, I’ll cheer them.
That’s the media for you. I’m not saying if the DO vote against vaccine passports that they are villains.
I am saying I think many are hypocritical because they support other authoriarian measures or, as they often do, back down at the last minute (getting no or little in the way of meaningful concessions) when under pressure by the Whips or media.
That’s why I think many of them are just playing to the gallery/virtue-signalling and don’t care one way or the other – as long as they keep their jobs. Some principled MPs ARE doing this for the right reasons and stick to their guns, but not many.
I bet in the end only 20 or so Tory MPs will vote against the plans, a similar amount (from the ‘group of 40’ will abstain or vote with the government).
I want this bill to fail, but I just don’t see things going our way. Hopefully we’ll get months of the system doing very badly and lots of negative publicity so it gets abandoned because venues are losing too much revenue.
It appears my predictions are starting to come true – the SNP administration in Scotland has announced their vote on vaccine passports, thus their lot in Westminster will likely not vote against that for England. At most abstain, which means 50+ MORE Tory MPs will have to vote against it. Highly unlikely
i agree with Kathy Gyngell in her piece she wrote when announcing the change of name of The Conservative Woman as she did not want to be associated with the word Conservative any more. If Tory MPs truly were against these measures, which are completely unethical, immoral and contrary to all the values of the old Conservative party, they should have resigned the whip and become independents. But not a single one has.
Exactly my point – they are just virtue-signalling. Anyone from the Tory benches who was serious about this load of authoritarian policies (that don’t even work to help the pandemic response anyway) would be resigning the whip and standing as an Independent Tory.
This would be a VERY opportune time for the Reform Party to try and entice (pun not intended) people across to their banner – including those few based Labour MPs who are still there.
Can we all agree that this is no longer about protection from a virus,as the Government itself acknowledges they do not give immunity and they do not stop transmission. So the only reason that the passports are being rolled out is as a punishment to those who have not obeyed the Government.
Those naughty people how dare they not do as they are told.
Tell me what makes a person who because he wins a few votes to represent the people of the town he “resides in”, suddenly believes that by becoming a minister it suddenly gives him the Godlike ability to run other peoples lives.? Most of these people were unsuccessful in life outside of being a politician, civil servant, many of them have car crashes of personal lives, and have all the social skills of a dog with rampant flatulence. Having had in a past life the displeasure of entertaining Mp’s from all parties, I can firmly say I have never met with a more frankly think, ignorant, and socially inept set of people anywhere else.
that should be thick by the way
“ the only reason that the passports are being rolled out is as a punishment to those who have not obeyed the Government.
Those naughty people how dare they not do as they are told.”
Well said.
And the vaxxed that go along with this bs need to be called out for doing so.
There are even more thick, ignorant and socially inept people in local government – notably council “officers” even more so than “members”.
In fact, the behaviour of our national government over the covid scare has been a lot like that of our gormless traffic planners: too many speed bumps and no common sense.
I read that as:
Tell me what makes a person who because he wins a few votes to represent the people of the town he “resides in”, suddenly believes that by becoming a minister it suddenly gives him the Godlike ability to RUIN other peoples lives.?
THIS SHOULD BE DEBATED BY PARLIAMENT
Why bother. Parliament has acquiesced in its own emasculation.
Remember to donate to the legal challenge against this bullshit if you can.
So-called Vax passes only lasted for 3 weeks in Russia as the public united against them and restaurants were left empty. This is what we must do.
Only three weeks to flatten the curve – only until we vaccinate all the elderly and vulnerable – once we’ve vaccinated the over sixties that’ll be it …. back to normal …. just until all the over fifties have been vaccinated … and so on and so on
Do you really think these vaccine passports will remain only for the use of large venues and nightclubs?
Remember – a Boris Johnson promise is just a lie waiting to happen.
As sure as night follows day – these vaccine passports will be extended to pubs and restaurants then it will be applied to large supermarkets and other large stores …. and so on and so forth.
This does not end until we say it does.
For eighteen months this depraved government has said one thing and done the complete opposite of what it said it would’nt do – it is a callous government of self-serving cheats, frauds and liars – a malicious government that relies on willful deception and psychological bullying to implement its vile tyrannical agenda – this is the most evil and wicked regime ever to take power in Britain – Nazi-esque in its pursuit of absoilute control and… Read more »
>For eighteen months this depraved government has said one thing and done the complete opposite of what it said it would’nt do
Said one thing while planning to do the opposite…
They need the same fate as Ceaucescu.
Yes, and the sooner the better.
Sadly, they are just waiting for “Covid terrorists” to strike in order to tighten the screws. Actually, they will probably fabricate such terror events themselves.
With four weeks of potential jabbing still to go before the “passport” comes in, you wouldn’t expect the government to admit at this point that it isn’t going to happen would you? Fingers crossed for the rug to be pulled at the last minute. Each day, new evidence appears about the vaccines which undermines the very idea of passports.
Of course, the same loophole with clot shots is available as with masks. Anyone can self-exempt without being asked for proof that they can’t be tested/be jabbed but of course most people won’t be aware of this because it just won’t be advertised.
I remember last year asking for risk assessments on mask wearing and none was ever forthcoming. If we asked for risk assessments about vaccines, I doubt if they’d be forthcoming either. The government wants businesses to do its dirty work.
Just written to my MP again telling him that the whole thing stinks!
I think we have to go further. MPs who agree with this shoud have their freedom removed. Maybe protests outside their homes blocking them from leaving would make more impact?
Bozo is all for vaxports. Bozo is all for lockdowns. Bozo is all for muzzles. Bozo is all for denying children education, and old people everything that might make their last years worth living. Bozo is all for sacking the unperforated. Bozo is all for denying healthcare to anybody who doesn’t have either covvie or two armfuls of poison. Bozo is all for slavery. Bozo is all for misery.
It’s the New Conservatism.
Nothing to do with ‘health’. Everything to do with Agenda 21.
Just thank your lucky stars you are not across the channel.
‘Health Minister Olivier Véran has stressed the “success” of the French health pass requirement, which requires people to show proof of full vaccination, a recent negative test or recovery from Covid-19 in order to enter into a range of public spaces.
He told France 5 on August 30: “In other countries they’re talking about the health pass and its success in France. It’s not just three or five countries that are now doing the same thing as us: dozens of countries are following suit.”
He also said that – without the vaccination numbers encouraged by the introduction of the health pass requirement – another lockdown would have been unavoidable.
After this obligation was launched by President Emmanuel Macron on July 12, 12 million people – or 18% of the population – have been vaccinated, according to Prime Minister Jean Castex.
“Life did not stop [with the health pass],” Mr Véran said, adding that “people feel more safe” with it.
“Restaurants, bars and gyms are doing better than they did in summer 2019.
During the interview, Mr Véran did not rule out extending the health pass requirement beyond its current… Read more »
Bet you it’ll be a condition for voting soon in Macronistan.
My brother has cut me out of his life when I told him that I was shocked that he thought apartheid based on vaccine status was acceptable after he’d bragged that he was going to a nice restaurant because he had his VP & how marvellous a thing it was to stop the spread of covid….
Think I touched a raw nerve.
Your brother sounds like one of those types who buys things to be seen recycling…
There is already a new variant in South Africa.
Tbh, I wouldn’t want to be anywhere that’s stuffed full of the quadruple-jabbed. Let them keep their symptomless spreading and shedding to themselves.
I would be more concerned about being somewhere full of people who think it’s fine to have to show a medical pass to access ordinary life.
I take your point, but I find it difficult to give two stuffs what the jabbed-up think.
My point is that I don’t want to be around people who support vaccine passports if I can avoid it, especially somewhere I am trying to have fun.
I imagine that the atmosphere of toxic smug would be asphyxiating.
There were some good placards on the medical freedom protest in London last Saturday – one quite relevant here:
I like what they are doing in France. They are sitting outside cafes and restaurnts who are enforcing passports and eating a picnic.
Kids should do the same here. Take some boom boxes and have a street party outsdide the venues.
two FDA senior regulators responsible for the oversight of the vaccines, Marion Gruber and Phil Krause have resigned. This must be to do with the pressure for them to “approve” the comirnity jab.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-31/two-fda-vaccine-officials-to-step-down-after-covid-clearances
Mightily suspect
And yet they caused the issues in the first place, let the kids dance! Keeping people, especially children apart and forbidding GP appointments, and mental and physical exercise, for months on end, oh gee I wonder what might happen…
“The NHS in England is already experiencing “winter-like pressures”, the Society of Acute Medicine (SAM) has warned.
Dr Nick Scriven of SAM said many patients are suffering from illnesses typically seen in winter such as respiratory infections.
Dr Scriven said: “I think it is fair to say we are currently facing an unprecedented summer workload that feels more like the worst winter pressures most of us can recall.
“We are seeing vast numbers of patients with non-Covid illness alongside the steady admission rates of those still very poorly with Covid.
“The types of illnesses we are seeing are typical of winter weather as in a lot of respiratory infections, especially in paediatrics, but also a lot of people where the lack of access to primary and secondary care during the last 18 months could now be contributing to them needing hospital admission.
“We are also noticing frailer people who have deconditioned over lockdowns so that any illness that previously might have been fairly… Read more »
“deconditioned over lockdown” – great phrase.