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by Toby Young
30 July 2021 2:42 AM

  • “Hospital figures for Covid cases ‘misleading’” – Government accused of making “flawed decisions” after NHS finds quarter of virus patients had other causes of admission, according to the Telegraph.
  • “Covid vaccine passport is here after change to NHS app – official” – Wording on the NHS app means businesses now able to see evidence that customers have been double jabbed, reports the Standard.
  • “More than 50 Tory MPs prepared to vote AGAINST Covid passports” – Boris Johnson had announced that certificates proving double vaccinations will be needed to enter nightclubs and potentially other venues and universities from September, says MailOnline.
  • “France DID go on amber-plus because of Covid beta variant in Island” – Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab openly admitted France was added to amber-plus list because of the prevalence of the strain ‘in the Reunion bit of France’ – which is an island in the Indian Ocean nowhere near Paris, says MailOnline.
  • “Neil Ferguson ‘overconfident’ in his Covid claims, says top US forecaster” – Nate Silver hits out at bold statements by the British epidemiologist who predicted virus cases could rise to 100,000 a day, reports the Telegraph.
  • “Why are we in thrall to ‘superforecasters’ like Professor Neil Ferguson?” – The epidemiologist got it wrong with his Covid crystal ball and he’s not the only one – but why were we so trusting? asks the Telegraph.
  • “Have I been unfair to Neil Ferguson?” – Freddy Sayers in UnHerd thinks he may have been too unkind to Professor Lockdown.
  • “How EU leaders destroyed AstraZeneca’s Covid vaccine dream” – The company is weighing up whether it wants a future in vaccines as its jab remains marred by early criticism.
  • “Covid test and trace revolt as growing number refuse to hand over contacts’ details” – As economy falters in face of the ‘pingdemic’, official figures show compliance has fallen by almost 10% in the past month, according to the Telegraph.
  • “Am I alone in not wanting to download the Covid app?” – Lionel Shriver says in her Spectator column that she has no desire to download the Covid app and risk being ‘pinged’.
  • “Vaccine passports could threaten the employment recovery” – Kate Andrews in the Spectator says vaccine passports could damage the economy.
  • “A volte face over what caused the pandemic needs explaining” – “Why did scientists suddenly change their minds about the possibility of a leak from Wuhan’s Institute of Virology?” asks Matt Ridley in the Spectator. “Jeremy Farrar offers no good answers.”
  • “Coronavirus: SafePass to enter all shops under discussion” – Reports indicate that the enforcement of the SafePass in Cyprus is likely to widen, likely including kiosks and mini-markets.
  • “‘Liberal’ Lawmaker: Young People Need ‘Coercion’ of Vaccine Passports” – Baroness Kennedy says students “need a little bit of coercion” in the form of forced vaccinations to attend university, says Brietbart.
  • “Compulsory workplace vaccination rules cannot apply to vegans” – Warning by lawyers highlights ethical issues in trying to force vegans to have jabs.
  • “Biden wants state, local govts to pay $100 to newly vaccinated Americans” – President Biden is calling for state, local and U.S. territorial governments to provide $100 payments for every newly vaccinated American to boost COVID-19 inoculation rates, the U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday.
  • “Liberal Feels Sad For Man Dying Of COVID, Then Happy After Hearing He Wasn’t Vaccinated, Then Sad Again Because He Was An Illegal Immigrant” – Razor sharp satire from the Babylon Bee.
  • “You’d have to be nuts to call me ‘anti-vax’” – Frederick Edwards in Bournbrook Magazine says he’s not anti-vaxx, just not very keen on the Covid vaccinations.
  • “The myth that vaccination prevents transmission” – HART parses the evidence on vaccines and transmission.
  • “Journalists claim COVID-19 news has been ‘censored’ for ‘official narrative’” – A group of almost 30 journalists have banded together to object to “censorship” and “fearmongering” in the COVID-19 narrative from media and tech giants, according to U.K. Press Gazette.
  • “AstraZeneca vaccine ‘has same risk of blood clots as Pfizer’s’” – Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine is just as likely to trigger blood clots as AstraZeneca’s, according to a study in Spain that has prompted fury among U.K. Government officials, who blame EU resentment over Brexit for the demonisation of the AstraZeneca jab.
  • “The real reasons for South Africa’s riots” – Andrew Kenny, a native South African, explains what’s behind the recent rioting.
  • “Now Boris Johnson must show what he REALLY stands for ” – What does Boris stand for? asks Stephen Glover in the Mail. Does he stand for anything? Does he have strong political beliefs?
  • “220,000 Member American Postal Workers Union Releases Statement Against Mandatory Vaccinations for Federal Employees” – One of America’s largest trade unions has come out against mandatory jabs for its members.
  • “Britain, climate change and the reality of extreme weather events” – Ross Clark in the Spectator cautions against attributing the recent extreme weather to climate change.
  • “Environmentalists have got it wrong – we’re not facing an insect apocalypse” – The doomsday claims are not backed up by scientific research, says Matt Ridley in the Telegraph.
  • “Scientists fear climate change may have reached the point of no return” – Earth’s ‘vital signs’ are getting worse and there’s evidence that many are close or have surpassed ‘tipping points,’ scientists warned on Wednesday in a new study, according to MailOnline.
  • “From COP26 to COVID19: The Fallacy of Predictive Models and a Return to Real Thinking” – Interesting essay by Matt Ehret looking at the flawed modelling behind climate change alarmism and COVID-19.
  • “Olympic Pseudoscience – Tokyo Edition” – Steven Novella in Science Based Medicine looks at some of the snake oil sold on the back of performances by Olympic athletes.
  • “Newmarket councillors pass vote of no confidence in local MP Matt Hancock” – Another blow to the former Health Secretary, whose political comeback is looking less likely by the day.
  • “Britain back in business? Er, no chance ” – “With any luck, flying abroad won’t be a big problem for much longer,” says Richard Littlejohn in the Mail, taking aim at LTNs and cycle lanes. “It’s getting around Britain that’s the real nightmare.”
  • “Alan Jones column pulled from the Daily Telegraph amid anti-lockdown, COVID-19 controversies” – News Corp’s Daily Telegraph has pulled a weekly column by controversial broadcaster and lockdown sceptic Alan Jones.
  • “Charles Murray’s Facing Reality—A Review” – Razib Khan reviews Facing Reality: Two Truths about Race in America by Charles Murray for Quillette.
  • “Facebook’s hate speech curbs violated Germans’ rights, court rules” – In a landmark decision, Germany’s supreme court has said Facebook must give users a right to respond before it suspends their accounts.
  • “Alan Rusbridger always wins” – Certain liberal panjandrums will always land plum jobs, no matter what their track record, says Douglas Murray in UnHerd.
  • “Chef says teaching kids not to eat with hands promotes racism” – Conservative MP for Ashfield in Nottinghamshire Lee Anderson has said the claims made by chef Joshna Maharaj are “rubbish”, according to MailOnline.
  • “Stabbed for critiquing Islam” – This Sunday at Speakers’ Corner, the well-known “home of free speech”, Christian evangelist Hatun Tash was brutally stabbed by a man wearing a black Islamic robe. Tim Dieppe, who works for the Christian Legal Centre, takes up Haton’s cause in the Critic.
  • “‘This is not over’: Van-Tam says autumn and winter will be ‘bumpy’ as record number are pinged by app” – The Deputy Chief Medical Officer of England claims the vaccines have saved 60,000 lives.
  • “If 60,000 prevented deaths there would have been 116,056 with no vaccines. 3x more than last year??? Really?” – Good tweet from consultant surgeon Dr. Anthony Hinton casting doubt on Van-Tam’s claim about the number of lives saved by the vaccines.

Covid deaths Jan-July 2020 41,220 with no vaccines. Covid Deaths Jan-July 2021 56,056 with vaccines. That’s 14,836 more deaths with vaccines. If 60,000 prevented deaths there would have been 116,056 with no vaccines. 3x more than last year??? Really? https://t.co/7n11nshdYH

— Dr Anthony Hinton (@TonyHinton2016) July 29, 2021
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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“France on amber plus because of Indian ocean island”.

It’s the science, you know. Is “amber plus” the new tiers (of hell) then? Not much changes does it?

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Reunion is almost as remote as you can get, unless you insist on St Helena. And most of it consists of a large, active volcano. Quarantine for lava poisoning, please.

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SJR
SJR
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Possibly revenge for Macron not considering NI to be part of the UK.
According to France their colonies are a integral part of their country, so the British government can’t treat them as separate areas when it comes to covid. Touché, Macron!

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KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  SJR

And don’t forget Macron trashing the AZ vaccine…

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Wrong reason, correct conclusion.

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It’s fun when the weasel tactics are used against Macron. Unfortunately Raab is using all sorts of weasel tactics against his own people.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The craziest thing about this is that La Reunion is listed as a seperate country on the UK list , and is marked AMBER.
So yes its pure politics. But remember quite a few ordinary people are caught up in this, including some who want to visit aged/dying relatives and are unable to easily because of this stupidity.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Students need coercion of vaxports” – a liberal.

Call me stupid, but what is liberal about coercion of people at no risk to take dangerous experimental drugs?

Then again, the “liberal” author of The Wizard Of Oz was apparently in favour of genocide against native “Americans” (red “Indians”). Scratch a liberal, find a fascist…

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Oh, tish, it’s only a “little bit” of despotism. I’m sure it won’t lead to anything.

Now put on your yellow star and hush up. It’s all legal and above board, you know.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

“we don’t want to be late for the Train, Never been there before but Auschwitz sounds lovely”.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Fascism is marxism minus the PR

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Vaxports are here as NHS app updated to include domestic section” (Evening Standard).

Obviously a day of national shame, along with 23/03/20, and too many others.

So with domestic “vaccine” discrimination now more or less official, and with 88.4% of UK adults having had one “vaccine” injection, and 71.4% having had two “vaccine” injections, can anyone estimate what percentage are likely to remain on none or one, and thus become victims of this poisonous new form of apartheid? For example, is somewhere close to 10% not taking the injections at all realistic? And, more pertinently, can the holdouts organise an effective resistance movement?

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timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Hugh,
You’re guestimate looks about right to me – but I’m not a numbers man! As for organising an effective resistance movement – yes and no. Yes in that there is a loose, informal coalition of the unvaxxed or transvaxxites (see link, below) – but I doubt there will ever be a formal group or organisation. But, I don’t think that matters, because I suspect and very much hope that the vaccine juggernaut will crumble to dust before long. There are three principle reasons for this . . .

  1. Whatever the unvaxxed figures are – there will always be a significant number even though they/we are in a tiny minority. If the Covid extremists are right, we ought to all die off. We won’t, of course, and then they’ll have some explaining to do!
  2. The double (triple, quadruple etc.) jabbed will still get the latest variant of Covid and die with it – if not from it. The efficacy of the vaccines were hugely exagerated to begin with and, before long, this will become all too apparent for everyone to see. The penny will drop!
  3. Lastly and most importantly, all those that took the first two jabs enthusiastically will see that it’s made little difference: they can still get infected and kill granny. They still can’t easily (and cheaply) go on holiday and, bit by bit, they’ll know someone who’s had a serious adverse reaction to their latest jab. So, while the uptake of the first two jabs is high, there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of the high numbers being maintained with the subsequent booster jabs. This will result in more and more people being unable to keep their vaccine passports up to date and feeling very bitter towards the government for having duped them in the first place.

To conclude, I think all the unvaxxed have to do is bide our time, sit tight and wait. Sooner or later, the vaccine house of cards will, inevitably, come tumbling down. Please god! 😉
Transvaxxite link: https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2021/07/vaccines-are-all-in-your-head.html

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

I was in a local cafe yesterday and overheard the two owners discussing the vaccines, one had a dental abscess following her 2nd and knew four other people eho had suffered similarly. I asked if they had reported this via the yellow card system, needless to say they had never heard of it. We had a conversation about the number of deaths reported after vaccine and the number of adverse effects reported, they were ‘bug eyed’ at hearing the numbers and both adamant they wouldnt be getting a booster. As I left I heard them passing on the information to what were clearly regular customers.
Little steps but the house of cards will topple.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

Yes, I agree. Also, if the unvaxxed are barred eventually from all sorts of places, how can we be blamed for muck-spreading, especially as we’re are so much in the “minority”? ESPECIALLY, because the Johnson junta can’t stop telling the world of the “success” and “high uptake” of their ” world beating vaccination programme! ” Most of us unvaccinated don’t really care anymore about going to venues etc, we know the real battle starts if we are banned from accessing food and vital services, but again the narrative to keep these viruses going by blaming us, will collapse if we’re stopped from going anywhere or doing anything! If they keep saying the (ever-increasing) variants (spread now, only by the vaccinated) will need ever more boosters, and new vaccines, for a virus that is not having any remarkable effect on the population, and as side-effects and harms from the vaccines, ARE going to be more obvious as time moves forward, then the bloody “vaccination” programme can surely only be seen as a failure!

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Can the percentage numbers be verified? Is it likely they are exaggerated?

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milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

As the government has no real idea how many people are in the UK (it’s a number of years since one of the supermarket chains let slip that they thought there were 80 million in the country), they are estimates.

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Nikola.Tesla
Nikola.Tesla
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Based on the MPI (master patient index) essentially registrations to GP practices, it’s at around 83%, depending on the region. National team likes to use 10 years old ONS figures. Higher numbers for the media. Only hope is the 18-39 age group, as they’ve basically tapped out early in uptake. Hence the coercion. They’re at around 70%.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

If you’re 30 or under the jabs are massively more dangerous than COVID.

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Nikola.Tesla
Nikola.Tesla
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Trust me. I’m completely against all of this.

If there was anything to be concerned about, you’d protect the vulnerable and leave the rest of us. That’s it.

All of this is for a social credit system and their transhumanism project.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Considering they have already admitted that the population of the UK is unknown (how unknown is obviously unknown – I currently take over 70 million as a realistic possibility) this could well be an underestimate. Of course the unknowns may already be facing quite serious problems up to and including slavery.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The irony is that those figures are a slap in the face for any sucker who thinks the inoculations have anything to do with preventing the virus, since the government is telling the tale that it’s still incredibly ‘dangerous’.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Jonathan Van Tam can solve a lot of problems by drinking a 45 gallon drum of fuck right off juice.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

It is impossible to be too harsh on Neil Ferguson, after his 25 year track record of innumeracy

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Never mind his innumeracy, or even his immorality, or even his smug, simpering imbecility. It’s the fact that government Fascists take notice of him that’s the problem.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Can there have been one man anywhere in history who has caused as much harm merely by making up numbers?

More fool the rest of the population for listening to him, or for letting our governments get away with acting on his bullshit, but nevertheless…

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Drosten comes close.

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milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Birds of a feather.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Rachel Carson has killed millions of Africans via malaria with the DDT ban

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Dave
Dave
4 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

He was described in the piece as “an infectious diseases boffin”
Rubbish.
He’s a computer modeller and a bloody awful one at that

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Kim Jong-Johnson stands for whatever he thinks will be popular at any given millisecond.

He also stands for obesity, fraudulence and communism.

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Lilacblue
Lilacblue
4 years ago

Two hospital admissions, patients of similar age with cough and short of breath, both with background of asthma. One tests +ve, diagnosis Covid infection. The other -ve, diagnosis exacerbation of asthma. Both given steroids and home in less than 24 hrs. Interestingly that positive test also brings in significantly more funds for the hospital.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Lilacblue

Last year, Clinics in USA were being paid for every covid diagnosis, I expect the UK to have followed suit. Covid is now an international money maker, moving taxpayers money into private as well as public hands.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

The welfare state is for the benefit of billionaires

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

Hear this:

” If you don’t know what is a fact and what is not, as President Obama memorably put it at the end of last year in an interview with The Atlantic, the marketplace of ideas – on which democracy is based – ceases to function. And how can the objective truth of science and the scientific process lay out its stall if audiences are confronted with ‘alternative truths’ – even about established scientific principles.”

Sounds ok. But of course it isn’t. It’s from a BBC gang plotting to suppress all opposition to lies about Covid and much, much else.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/publishers-need-to-work-together-to-fight-harmful-disinformation/

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

This is why #defundtheBBC is a global issue, not just British. The harm caused by the poisonous BBC has obviously always been concentrated in the UK, but nowadays extends globally thanks to the BBC’s subsidised global reach and its involvement in outright evil campaigns like this one.

“First, it’s about scoping out what counts as demonstrably harmful disinformation that poses an immediate threat to life or the integrity of the democratic electoral process. There isn’t an adequate free-speech defence to justify attacking masts, committing arson and disrupting the vital communications of the emergency services, even though beliefs linking Covid-19 and 5G may be sincerely held.”

Funny, I’m sure I saw these types making excuses for BLM and XR-supporting inflammatory propaganda and for vandalism and violence by those kinds of “protesters”. “Mostly peaceful”, after all, and “it’s only property“.

Regardless, the idea that authorities should determine what kind of information and opinion is safe for the people to see is so obviously profoundly dangerous that one has to assume the people pushing these initiatives are doing so with consciously dictatorial intent. Tyranny is ok as long as it’s their kind of tyranny.

This is serious and imminent. Once information is fully controlled, there will be no going back without long, painful and costly civil war.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
4 years ago

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.

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Fred Streeter
Fred Streeter
4 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

“But when we’ve practiced for a bit, we make a decent job of it.” (Not mine.)

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Amtrup
Amtrup
4 years ago

Sadly vegans probably *won’t* have a get-out-clause ( animal testing or components ), because at least two of the main vaccines skipped the usual animal testing stages because of the “emergency”/rush to find a vaccine, and are made with no animal extracts at all either.

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

Thst was my first thought too. Then the cynic in me thought this is a trap for people to use up their one prepared excuse for not taking the shot.

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

But if you’re opposed to cannibalism you should have an argument.. The shots are tested on human fetal tissue.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Amtrup

I eat a vegan diet with my meat, poultry, game and fish. Will that do?

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

If, after reviewing all the available non-biased evidence and information, an individual decides to take the ‘vaccine’, that’s their choice and I will respect that. Likewise, if I choose not to take the ‘vaccine’, that is my choice and it should be respected, end of story.

Coercion, manipulation and threats to liberty and freedom, has no place in a free democratic society and is fundamentally wrong. Take note Gove, Johnson et al.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Which is why taking the vaccine should come with the a bill for the costs of the vaccine and staff and buildings

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

That basic issue should always be at the forefront. Similarly, the basic fact that data shows clearly that there was never any ’emergency’ by any intelligent criterion.

I think sceptics often get too easily suckered into arguing about less important side-issues and just cursing at the moon.

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SJR
SJR
4 years ago

I took my son to a large amusement park on the coast yesterday. Though I considered it absolute hell (noisy, crowded, long queues) it was probably the most ‘normal’ place in terms of lack of social distancing and facemasks I’ve been in a long, long time. (A marked comparison to my local supermarkets and shops where most people still mask up and act like you’ve got ebola),

It was crowded as any football match, with people queueing next to each other for long periods, and huge numbers of people in close proximity in general.

There must be dozens of places like this in the UK. If there really was a covid problem then surely we’d be seeing clusters of cases around these locations.

It makes a mockery of requiring organised events to have vaccine passports, when sites with comparable numbers of people and considerably more mixing won’t have to, and would find it almost impossible (thank goodness) to implement them.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  SJR

Unless you are very intimate with another individual, catching a virus outside is unlikely in the extreme. For this reason closing outdoor sporting events to the public was always a huge psy-op, particularly when indoor hospitality was shut.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

… and even the likelihood of transmitting it in a confined household is remarkably low.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  SJR

I was in Waitrose today, and most of the customers put on their “i’m a sheep” identifiers, but most of the staff had decided to ditch the cloth beards.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

It’s very variable here. “Freedom day” about 50% masked in the farm shop, 80% in the Co-Op, 30% down town.

Last week 80% in the farm shop, 90% in the Co-Op but less than 10% in town.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

“More than 50 Tory MPs prepared to vote AGAINST Covid passports”  Are the rest of Parliament prepared to vote FOR Domestic Segregation Passports?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

That was my thought. 360 parliamentary oxygen wasters paid for by the taxpayer and hardly any of them standing up for the public.

People can be so dumb!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Not sure when they could have prepared for it but from the very beginning the majority have danced to the same tune. The way money has been flung around makes you wonder

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

This is a crucial point in our history. If the vote is passed we will no longer be a free country but a totalitarian state run by fear on the basis of fake “science”. Life won’t be worth living.

It has become clear that the government takes its orders from the WEF and other organisations behind which stand evil individuals motivated by a lust for power and greed.

The time has come for Tory rebels to put country before party for once. If they resigned the whip and formed a new party I believe they would gain massive support. The question is: do they have the guts and integrity?

We are truly on the edge of the abyss.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

We also need WEFxit.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

It’s all fairly unimportant – the compromise will be that you’ll need a negative test. Labour will vote for that. And we’ll be stuck with it forever.

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/WAPFLondon/status/1419968605593247760

Interesting thread on the illegality of vaccine mandates.

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KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

We’ll need a test case and then it will all fall down. If the judiciary has any independence.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Very big ‘if’!

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
4 years ago

Morning, rational extremists.

A decent crop today, although anyone complaining that Social Credit Score apps will be bad for the economy, rather than that they are tyrannical tools to punish and crush dissent need to take a long, hard look at themselves and their priorities. It’s only a little bit of fascism, right?

I also have to take issue with this bit of language in the otherwise excellent piece from the Hart Group:

“Therefore, it is not actually surprising that a vaccine which works mainly in the circulatory system has little effect on stopping what starts as a respiratory infection.”

This has a strong smell of wibble to me. Vaccines do not do “work”, they train our immune systems to do that. Being injected in the arm does not mean that only your arm is immune. Our immune systems either mount a strong defence, or they do not.

And yes, this language matters, because it elevates the status of Our Vaccines beyond their actual efficacy, turning them into heroic little soldiers, standing guard to fight off invasive organisms. Are we to have Clap for Our Vaccines nights?

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Morning. Extreme lay person here. I have listened to Dr Sucharit Bhakdi talking about this point that injected vaccines can’t get to the mucosal layer of the lungs where all the mild to moderate Covid action takes place. Which is why inhaled vaccines for respiratory infections are being worked on down the pipe.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

This is all very baffling. Up to this year, I’d never heard anything about localised adaptive immune system mechanisms, and I’ve yet to see a cogent description of how that might even work.

I’m aware of inhaled budesonide reducing the severity of symptoms, but that’s through reducing inflammation and necrosis in the lungs, I don’t believe it’s producing any sort of immune response.

However, I’m always happy to learn from actual microbiologists like Dr Bhakdi.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
4 years ago

“Compulsory workplace vaccination rules cannot apply to vegans”

We are all vegans now! [at least as far as they know]

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

I’m vegan between meals.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

House Republicans escalate mask revolt by walking to Senate for ‘a taste of freedom’
“Such mask-mandate displeasure began almost immediately following the Capitol physician’s guidance earlier this week, and hasn’t stopped since. On Wednesday, Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) reportedly threw a mask back in the face of a staffer who offered her one, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) reportedly called House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) a “moron” for suggesting mask requirements are not rooted in science. And the fun continued.

During a press conference Thursday morning, McCarthy denounced both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for supposedly controlling “every element of our life” and Pelosi for enforcing the latest mandate when the Senate is free to govern maskless, per HuffPost. Meanwhile, Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) reportedly confronted McCarthy regarding a “new Capitol Police bulletin that suggests congressional staffers and visitors could be arrested” for violating the mask rule, per Politico. “This is bulls—. We need to lead,” said Roy.

Later, in continuation of the day’s theme, the group of angry, maskless Republicans walked in protest to the Senate“

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The push-back from health fascist Biden is welcome but far too late.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

‘……..we’re not facing an insect apocalypse’

Of course we’re not.

Insects are far too useful.

Accidental compulsory vaccination coming to your neighbourhood soon……..

‘Researchers in Japan have transformed mosquitoes into vaccine-carrying syringes by genetically engineering the insects to express the vaccine’

https://www.technologyreview.com/2010/03/19/27843/mosquitoes-engineered-into-flying-vaccinators/

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

What could possibly go wrong, eh?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think “what could possibly go right”? is the question

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

It’s ok. Surely nobody could possibly ever be insane enough to actually implement such a thing?

[XR, BLM, Bill Gates, and sundry other fanatic loonies have entered the chat]

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

And how many mosquito bites would be necessary?

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Dave
Dave
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

27.5 or one bloody great big one (paraphrasing Morecome and Wise)

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I have to admit, that’s not how I envisioned biological warfare

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Sitting in waiting room watching so called medic tell lie after lie on mainstream TV! “Vaccine better than catching Covid for protection against Covid”. It’s all about education he said… Yes. He needs education. He does look like the sort of health fascist (apologist for compulsory jabs) who’d have a beard to fit in with his culture.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I had a light bulb moment a few months ago when I understood why natural immunity is better than the vaccine-induced type.

It’s so obvious when you think of it – the whole virus is recognised by the immune system. The injected synthetic code for one part of the virus – in this case the S1 spike protein – has, we are told, mutated over time but the whole virus continues to be recognised by the natural immune system.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that should be countered if they are spreading this type of “dangerous misinformation” which is certainly is.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

we even have figures…

1% of people catch COVID twice.
40% of jabbed people catch COVID again…

Natural immunity is 40 times better protection that’s 4000%, the “medic” said a blatant lie.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Daily Telegraph: “Get the vax or risk getting the sack”.
But vegans can claim ethical veganism is a protected caracteristic as a valid exemption.
I “ALMOST” GIVE UP.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Je suis Vegan!
I’ll just have to tell my wife to stop posting pics of our restaurant meals henceforth.
If at all.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

As possibly the only Vegan who posts on this site (over 30 years, and 9 years vegetarian before that) I can tell you that I find this both strange and disgusting.

Why should one group of people be permitted to have an ethical stand-point which is more compelling than any other?

For example, if a Christian opposes the vaccines that used aborted foetal cells in their production – and I can understand that view – then why shouldn’t anyone else who is opposed or not to abortion, but does not believe in using human material derived from any human also be allowed to hold to that view?

But most of all, above everything else, we each OWN our body; no-one else has a right to interfere with it (without our express consent) and for that reason we quite rightly have rule of law which says it is illegal to injure, kill or rape another person. And it is assault to have a medical procedure without our consent.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Well said Jo. Double like this 👍

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Indeed.

“In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.”(John Stuart Mill, On Liberty, 1859)

But the “self ownership” argument is not accepted by the panickers – they evade it by claiming that there is threat to others (“externalities”).

However, if principled objections such as those by vegans are to be accepted (and clearly they should be), then why should vegan principles be accepted by courts any more than a personal commitment to liberty?

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Jo, it comes back to the point, that whatever your reason is, IF YOU DON’T WANT THE VACCINE, NOBODY BUT NOBODY SHOULD COMPEL YOU TO HAVE IT.

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steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

“Pregnant women were obviously naturally hesitant because there wasn’t any evidence, but women can be reassured now because we have this real world evidence about the vaccine being used in practice,” she says.

but obviously not long term evidence

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steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

“She adds that by getting the vaccine, pregnant women would not just protect themselves, but antibodies were also passed on to their babies”

completely unnecessary – the antibodies will have faded by the time the babies are in care homes and vulnerable

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

I’d want to be reassured the mrna vax wasn’t crossing the placenta and inducing the foetus to produce spike proteins. Anyone know?

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milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

And there is plenty of Vaers/Yellow card reports of pregnant women miscarrying. These people lying about these facts are simply evil.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

YES!

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

I think we need to keep this playing on loop to every government minister in every country, until they get it through their thick heads that this means the vaccine mandates are completely and utterly useless and that vaccine/health passes etc are also useless.
Aftet all its words directly out of the mouth of their favourite ‘covid guru’ Fauci himself.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1420362485803147267

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Apart from anything else, he looks like a dozy creep

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

There’s a lot of people on TV smiling and lying out of both sides of their mouths, knowing no-one in the audience will call them on their lies.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

“vaccine/health passes etc are also useless”
Useless for health, but that’s not their purpose!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Establishments that make it clear that they have no bias, you are a customer/client and are welcome to use or not use your app or wear or not wear a mask will be the winners, or they will go out of business

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago

This contains some very pleasing stats! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58014779
Out of 606,500 pregnant women in the UK, only 51,724 have had one “vaccine” and just 20,648 have had two.
People are not as stupid as they seem! When it comes to the risks it seems most women are making a clear choice.

It’s also important to bear in mind that pregnant women are subjected to a slew of medical tests/screening/interventions on an opt-out basis so it requires a good strength of mind and conviction to refuse these things. Midwives can be very pushy when they think they know best.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“quarter of virus patients had other cause of admission”

Why not the headline : “Sceptics proved right yet again as government sources admit to inaccurate data. Again.”

But then we have :

” more than half of patients classed as Covid hospitalisations only tested positive after admission,”

… which suggests the revised figures may still be inflated.

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AndyPandy
AndyPandy
4 years ago

‘Some 95% of people in Britain still wore face coverings while outside their homes last week, according to the Office for National Statistics.
And 89% of adults felt that wearing face masks to help stop the spread of COVID is either very important or important.’

Utter balls from the ONS today.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Yo gorra loff, ay yer?
Black country dialect for: “You have got to laugh, haven’t you?”
Outside Tesco’s in Kidderminster today, one ultra (masked of course) sanitizer fanatic pushed the plunger that hard on the dispenser that the gunge shot over her shoulder into a fellow sheep’s eye.
Profuse apologies of course, “this stuff is dangerous;” me thought: “not so dangerous as you lot of idiots”.
I was “two double aloffin”.
I was bent in two, laughing.

Last edited 4 years ago by Fingerache Philip
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