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Christian Organisation Tells the Unvaccinated They’re Not Welcome

by Will Jones
23 July 2021 12:36 AM

A reader has contacted us to tell us her shock upon discovering that the Christian organisation she supports, United Beach Missions, is requiring the people who participate as volunteers in its summer activities (many of them young people) to be vaccinated. Here, we publish her correspondence with them.

She first contacted them through a web form:

I was very concerned to see that you are requiring a vaccine for the beach mission. I presume you are unaware that all the current Covid vaccines are only possible because of abortion benefit, and that a number of Christians feel a moral obligation to avoid the vaccine. This article concerns the use of foetal cell lines in the production of the vaccines. 

Furthermore, I personally have never known a vaccine to have caused such a quantity of adverse reactions or deaths. I base that on the Yellow Card scheme Government data and USA VAERS data. There are many doctors who are currently being censored who are saying it would be absolutely immoral for children or young adults to be coerced to take the vaccine. Safety trials do not finish until 2023 and there is no mid to long-term data on safety. I pray that the beach mission will not take this stance as we know a number of young people who would love to do beach mission and have done it in the past.

This was UBM’s reply:

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for your letter which we have read with interest. 

I am sure you will agree that we are in very difficult days. The steps we have reluctantly taken have been done so with the best of intentions and prayerfully before the Lord.

They have been taken in line with the best Christian and medical advice available to us and with the overarching aim of keeping people safe. We are therefore asking those who come on teams this year to have had the vaccine with the aim of keeping others safe. The issue is the risk to people closely sharing living accommodation, and we are seeking to protect and care for people by limiting transmission, isolation and people getting long Covid. We have sought to minimise the risk as much as possible. We accept this is unlikely to be a perfect set of decisions but has been made after much prayer, consultation and discussion.

The stance of UBM on these ethical questions is very much in line with the churches from which our members come and in line with other Christian organisations. UBM is not pro-abortion and we have made this very clear in our teaching many times. 

We accept that that vaccination raises important questions and we fully respect the conscientious objection of other believers in not taking the vaccine. 

There are others however who in good conscience believe that to take a vaccine is the better pro-life decision: we trust that you can appreciate their position.

Ultimately we all have the same Lord to Whom we must answer. 

We thank your for your support for UBM. We ask for your forbearance and prayers that we may be given wisdom and help in undertaking our mission this year.

Yours in Christ,

xxxx, xxxx 

Her reply:

Dear xxxx and xxxx,

Thank you for your reply. I am sad to hear of the stand you have taken. 

You state that:

“The stance of UBM on these ethical questions is very much in line with the churches from which our members come and in line with other Christian organizations”. 

Will it now be standard practice for churches to demand a vaccine for entry, or to participate in evangelism, or to wholly partake in church life? If so, it seems the church, as she sadly has many times throughout history, is embracing segregation of the “clean” and the “unclean”. Those who cannot in conscience take a vaccine based upon abortion benefit are now “unclean” and are forbidden from fully engaging in church life. Is this not the Galatians heresy? UBM is the first I have heard of that has taken this stance. 

However, I am even more concerned because of the safety profile of these vaccines and the fact it will be young people coming on your beach mission being coerced to take them to participate.

I met a young lady (aged 24) just last weekend who had been coerced to take the vaccine through her work. As a result, she has had a nonstop period for three months. My cousin was hospitalised with a blood clot after the vaccine. A lady at our church has a co-worker who has now been covered in a rash for months after the vaccine. Another lady at our church had her grandfather die within four hours of the vaccine and her grandmother was hospitalised within days of the vaccine. My mother has a cousin in America who died after the vaccine. This led me to start researching the safety profile of the vaccine by looking at the Government reporting sites such as the Yellow Card scheme. Here is a Government document listing reported adverse reactions and deaths from just the AstraZeneca vaccine in a one year period.

Notice “total reactions from the drug: 785,519” and “total fatal outcome reports: 983”.

For a comparison, here is a U.K. document listing the reported adverse reactions and deaths from the Pediacel vaccine (diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough) since 2000.

Notice “total reactions from the drug: 3013” and “total fatal outcome reports: 15”.

You can see in a period of one year in the U.K. the AstraZeneca vaccine has had dramatically more reported adverse reactions and deaths than the Pediacel vaccine has had since 2000 (though I believe the Pediacel vaccine became more widely available in 2010 so it would be more fair to say since 2010).

The inventor of the mRNA vaccine, Dr Robert Malone, discussed the ethics of the vaccine being given to young people in this interview.

“He talked intently on bioethics and whether it’s ethical to encourage the young (including children) who are currently healthy to take on the responsibility of being exposed to the risks associated with the vaccines in order to protect the vulnerable (the elderly and those with a compromised immune status).  For him, the answer was a categorical, no – it’s not ethical.”

I don’t see how is it ethical to tell young people they may not fully participate in church life if they won’t risk their own health so as to protect us older ones? Isn’t that asking the young to potentially sacrifice their health for us? Shouldn’t we rather make sacrifices for the young? 

I’m sure you’re aware that the vaccine companies have indemnity since the vaccine is authorised under emergency usage. Thus, if a young person has an adverse reaction they will get no pay-out from the company. I hope you will take full financial responsibility if any young person takes the vaccine purely to participate and has an adverse reaction?

I appreciate the gravity of the ethical dilemmas and also understand the media gives a very one-sided view. I pray that with this further information you might change your mind.

In Christ,

xxxxx xxxxx

If you would like to write to UBM about this you can do so here.

Tags: CoercionVaccine PassportsVaccines

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

All of humanity has been hypnotised and lulled into a death cult. We, the species, are now in the process of destroying ourselves. This will end in catastrophe.

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
3 years ago

How shamefully unchristian of them!

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago
Reply to  WorriedCitizen

religious leaders being massive hypocrites shocker.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Leaders of whatever ilk e.g. Johnson, Hancock et al.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Of course we have charlatans. The real Christians are absolute dynamite if you can find them

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  WorriedCitizen

How illegal…

Demanding they undertake medical procedures that have negative health consequences is immoral too, but large virtue-advertised organisations seem to attract the worst type of human to virtue signal around their own psychopathy.

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RosieP_83
RosieP_83
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

They are not a large organization. They are quite a small one that has, up until now, been a great blessing to the Christian community and the many people who benefit from their work. Hopefully this is just a blip and they will repent. They are good people.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

Religious hierarchies have been totally irrelevant in terms of moral leadership or adherence to basic moral and ethical beliefs. So what’s new?

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RosieP_83
RosieP_83
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

There have been some Christian lights during the pandemic. The Irreverend podcast has been brilliant. Then there have been all the Christian leaders who signed this letter against vaccine passports https://vaccinepassportletter.wordpress.com/

There have also been a number of pastors in Canada who have gone to prison for resisting the unloving lockdown rules including Tim Stevens, James Coates and Artur Palowski.

The totalitarianism we are seeing is entirely opposite to a Christian worldview. Jesus stood up to the totalitarian leaders (the Pharisees) of his day but totalitarianism is seductive and deceptive and it has sadly captured the heart of much of the church. However, I trust she will awake in time. There are many Christians who have not bought into this ideology, but as it often is, it seems to be more of the ordinary lowly Christians that see clearly than the high profile leaders. Don’t be put off Jesus because of His imperfect followers (of which we all are)! I believe He would be speaking bravely, strongly and loving against the dark, satanic, idolatrous ideology much of the world has become enslaved by. He would be passionately resisting for the sake of love of God and neighbor.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago

And, after all it STILL doesn’t stop transmission or stop infection! They’re either not very bright, unable or unwilling to look at ALL forms of medical data, or they are deep state controlled. This wrong on so many other levels, and again it’s poor kids that have to suffer.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I am in my 60’s. I neither want nor expect ANYBODY younger than me to take an injection for my benefit. I will do my best to look after myself. It is not the responsibility of others to feel obliged to alter their way of life to accommodate me.

There is no bravado in this.

Give the youngsters their lives.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I have immense gratitude for the young men who gave their lives for the freedom of their country during the two world wars. Now they are asking them to risk their lives to restrict our freedoms.

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

As a seventy plus who will not be playing the governing games- i fully support the above comment kids- we are old enough to risk assess the situation

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Geoff Cox
Geoff Cox
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

You have hit the nail on the head. But obliquely, I believe. The new world order doesn’t want anyone to take responsibility for themselves. They want to tell you and the kids exactly what to do all the time.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

So I guess they’re not a very Christian organization, then.

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RosieP_83
RosieP_83
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

They have been a great organization up until this point. The real test will be how they respond to the many Christians that are now writing to them and pleading with them to repent. If they don’t, it will be a sad day for United Beach Mission. But I am hopeful they will and that it was just a bad judgement based on poor, unbiblical advice.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

The complicity of the Christian Churches in the evil currently unfolding is in itself EVIL.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago

This is disgraceful – can even the most hardened atheist imagine Jesus telling the unvaxxed to stay away?

I can’t find their email address.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Just found it and sent an email.

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scepticScot
scepticScot
3 years ago

As Jesus didn’t say … Suffer little children to come unto me … but only if they’re vaccinated!

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  scepticScot

And for those who abuse little children, there’s a saying about millstones round necks and being thrown into the sea, which is handy in this case.

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DomTaylor
DomTaylor
3 years ago
Reply to  scepticScot

As I recall Jesus was critised for being a friend of lepers and himself condemned the religious leaders of the day for their hypocritical rules concerning cleaning kitchen utensils, which evidently his disciples didn’t follow (a passage of scripture that was always something of a mystery to me before 2020).

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

They will answer to God.
Yes.
Will he keep them safe?
They’ll get justice.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

How can they possibly refer to themselves as ‘Christians’ then?

These people have been seduced and mesmerised by the darkness.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

GILEAD?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Well this organisation is Barmy/Balmy…

Last edited 3 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
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DomTaylor
DomTaylor
3 years ago

Sounds similar to an email exchange I had with Christian charity Tearfund (I no longer support them). I got a similar response to my letter to the Arch Bishop of Cantebury. One of my local churched even expressed dismay at my being ‘so critical’ as to have expressed concern at their hosting the COVID-19 ‘Vaccination’ programme (this is when said programme was paying celebrities and media commentators to condemn anyone who refused a vaccine as a ‘selfish nutter’). I also notice Pope Francis was recorded as implying people had a moral duty to be ‘vaccinated.’ One wonders what some of these ‘Christian’ leaders actually believe: the Christian gospel or World Communism with enforced population control.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  DomTaylor

The current pope is vastly more a believer in the “Prophet Marx” (If i were religious I’d think think of him as a devil) than Jesus as the Son of God.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

I gave my life to Christ in 1973.
I wonder how the Beach Mission would respond to lepers in the days of the early Church?
In effect what they are saying is, unless you’re injected with an experimental gene therapy developed from aborted foetus, you can’t minister with us.
This is shameful and rather typical of today’s trendy Church which elevates legalism over wisdom and truth. As Paul told the Galations, who has bewitched you?’

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

That’s a wonderful comment.

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Encierro
Encierro
3 years ago

If there was a god and he is supposedly as kind as they say then why does he keep punishing humans things like viruses? If it was man made he could have easily stopped the making of it, saved humanity and proved is is almighty and kind.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

Humans made this virus. Humans must correct their errors.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

What an amazingly sharp mind you have.

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Durrans

That’s only a part of the quote; in full it reads:

“Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence,”  Oscar Wilde.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

This is the religion of Jesus who walked among lepers and exhalted his followers to do likewise?

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

Looks like Zahawi wants to destroy the Church of England (Scotland/Wales, etc.)? Divide and conquer.
I wonder if this is another way to usher in Islam for the UK – burkas to replace face masks?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

There’s no need to destroy the CofE. It destroyed itself a year ago last March. What remains is a cowardly, Covid-worshipping simulacrum.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well, I would say that happened many years ago – the current ABC has of course confirmed this ever since he was posted.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I suggest that all branches of Christianity in the UK have been doing a pretty good job of destroying themselves, and were well-advanced long before 2020. Of course, the CofE has done a more thorough job of trashing itself, in every possible way, from covering up the crimes of clergy to rampant “wokeism”. Christian theology and principles are almost extinct in what now sees itself as a sort of social workers’ club, but one which does nothing. Covid arrived as an added extra, and unlike worshippers, has been welcomed.

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Zoomer@14
Zoomer@14
3 years ago

These ‘Christians’ are part of the evil agenda. “To protect others”, what rubbish. THIS MEDICAL TREATMENT DOES NOT STOP TRANSMISSION

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Zoomer@14

Certainly doesn’t

https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/s19okqv0u?utm_source=ynetnews.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebook&utm_term=s19okqv0u&utm_content=Article

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dismalswamp
dismalswamp
3 years ago

Biden makes a strong case for vaccinating 12 year olds. I think he’s won me over 😀
https://youtu.be/cHWUyXPpVEQ

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wantok87
wantok87
3 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

It is frightening that these individuals have power over our lives

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

Let’s hope no-one lets him anywhere near the button – he’ll be pressing it to order room-service!

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wantok87
wantok87
3 years ago

Christianity has abandoned its basic teachings of Jesus where death is accepted as being only an interval to an eventual home in heaven, through faith. Discrimination by vaccination masks etc would suggest that these organisers have more faith in Whitty than they do in God

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7fonn7
7fonn7
3 years ago

This is another example of the pro-life position being hijacked by the new social justice puritans. If you hear a “Christian” talking about vaccines, free health care, open borders, etc. as being just as pro-life as opposing abortion, you know you’re dealing with a person/organization that will justify their views by any means necessary.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

Is this a true reflection of their faith in their god?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

It’s a true reflection of their abandonment of Christ and turning to the Covid devil.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
3 years ago

It seems that Christian leaders consider the unvaccinated to be worse than lepers.

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago

Prayerful shit , what a shower of conforming arseholes

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

And yet, to keep things moving in the UK, we are making some exempt from Covid, that’s ok then. They have allowed some of the Slaves freedom to Serve

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cloud6
cloud6
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

And freedom to infect thousands of others with this deadly disease. That’s ok then…
*?><&**!”^^>>>>,, The lunatics have finally lost the plot.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Are you saying its a deadly disease?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Yes. Freedom to infect others. Because that freedom cannot be taken away without denying autonomy over one’s own body, which is the most fundamental and basic freedom. Without that we have literally no freedom.

So I’m afraid, yes, I claim my freedom to infect others and respect the freedom of others to stay away from me or do whatever they need to do to themselves to make themselves feel safe. As long as it doesn’t involve imposing anything o me.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

The vaccines don’t stop people transmitting the virus

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

Dear churches, the so called vaccines do NOT make others more safe.
Read their labels.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago

I read this article last night: fascinating insight into the human brain around all of this. Religion = authority?

https://empathy.guru/2021/07/19/the-structural-memetics-of-masks/

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago

I had friends at school who talked about starting a band called UBM – short for Uncontrollable Bowel Movement.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

Matthew 19:14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

If I understand this article, the UBM has added the caveat “unless the little children have not been vaccinated in which case they should stay away”.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

There is a new religion — The Branch Covidians.

  • The politico-scientists are our priests, spouting forth their interpretation of the runes.
  • Covid is the devil, always present, always ready to corrupt.
  • Vaccines are our salvation.
  • Facemasks are our cross, protecting from the evil of covid.

But the most important aspect of all is faith. Faith that by following the rules evil will be kept at bay. Faith that our priests will stop the evil from corrupting us.

The old religions should be careful — they’re not playing with health, but with faith. One day those old religions will once again be in demand, because it’ll be clear that we’ve been worshipping false idols for too long. I hope that at that point the old religions can offer some solace to the afflicted, because it looks like they’ll be all we’ve got.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago

I presume you are unaware that all the current Covid vaccines are only possible because of abortion benefit, and that a number of Christians feel a moral obligation to avoid the vaccine.

I wonder if she realises just how many vaccines and other drugs make some use of fetal cell lines in their development? Including:

  • vaccines against rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis A, and shingles
  • drugs to treat haemophilia, rheumatoid arthritis, and cystic fibrosis
  • And President Trump’s favourite Covid treatment: Regeneron

References:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells

https://www.verywellhealth.com/regeneron-antibody-cocktail-stem-cells-5082031

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

She may not, but that doesn’t affect her argument. In fact if you inform her, I’ve no doubt, that like me, she’ll be opposed to using the vaccines you list.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Surely it affects any argument to make the consequences clear? If she is consistent, then she will refuse not only those vaccines but all those drugs and all future vaccines and drugs that are developed using cells from a fetal line. She may nevertheless decide that it is morally wrong to accept these treatments, but for others it may tip the balance.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I have only begun to realise this – thanks to the work of Robert F Kennedy Jr.

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ROBERT TROMANS
ROBERT TROMANS
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Essential site indeed for all sceptics: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/about-us/sign-up/

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Hello again,didn’t Jesus treat the sick unvaccinated? Doesn’t the church welcome without discriminating ? And should we have more faith in our own immunity than some man made product? When you consider that 40-60% of hospitalised covid patients are double jabbed and that the majority of covid infections are double jabbed it makes you think what’s going on. As I’ve said before if you look up the definition of a vaccine,then the covid vaccines falls far short. It’s claimed the covid vaccines are designed to reduce severe symptoms but if hospitalization is a sign of a severe symptom then again the covid vaccines fall short. The mistake the government is making is to put all its hopes in vaccination while ignoring the use of repurposed drugs. I believe the Indian Bar Association is taking the chief WHO scientist to court because she advised against the use of repurposed drugs in favour of vaccination. Remember the scenes from India was all a result of vaccination which triggered the last wave there. This as happened everywhere there’s been a rapid roll out of vaccines and what we are witnessing here in the UK, look up last year’s covid numbers with no vaccination and you’ll see the truth.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

Hi Derek

My point was simply that if you reject Covid vaccines because they used fetal cells in their development then to be consistent you should reject a lot of other things you might not want to reject.

I am delighted to discuss the pros and cons of Covid vaccines and address some of your specific points provided we do it from a position of mutual respect.

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

First I would like to say hello again and hope your well. As for mutual respect I believe you would do yourself a great service by NOT trying to rubbish people because they disagree with your point of view. It is not cool or enlightening and simply leads to announce. As I’ve said before I have no problem with vaccination I have taken many myself as well as my daughter’s have.
My problem is mass vaccination and the vaccination of children are we going to harm people for no real gain.
Your chance of catching covid is less than 1% while your chance of surviving is over 99%. So why vaccinate everyone it makes no sense to me and many well educated people.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

Derek

I absolutely agree that no one should rubbish someone because they disagree with their point of view. I would be extremely embarrassed if you can find any examples of me having done this.

I am also against the vaccination of children so I am not sure we have much to dispute!

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Sorry for delay but I am referring to links you sent me which seemed to rubbish doctors and scientists who have legitimate worries about the covid vaccines. The fact checkers are not unbiased as you seem to think and it’s this type of ridiculing censorship that is damaging any sort of trust. Not only in covid vaccines,but all vaccines as well as science and politicians.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

I am afraid I don’t know which links you are to referring to. Maybe you could post them?

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I don’t have the links but you seem to refer to Dr Tess Lawrie as some sort of quack. The link you sent about Dr Robert Malone the inventor of RNA technology ignores he got the ball rolling. To me it was like ignoring the fact that Alexander Fleming who discovered penicillin had nothing to do antibiotics, which anybody knows was due to other scientists. This is what I find annoying that doctors and scientists have legitimate worries and either being ignored or rubbished.
Dr Tess Lawrie points out in her letter that we now have enough information to halt the roll out of vaccines. The data she used comes from the yellow card system created to never again repeat the mistake of thalidomide. To give one example in a normal year 20 deaths occur due to vaccination,covid vaccination as caused over 1400 deaths so far in the UK. The yellow card system is doing what it is designed to do, warn us that the vaccines are unsafe. This is why governments should never make these vaccines mandatory. I have my own ideas why the covid vaccines are unsafe but I shall leave that for another day.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

Derek

I don’t think I ever dismissed Dr Lawrie as a quack or commented about her position on vaccines. As it happens, I strongly disagree with her position on vaccines (and was quite surprised by it, given her qualifications) but I don’t remember ever voicing that disagreement and disagreeing is not rubbishing. I have discussed my reasons for doubting the value of yellow card data in many places. Do you want to go over it again?

Robert Malone is a bit different. He is a shameless self-promoter and it is debatable how large his contribution was to the beginnings of mRNA vaccines. In any case he has not been involved with the field for 20 years. If we give him the benefit of the doubt about his contribution then he deserves respect, but that doesn’t mean he is authoritative on modern mRNA vaccines. If Fleming was alive now we would respect him for his original contribution but we wouldn’t expect him to know much about modern antibiotics.

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Dr Tess Lawrie made an observation that too much harm and deaths were being caused by the covid vaccines and that they should be stopped. If you took your argument to its logical conclusion we would still be using thalidomide. I believe this drug caused 10,000 limb deformities and was taken by millions of people. For all its faults the yellow card system is the best we’ve got at detecting drugs and vaccines that are harmful so why do you object ? You say you disagree with Dr Tess Lawrie views on covid vaccines without saying why ? Isn’t she and many other doctors following the principle ‘do no harm’ which is part of the Hippocratic oath when considering covid vaccines ? Lastly I believe we are standing on the precipice of a disaster similar to thalidomide not because we were not warned but because we chose to ignore that warning. I hope I am wrong because humanity really needs a break from all the fear which governments are using to terrorise us all.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

I don’t object to the yellow card system but you have to be careful how you interpret the data. It is a system for warning that there might be problems which then need investigating. It is not a system for proving there are problems. All it records is self-reported instances of problems which might or might not be connected to the vaccine. There are more of these reports for the Covid vaccines than for other vaccines (even allowing for the vast number of Covid vaccinations) but this is not surprising given

  • the massive hype round Covid vaccination
  • the fairly common and acknowledged short term side effects (feeling unwell for a day or two)

There are equivalents to yellow card system round the world and each one is monitored by the equivalent of the MHRA. We know they are doing their job because they picked up on the incredibly rare risks of blood clots from the AZ vaccine and heart inflammation from the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. None of them have found any more common serious adverse consequences from the vaccines (there have now been over a billion vaccine doses worldwide – so plenty of data to work with!). If you think there are large safety problems with the vaccines then that is equivalent to saying that all these organisations have simultaneously suddenly become either incompetent or dishonest.

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Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

You fail completely in recognising that they could be a problem with the covid vaccines. Last week the US equivalent of the yellow card system doubled the number of deaths caused by the vaccines. So thankfully there is people who recognise the possibility that these vaccines are causing problems. The big mistake governments have made is treating covid as just a virus that can be eliminated by vaccination. Many experts know covid is a blood disorder caused by the spike protein which for some people is devastating. With vaccines you are putting this toxin directly into people and getting all these problems. You can put your head in the sand and ignore this or do as many brave doctors have done and sort treatments. I suggest you look up Dr Peter McCullough.

Last edited 3 years ago by Derek Toyne
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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago

‘Ultimately we all have the same Lord to answer to….’

Not really, last time I looked my Lord wasn’t BigPharma, or a lying deceitful scientifical devoid bunch of Tyrants.

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Scientifically!

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7: 21-23)

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Gdog
Gdog
3 years ago

Don’t you just love the sort of person who believes that just being able to quote large chunks of the Bible make’s then Christian!! Oh dear think they may find judgment Day not quite what they were expecting!! Not sure they will be collecting their wings and halo anytime soon!!!

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Geoff Cox
Geoff Cox
3 years ago

The government have been so successful with the asymptomatic people can still pass on covid, that any group organising a social event will have to deal with more complaints from covid zealots if they put no restrictions in place and less complaints if they put restrictions in place.

I am longing for an organisation to go down this second route. And on that note, I’m delighted to see all my local shops and my local pub have removed all signs about masks and social distancing. I know large retailers have not, but it is a start.

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TheBigman
TheBigman
3 years ago

Just goes to show how hypocritical the church has become. No wonder we are in the mess we are in.
Pro-life but will require people to take an experimental vaccine with aborted tissue used to make it.

People should read the bible for themselves. It is all in there, and it becomes very clear that this is another way to drag down any resistance to the coming communist calamity.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

Much of the church has fallen away – it has apostasised.

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bleiddyn
bleiddyn
3 years ago

The writer is vindictive and she is a bit unfair.

A beach mission is a not Church service so the comparison does not hold. It is an outreach operation for which I think ‘sacrifices’ may be justified by those who lead (assuming that the abortion issue is not an absolute red line).  If it convinces anyone attending that they or their children are ‘safe’, and they hear the Gospel, that is a justification. It does not prevent anyone from hearing the Gospel or exclude other Christians from attending.

I have in the past (a long time ago) been a volunteer on UBM beach missions with Dr Verna Wright and Lance Pibworth, (the founders), and one of my brothers has taken his grandchildren to Mablethorpe for their beach mission every year for a number of years. This year it was cancelled – by the Council – on safety grounds. I would guess vaccination of workers (who are unpaid volunteers and not compelled to serve) is partly to impress seaside local authorities of their ‘safety’ credentials. Sad, but understandable.

The principle is ‘I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some’ (1 Cor. 9:22).  UBM is a small charity staffed by volunteers busy at this time of year preaching the Gospel. I sincerely hope that they will not now be bombarded with abusive messages after their email address has been given out.

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RosieP_83
RosieP_83
3 years ago
Reply to  bleiddyn

For those of us who can’t in conscience take the vaccine due to abortion benefit, we are being shut out of society. From September no more restaurants or large events, theatre, travel and possibly museums, universities or schools for our children. We may no longer be able to work in many sectors. To now see Christians begin to follow this path of segregation and excluding us and our children: the “unclean” is immensely distressing. I appreciate the people at UBM are lovely, kind sincere people but they can be sincerely wrong. Jesus was deeply against segregation of the sinners and the “unclean” and if UBM don’t repent, they will be setting a precedent in the church. I pray this might lead them to publicly repent of their stance for the sake of the gospel and the future of their organization which has been a great light for many years.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  bleiddyn

No, it is you who are being uncharitable. The organisation is expecting a young person who is at zero risk of bad health outcomes from the infection to take a dangerous and unethical experimental substance. UBM is in the same position as the churches who have gone along with all the lockdown tyranny. Desperately seeking to be friendly with the world they have put the lives of young people at risk and also betrayed Christ.

I sent them a respectful email of complaint as did the person who passed this story on to this site. I think it is you who are being malicious in talking of vindictiveness and abusive emails.

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bleiddyn
bleiddyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

There is a long history of missionaries putting their lives at risk for the opportunity of sharing the Gospel. So long as young people, or anyone else, go into this with their eyes open and are prepared to take those risks for the opportunity of serving Christ, I would not condemn them or UBM. Although in our 70s, my wife and I are determinedly unvaccinated. I bear no malice to anyone. If you read through the anti-Christian tenor of the responses this article brought, you would surely agree that there is a risk that some responses might well be abusive.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  bleiddyn

Nobody except we sceptics are taking that stuff with eyes open. If UBM were aware of informed consent they would tell young people about the experimental nature of the jabs, the risk of getting Covid at their age, the harms from the jab and so on.

Your analogy is rather weak. This is not like going to Africa in 1870 and evangelising despite the unknown risks. This is more like an American directing the bombing of Afghan kids and then telling his kids to go serve as missionaries in the Hindu Kush. There’s no requirement for anybody to take the risk of the shot, least of all vulnerable and impressionable young people. UBM are creating the dangers themselves.

And there is genuine undeserved hostility to the Gospel, and then there’s deserved hostility to institutions which go out of their way to harm people eg churches shielding child abusers and so on.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I’m not taking the stuff – but my eyes are open. I expressed myself very poorly

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

There may be good religious people but few good religious organisations. Probably means the good religious people are a minority. Anyway religion has always been an excuse for the worst of human behaviour.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

‘Anyway religion has always been an excuse for the worst of human behaviour.’

Unlike politics? Or the desire for land, wealth and power?

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Religion can be used as an excuse to cover these baser motives.

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RosieP_83
RosieP_83
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Religion has been used for much evil but the loudest voice against false religion is Jesus Himself. I spent many years disliking Christianity because of Christians I had met but when I read the words of Jesus and how he stood up for the weak, oppressed, unclean, children, orphans I realized he was the real deal. Also, I would add that united beach mission are a great organization that have been a light for many years. Hopefully this is just a blunder they will repent of. They are good people.

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JustCurious
JustCurious
3 years ago

As a Christian who’s done UBM myself, I just want to say that UBM are a committed group of volunteers, with a small office team, who spend hundreds of hours each summer offering free children’s activities, and speaking to interested people about the Christian message. Yes, I’m saddened by their stance, but given the censorship of medical professionals like Dr Mike Yeadon who are speaking out, I can partly understand why they have come to this decision. I have contacted their office expressing my concerns on ethical and health grounds.

In response to people’s comments below: if you had personally met the wonderful volunteers for UBM, you might express your disagreement less harshly. 

As a Christian, I find it interesting that the Bible prophesies a coming global economic system requiring everyone to take a mark on their forehead or hand if they want to buy or sell. We can see warning signs of this today, with Covid requirements and the push for a cashless society. But the good news is that Jesus is coming back soon, to bring ultimate justice and offer eternal life to those who have trusted him.

The way I see it, it’s important to grapple with the ethical and health implications of the vaccines, but it’s even more important to be sure you’re going to Heaven when you die!

For more info:
https://www.bible.com/en-GB/bible/114/rev.13.16
https://www.bible.com/bible/114/MAT.24.NKJV
https://www.bible.com/en-GB/bible/114/JHN.3.16.NKJV

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RosieP_83
RosieP_83
3 years ago
Reply to  JustCurious

Amen. From their email they seem like kind, caring sincere people. God willing, they will repent.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  JustCurious

But the Bible also foretells of a great falling away from the faith and a great deception leading to the destruction of many. (2 Thess 2)

The falling away is obvious, the great deception seems to be the pandemic and the destruction is, in my opinion, likely to be these gene therapies.

But prophecy is given for repentance not to act as Old Moore’s Almanac. I hope and pray that there will be repentance.

The thing about the current situation is that so many respected leaders have gone down this path. There is even a group on Facebook constituted largely of Christians here in the UK who have been thrown out of their churches because they spoke out about lockdowns, masks and vaccines.

We should always be charitable (1 Cor 13) but it is hard not to notice the role of many churches in rolling out the killshot.

Thank you for your post.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago

Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax gatherers. These were the outcasts of his day. He went amongst the sick and healed them. He turned no-one away, and told people not to be afraid.

I am disgusted that a so called Christian organisation wants to separate people into clean or unclean…..and that they will turn the unclean away.

I don’t think that Jesus would have done that.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

They should read the story of the leper priest

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Basileus
Basileus
3 years ago

The Jews of Jesus’ time were in league with the Romans and connived to have Jesus arrested and executed. The outcome, as Jesus had warned them, was the destruction of their city and nation. As Christians we need to be aware of the dangers of making the same error. The power of the state comes from God; as Jesus said to Pilate, ‘You would have now power over me unless it was given to you from above’.

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Gurnard
Gurnard
3 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

UBM is misguided. The relied upon “the best Christian and medical advice available to [them]” but failed to engage in research which could have resulted in much better “Christian and medical advice”. The organization suffered tunnel vision and could not look beyond “the narrative”. Very sad. As many others have said, may they repent and have a re-think. The work of this organization was blessed of God in past years. Now they’ve lost the plot.

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