Lord Sumption has written an impressive piece in the Telegraph criticising the Government’s application of the so-called “precautionary principle” (assuming the worst when there is little evidence) and highlighting that the extreme measures taken in the hope of reducing the Covid death toll should have been based on “good reasons backed by evidence” which they weren’t, obviously.
The “sunk cost fallacy” is a well-known source of distortion in human decision-making. A decision is made which has destructive implications. The limited benefits and immense collateral damage gradually become apparent.
It is next to impossible for those involved in the decision to change their minds. No one wants to admit that it might all have been for nothing, even if that is the truth. They have invested too much in the decision to reverse out of the cul-de-sac. So they press on, more to avoid blame than to serve the public interest. This is what has happened to governments across Europe and to the dug-in body of specialists who advise them. Their recipe is simple: if lockdowns haven’t worked, there is nothing wrong with the concept. We just need more of them.
The former Supreme Court judge points to the “Overview of the Evidence” published by the Health Advisory and Recovery Team (HART) last week, which he thinks is an impressive document. “We cannot contribute to the science, but we can at least understand it,” he writes. “Those who are unwilling to do even that much have no moral right to demand coercive measures against their fellow citizens.”
The HART overview concludes that lockdowns “must never be repeated”. They “serve no useful purpose and cause catastrophic societal and economic harms“. It calls for a return to the pandemic plans prepared over a decade for just this sort of event by the UK and other governments and endorsed by the WHO. They were based on two principles. Avoid coercion and don’t go for one size-fits-all measures like lockdowns when the risks affect different groups differently. They recommended balanced public health guidance, no border closures and targeted action to assist those who are most vulnerable. These principles were abruptly jettisoned a year ago. They were replaced by an untried experiment, which there was neither time nor research to consider properly.
Lord Sumption says that the HART paper covers three core points which the proponents of lockdowns have never been able to answer. These are: the availability of international comparisons which show no relationship between the stringency of lockdown and the level of Covid infections or deaths; the unwillingness of governments to confront the collateral costs of locking down; and the fact that the burden of the lockdown has fallen mainly on those who are the least vulnerable to COVID-19.
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…….or……because I don’t trust the bloody jab, or the people pedalling it; and because we only jab people for individual benefit, not for the greater good, and therefore I have the right to decide what does, or does not, into my body.
Yes, you have put your finger on it – so many indications over the course of 2020 that this was a shameless racket. This article is slight delusional – the author is wrapped up in his own status and essentially it is a class problem. How can someone like him be an anti-vaxxer he asks himself? Maybe people further down the food chain – less influenced by the social signposts – are the rational ones.
That’s it, so true. I think people who are still very invested in the establishment are definitely at a disadvantage in spotting bullshit/lies/propaganda, just like it says in the Bible! lol
There’s an enormous false superiority complex engineered to keep people in their places with their “superior” beliefs, failing to believe these things is linked to loss of status.
It’s a cult, but who’s funding it?
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The article was VERY long – I scrolled through a lot of the author’s personal angst.
Much more simply, to borrow the words of GB News Mark Dolan, the virus isn’t bad enough and the jabs aren’t good enough to justify mandating them.
That, and natural immunity is a thing and is the gold standard of immunity (imagine having that as opposed to having to turn your deltoid muscle into something resembling a pin cushion for ever after) and no risk of side effects or adverse events.
It’s remarkable and a sign of the distorted reality which we now live in that the onus is on the unvaccinated to account for their position. The opposite should be true; and when in conversation I’ve tried to ascertain from others why they chose to be vaccinated, they invariably give extremely weak and poorly thought through answers that display a real failure to do their own research or critical thinking. There is, as far as I can see, no reason whatsoever for anyone who is not extremely clinically vulnerable to get one of these gene-based prophylactics, and even if I was in this position, I would still say no. Recent revelations about Pfizer’s downright criminal ‘clinical trials’ only serve to underline what most of us could see instinctively. These products were developed to meet political objectives, not to benefit our health.
Good way to look at it. I’ve been reticent to get into those arguments, but feel prepared now on all fronts. I think the next time anyone asks “why not”, I’ll ask “why”.
Yes, and all of this is extraneous information when the central response should really be “none of your fucking business.”
Precisely. Why should anyone have to disclose their medical status to some good who is not medically qualified?
The part of the whole Djokovic case which really irks me is the fact that he didn’t want to publish his status, and by virtue of having to appeal their decision to deny him entry the Australian govt has publicly disclosed that he is unvaccinated. His business.
I have never worn a mask (through choice, not exemption) and have never been challenged until one occasion recently. 2 old biddies were behind me in Boots. One said to the other “I get so angry when someone doesn’t wear a mask” and the other replied “Yes and it’s worse when they don’t even wear a badge”. So I turned round, gave them my best smile and said “And I get very angry when 2 extremely ignorant idiots seek to pass comments on my decisions knowing nothing about my medical status”. Damn me but it felt good, seeing the shock and embarrassment on their faces
Your choice is your exemption; you’ve declared it. No one is allowed to ask why, except on pain of being done for harassment etc. P.S I’ve done the same sort of thing!
You’ll get the line “to protect myself and protect others” parrotted at you
Then they can’t explain how it protects others!
Exactly – your thoughts gel with mine. Getting jabbed can only be justified on practical grounds – in order to avoid persecution.
that is the truth!
The short, honest answer is that they are only following orders.
The people who orchestrated this worldwide hoax are laughing all the way to the bank.
sax to be them!
Just when you think things couldn’t possibly get any madder ….
safe sax (sorry!)
Without thinking about it.
Don’t forget, people had a year of psychological warfare inflicted on them in the form of lockdowns etc, so the vaccines were seen to be the “saviour” and way out.
For travel to the UK:
‘Fully vaxxed’ – no quarantine, pre-purchased LFT required.
‘Not fully vaxxed/unvaxxed’ – 10 days quarantine, 2 PCR tests to be pre-purchased from a ‘Government approved’ scammer.
Actually, I just made that up, because, really, “it’s all over”.
I don’t buy the ‘poor abused population’ narrative.
People went into lockdown far too willingly. Suspiciously so, in fact. What they thought would be a couple of weeks off work in the middle of winter seemed very appealing at the time.
They’re greed and short sightedness ended up opening a can of worms that two years later we are still very far from putting the lid back on.
If you let your government put you under arbitrary house arrest, you better make sure you are in real mortal danger, not just in the mood for a couple of weeks of downtime.
Fair enough. But at the time, we didn’t know what we do know. We saw 1,000 deaths a day, a threat of hospitals being overwhelmed, and a media insisting that something must be done. The fear narrative helped to stoke the vaccine narrative later on.
It’s interesting how bad our memories are. On the 23rd March when Boris Johnson placed the nation under house arrest, there were 76 deaths.
If the nation was so scared people would have stayed at home all by themselves.
As it happens, there is a stunning correlation between those who benefited from lockdowns (health care workers, teachers, white collar workers who could work from home, furloughed workers) and those who supported them.
I have no doubt that we will end up as dishonest about our “guilt” with respect to lockdowns as the Germans were about the treatment of Jews. “There was no way we could have known…” Yeah, right.
Yes I agree. How come some of us could see through this bs right from the beginning? I suspect it is more likely to be those of us who are perhaps more cynical about human nature generally…. a trait I was led to believe was unbecoming but actually has served me very well through the last two years.
As Stewart points out, we never saw 1,000 deaths from Covid a day – not even in the most fertile of imaginations.
I’m talking about psychological warfare for the first year. In that regard, they were reporting over 1,000 a day several times during April 2020.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom
Of course, in hindsight we can ask whether those were deaths from coronavirus, etc. However, this was part of the psychological warfare waged against the nation before the vaccines. If you saw through it from Day 1, more power to you. Most people did not.
Many of us gave them the benefit of the doubt. Personally when, two days after I had a blood test at the pharmacy showing a full covid antibody count, the government banned these tests, even threatening the pharmacy with closure if they didn’t comply, I knew it couldn’t possibly be true because it made no sense whatsoever.
The excuse given – “if people know they’ve had it they might stop wearing their masks” was utterly astounding. That was it for me around 18 months ago.
This has been my thought all along … someone ages on here talked about a philosophical truth that basically boils down to “if in doubt, do nowt” and it just makes so much sense to me.
Always say No before you say Yes.
I was asked by someone today why I “always had to do my research – why don’t you just go and have the thing?”
It is called due diligence. Would you buy a car without looking under the bonnet?
Yes indeed. That’s the influence of The Guardian, who have run a series of pieces on the stupidity of people who ‘do their own research’ predictably equating it with being a tin-foil hat wearer. An absolute inversion of reality.
It’s very time consuming – you should see the list of stuff I STILL have to research. But what is the alternative? Not doing the research and making a bad decision you can’t undo all the while saying your yourself “wish I’d read around the subject a bit more…
The reason to vaccinate is that if you are in the 65-74 year old age group, your risk of death is 65x higher than if you are in the 18-29 years old group (based on CDC numbers).
So if at that early senior age you wish to participate in a 2.7-4.9% death lottery (when you catch it, which seems pretty likely as well), then yes, there is absolutely no reason to vaccinate against it.
That fact is something which you claim not to see (probably because you’ve been successfully blinded to it).
You don’t need to explain yourself. You have a very low risk of Covid and an unknown risk from the vaccine. That’s enough. If you care enough about the approval of lesser people that you have to excuse yourself for not taking unnecessary medication then you’re already half lost.
“I don’t want the jab because fuck you”, is the only answer that needs to be given.
Exactly.
My response has always been the same: Your health is not my responsibility and mine is not yours. Never has been, never will be.
Simple. as. that.
Actually, “I don’t want the jab because fuck you” is the only answer that needs to be given even if the risk of covid is high and the risk from the vaccine low.
You either believe in bodily autonomy or you don’t. It’s not conditional on risk or efficacy.
Indeed – the risk factor is my own reason and my own business. Fuck you is my public stance.
“You either believe in bodily autonomy or you don’t. It’s not conditional on risk or efficacy.” This is key indeed and how it is embedded in international law. But people tend to forget that. Making bodily autonomy conditional opens up the risk discussion, but risk is often confused with the perception of risk. If perceived risk is then used to inform policy, the concept of bodily autonomy may be lost forever.
If you get jabbed to ‘protect others’ and you have a life changing adverse event where do you think the ‘others’ are going to be when you cannot function and need care, help etc.
It should be nothing other than a personal decision taken by each individual having assessed their circumstances and the risks and benefits to them – as it would be for any other medical procedure.
Your neighbours wouldn’t deign to ask you how your procedure for your piles went so they have no business asking you if you are jabbed or not.
These things have only been taken out of the ‘fiercely private’ arena and into the public one because the government has taken those matters there and has done so deliberately to create societal division and to hive off and isolate the unjabbed
Fair enough, but then be prepared to hear a reply “I don’t want you to enter my shop/travel on my vehicle/work for me because fuck you“. Which is pretty much the point we are at now.
Im not injected with their poison because I dont take health advice from war criminal scum completely devoid of a moral compass – HMG – and I dont let criminals inject me with experimental shit with a history of ONLY failure in animal trials. Also Pfizer has possibbly the worst criminal record of any company in history – including the biggest criminal payout ever – 2.3 billion dollars. Only a fucking moron lets criminals like this experiment on them. If Pfizer was a human it would be spending the rest of its life in jail.That HMG have hired such a lowlife outfit to inject the population is testament to how treasonous and good for nothing they truly are, and how our ABSOLUTE PRIORITY now is to get these criminals out of office once and for all, then put them all in jail for the rest of their lives, along with all their corrupt agents in the courts etc
Brilliant response. No messing, and so true.
Except when you are 65 years old, your chances might be more like “95%” safe not “99.8%” safe. I’m sure it’s a small enough difference to many/most dissenters though. They may be pretty dumb gamblers, but so are most people.
Excellent response, and so true.
(Just one thing… the word ‘odds’ is spelt the way I’ve just typed it, and not ‘ods’ – the way it’s spelt in your post above. Sorry, but correct spelling [and punctuation, grammar, etc] is important)
Too bad your risk from Covid is about just as “unknown” as from the vaccine.
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Absolutely love this. So sinister.
‘The Pied Piper of ‘Jabelin’…
I’m unvaccinated because
1) I don’t need it 2) other people apparently do and there isn’t enough to go around
so it would be selfish for me to have it
Why is an explanation necessary?
Exactly……
I’m Not vaccinated, just decided to wait and see, its experimental and has no liability, that makes sense to me.
That was my take initially – the Phase 3 trials were due to end in 2023 and I was going to wait until then at least to review the evidence. Now that I’ve seen the underhanded way Pfizer conducted their trials, and the abject failure of the drugs to contain the virus in any meaningful way, I can categorically say no – no need to wait until 2023.
Not to mention all cause mortality of the jabbed was higher than the placebo group (which was covered up!).
A sign to stay away from whatever it is.
Then they jabbed the placebo group to further obfuscate things.
Very sinister.
It’s such Wild West criminality and impunity that it’s almost as though they’re not expecting there to be a functional society left to hold them accountable when this is over.
And there may indeed not be. I was mulling this over the other day. I can remember at the outset of the ‘pandemic’ walking through my neighbourhood and wondering how many of the houses would soon be unoccupied when the people all dropped dead in the streets [as we were being led to believe at the time]. No one I know has died from covid in my area. But I’d wager that almost 99% of them are double jabbed and lining up their booster shots. Because it is for the common good. (this seems to be their reasoning). Now I’m wondering in maybe 5 years time, or even sooner, how many of these houses might be unoccupied because their owners have died from say cancer, or a stroke, or a heart attack after their 4th or 5th jab.
The thought has crossed my mind too. I think we’ll probably live in an era of generally declining health. The S1 spike protein is a perfect weapon because it can attack so many disparate parts of the body.
Four previously healthy people I know have suddenly developed strange “health” problems….. from skin problems to food intolerances that they have no explanation for. None of them have thought or suggested that it could be connected to the x3 jabs, but I am having my doubts – yet when I have mentioned it I am just met with a blank stare!
The only fly in the ointment might be that you are confusing your deluded beliefs (produced by years of reinforcement in echo chambers) with actual reality.
Here is some actual reality: https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good-2/
Everyone involved in this vaccine’s development, roll-out, and subsequent coercion to take should be in prison. Take a look; it’s fully referenced and refers only to Pfizer’s own data. I’m not delusional.
It is not reality, but another extremely biased source, see my earlier remark about “echo chambers”.
You certainly absorbed that info pretty quick. Or didn’t you really need to? I said it was referenced; it’s not conjecture it’s from the horse’s mouth and shows clear evidence of fraud. In what way is an alliance of Canadian medical doctors inherently biased?
The drug cartel deliberately destroyed the control groups. They cannot be prosecuted for mass murder, so why bother wiith safety trials?
It could be argued that Phase 3 will never be reached, as they are not following the sequence. This explains why: https:// http://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good-2/ (about 39 minutes long).
Me too. Decided to wait and see, didn’t like what I saw and decided not to get it.
Then I got a nasty case of Covid a few months ago (delta presumably), recovered, had an antibody test which confirmed I’d had it and got the antibodies.
So I now have even less desire to get vaccinated for a bug I survived, and have some form of immunity for.
But apparently naturally acquired immunity doesn’t count for anything in this topsy-turvy world.
I’m a pure blood and have had colds/flu over the past 2 years. I don’t test, but how do you get an antibody test?
Superdrug do them – if you feel like taking part in this psychotic social experiment.
Either antibodies, or T-cell assessment can be done – not cheap, but organisations like this https://www.independentinformation.co.uk/resources/t-cell-immunity-testing offer it. I did use them, which was actually via the Oxford Immunotec firm ( http://www.oxforddiagnosticlaboratories.eu ). Whether it’s meaningful to you, it’s up to you.
Makes me laugh how people are convinced the had ‘covid’ and not other respiratory disease. Just shows the level of brainwashing – even among sceptics.
They KNOW they “had it.”
Sorry to disappoint but I do believe I had a novel respiratory virus in July 2021 – the (only!) lateral flow test I have ever taken said positive and I only took it because of the oddness, not severity, of the symptoms. Profound loss of taste and smell was decidedly strange. I do think there is a GOF enhanced virus in the world, and I can’t ignore the brave and eminent scientists on our side who believe this too. I think its lethality has perhaps failed to live up to expectations…
> failed to live up to expectations
Failed to live up to design perhaps? Which may explain the panic on the part of states expecting something actually dangerous…
But the danger was the over-response.
Someone gamed it out.
Best to wait until the experimental details are published in full.
In 2076…
They’ve got to provide them in 8 months now, following court ruling.
Which must mean they’re giving western civilisation roughly seven months.
“The first thing you need to know about my mother is that she is one of the smartest people I know. And not in the typical ‘my mom is amazing because she’s my mom’ way, but in the ‘my mom was one of the first women in the world to get a PhD in computer science from MIT’ way.”
Yawn.
You’re easily impressed with shit writing, Toby.
Quite agree: it might be helpful on the Guardian, but why should anyone here be interested in a self-obsessed piece of half-baked writing.
Because it might perhaps possibly be effective material for waking up some fence-sitters, who may appreciate and warm to the almost deferential tone, the respectful and apologetic stance, etc, the reassuringly “nice” non-combatative attitude, the pedigree, ( MIT ), etc.
Anyone who is still sitting on the fence at this point is not worth bothering with.
This may be true. I thought about posting this essay to a fervently masked, vaxxed and obedient member of my family, or on my nearly dormant Facebook page, but on reflection couldn’t see it changing anything. It is perhaps almost too soft-focus to be of use.
It is perhaps just important comfort/reassurance for unvaxxed people who are feeling horribly at odds with the normal/herd etc, helps them to feel ok, because someone else clearly “acceptable” and rational/sensible is doing the same thing.
Unless you get paid for removing splinters from arses
How many fence-sitters come here, eh????
I’ve started sharing DS articles with friends and family recently and they’re actually replying or sending stuff back. So the answer is “definitely more than 1”. Maybe you could try making that number higher?
I fully agree Tee Ell. More and more people are moving towards the fence – let’s help them
War criminal Netanyahu went to MIT.
Writing seemed fine to me. Enough to make me want to read all of it.
I thought it was over long and rambly. He could have made it much shorter and possibly more effective by doing so.
Thanks 7 friends for reading his draft, lol! Apparently, none had a red pencil.
The whole drivel about mom was unimportant, but the article gets better in the later part.
It’s great to see more people coming out against these experimental drugs. But it doesn’t need to be so apologetic!
These drugs are: rushed using brand-new technology; inadequately tested (the RCTs were abandoned and ran far too short); liability-free for the manufacturers; have VAERS reports orders of magnitude larger than the sum of reports for all vaccines in recorded history; produced by companies with extensive lobbying capability and a history of abusing relationships with clinicians to push drugs; produced (in the case of Pfizer), by the company with the largest health care fraud settlement in history! $2.3B in 2009 https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history. The drugs are not worthy of your trust
Adding to this: there is blatant propaganda and censorship surrounding the drugs; the recent formal redefinition of what a vaccine actually is; no generally published / accepted health guidance (Vit D, outdoor exercise); no widespread use of early-stage treatments that are well-proven, and indeed active suppression of those treatments; finally there is immoral (and possibly illegal – Nuremberg) coercion by governments, especially to the young who do not need them.
These are not vaccines by any measure of the established, pre-2020 meaning of the word. These are experimental drugs with well-recorded, appalling side-effects. The fact that we’re in this situation of drug-pushing is pretty terrifying.
On Covid, there seems to be little mainstream rebuttal that SarsCov2 was engineered in a lab – regardless of whether it escaped randomly or was deliberately freed. Furthermore there’s written email evidence that out Lord Fauci via EcoWorldHealth was actually the person funding the work in Wuhan as a way to side-step US governmental restrictions banning the gain-of-function research! Why then, does this guy get to tell us all what to do via the CDC / NIAID? I pray this negligence because the all-too-obvious alternative is not worth thinking about.
I am not “unvaxxed”, I am drug-free.
Brilliant – thank you.
‘The drugs are not worthy of your trust’
Excellent summary.
If SARs COV II was manufactured, why doesnt the gene sequence appear in humans? Why did a virtual reality gene sequence need to be generated on a computer?
It did.
https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/212/10/isolation-and-rapid-sharing-2019-novel-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-first-patient
Center on “Methods” section. If it doesn’t have you scratching your head … you may be captured.
yeah? lets ignore the 7 million+ isolations done worldwide on nextstrain too.
Go to Andrew Kaufmans shop, he’s took down the $1500 1hr consultation with a medical disclaimer since being called out as a grifter by biologists he refuses to debate, now he sells magic resin at 40x the amazon price, and a magic wand to make your water magically healthy, then you mite be able to see the grift these people push.
When you get your day in court to avoid the mandated transfection, you better take some biology with you, because if you stand ther repeating the nonsense Kaufman and his circle jerk of patrion grifters spout, they’ll lock you up and take your kids. Good luck, you have been warned.
I can do without Kaufman’s coffee enemas. But there’s nothing terribly medieval that he recommends, having disavowed modern demonology, AKA: virology with it’s 17,000 papers alleging isolation of demons.
Also, if Kaufman is a grifter, we’re going to have to find a pejorative a whole ‘nother magnitude to define the massive wealth transfer accruing from the belief that other people are disease vectors. Kaufman is to boil as virologists and their ilk are to flesh-eating bacteria.
I’m giving you my ‘post of the day’ award. You said it FAR better than Toby’s guy did!
Drug free is the right description. Legal proceedings underway in USA to challenge the jab mandate on the grounds that it isn’t a vaccine it is a ‘medical treatment’ and as such cannot be mandated.
What is he talking about the vaccines are safe? The rest of the article is fine, but this element is just bizarre. I really cannot comprehend how anybody could do a sincere open-eyed deep-dive into the question of safety of these so-called vaccines and conclude that they are safe. They are not safe they are catastrophic by any measure. So for all the length of that article, it could have been much simpler. Why have I not taken this medical intervention? Well: is it safe, necessary and effective? No to the first, so stop right there.
As for the Trump-supporter anti-vaxxer sideswipe, it’s one or the other these days.
Agree. It’s as if the author knows that’s a subject that will frighten people, people who’ve already been vaxxed particularly, and fear often triggers/increases hostility and closes minds.
Good point. The problem with watering down the message so that it doesn’t trigger the intended recipient is that it becomes insipid and misses the point. Really, it’s the first and best argument for not taking the vaccines. Leave this out and the argument is really just waffle, as this one is. I mean, if the vaccines are perfectly safe, as this author has decided, well why not just go ahead and take it on the off chance that some good will come of it. Or to get into the cinema or whatever.
I think what he’s really dealing with is his relationship with his mother and his relationship with science. He’s got a unique twist on it there by the sounds in his own personal situation. So good luck to him. But I do think he is trying way too hard here, and his mother is basically right on it. Don’t take the vaccine what are you crazy. You literally don’t even know what is in it, let alone the effects of what we do know that is there.
So yeah, in this case, mother knows best.
I think you’re right. It’s interesting that he may have disguised his very rational but socially too dangerous to admit fears about the vax dangers as “taking a stand” because that sounds better/is more socially approved of.
This is the problem for me. The only person I’ve talked about this with is my best mate (I don’t have any close family). He was surprised/worried I’d declined the injections (I’m deaf, so much of our communication is facial expressions – I’d estimate that his facial expression was a mixture of surprise and worry). Anyway, he asked why I’d declined. “Because of the vaccine pass?”
“Yes,” I replied. “That trumps everything. Regardless of anything else, I’d say no for that reason. But …” And I had to hesitate here. “But this is hard to talk about with someone you know has had the vaccine – I am genuinely worried about it.”
He nodded, and we left the subject. I mean, we’ve been friends for over forty years, and that doesn’t happen without recognizing where there are hazards there’s no point steering investigating.
But as I said, this is the problem. The last thing I’d want to do is convince him of the dangers of something he can no longer do anything about. If these injections do reduce life expectancy, it’s not going to do him any good worrying about it through the preceding years. He means too much for me to do that.
You are right Paul. Wise advice.
I similarly don’t slag off the safety of the jabs to the triple jabbed people I know because they cannot undo it. And a part of me wants to because if it stops them going for jab 4 or 5 and ramping up the harms with every jab they get then I would like to alert them to the research. It is hard to have to sit back and watch loved ones queue up to harm themselves.
But I wish they would similarly respect my need to protect my bodily autonomy and not have it.
Agreed. Unless you think that they plan on having boosters, etc, and that if you can persuade them to not have any more that could make a big difference to their health?
Agree. More apologetics, not far from ‘I’m not an antivaxxer but……’
My experience is that explaining vax risk is the *only* way to change what people actually do. They may take on board all the arguments about C19 risk, vax efficacy against infection and transmission, early treatment etc but they still go off and get their booster. Vax risk is the ultimate taboo subject, so sometimes it’s necessary to warm people up with the other stuff first. Hard work I know. But if we don’t do it, who will?
Well, he is comparing safety of vaccine to safety of covid infection, and in that respect they are indeed “safe” for most age groups.
The trouble is related to the weak, or deliberate, misuse of common language. “Safety” is not binary in the real world, at least not in proper safety systems in engineering. Look up the term “Safety Integrity Level (SIL)”. Maybe medicine is a foreign country, though.
I think many of the long standing readers of this site will find the essay a wee bit patronising.
For most of us, when governments and public officials started behaving like a terrorists not just for our own good but BECAUSE it was supposedly for our own good, all the alarm bells went off and we didn’t need to do a scientific deep dive to realise something was terribly wrong.
Congratulations to the author for eventually getting to where many of us have been since March 2020.
This. ^^^^ It’s probably a good article to give to fence-sitters and covidians, and might perhaps have some salutory enlightening effect on a few of them, but yes, it’s still remarkably fence-sitter ish itself about vax-safety, ie the now well documented dangers of them, etc.
PS. Perhaps because the author knows that the vax lack of safety is a subject that will frighten people, people who’ve already been vaxxed particularly, and fear often triggers/increases hostility and closes minds.
Yep, for most of us on here, there is nothing new in this article to surprise us but it was written for your average normie who feels they have the right to probe you about your vaccine status, and who take it upon themselves, on behalf of humanity, to be shocked and butt-hurt because you WON’T take the shots!
Exactly Helena, he wrote it for his own blog for his friends and acquaintances/followers, so it’s a bit hard to complain that it’s patronising just because this site is full of people who are already onboard with the scam.
Precisely.
Robert Malone being interviewed tonight on Dan Wooton’s GB news show. Should be worth a watch.
Thanks – noted!
Stewart, you are right that at heart of this vaccine rejection are trust issues, but you have to consider that it may simply be that a small fraction of individuals simply have inherently low trust (as an extreme example, think paranoid people). So invoking lack of government trust as the main decision factor is a very weak argument against any government measure.
Finally, those same people who declare deep lack of trust as the main reason for their rejection, paradoxically often trust the same regulators in other ways (e.g. they trust regulation concerning food safety and don’t insist on growing by themselves everything they consume).
My point is that we should argue not about trust, but about morality/ethics: “Is it ever right to ever an unconsenting individual into undergoing a medical treatment? Under what circumstances? Should it at all depend on reasons for the lack of consent? Does the current situation warrant such extreme breach of hitherto universally agreed moral code?”
the jury is still out on the pyramids.. i think her mom might have been right about that too!
Didn’t they find a boat near the Pyramids recently?
Everybody knows the Pyramids were the landing bases for the Goa’uld spaceships.
The suppression of treatments was enough to turn me off the vaccine.
Yes it was one of a hardware store’s worth of nails in the coffin for me too.
‘I’m unvaccinated too!’
I’m a 60+ old man with severe heart disease.
I’m the global lead in training of complex, high-value defence lifecycles and have trained over 25,000 practitioners in advanced risk management techniques.
Simply, for the vast majority of us, the high risk of injury from vaxxing heavily outweighs the benefits.
It’s very simple for me. The virus is no big deal – it has been grossly inflated by the media and politicians. When people lie to me, they never so so for good reasons. I do not trust them, I do not trust their motives, so I do not trust their “vaccine”.
I could go into more detail – eg the Pfizer trial data – but it isn’t necessary. I reached my decision on principles, not data.
An interesting read from an individual’s perspective.
A couple of observations that are revelatory for our current tumultuous times.
1/ It’s now apparent that you, as an individual, are expected to explain your inalienable right to your bodily autonomy and the considered decisions that you make as a sentient being in relation to that autonomy.
2/ Despite copious amounts of relevant qualifications, university degrees, PhDs and confirmation of your cerebral capacity that you can stick on the wall, it’s now blindingly obvious that the vast majority ( who seem to exist in a critical thought desert) need fucking check up from the neck up!
Very good, and horrible/alarming, point ref having to justify bodily autonomy.
We are still in the middle of the war and it is difficult to pierce the fog
At lunchtime on the first day of the Somme it was reported that the battle had been a huge success with most objectives taken
The Indiana Insurance Actuaries report a 40% increase in adult deaths. I’m going to assume for the moment that those death are largely attributable to the ‘vaccines’. I may be wide of the mark on that one but we may not know until the war is over
What if that increase also applied to the UK?
In the UK we do not yet have the total figures for deaths for 2021. In the UK we have not yet had a full year of ‘vaccination’
I have taken 2019 as a baseline when there were 531,000 deaths from all causes. A 40% increase on 2019 would amount to an additional 221,000 deaths.
In my opinion ‘covid’ deaths are monstrously over recorded whilst there is little or no recording of vaccine injury deaths
Italy initially recorded ‘covid’ deaths similar to the UK
An Italian University has since revised that countries ‘covid’ deaths down to 13,000
Still can’t see the big picture through the fog but we may find out that for every ‘covid’ death there are 35 ‘vaccine’ deaths.
Not sure your figures are really valid as the Indiana Insurance report, as far as i understood it, was related to the deaths of people aged 18-65, ie the working population since these are life insurance policies taken out by companies on their staff. So you’d need to categorise the ACM numbers by age to make them comparable.
I am afraid I found Zue’s argument unvonvincing. There is no scepticism other than of the motives of governments (not a bad thing in itself) and his final argument seems to be based on pig-headedness, not rationality.
His final argument is about principle rather than ‘pig-headedness’. I could understand if your criticism was that he has moved from pure rationale towards an element of ideology but it seems to me that you’re not being rational in your brief assessment. On balance taking a stand on sound, well reasoned principals is completely rational.
Am I irremediably over-critical? But I sense here a sort of guilt expiation at doing the bleedin’ obvious against the trend. An over-compensation.
The fact is that there is no reason to get vaccinated – which is why I, as an old fart with lots of co-morbidity am not.
In fact – there is every rational reason not to do so, ffs! – starting with
(a) the risk from Covid is moderate to low (despite the contrary propaganda) – even for old farts.
and
(b) sticking a novel experimental therapy in the arm after abandoned/curtailed safety testing is a ludicrous idea.
and
(c) especially when scant ARR data shows a risk reduction of ~1%
and
(d) absorbing a clotting agent when on blood thinners
… need I go on???
One might also mention that Pfizer has been outed as a criminal enterprise, being handed the largest fine in corporate history. J&J is similar, and Moderna has never produced a mass distribution drug before.
Many of the victims either know this, or wouldn’t be surprised to learn this was so. Such is the mass formation and fear response. They are wilfully acting against their own interests.
I haven’t come across anyone who knows these details other than blogs like DS where they are freely aired.
Me neither, most are blissfully ignorant of even blindingly obvious vaccine injuries even in their own social circle.
And yet whenever I hear that ‘X’ has got ‘Y’ condition – I’m thinking “jab injury?”
My wife and I generally shoot a glance at each other every time one if our friends or relatives mention someone they know with an inexplicable and sudden medical problem. Which happens a lot!
It is bleedin’ obvious – and we shouldn’t be gaslighted into providing worthy explanations. They don’t make sense even on their own terms.
I’m unvaccinated!
Searing for data on a possible pandemic virus from the beginning, I was lucky to find DRASTIC early on, the search for the source of the virus put me in the middle of a very interesting detective story. This exposed me to all the coronavirus research that had been done over the last ~20 years. I couldn’t get enough of it, 10+ hours per day reading, I didn;t expect I’d still be at it 2 whole years later!
They had been trying to develop a pan-corona vaccine for 20 years, nothing they tried had worked. Some promisng candidates were trialed in animals, it protected them from the virus and looked very successful, but when these animals were exposed to the virus again, they all died, this was the first time I’d ever heard of ADE.
ADE was a deep rabbit hole, I read paper after paper trying to understand it, it’s a very complicated area. At the time I was following Jonathan J Couey, a broad based PhD biologist who was specialising in neurobiology at UPitt.
He had a Youtube channel (JC on a Bike – short for Journal Club not jesus Christ) where he would talk about the latest papers while communting home from work as a bench scientist on his bike. I like smart people. Anyone who can talk about very complex subjects off the top of his head from first principles in such a way as to teach, rather than preach, while cycling home in traffic is a very smart person.
JC was a reviewer on Yuri Deigins paper, the one exlpaining the furin cleavage site in the spike protien. He did a youtube video talking about it, his boss at UPitt told him (he didn’t ask him) to stop posting to youtube on the subject (I later learnt UPitt recieved GoF funding). JC refused to stop his youtube activities, and subsiquently got suspended, then fired. Fired for talking about science on youtube? What?
JC also got strikes on youtube for this content. I thought something is seriously wrong here.
He then started to stream on twitch, discussing immunobiology from first principles. Nobody I have come across in the mainstream teaches this from first principles, they all preach. They all preach a dumbed down version of biology, so dumbed down it is completely wrong. Antibodies do not equal immunity from coronavirus, period.
JC covered Andrew Reads paper on Mareks disease in chickens, the ‘leaky’ vaccines (that don’t stop transmission) caused the virus to mutate into a more pathogenic form, this is completely opposite to the normal evolution of respiratory viruses, whereby they become more transmissable but less pathogenic over their normal course of evolution.
Clearly the global policy decision to vaccinate the entire global population with a known leaky vaccine is the most dangerous policy adopted by humanity.
This is before we discovered the spike protein it’s self is cytotoxic, I fear this will be disasterous for the human race in the comming years, the latest research does not look good for those who got the vaccine. The long term implications for immunodeficiency diseases, Cancer, nerurogenic diseases, blood disorders, and the effects on the heart look catastrophic.
Not to mention the unknown unknowns.
The Covid vaccinations, and the pandemic policies enacted by global governments, are clearly the biggest mistake in a long line of disasterous mistakes ever enacted by the human race.
Yes, I’m unvaccinated. And refusing the jab is the hill upon which I die.
Excellent – many thanks
Thank you.
I think you’re being optimistic putting it down to a mistake.
You are right. I was being over generous, but it was getting a bit long already.
It’s clear from reading all DRASTIC research they have been looking for an oppertunity to convert immunological science into the church of mRNA treatment for years.
I’m more convinced it came from the work at UNC (see “vaping disease” in NC with remarkaby similar symptoms to covid-19 including chest x-ray pathology ~sept 2019) with the World military games as the super spreader event, at the same time they were tabletopping the response during event 201, than it came from the WIV.
This is also punctuated by the ovbious coverup by Fauci et al of their intellectual, financial, and regulatory involvement in GoF research from day 1.
And this vocalising of the globalist eugenics mindset undelines all of it
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/tyranny/the-stupid-will-believe-it-and-ask-to-be-treated-pandemic-to-depopulate-1981/
The “Mistake” is that we allowed them to do it. Another mistake is that we will allow the to get away with it.
Is it now possible to follow JC?
Sure, he did a long 2.5hr stream last night, he’s also covering news items etc. so you can skip forward to the point he has actual papers on screen using the scroll bar, if you register a twitch account and subscribe you get an email when he’s live, the streams are only archived for a week or so.
JCs website, his review paper is very good https://gigaohmbiological.com/
last nights stream: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1258665333
twitter: https://twitter.com/jjcouey
since he’s been sanctioned on youtube he’s a bit more careful about what he’s going to post on there, but here’s some of the early videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/JConabike/videos
Thanks for this. A long read, but worth it. Regarding your surprise at the attitudes in the US:
I use a VPN to access the internet via the US (chosen through a process of elimination, ie the US was the least bad option). With a UK IP address I’m constantly asked to agree to terms and conditions before I can continue. In Canada I’m bombarded with woke ads that evade the ad blocker. The downside of the US is extreme polarisation of opinions.
For example, I decided to answer a questionnaire one time on Covid, but ran out of stamina as the questions were all about politics. Basically before continuing I had to state whether I agreed or disagreed with Donald Trump.
Even on a topic like Covid and vaccination, answers have to be pigeon-holed into political affiliations. The UK is on a similar path, but hopefully we’re nowhere near as polarised as the USA.
install ‘uBlock Origin’ and ‘AdBlocker Ultimate’ to your browser (firefox seems to work best) to stop all that annoyance.
uBlock can be quite complicated beyond the default settings, there’s a privacy focused youtube channel called ‘The hatedone’ that can walk you through it and help you control your metadata as well as the annoying shinanigans of big tech
I’m using Firefox 95.0.2 at present.
What a load of waffle.
He also said, “For kids Covid was as dangerous as the flu”.
Nonsense. Influenza is far more of a threat to children. Of course, he probably used ‘flu to mean a cold, which lots of people do, like people saying they have a migraine when they mean a normal/bad headache. If you have either, influenza or a migraine, you are virtually incapacitated.
I have some friends who said ‘I had covid really badly’. When I ask if they went to hospital they say ‘no, but I did feel rough for a couple of days’
Another fried says ‘its just flu’. I say “were you bed bound?” – “no just a bit tired” etc
My daughter was hospitalised for a chest infection for a week as a baby – that was ‘really bad’
If you aren’t in hospital with supplemental Oxygen – you got ‘it’ mildly – whatever ‘it’ was.
People have no sense of perspective
Yes, it’s quite weird how distorted many people’s perspective on illness is, so not that surprising that so many people seem to genuinely believe that they need to take LF tests etc in order to “find out if they are ill”. As if people can’t accurately or usefully assess their own bodily state anymore.
Quite. I think I had it over Christmas. Felt rough enough that I stayed in bed for a couple of days, then it began to tail off. This is basically what you would expect for a heavy cold / mild flu. In no way does it justify all the paranoid hype, nor does it justify any action other than ‘stay at home until you feel better’. People need to get a grip!
I had flu, then my immune system crashed and I got quinsy, which nearly killed me with sepsis.
Intravenous metronidazole in 5 mins, after a 6 hour wait in A+E…
NHS is mostly shite.
I was talking to a passing acquaintance a few days ago. He sombrely told me that (whisper) his neighbour had covid. “He’s at home but he’s not very well”. I didn’t react with the look of shock that seemed to be expected. I just said “Oh, presumably if it’s Omicron it’s no worse than a cold”. At this the chap said “Not sure about that….I understand the new variant affects the throat and nose”. “That’s what I mean, it’s nothing more than what we used to call a cold” was my retort. The look on the chap’s face as his brain tried to compute this truth bomb was priceless.
This ^^^^^ I noticed that aswell, and thought if that’s what he says about dangers of co19 vs flu to children he doesn’t know as much as he seems to think.
The nonsense is that covid is the flu. Look at flu figures over the last 18 months – it all but vanished, yet mortality rates stayed the same as usual, except for the spike due to midazolam murders and lockdown deaths.
I’ve been taking the piss on social media for a year about the bashful scientists that have cured the flu hiding their respective light under a bushel.
That said, there IS a very different respiratory illness in circulation. in 2013, roughly at this time of the year myself and the other half were both struck down with a very nasty flu. it was absolutely horrible for us both (except for farming out the kids to relatives because we couldn’t look after them), but as we’d both had lesser flus before we knew eventually we’d get through it but it took us around month to shake it off.
boxing day 2020- i started to feel a bit off, over a few days felt worse and developed a constant cough.24/7. I didn’t sleep at all for 16 days because of the constant coughing giving me a constant headache, couldn’t eat for a two weeks.I wasn’t especially ill beyond beingpissed off by the effects of that bloody cough. At my lowest point I was actually researching buying an Oxygen cylinder and mask and I was worried that the fucking cough would never get better.
During that time the Mrs developed all of the “classic” covid syptoms and she was in much worse a state than me- as ill as she’s ever felt. Neither of us had an illness that was anything like the flu and it took us both around a month (again) to fully shake off all the effects.
Start of December this year someone I know (who happens to be an enormous fat fuck-so I was worried for him) went through an almost identical illness to the one I had. He’s jib jabbed to the hilt so that worked out well for him! He’s still not 100% now.
There is a full fat nasty of some kind out there and it isn’t a flu. I bet it’s killed a few maybe 10000 at best. That said I was sceptical of the official bullshit from March 2020 and catching a dose never changed that outlook.
I ‘came out’ to a family member last night, he just assumed I was one of them, shock horror
Yes, a vol work colleague was talking triumphantly about how the driver of a bus she was on had turfed someone off/refused to carry someone not wearing a mask because they didn’t have an exemption badge and when I said that was discriminatory and cruel she said that he should have had a badge, and then added, “he probably wasn’t even vaccinated”, to which I replied that the vax doesn’t prevent transmission etc, as declared by B Johnson himself, at which point she muttered that she wasn’t one to argue about this sort of stuff and walked off. But I was struck by her saying that the person “probably wasn’t even vaccinated” as if that was the very least/the minimum required of anyone respectable, and that she may have assumed it about me too.
The replies are strange, my relative went into an explanation of, have to say none of his family had had any bad reaction to the jabs, he had a cold but that happened after the flu jab too, almost like they have to justify being jabbed.
I watched my own well-read, highly educated sister perform similar cognitive gymnastics in her attempts (unprompted) to account for her choice. It was a depressing sight.
100% ditto ^^^^
My SO is having major cognitive dissonance about the medical issues with clotting that occurred post jabs!
Oh god – I’ve seen plenty of that too!
Boris Johnson on boosters – YouTube
Save the link and show them!
Doesn’t stop you catching
Doesn’t stop you transmitting
Doesn’t lower viral load
Now doubles chance of testing positive!
Put a drawing pin on her chair.
I liked this essay. But this declaration of principles towards the end was disappointing:
“The world I want to live in is a world where we make and enforce rational, evidence-based policies based on the good of the population. A world in which we defer some autonomy to individuals to make their own decisions regarding their health, and don’t keep them from going out to dinner or getting on an aeroplane if we disagree with them.”
Should we “enforce” the advice of doctors? Sweden advised but did not enforce and most people took the advice. It seems to me that, with very few exceptions e.g. quarantine for serious diseases, governments force health policies on the public when other ends are intended or bureaucrats are scared. If the advice is sensible, or even overly cautious, and the public trust doctors, which they do, then the public will follow advice without being forced to.
That’s small fry compared to this: “we defer some [!] autonomy to individuals to make their own decisions” What vision of the world is this? Sadly, it seems very close to the present, where the British and American people are managed by benevolent (we hope) public health experts, fact checkers and politicians, who chose to grant us small degrees of liberty at their pleasure.
Until very recently, people still believed that it was important to care about freedom and liberty, even if neither could be perfectly realized in practice. The right to bodily autonomy should be respected as much as possible. To live in a free society we must have liberty despite the danger or discomfort that reasonably exercised liberty results in. It’s more than about “going out to dinner or getting on an aeroplane”.
Sweden advised but did not enforce and most people took the advice.
That’s a key point – Sweden didn’t need to enforce because it has a population who revere their government. Nations have acted according to the cultural and sociological nature of their population. The outcome and endgame are unfortunately the same.
So right. Sweden is a proud technocracy.
Yes, indeed, very woke-lefty-liberal agenda/philosophy! No wonder he says he’s unvaxxed because he’s taking a stand” and not because of possible dangers thereof.
I’ve concluded that the article is in the wrong place.
It needs to be posted in a site that is read by people who think that those who went to university are clever and those who didn’t aren’t; people who will be really impressed by someone who went to a place like MIT and agree it’s a prerequisite for deep critical thinking. Somewhere like the Guardian.
I’m assuming most readers of the DS know by now that if you have a bachelor’s or master’s degree, the chances are you have an inflated sense of how clever you are, a depressed ability to think independently and very little awareness that the main ability you’ve demonstrated is the ability to jump through hoops.
Not all, obviously, but on the whole…
lol This!
I’ve resisted because I could see that the people working the fear porn machine 24/7 were the same people promising salvation through the jab. Well, two jabs, actually, And you may need – whoops, no, you WILL need a booster… Familiar story to all here, I dare say.
But I believe the awakening may be further along that we suspect. Youtube hiding dislikes; mainstream media deleting comments – when they allow comments at all; even those stadiums full of Americans shouting FJB. We can’t see the size of the wave because we’re a part of the wave. The other side can see the wave, and it scares them.
Reminded me of being in a casino in Las Vegas; don’t know why – but if you’re familiar with such places, the lack of daylight, no clocks etc, the temptation carry on, might make sense.
I followed the three standard questions you should ask before accepting any medical intervention
I couldn’t answer yes to any of those, judging by the clinical trial data.
You and Zev Zelenko (and probably many others with brains left)
I’d put “Do I need it?” as the first question and I’ve found that you rarely need medical treatment if you give it long enough for the body to heal itself.
Paranoid conspiracy rant warning: I see the so-called vaccines as a tool of destabilisation. They are inherently polarising thanks to years of baiting with reductive terms like ‘antivaxxer’, so they are natural creators of division, which is what everything these past 5+ years in our culture has been about. They seem designed to put us in opposing and firmly entrenched camps. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the propagandists flip the script sometime soon and admit they have caused terrible harm, leading to a flood of hostility and lawsuits thus bringing down governments and paving the way for global governance.
I think you could be right.
The push to boost and withdrawal of slave privileges for those that don’t want to creates more and more on ‘our side’ so that by the time the floodgates open, society will be a roughly 50/50 split. Job done.
I think your conclusion is short sighted tbh. I think they will never admit it, they will normalize the joint flu-corona vaccine and advise everyone gets it at least annually.
If you want to go down the ‘conspiracy’ road, you only have to follow the words of the globalists themselves to understand their eugenics mindset, and their ultimate agenda.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/tyranny/the-stupid-will-believe-it-and-ask-to-be-treated-pandemic-to-depopulate-1981/
OK – might be. Can’t quite stretch to the depopulation agenda. A ‘crowded’ world was providing all the earthly riches any self-respecting billionaire could possibly want, why open themselves to the extreme risk of exposure by implementing a plan like this? I fully acknowledge that this might be denial!
Rent-seeking does depend on artificially raising population density, so depopulation does seem against their own interests.
The ‘virus’ is the excuse, the jabs are the method, they can avoid the jabs. Make them annual and they can control the numbers with adjustment to the recipie. It looks like they’ve been studying dosage already with Pfizers 5% of batches being rolled out in stages of toxicity. This is the data gathering stage of depopulation.
The ‘Billionaires’ are underlings, the real men behind the curtain at the BIS don’t need money. They’ve been peddling the ‘overpopulation’ meme since Malthus in the 1800’s.
Eugenics got a bad name from their men in the early 20th century so they renamed all the ‘eugenics societies’ into more familiar names, ‘planned parenthood’ in the US, and ‘The Welcome Trust’ in the UK (who have their hands on the control strings of 2% of global scientific research). Fauci et al control 70% of global science research funding!
CBDC with a central private ledger is not the same as regular crypto currency, it’s programmable money that can be programmed to have a use by date, negative interest rates without the possibility of bank runs, ringfenced with GPS, and linked to a social credit system to keep the cattle in the right field. A global financial crash of the money system and UBI will gaurentee it’s uptake. This is what the “vaccine passports” are about, they have digital wallet tech built into the backbone ALREADY.
They talk of AI and robotics taking over 80% of jobs by 2030, they don’t need us, they reffered to the surplus population as “Rats” at a recent WEF presentation.
This is the way they think, it may be hurbis, but that doesn’t alter their mindset.
“You will own nothing [because they will own everything] and be happy [or else]”
There was a video of the presentation where he equated the surplus to “rats” (to much applause and sniggering from attendees) but I can’t find it, here’s a WEF article discussing the presentation.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/yuval-hararis-warning-davos-speech-future-predications/
It’s sobering stuff.
It’s the demographic time bomb. It’s no longer in the future. It’s already exploded. If They want their agreeable way of life to persist, then life expectancy everywhere – China, Germany, everywhere – has to be reduced, starting yesterday.
There seems to be a push on the concept of a joint flu-corona vaccine. So even if the ‘pandemic’ is declared to be over there will still be advice to take a generic vaccine to prevent a recurrence.
The irony is that it appears to be the case that the jabs have destroyed people’s immune systems to the extent that they may well need some sort of booster once or twice a year in order to reduce the risk of serious illness caused by all sorts of common viruses – even what used to be relatively harmless for most. It’s a win/win for Big Pharma and, sadly, a hamster wheel for all the vaccinated people.
Indeed. I’m sure the push to ‘vaccinate’ absoloutely everybody, is to eliminate the control group.
I completely agree.
“There seems to be a push on the concept of a joint flu-corona vaccine. So even if the ‘pandemic’ is declared to be over there will still be advice to take a generic vaccine to prevent a recurrence.”
There certainly is.
I was talking recently to a friend who works in NHS. They told me that they were being advised to get their covid booster and flu shot together because getting them both at the same time gives “extra” protection against covid.
I very much doubt that that medical professional did any research off their own bat regarding that advice, but since the jabs don’t stop you getting or passing covid on I don’t see how combining it with a flu jab would have that effect.
I’m actually vaccinated because I caught Delta.
You cannot get vaccinated (real definition) with the jab!
You know what, I don’t actually care why, his mum seems incredibly ordinary, in regards a “naturalist” liberal.
To vax or not to vax is his business, I wouldn’t dream of trying to influence his CHOICE, it’s only a shame he doesn’t reciprocate.
Thankfully I realized this early on at the start of the book, so I didn’t read it all because it really wasn’t worth reading in full, maybe iv’e just got a short attention span, but don’t expect pro-vaxxers to read it either, it’s way too long.
I think the people who’ll read all of it and be grateful for it are the unvaxxed who are feeling unconfortable and isolated amongst their “normal” vaxxed families and friends.
Yes, it’s all very middle class liberal, the need to justify one’s every move in the ant farm. It is one of the main reasons I hate socialism.
The article oozed schizophrenic liberalism. The irony was calling himself a contrarian, the definition of contrary appears to have significantly changed recently, another thing liberal’s like to do.
Not that it’s any of my business, but I could have sworn Toby previously claimed he’d been jabbed. His presentation of the article above states twice that he hasn’t.
Yes, I was surprised by that too. I thought he’d said something to that effect about a trip abroad, to Italy or Greece or Switzerland or something. Or it may have just been implied.
Indeed, curious, but then we may be suffering from Long Covid.
True story: A friend of my 15 year old son asked me about whether or not he should be jabbed. I took about an hour to lay out for him why there was absolutely no need for him as a healthy teenager who had already had the virus, to even consider it.
The day arrived and he was hauled out of class to the sports hall where he attempted to explain himself (I’ve no doubt quite badly!) to one of the nurses. He was taken into a side room and told “everyone will have to have one, so you’ll need to get one eventually and if you want to travel and see the world, you’ve no choice really.”
THAT is what we’re dealing with. They’re not even being given as medical treatments, they are being given as entry tickets to a dystopian future.
When that happened he should’ve recorded the name and NHS number of the so-called medic for a future legal trial.
Hope he still refused? Did you put in a complaint? That sort of coercion of kids is absolutely disgusting
A written notice of liability would be more suitable!
No he was jabbed. Nearly cried when I heard.
And the ‘nurse’ from Virgin Health Care got another £10 in her wages.
I can imagine, but at least you tried your best – what more could you have done beyond accompanying him to the jab fest and standing in between him and the ‘nurse’. Which wouldn’t have been permitted.
Something in the procedures has to change if a vulnerable teenager can be put under that kind of pressure. A 15 year old struggles to decide on a daily basis what flavour of bag of crisps they want to eat, never mind make a reasoned decision about a medical intervention which cannot be undone.
Here’s an essay I wrote on my vaccination status:
Tell the vaxophiles to read Kennedy’s recent book – it’s quite long but is clearly written and fully referenced. I don’t see how anyone could remain pro-vax after getting to the end of that!
Yep TY should seek permission from Kennedy to place an extract on the DS site.
It’s a well-argued piece, but i think it’s audience is primarily “normies” who’ve barely begun to question.
True, but that means its up to us to share it with the normies.
Good point. I feel there’s a huge gap between people who’ve dug into this and those who haven’t, and that creates serious problems in communication (when you’re not reading from the same page).
Belgian essayist Éric Verhaeghe explains why extreme public hatred is being mobilised against us:
The Great Unvaxxed: the control group that Big Pharma must eliminate at all costs
Will the UK do the same? If it is a global policy they will have to.
Yes, of course. There are different approaches being adopted in different nations (each according to particular circumstances and national psychology) but at some point, all the totalitarian policies will converge. Globally, we’ll have purely digital money, digital ID, personalised microchip, confiscated properties, house arrest with no access to services for all refuseniks, and finally internment camps (from which the internees will never return).
Scientific consensus gives me an ulcer.
(A science joke)
Unsure why this is a surprise, ie someone with a brain decides not to get jabbed by an experimental, dangerous, useless drug that lowers your immune system and appears to shed the virus – when natural immunity is a sure thing and there are known cheap, safe treatments if (big IF) you happen to need them. But no-brainers seem to be the flavour of the century.
I’m vaccine-free too. It’s not complicated as to why. Simply down to a complete mistrust of government and big pharma. When they threaten mandating and all the evidence is that it’s not for health benefits, clearly it’s not in our interests.
A very interesting and well reasoned argument. As I am unvaccinated I agree with it, could be confirmation bias but I think he makes his points well. When I look at the vitriolic comments that come from people like Andrew Neil or the govt I am quite pleased to be unvaccinated. I really would not like to be on the same side as people like that.
Pretty well matches my own unvaccinated journey. Thank you for posting it.
Just read it and thoroughly enjoyed his story.
Can anyone just confirm who is the “I” in the introduction to the article? Is that Toby Young, as I thought he had been vaccinated.
I wondered that too but I wasn’t sure if TY had ever passed comment alluding to his own ‘vaccine’ status. The article is ascribed to TY. The “I” you refer to repeats that point a number of times, both in the introductory para and at the end of the DS piece.
Our ‘wonderful’ NHS are now offering to those they consider to be at high risk two alternative ‘treatments’ as detailed here:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/treatments-for-coronavirus/
One of them (Molnupiravir) according to my initial research sounds pretty nasty:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/anti-covid-pill-molnupiravir-has-major-safety-concerns-says-icmr-chief/ar-AASuQPZ
But crucially (and unlike Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine) it’s got an active patent on it…
or budesonide
Interesting. Does that not automatically invalidate the use of “emergency use authorisation (EUA”) products? Could have shot themselves in the foot (even if it’s a wise idea).
I think I’ve been on a simar thought journey the last 2 years. I think I originally resisted the calls to vaccine because I have simply never bought into the narrative that covid was very serious for the vast majority of people. At the time it was all developing, I was working in an area of research methods around improving the reproducibility of science, particularly biomedical research, and it just jarred with me from day 1 how UNscientific the restrictions were. Pure ‘let’s see’ without really considering the ethics, the experimental method, or having any real outcomes. Then of course the constant goal moving, a big no-no in any serious science experiment. The bad stats, the inhumane treatment of the elderly. I wrote to my MP twice against school closures and everything about lockdown just felt wrong and inhumane.
Then as soon as vaccines started being pushed as the ONLY way out of it, my hackles were raised. I don’t like being pushed into anything, much less new and unknown things. The rest I think we all know.
Where I depart from the essay is that I think there ARE too many risks from the vaccine. Latest yellow card report says 3-7 events reported per 1000 doses. So, 300 to 700 per 100,000 people. Compare that with the latest figures per 100,000 people with serious disease and you really are more likely to have an adverse event from being jabbed than be hospitalised. Note that for various reasons, this is an underestimate of adverse events by about 90%. As I told my GP earlier, ‘I need to pick the right time to get the jab, because I know I will be ill from it’. I haven’t found that time yet! Now Omicron suggests there will never be a good time.
toby’ s not vaccinated too ?great news toby! i will never give in either . thank you toby for the daily sceptic the great writing , the fellow resisters, and the laughs of course
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you a beta male.
I’ve maintained a very simple approach to the vaccine question which can be summed up as basically, “Fuck off”. No need to add anything else. Needless to say there is an ocean of medical, historical and political facts that have led me to this response but in the interests of brevity and the avoidance of any misunderstanding I just use that handy 2 word phrase. Anything more than that your just wasting your breath.
I prefer politeness, No Thank You!
almost as brief but will not raise animosity.
Fair enough, but as they keep on and on and on… I prefer the more robust and unambiguous “Fuck off”. Politeness went out the window 2 years ago.
Crazy isn’t it?
https://twitter.com/antiwoke2021/status/1480203176812888064
jesus! no need to make such a song & dance about it! is it necessary? is it effective? is it safe? do you trust the entities pushing it? that’s 4 “no”‘s from me – end of story.
One of the many great articles that make this site an essential daily.
The graph in the article makes the classic ‘ablative’ mistake. Even CDC and Fauxi are beginning to admit that not all those 600+ 0-17 years died ‘from’ C-19. Also masks protecting people! The xkcd cartoon is crap too, typical deepthought for midwits. Could have saved himself a lot of time and heartache by reading the PANDA website.
https://www.pandata.org/about/
If the vaccines were magic potions that conferred the invulnerability of Robocop to those receiving it, the Branch Covidian cult would find an excuse to restrict anyway.
Too my ‘arrogant’ comments. I read this and a lot of it rhymed with our situation. Being in France its far harder to be carried away with popular sentiment. I can read English language comment or translate, but its really news from UK and US that gives deeper meaning to what is happening. However we have been buffeted by adverse French reaction rather than the quite positive reaction the writer has experience in SA.
Certainly its an advantage not being engulfed by daily psyop from BBC or CNN.
My father was always anti-London centric Establishment, which equates to ‘free thinker’ these days.
But at the end of the day, it just comes down to doing your own homework, never trusting ‘the man’ , natural resistance to anything that subverts independence of thought. Pooling taxes for social health needs is one thing, pooling your brain and body to accept social wellbeing over your own is something entirely different. I am not an ant ( or a number).
And then there is the possibility that its all a pantomime to cover up the necessary social changes require to enforce zero carbon, to enforce a bio-security totalitarianism for the benefit of very few and enormous cost to the very many.
I thank you Cory for your essay I have come to similar decisions myself at 57 I am making a “stand” in particular because I am worried about the dystopian future my family face (adult children and grandchildren)if this medical tyranny continues. The younger generations, have had taken from them, their right of personal agency. This has happened over many years of state control and they probably will not know what it is.? Very sad.
I wish I dare write a personal essay but it would probably get me at least sent to Coventry in the school I work in/sacked but also more friends lost. So all I can do is resist vaccine, masks and sign things like The Great Barrington Declaration. Support dailysceptic and you.
Thank you for being braver than me.
I’m a 64-year-old woman who has been unafraid of this virus and has been going about my business unvaxxed and mostly unmasked for 2 years and no one is interested in how I’ve stayed healthy. NO ONE! It’s quite amazing. I keep thinking someone will say: Wow! What‘s your secret?! But, no! I’ve been treated like a lunatic and an alien for 2 years—for being healthy and knowing how to take care of myself when I have felt the least bit dodgy.
In Brazil, I read that they initiated a study on people who seemed to be immune to Covid. In the U.S., I think they just want everyone to be sick. There seems to be no real interest in wellness.
Anyway, even though you didn’t ask, here’s my secret: All of that mucosal tissue around the eyes, inside the nose, inside the throat, it’s the first line of defense of the immune system and it can all be ‘washed’ just like one’s hands. The easiest way I have found to do it is to put a pot of water on the stove, get it simmering, put my head over it, and breathe the steam through my nose, into my mouth, deep into my lungs—for like only a minute, but repeatedly, if need be. I have an ionizer in my bedroom that I’ll turn on and sit in front of for the same reasons (the beginning of an itchy nose or a scratchy throat). But, if you don’t have an ionizer, I read that colliding molecules create negative ions, so, you get that benefit along with the heat and humidity of the steam to soothe and ‘clean’ all of that tissue.
But, I have done it the moment I’ve felt the least bit dodgy: If I came home from a shopping trip with a slightly scratchy throat. If I woke up in the middle of the night coughing, I would drag myself to the kitchen and do it. Or get up and turn on my ionizer for a little while.
Rinsing your eyes or nose with a saline nasal spray or contact lens saline solution is also helpful. Gargling with hot, salt water, too. My surgeon-Dad would yell at us to go do it all the time when we were kids, when we were sick with a cold. And my Mom would drag out the big glass jar vaporizer… The medical world now calls that a nebulizer. And you don’t need to buy one or spend any money. Simple, simple stuff.
And do not walk around with a mask on outside! Take every opportunity to get fresh air into your lungs!
I woke up at 1 am this morning with that sore throat feeling. You know, not quite right, however much you try to convince yourself it is. So I boiled some water, mixed it up in a cup with a teaspoon of Cornish sea salt, left it to cool and gargled and snorted it.
Woke up three times during the night sweating, but now I’m perfectly fine.
I had the same sort of experience a few months ago, and it worked then too.
Here’s the trial which found excellent results against respiratory viruses from gargling and nasal irrigation with this simple solution. Bear in mind that the participants were only using the method when they had confirmed symptoms, rather than at first signs, as I did.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37703-3
Don’t do this all the time as a preventive though – you need those mouth bacteria. Don’t wipe them out unless you have reason to, i.e., think you’re coming down with something.
at first sign of scratchy throat I take a half tsp of manuka honey. works every time
Ginger for me!
Either as crystallised ginger or in cinnamon and ginger tea.
My principle reason for refusing to jab – nothing to vaccinate for.
I say no because it’s my God-given right. And I exercise that right.
I am a free man, not a slave. Reasons are secondary.
What are you going to do? Beat me with sticks?
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Oh, and one other thing: I have now collected 13 stories of people who have dropped dead shortly after being vaccinated or getting the booster shot, along with one story of a guy in Massachusetts who ended up as a quadruple amputee, just like that woman in Minnesota.
My total of Covid stories, on the other hand, stands at about 10. (It stood at 7 until this past weekend, when the woman who runs a pizza place that I frequent told me that she and her husband and daughter tested positive and were sick, but only with common cold-type symptoms. They were quite bummed that they had had to close their business for a week. When I asked her if she would’ve closed her business if it had happened 3 years ago, she replied: “Not for a week, we wouldn’t have.” So, it’s hard to even include them with 3 of my other Covid stories.
I submit that if it can be proven that one, just ONE person has been killed by the jab … jabs have out-killed Covid.
Interesting. I just told a colleague today that I’m unvaccinated. He was aghast, and wondered if I had told our employer. They’ve actually never asked.
When I am asked, I am completely honest:
1) I know about vaccine development, as I worked for a vaccine manufacturer for years, and know about the risk of ADE, in particular with respect to coronaviruses
2) I felt I would wait 2-3 years at least to see if this were a problem on the waning of the vaccinal antibodies, as if the entire population were to put themselves at risk of ADE, some people would need to stay healthy at least to ensure society continued to function.
3) I wasn’t worried about catching it in the meantime, as I never considered myself to be at risk (qcovid.org gives me a risk of death of 1:55,000) and I have a strong ethical position that one should only undergo medical intervention to protect ones own health, as all the risk falls on the person undergoing the procedure (especially so in a liability free one for the manufacturer).
4) Then data started emerging on the side effect profile, with VITT and then myocarditis and more
5) Then data started emerging that the protection waned rapidly
6) Then data started emerging of NEGATIVE efficacy and potential OAS or maybe even ADE
7) And the coercion ramped up, which I am against in principle, and makes me more likely to dig my heels in and fight.
Only a fool would take the vaccine now.
Oh and I then I got covid, so I definitely don’t want it now.
Seatbelt analogy fact checked
( Sarc)
Toby Young,
The thing that put me off these “vaccines” was when I saw a BBC News article about how the mRNA vaccines work.
I instantly thought “that sounds a bit dodgy, why not just make traditional ones based on a weakened form of the actual virus instead of buggering around programming my cells to produce ‘spike proteins’??”
I was also concerned that they would be rushed and not properly tested. I was going to wait at least until the trials ended – which I thought were a bit short.
Since then, as the coercion and social bullying ramped up, it made me even more determined to not have them.
Now we’ve got footballers collapsing almost weekly and my dad has mysteriously lost 70% of his hearing. Also a friend of mine was in hospital for weeks due to heart inflammation and another friend had a severe reaction to the Pfizer jab.
It’s put me right off.
Remember when people used to say “doing X is like trying to come up with a cure for the common cold” about something impossible or futile? It was obviously going to mutate and I thought it was a bit silly to try and eliminate this year’s variant with last year’s “vaccine”.
I don’t care what silly names I get called. I think if you really want the “vaccine”, then go for it. As long as you are aware that you are taking part in a medical experiment.
I’d rather take my chances with covid personally (and I think I’ve already had it)
Absolutely agree …
Discovery identifies a highly efficient human reverse transcriptase that can write RNA sequences into DNA — ScienceDaily
Justin Truedau bombshell ….
https://twitter.com/matthoyofficial/status/1480480614482595840?s=21
they have to control those WEF young global leaders somehow
Justin Paedo.
Thinking about it, I have come to the conclusion that we are now at an impasse between the two camps, the sceptics and the covidians. Both sides are now so intrenched that to admit that you were wrong (whichever side you’re on) would mean they are stupid, foolish and naive.
To get either side to change their views will take a monumental effort and the evidence would have to be so convincing as to make whomever feel very foolish.
As a sceptic from the start, I’d need bodies on the street before I was convinced, anything less I’d consider to be lies and propaganda.
‘I’d need bodies on the street before I was convinced’
Aren’t the bodies on the football pitches enough?
Science was being used to affirm our previously-held beliefs, rather than help us see truth. Applied to certain members of SAGE, this translates as: data were being selectively chosen and manipulated to promote their political agenda.
I’ve just seen a report in the Daily Arsehole about Imperial College London ‘discovering’ that having exposure to the common cold could give you immunity to SARS nCoV2.
We knew two years ago that having broad spectrum low affinity antibodies capable of targeting 20+ proteins for a family of viruses that make up at least 12% of common circulating viruses would give you a good level of immunity to another coronavirus Two. Fucking. Years. Ago.
So my question is this:
WHY IS EVERYONE SO FUCKING STUPID?
They’re not they are desperately searching for a way to keep their necks.
I know, my thoughts when I saw it too. But BBC tells its viewers “not to rely” on that kind of protection “you still need to be jabbed”
Why go around the houses? I won’t have this jab for one simple reason. I have no idea what’s in it and no-one seems able to tell me. I’m also careful and sometimes wary of what I eat for similar reasons. Besides, mother told me to beware the snake-oil salesman.
To show the neighbours who is unvaccinated and encourage vigilantes.
The best way, in my opinion, is to seek out any evidence before March 2020. For example, any evidence before March 2020 on masking to prevent influenza like illnesses suggests that surgical masks do little or nothing to prevent disease spread. There is a great pile of evidence over the years that suggest this – until March 2020. The definition of natural immunity was also changed in the last 2 years from what it had been for years and years. The definition of herd immunity also changed within the last 2 years previous to what it had been for years and years. The definition of a vaccine was changed over the last 2 years previous to what it had been for years and years. The list goes on and on. As well, even though mRNA has been known for decades, and studies and trials (in animals) of how to use this technology in vaccines have never been successful – until the fall of 2020. What happened to pandemic preparedness plans that were developed over many years prior to 2020 that said lockdowns were not to be used to lockdowns were the only way to stop the spread?
The question then becomes, why? What happened in the last two years that saw all the changes to previous definitions that were around for years? How did studies that were relied on for years suddenly become defunct? How did mRNA go from never being used in a vaccine successfully over decades to all of a sudden being successfully rolled out in less than a year? Why is it that there are some scientists that hold to previous definitions and studies, etc., while other scientists now say differently? Why were pandemic preparedness plans torn up and thrown out the window?
Nothing is concrete anymore. Heads are down tails are up. Has all of this been done to fit a political agenda? Or we actually learning new things? Masks are a great example because now, after all the new evidence of cloth and surgical masks helping, they are now saying they don’t and N95s should be worn. Again, WTF?
I agree with Cory. These are strange times we are living in.
‘Masks are a great example because now, after all the new evidence of cloth and surgical masks helping, they are now saying they don’t and N95s should be worn. Again, WTF?’
Because the N95 mask mandates in Germany have done such a good job in Germany.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/20/germany-mandates-medical-grade-masks/?sh=62da35722596
Yes, that’s been a big red flag for me too, the rewriting of or the memory-holing of history/previously established science, definitions, plans, methods etc, all aimed at justifying the new measures, all since March 20.
Query. Why, for someone so ready to question the narrative, do you think masks make a blind bit of difference?
Secondly. Morality. Does not the use of cell lines from a deliberately aborted unborn girl not figure in your thinking?
“I do genuinely believe that given my previous infection the risk-benefit of the vaccine is negative. That is – I think it is more likely to do harm than good. And I believe that any good it will do is temporary, and futile in the long term.”
Shouldn’t this alone be enough? I’m not saying all his other points are invalid, but if this was the only one then it’s still sufficient!
I remain unvaccinated because I’m not a stupid [unt.
Anyone that trusted the lying shit stain Boris and his cronies and allowed them to inject a ‘warp speed’ pharma product into their body knoing that pharma reused to take liability for the after effects is a complete bell end.
A poisoned bell end at that
Strangely, for all his time researching and finding conflicting information he never seemed to ask the bleeding obvious;
WHY?
Why are the governments doing this, it’s not like there is a lack of opinions out there. He too seems hypnotised.
I don’t understand your logic, what’s the benefit of asking a question you’ll never know the true answer to? There couldn’t possibly be a good reason behind the evil of mass experimental medication so who cares why. It just needs to be stamped out along with the evil that implemented it.
Possibly the work of subversive elements:
An advert announcing that ‘the vaccine bus is coming to Berndorf’ placed next to the ad for the local untertaker…
From #ploetzlichundunerwartet
I recommend everyone to read Real Anthony Fauci by Bobby Kennedy Jr. On chapther 3 he explains how Ivermectin could have saved 80 percent of deaths Worldwide. This book have opened my eyes. I now know that, 90% of all medicine is not for anything else than profit for them. Low profit and effective medicines are bashed and marketed as ineffective because they go against their narrative and profit plans. One of them is wonder drug Ivermectin. I see that everyday people search for it but can’t find a place to obtain. You can get yours by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com
An excellent article, and I agree with everything he says. The only difference between him and me is that I’m vaccinated. But in practical terms of “new normal freedom” it means nothing because I reject the use of vaccination pass for all purposes. So if anyone asked for a formal confirmation of my status, my answer would be “it’s none of your business”.
Thank you for this long read, Cory. I agree with most of it.
In particular, I agree with your astonishment that this sh*t show does not end when some new piece of evidence arises that seems to change everything for the better. Again and again it has happened and each time things have got worse not better. With the omicron cr*p, it’s happening again – mild like a cold yet what does France, Italy etc do – double down on vaxxes and passes, or Austria insisting on masks on the ski slopes. Unbelievable, illogical but impossible to argue with the idiots.
I can’t help but feel that whilst we may have light possibly starting to appear at the end of the tunnel here in England (NOT the UK), it’s still very very dark over much of Europe. And that really worries me as I need to go to Spain sometime this year and I cannot see how I will be able to without a vaxx.