The PCR False Positive Pseudo-Epidemic
Today, we’re proud to be bringing you a new blockbuster piece by Dr Mike Yeadon in which he debunks the notion that we’re in the midst of a ‘second wave’ – he believes most parts of England reached herd immunity by June of this year – and systematically takes apart the PCR testing data that seems to show daily cases number tens of thousand a day. This is, as he and Dr Clare Craig have said before, a false positive pseudo-epidemic. But Dr Yeadon has never set out his case so clearly, and with such a wealth of evidence, as he has done in this new article. He’s particularly illuminating on the shortcomings of the super-labs set up to process hundreds of thousands of PCR tests every day, drawing on his own 29-year career conducting and supervising laboratory work in UK.
Here’s an extract in which he summarises his argument:
In brief: the pandemic was over by June and herd immunity was the main force which turned the pandemic and pressed it into retreat. In the autumn, the claimed “cases” are an artefact of a deranged testing system, which I explain in detail below. While there is some COVID-19 along the lines of the “secondary ripple” concept explained above, it has occurred primarily in regions, cities and districts that were less hard hit in the spring. Real COVID-19 is self-limiting and may already have peaked in some Northern towns. It will not return in force, and the example again is London. Even here, certain boroughs, e.g. Camden and Sutton, have had minimal positive test results. I’ve explained a number of times how this happened – the prominent role of prior immunity is often ignored or misunderstood. The extent of this was so large that, coupled with the uneven spread of infection, it needed only a low percentage of the population to be infected before herd immunity was reached.
That’s it. All the rest is a PCR false positive pseudo-epidemic. The cure, of course, as it has been in the past when PCR has replaced the pandemic itself as the menace in the land, is to stop PCR mass testing.
Dr Yeadon’s articles have been some of the most read things we’ve published on Lockdown Sceptics and this one will be no exception.
Put the kettle on, make yourself a cup of tea and settle down to read this essential piece. Easily the best 20 minutes you’ll spend today.
The Second Wave Peaked Before Lockdown 2.0
We have previously shared the findings of Tim Spector, Professor of Genetic Epidemiology at King’s College, London. He is the founder of the ZOE app which over a million people use to report their symptoms every week and which has become a prime source of rapid, near real-time data about COVID-19. He received an OBE for this work, earlier this year. Writing in the Spectator, he explains what the ZOE data shows:
COVID-19 rates for the UK are now falling in nearly all major regions. The Government and the Opposition, who believe in lockdown, will say that the fall in the number of confirmed cases, deaths and hospitalisations proves lockdown 2.0 was a success, regardless of the extra health costs associated with lockdowns.
Looking at our data, I concluded last month that we had passed the peak of new COVID-19 cases before we went into the second English lockdown. Our data has since been backed up by the ONS survey and GP surveillance records that track new consultations. Hospital admissions, which lag new cases, also peaked shortly after the lockdown of November 5th.
This suggests the impact of the tiered system was being felt before the lockdown started. Chris Whitty has said that it takes two to three weeks for the effects of lockdown to appear. Were lockdown essential then we would have expected hospital admissions to peak far later, possibly around now. The below is what the ZOE data suggests:
Areas that were under relatively strict tiered restrictions in October are all seeing a continued drop in the number of new COVID-19 cases after peaking around the second half of October.
He goes on to provide some good news for the NHS.
The higher rates are still among 20 to 39 year-olds, who are probably the most exposed to the virus because they are more likely to be carrying on with their lives; and the lowest is among people over 60… The numbers are still relatively low among those in the older age group who are most likely to become seriously ill or die from the disease.
It is hard to disagree with his conclusion:
Any further restrictions should be based on encouraging voluntary behavioural changes. Persuasion is a far more effective long-term strategy than coercion… The public must be able to see exactly what is happening and be trusted to take the right actions for themselves.
Tim Spector’s analysis is worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Tim Spector gave an interview to Freddie Sayers for UnHerd‘s LockdownTV last week. A must watch.
Switzerland: No Lockdown, No Armageddon
We reported last Thursday that Switzerland is one of five places that seem to indicate that lockdowns are not necessary. Today, with thanks to the reader who flagged it in the comments, a report from Focus Online that bears this out:
Switzerland was, not long ago, considered one of biggest COVID-19 hotspots in Europe. Now, though, the curve is pointing sharply downwards, despite no major new measures being adopted. Even the experts are stumped.
Switzerland opted for a middle course in its COVID-19 policy, between Sweden’s laissez-faire model and a hard lockdown strategy. Up until the middle of November, it looked as though the policy would fail miserably.
But, since then, the curve has shown a clear downwards trend, dropping from 10,000 new infections per day at the beginning of the month to 4,500. And that is without any containment measures being implemented. The Swiss Federal Council has not tightened measures since October 29th.
The report continues:
Why did the numbers fall so rapidly, despite the open restaurants and shops and the loose contact restrictions? The experts don’t quite know. At the moment, “from a scientific point of view it is still too early to judge”, Swiss epidemiologist Marcel Salathé tells FOCUS Online. Antje Heise, an intensive care doctor and President of the Swiss Institute for Intensive Care added: “We can only speculate on what led to the turnaround in infection numbers.”
Whether it was the Swiss middle-course COVID-19 policy that led to the reduction in numbers is therefore unknown. The strategy was criticised by many. There were grave doubts as to whether the measures were sufficient to save the health system from collapse.
Worth reading in full (if you speak German). It goes on to note that the numbers are still very high and that the country has only recently seen its highest daily death toll, and says that caution is still required.
The Rush to Publish COVID-19 Research Saw Errors Triple
New research published today in the Medical Journal of Australia (MJA) has thrown some light on the compromises made in the publication processes of medical journals, a consequence of the rush for new research on COVID-19. 9 News has more:
The research examined five medical journals considered to be the most critical to informing global health policy and clinical practices: the Lancet, the New England Journal of Medicine, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), the British Medical Journal and the Annals of Internal Medicine.
The analysis compared 134 research papers published between January 1st and May 31st this year to 54 published during the same period in 2019.
The research found that:
- One in five COVID-19 studies published by the journals during the first five months of the pandemic had corrections issued after publication. This compares to 7.4% of published during the same period last year
- Three studies had to be retracted altogether, including a highly publicised hydroxychloroquine trial published in the Lancet. This led to a temporary cessation of the WHO trial into hydroxychloroquine. No such retractions were made in 2019.
- Just 5% of the coronavirus trials were randomised controlled trials – considered the “gold standard” of medical research – compared to 35% of the 2019 trials.
- The timeframe given to review, approve and publish trials was drastically reduced. In the case of JAMA, the only journal to release data for this, the average timeframe from first submission to publication fell from 139 days to just 23.
- Close to half of the COVID-19 studies did not explicitly state that consent was obtained from trial participants. A number of articles also stated that they were granted exemptions from the requirement for ethical review due to the nature of the pandemic.
The study’s lead author, Professor Michael Reade of the University of Queensland, said:
In the new information age, it’s a great thing that people can disseminate information really quickly. You can put a paper up online, you can read these things really quickly, but the other side of that is that by the time it gets into a journal, if journals are going to add anything to this process, it needs to be that they give the stamp of approval that it’s true.
Quite. And it is surely during such times as the last few months that the reliability of papers published in prestigious medical journals matters most. The 9 News article is worth reading in full.
The MJA article has a number of suggestions for facilitating the rapid dissemination of information, without compromising its quality, ethical standards or oversight, including:
A two-track review process for pandemic and non-pandemic research, rapid preliminary assessment of research methodology by skilled in-house reviewers before deciding whether to send for peer review, sharing of peer-reviews between reviewers and journals, and mentored peer reviewing by research trainees.
The MJA article is also worth reading in full.
Dear Commissioner…
A member of the Free Speech Union, Dominic Martin, has written to Cressida Dick the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, to complain about the heavy-handed policing of Saturday’s anti-lockdown protest in central London. Hard to disagree with anything he says.
I am writing to express my disgust at how your police force handled the anti-lockdown protest in central London, and indeed how it has handled several previous demonstrations. They have been suppressed in an overly zealous and excessively forceful manner which brings shame upon the force and is chillingly reminiscent of scenes we have scene in recent months in Belarus and Hong Kong. The right to challenge authority by peaceful protest is a centuries-old British liberty and, moreover, a liberty enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was signed by Britain in 1948 (Article 20(1): “Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association“). It is a cornerstone of liberal democracy, and can only be rightfully suspended in the most extreme of circumstances, such as war, invasion, or social breakdown. A virus with a 99%+ survival rate – and of the 1% or less who sadly die the overwhelming majority are of a very advanced age with existing health conditions – is no justification for enacting such draconian measures and stripping citizens of their basic rights. It is a highly worrying development. As we saw with the anti-terror laws rushed through in the aftermath of the September 11th and July 7th attacks, powers once gained are rarely surrendered, and are often used in a manner which far exceeds their original remit and purpose.
As bad as the over-reaction is, it is made far worse by the complete inaction shown this summer in regards to other protests, such as when far larger crowds were allowed to gather under the banner of Black Lives Matter (BLM) at the height of the first lockdown. Not only were these demonstrations given sanction to go ahead, they were lightly policed and indeed several police officers were seen running away when provoked, with protestors given free rein to vandalise public statuary. Furthermore, several police officers were filmed “taking the knee”, which, given that BLM is at heart a political lobby group, was a clear violation of police neutrality. A later FOI response by your force (ref. 01.FOI.20.014886) states clearly that “Officers were briefed to use enforcement powers as a last resort”, and the protests were also enthusiastically endorsed by Mayor Sadiq Khan. The contrast with Saturday’s anti-lockdown protest could not be more stark; it was met with a huge police presence and ordered to disperse immediately, with protestors then being arrested seemingly at random and in large numbers. The organisers of such demonstrations in the past have also been issued with exorbitant fines (again, not issued against BLM organisers).
Having a police force that is seen to be fair and impartial is of fundamental importance if public trust and support for law enforcement is to be maintained. I suspect that the real reason for the selective policing this year is that your organisation is still reeling from the impact of the MacPherson Report, and prioritises being seen as “not racist” above enforcing the law in a fair and equitable manner. I for one have lost all faith in the Metropolitan Police as an unbiased and apolitical force, and I suspect that I am far from alone. The damage caused has been enormous and the repercussions will be felt for many years to come.
Stop Press: Sky New Australia has a great report on the protests. They call them “riots”.
Stop Press: It is also worth reading Matthew Scott’s piece in the Telegraph – “Lockdown is being policed in an entirely disproportionate way” and Dr Jade Norris’s article in the Spectator about why she has resigned as a Special Constable – “Why I can no longer police the coronavirus restrictions“.
A Festive Protest Suggestion
After reading the accounts of Saturday’s protests on the news and in yesterday’s update, a reader has got in touch with a suggestion for an alternative form of protest:
How about organising large gatherings to sing Christmas carols as a form of protest – and a nice way to spread some Christmas cheer.
The problem with the brave protests that have taken place so far is that the media spins it as a few conspiracy theorist nuts protesting against vaccinations, 5G and so on. Much of the population consequently has little sympathy for the victims of heavy-handed policing. I read the comments section on the article in the Sun about Saturday’s protest and although there were plenty of people on our side there were also lots of comments to the effect that the protesters deserved all they were getting. There was even one comment that suggested they be denied a vaccine, which seems an odd punishment.
The police would surely be more reluctant to start brutalising a large crowd of peaceful carol singers. Even our media would struggle to present that as a proportionate response. Perhaps the general public who saw these protests would be more likely to come over to our cause.
Not a bad idea.
“Back Me or Face Lockdown 3”
The MailOnline has the latest on the Prime Minister’s battle to squash the rebellion last night:
“The country will face another national lockdown if MPs reject new local limits,” Boris Johnson warned tonight. The Prime Minister was battling to quell a Tory revolt as he unveiled a series of concessions in a bid to persuade backbenchers to back a tougher tier system. But ahead of a critical vote Tuesday, the rebels tonight demanded “hard evidence” to convince them that the crackdown will save more lives than it costs.
Tomorrow Downing Street will publish an analysis of the health, economic and social impacts of COVID-19 and the measures taken to suppress it. The move is an attempt to limit the scale of a rebellion which has been growing since last week. The document will include forecasts from the Bank of England and the Office for Budget Responsibility. Mr Johnson yesterday dangled the prospect that some areas facing the harshest curbs in Tier 3 could see them eased as part of a review before Christmas.
Mr Johnson insisted “no Prime Minister wants to impose restrictions which cause such harm to society, the economy and people’s mental health”. He warned that the “tougher tiers” are needed “if we are to keep the virus under control and avoid either overwhelming the NHS or another national lockdown which is far more damaging and restrictive than these tiers”.
Parliament is due to vote on Lockdown 3.0 on Tuesday. There is no time like the present to join Peter Hitchens’ campaign for a mass write-in to MPs. Numbers count.
A Message from a Donor
We received a generous donation yesterday, and thought it worth sharing the message that came with it:
My part of the Civil Service all received a £100 bonus for adjusting well to working from home. This is possibly one of the most tone-deaf actions I have ever seen, given the state of the nation’s finances and the prospects of those working in the private sector – not to mention a complete waste of taxpayers’ money as there was not a single group of people who had easier during the lockdown. I donate it to a worthier cause.
Round-Up
- “Canada’s COVID-19 strategy is an assault on the working class” – Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Sunetra Gupta – of Great Barrington fame – on the collateral damage caused by the lockdown in Canada
- “Laurence Fox launches new party to fight ‘War on Woke” – The Express reports on Laurence Fox’s Reclaim party. It is needed, the actor argues, because the Tories are no longer representing conservatism
- “Guidance for the Christmas period” – From Gov.uk. Guidance for everything, from shopping to going to work to visiting church
- “Anti-lockdown rebels are quietly winning in the battle for the PM’s ear” – A positive analysis from Patrick O’Flynn in the Telegraph
- “Now browsing is banned” – Don’t spend any more than 15 minutes in store. Another pearl of wisdom from SAGE. Report in the MailOnline
- “Britons to get ‘vaccine stamp’ in their passports before overseas travel” – In the Telegraph. A whole new way to get a stamp in your passport
- “Extra cash for pubs and restaurants” – the Prime Minister is set to announce another bailout for the hospitality sector as he tries to see off the rebellion. From the Telegraph
- “J.D. Wetherspoon boss Tim Martin lambasts ‘lockdown by stealth‘ – The publican’s take on the new tiers. From the Times
- “Chips with everything” – the latest on John Redwood’s blog
- “Germany’s Christmas markets open for drive-ins only amid epidemic – TRTWorld on the COVID-19 secure drive-in Weihnachtsmarkt. What about the gluhwein?
- “Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from COVID-19 vaccine shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’” – A call for vaccine transparency at CNBC
- “Political, not medical, science drives the lockdown lemmings” – Blistering essay for American Greatness by Thaddeus G. McCotter
- “Salon owner who racked up £27,000 in COVID-19 fines forced to shut by council” – Latest on the heroic Sinead Quinn in the MailOnline
- “The Government can’t just keep borrowing again and again” – “Problems will come when inflation starts to rise,” says Roger Bootle in the Telegraph
- “Why has Michael Gove – one of Britain’s brightest politicians – turned into such a zealot for lockdowns?” – Stephen Glover considers the question for the Daily Mail
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Fight the Power” by Public Enemy, “Kingdom of Madness” by Magnum and “Inject the Venom” by AC/DC.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we were intending to highlight the plight of Professor Dorian Abbot, a tenured faculty member in the Department of Geophysical Sciences at the University of Chicago, who has recently come under attack from students and postdocs in his Department for a series of videos he posted to YouTube expressing his reservations about the way Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) efforts have been discussed and implemented on campus.
In these videos, since taken down, Prof. Abbot raised several misgivings about DEI efforts and expressed concern that a climate of fear is “making it extremely difficult for people with dissenting viewpoints to voice their opinions”. The slides for each of Prof. Abbot’s videos can be found here, and his own account of events and his opinions can be found here. Nowhere in these materials does Prof. Abbot offer any opinion that a reasonable observer would consider to be hateful or otherwise offensive.
Shortly after uploading the videos, Abbot’s concerns were confirmed when 58 students and postdocs of the Department of Geophysical Sciences, and 71 other graduate students and postdocs from other University of Chicago departments, posted a letter containing the claim that Prof. Abbot’s opinions “threaten the safety and belonging of all underrepresented groups within the [Geophysical Sciences] department” and “represent an aggressive act” towards research and teaching communities.
The letter also issued 11 demands, many of which would serve to ostracize and shame Prof. Abbot, while stripping him of departmental titles, courses, and privileges. The signatories further demand that the Department of Geophysical Sciences formally and publicly denounce Prof. Abbot’s views, and change hiring and promotion procedures so as to prioritise DEI.
That’s what we were intending to highlight. Indeed, we were going to ask you to sign a Free Speech Union petition launched a few days ago urging the President of Chicago, Robert J. Zimmer, to issue a statement reiterating his support for the Chicago Principles and affirming that Prof. Abbot will not be reprimanded, will not be subject to any departmentally imposed punishments and humiliations, and will not be stripped of any departmental titles, courses, or privileges, or have his tenure put in jeopardy.
But there is no need because the petition has achieved its objective. Yesterday, just three days after the petition’s launch, President Zimmer issued a statement saying he had no intention of watering down the Chicago Principles and affirming the right of Chicago’s academic staff to express their views on controversial topics, however unorthodox, without fear of being penalised by their employer in any way:
From time to time, faculty members at the University share opinions and scholarship that provoke spirited debate and disagreement, and in some cases offend members of the University community.
As articulated in the Chicago Principles, the University of Chicago is deeply committed to the values of academic freedom and the free expression of ideas, and these values have been consistent throughout our history. We believe universities have an important role as places where novel and even controversial ideas can be proposed, tested and debated. For this reason, the University does not limit the comments of faculty members, mandate apologies, or impose other disciplinary consequences for such comments, unless there has been a violation of University policy or the law. Faculty are free to agree or disagree with any policy or approach of the University, its departments, schools or divisions without being subject to discipline, reprimand or other form of punishment.
This is exactly what the FSU was asking for and it is now confident that Prof Abbot is no longer in any danger from the outrage mob that targeted him for cancellation. Thanks to the actions of its President, the University of Chicago has confirmed its status as a beacon of academic free speech that universities around the world can look to for leadership on this critical issue.
But this is no time for complacency. Help the FSU secure more victories like this by joining today.
The enemies of free speech hunt in packs; its defenders must band together too.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 700,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Quotation Corner
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.
Charles Mackay
They who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well-considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is in the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions…
Ideology – that is what gives the evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you never should trust experts. If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent: if you believe the soldiers, nothing is safe. They all require to have their strong wine diluted by a very large admixture of insipid common sense.
Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury
Nothing would be more fatal than for the Government of States to get into the hands of experts. Expert knowledge is limited knowledge and the unlimited ignorance of the plain man, who knows where it hurts, is a safer guide than any rigorous direction of a specialist.
Sir Winston Churchill
If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.
Richard Feynman
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.
Albert Camus
We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
Carl Sagan
Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.
Marcus Aurelius
Necessity is the plea for every restriction of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt the Younger
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We talk about the R number. Danish Mask Study. London Protests and much more.
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Has this been flagged yet?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994911/Town-halls-harvest-millions-personal-details-including-youre-unfaithful-debt.html
Looks like a Chinese-style social credit system could be coming sooner than we think. Unless we stop it!
Scary, and annoying.
Thanks, new to me.
On the subject of data harvesting.
I’ve been watching a TV series that features a novel deadly virus, big pharma coming up with a novel vaccine and big tech launching a surveillance system that makes Track’n’Trace look like taking the school register.
The star is Benedict Cumberbatch as a nerdy mathematics genius entirely lacking in inter-personal skills brought in by big tech to add kudos to their tracking scheme which includes everyone’s details about everything (self financing as the algorithms can predict individuals purchasing decisions which can be sold to the private sector).
Set in a near future dystopia with bombs going off (probably planted by MI5), heavily armed police randomly demanding peoples ID, individuals getting disappeared, police brutality against civilians protesting against the new surveillance system.
Cumberbatch is using the tracking system to make his own investigations and we learn that it is not just the virus that is dangerous.
. . The nanotracker within a large batch of the vaccine is killing people whose bodies are highly contagious . . .
Naturally the spooks are tracking every keystroke made by Cumberbatch so he gets cancelled and unable to function in any way in this completly controlled society.
Robert Carlyle also stars as a somewhat redundant rogue spook to add a bit of action to the drama.
BBC MMVIII. The Last Enemy.
The parallels are striking
Does it feature a fucking idiot in charge of everyone’s health?
No, they are only interested in enhancing their various agendas.
It’ll never happen, not in this neighbourhood.
oh…but wait!
Yes entrainment media offers propaganda reinforcement to ‘normalise’ and set the narrative payload as predictive programming. Its also a way of declaring open intentions in a framework that makes taking about them immediately reference a movie etc.
If you watch the push media, be vigilant for the underlying messaging.
The recent but pre-cov novel ‘Malice’ may interest people here. The author died soon after publishing in circumstances that may be questionable.
Dodgy immunisations for a cold? – what an improbable scenario…!
that would make it even more frighteningly realistic
I think that they might be on dodgy ground under the Data Protection Act 2018 which embodies the GDPR. At first glance it would seem as though they are now using data for a purpose for which it wasn’t originally collected.
Notwithstanding that: How would a local council know what your level of debt is?
You’ll forgive me if I don’t find existing legal safeguards particularly reassuring given what we’ve been through the last 8 months. A credit ratings agency would know your level of debt. How would anyone know if you’re engaged in “unfaithful and unsafe sex“??
And how have they overturned half a century of permissiveness to describe extra-marital sex as ‘immoral’.
I have worked in local government IT for nearly 20 years, and this information would have to come from the revenues & benefits system, the Social work system and the housing system, all globbed together. Almost certainly a violation of GDPR.
Don’t the companies like Experian who do your ‘credit score’ base it on your home address? So it should be a simple matter to marry that database to their council tax one and add the info together.
Can we stop it? We’re not even able to stand in a peaceful group without being assaulted by thugs in uniform.
Can its stop itself?
That is, does it carry the seed of its own destruction as a result of being founded in untruth?
..used to pick up ‘Covid risk factors’ which include debt, domestic violence, mental health, and low income.
Covid risk factors??
... socially unacceptable behaviour such as ‘unfaithful and unsafe sex’,
!!!!
….millions of people were being monitored for social distancing as part of a government-backed project secretly rolled out across Britain.
I think you’re absolutely right!
Big Brother Watch sent me an email about. Scary stuff.
Yes, that’s also how I found out about it.
Unless its deceit masked as news
I think we have witnessed the birth of a new religion. I don’t think it matters anymore how many facts and figures we throw at people. They have unshakeable belief that there is a “new deadly virus” that we spread without even having symptoms and that causes a “terrible disease” that anyone can die from. The people I know who believed this in the beginning included journalists, MPs, university professors, medical doctors. I was astonished because I never believed it for one moment. I expected them to have consulted the available evidence by now, and to have come around to a more rational perspective. But no. I think, from the day we were locked down, we were split into two camps. One side thought , “If our freedoms are being removed this must be the DEADLIEST virus ever know to man or they wouldn’t do this.” The other side thought, “This can’t possibly be about a virus, what the hell is going on?!” And we’ve been trying to piece together the picture ever since. And the picture is coming clear. But the other side (containing a frightening number of politicians, teachers, university professors, law enforcers) will NEVER give up their position. You can’t put medical facts in front of a committed Christian and say, “Look that proves a man cannot be dead for three days and come back to life. Nor can a man walk on water.” They have unshakeable faith. But we are not (or were not) a theocracy. You are not obliged to believe Jesus died and came back to life three days later, but you are entitled to if you want. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a short time, as a child. There were very strict rules. You lived under religious rules. We are now living in an even stricter theocracy. And they will suppress and possibly even imprison those who challenge it. Face masks must be worn. The religious will not countenance any challenge as to their effectiveness. Tests must be taken. Vaccines must be administered. It could take hundreds of years for people who do not believe in the covid religion to get their rights back. Where can we go in the meantime? Sweden? Any other suggestions?
My suggestion is you lighten up. We are winning this war. Happy Monday
Fuck off Blackburn. Mattghg is right
Chill Doc. I agree with most of it but am not having the hundreds of years comment. Nonsense. Anyway, hope my fellow sceptics all have a good week. We are approaching the kairotic moment for scepticism.
I think it’s very easy to get disheartened – we all have days when we think this will never be over – but as an understanding of why people seem so rigidly to cling to their belief in the deadliness of Covid (to the point where even those sceptical of lockdown often have to pay lip-service to the idea to get a hearing) I think it has some merit.
As it stands, I do feel something has changed. The way in which the lockdown that was supposed to “save Christmas” has given way to a tier system in which most of the country is more repressed than before has finally woken some people up, especially when the Government then once again tries to spin the idea that the fall in “cases” is down to the measures. It remains to be seen how the vote will go this week, but the noises coming out of the CRG do sound a lot more resistant than previously. I was rather hoping that the Mail would do a big piece yesterday, whether on the PCR test or the financial connections between government ministers and testing/vaccine companies (not that I know there are any, but my gut tells me that’s what Hancock at least is up to), but the fact they have gone sceptical is in itself a huge shift from April.
I also think Simon Heffer’s piece in the Telegraph about rebellion following repression is, in an odd way, a positive thing. Not because we all want a crime wave, but because it shows that – in the West at least – there is always a hidden undercurrent of resistance to tyranny. People may wear the mask, so to speak, but there are many who are just waiting for that moment when they feel the majority are for freedom when they will cross the battlefield and take up the banner. This is why Communism collapsed overnight and it’s why, whenever it happens, this health totalitarianism will too.
Unlike breaking away from communism the people have been sold the lie they’re gonna die and since some of us know that every single person is utterly selfish and only care for themselves (this is fact don’t demean yourself by trying to argue against it because i know you’re lying) they wear the mask because they’re shitting themselves. In the back of their minds they all think maybe there is some truth to this and they don’t want to die so they wear the bloody thing. The state will continue to oppress us for many years now and we won’t be able to stop them. The only answer is the almost total dismantling of the state but since most of us are spineless cowards scared of the day they never saw i can’t see it happening. The only thing to do is to fuck up the functions of the state in any way you can, no matter how small.
I don’t have your negative view of humanity. People are a mixture of good and bad and some lean more one way than the other. Do you think Toby is running this site for selfish reasons or that the creators of the Great Barrington Declaration are putting their academic futures on the line for their own gain? Sure, government has a high proportion of people who are in it for themselves, but that’s because if there is a well-paid job which requires no qualifications whatsoever it’s never going to attract the best of people.
In terms of the fear of death, I think that was a factor in the early days. I remember walking in the forest round here when they first allowed people to drive out for exercise – there were people who would more or less dive into the undergrowth when they saw you coming the other way. Now, with the exception of the odd person in a muzzle, most people are behaving pretty normally. More widely, far fewer people seem to have been observing the second lockdown than the first.
The thing about fear is that it only works if the danger seems clear and present – as time passes and people don’t lose large numbers of friends and family, most begin to put it aside and get on with their lives. There are stories in the Blitz of people behaving in ways that to modern minds seem unbelievably risky (not least Churchill watching the bombing from the roof) but if you’d survived that far it was probably just as easy to believe you were going to make it through to the end. I imagine then, as now, there were people who lived in utter terror, but that wasn’t everybody then and it isn’t now.
I don’t think that it is a negative view of humanity. It depends on what you term a “good” and “bad” and that can only be based on your own personal views.
My view is that people act in their own selfish self-interest whether that is alone or in cooperative groups. Humans only cooperate if they think that there will be a pay off for them in the cooperation.
My sense was that selfish was being used in a pejorative sense, not a genetic one. Dawkins did demonstrate that altruism was a logical outcome of selfish genes, but he was very careful to distinguish the biological impulse from social behaviour. Totalitarian regimes tend to atomise society, attempting to turn individuals against each other and thus destroying their collective sense of commong good. If people were truly selfish, those regimes would not have collapsed in the way they did.
Early programs testing the ”fuck you buddy” hypothesis, by IBM I believe, were tried on the company (female) secretaries who spoiled thinks by being co-operative.
The program designers concluded that the secretaries were unsuitable subjects rather than their model being incorrect.
They believed the model over the evidence? My, how things have changed….
I agree with your sentiments and it is witnessing the courage of the likes of Mike Yeadon, Ivor Cummins, Clare Craig, Ros Jones, Emma Kenney, Molly Knightley, the GBD group, Lord Sumption, the Recovery group, etc. – all of whom risk public hatred and professional discrediting – that keeps me from complete despair. But all these people are outliers who reach a fraction of society with their sound/sane views and facts. While the MSM, in particular the BBC, and the government public announcements repeat the same nonsense and lies again and again and again, we will never break through. And they will never back down. It’s gone too far. That’s what brings me down. I do need cheering up! I may go sing Christmas carols in the town square… this Christianity thing has really got me. The church could make a killing recruiting the masses if it played its cards right this year!
The Church has betrayed itself, its people, the people in general, and the God it claims to serve. Covid worship is the new Christianity.
Only if you see Nero’s version of Christianity as a tool of political control – which of course it was.
However, if you consider true Christianity, as opposed to churchianity, I suggest you’ll find that the NHS is the religion and covid replaces the Old Testament version of the god that must be feared and appeased at all costs.
Irreverend had a good episode recently about the Church and its missed opportunity this year.
This year has revealed a lot about the Church. Did they really believe in the sacraments? That meeting as congregation was a body, an “ecclesia”? When it became difficult, apparently not.
The idea of carol singing as a protest was a great one. I think we should try that.
O come all ye faithful!
I tend to agree. I am in Greece – the intense spring lockdown genuinely scared a lot of Greeks and cities looked like dead zones – this time around a lot more are out and about despite the lockdown – ironically a lot more people have died since the weather turned cold yet people are not as scared, especially those who are nowhere near 80, the average age of those who die of Covid in Greece.
Covid has been around for a while – it is not the new terrifying threat it was in the spring.
Ha Churchill was aware via Enigma of when to run and hide and when to show fearless courage. But don’t let truth get in the way of a good story.
Glad to see you haven’t changed, Biker!
Yes I am sure those who wear them in their cars on their own are doing it for others! A lot of them are liars but the virtue signalling makes them feel ever so self righteous.
Do you have the Simon Heffer link?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/29/history-suggests-roar-rebellion-will-follow-covids-suppression/
Interesting that it invites comments but the link to them has disappeared!
I hope to God you are right.
I am? About what?
The main powers that be, the organs of news and propaganda and the primary institutions have all bought into to this nonsense and are now trapped. The so called tory rebels all seem to be trying to face 2 ways at once, both tending to be sceptical but in a way that does not upset their zealous electorate, papers like the Daily Mail are sceptical one minute zealous the next in a bid to keep their full readership on board.
One of the issues we have is that this virus has been a ‘Drama Queen’ (am I still allowed to use that term?) and has and has caused some high profile dramatic effects and some harrowing personal cases. The general public react to high profile sentimentality far more than they do to a cold representation of the national statistics. The sceptic case lacks good PR and it lacks any real mechanism for getting an alternative view across to the General Public. The Daily Mail is hesitatingly sceptical, we need to get he Sun on board and we need to get young people back to the mood of the Vietnam War protests,
The harrowing and dramatic incidents that fuelled much of the public reaction to all this are becoming increasingly hard to find, the best they can do is to find some hospital somewhere that is so shambolically organised that it is overwhelmed but the ‘overwhelmed NHS’ propaganda is wearing a bit thin. The public have short memories and one result of all this testing is that large numbers of people have now been tested and been +ve or -ve and nothing has happened. So instead of being an unknown the virus is now known to many people and no longer a thing to be feared. I think the Government are clever enough to know things are turning which is why they want a vaccine to bail them out, anything to avoid having to admit they got things wrong, everything to ensure they get voted in again at the nest election.
Steve, Andrew… all good points. What we desperately need is a mainstream newspaper to publish Mike Yeadon. He is the unequivocal authority on “what has gone wrong” with never a mention of the dreaded conspiracy notions (5G, Gates, WEF, etc.) His article published on this blog today is brilliant and I’m getting it sent it to people in Parliament. We need his science alongside Lord Sumption’s ethics plastered across the front of two or three national newspapers and then the movement against this madness will really take off. Of course the vultures will swoop on government ministers. Let them be shown no mercy. They’ve had ample time to come clean and pull the propaganda. They will get what they deserve. Praying for this turning of the tide feels like praying for a Christmas miracle. Honestly, I’ve vowed to go to church when they reopen. After years identifying as an evangelical atheist, Christianity suddenly seems so rational and reasonable!
Most churches are rather beautiful too, the country ones certainly. I like TY’s anaysis that ‘they’ believe any level of collateral damage is better politically than their feared collapse of the NHS Moloch. I also like Ivor Cummins’s assessment that the second wave/false positive scenario is deliberate to stretch things out until the vaccine saves us all (meaning just ‘them’ of course since we are mere collateral damage).
I think the PCR test angle is the way to go. Stop those and the numbers fall away. Then, as soon as one tv channel comes out as sceptic, the end is in sight
You think the WEF’s Great Reset is conspiracy?
Not necessarily, but it is framed as such in the MSM, and I think the way forward is to go to battle by dismantling the data the government is preaching, and pushing the catastrophic impacts of lockdowns/restrictions into people’s faces rather than trying to win them round by pointing out the more sinister agendas (I personally think it started with China trolling the west and was summarily co-opted by big pharma and mad “reset” collectivists with the help of AI, but let’s just start by trying to get the PCR testing stopped on the grounds that it is creating a pseudopandemic for now!)
exactly…one battle at a time
Have you looked at their website?!
You sound as frightened of ‘dreaded conspiracy notions’ as the zealots are of covid. Fear is failure.
Yeadon and Sumption are good dudes – but you’re looking for leader/hero types when we are the solution.
The weakest part of the Covid edifice is PCR. We need to go for it.
I welcome though Mike Yeadon’s analysis, but I also feel that some key points are missing. Specifically:
1) What about the contribution of the whole business of moving the elderly to care-homes and then not looking after them properly, relaxing guidelines on DNRs etc? This could have been a major contributor to overall “first-wave” deaths and mean that it was policy, not the virus, that targetted the elderly.
2) Problems with PCR are not confined to false-positives: it detects bits of RNA which directly correlate with neither illness nor infectiousness. Lateral Flow may be more accurate but, as an antibody test, is likewise not a direct measure of illness or infectiousness.
Second wave notwithstanding, questions such as these will have a major impact on how we deal with “the next one”.
Your first point was definitely a political agenda copied across the western world. A culling of our elderly and sick.
Personally, I hold to Sir Graham Brady’s comment when I feel down ” if these kinds of measures were being taken in any totalitarian state would be denouncing it as a form of evil”. I used it on my supposedly Christian MP. He ignored it. I agree – we need one overarching body unifying Lockdown Sceptics, the GBD signatories, the Tory group led by Steve Baker, plus any others , but we need a head, a leader. Any ideas, folks?
Trouble is, the whole world (with one or two exceptions) has gone down the rabbit hole. Going to be difficult for one country to say “sorry folks, we made a mistake”.
A few encouraging signs from Germany, Portugal, etc.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed (and our revenge stored in the fridge!).
Very well analysed.
If they were looking for a ladder to climb down they would either stop testing or they would lie about the PCR results. And quickly recategorise any potential Covid death as a seasonal flu death. They weren’t shy of inflating the numbers of Covid deaths so there shouldn’t be any moral issue for them in deflating the number of positive tests…. Then when we only have a handful of new ‘cases’ per day and no deaths, the pandemic is officially over.
Can you honestly see that happening? SAGE and the PM, with Hancock are too worked up by the fact they have managed to screw the country down with no objections . They love the power and will keep distoring, mismanaging, inflating the figures for years..
As a 74byear old who should be “vulnerable” (anone who refers to me as such will get what they deserve!) I agree. I can make my own choices – I do not like large crowds in any case, but the constant repetition of slogans, nannying by little council hitlers etc, mask wearing etc is something that gets right up my nose. It’s now time for the PM and SAGE to butt out and let the virus take its course, but get normal life back so that the economy, people’s mental health othe health conditions can be properly dealt with.
There is a difference between a belief and an opinion. As you say, you can change an opinion with rational argument but not a belief. Since the ‘Cult-Of-Covid’ is now a belief for many they are indeed lost to reason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4BdGyQqDo&feature=youtu.be
In Michael O’Bernicia’s and David Parker’s opinion the virus myth must be bust for legal actions to be successful and to reunite societies. The medical profession and scientific community are dishonesly upholding the myth.
I wonder if you caught in that video Michael O’Bernicia stating that the originating draft of the Coronavirus Act was drawn up in November ’19 (or before), because he did a search and located the document which was dated Nov ’19.
And as soon as he publicised that fact, the date was removed, and then replaced with a document with a later date.
From this timepoint:-
https://youtu.be/8s4BdGyQqDo?t=4363
No doubting in my mind the conspiratorial nature of the whole global phenomenon.
Though I can perfectly see why Mike Yeadon confines himself to what he does, because he wants to avoid the ‘conspiracy theorist’ tag.
‘Conspiracy theorist’ and ‘Anti-vaxxer’ are the two most pernicious tags that are widely employed to discredit individuals or groups who simply wish to air the whole truth.
I’ve believed for some time now that Mike Yeadon has been extraordinarily generous in presenting our officialdom with a plausible ladder with which they can climb out of this well of shit they find themselves in.
I suspect their vanity, narcissism and duplicity will prevent them from taking the first rung, instead continuing to double down hoping the masses continue to believe their bile.
For their crimes, they deserve no less than facing the hangman, without a hood.
But I’ll settle for their public humiliation and a life ‘true life’ sentence spent back in that well, polishing turds.
They genuinely make me feel murderous.
We’re witnessing a split in society. Where one section seeks to be controlled and repressed by government in exchange for ‘protection’ and the other section seeks to live in freedom, but with risk.
Can you spot the correlation between Brexiteers, lovers of freedom and sovereignty and Remainers who want to be controlled?
I’m a Remainer and a Lockdown Sceptic who wishes to decide my own level of risk.
I was a remainer because I thought being in bed with Europe was better than submitting to US standards. Now I see it’s a frying pan and fire situation.
On the other hand, I never thought for one minute that dePiffle intended to deliver anything other than a crash-out Brexit.
Remainer here too
Having lived through the Hong Kong flu pandemic (80,000 dead) and the Asian flu of 1957/8 (over 33,000 dead) I’ll take my chance. And those who are too scared or whining to come out and live can stay in their little bunkers and frighten themselves to death
The religion is ‘caring’, which is actually virtue signalling, and is being perpetuated by social media. Except for the very old, or people with serious illnesses, none of the measures that the adherents take are for themselves, they are ‘for others’; ‘for the vulnerable’. What is worse is that they are imposing this code on their impressionable children, who have known nothing else. A whole generation will grow up thinking that their education and their aspirations don’t matter and should be subjugated to ‘protecting’ obese benefit claimants and others who make no contribution to the economy.
This new religion has been seized upon by the left of centre and the obsessive Remainers as a means of undermining and humiliating a Tory government. The irony is that they are actually being useful idiots to a government that is perpetuating the ‘crisis’ to make money for its friends (as Mike Yeadon almost says but doesn’t quite) and finds it convenient to prevent public gatherings and protest while it finalised its Brexit deal.
No.
If mandatory mask-wearing were abandoned this afternoon, then by Christmas at the very latest, nobody would be wearing them.
Most people would give it up by tomorrow evening.
Absolutely.
What happens when they are told that they’ll still be muzzled after being jabbed?
It reminds me of the pleasure boat full of the muzzled the skipper took one look and said’ we are going out in the fresh sea air , you don’t have to wear those things’. off they came,, the sheeple need orders to obey.
As late as that? I’ve got a coal fire – anyone down my way could come and urn theirs in my grate ASAP, if the restrictions were removed. And most masks are fxxx al use for protection anyway.
COVIDballs, like BREXIT, is an issue that just presses the tribal button these (sad) days. If you’re a bigger government groupie, collective ‘action’/they know best kow-tower, worshipper of the biggest (unaccountable) governments ever devised (World this n that, European Anything, Davos divinity…), and congenital knee trembler and taker, then Lockdown and the EU is for you. Darwin was on to something.
In my state, it is becoming very prevalent. I am hoping as many people actually get it and it is mild, the fear may subside.
I think the fact most of us haven’t had it or if we had we didn’t notice proves something.
Nicaragua and Tanzania.
I for one agree with you.
The continued ignorance of the new research or court decisions on masks and tests, for example, prove your points.
As in Germany in 1945, the change of mind can and will only happen after the catastrophes (hyperinflation, government bankrupcies, depression, vaccine deaths and damages) have happened.
I think it won’t take that long.
Didn’t know about Nicaragua if so Viva El Presidente Daniel Ortega!!
It is very much like a religion , or a religious cult
I think there is much truth in this. I decided I was against it all on March 23rd as I watched Johnson with his doom laden address to the nation. It was partly on instinct as I decided that,on past experience,when everyone agrees with me I must be wrong and that government has no right to tell me what to do in this way and also that,as an economist, I felt that deliberately wrecking your economy can never be a sensible thing to do. Those who violently disagreed with me at the time still do so only even more violently! I cannot see this changing anytime soon.
I’m afraid I don’t agree that ‘ covid orthodoxy’ is analogous to a religion. Much conventional religion is perfectly plausible. A committed Christian will reject medical evidence that a man cannot come back to life after being dead for three days because by definition miracles are violations of the natural order. Their faith would more likely be shaken by evidence such a thing was naturally possible. Christians (and other religious adherents) believe a power exists outside the natural order that can intervene within it. ‘Rationalists’ reject such a supposition but both positions are based on faith.
‘Covid orthodoxy seems more like a cult. They believe, contrary to the evidence, that masks prevent infection, just as certain fringe groups think the earth is hollow and there is a civilisation on the inner surface, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Our current compass of the ‘Natural Order’ is an emotionally or psychically invested Model that becomes internally structured and protected against risk of change, instead of the presumption of correction in which a presumed fact is revised back to either an open set of hypotheses waiting on evidential support or disproof, or the not knowing of an honest place from which to observe and seek answer.
Likewise an invested Economic Model or Medical Model.
Investments are generally self-seeking until a more profound compassion awakens. Developments are marketised and weaponised to private agenda masking as ‘public good’ or saving us all from an endless supply of evils – which become the goose that lays the golden egg and so is – like war and sickness – protected as an energy supply and source of identity.
There’s more of this post at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/when-life-is-sacrificed-to-save.html
In terms of possibilities you could have painted it a lot worse.
But in terms of probabilities we only have the parameters of what we know or have awareness of.
Part of the media blitz and ratchet up of regulatory constrictions is to induce a breaking of the will, as in disarming and domesticating an animal, and then set to breed out the unwanted characteristics both psychologically but also genetically in new stock.
However, the core agenda is a controlled demolition by which to oversee and establish control over what replaces it – much of which is out front as ‘reset’ and 4th reich of a biosecurity state – coupled with guilted ‘carbon units’.
The pseudo religion rises from what Jesus warned against when he said ‘resist ye not evil’.
If you ‘get’ your (masking) identity of virtue by setting against the feared, hated and denied, then it frames and runs what seems to be a worthy cause, and interprets anything that undermines or does not support its cause as part of the problem or aligned with the evil.
That which identifies us truly is love – not social masking. And yet in a realm of social masking or ‘identity’ politicking of fragmented tribalism love has no reception, because the truth of love is love of truth – not love of self-reinforcement set against the ‘other’.
There are many who have identity masking in the forms of religion – as with any other set of ideas, beliefs, teachings or models as to what reality is and is not. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater would be like judging Science by the behaviours of corporate corruption and generating an anti-science identity such as to refuse to listen to or consider anything expressed in what is set as ‘deceit by experts’.
There is deeply set emotional investment that cannot be reached by rational discourse because it is defending a fear that is not really here, or in the case of the agencies of pushing this agenda, of fear of consequences if they do not comply.
What are the incentives that make an offer that most cannot refuse?
Carrots and sticks.
The unparalleled imbalance in the distribution of wealth and control in our world is an unlimited purse – indeed a magic money tree along with a network of connection and support to execute its agenda as a many fronted long term strategy.
The loss of consciousness is not seemingly noticed by many, but the phrase use it or lose it, applies. Thinking – or what passes as thinking – is a masking or blocking signal to a deeper and direct awareness or presence. Call it mind control. The crisis is a tightening contraction of the mask to a denser and darker realm in which fantasy is piped to the compliant, who will not be able to bear or recognise reality for the fear, hate and demonsisation projected onto it.
This is where we came in (As I used to say in the ‘pictures’ as we called the cinema then and it ran continuous and let you in and out at any time. There is an opportunity to recognise the pattern and choose to go the other way – which is to meet the fears, hates and demonisations that we projected onto discarded, judged and denied life and world.
Then you may realise – that’s where Jesus is calling or pointing to – as a Reintegrative healing and redeeming of living truth we never really lost, so much as covered over from the panic of fear given power or priority in our mind.
If you take the term naked as meaning exposed to lack, inadequacy, invalidity or illegitimacy, the “WHO told you you were naked?” is the freedom and support in our being to ask and find answer to where such ‘thinking’ arises and what is nature is. Doubt and division isn’t just done by the 77 Brigade on their fellow beings, but something we do to ourselves unknowing – and if we didn’t have such inner conflicts, we would be ‘immune’ to such manipulative deceits.
Spiked: Why aren’t more artists standing up to lockdown?.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/30/why-arent-more-artists-standing-up-to-lockdown/
Excellent article and like retail, culture and heritage, they have been quick to jump on bandwagons such as BLM, LGBTQ+ and whatever else but they’ve been silent on the assault on our civil liberties, right to make an honest living and creeping totalitarianism.
If they want to survive then they need to fight back now. Otherwise they’re complicit and deserve the economic reckoning that’s coming. When theatres, venues and organisations go bust they shouldn’t be coming to the public to beg for money. Instead they should look at themselves in the mirror and realise that its their cowardice that has caused the demise of their sector not the virus.
The discrepancy between their support of the rights of certain movements but complete lack of interest in supporting all of our civil liberties can simply be explained through social media. That is where all of this is coming from. Facebook, Twitter, and Google.
Perhaps the current lot are all clean-living millennials and therefore terrified of dying. People like Clapton have almost killed themselves so often that their fear of death disappeared years ago.
There does seem to be that fear of dying which to me smacks of narcissism and entitlement. Perhaps that’s the reason why we’re in this mess.
You do have to think also that they are fairly untouchable by social media whereas the younglings are dependent on social media and because of that can be shut down. Because of this, as hard as they try they can’t get to JKR or Eric or Van the man.
Fair point, although there are plenty younger than Clapton who have made enough money to be untouchable.
Because so many artists have their mouths guzzling at the tit of public spending.
Because artists are, by nature, on the left, and thus more inclined to respond to perceived suffering than to cold facts, and more open to social media which regulates their view of the world. So not only are they not the kind of people to be skeptical, they’re not interested in taking in the kind of content that makes one a skeptic, and the kind of content that they do take in is pushing them further and further away from reason.
Most younger artists nowadays are up to the neck in woke issues, identity and gender, race issues, whatever they are. just stroll, well you could once, around any provincial gallery looking at the older artists to see, skill, vision and aesthetics sadly lacking in the lot since the YBA’s Also many modernists and surrealists went through tough shit through depression and wars, still producing great art.
“Soul Sacrifice” by Santana at Woodstock during the Avian Flu pandemic…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaaT_HRb4GU
Does anyone else have trouble sleeping thinking about all of the grannies they have killed?
As a Mail commenter puts it
‘I’m not allowed to hug a granny but 6 Police Officers can carry her down the street and bundle her into a van.’
No you don’t understand. That’s was for her own good. Just like when they lock a 90 year old up in a rest home and ban family visits, ban everything and let them live in utter solitude.
It’s to protect them to help them live a long and happy life to come. Presumably through Buddhist philosophies of reincarnation?
Sometimes it’s the utter hypocrisy of it that gets right under my skin.
Excellent comment! Wish it was a stand alone comment!
I had trouble sleeping last night because my just four-year-old grandson was crying as he can’t go into his friend’s house to visit yet he sees him at school every day and he is able to play with him in the park. The fact that four-year-olds are terrified is a national disgrace and every MP should hang their heads in shame, but they are so up their own fundamental I don’t think they will even notice. We are heading for generations of children with government induced mental health problems. Words cannot explain my contempt for the political class.
Get all the parents together and refuse to follow the so called rules. They cannot arrest everyone at the school. Unless people get together this will never end. It will be hard, but most people are just waiting for someone to stand up first and will then follow.
You’d be surprised – and dismayed – by how stupid many of the parents are. This is how schools got away with inventing their own covid rules which are much more draconian than the official ones.
Every MP should hang. There fixed it for you!
Can we have a crows fund for the rope? I’ll chip in for Johnson,Hancock, Gove and Raab for a start.
My husband and I looked after our 7 year old granddaughter one day a week from age 1 to 4. In August her Dad wanted her to come and spend the day with us. She had got so unused to us she needed coaxing for 30 minutes before she’d come. Of course, she loved it once she was with us ;.Just how much damage have the PM and SAGE inflicted on our children?And will they ever get over it?
I’m puzzled as to why I have killed loads of grannies but not one grandad.
They don’t live as long and most are men nagged and overworked into an early grave due to pussy blindness.
Decades ago, it was found that most women live longer lives without a man around, whereas most men live shorter lives without a woman around.
Male lives matter!
I know I have been involved in infection chains all my life that probably culminated in the death of a vulnerable person. I didn’t do it deliberately, nor do any of you who have also done so in your thousands. We get a bad cold or flu, we stay at home because we feel dreadful or it’s the right thing to do. However, with our first coughing and spluttering before we withdrew we passed it to somebody at work, in a shop or on the bus. They then passed in on to someone else who passed it on to someone else who passed into on to a frail elderly person they were visiting and lo and behold we have killed a granny (grandads are also available but sadly in smaller numbers).
We have been doing that since the dawn of the species but only now do we panic about it.
There is a fundamental issue here about how we deal with such risks in the future.
The old way was that we accepted a degree of such risk in order to get on with life. The New Way (that has been approaching for decades but is only now becoming really intrusive) is the full medicalisation of minor ailments (which can obviously be serious or terminal for the vulnerable).
But once we set off down that road in earnest, treating flus and colds as potential death sentences, holding people responsible for not spreading them, investing trillions in vaccines, lockdowns, etc, and becoming obsessively protective against them, there is no turning back to sanity.
Without regular natural stimulation, our immune systems will become less effective, and ordinary circulating viruses etc will become far more dangerous. Without natural exposure, there will only be protection against the things you are explicitly injected for There is a dependency situation being create here that will be difficult to turn back from
And the creation of a belief system that says that people have no responsibility for their own health. Therefore, people are ‘living with obesity’, rather than ‘fat’, which implies poor life choices. We are no longer allowed to judge the lifestyle choices of others and say that they have brought ill health on themselves. The same applies to smoking, drinking, taking drugs, having children when they have no means of supporting them, etc.
Most of us probably drink and some smoke, but I’m sure we do so knowing that it is probably bad for us in excess and assessing the risk. If we became ill as a result, we would probably have the attitude of ‘it’s a fair cop’. That is no longer allowed.
What is allowed, of course, is judging people for using cars and eating meat, but that is more because of the effect on ‘others’ and ‘the vulnerable’, rather than on the individuals doing it.
You are right it has been developing gradually. So many forms of risk have been gradually eliminated such as letting children play out,the old routemaster buses,slam shut train doors etc etc that any risk is now deemed to be unacceptable. I suspect this is going to be the way of the future. Anyone who dies from flu will be seen as someone who has been killed by a selfish person living a normal life. Young people are expected to emasculate their futures in order to keep someone alive who might only have had months anyway. These are serious issues but the future answers seem likely to destroy society itself in order to keep us all safe.
Very nicely argued. Why is risk so difficult a concept to accept? we all cross roads, walk in snow, climb stairs and steps, etc. all those can lead to risk. My Dad dropped dead at 70 outside a football match – maybe we should ban sports matches as people can die going to them.
This is one grandma that fully accepts the risk and wants to get back to life as soon as possible – like tomorrow. I’ve lived through 2 pandemics and don’t give a castlemain 4xxxx about panicking
My Mum is now a granny. Not only has she (and my Dad, but no-one cares about grandads of course) regularly visited us during the course of the various lockdowns, I’ve even hugged her. Miraculously, she is still alive.
BTW, unlike some people on here, I do believe that C-19 is a disease, and that it did/is killing some people. Not even vaguely near enough to justify any of the restrictions, but the spike in April/May can’t be entirely explained by the closure of the hospitals etc, and it was too late in the year to be normal flu. And, even though it is now endemic, endemic diseases do still kill people, just not that many people.
Which is a long way of saying, it is possible (although very unlikely) that my mum (a granny) will die of C-19. However, if that did happen, the likelihood of that being directly because of her meeting up with me and my giving it to her asymptomatically is microscopic. It would be much more likely she got it in the supermarket or something. The idea that we should limit human contact with our nearest and closest friends and families in order to combat this is just insane. Genuinely evil insanity.
My friend said to me the other day that she was off to visit her mother. Her mother’s need to see her was stronger than her need to be “protected”. Too true, why can we not let families make these decisions for themselves?
Did you ever worry about passing on colds or flu to anyone? When you drive your car do you worry about killing people.?My point is you cannot live your life fearing you might kill someone. It will lead to madness. Life is for living, this is not a dress rehearsal, there will be no encore!
Isolating people weakens their immune systems and kills them.
It weakens the immune system which leaves you susceptible to illnesses which is probably part of their plan.
My 94 y.o granny has said she would rather die in her sleep than continue living in this environment.
Do grannies have trouble sleeping thinking of all the young people whose lives have been wrecked, ostensibly on their behalf?
I don’t have trouble sleeping but I am very concerned about the cost to my children and grandchildren.
Worrying solves absolutely nothing, and is extremely draining of energy. So I tend to avoid doing it, in favour of finding things I can actually do, no matter how seemingly small. Meeting the world with a smiling bare face is one example.
No, but I do lose sleepover the businesses that have failed, the abuse in home, the suicides, the non covid deaths .the jobs lost, the mental health epidemic.
Very interesting figures from the NYT if you drill down to the zip code level death stats. There was a Satmar (orthodox Jewish) wedding at which there were reportedly 7500 people. At any rate if you look at the video in the NY Post there were definitely huge numbers, all in one large room, packed together and singing.
Now this community is concentrated in Kensington and Williamsburg, both in Brooklyn.
The zip codes are 11218 and 11211. The wedding happened on 8 November. 22 days later there were a grand total of 1-2 Covid deaths over the past week out of around 175,000 people – is there anyone there who still doesn’t believe in herd immunity ?
Good one. I would say spicy chicken soup might have a lot to do with hardly any covids in the area. It’s is a well known to cure almost all ills.
We are all criminals now,
Right !
So national lockdowns have gone from being the “nuclear option” to a coercive tool wheeled out by the Fat Dictator whenever he needs to blackmail MPs into sparing his blushes.
This is so far beyond mere incompetence or bad management – it is the planned destruction of the economy to transfer wealth to the Davos elites and their lackeys in world governments. They will send millions of us to early graves in order to accomplish their oppressive, eco-fascist Reset.
Personally, I’m at a stage where I would no longer condemn any attempt made on the lives of these sadistic psychopaths. I would not shed a solitary tear for any of them.
Great comment Scotty, you put into words what I’ve been thinking for a few days.
The terror alert was raised, wonder why? Boris exchanged Police protection for SAS, wonder why?
We are being reset. By coercion, persuasion or force if necessary. But we are being reset. Many of us are on the list to die. Preferably at home and alone, can’t have a fuss can we?
We are the resistance.
Arnie.
Has Boris really upped his protection? When did that happen?
I would …I would cry after I would not be able to piss any longer on their grave, over, and over, and over…They are scum, the lot of them and deserve to be fragged (for any ex army bods out there, you know what this means)
As frequent commenter Julian has pointed out, even if we get out of the present predicament, if another respiratory disease springs up in future the government’s response is likely to be lockdown as a first resort when it should be the last.
Whoever did it would definitely be doing us all a favour…make them a patron saint.
Careful now, 77th may be reading, and you may get a knock on the door…
From the roundup
‘Govt. Advice for the Christmas Period’
Ends with the attached
‘There is something wrong with this page’
“Yes, it’s all a load of bollocks. Merry Xmas”
What were you looking for: sensible advice.
What went wrong: could only find government guidance.
What’s that spinning noise? Oh that would be Mrs Beaton!! I thought this was a spoof till I saw the original. Do you think the term power mad megalomaniac is too understated. SAGE; a herb best grown normally under a pile of warm shit. Can be very invasive if not properly controlled with controlled and regular trimming!
If Mike Yeadon is right, and I can see no reason to doubt it, how is the pseudodemic to be stopped?
Will they wait for a week or two after the magic jab is ‘rolled out’, then stop PCR testing and declare the demic over?
It would still be smoke and mirrors, but used productively for once.
It would also be a clever thing to do, which presumably makes it unthinkable. And it would be the end of power for Turdgeon, Dungford and the rest of the totalitarian goons, who don’t want the pseudodemic ever to end.
Having read his piece good as it is,I found a couple of errors.He takes at face value the 40,000 deaths attributed to Covid.It is indisputable fact that the figures are unreliable.No one knows how many people died from/with or at all.Also he said the hospitals were busy in April when it has been proven that apart from ICU wards they were half empty.
Apart from that a good piece but no one in power is listening.
I think he probably knows that the numbers are over inflated but is just using numbers that people recognise? It’s a great bit of work and should be headline news with a debate on the BBC and GMB with Sage members the chuckle brothers and Mike. Remember, the way these issues used to be dealt with?
There’s a small comfort in the fact that the lateral flow test seems to have a lower false positive rate. Liverpool’s reduction from Tier 3 is partially naked politics (look, if you’re good and submit to mass testing we’ll let you off the lead a little more) but it’s partially driven by the fact that when they mass tested with the lateral flow test the numbers went down sharply. The BMJ tried to claim this showed the test was missing cases, but interestingly the Government ignored them.
There are two ways you can look at this. The generous interpretation is that the Government is genuinely trying to look for a way to climb down and this gives them cover to do so. That isn’t that convincing, as the Government has had other opportunities and not taken them. Another, more convincing possibility, is that someone (probably Hancock) has investment in the lateral flow test – hence the health passport idea where you have to get tested twice a week to be allowed a “normal” life. In the former case, the thing will end because the Government does actually want it to. In the latter case, even assuming Hancock’s greed is limitless and he’ll continue this until he’s the only person in the country with any money left, I think it’s impossible that the corruption will remain hidden and the edifice will collapse in scandal when it is exposed either in the media or the courts.
I don’t believe they tested any where near the numbers of people in Liverpool they claim to have. In fact i don’t believe they test hardly anyone. They’re making this shit up. The test centres are empty, the hospitals are empty, the doctors are empty. This is showing we don’t need them. Shut down the NHS and make Private health care the way forward. The NHS is a total disgrace and after turning my mrs away from A&E last night, not letting her in, no one would speak to her, i despise them. You turn up having went deaf and had blood coming from her ear and they refused to even open the fucking door. They are scum and if i could find out who the bastard was they’d be bleeding from their fucking ear pretty soon.
I’m not sure what the motive would be in claiming to have tested more people than they actually have (unless the people making the claim are being paid by the test, in which case I’d expect them to claim more positives to keep the money rolling in) but in the current environment almost anything seems possible.
On the NHS – I turned against it a long time ago. Even before this year, I’ve personally seen it let people die by refusing to test for cancer or by spending months dithering over what action to take after a heart attack, neglect and abuse people in hospital, blame people for the side-effects of medication they’ve told them to take, force someone to drive in agony to hospital with a cyst in torsion because they wouldn’t send an ambulance, and scaremonger and lie through their teeth in an attempt to bully them into unnecessary surgery. I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m convinced that having a monopoly and being staffed by people who are all too susceptible to the Wormtongues of the unions telling them they are underpaid angels superior to all other life on Earth is a major part of the problem. I sympathise with your experience and I hope you find a solution and there is no permanent damage.
“I’m not sure what the motive would be in claiming to have tested more people than they actually have”, really?
If the motive was to keep us in fear then falsifying the testing would only make sense if it resulted in numbers that justified the policies being enacted. Nobody would be criticising the new tier system if the numbers had skyrocketed over the last few weeks – in fact it would look more magnaminous than simply contiuing lockdown. If the reason is corruption then, again, it makes no sense to let the numbers go down, because that way leads to the end of your contract.
It’s the look of it. The signs, the queues, the masks, the closed NHS, the fake testing. All of it is a movie and since most of us are fucking cabbages it looks real. They want you in fear. I look forward to the big release from it. They feed on our emotions They are loving the fear and the loathing. They control us, manipulate us and despise us. Fuck them and their control. Free your mind from the movie. Just watch what happens on the Solstice. These fucks are biblical in their behaviour and this whole charade is a ritual. Started at the Olympics and ends, well i don’t know but it will be on one of the Equinoxes.
They have already announced two lockdowns around each of the last two equinoxes and also on the Blue Moon on Halloween.
Yep they are esoteric git wizards for sure.
I was amused to see Nadhim Zahawi on BBC’s Question Time last week exploit the testing in Liverpool to declare that “it proved that we live in a democracy” – clearly the irony was lost on him. Claire Fox had (as a sole voice on the panel,of course) argued that we are now living in a tyrannical society where all our freedoms and rights have been taken away from us…”we no longer live in a democracy”. Zahawi’s retort was that the sight of the people of Liverpool uniting in their desire to do their civic duty by being tested was clear evidence that democracy is alive and well. I nearly fell off my chair.
He’s a card isn’t he?
Other 4 letter words are available.
Yep, but you’ll be banned. web all know them in any case.
Seriously? He said we live in a democracy? He must be madder than I thought. What part of hell does he come from?
Not sure I can wait till then. That’s 3 weeks away. We need, as Churchill had it “action this day”
I’ve been starting to think this too. I live in Redbridge, which was meant to be next in line for mass testing after Liverpool. Admittedly, I ignore all of this stuff, but I’ve not seen any evidence anywhere of people being tested here. Not a single email from the Council, not a single person knocking on the door, not a single flyer, not a single billboard or advert regarding testing, not a single ‘testing centre’ with queues of people at it.
And how can anybody possibly verify the statistics they put out? They’re like Soviet Five Year Plans, or the figures for boot production in Oceania.
I think the problem with the Liverpool tests – I know people in Liverpool and about half of them went to be tested, not that that has any bearing on the actual number – Sorry, the problem is that the Army administered tests showed a dramatically lower rate of infection than the PCR tests, thus shattering the evidence for lockdown. Of course they are not going to extend them elsewhere.
God that is bloody diabolical.
Yes how can it be stopped because it seem that no matter what evidence is placed before them they are unstoppable. Given that a date in February is mentioned for the end of these Tiers (yes right just like 3 weeks to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed…) I wonder is that actually when they hope to have mass vaccination underway. We’ll have to see but they may well be disappointed on that front, everyone I know is questioning this vaccine including elderly relatives over 80 years…
There is no vaccine and there won’t ever be one
There will be injections called vaccines which will be said to work because infections will fall naturally. It’s the way the Goverment will save face when it reluctantly releases us.
The army are building vaxx centres at football clubs – one at bristol city football and read of another somewhere. At bristol plan about 100k vaxx a week!
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/army-arrive-ashton-gate-set-4748648
Ironically I think the dodgy testing has had one good effect, at the start of all this the virus was an unknown ‘terror’ but now every person and their dog has either been tested or knows people who have been tested, some -ve some +ve (the dog was probably +ve) and mostly nothing has happened, nobody was ill and nobody died and in that way the dodgy testing means that an increasing number of people are seeing the virus as a damp squib. We live in hope.
I don’t know a single person who’s been tested or a single person with the “virus” so i don’t know where you get this idea that there is mass testing going on. There isn’t. Sure they make it look like it is but it ain’t.
I work at a university and therefore know lots of people aged 18-21 who have been tested; many of them tested positive. I have taught some of them on zoom. They were a bit pink around the eyes, but in good spirits and perfectly able to concentrate on the seminar. Now, they are all well again. There must be tens of thousands of students around the country who now know that ‘having the virus’ is not a major life event.
“Alethea” sorry if i’m wrong but i don’t believe you. Sure you may be on the line but in this climate i distrust anyone who says anything close to the government line. I don’t believe they’re testing at universities either. My friends son is at a big university in Edinburgh and they said on the telly that they were testing students and he was waiting to be tested and not a peep yet they were saying on tv how they were being tested. It’s all bent
I can only speak for my own experience: I cannot know what happens anywhere else. But at my university there is a testing centre in a white tent in a carpark, with guards in hi-viz tabards. I personally know many students who have been tested, either because they had symptoms or because another student in their household bubble had a positive test. Students here live in groups of 12 or so; if one of them tests positive they all have to stay in the flat for 2 weeks, unless they subsequently test negative, so they are highly motivated to be tested. During that period, their seminars move online, so as a teacher I am kept up to date with their symptoms and test news etc.
Of course many of these positive tests may be false positives.
i don’t doubt you that there is a tent and some people are being tested but in reality it’s all show. This seems like mass hysteria from the cattle who ware easily manipulated to believe that the black death is everywhere. Shit i had a smoke with a 90 year old man last night. He came to our studio to watch us live stream a gig, something we’ve been doing for months. He’s not bothered his arse. If this dude isn’t scared why the hell is any one else?
got a link so I can watch your band?
How is Mrs Biker today as well?
I would have thought that was a major disincentive to ever get tested, since it places your freedom entirety in the hands of the (PCR failure rate)¹²! I’m just curious, but does the university monitor the testing of these students even if they’re living in private accomodation? Or are the 12-students households university-owned? It all sounds like a total breach of the law in how universities are treating their students – where is the right to medical confidentiality or coercion-free informed consent involved in any of this testing? Or have these legal rights been ignored in favour of peer pressure to “do the right thing” and submit to authority?
I’ve met people who have been tested but not one of them positive.
I’ve also met people who are convinced they had ‘it’ either side of Xmas last year but at the time put it down to flu.
My cleaning lady also works in a care home. She is tested every week.A friend was sent a random test and took it in the belief she was helping society.
I know one who tested positive but I suspected that either she simply had a very bad cold or was using the positive test to have 2 weeks off on full pay.
My niece in Bradford is a nurse and has tested positive. No symptoms whatsoever.
I find that odd. I don’t think the person I know who tested positive had any symptoms at all.
My 99 year old MIL tested positive while in hospital. 14 days later still no symptoms
My daughter was I’ll in Feb and had a high temp and was struggling to breath. She was ill for about a week. They thought she has a chest infection. Of course this was before they started the idea of batflu
Sorry ill stupid spell check
I have been thinking that this might be why they are mass-testing, to undo the fear, or at least have a fear dial. They can turn the dial up or down as they see fit…They think they can anyway. This has worked for them going into autumn to boost the cases but they can only do this once or twice.
However perhaps they are trying to undo the fear because most people who test positive are just fine, many many people can see this now. The covid is a deadly killer story is rapidly running out of steam.
Could it be that this is their get out clause, demonstrating to the sheeple that a +ve test doesn’t mean that they are ill with the deadly rona.
Not in Wales, for sure. Test numbers rising means more fear means more repression means more fun for Dungford.
He might be pro-vaccine, which is why he’s not been shut down on social media, I dunno
We can’t stop viruses. We learn to live with them. Current legislation to stop or eradicate the ‘virus’ is stopping and eradicating life. There is no point in living
There us a huge great big point in kiving.
To oppose the totalitarian swine who are anti-life.
Get in with it.
You hit the nail right on the head inone. If we are not living, but merely existing, as has been the case more or less since March, what the hell is the point of life?
Of course wee burney and Dundbrain don’t want it to end – neither does the Fat controller and Witless and Valium. They just love seeing how high we’ll jump when they tell us to , they have power over us . isn’t it about time the power returned to US?
So Baron Greenback has now realised that this latest dictat will only get through thanks to labour. His first strategy of bringing out loveable rogue Micky Gove to shout at them all has shockingly backfired, so now he presents them with the Sophie’s choice that they can either vote with him, or he will press the never to to be used nuclear button for the third time straight after Xmas and lock the nation in for good. Only this time, it won’t be his fault. No no dear constituents. It will be fault of your local MP.
This is ridiculous now. In the realm of the banana republics.
Does that make Hancock Stiletto or Nero?
It will also be the fault of feckless Carol Singers who are given a remarkably free run in the Government Advice for Xmas, even being allowed to go singing door to door.
“Selfish granny killers. Vectors of death” – i can hear the sheeple bleat.
well, I’m off into a day of work in london now…it feels lonely sometimes being surrounded (on the train and then in the streets) by so many brainwashed mask-loving, flying monkeys.
Nothing lovable about Gove. Conniving back-stabber would be closer.
There’s a lovely image of Symonds and Dilyn today in The Mail Online.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999533/Boris-Carries-DOG-Covid-Dilyn-not-normal-self-PM-ICU.html
Dilyn is on the right.
Two dogs under one roof rarely works
I see he’s been recruited into the scare campaign. A low trick.
Regarding the above photograph of Mrs Dick
In the background all the buildings are boarded up and their are no people on the street. It would appear the TSG welding teams have been at work
‘mission accomplished ‘ would be a suitable caption
Looks like a mock up training street made out of marine ply like the Army put up on Salisbury Plain – or a Hollywood back lot.
She’s here – where they train people up to deal with dissenters.
https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/metropolitan-police-specialist-training-centre-mpstc/
Is that where they learned how to execute Jean Charles de Menezes?
I went to a government training facility once back in the old days, an old industrial complex with big ware houses. The cops and military and the SAS used it to train in.
At the time it was peak rave ( the mid-late 90’s) and one of the factory buildings was turned into a RAVE, complete with day glow smilies painted around the place. The floor was littered with smoke cannisters and other pyro technical junk from flash bangs and tear gas bombs most likely.
That was interesting and showed what the government took to be a threat priority at the time.
Nowadays the threat priority us anybody, anywhere, who is behaving like a human being.
Heil Bozo!
The spaffing Johnson threatens his party with his own behaviour – ‘look what you will have made me do’ – while posing as a mock Churchill saving Christmas.
Is he just trolling us, blatantly taking the piss out of the entire country? Or is he actually stupid enough to believe anyone takes him seriously in the terms he presents himself?
Churchill he is not. Did you read that rambling nonsense in the press over the weekend. It’s the sort of ting you would write after downing a bottle of Scotch thinking its Shakespeare..
Yes, but does it indicate advanced mental dissolution, or is he just taking the piss?
Pity he was too pissed to find the Webley.
Or the Katana, might take a bit longer, as he might struggle to find his heart, bastard!
Rat says there is a 3rd wave coming so yaa-boo to Dr. Yeadon.
Naval types and mariners are waiting for the 9th wave, the biggest wave of all.
Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.
Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he’s dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.
Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.
Watching repeats of Cheers EVERY morning before work for the last 8 months as I can’t bring myself to watch breakfast news. Feel like topping myself!
Lockdown Sceptics: the place where everyone (and GCHQ) knows your name.
They already had my name – being here is just another entry in the file.
I remember, back in the 1990s, my (Irish) civil servant Dad telling me that GCHQ were monitoring all phone calls from Ireland that passed into/through the UK. Internet traffic (which would have appeared from the end of the 1990s on) would be a logical extension.
Is that supposed to worry us?
and Cheers is excellent
Daily Mail
First Covid vaccine could get UK approval within DAYS – as government bids to recruit celebrities and social media stars to counter ‘concerning’ anti-vaxxer theories online
The comments are choice.
If you have a dodgy vaccine, don’t confuse people with ‘science’, jut get celebrities to promote it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8999117/Marcus-Rashford-rumoured-star-recruits-promote-Covid-19-jab-counter-anti-vax-scare.html#comments
Marcus seems like a sensible lad – perhaps someone could let him know in advance about how Pfizer kill African children in illegal medical trials. See if he fancies shilling for them then. https://www.outsourcing-pharma.com/Article/2008/01/14/Pfizer-vows-to-fight-on-after-Nigeria-arrests
My friends dad is a pharmasict in a hospital and they have been told they will get the vaccine in 2 weeks.
I’ve just been for a blood test. Lovely way to start a Monday! I commented to the nurse that I imagined that she’d be getting geared up to inject stuff into people rather than take it out. “Any time now, it’s the only thing that will stop this horrible covid” was the reply. Tempted as I might have been to say, “actually, if we stopped complying that would probably do it too”, I instead beat a hasty retreat.
They were in the middle of a “flu clinic” and the sight of flu vaccine related bunting everywhere had given me the willies.
Patriotic advertising for big pharma?
Yep – Seqirus. Don’t posters like this just give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside?
No problem. When the adverse effects start rolling in, we can just sue the fucking celebrities as well.
The virtue-signallers will love that. Masks and complaints of feeling on death’s door to elevate themselves to status of covid saints
I hope all their horrible arms swell up and fall off.
A celebrity suing the Fascist Junta would be good.
Ooh ooh, can we suggest celebs to be first? That quack Hilary and Piers the pie Morgan. The BBC News team.
So it turns out that ‘COVID Mary’ is just a clumsy poorly trained teenage lab assistant.
Or Covid Mary is everyone who’s healthy
Festive Protest Suggestion. I wouldn’t put it past the police to clampdown on this given their performance in London on Saturday.
Do pop up choirs all over London.
Choral flash mob
Change the lyrics. I’m sure we have a few poets amongst us.
To be fair to Simon Heffer he looks like a sick fucker and in private i’m sure he gets up to all sorts, these kind of people always do.
During his short lived spell as Editor at the Telegraph Simon Heffer sent all journalists and editors a lengthy email demanding that they cease using the words ‘The Magna Carta’, there is no indefinite article, simply Magna Carta.
That is impressive. David Starkey would be proud
He was right but perhaps other issues were more important?
That was my point, it made him an industry laughing stock. A copy of the email was sent to me by a Sunday Times sub editor of my acquaintance.
Strictly speaking “the” is the definite article (“a” is the indefinite article) but his point would be that Latin doesn’t contain articles – it’s all done with conjugation, so Magna Carta literally means “The Great Charter”, not sure what the Latin for “A Great Charter” would be (Googles translate reckons it’s still Magna Carta, which must be wrong). It comes from the same school of thought that says you shouldn’t split infinitives (i.e. to boldy go) which is based on the fact that in Latin infinitives are always one word and therefore impossible to split. Basically it’s a bit of a daft position to take given that we speak English, not Latin.
I feel a Monty Python moment coming on: Conjugate the verb “to go”… “100 times before dawn or I’ll cut your bollocks off”
Latin has no definite or indefinite article, so ‘Magna Carta’ can mean either ‘the Great Charter’ or ma Great Charter’.
From the Twitter feed of Professor Robert Dingwall a government advisor on pandemics. Why aren’t the government listening to him?
”As a public health scientist, I think it is irresponsible to continue promoting fear and anxiety about the Covid-19 risks of Christmas when we cannot know the circumstances of every individual’s life.
I am 70 with no known co-morbidities. Several of my likely family visitors have already had Covid and recovered. They will still be largely immune from reinfection – risk is 1 in several million. I shall hug them freely.
I have four grandchildren under 6. Children of this age represent a minimal risk. I shall hug them as freely as I have done all along because I think the value to each party exceeds the risk.
People should be properly informed of the risks – and the uncertainties of the evidence for them – but it is for them to decide what risk/benefit balance to tolerate not for public health scientists or politicians to preach at them. “
In case nobody has mentioned this – problems with Oxford/ AZ Vaccine trials in India –
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/coronavirus-covishield-vaccine-volunteer-sues-serum-institute-of-india-oxford-group-over-adverse-reaction/article33201686.ece
“A 40-year-old volunteer for ‘Covishield’, the candidate vaccine being tested by the Pune-based Serum Institute of India (SII), has sued the company for ₹5 crore, alleging that the vaccine triggered an adverse reaction, which includes neurological impairment and an inability to get back to the life before being inoculated.
He has also demanded, via a legal notice sent to the SII, AstraZeneca and the Oxford Vaccine Group, that the vaccine trial, which is now being tested on 1,600 volunteers in India, be immediately halted.
The person’s discharge summary says he was “discharged at request” and was recovering from “acute encephalopathy”. He also had Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D deficiency, and had a probable “connective tissue disorder”.
Not good
There were a couple of times when the trial was halted due to causing neurological issues. The first time they tried to claim it was because the person had a pre-existing condition and the trial resumed. Not sure what happened the second time, but the FDA are still refusing to sign off on the vaccine as far as I’m aware.
I don’t want this fu**ing vaccine, nor to download an app that proves I’ve had the vaccine. An app owned by a Conservative politician looking to get rich. We are being branded by Pharma and tech
Gemma O’Doherty in Ireland has it right. There needs to be long jail sentences dished out when this is all over, in her country and here.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/C9GNMCoFF5HB/
Absolutely. The offficals who engaged in active censorship and fear mongering cannot simply rely on the panic excuse. It is their job to provide impartial and considered advice but it became, almost immediately, a dogmatic lockstep beat the drum for vaccines approach.
De-bunking PCR is the best thing we can do to fight this nonsense, seems like the lateral flow test will replace it and then legal proceedings in Portugal could set precedent in the EU and so called Global Britain will eventually fall into line, hopefully paving the way for the affected to file lawsuits.
It’s not about health
You can read the Swiss article in English by going to https://translate.google.co.uk/
then putting in the web address on the left, pick English on the top right , click address on rhs and happy reading.
https://ivmmeta.com/
This is a full reference of studies in English
https://inn24.ca/index.php/2020/11/29/who-and-lancet-investigations-into-pandemics-origins-lack-independence-and-credibility/ WHO and Lancet investigations into pandemic’s origins lack independence and credibility
A very well -balanced short report with several links. Even in MSM (Washington Post) is concerned about the independence of the investigation. This taboo in MSM seems to have been broken after the Relman’s article saying that a laboratory accident cannot be ruled out. China is increasing the pressure now claiming the origin of C-19 in India and also repression of medical staff in Wuhan.
I’ve just sent an e-mail to my local paper asking why my posts underneath Covid articles are being disabled on a regular basis. It appears that I can’t even reply to responses made to my posts before they were taken down.
All my posts contain easily verifiable facts and figures and simply ask readers to look into those facts.
This is North Korea.
Local Live (mirror group news) ?
Yes, is that the reason k?
Full on Corona horror and lockdown zealots and every article has 200k likes as soon as it goes online, probably doesn’t get 200k page views.
Our local paper is just The Most Horrible Thing Ever.
A total shit-show of communitarian bollocks and propaganda. Nobody bothers with comments on their stupid web site, nobody reads them. If people do comment and say anything that goes against the official narrative they are deleted.
One monumental shower of bastards.
As a historian of that period, the “Roaring Twenties” is much a myth as the “Swinging Sixties” was. It only affected a very, very small segment of society and while its true that there were great changes, for the vast majority of people life more or less went on much less the same.
Here are two blogs that aim to point out the historical reality of the 1920s:
https://enoughofthistomfoolery.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/what-downton-abbey-doesnt-tell-you-about-the-1920s/
https://enoughofthistomfoolery.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/what-downton-abbey-doesnt-tell-you-about-the-1920s-part-2/
However I do agree that the 1920s does sound much more fun and real than our present.
Indeed he does. As is the Bright Young People too.
True, one of my mates says that in london some places have opened up as a speakeasies. With blacked out windows. Want to get my spats and zoot suit on and go checkem out. Wonder if the have a password on the door? I hope this is true!
Great stuff. Back to the Roarin’ 20s and Prohibition!
Anytime sounds better compared with this hell hole.
When will arrests be made? how long can they get away with it?
Indefinitely if our numbers remain so low. At this point peerages and knighthoods are a more likely outcome for the perpetrators than the arrest, trial and lifetime custodial sentences they deserve.
“no Prime Minister wants to impose restrictions which cause such harm to society, the economy and people’s mental health” is at least a public admission from Johnson that he is indeed doing these things.
So don’t f’ing do it then
Sweden:
Why did the numbers fall so rapidly, despite the open restaurants and shops and the loose contact restrictions? The experts don’t quite know…. President of the Swiss Institute for Intensive Care added: “We can only speculate on what led to the turnaround in infection numbers.”
Is he having a laugh?
I predict a lot more of this sort of thing. Denial that the lockdown sceptics, Levitt, Gupta, Gomes etc. could possibly have known what was going to happen. Presumably the GB Declaration was simply a ‘right wing libertarian’ manifesto put together by well-known troublemakers and neo-fascists. The fact that it predicted the future was just coincidence; a lucky guess.
The classic “It would be wrong to pre judge the findings of the enquiry”
Enquiry is called and takes years. 2030 arrives, we find out it was all a scam but we can’t leave our homes because they’ve set out ID bracelets to lockdown.
They seem to be panicking now, shoving the vaccine along before the whole thing collapses, which is coming
Don’t believe the vaccine will be forthcoming.
Even water would do, if they convinced people THEY had saved the day
If they could just let all of us enlightened people that’s what they’re doing. The sheeple would be happy as they never have to confront their worst nightmare or admit they were wrong and everyone can get on.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Their worst nightmare is coming when they allow themselves to be injected with something that is going to irreparably damage their bodies. This only ends with many thousands of deaths and severe injuries from the vaccine.
They’re doing the ‘great’ reset, not trying to ‘save the day’.
Is it wrong to hope that the vaccine really does end up being dangerous, despite that meaning thousands of lives would be ruined? Particularly if the danger become clear within a couple of months rather than years, because then that really would bring this show to an end. They really really couldn’t spin that to their advantage.
A more humane wish might be that nearly everyone gets quite bad flu-like symptoms from it, ie worse than actually getting covid for 99% of people. But, the problem is, that wouldn’t be enough. Everyone is so convinced by the cult, that they would all go on BBC saying how glad they were not to die, just to feel wretched for a fortnight.
I think that’s a human reaction and one I have some sympathy with as long as all of the first people to take it are those who really want it and are not coerced as I fear some health and care workers may be.
On the other side of the coin is the fact that a lot of people desperate for the vaccine have just been frightened into thinking it’s the only way they can avoid this “lethal” disease and also, who ends up paying for their lifetime of care with devastating injuries whilst Pharma’s pockets are full?
Excellent on Policing etc
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/two-tier-policing-shows-the-rottenness-of-the-state/
My phone is blocking access to this web link. The connection was reset, please check your connection. Yeah, right
I think Johnson now threatening MPs from his own party shows that he’s losing the plot.
The rebel MPs need to hold their nerve and not be bought or fobbed off with crumbs.
And as for the general public they also need to carry out their own acts of resistance.
The lifting of lockdown should be an opportunity to undertake this act of civil disobedience. All shops, museums, pubs restaurants and venues should reopen with no restrictions, no masks, no sanitisers, no one way systems, no pre-booking and no test & trace.
Do like those gym owners and hairdressers in the north – fight back and demand that the authorities take you to court.
The police have shown us that they’re willing to fight dirty. Let’s turn the tables on them in a non-violent way.
I agree. Laws can only work at the barrel of a gun or by mass acceptance. Luckily we are not at the barrel of a gun stage yet in the UK and however bad things get are unlikely to ever be there, so it is mass acceptance through misinformation,
Indifference, resignation and fear. Dissent can only ever work in the same two ways. It a thousand people took off their masks, walked proudly into a family home, opened a pub, opened a business, there is nothing the authorities could do. If one man opens his gym, he has a visit from 30 police.
Without collective action of the “I’m Spartacus” variety, it is hopeless.
Exactly. I think the vast majority of people are afraid and are constantly going “this too shall pass.” However if we want that saying to be true, we need to take action.
And the collective “I am Spartacus” variety is the only way. As I’ve said before, if more than enough people and businesses did it, the authorities wouldn’t know where to start and the whole edifice will crumble.
Or some places open up, draw in a large police presence while other places also open up and there’s nothing to stop them.
And they don’t accept fines and we crowdfund their court costs
Anyone seen the labour party?
Haha. The Labour Party of the past was a thing of real integrity. I didn’t support most of their views but you knew they were sincerely held. It’s disappeared but then so has the Conservative party. Last seen in about 1992
I was a member of the labour party in the early 1980s. It had its faults but i do believe it genuinely wanted to improve the lot of working class people…even if some of their policies sadly had the opposite effect. Now though many of my academic colleagues are members. They are classic champagne socialists who try to avoid working class people if they possibly can. Some of them openly say the working class are no longer welcome in the party as ‘they do not share our values’. It is totally public sector dominated so its no surprise the lockdown has been so loved by labour. None of them lose anything from it.
Can’t find them. They seemed to have disappeared.
A little thing that I’ve been doing recently is deliberately getting closer and closer to other people when shopping, trying to break through this poisonous social distancing fuckwittery.
I also make sure I smile a lot when I shop, to let the muzzled see what it’s like to be an actual human being instead of a foot soldier following orders.
I’ve started doing that as well! Particularly when I’m with my 2-year old son, because I can use him as a good excuse to get to people because of course he just wanders wherever he likes and gets under people’s feet.
The one thing I will say – no-one I’ve yet met has been so far gone with covid cult that they’ve reacted badly to my son getting near them. They’ve all either not cared or found it adorable! Humanity isn’t quite broken…
I hope your son will start to see many more full faces soon. It must be quite a confusing world for him when about one third of his life so far has been lived like that.
Thankfully he has a sensible parent.
I’ve been doing that as well. I would always ask people to repeat what they’re saying to the point that they have to move closer and remove their muzzle.
Ditto with the smile – it does go a long way.
Agree
I love the idea that all business owners should ignore the tiers and just open fully anyway. The police would never be able to get to all of them in time to charge them.
Oh, and we have the names published of anyone who grasses on said businesses?
It’s always baffled me that businesses especially the major high street chains have been cowed so badly and in some cases are fully complicit. Whatever happened to the right to a livelihood?
How many businesses are there? Lots and there won’t be that many police to be able to go after all of them.
Anyone who grasses on said businesses should be reminded of what happened to their counteraparts in France after WW2 and Germany in the early 1990s.
If the testing stopped, would the ‘pandemic’ stop?
If lockdowns, face masks and restrictions were stopped and the media stopped spreading fear, would life return to normal, albeit with colds and flu as there always have been?
Would pharma and tech company shareholders be happy if things returned to normal?
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Answer to 1) Without a doubt.
2) I’d really hope so.
3) Not a chance, but they deserve some misery.
Just had a reply to the email I sent to my MP.
She claims that as of last night “all our local ITUs are full with COVID patients”.
Is there anywhere I can find out up to date figures?
They must be able to if they want to, my MP has said that the local hospitals are coping well and down on capacity.
Every year the NHS is on red alert in winter and ICU’s are full thanks to “winter pressures”. The press have never been interested and I don’t recall Politicians being bothered either, individual trusts get on with it and we’ve never needed to protect them.
She probably means that ITU beds allocated to Covid are full. It’s been done before elsewhere but is not technically a lie.
So about 5 beds
Case I was thinking about was around a month ago.
Sky News reported Blackpool Victoria Hospital ‘full of Covid victims’.
A whistleblower nurse reported that all covid allocated beds were indeed full.
8 out of a total 767.
Plus ICU is used after many planned operations. Which have now restarted unlike earlier in the year. There’s an obsession with having unused capacity as if that is automatically a good thing.
Really proves the old saying that there are lies, damned lies and statistics. Those from SAGE are a load of bullsxxxt
Maybe not, but, as with so many sets of data, they are not the truth either.
Tell her to get off her fat arse and go and look for herself.
My MP is Maria Caulfield, so she has been doing some work in the local hospitals as a nurse. That’s why I want to find the real numbers as opposed to the ones she is quoting me.
Ha, we have the same MP, AB. I only found out recently she’s an Assistant Whip.
With the best will in the world, anyone who thinks nursing is more important than being an MP in such times is a stooge and/or very dim.
Noted, has anybody done an FOI, how many beds are for covid patients/total ICU beds. Hold on a minute, we have the nightingale hospitals………… don’t we…….
Adapnation.io have a hospital dashboard which is interactive
Thanks
I don’t believe that for a minute. I ICU’s are used for many conditions I. E strokes car accident victims cardiac arrest etc. They’ll say anything just to keep the narrative going. Prior to Covid were the ICU’s then empty most of the time.
I know, that’s why I was a bit gobsmacked by her assertion.
People who make such generalised, non-contextual statements as your MP need to have the matter turned around on them and be told that their statement is meaningless as it stands.
She needs to be asked how many IC beds there are in total (and occupied)? How many of those are designated as for Covid19 positive patients (and are occupied)? How many total IC beds there were at the same time last year and what percentage were occupied this time last year? How many of the current Covid19 positive IC cases were admitted for non-Covid related ailments? How many are asymptomatic for Covid19? How many tested positive after they were admitted to hospital? How many of the positive IC cases were admitted because they had Covid19 symptoms alone?
She probably also needs to be reminded that at this time of year it is normal for IC Units to operate at 95% capacity – they are considered to be poorly managed if the costly beds and staff are not used to near capacity. She might also be reminded that available IC beds per 100,000 population in the UK are about a quarter the number in Germany, a third of those in the US and half of those in France and much of Eastern Europe.
It is also standard practice for hospitals in Health Trust areas to work ‘as one’. So if one hospital is under pressure there are standard arrangements for transferring patients from one hospital to another. This is second nature to them.
Even if true, so what? We cannot decimate the economy and lock healthy people us because this useless Government could not fix the NHS in 252 days
Hear, hear!!!
I happened across this website – looks like they’re recruiting. Not bad pay either. Though I can’t really imagine that there are many events that need security right now?
https://interforce.org.uk/recruitment/
Interestingly, that website came up on a search for “TSG policing”. The whole website warrants a browse.
It couldn’t be, could it? Is my scepticism and cynisism getting the better of me?
Good find. This needs addressing…
Briefly, as an Interforce officer you will be responsible for carrying out a number of functions traditionally the reserve for Police, such as addressing incidents of crime, anti-social behaviour, and disorder.
Quite. I don’t think I’m reading too much between the lines. We have all read much on here about the behaviour of the TSG over recent months. What would it mean if we effectively had private police on our streets assaulting people?
If only Roger Cook was still about, it’s the sort of thing he’d get his teeth stuck into. Do we have investigative journalists that could tackle this? Anna B perhaps?
Maybe worth submitting this for the updates?
Nice work for unemployed nightclub bouncers.
I don’t think we should assume they’ll be British.
I heard early on that one security firm in London village was booming guarding empty offices etc.
Oh how lovely..A job site for Brown shirts of the future. They are clearly trolling us now .
Just in from Simon Dolan:
“CASE UPDATE
Judgement in our Court of Appeal case will be given tomorrow at 2pm
https://justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-appeal-civil”
Will it be good news? Interesting coming on the day MPs vote on the new tier system.!!
Finally. The date is too much of a coincidence. Is it so as not to influence the vote?
Bit suspicious isn’t it – any idea what time the vote is?
Do you think they’d go as far as to have two judgements prepared and use the one which corresponded to the parliamentary decision?
It’s becoming increasing difficult to rule such suggestions out isn’t it.
There are no conspiracies but there are also no coincidences …
may God go with you
I have wondered if the judges have been more worried about how they’ll be perceived than with the actual facts (I can’t see why they’d take so long to reach a decision otherwise). If the mood music is turning against lockdown then they’d look like heroes if they found for Dolan now, whereas if it still felt like the country was pro-lockdown and the Dolan case collapsed it they’d be seen as complicit in any deaths chalked up to Covid over the winter.
Touch wood they’ll either stick to following the facts or think the mood music is going our way.
I expect the judges are delaying because they don’t want to find ‘against the will of parliament’ in a judgment that may ‘kill 500,000 people’ etc
I expect when the mood turns against lockdown or we are out of it they will find for Dolan
They did not worry about the will of the people when they passed all those anti brexit judgements. If they just look at the facts there can only be one outcome.
whatever happens Simon Dolan is a man of integrity and a hero, unlike the majority of our parliament
Agree. He is the only one that challenged the Government. Others followed but only much later
Good article about the mooted vaccines:
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/
Some useful comments, too.
Great article
May I draw some conclusions from Scotland – specifically Moray? We are in Level 1 (I think) which is not haveing much of an effect on anything. And yet we show the same falling ‘cases’ profile seen in areas which have either had lockdown or higher tier/level restrictions. What is driving the fall in cases here? Certainly it can’t be lockdown because we haven’t had one.
Nobody is getting tested??!!
masks and 6 feet of course
You “followed the rules” and “took it seriously”?
There is a good chance that the sheeple most likely to get tested have already been tested. The dry wood so to speak. Those of a more sceptical or even cautious later are probably less bothered. Hence the tailing off. Interesting though that the majority of positive cases (if there is such a thing) are coming from the types of people who are following the rules, either by choice or mandate.
How many of the people being tested (care home staff, for example) have already had the virus and the test is showing positive for that reason? What is the point of testing people who are already immune? How many immune people are, like Boris Johnson, being required to quarantine? How many of them are NHS staff, thereby perpetuating staff shortages and arguments for ‘lockdowns’.
There is a belief that immune people can still spread the disease. How can this be? I became immune to measles 55 years ago after having it weeks after starting school, as many did. I’m not giving it to people now – and, no, my generation hasn’t been vaccinated. If I was in the company of someone with measles, I could perhaps spread it from my hair and clothes until they were changed and washed, which is why anyone who has been in a hospital now should change and shower before mixing in public, but would I be a spreader? I don’t see how.
Excellent point Mike, I would have to be marched at gunpoint into a testing centre myself, and I never obey the rules, not only that but I am in the higher risk group by virtue of age etc. so I think I would know if I have got it and I am fairly sure I haven’t.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could prove that the people that got the disease most were the ones that obeyed the most rules and vice versa!
We can only live in hope.
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could prove that the people that got the disease most were the ones that obeyed the most rules and vice versa!
Could be done with a survey if people were honest. Would be very interesting. Must be some academics prepared to do that and get a bit of funding?
Further confirmation that lockdown makes no difference.
We had 3 months lockdown, 3 months lockdown lite, a while in tier 1, a month of pretend lockdown 2.
Not much of a first wave and nothing unusual in second piddle.
The Findhorn Foundation?
Yep, it’s on the Moray Firth. Or used to be …
I had a couple of friends up a few weekends back, filthy Southern Tier 3 disease mongers to a man. After they finished oohing and aaahing at all the bright lights of open bars and shops and touching everything, the law of ‘the science’ would certainly suggest that there be a huge spike in Moray and that as they stayed in my house, I should be dead already. But, here we are…
I read recently, that our own politicians were planning the propaganda campaign in January therefore, it seems to be nothing to do with a virus and still thinking its about a virus is muddying the waters of the real reason.
It’s an interesting point. Any large organisation (or Govt) should be constantly looking ahead to potential threats and opportunities and mapping out possible responses and laying the groundwork long before the proverbial hits the fan. I actually wouldn’t find this suspicious if I thought our Government were highly competent, experienced and far-sighted- ready for anything etc. I don’t think that, so I agree that this whiffs a bit.
BREAKING NEWS: Vorsprung durch Technik’ PCR test protocol from Prof. Christian Drosten cannot detect SARS-CoV-2 and is fatally flawed: Team of 20 international scientists incl. M.Yeadon have submitted a peer review requesting retraction of this protocol promoted by the WHO. Read full report here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/
Will Pharma, Gates, the WEF and tech companies retreat or will it flip into fascism?
Any idea how long it takes for such analysis to be considered and a decision reached?
Based on Drosten’s paper, should only take a day or 2…
Well, Eurosurveillance reached a decision to publish the original report in 24 hours so I think the same timing for a retraction should be possible, don’t you?
Howard,hope you don’t mind publishing a copy of your tweet and Kevin McKernan’s and a the slide
https://twitter.com/HowardSteen4/status/1333288362988478465
“BREAKING NEWS: ‘Made in Germany’ PCR test from Prof. C. Drosten is found to contain 10 major flaws rendering the test useless! Scandal exposed in peer review from a group of international scientists”
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1333314114932920320 “It can detect the virus but isn’t C19 specific. The exact FP and FN rates are an unknown and the protocol is a ‘choose your own adventure novel’ as opposed to an SOP. Questionable peer review and the given COIs requires a bit more sunshine.”
This is in development and can’t judge the intricacies. But according to attached slide this is the part of virus not detected by Drosten’s PCR test.Kevin McKernan’s judgement above seems a heavy weight opinion from a world expert in PCR. Interesting to see what happens.
Thank you.
Thanks very much. I first replied to you on my wife’s computer so not sure if you received that message!
Another interesting parts in the report
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1333252638113193984
“The sequences on which their PCR method is based are in silico (theoretical) sequences, supplied by a laboratory in China”
https://twitter.com/stacey_rudin/status/1333183007243558912
“SARS-CoV-2 is based on in silico (theoretical) sequences, supplied by a lab in China, because at the time neither control material of infectious (“live”) or inactivated SARS-CoV-2 nor isolated genomic RNA of the virus was available to the authors.”
It is difficult to imagine now the haste the Drosten paper went through. Submitted 21st Jan and approved a few days later and unclear if it was a peer review by Eurosurveillance. see below Description of timeline and then current knowledge of spread.
Well done, kh.
Hope you have a good day, whichever side out you may be at the moment!
Let’s hope all kids retain their innocence and keep bringing us their laughter.
Goodness knows we need their perspective as an antidote to our own worries.
I think of my toddler grandchildren and hope they will grow up innocent and free too. That’s been a motivator for me.
My mother in law is really angry with me because my daughter told her on the Zoom call that Corona is not really dangerous to most people and that people who wear mask outside look silly ( I do not know where she got that from….muahahahahaha) She said to my wife that I’m being irresponsible. My answer is that will all respect to tell her mum to wind her neck in or fuck off. I will tell my own child the truth and will not roll over when they try to brainwash them at school. That went down well as you cn imagine. I’m now at the point where I do not give shit anymore, I will speak my mind no matter the cost.
There’s many a bad mother-in-law has prevented a good mrriage.
I used to get irritated by kids arsing around (I’m a pit of a grumpy old cow), but these days I love to see it. It’s an echo of a bygone era where people actually lived instead of just existing.
So true, when the original first lockdown was on a group of about 12 young girls and boys were sitting over the park in a circle having a beer. As I walked by with my dog they looked at me I suppose because I am old expecting me to tell them off for not social distancing or following the stay at home bullshit. I just smiled congratulated them on their bravery and told them to ignore all the stupid old people’s comments and to live their live.
Firstly, whoever this is, thank you and well done:
My part of the Civil Service all received a £100 bonus for adjusting well to working from home. This is possibly one of the most tone-deaf actions I have ever seen, given the state of the nation’s finances and the prospects of those working in the private sector – not to mention a complete waste of taxpayers’ money as there was not a single group of people who had easier during the lockdown. I donate it to a worthier cause.
Can anyone supply any information about this bonus and if other public officials have received taxpayer money for the same / similar reasons…? If the government is taking taxpayer money and giving it to public sector workers in this fashion, it should be made public knowledge.
Not something I’ve heard of. Sounds like a rather foolish local decision. These things are delegated to a relatively low level.
Bribe pure and simple, they need their people to stay happy with lockdown.
Congratulations to Toby’s whistleblower.
Well as a civil servant and if this is true I will be refusing mine or donating it to Ivor Cummins
I heard something to the effect that MPs (in additional to regular expenses) got a whopping bonus of several £k in March-April to “facilitate” remote working. Whether this is true, and how this is different from their previous regular way of remote working, no idea.
They were able to spend up to a certain amount on facilities for their office staff. The amount was a cap. All expenditure had to be evidenced by receipts. They were not just given a sum of money. Government finance at a micro level doesn’t work like that.
Wrote to my MP again prompted by Peter Hitchens.
I have written to you before expressing my disgust at you and the conservative government turning the UK into a totalitarian state.
There are too many examples to list here. A few days ago an elderly lady peacefully protesting was spread eagled by the police a few days ago using your legislation.
I cannot believe that you continue to vote for such outrageous practices and restrictions because of a virus that has more than a 99.9% survival rate.
I could have some symphathy if it was an Ebola epidemic.
Excess deaths appear to be no more than an average year. PCR positive tests without symptoms are mostly false and hospitals are no busier than a typical winter with bad flu season. We have had many in my lifetime.
Lock-downs will prove in the future to have been futile.
Why are you intent on ruining our economy and causing many more long term deaths this time around. You have had plenty of time to fortify the NHS if that’s what you were concerned about.
You are scared stiff of so called Covid deaths. Perhaps its because these deaths are announced with great fanfare to the public every week. The many more deaths that will happen in the long term will happen much more quietly. You seem less bothered by these. You will also carry on getting paid out of the public purse whist thousands and thousands are losing their jobs.
You are ruining the economy, damaging education, demolishing personal liberty and the right to protest, ruining young peoples prospects and saddling the young with a lifetime of debt. The list goes on and on.
I do not want a reply. It was a laughable reply from you last time. I will never vote for you again. I know many people I know feel the same.
Fortunately there are now quite a few very respected MP’s that have the bottle, courage and foresight to see what is actually happening and are voting against this media and public health driven hysteria. I have a great deal of respect for them and they would be my choice in a real crisis.
It is a shame you are not one of them.
Nicely done.
Oooh can I knick this?
Wonderful letter. Wrote to my MP, useless twat, and got a mouthful of useless statistics. I live in one of the lowest areas in the UK, and have gone from mere house arrest to normal prison (tier 1 to 2). Only 16 deaths in all, infection rate as low as Cornwall. He seemed to think he’d done well to argue for that and we were lucky not to be in Tier 3. No point in quoting figures, examples, etc.
Sturgeon car crash interview with Marr. A joy to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIRwxp2s2Pw
She seems to be growing a moustache.
She also seems to be freezing her already cold tits off.
On Talk Radio it was stated that the reason there are fewer “cases” in Norway is that anybody who gets tested has a verification test to confirm whether the result is correct or not.
Which should be the situation everywhere if governments and their corrupt scientists were honest.
And this is the key point, nobody should be classed as a case until a 2nd confirmatory test or an actual clinical evaluation.
And no-one should be tested unless it’s part of a medical diagnosis or clinical evaluation.
I believe they are trying to do this in the US, certainly in some parts. AFAIK this is what they did in the NBA basketball so they could finish the season, albeit in ‘group bubbles’ form; any +ve test required confirmation. No problems reported at all.
In Australia they don’t test asymptomatics. China either. Finland have a similar approach.
The problem lays with the control freak Kleptocracy and the Emergency powers/Coronnavirus Act they have bestowed upon themselves, where they can make regulations without an act of Parliarment (deliberate spelling). Basically take actions that they would not normally be able to take. Introducing measures that affect fundamental rights and liberties. In short they can do what they want.
Good girl! Sound on for this one, don’t know if she’s one of ours or not, but good stuff. #MondayMorningLaugh
https://twitter.com/DentyAndShaz/status/1332764400432930817
Fat fucking goons can’t even run, must be the masks and lack of oxygen.
Maybe that is the answer, a jogging protest.
Bloody brilliant
You can’t catch me I’m the gingerbread man…
You wrote it on a blackboard? A photo would be great
This mask study from CDC is almost laughable.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
They compared mask mandated counties in Kansas with non-mask mandated counties during June1- Aug 23.
https://twitter.com/covid_clarity/status/1332873480946257921
6/ Then I did a clean comparison: June vs Aug, new cases/capita just like the study… What did I find? No significant difference between the mask counties & the no mask counties. Mask mandate counties +210% Non mask mandate counties +195% See below
7/ It doesn’t end there. The study focused on rates of change, not absolute cases. Actual daily cases per capita in the mask counties were consistently higher during this period. Thus, total cases per capita in the mask mandate counties actually grew faster.
CDC worldfamous has lost the plot about masks.Now it is religion/politics and not science
This needs to be on tomorrow’s update as it will be thrown at us
Am I understanding that graph correctly? That where masks were not mandatory in Kansas the virus was less contagious?
But if I were an advocate of mask wearing, which I’m not, I’d say there were other factors that were responsible for the difference. Such as density of population.
Update from Simon Dolan:
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1333331752866222086
At last
It was said on Radio 4 this morning that it wasn’t known to begin with that asymptomatic people could spread the virus.
How was this discovered? Has research been done on this? Controlled experiments etc.?
Or is it based on a few case histories which have led people to believe a patient could only have acquired the virus by being in contact with someone who was asymptomatic?
CCP said so.
Who or what is CCP? (With another ‘C’ I’d recognise it as being the Soviet Union – but that’s gone anyway.)
Chinese Communist Party. Although the latest paper released from China says no asymptomatic spread. Do we believe anything they tell us?
Thank you – so I was sort of in the right area.
WRONG!!!
~ Dr Michael Yeadon; former Vice President Pfizer ~
The authorities use this so-called asymptomatic transfer of infection to scare people and make them wear masks. Obviously our lovely radio stations and other media love to continue pushing this lie
I’m not on Twitter so I can’t fully see what Dr. Yeadon has said on that service beyond:-
“21 Nov 2020 — This is great. The first time the notion of “asymptomatic transmission” was mentioned, I smelled a rat. It’s biologically implausible. Not saying it’s …”
I would appreciate it if someone could complete the statement.
“…never happened once, but as an important contribution to transmission? No. To be a source, you need lots of virus in your airway. But once that happens you will be symptomatic, either because the virus is injuring your lung lining (epithelium) or because you’re fighting it off (or both). You can’t be both a virulent source AND not have symptoms. ”
[Mike Yeadon]
Forever, it’s been “coughs and sneezes spread diseases”. So much of history is being rewritten this year.
The narrative shifted at some point to pre-symptomatic. So they wanted you to isolate given the fact symptoms didn’t typically appear for a few days.
It’s all, at best, an err on the side of caution, precautionary principle, fetish
Fauci and the WHO are both on record as saying asymptomatic transmission is very rare and not a main driver of the ‘pandemic’.Although they have both recanted
Just watched the Ivor Cummins & Dr Kendrick discussion.
Nothing we don’t already know but if anybody with an ounce of sense watches this and cannot see what a complete scam it is and then still believe the narrative is beyond me there is no hope.
When this shit show is over and the world reacts by turning sharply away from the politics that created it, we need a Great Reset of our own.
And that means purging institutions like academia, the police and the civil service of the cancel culture left-wing fascism that enabled this. It means restraining the power of social media platforms by forcing the break up of the larger ones and enforcing laws around freedom of speech.
This is a battle between freedom and tyranny- pure and simple. And when we win, we need to crush the tyrants and flush them out of the system once and for all – and enact laws that disallow this crap to happened again. This should be the beginning of the end for the social forces that created this.
Great post.
Start by standing in local elections in May 2021 either as an independent or for one of the new political parties (I am considering The Reclaim party that focus on freedom of speech – that is a very good building block). Target all the seats currently filled by conservatives and labour (by failing to oppose this Government they collaborated).
Note: The conservatives have already advertised for candidates to stand in the local elections next year.
Also join local parish councils etc
You generally have to be elected to parish councils.
so get elected
Indeed. I’d advocate standing ostensibly left wing independents in Labour seats and ostensibly right in Tory. I even think there’s scope for creating a movement of independents, across a broad political spectrum, who come together as a group – for media, fundraising, PR, purposes – but represent not a political doctrine but simply a universal aim to replace the Party system of government with genuine choice at a representative level.
If you could get even 50 independent MPs working together on political reform it could be done. The left independents and right independents would oppose each other on many issues; but the overall aim of the movement would be to destroy first past the post party system and they would come together on this.
A genuine, a-political, tolerant and collaborative movement to overturn the system that allowed the destruction of our civil liberties. That is something I could get behind.
If I had my way, the national government would be disbanded and replaced with small regional governments, à la Switzerland.
I would also make voting mandatory for both citizens and political representatives: no more opting out of the political system or hiding behind abstentions.
Meh I dunno about making voting mandatory i’d rather attach an IQ test to voting.
Not sure about mandatory voting. I think refusal to vote is an important option to have. Disengagement from politics is a good measure of the failure of a system. Plus, I’m not a fan of mandatory anything!
I’m happy for voting not be mandatory, provided that politicians don’t have control over anything that matters. But as soon as we hand them the keys to our lives, it seems rather silly to let the general public shrug and not bother voting.
As for the point about failure to vote being a indication of the failure of the system, what good does that do? It’s hard to claim that you are disengaged when the government ruins the economy you live in and prevents you from hugging your friends. It would be much better to have an explicit option on every ballot paper that says “I reject this system”. That way, people can indicate their displeasure in a documented way, and that displeasure could then officially trigger a review of the system.
That said, the voting issue is something of a side issue to me. I’m a minarchist and would prefer to see government reduced to the absolute bare minimum. In that situation, voting is just about deciding which minor functionaries you want in your local area, not which ideology the entire country should subscribe to. By reducing the scope of government to essentially collecting the rubbish and running the courts, the damage they can do it somewhat curtailed.
In Belgium we have mandatory voting, and it is an absolute cr*p system. True, that is mainly because any invalid votes (eg voting for two different parties, or otherwise invalidating your ballot by drawing a pair of tits on it or the like) automatically go to the majority . Idem for people who fail to show up: it’s technically illegal (though prosecution/fines have been extremely rare in the last decades), but your vote still goes to the majority. The main result in all the past elections has been big wins for the extremist/right wing separatists (the real ones, not the populists or non-PC candidates who pass for ‘right-wing extremists’ these days), as people grow increasingly disgusted with politics, get annoyed at having to vote in the absence of any decent alternative, and then just express their discontent by invalidating the ballot or by voting for the parties most demonized by the traditional parties (who are barred from power anyway, regardless of the result). It’s extremely frustrating, as the only viable option you have if you want to lodge a protest vote is to vote for one of the minor and irrelevant single-issue parties, as that is the only way to avoid supporting the ruling political system. The main result here has always been a huge extra boost for the majority parties. If you could vote AGAINST someone or a party I might be in favour, but mandatory voting as we have it now is just an insidious scam. And why on Earth should people who don’t give a hoot and know jack all about politics have to go and vote, anyway?
Thank you for articulating this thought. I entirely agree with you. It has occurred to me that democracy as we understand it is no longer fit for purpose. The vast and rapid information flows that we are having to cope with are rendering our traditional parliamentary democracies obsolete. We need new models of social organisation that are and are seen to be truly democratic. The current crisis is exposing levels of corruption and incompetence that have been obscured for decades.
Great article by Mike Yeadon. However, how does he explain falling case numbers despite stable testing levels?
I’m assuming because the total of false positives will be affected by the number of actual positives. Both from cross contamination and just from actual positives being added to the number.
Therefore, as actual positives fall due to her immunity, the total number of actual and false positives should fall.
That’s my uneducated guess anyway!
Yep that seems logical, thanks.
I thought his name was Wilfred?
I thought it was Boris
Vive la Belle France
https://twitter.com/Thomond_McMahon/status/1333132231024513024
That was a Gilet Jaune protest last year
Just watching TalkRadio with Mike. The guy for independent businesses in Kent is on. he’s saying some good stuff yet he talks about how even if people at risk shield, the way forward is to wear masks and distance to “get the economy moving”.
Maskism is the new PC. The economy did not recover as it should in summer precisely because of stupid mask policies and track and trace.
When will the penny drop that the way you get back to the previous economic levels is to do what you did previously.
The economy isn’t meant to recover.
A List Of FBEL’s Covid-19 Articles – And Brief Comments Regarding Continuation Of Coronahoax
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/
Virus-vectored and genetically engineered vaccines could undergo recombination or hybridisation with unpredictable outcomes….Previous attempts to develop coronavirus and other vaccines e.g., RSV and dengue, have been hampered by the problem of ‘antibody dependent enhanced immunity’(ADEI), which has led to severe illness and deaths in the animals and human subjects involved in the trials. This phenomenon only becomes apparent after vaccination, when the subject is exposed to wild virus at some point in the future. Worryingly, the Covid Vaccine trials have not been conducted in a way to exclude the possibility of this serious sequalae occurring months or years after vaccination.” (“Open Letter From: UK Medical Freedom Alliance To: The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization… for COVID-19 in the UK.”)
Fascination article on vaccines. The end of this paragraph suggests that the vaccine could weaken your immune system to viruses at a later date. That wasn’t even on my radar of risks.
The nightmare scenario is vaccine injuries like this are spun as Covid-21, and the whole cycle starts again. Not at all beyond the realm of possibilities.
Starmer does not have allegiance to democracy. He belongs to the Trilateral Commission.
Trilateral Commission (Louize Small, The Light)
‘The Crisis of Democracy’ states the need to ‘turn people back to passivity and obedience so they don’t put too many constraints on State Power’.
Dr Yeadon writes
This is not correct. If he is referring to the well-known “Report 9” then the names of the authors were clearly given and, as authors of an academic preprint, are accountable to their peers in the usual way. If he is referring to the fact that this figure had been adopted by SAGE at its 11th meeting on 27 February as a Reasonable Worst Case which is explicitly not a prediction, then accountability lies with SAGE which adopted it as a collective decision. If the country was told to prepare for it as a prediction, then the fault lies with the people who misunderstood the nature of a RWC, not with those who provided it.
However, the important point is that the estimate, as an RWC, was neither dependent on the modelling of the group at Imperial College, whether or not that modelling contained “extraordinary errors”, nor was it incorrect. The figure of half a million deaths in the “do-nothing” scenario was indeed the best estimate based on the data available at the time, and does not rely on the Imperial group’s model: indeed, a very much simpler model which I wrote for myself in a couple of hours produces a similar result. The result was the correct result from the data as assessed at that time.
As it happens, of course, the “do-nothing” scenario was very far from the strategy adopted, and the number of deaths which occurred was very much less. Which is, in itself, a Good Thing, and says nothing about the correctness of the estimate for a very different situation.
Dr Yeadon disagrees with one of the key parameters that went into that estimate, namely the level of pre-existing immunity. In my view, the conservative estimate of little-to-no pre-existing immunity was the correct assumption to make at the time, based on very limited knowledge about the virus at that stage. He makes two assertions: (1) that the level of pre-existing immunity is high, perhaps 50% and (2) that this, rather than its opposite, should have been the assumption made in the RWC estimate. Assertion (1) is a scientific question, capable of being determined by observation and experiment — something which was not available in early February. Assertion (2) is hard to sustain: at the very best, it is Dr Yeadon setting his opinion against those of others who disagreed with him, of whom I am one.
Do they risk firing or even jailing if they say their projections apply to real world policy? Because that’s what happens to engineering fields if you don’t validate and verify what you say? Luckily there are lots of procedures and checks and balances to minimise this, as no system is ever going to catch everything.
I believe that’s what he means by being accountable.
Advisers and engineers are not in the same situation. An engineer in charge of a project is explicitly claiming to have the expertise to design and build something, adequate to take responsibility, and is taking the responsibility for doing so. An academic modelling something is making a statement, which we may hope is informed, expert and even correct, about the policy in a real-world situation. They are not determining that policy.
He has a duty to clearly label his scenarion properly. There was nothing ‘reasonable’ about it.
The phrase “Reasonable Worst Case” was used by SAGE 11 in the minutes I linked to earlier. It is a recognised term in government planning with a clear and useful meaning.
The phrase was missused. There was nothing remotely ‘reasonable’ about it. And knowing exactly how a scenario labelled like that will be used in the dogmatic way that is the precautionary principle, it was criminal. SAGE is responsible for thousands of deaths and miliions of lives ruined by the economic consequences of that mislabelling.
You should be ashamed of yourself having the nerve to come on here or anywhere else trying to support that decision.
Well, that’s your opinion. I disagree. So where does that leave us? I make no apology for stating what I believe to be true and relevant, and I presume you would say the same.
As to whether SAGE is “responsible for thousands of deaths and miliions of lives ruined”: advisers advise, ministers decide.
all i can say is that it is a pity such discussions are not taking place within and between SAGE, Government and other health specialists.
this is the problem . any divergence from the accepted narrative is censored which means it is not being questioned or discussed
If they want to escape the blame they should stick to advising, and cut out the TV personality bit. But they are drunk on their own importance, their day in the sun.
Given Ferguson’s appalling record he should have been laughed out of the room, not listened to at such length that he managed to infect everyone present with the virus.
At the risk of tiring my more attentive readers, let me re-iterate two points. The RWC did not depend on Ferguson’s model; and Ferguson’s track record has been systematically misrepresented.
no, apparently even worse it depended on someone’s fag packet, or perhaps postage stamp would be more accurate. And yes I for one am tired of you!
“fag packet”: I doubt it. I showed how a “back of an envelope” calculation could be used to give a similar figure. If you are tired of reading what is written by myself, or any other contributor for that matter, there’s a simple procedure — the name or pseudonym of the contributor is given in bold green print at the top of each comment: you may find it helpful in avoiding comments by people you do not wish to read.
Are you Ferguson’s latest polyamorous lover?
I have never met Prof. Ferguson, and have no particular connexion with him or his research group.
… and if the exercise is as relevant to the real world as the modeler just sitting in a hermetically sealed room playing with him/herself – i.e it’s no more than a form of computer gaming???
True of course. But there’s a range between having no connexion with reality, and taking responsibility for controlling it.
If the advice is used for real world policy then it is subject to the same safety considerations for other fields including food and water safety. There’s no two tier system when it comes to people’s lives.
The issue it seems is “Do the modellers know this? Have they been appraised of it?”
A lot of them from ICL seem to like going on TV and pontificating what people should do which sounds a lot like trying to directly influence real world policy.
Saying that they are not determining policy implies that there is a stage where the academic modelling is independently scrutinised to see if it is fit for use in the real world. That is meets the same safety standards as in other fields.
Do you know if this stage is being done? Is there a Validation and Verification part to SAGE?
I don’t see it. It looks very much like from the Mouth of God To Thy Lips. So I think that’s why Mike Yeadon is concerned. If you don’t have that stage, the onus is then on those who provide the information to do it.
That’s a good question, and I think does point up a weakness in our policy-making. There should be a challenge coming back from policy makers and decision makers, but this isn’t prioritised by our political system. As to scientific challenge: this is supposed to be internalised in SAGE and its working groups such as SPI-M: I’m not in a position to say whether that works well or not. Having a “Red Team” would be an interesting half-way, and I’d like to see that tried. I’m not sure that external initiatives such as SET-C and RAMP saw that as their remit.
You can’t put more weight on advice, whether it be based on modelling or any other mode, than it can bear. But I think you’re conflating two sorts of safety: one in the giving of advice, and the other in the advice itself. If you’re saying to the advisor, do nothing unless you’re sure it’s not harmful, then no advice will ever be given (or if it is, it will be given precisely by those people who are more sure than they ought to be!). Indeed, in real-world situations, advice is usually about finding the least harmful of options all of which involve some harm, or risk of harm, to somebody. If you’re saying that advice should always include the assessment of the do-nothing option, well, that’s a standard operating principle, and this whole discussion is about how the advice for the do-nothing option was formulated, used and publicised.
That would all be easier to believe were it not for the fact that those behind the failed model were also behind a number of similar models for bird flu, CJD etc – which were, if anything, even more of a failure with more data available.
So we can believe that they did the best they could with the data available, or we can see a recurring pattern of remarkably consistent failure in modelling from the same people.
I’m not an epidemiologist, not even close. But I do have a background in research and an interest in this topic from my time as a journalist. I looked at the data coming out of China early in the outbreak and drew my own conclusions on how the outbreak would impact mortality: it is extremely concerning to me that a rank amateur like me was much closer to what happened than the government’s modelling. It was clear from the start that the illness only really affected people who were old and sick. The earliest data showed the vast majority of deaths occurred in people who two or more major co-morbidities.
There is no way to dress up Imperial’s modelling and advice as anything other than an abject, possibly criminal, failure that is consistent with their track record of appalling failure in public health modelling.
I don’t think you quite appreciated the point that the estimate in question is not dependent on any model, or indeed really any model at all. The question that the RWC is designed to address in planning is, “Can you cope with the consequences of this scenario”, and the answer, in the unmitigated scenario, is a clear “No”. The precise numbers, be they 400,000 or 510,000 or 600,000 are not really the point. The point is the single word “No”.
Here’s a back of an envelope calculation that gives a similar answer: R about 3 means herd immunity threshold about 66%. Zero pre-existing immunity means all 66% come from infections, so about 50 million cases (disease doesn’t stop dead at the epidemic threshold). IFR about 1% means 500,000 deaths. The three key parameters are underlined. Those are what the best available data gave in early February, and more importantly shows that small variations in the parameters lead to similar answers.
In passing, the trope that the model was used, and was a failure in all the cases you mention is not correct, although it is assiduously promoted here and elsewhere. The F&M modelling fed into disastrous decisions, I’m prepared to say. The vCJD model produced answers that are entirely consistent with what happened, if you read the paper rather than the exaggerated media presentation. The avian flu figure was an off-the-cuff response to a journalist’s question about a purely hypothetical scenario. And so on.
Rather like the modelling itself, I think you are spinning a tale based on technicalities. I don’t doubt what you are saying, but it is clear that the government themselves believed that 500,000 people would – not might, not could, would – die without lockdown.
Now who made them believe that and why, I think needs to be uncovered. But whether through poor/dishonest modelling, poor/dishonest communication or straight up corruption – there was a systemic and absolute failure from Imperial that has had appalling consequences for all of us.
I’m discussing the technicalities, of course, which seems reasonable as they were part of Dr Yeadon’s presentation. “Spinning a tale” sounds like an imputation of intellectual dishonesty, which I reject.
You continue to, using your words, exhibit intellectual dishonesty. your whole theses is dependent on two assertions;
Firstly that the information that Yeadon quotes was not available to SAGE.
Secondly that the scenario by Imperial was ‘reasonable’.
I dismiss the second assertion as its clearly nonsense, however you try hard to dress it up.
The first assumption might have some truth if the people constituting SAGE did not have the experience or knowledge that many epidimiologists and virologists have. I think SAGE were completely top heavy in mathematicians and modellers and did not have the depth or spread of knowledge. Whitty and Vallance seem most to blame for this as they seem to be recruiters.
However it exhibits considerable intellectual arrogance, shared by yourself it seems, not to realise this, and to ask for extra input when faced by decisions of such importance. The same accusation can be levelled at the politicians.
And blanketing all of this is the over-reaching precautionary principle which seems to stop people thinking rationally.
I’m not sure how much dishonesty was involved. Some I suspect – and also that the victims of that dishonesty include the modellers themselves. I think they spent so much of their own self-capital on the model being right that their egos could not countenance it being wrong.
So even though any reasonable person, looking at the data on deaths coming from China, would immediately see a projected 500,000 deaths as a ridiculous figure and therefore try to re-evaluate why the model was coming up with such an anomaly, the scientists at Imperial had invested so much of their reputation and self-worth in being right that they found it easier to see the real world as the error and the model as the truth.
Dishonest or ego – there is no way to dress this that doesn’t make them an embarrassing and dangerous failure, or excuse them from what should – and hopefully will happen: the evisceration of their professional reputations and the end of their careers.
As I’ve pointed out, the model has little to do with the precise numerical figure of 510,000 which can be replicated using just three things. The value of that calculation in that it shows you what are the things you need to know — and indeed, that’s an important outcome of the modelling process, before you even get to running the model.
Anyone can invent numbers similar to your back of an envelope numbers. The data from South Korea in January did not support your ‘worse case’ numbers or anything like it.
In any case it was very well known that cross immunity can and does happen, ie the original SARS infection. And it was always well known that the 4 coronoavirus helping to make up the common cold would very likely provide the same sort of cross immunity.
In essence your argument that yoiur numbers constitute ‘reasonable’ is totally incorrect. Its fine as a ‘worse case’ in a range of scenarios but should be labelled as such in arange of say 5/6 scenarios.
I am not surprised you and others support these WCs as a basis for planning policy, its exactly the same as society faces with ‘climate change’ scenarios and people continually using the +4C by the end of the century, the one that includes an estimate of coal use as 10 times current use. GIGO.
I do not think that is what SAGE did. As I understand it, they were faced with limited and inconsistent data, and made a decision based on what was in front of them. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means present it.
Nothing to do with this discussion.
Computer modelling.crap in crap out.Fergusons model was based on a flawed IFR which was based on 6 flights out of China.He assumed no pre immunity and it was based on a 13 year old model that was developed for a flu outbreak.
Up to a point. A useful model allows to to determine the extent to which the outputs depend on the exactness of the inputs, and, in some but not all cases, give an estimated range for the outputs corresponding to the uncertainties in the inputs.
While I haven’t studied Ferguson’s model in detail, the point about epidemic modelling is that it models, well, epidemics. Covid and flu are not so different that different principles apply to their models. The devil is in the detail. One criticism of Ferguson’s model might be that it is too detailed …
The significance of the modelling imo, politically, was the undue credence it provided for the worst case hypotheticals you describe.
The issue with “reasonable worst case” here is first, whether it is really meaningfully “reasonable”, given it requires multiple rather unlikely assumptions to come true – that the ifr would not decline significantly from early estimates, that the disease was unlike other coronaviruses in circulation, that voluntary and spontaneous changes in behaviour would not kick in to mitigate any real problem.
Second, the problem is that even that [un]reasonable worst case scenario was not some kind of end of civilisation apocalypse. Given a determination to run on an emergency footing, there’s no reason we could not have ridden out half a million deaths, even if there were some more due to overloading of hospitals (which occurred anyway as a matter of panic policy response).
Yes, some people would have died. Perhaps our loss of population would have doubled for the year, from about 1% to about 2%. But this was never a disease that attacked the people who run the basic services unduly. It was never gong to disrupt supply chains or production, unless we allowed, nay encourage it to, as we foolishly have done.
It’s all about undue fear and excess caution, replacing “keep calm and carry on”, as the basic operating principle for society and for governance.
These are all good points, and deserve discussion. The answer to the question of whether the NHS, and civil society generally, could cope with ten times the level of cases and deaths that we had in spring is not to be found in this computation, of course!
Obviously “could cope with” needs to be interpreted carefully, in the context of a worst case disaster. The point is it would not be an apocalyptic disaster, just a disaster.
But nobody honest could deny that the economic, cultural and social; effects of the policies adopted constitute a “disaster” as well. Perhaps less intense, but much longer lasting and probably much more costly.
We’ve basically exchanged the risk of a disaster for the certainty of one.
I agree that these are discussions that deserve to be held. My overarching point is that these are discussions to be held on the basis of how policy actually was, or should have been, made, not on the basis of the incorrect and frankly rather reckless assertions of Dr Yeadon which I quoted and which were the subject of my initial comments.
Agree with you completely. Even with WCS not apocalyptic. The problem with all the discussion in this thread is the notion that we somehow can mitigate this. The mathematical modellers have no idea how bad the evidence is for mitigation and it could certainly not be quantified. The evidence for SD is extremely weak and even school closures are not certain. How on earth can you quantify the effect of SD? Is 2 m distance 25% better than 1,5m? Is only 5 people gathering 100% better than 50? The evidence for SD is so weak that to quantify it (and use in modelling) is impossible. This is a vicious circle. The epidemiologist can only guestimate the effect and feed the mathematicians this, and who will churn out different scenarios. Then letting incompetent politicians decide is bound to end in a catastrophically results.
SAGE presented modelling scenarios that – bar one – were massively out of line with actuality.
I don’t recall any outcry from the theoretical modelling world that the data was being abuse.
Really? Which SAGE meetings or papers are you referring to?
“it is extremely concerning to me that a rank amateur like me was much closer to what happened than the government’s modelling.”
… and I guess that sums up the scepticism of the many who actually looked at the data consistently rather than played games.
Er, the point about the RWC estimate is that it was for the counter-factual scenario of nothing at all being done. Of course the outcome, for a radically different scenario, was different.
As to the wisdom of the rank amateur, there is a selection bias here. The rank amateurs whose predictions did not come true are hardly likely to be commenting here. It’s about as useful as suggesting that a rank amateur can predict lottery numbers.
Bet your a Holocaust denier in your spare time…
No.
I don’t think there is any need for such a comment. Richard Pinch is perfectly entitled to post here and be disagreed with without recourse to offensiveness.
Thanks.
Yes, I agree with you on that, Will.
In fact, Richard Pinch is an intelligent and informed commenter who brings valuable expertise and makes points well, and courteously. I write that even though I disagree with him on many of them,….
And unlike Mayo, Richard Pinch is not here on the wind up.
Again, thanks, much appreciated.
I am the same as Jakehadlee. I was sitting in Bongkok with loads of Chinese from Wuhan when this thing started in earnest in January. I also did back of an envelope calculations, using information then available from China and South Korea. It is not true to say data was not available then, it was not from western sources, but it was available.
Also you have deliberately misinterpreted ‘unaccountable’. Yeardon clearly means The Professor at Imperial can’t apparantly get sacked for continually getting his modelling wrong. He has an awful track record. He deals in GIGO.
You also deliberately misinterpret ‘reasonable’ in RWC. There is nothing reasonable in using outlier inputs into scenario building, its just ‘worse case’. You seem to advocate the worst of ‘precautionary principle’ use in policy decisions. If this was followed to a logical conclusion the human race would never have left its caves. Risk is an important part of the risk/reward balance.
This is just a badly constructed attempt at justifying ‘the expert’ and passing the buck to ‘the politician’. Something Whitty and Valance practiced with aplomb in front of the Select Committee. Then the politicians simpley retort they are ‘following the science’. And hey presto both sets of incompetents wriggle free.
This is coupled with what seems a poor attempt at belittling Yeardon.
And I didn’t say that. I said “very limited knowledge”.
No, I don’t. You disagree with whether it is reasonable, that’s all. You refer to “outlier” estimates and I disagree, on the basis of what was known at the time.
It would improve our discussion if you were to address opinions different to your own without assuming intellectual dishonesty.
‘intellectual dishonesty’ , your words., not mine.
Indeed. Your words were “deliberately misinterpreted” which you wrote twice. That’s an accusation of intellectual dishonesty, and I reject it. You apparently now wish to distance yourself from that accusation. Do you therefore accept that such an accusation would be unfounded?
I hear you Richard Pinch and up voted you accordingly. The problem for Ferguson is that a Nobel prize winner emailed him and advised that the data from various settings, including the Diamond Princess cruise ship, indicated that there was significant pre existing immunity to the virus. Ferguson didn’t reply to Michael Levitt so we can’t know whether or not he read the advice. But, quite frankly, it is immaterial, if Ferguson read the advice and ignored it he is an arrogant, ignorant prick who has blood on his hands; if he didn’t read the advice he is an arrogant, ignorant prick who has blood on his hands.
I don’t know what Levitt wrote or how Ferguson reacted. I have read Levitt’s later preprint Predicting the Trajectory of Any COVID19 Epidemic From the Best Straight Line and on that basis I would hardly hold him up as an authority.
Levitt’s revelation that he had emailed Ferguson imploring him to have another look at the available data was the moment I realised a catastrophic mistake was being made. My understanding is He wasn’t predicting what would happen, just that there was data that contradicted the in put Ferguson was using for his model. If such data existed, and it did, Ferguson choosing to ignore it meant he wasn’t modelling on a reasonable worst case scenario, he was modelling on a scenario which the available data simply didn’t support.
As I said, data was partial and inconsistent. SAGE chose a set of parameters as their best assessment, see minutes of SAGE 11. It’s not correct to say the data did not support that choice.
The data selected for use did not support that choice is not the same as the data did not support that choice.
If the data was partial and inconsistent can the outcome from it be described as a “reasonable” worst case scenario? This is where mathematics moves into semantics. On the same theme, given the RWC is predicated on “doing nothing” it is completely meaningless because nobody is going to “do nothing” in the face of a virus. In practical, real world terms it is beyond disingenuous to suggest that the 510,000 figure was based on a “do nothing” scenario. The message was clear, if you don’t lock down 510,000 people will die to claim otherwise, as Ferguson has done stretches credulity considerably beyond its elastic limit.
I think that, whatever position you take on this question, it tends to support my initial comment, which was that is was simply not correct to ascribe the blame for — well, whatever you find blameworthy — on “extraordinary errors in modelling created by unaccountable academics” as Dr Yeadon is happy to do.
Mathematics is not the driver for whether or not you agree that the “Reasonable Worst Case” reasonable or not. That’s a matter of assessing the real-world paramaters that you feed into your model, and the real-world conclusions you derive from its output. Since “semantics” refers to using words in such a way as to be understood accurately by others, I’m always puzzled by the way people seem to use it as if it were some kind of knock-down refutation.
By the way, I’m happy to criticise the use or abuse of a RWC as a prediction, no matter by whom.
“Something which was not available in early February.”
Two words, “diamond”, and “princess”
Thanks, I have heard of it. As I was careful to say earlier, the information was limited and not consistent. Decisions had to be made. Those decisions may or may not have been, but they had to be made, and were made. All of which has nothing to do with the alleged errors in modelling that Dr Yeadon lays the blame on, incorrectly in my view.
I fail to understand the amount of time you spend on defending the modeling process when, in practical terms, it has been so useless in so many instances.
The best that you might argue is that it is a very immature theoretical process that needs a lot of development to make it valid and reliable. But it certainly isn’t something that should, without massive qualification, be linked to policy formation.
The distinguishing feature of Imperial College’s work in the field is its faiure of accurate prediction – i.e. of its main purpose.
Well, I’m happy to admit that as a practising professional mathematician I have an interest in seeing mathematical modelling, which I know to be a valuable tool when correctly applied, and mathematical modellers, some of whom are colleagues of mine, blamed for things that are doing things they did not do, or for not doing things that they could not do.
It’s particularly worth refuting such incorrect assertions when they are made by someone such as Dr Yeadon, who as a professional in a related scientific discipline, ought to know better.
I think this is all a bit of an intellectual exercise because I think even you, Richard Pinch, would now acknowledge that the figure of 500,000 deaths was nonsense because it was predicated on an IFR that was too high and the supposition that no one had any pre existing immunity to sars-cov-2.
It’s an intellectual exercise until you read something like Dr Yeadon’s
which is, in my view, quite wrong.
As I’ve repeatedly said, the precise figure is less important than the policy answer “Can we cope with the result of the do-nothing scenario”. I think the answer “No” was likely to be the right one, then and now. “Nonsense”: no — “best answer at the time”: yes — “best answer in hindsight”: near enough.
I was getting worried about you we hadn’t heard from you for so long;but as soon as Ferguson’s report is mention ed you reappear with the same tired discredited arguments.
Thank you for your concern. My arguments may be tired, but the energy with which people choose to misrepresent Ferguson seems tireless. As to “discredited”, that’s your view and you are entitled to it.
In my view, the conservative estimate of little-to-no pre-existing immunity was the correct assumption to make at the time, based on very limited knowledge about the virus at that stage.
Richard – we’ve disagreed on this before, and I’m reposting something similar to what I’ve posted on here preciously, in reply to both you and Mayo, but to which I don’t recall seeing counter arguments.
Fundamentally, I remain of the opinion that SAGE were wrong to assume 100% susceptibility – even back in March, let alone later in the spring and even now.
At parameters R0 = 2.5 to 3, and infectious for about 5 days, the disease spreads fast, and given that each infected person is infectious before they know they have the disease, it is essentially uncontrollable without an absolutely draconian lockdown, the likes of which we have not seen.
But by February the disease was out and about, world-wide, and couldn’t be contained. At R0 = 2.8, infectious for 5 days, 100% susceptible, 0.9% IFR, the bodies would have been piling high in China long before. But they weren’t. Time therefore to revisit the assumptions. R0 and 5 days had been observed; they were probably close to correct. That leaves IFR and susceptibility. It was clear that those assumptions could not be correct. Even back in February and March.
That SAGE, Vallance and Whitty are still essentially assuming 100% susceptibility (minus the about 7% who have identifiable antibodies) is, frankly, astonishing, and points to its own story. And it isn’t a pretty one.
Ah, that’s a different matter. The situation still is not clear though. If we take 7% seroprevalence (15% in London) then there have been about 5 million infections, and 50,000 deaths, which is about 1% IFR. If we look at New York, with about deaths 0.25% of the entire population, then IFR clearly is at least 0.25%, and if there had been 50% pre-existing immunity, that would be an IFR of at least 0.5%. On the other hand, Manaus and Guayaquil seem to have reached herd immunity at around 30% suggesting pre-existing immunity of maybe 50% (or other effects such as differential susceptibility). On the other other hand, there’s a seroprevalence figure of 50% for Manaus which if correct, suggests a lower but non-zero pre-existing immunity. And so on.
Let’s suppose, though, that SAGE had taken a 50% pre-existing immunity. The do-nothing scenario would had led to around 30% of cases, maybe 200,000 deaths. It seems to me that this would have been the same answer to the question “Can we cope?”, ie still “No”.
So how did you verify the infections and deaths were properly attributed?
That’s what validation and verification are about.
We know in the UK that flu tests were not done for a large number of people as resources were tight, hence those “Covid” cases are nothing of the sort.
I did not personally verify them, of course. Did you personally validate and verify those things “we know”? There comes a point when we decide who and what to trust.
Try and talk about something other than mathematical modelling Richard for christ sake. It really does become terribly boring after a while.This shit show is about so much more than models…you really give boffins a bad name. Why not have a break and talk about eg police tactics,censorship,rights and freedoms,the economy….anything!!!
I discuss what I’m interested in, and no doubt others do the same. Mathematical modelling was explicitly mentioned in Dr Yeadon’s “blockbuster piece” which is the lead topic on today’s posting.
As for giving boffins a bad name, that’s precisely what Dr Yeadon does in the comment I originally quoted at the top of this thread, not to mention the majority of other people commenting here. My purpose, in case you hadn’t gathered, was to restore some balance to that particular discussion.
If you don’t want to read what someone writes, I draw your attention to the fact that the name of the author is written in bold green at the top of each comment,
Thanks for your reply. Sorry I haven’t replied earlier – been out and about.
I haven’t looked at my speadsheet model since late April, and now I just have it’s a right mess and I can’t remember what I was doing (although I knew at he time). Bit like the Imperial model suppose.
So do you accept my point that SAGE should have allowed for the concept of some population immunity back in Feb/March? Seems obvious to me that they should have done. Had I been at those meetings I would certainly have pressed the matter.
As I say, I can’t run my own model just now, but – off the top of my head- your implied new figure of 150k deaths seems a plausible calculation (30% of 500k). But that’s based on an IFR of 0.9% – which again I would dispute. If for example, we take 0.3% (which seems much more realistic now, or even much lower – depends on how an ‘infection’ is defined), we get 45k deaths – not far from where we are now – and at the point that both I and Dr Yeadon think the virus-wave is essential over. And can we cope with that – yes.
I take your point about the New York IFR pointing towards an IFR of 0.5% or even higher. But there was a lot going on in NY, which we still don’t understand – in particular population demographics, which may have led to a higher than normal IFR, and – for example – factors like air pollution (which I suspect may also be a factor).
But I come back to my original point. I believe that (and have explained why) SAGE should have allowed for the concept of substantial population immunity even back in February, and the IFR of 0.9% was also suspicious back then. But they don’t seem to have asked these questions. Why? My suspicion is that they didn’t want to know, and were interested only in pushing the most apocalyptic scenario they could get away with.
If you’re asking, should they have explicitly asked themselves what the correct assumption, or range of assumptions, was for pre-existing immunity, then my answer is, yes they should. Indeed, since it’s explicitly a basic parameter of most reasonable models, the modelling process would have thrown it up as a necessary input. I’m not in a position to say how such as discussion might have gone.
If you’re asking, should they have assumed a value other than zero for a Reasonable Worst Case scenario, then my opinion (which is what it is) is, no.
I thought I heard that for SARS1 it was already known that some people had existing immunity owing to previous exposure to coronavirus colds. By extension, there was clearly a very realistic probability of pre-existing immunity to SARS2. (Although I can’t get a source for this at the moment, so may be mistaken – I don’t know if anyone else can confirm/deny.)
In any event, I find it astonishing that SAGE did not allow for this. And as I’ve explained, by March there was good indirect evidence of widespread pre-existing immunity to SARS2. And anyone playing with the figures, even on a simple spreadsheet as I did, would quickly realise that the level of pre-existing immunity was an absolutely fundamental and primary assumption for any calculations.
But SAGE just didn’t want to know. They didn’t appear to want to have, as you accurately out it, explicitly asked themselves what the correct assumption, or range of assumptions, was for pre-existing immunity’. Why ever not??
There is an important difference between a reasonable WCS and an extreme WCS. SAGE appears always to have based their advice on extreme WCSs. If we work on extreme WCSs we wouldn’t ever leave the house, and even that might be too dangerous. (Which funnily enough is what they advised.)
That even as late as this autumn SAGE appear to deny the possibility of pre-existing immunity, and even of T cell immunity is astounding.
In my view, this fully justifies Dr Yeadon’s criticisms of them. They have a great deal to answer for.
I understand that we might allow them a bit of leeway in terms of criticism in light of what they were facing back in March. Yet by late April the picture was becoming clearer. As I say though, they just didn’t want to know. Of the many legacies that will emerge from this tragedy, I think that the reputation of ‘science’ will have suffered a grievous blow.
Dr Yeadon has in fact called Prof. Vallance a liar on social media and challenged him to sue him over this. For whatever reason, the cudgels have not been taken up.
I should add that it’s a pity there isn’t a technical forum on this site, as by tomorrow this thread will be essentially lost, and at some future date we will run through all the points raised here again!
It’s important to get to the truth over matters such as this, or at least to establish what is truth and what is opinion, and what are the limits of the evidence supporting those opinions; and what is just mud-slinging.
Got to log out for the evening now.
I’m suspicious of Yeadon
Why?
I very rarely watch the commercial tv stations “live” and record the programmes and like a lot of people FF through the “adverts” but I watched itv on their “hub” last night and of course, had to sit through the “ads”.
Over the years, all of us have had to endure some “stomach churning ” drivel, but this year’s Tesco Christmas one is surely the absolute worst,( “am I on the naughty step?” complete with visors and masks.
An “old bat” whittering on about doing something in just her pants(Too much information) and asking “am I on the naughty step?”;
My wife and myself are in our early 70’s and we both find this “collaborating friendly” load of hogwash extremely patronising,insulting and degrading,
is it any wonder that seemingly the majority of our population are collaborating sheep?, watching such brain rotting drivel, open to all the government propaganda that we have had to ensure these last few months?
That Tesco one is disgusting. I could not believe what I was watching.
The Tesco ad is ridiculous I agree but I think the British Gas one may be even worse. It seems to go out of it’s way to tick as many boxes as possible featuring mask-wearing, a gay couple and the boiler repairman being a “person of colour” (is that the pc term, I just don’t know anymore?)
Bit off topic, I think adverts are full of ethnic people now, or mixed race couples/families, pale skinned people are almost in the minority now!
And a lot of xmas adverts are animated. Probably easier than trying to film something trying to keep to “guidelines”.
Of course, Hitchens is telling his flock that writing to MPs (who are already complicit in a heinous crime) to beg for crumbs is the only lawful means available to them, the odious little turd. Exploiting his audience’s child-like minds, he tells them that they should warn an MP that he or she could lose their seat, and this will be their leverage for influence. The revolving door from the Commons onto the board of a lobbying corporation doesn’t feature in this fairy tale scape.
Far more effective – in fact devastatingly so – than the waste of time and energy that is writing to MPs (who won’t vote against lockdown), in London this weekend, people exercised their lawful right to walk the streets, making the police arrest them for none over than that.
Non compliance, disobedience and dignity, folks, not begging for crumbs from a shower of bastards.
Prohibition and Covid-19; Part Two the Great Reset is Socialism
“The revolving door from the Commons onto the board of a lobbying corporation doesn’t feature in this fairy tale scape.”
Do you seriously expect us to believe that Hitchens is not aware of this phenomenon, or that he approves of it?
Some MPs voted against the government last time, hopefully more will do so this time. Street protests may play a part in them changing their minds, as may them receiving large volumes of emails asking them to vote against or lose support. It’s not either/or – they are two sides of the same coin.
Hitchens has been a withering, eloquent and consistent critic of the goverment from Day 1 and his position on lockdowns is one of the most purist in so far as he places a very high price on liberty.
I don’t see how his influence on this can be anything but positive for our side.
“Non compliance, disobedience and dignity, folks, not begging for crumbs from a shower of bastards.”
They are indeed a shower of bastards, but I fail to see how noncompliance, disobedience and dignity are incompatible with writing to your MP or how that is “begging for crumbs” – simply exercising a means to try and influence those who can directly affect the direction we are going on.
I sadly agree writing to most MPs is a complete waste of time. Living in a safe Conservative seat with a very wealthy MP who is completely out of touch with how many are suffering I have grown tired of her replies simply stating the establishment narrative.
Non compliance is indeed the way forward to end the tyranny, the only problem is how to convinced the masses whilst they continue to consume state propaganda via the main stream media. As long as the government bribes people to comply most are surprisingly willing to submit. Also 150+ people on Saturday were kidnapped for several hours and extorted which frightens many.
If your MP received many thousands of emails on this subject, almost all expressing scepticism, it might well make a difference
The trouble is if the politician is completely unwilling to look at any alternative view points, it really feels like it is a waste of time and energy, people acting normally is what the authoritarians hate the most. The police on Saturday looked completely disgusted by people not acting like obedient slaves.
I would also suggest boycotting the companies who are pushing compliance and mask wearing via their advertising campaigns as much as possible.
You may disagree with his strategy but Hitchens is not the enemy here.
… and an article like this one : “Prohibition and Covid-19; Part Two the Great Reset is Socialism”
… is typical of what is not effective if you want to generate wide support. It’s immediate bin-fodder.
The Great Reset is not socialism. Unless a massive upflow of wealth to the billionaires is considered so. Agree about Hitchens. He’s happy for others to risk being beaten up by police for his freedom
One thing apparent from being in Central London on Saturday was the fear of the virus is real by seeing so many young people masked up. We are in an information war with the powers that be controlling most of the mas media including social media as seen from Youtube banning any content that doesn’t fit into this so called “New Normal”.
WE (who now know that this is all BS) need a new approach to taking on the apparent destruction of life and freedoms as we know it. Those of us already reading lockdownsceptics are already converted to the fact that none of this makes sense, 95% of of the population are just accepting the propaganda and one sided argument dished out by media (BBC in particular) and the government. So it isn’t any wonder to understand why so many are fearful of this scamdemic. The governments (Seems pretty much the whole world) are dependent of the masses being fearful for whatever reason (Many of us have idea’s but for now we must leave conspiracy theories out of this, for now). So I’m proposing we fight back with our own information war, with our strengths being that our information is based on real scientific FACTS and truths. There’s enough information just on this site only to destroy whatever nasty plans they have for us but the only issue is getting this info out to the masses. How do we do this?
Well one suggestion I have is we produce a leaflet (Covid the facts) probably no more the a two-side A4 sheet that contains, facts (Verifiable, with references and links) There’s more than enough info just from this site alone. This will be delivered to every household in the country. There should be nothing on this printed leaflet that can be considered conspirator theorist or anti-vax etc.. The goal of this is to remove (reduce) the fear amongst the population making new government measures more difficult to implement. I would be happy to distribute this in the area I live. Not sure how the Gov. can get this banned. So we need
We need to take the fight to the people before it’s too late.
Thoughts?
Wonderful idea,
This is the way to go.
On bard with everything you said, although I think far more than 5% of the population are sceptical.
The Light newspaper is already doing something like this – they were looking for helpers the other day. They have a website which I am sure you can find via a search engine.
I know some young people who are scared but I think a lot of the young wearing masks in London are just virtue signalling.
https://thelightpaper.co.uk
Sign up to distribute https://thelightpaper.co.uk/distribute
The first thing I see when I hit the link was Agenda 21, this is the very thing that won’t work with the masses. In my view it needs to be based on facts and numbers that support our cause. This stuff just alienates people more. As for 95% OK that is just a figure I pulled out the air but the majority is still scared and believes world government narratives.
Agreed. Let’s stick to the knitting, as RickH would say.
Also, I would strongly suggest an inverted pyramid approach, so reading the first paragraph is all that is required to get the message.
As much as I admire Yeadon’s work, I find it hard to get through with my Internet-addled attention span. We need to be concise.
There are quite a few local distributors (none in Scotland, yet!!), great opportunity to get the paper out to shops and local areas, there isn’t enough printed at the moment for house to house distribution.
Well worth £5 a month!!!!
“95% of of the population are just accepting the propaganda”. No they aren’t – and now I have to wonder why you’ve done that.
In any case; folks, don’t worry about shining up pearls to be cast before swine. The first thing to do is to effectively organise the very many – and it’s certainly way more than 5% – who know that “Covid-19” is a crock of crap. This isn’t being done – because those who you are looking to lead you on a national level aren’t there for that. You must organise in your own communities.
A List Of FBEL’s Covid-19 Articles – And Brief Comments Regarding Continuation Of Coronahoax.
It’s great to see constructive ideas, and I flinch at being a party pooper. But :
“getting this info out to the masses”
…. isn’t the only issue.
A key issue is getting it accepted into conciousness, rather than being just dismissed as another of those ‘conspiracy theories’.
I’m writing this just after talking to a family member who had one of the really bad genuine attacks of Covid-19 during the real first wave, in London.
Getting over the Fear barrier, driven by all the official propaganda (never mind real personal experience) is the really hard ask, even when good information is out there.
A sane official response to an epidemic would, of course, incorporate a strategy for keeping things in perspective and minimising panic. This government has done the precise opposite – and it is the only thing in which they’ve been successful.
@RickH I never said it was the only issue but as you rightfully point out in your last paragraph
<i>”A sane official response to an epidemic would, of course, incorporate a strategy for keeping things in perspective and minimising panic. This government has done the precise opposite – and it is the only thing in which they’ve been successful.”</i>
This is way I’m proposing we put things in propspective to minimise fear that unfortunately the government should’ve done.
<i>”A key issue is getting it accepted into conciousness, rather than being just dismissed as another of those ‘conspiracy theories’.”</i>
That’s why it’s important to stick to facts and verifiable numbers. Any suggestion of conspiracies will be rejected immediately by the masses.
We can’t deny the virus isn’t nasty for some and doesn’t exist but we have to put this in context and help reduce the fear.
there’s a job for prof Zimmer – and his Chicago Principles – as Eton head, hopefully imminently.
May have been shared before but worth a repost and certainly a listen if you haven’t already:
What a world-leading Vaccine expert has to say…
https://adapnation.io/what-a-world-leading-vaccine-expert-has-to-say/
Great update – thanks.
Terrific work from Mike Yeadon.
I can’t thank Dr Mike Yeadon enough for expert guidance. I have had my livelihood completely destroyed by Government policy. I know now it’s all been in vain and the Government are just doubling down to hide their error.
That much was evident six months ago, sadly.
Isn’t it strange how BJ’s attitude to windmills is so contradictary. On the one hand he advocates covering the entire country with them in the vain hope of providing us with enough electicity for our compulsory electric vehicles, whilst on the other hand he continues to relentlessly tilt at them with his Quixote like corona policy.
I suppose it makes sense to him, just not the rest of us.
Whilst I am here, tomorrow is the vote in parliament on the latest ’tilting’ exercise so today is your last chance to influence your MP.
As many have done before, I recommend the site: https://www.writetothem.com/ for the easiest way to register your protest if you haven’t already done so.
This is part of an article (one of a 5 part series) from Corey’s Digs
https://www.coreysdigs.com/health-science/covid-19-pt-2-cdcs-new-pic-and-the-hidden-data/ It’s based in US – worth a read. She does articles on Great Reset too, for anyone interested
Recap
• The Covid Tracking Project alleges nearly 256,000 people have died from Covid as of November 27, while Johns Hopkins and google reflect nearly 266,000. That in itself is quite a discrepancy.
• As noted in Corey’s Digs Hospitalizations article, the Covid Tracking Project has officially hidden the cumulative hospitalizations (because it doesn’t hold water), as well as the recovery column (because it’s good news) from their website, and can only be viewed by downloading the data via csv file
• The CDC has stated that only 6% of death certificates indicated Covid-19 as the only cause
• They are lumping Covid-related deaths in with influenza and pneumonia as “PIC”
• 94% of Covid-related deaths have on average 2.6 comorbidities, with 40% of all deaths taking place in nursing homes, long-term care facilities, and hospice
• Only 6.6% of those who get tested, are testing positive, and of those 90% are asymptomatic, while multiple studies have shown tests pumping out false/positives
• The media has created a frenzy over hospitalizations, which are far less than the 810,000 cases during the 2017-2018 influenza season, and there are currently an alleged 91,635 Covid-related hospitalizations across the entire U.S. as of November 28
• Those already dying from life-threatening illnesses, who happen to test positive for Covid, are being added to the Covid-19 death totals, despite the fact that 90% of them show no symptoms
• Original models suggested 1-2 million people would die in the U.S. alone from Covid. They allege 256,000 have, with 94% having comorbidities. To put this in perspective, over 600,000 people died of cancer last year, 655,000 people die each year from heart disease, and between 250,000 – 440,000 people die each year from medial errors
• They allege that masks work, yet after 8 months of wearing them they allege people are dying
• They closed down the economy, people lost their businesses, millions of people are waiting in food lines each week, the suicide rate has drastically climbed, elective surgeries and other life-threatening diseases were all put on hold and caused deaths, and masks are mandatory in many places causing infections and other serious issues – all totally unwarranted and unconstitutional
And yet, despite all of this manipulation, the fact of the matter is, the survival rate would only go up from what is already incredibly high.
As I said yesterday, in some ways that 94.6% figure could look scary if you are 70+ and healthy. A better way to look at it would be “what are my chances of dying this year” and then look at “what are my chances of dying of covid if I catch it” and I think you’ll find the two figures are very similar and many would look at them and start to realise they may as well get on with life and stop worrying. For any doubters you could throw in “what are my chances of dying this year if I catch flu or a cold or some other respiratory infection”.
Boris “ Once again, the British people have come together to bring Covid under control. ”
That’s like suggesting the population of a prison have come together to reduce the rates of murder and burglary. It’s not a choice. We legally are not allowed to do anything else. We haven’t “come together”, we’ve been legally forced to stay apart. That’s all, Boris. Just like the population of a prison is legally held so as to not commit murder and burglary
I thought we’d all been not complying properly, disobeying the rules, not distancing, etc etc…Hence the need for the ruinous fines and over zealous policing.
As expected, on the eve of a huge vote, the Government’s friends at Imperial step in with their latest REACT study that claims that Tiers and Lockdown are just the job.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55124286
BBC lie right there.
Well, it’s Elliott, isn’t it?
Respected by WHO EXACTLY?
Yeah, I know. The BBC and Handjob, I assume.
Nice link to Lockdown Sceptics on the top reply though.
This is all-but admitting that lockdown 2 was never necessary to “keep the virus under control”, surely?
Well if Tiers were working, it proves that the second lockdown was unnecessary doesn’t it? And that the new “tougher” tiers are also a load of cr*p? They can’t have it both ways.
Arse covering both cheeks.
Nick R has just blown this argument, with the figures for Leicester.
Nick’s right, of course; we all know that. They know it, too.
Whitty blew the argument himself when he told the Health Select Committee (in June, I think) that the pandemic had peaked before the first lockdown started.
Imperial and SAGE know they are lying when they claim the lockdowns and tiers made the changes we are seeing.
Just saw this little gem on Talk Radio..Basically the police illegaly enter a students house, tell them to open every room and then tell him to go to bed ( in his own house!!!) He is fucking 22! We now live in East Germany in 1975 and I love how he says that every day he is in fear that somebody will knock his door down and barge in..Not the criminals the police and the Stasi ( Covid Marshalls) Fuck them too the moon!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?edufilter=NULL&v=ZOlyv_zVHl8
Should sue as that’s illegal.
Absolutely. Poor sods. Even when they aren’t doing anything ‘wrong’ (when actually they should be as it’s their right of passage) they are terrified out of their wits that their homes are going to be unlawfully broken into. It’s absolutely disgusting.
I have written twice to the Attorney General to question the whole legal side of this virus hoo-haa and how the Police are using the law, no reply to date. Unless you have the sort of money that Simon Dolan has it is difficult to know how you can take any legal action on this?
See my reply above.
Correct; it is not that difficult or expensive to take a civil action to court, and to make a formal complaint to the IOPC. They must be encouraged to do this. See Crimebodge on YouTube or Ian Gould (Solicitor).
Yes I heard that, I thought I was dreaming – sometimes have to pinch myself.
Ouch! No still awake!
Good morning everyone. I took the opportunity to write to my local MP, Douglas Ross( leader of the Scottish Conservatives and proud possessor of one of the smallest majorities in the land) threatening dire consequences if he voted the wrong way tomorrow. He actually responded personally (and it was him not his secretary ) saying that he would be voting against the Government tomorrow.
Maybe there is still hope to be found in the the representatives of the people.
I have also been sounding out the higher ups about forming
an alternative Parliament since the existing one seems to be effectively derelict in its duties. What do you all think? I am serious about this. I think it might work. We need a flag to rally to.
Good work James. I wrote to him a few months back but didn’t get a reply. Might do it again today.
“Maybe there is still hope to be found in the the representatives of the people.”
I give you the words of Karl Urban, as Eomer : “Look for your friends. But do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands.”
Ok, this demonstrates the censorship going on regarding the truth about all this shit.
I have since been banned from commenting on the scummy Edinburgh live rag, because I comment against the fear mongering narrative. So, I left a comment saying
“Fuck You Edinburgh Live, the truth hurts & it will come out but you can’t have that happen on here because you have to keep up the fear mongering stories”
Then, another reach plc publication, the daily record, you can’t comment on their articles usually, but, wobetide anyone who speaks the truth, you get made out to be a conspiracy theorist, as demonstrated here
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-conference-host-blasted-dangerous-23089502
I am really feeling angry at all of this now.
So much for free speech & opinions.
I went through a similar banning on a local forum recently. The opening post from an admin was a large piece blaming rule breakers for brining another lockdown and that our poor NHS was overwhelmed.
I pointed out that the same admin had scared people in March claiming our town would get 4,000 deaths from Covid if businesses did not lockdown. We’ve had about 100. 70% of ehcib are over 80 and average life expectancy is 78. Simple stuff. They actually have patted themselves on the back saying they saved all these lives because they acted early. Idiots of course.
I was rounded on by a few people with slurs. I asked the admin to remove their posts as it was against the rules of the forum as stated in their bio.
I got banned. They are the worst kind of zealots. They think that they are a positive force for the community and always insist on positive posts that celebrate the town.
They are self appointed community leaders and not a critical thought enters their mind. They say the don’t do politics but are overtly so, hiding it behind their virtue signalling.
It’s everywhere. People even self censor and they don’t eve know it
Well said. & true.
Nicla looks like shit sturgeon on marr yesterday.
There was a moment when nicla defended scotlands 30x worse than Norway covie death stats. A commentor from the pro Scottish independence website Wings Over Scotland spotted this fatal flaw with niclas words –
“”– says:
29 November, 2020 at 4:06 pm
Quoting Mrs. Murrell:
“excess deaths in Scotland have actually been lower than in England but a higher proportion of these excess deaths have been attributed to Covid.”
So she’s actually admitting that the Covid figures are falsified.””
If anyone missed the blink-o-rama that was nicla looks like shit sturgeon’s performance on marr the wings article has the video embedded, the article is a good summary of the current state of affairs.
Enjoy https://wingsoverscotland.com/titanic-blinky/
It makes lovely reading.
*looks like shit is the phrase being used by many a pro scottish independence support just now.
She is an arsehole.
If you read the rest of the column, you’ll see that the Dear Leader is about to throw her deputy under a bus in what’s turning into a major scandal over her apparent witch hunt for Alex Salmond, which is being investigated by the Scottish Parliament. This sacrifice (John Swinney) may not be enough to save her, but I wouldn’t doubt her cockroach-like ability to survive. Good to see the parliament actually trying to scrutinise the government for a change.
Otherwise, yes, the SNP always compares Scotland to England (an obsession for nationalists) unless some other comparison is brought in from abroad to make Scotland look good. Funny to see the Scandinavian case NOT to Sturgeon’s liking this time; normally, Norway is an SNP favourite, despite the fact that there is nothing Scandinavian about Scotland, apart from (perhaps) the weather.
Laurence Fox: Totally opposite concerning politics but TOTAL RESPECT concerning him and the Morgan “creature”
Leicester had Tier 3 style restrictions imposed as long ago as 29th June. This charts shows that despite that it has exactly the same profile as just about everywhere else (that had relatively few infections in the spring).
Is the apparent higher number of ‘cases’ in Leicester itself simply a reflection of a higher number of tests?
Read the Mike Yeadon piece above & watch the 10 min video he links to about the PCR casedemic & you can see it’s all Salem witch trialesque.
The argument would probably be that there was no compliance, even though it proves lockdowns have little effect.
You’re absolutely right, non compliance at Eid and Diwali. Large Asian weddings in restaurants have all got the blame , then schools and universities opening, no mask wearing. The local paper is full of this.
This kind of awfully dense thinking from the public, if allowed to take hold, will just lead to more and more bad solutions to a problem only they can see. The fundamentals are messed up so any attempt to address the casedemic just becomes self defeating
And the stupid gov will put the whole county, the most rural and little populated outside towns, into tier 3.
I really hope they will reconsider this nonsense.
So my husband and I both have it now. He got sick and tested positive. I developed symptoms one week later. I am considering whether to take the test. I know it’s completely dodgy, but if I get a positive, maybe it could work to my advantage. If I can prove I’ve had it, can I get out of taking the vaccine? Thoughts? By the way, we are doing fine.
No! Of course it won’t let you off the hook with the vaccine. The narrative is that having had a positive test doesn’t mean that you can’t be reinfected. By all means have a test if you want to but don’t expect it to confer any benefits!
There’s no get out of jail free card here. They want you to have the jab, despite what centuries of immunology tells us. Don’t have a test, you’ll just become another statistic to be used against us. Get well soon!
Testing plays its part in fuelling the nonsense
Up to you of course but aside from the vaccine question which I would doubt is relevant, the thought of having something stuck up my nose would put me off
Keep away from testing stations playing into the hands of the manipulators,if you don’t want the vaccine just say NO.
Personally, I wouldn’t support a system that is collectively shafting us.
Seems likely the line will be “we can’t absolutely guarantee that a past positive test means you either had the disease or will be immune, so we still require vaccination [to fly/travel/shop/etc etc]”.
Obviously, the money and political establishments both require a big takeup of these vaccines, so it’s pretty clear such nonsense will prevail, regardless of the inherent hypocrisy (of course, when it suits them a test absolutely is a guarantee of being ill, and immunity is long lasting – if it comes from a vaccination, etc).
No, don’t take a test, hold a party for all the COVID sceptics
Thank you for all your replies. If things were sensible, it seems a positive test could get one out of a vaccine. However, nothing has been sensible this whole year. Why would it change now? Best not to get taken up into the system.
Are you aware that if you test positive they will hold your records for 8 years?
That is part of the T&T website.
Any contacts they trace, their details will be held for 5 years.
I would not get involved with the system, even if it is only that they want to do follow up (long covid) and need your details “for research”.
Why take a dodgy test? Take some paracetamol and go to bed until you feel better. Afterall it is the flu season.
Mrs C. commented on the papers saying the Government were looking to ‘celebs’ (and the young royals, according to the Guardian) to push the vaccine. She asked what I though of the move.
I suggested that the Government already know that, contrary to all the polls on the BBC and elsewhere, people aren’t going to be queueing up in their millions for this vaccine.
I also suggested that if they don’t already know this, they are more dumb than I think.
Anyone else think the Gov are overconfident with regard to the vaccine uptake?
I am expecting 50% uptake at the absolute minimum. Where it goes from there is anyone’s guess.
Yes. Plenty of sheep out there.
70-80%. Many will get it just to get their two week holiday abroad.
I think you are almost certainly right
I don’t know. But the bovine compliance with absolutely senseless measures up to now doesn’t fill me with great optimism, I’m afraid.
I feel that a major driver will be a (false) ‘Ah well, this’ll get it over and done with” mentality. Which may well be a major driver of current policy over fake ‘waves’ and lockdowns.
The celebrities should be held every bit as accountable and liable for damages as everyone else involved.
Ceriain, my guess would be that there will be plenty of takers to keep the vaccination programme ticking over initially and give the impression of widespread enthusiasm. It doesn’t need to be the majority in order for social pressure to build and more people to fall into line after a while. However, they know from flu vaccine that everyone doesn’t buy in so they will surely be looking for anyone who might influence the populace in the desired direction.
It’s the deadliest cruellest most unprecedented lethal-to-everyone indiscriminatory virus ever known to mankind. It must be, right? Why else would we have closed the country down for the best part of a year now?
Surely people will be trampling over the heads of others (grannies included) to get to this life-saving, indeed human kind-saving, vaccine? Won’t the military be needed to protect the supplies and police the top secret vaccine clinics (in a hollowed out volcano perhaps?), location only disclosed to officially registered vaccinees 5 minutes before the jabbing begins? So if the above is true, which they assure us that it is, why does the government need to resort to such pathetic tactics as celebrity endorsement?
Confusing, isn’t it.
Thanks for the replies, all.
I’m just wondering if enthusiasm in the public would fall away if, (and some polls are suggesting it), a lot of medical people in the NHS won’t take it.
I don’t want the vaccine early next year at all. However, I feel I’m going to have to have it, if I want to return to enjoying things that I enjoy doing. Although the government won’t/can’t make it mandatory, I think they will make it impossible to live a normal life without it. I anticipate that I will need proof of having the vaccine to enter a sports stadium, go to a gig, get on a plane, go to a hotel etc that’s without the possibility of pubs/restaurants requiring it, or even my place of work (I have a friend in Australia who’s employer in the travel industry (not Quantas), has said that it will be mandatory to have the vaccine before returning to the office).
He felt very RUFFFFF
“The Government and the Opposition, who believe in lockdown, will say that the fall in the number of confirmed cases, deaths and hospitalisations proves lockdown 2.0 was a success, regardless of the extra health costs associated with lockdowns.”
Yes, the BBC bastards were at it again at 07.00 hrs this morning (Monday 30nov20), claiming that the sodding lockdown was the reason for the drop in “cases”.
I nearly trod on my clock radio in sheer rage.
You did better than I, my clock would have been launched. May I suggest a different wake up call in the mornings? Would be better for your blood pressure.
“Covid infections in England fall by 30% over lockdown” – headline from BBC website
This interpretation poisons any debate with false assumptions – i.e. that these are infections not positive tests AND that the fall was happening anyway and cannot be attributed to the lockdown.
Is there any way of this being challenged so publicly that the correct interpretation is accepted?
It could be a major factor in determining how things go from here.
Even though the evidence shows most stats falling before Lockdown 2 started, or falling before it would’ve had any effect.
There is a link to this site on the top comment , however.
I was also a bit cross.
Turned off my clock radio alarm a while ago to avoid anger very first thing before getting up.
OK Boris, Matt, Chris, SAGE, Neil, Piers, et al. Simple one for you. I hear “if it saves one life” a lot so I’m going to give you a really simple task. Please give me the name of a person whose life has been saved by lockdown. Just one, that’s all I want. But I do need proof. Off you go.
Also, if the vaccine kills one life is it then not worth it?
We’ll supply proof of the lives lost because of lockdown – easy to do
The FUN part is that it isn’t even a matter of “false positives”…
In reality we just need to change the kit manufacturer (change “criteria”) and for the SAME SAMPLE we can have a “positive” and a “negative” at the same time!
How do you guys think Cristiano Ronaldo after 6 consecutive “positive” PCR in 4 days got his “negative” one and was playing soccer the next day?
One of my ‘friends’ has just changed their fb profile to this dodgy looking lot – anyone know anything about them? – https://www.mesopdx.org/
Looks like they are raising awareness for mesothelioma which would be fine except they’re now looking at Covid-19 too.
If they are following the ORDERS and OBEYING, they are nothing alternative!
Just reading their goals, they are a micro credit organisation. The organisations create small loans for communities unable to access bank credit. Normally due to no credit history. It had a large success in India when the movement grist started back about 10 years ago.
https://indiamicrofinance.com/micro-finance-micro-credit-debate-vandana-shiva-susan-davis/
Under the current MAIN SYSTEM and with all the programming embedded into modern umans thought processes, these experiments are doomed to fail.
Even if this can be turned around, I have to question whether the millions whose wilful ignorance and blind faith in authority has facilitated this dreadful year deserve anything other than the worst possible outcome. Such staggering levels of mediocrity cannot go unpunished.
How can they go 8 months locked in and not research any alternative facts??? There is plenty info out there and the sceptic argument is strong. It boggles my mind that folk get all their news from the MSM/ social media and waste away watching trash tv or debating football tactics.
Wait until they stop having access to those “modern commodities” and then the sheeple will start to baa baa
While the majority has food, water, WWW and house deliveries EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
How they can even watch football in empty stadiums is beyond me. I got 3 minutes into a game on tv and it was so patently soulless and pointless that I stopped and vowed never to watch another sporting event without spectators (not SD not masked) ever again.
I bet that the majority of the HERD OF MORONS will not stop wearing the muzzle and using alcohol and social distancing.
Once you believe in a GOD, that’s it!
And the JESTERS in office will never backtrack on this!
Have to agree with this one. There is no turning the tide on this. Those who think that this was a scamm from day one are a minority and the Church of Blessed Covid is the majority. There is no facts, graphs or articles you can show them, the faith is strong and the heresy will soon be outlawed. The society will split with wearing masks, vaccine , complete government control, health passes on one side an the sceptics who will not be able to protest, write, or say anything against the Almighty Covid or risk being DE platformed, sacked, sidelined, disgraced and soon arrested and shunned from society. This is where we are heading and there is NO turning back. It might have been in March , but now the forces have aligned . All we can do is to keep our course and resist at every turn.
This is exactly my point. The dystopian nightmare will be unbearable for the likes of us, but is what the collaborators truly deserve. Longevity is unimportant, all that matters is that we do not allow ourselves to be imprisoned for life.
Indeed… We just need to run on the outskirts of the HERD of modern moron sheeple! If they are running into a Cliff at the last moment we turn 90º and just watch the show.
They are our fellow citizens and we need to live with them – for our benefit as much as theirs. And they are victims of government propaganda and many people in positions of power and influence being complicit in it.
Certainly I find it hard to want to spend my remaining time on earth with them, but short of moving to some remote place we have to coexist.
I’m not excusing the laziness and gullibility, just don’t want to spend the rest of my life fuming with rage.
They have already been punished, they just don’t realise it yet.
If the worst comes to the worst we go down with the sinking ship. Some on here will not deserve this fate, but it will be unavoidable.
You don’t have to “fume with rage”… Just pretend!
I’m finding that my vindictiveness is increasing by the day. Any compassion I had for the ignorance, arrogance or blind faith disappeared some months ago.
Having spoken to my brother in law over the weekend and heard the following;
“Its really good that non of our family have been effected by this situation (either the virus or the economic impact). ReallyI’m the only one thats really been negatively impacted”.
This from a metropolitan urbanite, living it large in his Surrey home, getting paid furlough for 6 months while refurbishing his house and garden. Offered a reduction in wage to keep the business going or redundancy, finds an alternative job in tech and swans off from the company thats been funding his afternoon pims sessions. Full redundancy paid.
This bastard is wilfully ignoring any of the wider problems in society, doesn’t care that small businesses are being killed off by the hour. You can actually hear him loosing interest anytime you mention anything negative. These prats are living in a bubble and don’t want to hear anything which breaks their own narrative, let alone the government one.
I was speaking last Friday to a man who is professionally associated with NHS senior management and the Dept. of Health and Social Services. I usually keep my own counsel because I’m self employed and I have to occassionally ask him to pay me but he is very pro-lockdown/restrictions and one of those people who disinfects their shopping. He made a comment about never letting our guard down in this fight against the terrible virus so I responded by saying that as long as the woefully inaccurate PCR testing regime continues, the restrictions will never be lifted. His response to that was that false positives are not important as long as we ensure there are no false negatives.
I had to make an excuse and get away from him sharpish because I cannot afford to say what I wanted to say.
FFS!
He does! Just before the recent lockdown began, he and his wife got back from a trip to Morrisons with a car load of provisions and said they’d put the kettle on and make me a cup of tea after they’d sprayed all the grocery packaging. There really are people like this. He’s a very senior academic: retired but still working on contract to Govt. and NHS. I don’t really care if he wants to boil his shopping or boil his head but the notion that false positive PCR tests are somehow irrelevant is what troubles me because it’s only the false positives which are keeping this whole melodrama running.
As for the “2nd waffle”… Have a look at the data crossing the start of the influenza jab and the start of more “false positives”.
This is the data for my Plantation (Portróikal – former Portugal)
and
Amazing no wonder our GP has been pushing us to have the flu vaccine, which neither of us has ever had before!
About 99%* of GP are in it for the easy money… They don’t care about what happens to you.
*Probably being very naive not writing 100%!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/28/swedish-government-sidelines-epidemiologist-steered-countrys/
Anders Tegnell sidelined. They couldn’t have Sweden bucking the trend any longer.
Hmm. What are the actual facts behind the attention-grabbing headline? Is this just speculation and tittle-tattle – almost every story in the MSM about Sweden has been misleading.
That’s the main goal of Main Shit Media trash Sweden until the day they START OBEYING the ORDERS of the SRF & Billionaires.
I can’t actually get past the paywall and I refuse to fund any rag paper.
Why waste time reading shit?!
So that when people quote it at us we can explain in what way it is shit
Forewarned is forearmed.
Waste of time… If they are reading that shit you already know their thought process is screwed.
But let us know when that works out…
I have read numerous accounts of conversions to scepticism, and have experienced it first hand, and the change in the number of voices speaking out against lockdowns is testament to that.
Clearly a huge failure!!!
THEY need to destroy SWEDEN any way possible… Can’t have a stray sheep showing ALL the others that this is all a BIG SCAM and FRAUD!
I would love to see the actual data on Sweden because I suspect the politicians have waded in late in the day to try and claim credit for “beating” the virus when herd immunity has already done the job, a bit like the second lockdown lies to which we are being treated in the UK.
Data is here: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa/page/page_0/
As many commenters are pointing out, the data don’t support he narrative. Sweden has had no excess deaths for about five months, and looking at these data it seems like the “second wave” there has already peaked.
OK those may not be the best data, but these tell roughly the same story AFAICT.
So they have had a slight rise in “covid” deaths that is now dropping off. Looks like the politicians have got their timing just right to claim credit for “victory” over the virus which has been achieved by herd immunity.
I knew Sweden would fall. The global Covid Cabal is too powerful. A friendly faced Swedish ‘scientist’ on Twitter has been criticising lockdowns whilst perpetuating the pandemic narrative. So transparent
Even the most passionate lockdown supporter usually hates cronyism and corruption. If the media really takes up this issue (I suspect they won’t) surely Hancock will be forced to step down.
DISGRACE £30M Deal For Matt Hancock’s Pub Landlord – Jobs For The Boys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxlx1mvJZ24
The biggest hypocrites are the #FBPE mob who endlessly demonised Leave voters, blaming them for damaging the UK economy
The same #FBPE crowd who are calling for tougher locksdowns whilst businesses around them close their doors forever
Agree, many people virtue signal about supporting small businesses but quickly abandon them to Globalist Multinationals.
This morning on BBC Breakfast Nicola Sturgeon tacitly admitted that the lockdown measures are voluntary. She was asked about the relaxation of the restrictions over the Christmas period. She explained that the reason for the relaxation was because people would have ignored the restrictions and there would have been a free for all; rather than allow that to happen the governments of the United Kingdom had introduced the relaxations in order to put boundaries around what people did so it does not get out of hand.
She, like Boris, makes it up as she goes along. Yet…the majority of the sheep just accept it.
I’m trying to see how Nicola Sturgeon has been independent throughout. She could have followed Sweden’s example and protected the economy and allowed the Scots she loves so dearly the freedom to live their lives
Instead she’s followed the Great Reset blueprint like every other globalist – destroying Scotland’s economy and quality of life for millions, pushing some to suicide
But there is no need – the magic money tree at No11 Downing Street means that whatever decisions she makes are covered by the UK Government.
A fucking puppet, she could of come up smelling of roses if she didn’t lock down. Most of the plebs up here can’t see it
As a result of an earlier post I took a look at pro-Independence “Wings over Scotland.” Pretty scathing about her performance as FM. She may not survive until May’s elections because of the growing scandal of her attempt to fit up Alex Salmond.
I assume she’ll spin the line that she was forced into the 5 day relaxation “against our will”. So UKGov gets the blame again.
She’ll blame the UK Government. She always does this, and most Scots will, sadly, believe her. Rinse and repeat.
And questions are starting to be asked as to how successful she has been in relation to her stupid covid strategy.
I just got an email from the Recovery campaign suggesting I write to my MP in advance of the vote and at the bottom of their suggested list of points to make I found the below, which caught my eye. I don’t know why they have not been shouting this from the rooftops. Polling that shows the government doesn’t have the support they like to think/claim could be a powerful tool.
POLLING DETAILS:
Independent polling by Yonder for Recovery on 25-26 November found that 77% of UK adults (three out of four people) support the Five Reasonable Demands with just 3% opposed.
An independent Yonder poll for Recovery on 11-12 November found that over 53% of those who expressed an opinion agreed with the statement that ‘SAGE should be urgently reviewed in the light of its recent performance.’
Results were based on a representative sample of 1,762 adults in England drawn from a panel of 200,000 UK adults.
Wish I could get past the Times paywall to read this provocative piece from The Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kent-the-garden-of-england-in-tier-3-this-can-only-end-in-class-war-s63npprp7
Found some quotes from KentOnline which absolutely cracked me up:
“Last week the county of Kent was placed bodily in tier 3, all because the ghastly virus-addled plebs in Thanet can’t stop breathing over one another as they swallow jellied eels in some dilapidated phlegm-strewn seaside slum.
“Does the government not understand that we in proper Kent have nothing in common with those awful people? It’s not as if we ever see them for God’s sake.
“We are clean, decent Christian people, not ill bred, filth bedecked urchins who got the hell out of London because people even poorer than them and of a different colour had moved in.”
“Does the government not understand that we in proper Kent have nothing in common with those awful people? It’s not as if we ever see them, for God’s sake. Thanet and bloody Faversham are not what Julius Caesar was referring to when he described Cantium as the home of our island’s most civilised people. A night out in Margate would have disabused the bloke of that pretty quickly.”
LOL
Click the reload button on browser and mash the escape key a few times, you can get past the pay wall probably.
Sadly didn’t work for me.
Shame as it’s so scandalous and controversial with some great language from what I’ve seen, made me laugh – bit evil but I’m a sucker for this sort of trolling sometimes!
Article in the Critic:-
https://thecritic.co.uk/a-day-in-the-life-of-the-covid-physician/
Ooo. I got a Facebook fact check from sharing the Dr Robert Hodkinson video. Silly me not paying attention to the science again.
If only we could organise to get Facebook users to migrate to BitChute or BrandNewTube. How many would do it?
Who owns BitChute and BrandNewTube?
Don’t know. They’re an alternative to Youtube and they don’t censor madly like them. I suppose I really meant there should be an alternative equivalent to Facebook who are laughably (?) censorious and “fact checking”.
I’m trying to share some sceptic scientist based material with my mainstream friend group so even if I moved to a different platform, my target audience would not.
Nicola Turdgeon’s parents must be delighted, imagine having to spend Christmas Day with that twat
except satan doesn’t celebrate christmas
BBC are interrupting the snooker today to bring us her conference speech. UK wide I believe. So a total party political broadcast even more so than the daily updates.
Bit like the Soviet
“Are ye awright oor at that windae, Maw?”
“It’s a bit bit cauld, hen, tae tell ye the truth! Can ah no shut it a bit?”
“Well, it’s fir yer ain good, Maw. Well, naw, it’s actually fir ma ain good. Kin ye imagine the papers if ah killed ma ain maw wi’ the Covid? They’d be aw oor me. Da, open that windae a wee tad mair, and let aw that Covid oot!”
“Mair totties, Maw, tae help waarm ye up? Mind ye use yer ain spoon, noo!”
Just read this in the DT:
“Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said she will not have an “indoor Christmas dinner” with her parents this year due to the coronavirus pandemic.
She told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Normally, Christmas, my husband and I would have both our families here in our own home. We will not be doing that this year.
“I’ve not seen my parents since July and I would dearly love to see them today and at Christmas, but I don’t want to put them at risk when a vaccine is so close.
“We might go and have a family walk somewhere, but the idea … of an indoors Christmas dinner is something we will not do this year.””
Sturgeon is truly a sociopath!
A narcissistic sociopath, as some have observed.
Please note. Turdgeon’s parents have made no attempt to contact her
Think I would have kept that to myself Nicola
1.2 million people voted for SNP. That they did so is their shame and not ours. Hope it pisses down on Christmas Day and it’s freezing. That will hell wee Nicola’s aged parents no end.
Well, it is Scotland in December. So, it probably will be pissing it down and freezing! The difference this year to all previous years is that people won’t be able to go out and enjoy themselves to overcome that for Hogmanay.
To any Scottish people on this site – sorry about the weather comment ;-). Also, I went to Hogmanay a couple of years ago in Edinburgh and loved it. Definitely my best ever new years.
Don’t be, Ken, it’s true.
We visit the wife’s mother in Central Scotland twice a year and the skies are always grey for the whole period. My wife says that’s just because I have to visit her mother, and it’s all in my head; I know different.
Hogmanay is shit and it’s even worse now we have to put up with all these bloody tourists. Why can’t they fuck off someplace else and leave us in peace?
Does anyone know the number of ‘flu cases and deaths vs CV-19 cases and deaths this year?
https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=7
It’s a COVIDIUS Miracle… Many more will follow!
Thanks!
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports – it’s disappeared…
Well when you aren’t doing a lot of testing for it when there was a surge in respiratory conditions, it’s not surprising.
NOTHING CAN STOP THE CHARIOT of the Secular Ruling Families and Billionaires…
specially NOT a herd of modern moron slaves!
troll
I’m not especially fond of most of Voz 0db posts, and find the references to moron slaves a bit wearing, but he/she seems pretty anti-lockdown, just with very firm views on the agenda behind it and a rather aggressive way of expressing them. But not sure that calling he/she a troll is accurate.
Just seems like a troublemaker to me.
The troublemakers are in parliament. If everyone thought like Voz we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Funny… but we the FEW are fucked.
Yes moron slave be a good boy and obey…
Do you think you are a “free human”?!
I used to be freer than I am now. Prior to the Coronapanic I was as free as I felt I needed to be, and thought the tradeoffs between freedom and security and the benefits that living in society brings were reasonable and not based on flat-out lies. Doubtless you’ll tell me that was foolish.
By all means paint us a picture of what freedom looks like.
No, that’s not foolishness. That is just the description of a regular modern Plantation. We enjoy that current trade off, especially if we’re most of the time on the receiving part.
For me freedom equals to absolute responsibility.
In our current state we are not allowed to be Responsible. If you even try to live such a Life the herd will pursue you and if necessary the “society” is ready to end your existence if it feels threatened by you.
Hello moron slave!
What are you afraid of?
As Robin Tillbrook said was it panic or planning It has now come out that the Government entered into the largest advertising deal ever entered into by a British Government. This was signed off on the 2nd March and was to manage the Government’s communications strategy to sell Lockdown to the public. How long before was the contracting process going on.
I’ve tried to tell the dozing people this, it has all been planned. They are all in on it.
Most people can’t be bothered to listen, they are focused on following the rules to get back to normal………
It’s a strange land where all the honest, decent hard working people are criminals, and corrupt lying thieves make the laws
There you go Dido working on the HealthID
Very worrying. Do not comply with this stuff ever. It is a large part of the armory to control
Well, she’s going to have to some.
I’ve been looking at the download numbers for ‘the app’, and as far as Google Play (Android phones) is concerned, it’s not looking too great.
Google Play recorded 5 million downloads in the first couple of days after the September 24th launch. 9 weeks later, it’s still showing 5 million + downloads, so it’s yet to hit 10 million for Android phones (the next landmark Google reports).
The last time I heard Handjob report on the app, he claimed there had been 19 million downloads, and that was a few weeks ago. There would have to have been a shitload of downloads on iPhones to make up the 19 million he claimed. (Apple don’t publish download figures, so difficult to get numbers.)
I doubt the uptake of the app is what they claim it is.
I do wonder if lockdown is our punishment for not downloading the shite
That’s the purpose of lockdown – so we surrender
Woah, this is just a conspiracy theory right?
If there’s one good thing in that article, it’s this:
Has she got shares in the technology? I just wonder
That’s not good – glad it doesn’t work on my old iPhone – buggered if I’m gonna get a new one for that crap!
Given the current madness is being policed in an increasingly Authoritarian manner, by people who will one day no doubt declare that they were only following orders, I’m reminded of the words of Dr Robert M. Kaplan, writing on the ‘Nuremberg Defence’:
“the routine response of morally attrophied nonentities”.
A handful of evil politicians have no power on their own. It’s the foot soldiers who enact the evil
The phenomenon of covid-19 has had virtually zero impact on US mortality, although some extra deaths due to lockdown measures, social isolation and unnecessary intubation have occurred.
Deaths were simply reclassified.
Table courtesy of Genevieve Briand.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
I am still perplexed by this. According to CDC figures, all-cause mortality in the US showed a notable increase this year as compared to 5-year average – similar to the UK.
As of mid-November the US is on track for an approximately 1.3% increase in mortality over 2019, similar to the 2019 increase over 2018.
A result of increasing average age, combined with deteroirating social and economic conditions.
All cause mortality will, in my opinion, now start to increase as missed or postponed cancer screenings and operations, social isolation and economic dislocation begin to take their inevitable toll.
Do you have a source for those figures please?
The fact that the US is currently in a period of quite sharply increasing deaths, year on year, is highlighted here:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
Note that that is the death rate – the numbers are compounded by the fact that the population is also growing.
So there is an issue of whether “excess death” figures have accounted for that “baked in” increase or not.
Of course, it’s tedious to comparatively analyse partial year figures, so it will be easier to judge once we have the full year figures.
Somebody posted a graph on here the other day, where it shows excess deaths in the US is just over 11 K more than in a normal year.
I think that was the Johns Hopkins report by Genevieve Briand, from which the table referenced in the post above came, wasn’t it?
Scotland had many more deaths and cases compared to Sweden even with strict lockdown measures. Still need to hear that from MSM
Good discussion of death stats from 24th Nov by Joel Smalley. Presumably this will have been posted here somewhere, but if so I missed it:
COVID 19 Summary 24th Nov
https://youtu.be/qVTkARKFkZc
New York pushed back on religious ceremonies being restricted.
At last there seems to be an actual majority on the US Supreme Court who are committed to applying the law and the constitution as written/intended rather than reinterpreting it according to their perception of the latest thinking. No point in having a constitution if it’s not frozen/difficult to change.
Keir Starmer to hold talks with Whitty on the tier system.
Labour to continue supporting the Lockdown and fascism then.
If there are ever elections again – I shall never vote Labour.
Labour to press for tier 4 more like
Funny how when someone complains about a climate of fear that makes it extremely difficult for people with dissenting viewpoints to voice their opinions, the left seeks to prove them wrong that no such climate of fear exists by creating a climate of fear that makes it extremely difficult for people with dissenting viewpoints to voice their opinion.
Can someone please explain how case numbers are going down now if this is a pure false positive epidemic? Testing is continuing to go up, not down, so if this is all false positive driven it should continue to rise. I don’t believe this is addressed in this post.
A very simplistic explanation (which may not be true at all) is this:
False positives come not only from a test being contaminated. It can also come from detecting virus debris left after the immune system shreds the virus to bits. As time goes on, there is less virus present in the population, therefore less virus to be shredded by immune systems, therefore less false positives. So you’re still getting some, but the number is going down.
It could also be that, if false positives come from lab contamination, the labs are getting cleaner and cleaner as less virus comes in.
It can be helpful to distinguish between “false positives” (no viral material present in person), “cold positives” (viral fragments, no symptoms, not infectious) and “lukewarm positives” (active virus, low load, no symptoms, not infectious).
The first category encompasses any number of processing and environmental issues; the latter two assume correct testing but the positive result is not actually meaningful in a personal or public health context.
They might have ordered the labs to use fewer cycles. It is easy to manipulate the “data” by various methods.
An excellent explanation, thank you.
And that just so happens to coincide exactly with lockdown? Come on that’s a bit of a coincidence and I don’t believe this is a conspiracy to somehow manupulate the false positives to show lockdown works either.
Occam’s razor would say that cases rose because it’s winter. They then plateued because they reached a critical mass and have now declined (and it’s not at all clear how much of that if any is due to lockdown).
I think it’s best to look at numbers of people dying or in ICU for any cause, and see if that’s roughly normal for this time of year
That’s not entirely representative, as this is far from a normal year, any way you look at it.
I don’t know, maybe they’re testing at the correct amount of cycles as opposed to the fraud inducing amount previously? Or, maybe these numbers weren’t plucked out of their arses? Give your phone or laptop a sniff. That test is usually bang on.
See Wales is going to be banged up again, it would be safer to bang up the instigators of this madness.
Today, the government is supposed to be publishing a cost benefit analysis of the lockdown responses to the virus. It ought not to need mentioning but surely this should have been done before the government introduced its lockdown measures on 23 March 2020. The fact that the government did not do so was a scandal. But a much greater scandal was that it had not made any attempt to assess even how made people would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures. This was admitted by Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, on 10 April 2020 at the Coronavirus Daily Update. The fact that the government is now (as a result of backbench Tories threatening a rebellion) prepared to publish an analysis should not be seen as an improvement because it is highly likely that the assessment is being written to justify the policy: such assessments should be made before the policy, not months later.
I have just pointed out to my MP in my latest email (not that she’ll read it or take any notice) that releasing whatever poor excuse for an analysis they spew out less than 48 hours before the vote is outrageous and should not be accepted by MPs. The intention is surely to limit any scrutiny and prevent MPs taking advice from other sources about the content which is something they must do if they have learned any lessons at all over the last 9 months.
I also assured her that if MPs are threatened that we revert to full lockdown if the tiers aren’t voted through, this is still the right choice. There is no defence for accepting a few crumbs of comfort on behalf of constituents in place of a proportionate, long-term strategy that reflects facts not fear. I expect her to vote with the Government. She makes sceptical noises but always caves in the end.
I’m going to predict that this cost benefit analysis, if it is indeed produced, will be deemed “not in the public interest”, just like the report on grooming gangs.
Daily Mail: NHS worker who resigned after claiming ‘Covid is a hoax’ films herself going to ’empty’ London A&E.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8998537/NHS-worker-resigned-claiming-Covid-hoax-films-going-London-E.html
I’m surprised more hasn’t been done like this
British people are reluctant to rock the boat too much, from what i’ve seen.
Consistent with this 30 minute podcast of four empty hospitals in Belfast, including A&E Departments with doors locked to outside clients.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLmZzu7s25s&feature=emb_logo
I’ve just sent my Tory MP the following email. It will do no good as she’ll slavishly follow “Boris”. But I’ve angled it to encourage her to think she might be able to ‘save’ him.
Credit to someone called lazarus10 on Going Postal for this one
I was going to tell everyone a joke about Covid-19. But I’m not going to since 99.9% of you won’t get it.
(Mock) “groan!”
Lol – I’m a bit of a saddo I’ll use that one!
In the past couple of weeks there has been yet another suspicious piece of data mis-management by the Government. For weeks now they have published weekly data on the Test and Trace system, including the number of positive tests in the various Pillars. For the past couple of releases they have not included the data relating to the number of positive results in each.
This development seems to fit in well with Dr. Yeadon’s treatise today.
For background the NHS explains each Pillar thus:
(my highlight).
One could be forgiven therefore, for assuming that since Pillar 1 tests are conducted on those with clinical need there would most likely be a higher percentage of positives results than in Pillar 2, which would approximate more closely to the general population. Although it is likely that those suspecting that they are infected would be more likely to seek a test so would probably have a higher propensity to be infected than the general population and certainly more fearful of the relatively benign pathogen.
This assumption, however, has not been borne out by the data. Throughout the mass testing programme the proportion of positive results in Pillar 2 has been twice that of Pillar 1, reaching a staggering 11.6% in late September and 10
9% in October. Immediately after this 10.9% of positive Pillar 2 results (against 4.8% of Pillar 1 for the same period – week ending 28the October) the release of this breakdown of results has ceased.
Could this reduction in the data release be due to chronic contamination that that Dr. Yeadon speculates on today?
I am not certain but it seems highly likely and a further datum undermining the veracity of the Government and SAGE’s stance throughout this fiasco.
It might be worth contemplating one other possible inference of the the high Pillar 2 results. If these laboratories are NOT contaminated and the test results not useless, then they might betaken at face value, as in fact the Government are doing for they are formulating policy on their basis.
This would imply, would it not that circa 10% of the population were infected at any one time, which is worth further consideration. It is widely reported that this virus is infectious for a period of less than 14 days, even if R were only 1, this would imply that the entire country would have been infected in 18 weeks. (Yes, I know this is fanciful, I am not suggesting that it is reality).
This could not occur, for long before that eventuality the blocking of infection pathways would occur and herd immunity would become dominant force, which even without the prior immunity discussed by Dr. Yeadon, would imply that the Great Plague is not more, if it ever was. But what it does imply is that the either there is no longer an epidemic worthy of the name, at worst the virus is now endemic, or the information on which this Government are imprisoning the population, destroying the economy and spending staggering sums of money, is based almost entirely on false and misleading data.
The remaining question is why? The best case it is because John-Son, Wancock, are highly educated but profoundly unintelligent, while Whiltless and Valuless are just currying favour in the hope of career advancement. If this is not true then the situation is very much worse for these people are deliberately destroying the economy, jobs, futures and lives – killing many thousands, deliberately. That would be entirely unforgivable.
PS – Please forgive the, no doubt numerous typos herein, I am writing it on a small iPhone which makes it difficult to efficiently proof.
Yes, I think you’re on to something. They surely can’t have it both ways on these “case” numbers.
Just a point of information. I think technically, the Pillar 2 tests were for people with symptoms. The criteria were:
“You can only get a free NHS test if at least one of the following applies:
PHE’s own research showed that many, many people lied about having symptoms to get a test – and surely more in reality than actually admitted to it when asked. Dido Harding reported this fact at a SciTech Committee hearing. Since September many parents will have felt they had not choice but to invent symptoms to get their children a test since schools have demanded it before they let them back.
Councils, including my own, have now advised people to go for a test if they have ‘precautionary symptoms’ including sore throat, sneezing, headaches, aches and pains and diarrhea in children.
I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest!
Yes, I take your point. I believe that in September / October many students (possibly tens of thousands) took Pillar 2 tests, many of whom did not have symptoms. I tried to get information about how these tests were initiated from the University of Northumbria and Newcastle City Council through FOI requests, but these were not successful.
and when you look at the set up and the staffing of the drive in test centres one would not think anyone gets turned away. Do we know the process for these. ?
Chris, the full data is still there; the data table is here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938530/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w25.ods
I’ve shown a tidied up version below for easier reading.
Thanks Ceriain,
Unfortunately, I cannot open those files they appear to be ‘Zip’ that my Mac won’t open
Ceriain,
I have tried on a PC and that appears to work. Thank you, that link is much appreciated.
Lockdown love diagnosed: “There are quite a number of prisoners who prefer life in prison to life outside: Prison obviates the need to make decisions, and choice for some people is distinctly discomfiting. They want others to make all the decisions for them, even in the smallest matters.”
by the ever sound Theodore Dalrymple, here: the-decline-of-cultural-understanding
I love his work but he’s been a massive disappointment on covid.
One of the strongest protections for ordinary folk has always been the sheer cost of monitoring people and gathering data about them. There are in practice very few controls on what the security state can do if it chooses (the supposed protections only operate when there is sufficient lack of elite dislike for the victims to make politicians, police, lawyers, media types and “human rights” workers actually do their jobs for them), the real protection for most of us is that it is highly unlikely any of the very few people with access to the security state’s resources will take any particular interest in us as individuals.
Technology, however, is rapidly reducing the cost of such monitoring.
That’s an issue on the macro level, because it is probably no longer true that a totalitarian state like East Germany would “run out of people to spy on the others”. But it’s also a concern for us as individuals, on the micro level, right here and right now.
The kinds of monitoring powers and levels of information that would formerly have required a national government level security operation, or at least a high level police investigation, to deploy and collect are now coming into reach for the petty scumbags of local government. The scope for over-zealous enforcement of petty rules, harassment of individuals for petty political or personal vendettas or rivalries, or just plain nosiness, is increasing year by year.
Consider the prospect of your local council apparatchiks having full information on your private life. Get used to the idea.
The Covid data spies paid to know ALL your secrets: Town halls harvest millions of highly personal details including if you’re being unfaithful or having unsafe sex
By TOM KELLY FOR THE MAIL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT
PUBLISHED: 22:01, 27 November 2020 | UPDATED: 02:14, 28 November 2020
Indeed. You just have to look at how AI is used in censorship.
Just taking the idea of mass emails to our MPs further, what do you think of us playing psychops back at the Government.
What I mean is a mass of emails to MPs with very slim majorities the thinking being, so what if they’re not our own MP – that only obliges them to respond but we’re not asking them to respond. We’re just telling them that the peasants are revolting and that if they vote in parliament tomorrow for the new measures, it will decimate livelihoods but we, the electorate will not forget that both Conservative and Labour together have done this and they should be under no illusion that if they destroy the jobs of others, don’t expect to keep your seat. The decimation of the Labour party in Scotland and in the red wall should be a salutary lesson to ALL sitting MPs.
Might make them think …..
Here’s a list of all the constituencies with the narrowest majorities. It’s from the Independent but they didn’t list the actual MP but that’s easy enough to find)
Here’s what I sent to mine this morning. Safe seat but for how much longer?
We are writing to express our strong desire that you vote against the introduction of the Tier system when it is put before Parliament this week. For Wetherby, Boston Spa, Clifford and Bramham to be in Tier 3 is ludicrous and nothing less than continued lockdown. It is apparent from the data that the Leeds hotspots are in the inner city, hospital and University wards, ten or more miles away. The outlying rural areas have more in common with North Yorkshire than Harehills and we should not be forced to suffer by dint of who collects our bins.
As a member of the 1922 Committee, you should know that Boris Johnson has lost the support of huge swathes of the country and is on borrowed time. His ineptitude, indecisiveness and intellectual limitations in critically analysing the scenarios and data put to him by scientists have been exposed for all to see. He appears to be a hostage to SAGE suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Do not be tarnished by association with him. Do you want to be remembered as the MP who threw his area under the bus? Because believe me, you will be.
It is time for the economic costs of lockdown to be balanced with the advice of SAGE, which by its nature has tunnel vision. The cure is now much worse than the disease, which for those under the average age of death in this country has a better than 99.7% survival rate. We cannot continue to sacrifice the economy in order to “protect” the NHS. We know from what we see around us that the NHS is not ”overwhelmed” and that Covid cases have simply displaced those for flu and pneumonia in a relatively bad year. The NHS exists to serve those who pay for it, and any suggestion that we “protect” it is ridiculous.
We need our local businesses, our pubs and restaurants to be open. They were careful and did not cause the so-called second wave, the data clearly shows that this dates from the necessary re-opening of schools and universities. Which was fine, because young people do not die of Covid any more than they would from flu. Cases identified by the increasingly unreliable PCR tests are not deadly infections. People should be allowed to assess their own risk and proceed accordingly.
I have not mentioned long term mental health issues, people living in fear, single people denied a social life or human contact, the joy that has been sucked out of our existence by bans on singing, dancing, sport, worship. The Taliban could not have done a better job.
All we ask, Alec, is that you show some backbone and represent the interests of your own constituents, not your lame-duck party leader. We are all watching and we will remember what you did.
Great letter!
I’m in Coventry North West. The MP is a 55 IQ moron.
From the Express and Star (Wolverhampton): All black country tory mp’s back new lockdown.
Hang your heads in shame, you bootlicking creeps!
Er….is that Black Country MPs, or ethnically black, countryside MPs?
The 1st (assorted ethnicities).
I can`t believe The Guardian is crowing that Nottingham University is “fast tracking” the student party goers to “exclusion”.
Defund this madness – do not pay for substandard zoom education and well done those students for having party time !
Because the Guardian editors, managers and writers, by and large, are arrogant, bullying, authoritarian fanatic scum.
Hadn’t you noticed that already? It’s not a new phenomenon.
I’m embarrassed to admit it was relatively recently I discovered that “it” was only able to continue publication because of the trust type of funding model it enjoys and despite bugger all sales, is able to continue publishing all the BS and lies that it does.
They are heavily linked into the security services and are heavily invested in the establishment.
The Guardian is letting its inner fascist show.
I don’t think it’s particularly inner – they are pretty much wearing their fascism with pride
As we say in Somerset, scratch a hippy find a fascist.
Wise words
Pretty much the conclusion of Joan Didion’s essay, Slouching Towards Bethlehem. Online too.
Lol!
Are you supposed to get that close to them now?
A good sense of smell has caused me to avoid wherever possible!
I’ve posted on the recent history of the Guardian before – it really is worth looking at the way in which a once genuinely independent newspaper was corrupted – to the extent of losing any credibility in terms of its reporting, and joining the rest of the media.
Well, the National Union of Students should be all over this legally.
https://data.spectator.co.uk/city/nhs
Hardly what the media would lead people to believe is it.
A tune needed me thinks –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY
Quick survey. How many of these “15 signs you are in an abusive relationship” apply to your relationship with the government (or that of those people under their spell)? Very sinister! Apologies if this is triggering for anyone. You have the power to break free… trust those of us who have survived.
“The police would surely be more reluctant to start brutalising a large crowd of peaceful carol singers. Even our media would struggle to present that as a proportionate response. ”
Want to bet? They’d ignore the Carol-singing bit, or portray it as another means of spreading the virus, and arrest people just the same. They’d spin it negatively somehow, but maybe it’s something worth trying. Wear Xmas-themed clothing…or better yet, wear BLM t-shirts….
Has anyone seen this?
https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/
Is it part of the evidence for Reiner Fuellmich’s prosecution? Note international authors, inc M Yeadon and C Craig
It’s going into their case and one other I believe in Netherlands
Can the police fine English shoppers, for shopping in Wales, is this even legal, are they making ‘laws’ up as they go along
Who knows. The police certainly won’t know, that’s certain.
It’s still contrary to Welsh coronavirus laws to cross the border from England unless deemed ‘essential travel’. So, technically, anyone crossing the border to shop in Wales could find themselves challenged and fined by the police.
I did it armed with a welshpool poscode even though I live in Telford….went in a nice cafe and hotel.
I must admit I can’t help thinking that there is a definite ‘Brexit’ feel to this whole madness. By that I mean that I find on a day to day basis the people I have to deal with are for the most part pro-lockdown, full blown covid converts, each one of which spout the party line without a thought that their view may not be the only view.
I also find that people who may well be sceptical are biting their tongue (myself included – sometimes) to avoid causing trouble or getting ridiculed. Where I’ve come across likeminded people it has felt almost as if we need to hide away or speak in hushed tones to avoid triggering the people around us (matrix type situation – the system knows).
The closest to this I’ve ever felt before was the Brexit vote. Once again, I found the remainers were more than happy to shout about their vote and opinions, but brexiteers were pretty much keeping their head down and trying to get on with life.
I know its probably been discussed previously but does anyone else find a correlation with the types of people (obviously not all)?
I started out assuming that coronapanic scepticism would be heavily correlated with euroscepticism. But there are a lot of remainers or former remainers here, who strongly argued the contrary and when I investigated for myself a couple of months back, I found there was some polling info and analysis that suggested there was a very slight tendency that way, but not really all that significant.
But the similarity of “feel” is definitely the case. Probably to do with the intensity of feeling, and the kind of people you talk to regularly, along with the fact that people espousing the elite received opinion (which is definitely coronapanic, as it was definitely remain) tend to be louder because they think “everyone who is anyone” agrees with them, and only uneducated louts, thickos and troublemakers could disagree.
Hopefully, they are as wrong on that in regard to the coronapanic as remainers proved to be on Brexit.
Very much so, generally: the zealots are the kind who can’t countenance the idea that anyone could think differently to them, and that people that do are worthy only of contempt. Just as it was with the Brexit vote.
Round here, a majority Leave-area, I do know plenty of older people who voted for Brexit who are not the kind of lockdown zealot you find among the professional middle class, but who have been scared stiff of catching it by the government so are staying in. Which is not quite the same thing.
There are many parallels. Not least the clear and constant media bias. I discuss this with my foreign colleagues quite regularly. Yes, they’re having to deal with covidbollocks like all of us, but at least they aren’t doing it off the back of four years or brexit bollocks.
I do think a lot of people here in the UK are very mindful, whichever “side” they were originally on during Brexit, of the similarity of feel that someone is trying to force them to accept something they don’t want and are using dirty tricks to try to get them to comply.
The thing I, and I think many others, find weird is that someone who we thought (BJ) was at least a libertarian and despite reservations about his um…intelligence at least wouldn’t be forced into this crap.
As you say, media has much to do with the incessant lying narrative many sheeple fall into believing.
I think I agree but there are some among us brave enough to speak up. I tend to put out feelers and if there is a sensible response I will start to engage. If it’s the “if only everybody complied, we’d be out if this nonsense” reposted then I’m afraid I don’t out myself. They are impervious anyway.
I assume you are not suggesting this splits down Brexit lines because I think we see on here people from all political views can be sceptical.
No not suggesting that. Just can’t shake the parallels with the interactions. I’m finding that quite odd.
Not so much the types of people, sceptics come from both sides of the Brexit debate, but the same kind of attitude from both sceptics and leavers. Not too surprising realy, considering the relentless bombardment of propaganda in the media. In both cases the propaganda labels the other side as nasty, horrible, uncaring people and so makes you not want to reveal your opinions and risk facing the barrage of vitriol that can result.
“sceptics come from both sides of the Brexit debate”
Very much so. The two are unrelated, and major difference is that, whilst the media was overall pro-Brexit, in this situation, it’s pro-Covid.
The balance was also very different : Brexit, even with a propaganda tilt in favour, never commanded a significant majority of the electorate; it is pretty clear that Covid does – sadly.
man you talk some shite but for you to claim the media was pro brexit is the dumbest shit you’ve posted yet. holy fuvking shit batman
I do know what you mean and I think more people who don’t agree with the current madness must speak up rather than keeping their heads down. Whether they will is another thing……
Hopefully it won’t take as long to end!
God help us all if it does.
“but brexiteers were pretty much keeping their head down and trying to get on with life.”
Not my experience at all, given that the majority of the press were shouting Brexit slogans.
However, I do believe Brexit has something to do with this as a No Deal Brexit is going to be disastrous for the country. Part of this is a smokescreen to veer some attention away from what a mess this Government are making of Brexit.
Even if it was disastrous it will pail into insignificance compared to this disaster!
Praise Be! Scotch Egg counts as a substantial meal. The Tiering system was a bit of a worry to me, but now I’m reassured about its sense and proportionality.
Btw.. who is that Twat in the Noddy hat and face nappy? No way could it be the leader of a major nation.
Who would have predicted a year ago that a Minister for Vaccines would be appointed.
The world gets more and more peculiar by the day!
Correction will be on its way . Misspoke etc
An historian friend of mine was questioning the tactics of the demonstrators on Saturday
He talked about Heinz Guderian and the principles of Blitzkrieg, but also the hit and run tactics of guerilla warfare
He pointed out that the basic principal of Blitzkreig is the concentration of all your available resources at the enemies weakest point
He said disorgansied groups going up against well drilled TSG units on their own patch and getting picked off one by one is not the best use of resources
What would happen he asked if say 50 demonstrators who were not identifiable as demonstrators masked up (because it’s the law to wear a mask) and arrived in a supermarket one by one
He said what if the demonstrators all filled up their trollies and all left without paying at the same time
I said they would get arrested
He said no they wouldn’t. He said it would been unlikely that even one police officer would be on duty locally
He pointed out it would be impossible to identify them retrospectively as they were masked up, and the police don’t have the resources anyway
He asked what if this was done at 100 locations in the the suburbs of London at the same time, and then in a different city the following week
I said what he was suggesting was wrong and illegal and I would not advocate such a thing
He said yes it would be illegal but he was just theorising and he certainly wasn’t a advocating that course of action as he agreed it would be illegal
Yes – it did occur to me that the best tactic for protests would not be to have 10,000 people in one place, but to have 1000 people in 10 different places. Tie this in to disruptive measures. One option might be for a number of protesters to buy, with cash, wearing masks, some cheap beat up cars from dealers in London and then simply abandon them at strategic positions on main roads throughout the city on the day of the protests.The resulting traffic chaos would both pull in police resources, and slow down the movement of the meat wagons as they tried to contain the separate protests across the city. Massive disruption of the function of the city, stretching police resources etc. Of course this would be illegal and so I wouldn’t recommend – its a projection, rather than a recommendation
10 massed choirs singing carols at strategic locations. Singing ability not required but desire to make a noise essential. Some might even sing alternative words, many have been posted on this site. (Toby should do a songbook).
Anything disruptive that doesn’t directly hurt people would work. If it’s done with good humour even better. A Fabian approach is the best answer to overwhelming force.
Illegality cannot really be regarded as an issue any more – once protest itself is made illegal, as they have done on the coronapanic, legality becomes irrelevant. The question now is only “is it wrongful” and”is it proportionate”, as, for instance, violence against innocents would be both wrongful and disproportionate.
Of course, if your intent was an “I would never suggest it because that would be illegal (wink, wink), then fine…..
If they left without taking the trolleys with them, simultaneously leaving their fifty full trolleys at the now overwhelmed checkout queues and aisles, it wouldn’t be illegal. Just fifty people individually and independently changing their minds at the exact same moment.
Should do it at Tesco’s to pay them back for their terrible Christmas ads.
And that would be just desserts for the executives! However, they only people this would piss off would be other shoppers and the staff who are not responsible for crazy regs or adverts so I’m not sure that it would really strike much of a blow for freeom.
Not trying to put a downer on it, but your idea would simply inconvenience the supermarkets. It would be their employees that had to empty the trollies and either re-stock the shelves or have the contents destroyed. I don’t know about you, but my little local Tesco staff have been extremely helpful and lovely throughout this nonsense, and I wouldn’t want to put this sort of thing on them; I’m sure they’ve all got their own personal situations to worry about.
Surely it’s the state and those who operate on behalf of the state that you want to target?
It’s probably best to view the example as a sort of template rather than a specific suggestion? For example, one might imagine ways that the underlying concept could be targeted at testing, at MPs, at infrastructural aspects of lockdown enforcement, and so on.
Not particularly recommending it; just observing what the more useful lesson behind the idea might be.
Given people have been locked up, denied healthcare and been continuously psychologically attacked for the best part of a year I certainly think that we are beyond what is lawful already.
I attended on Saturday and have since had a couple of thoughts about the tactics used.
In the first instance, confusing the police by changing the venue from Kings X to Marble Arch worked well, but i suspect it pissed them off quite a bit and made them more likley to seek confrontation.
Whilst walking around Regent Street and the environs, I noticed a lot of parked up police minibuses which they obviously use to move officers from one location to another at speed. Many of these were empty, or with just a lone driver playing on his/her phone. Disabling the vehicle by say letting the tyres down would have severely impacted their ability to respond to the movements of the protesters. This is obviously a risk for those doing it as it would incur significantly higher penalties if caught and arrested.
Finally, as the march effectively occupied a large swathe of Oxford Street, why not just stop there and have a static protest? It would have prevented the splintering of the protestors and avoided the kettling that led to many of the arrests. Even going so far as quieting the protest to near silence and perhaps using some of the younger female members to offer flowers to the riot police would have had the effect of drawing the sting out of the police. Would Cressida Dick and Priti Patel have liked to wake up on Sunday morning to pictures and video of burly riot police swiping aside bunches of flowers being offered to them in peace and throwing young (or even older) women to the floor?
Demonstrators need to change tactics, that is now obvious. The thugs have got an action plan that works. Arrest the leaders, pick off the stragglers.
So start by making yourselves less easy to identify.
Demonstrators are obvious, as they are not masked. Plod can use facial recognition to track leaders etc. So an obvious change in tactics is for people to wear masks and confuse the thugs. Not normal masks but masks with holes for breathing through, so not immediately obvious. Best to use pale coloured disposables so slits not so obvious. Mask plus tinted glasses makes facial recognition much more difficult, I would guess.
Next, wear headgear. And change it several times during the march. Start with a blue one, then a green, then a yellow. Stuff spare hats in pockets and change regularly. Plod will lose track of who is who quite quickly.
Think like a Russian agent in one of John le Carre’s stories!
Drakeford has just banned the sale of alcohol in pubs and restaurants in Wales. The Left is loving this!
Nanny state authoritarianism has gone mad. I bet they never go back to ‘old normal’, they will come out with some propaganda on the health benefits to the nation to continue some restrictions.
“The Left is loving this!”
Not half as much as the instigators on the right who are making the money!
Wales’s turn for a renewed shafting:
Pubs, bars, restaurants and cafes in Wales will be forced to stop selling alcohol and to shut by 6pm in a new round of restrictions that begin on Friday night, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said.
Prohibition in Wales! Al Capone, where are you?
Not even a competion …Boris is the plain winner!
The timely and truly excellent firebreak really made a difference then. If only the UK had done the same we’d be back to normal now…
There is no correlation at all between the sale of alcohol, curfews and early closing and the CV-19 scam. It’s just deliberately designed to remove any cheer from Christmas whilst they eat drink and be merry flouting all the rules they have put us under.
The Night Time Services Industry has initiated a Judicial Review. Let’s see where that goes because this is now a witch hunt on the licensed and restaurant industries.
Can anyone link me to what MP’s are actually voting on tomorrow? I’ve tried the obvious place for parliamentary proceedings:
https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2020/november/coming-up-in-the-commons-30-november—4-december-2020/
which says under tomorrow:
“The main business will be a motion to approve regulations on public health.” but the underlined link doesn’t take you to the regulations – accident or design?
I expect they are still drafting them, to minimise any rebellion
The temperance movement has had a great year – it’s a shame their joy brings misery for the rest of us…
Jerm interviews Prof Sucharit Bhakdi on COVID-19 facts and lies
Sucharit Bhakdi is a Thai-German specialist in microbiology, having studied at the universities of Bonn, Giesen, Mainz, and Copenhagen.He also studied at the Max Planck Institute Of Immunobiology And Epigenetics in Freiburg, and is a professor emeritus of Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, and from 1991 to 2012 was head of the Institute Of Medical Microbiology And Hygiene.
Professor Bhakdi wrote an open letter to the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, in which he outlined the facts being ignored by the establishment and Branch Covidians.
Within 24 hours, YouTube had banned our conversation because it “violated” YouTube’s pro-WHO narrative
https://jermdraws.com/blog/prof-sucharit-bhakdi-on-covid-19-facts-and-lies
The problem with emergency powers is that they should only last as long as the emergency. If you have a government which is prepared to fabricate the evidence on which the emergency is based, it can go on indefinitely – as we see. Emergency powers mean that government can theoretically do what it likes.
Every crumb that drops from No 10 is relevant. So the news that ‘Dillon is under-the-weather’ leads to ‘dogs can catch Covid’ and ‘dogs can spread Covid’. The government can theoretically order a cull of dogs and cats, just as it can order your children to be removed or your family to undergo involuntary medical treatment. If you think this can’t happen, consider that all that stands between you and it is the good nature of kindly Uncle Boris. Reassured?
Emergency powers are unaccountable and therefore very dangerous, not just in the exercise but in principle. Therefore democratically elected MPs ought in principle to vote against them. First, Johnson prorogued the commons, then he prorogued the country. Our only constitutional avenues of redress are parliament and, failing that, judicial revenue. Failing both will lead inevitably to bloodshed.
This country has form for coercing it’s people to kill their pets too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24478532
Watched a doumentary some years ago, about the Holocaust. What stuck in my mind was a guy saying “It’s always just a few steps away.” What he meant was an idea catches on with the people, unusual behaviour becomes normalised, a particular person gains power etc., etc. Worryingly familiar…
The veneer of civilisation is thin. For example, once people start smashing windows of Jewish-owned shops, it’s only another step to killing the owners.
Declaring a state of emergency is a standard ploy of dictatorial regimes to claim justification for whatever measures they want to introduce.
Here’s the glib reply from my MP
Thank you for your email and as government ministers and scientific advisers have repeatedly made clear in the last six months or so there is a cost both financial and social to the lockdown measures and restrictions being used to tackle Covid. The key is to try and get the balance right and I broadly think that we have.
On a positive note, GPs are now dealing with more patients than they were 12 months ago before Covid and the acute hospitals are seeing 90% of their non-Covid workload.
Obviously, a backlog built up during the first lockdown, but government has recently announced £3 billion extra to tackle this backlog. Everybody is doing their best.
Kind regards,
Gary Streeter
“On a positive note, GPs are now dealing with more patients than they were 12 months ago before Covid and the acute hospitals are seeing 90% of their non-Covid workload. “
You must be bloody joking!!!!!
Absolute bollocks isn’t it. I was at my GPs this morning – I was the only bloody patient there! On a Monday morning! Any other year it would have been heaving.
My missus had to go to our surgery for a form for our student daughter. She had to agree a time to be outside; phone them when she got there; then they passed the (wrong) form to her through the letter box.
Couldn’t make it up.
NHS for you.
Yes 90% of an already completely decimated number of patients and appointments is probably a very small increase.
3 million plus on the dole, with more to come after furlough ends. Your MP is a nutter, cloud.
For goodness’ sake. It’s as if you had complained about potholes or something.
“The key is to try and get the balance right and I broadly think that we have.” Ask him how he arrives at this opinion, quoting a list of harms and benefits of the policies and their associated costs.
Not in my town . Anyone lucky here to get a doctor’s telephone apointment.
My friend after having a burst appendix after 3 misdiagnosed telephone appoinments asked if a nurse could be sent to change her dressings. She was told no. She could come to surgery. She’d been told she had to stay in bed for a week. Or she could do it herself…
What the heck is TalkRadio’s Ian Collins waffling about? Apparently conspiiracy theories are always mad. Apparently (according to him) the lockdown protestors were all a bunch of trouble makers and loonies….
Whilst Talk Radio has been challenging for some time, I find most of the presenters virtual signalling caveats like this vomit inducing. Its just noise.
If Ian Collins and other journalists actually did some investigation work months ago rather than repeat government propaganda, perhaps we wouldn’t be in lockdown again and people wouldn’t need to protest. There is no serious media opposition to the government measures sadly. Why would a journalist support banning peaceful protest and the type of policing seen on Saturday?
The leaders of the nations of the UK engage in some pre Christmas group therapy
Note Barts first words ‘just testing’
Prophetic
https://youtu.be/JFCgz959ARY
Worth mentioning that both men in the photo that accompanies this article own shares which stand to profit from current events
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1130/1181414-central-bank-deposit-and-credit-card-stats/
Lockdown continues to have a split effect on personal finances in Ireland. Those told to stop working to protect granny get barely enough to survive on, those who can WFH continue to squirrel away cash.
UK Column News – 30th November 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLhn0dFXLq4&ab_channel=UKColumn
The vaccine is the end game, and once it’s injected your body is the property of the state and big pharma. Multiple mandatory shots per year for the rest of your life to follow.
Until the vast majority of people have received the shot, these criminal thugs will stop at nothing to make life as miserable as possible. Banning the sale of alcohol in pubs amounts to banning pubs altogether (which have been on the hit list of the health lobby for decades). A cull of domestic animals would be a brutal but very effective terrorising move.
Many of the measure are social engineering pure and simple. If the public can’t see the motives, more fool them.
If they are willing to sacrifice their pets to the Covid cult, then it will not be long before they are willing to sacrifice their own family members.
I think a cull of pets would be a step too far, even for the most deeply brainwashed by the cult. Of course, this might be what it takes to snap the zombies out of it.
Inclined to agree. Christmas was a step too far and the government knew it, which is why they backed off. It doesn’t hurt to mention pets; as you say, it might wake people up.
By banning the sale of alcohol, and imposing a 6pm curfew, Drakeford et al, are effectively forcing hospitality business to close, without actually saying so. Presumably this is so he can say he didn’t force them to do so, but it will also mean these businesses are unable to claim on their insurance.
He has effectively killed the pub trade, which I suspect was his intention all along.
Dr Rodger Hodgkinson has been fact checked by AP News.
Pathologist falsely claims COVID-19 is a hoax, no worse than the flu (apnews.com)
Aside from many of the facts about masks, mortality rates, similarities with the flu, and all that we can argue, one of the scientists said this “There’s no sort of long-lasting effects of influenza either. It’s a completely wrong assertion.”
Dr Rodger Hodgkinson has been fact checked by
AP NewsFacebook.Fixed that for you. See the bottom of the article:
It’s not ‘Rodger’, it’s ‘Roger’ and it’s not ‘Hodgkinson’, it’s ‘Hodkinson’.
Interesting though that it’s stated ‘Hodkinson has never been chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada’. something that should be relatively easy to confirm?
DavidC
I was quoting the original post; the errors are not mine.
Thank you for your attention.
I’ve just listened again to Dr Hodkinson describing his professional credentials during the Canadian Hearing that he contributed to, and which aroused the scrutiny of the fact checkers. He stated that he was the former Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa. The fact checkers would appear to have refuted a claim that he never made.
This from October 2019:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326619
Who fact checks the fact checkers? Us I guess.
Only nobody believes us
It almost doesn’t matter if the “fact checkers” are right (which they frequently aren’t of course) – the very fact that we need to forensically examine claims from serious medical professionals and research scientists to see if they are right or not shows that the case for locking down the entire world is based on very, very flimsy evidence.
Put it this way, if we were in the middle of an actual deadly pandemic, our “fact checkers’ would be our own eyes. If you need detailed analysis to tell you whether or not we are in the middle of a medical crisis, then we are not!
That’s brilliantly put, Jake.
Factcheck of the fact checker:
Although Dr. Hodkinson has never made the claim, in some online references, Dr. Hodkinson is being incorrectly identified as a chair/past-chair of the Royal College.
https://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/clarification-on-statements-made-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/
BREAKING NEWS:
Vorsprung durch Technik’ –
PCR test protocol from Prof. Christian Drosten cannot detect SARS-CoV-2 and is fatally flawed:
Team of 20 international scientists incl. M.Yeadon have submitted a peer review
requesting retraction of this protocol promoted by the WHO.
Read full report here: https://cormandrostenreview.com/
Well Helen… The best part is that till this day there isn’t a single paper demonstrating that that piece of RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is in fact an infectious viral particle capable of causing disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the infected subject.
So… They are all still pretending that “SARS-CoV-2” is something just because the RNA database shows a % of similarity with other RNA’s (which in most case are still to this day also not proven to be what I described above!)
This is all just A BIG CIRCUS just to cause FEAR/PANIC in the herd and to allow the deployment of the TOOLS the SRF & Billionaires NEED so that They can SHAPE and TRANSFORM Their Civilization and Planet to fit Their Needs and Desires…
Do enjoy the show.
I agree Voz.
UK scientist are pretending but Wodarg, Schöning, and Bhakti (sp?) are not pretending. No such thing as novel SCV2 and a good analysis of stats could maybe prove this.
Germ THEORY? ..just that a theory
Kary Mullis said that Montagnier was unable to provide one paper demonstrating that HIV causes AIDS. An interesting assertion and shocking if true (I don’t know).
Read this one
MIL saying how she and FIL miss their grandkids……yet in the same breath, she is corona obsessed with death rates and how she can not wait for the vaccine to get back to normal. I can’t understand how this has turned people so frightened to see or hug their own children and grandchildren.
I am angry and in despair today. Not just at the governments doing but how stupid people can be to be so sucked in by this all!!!
Weird, as I’ve just had a text from mate, saying almost exactly the same. He has just moved house and will invite us round for a drink when we have had the vaccine and are back to ‘normal’………
Thet really are deluded, aren’t they?
Yes and scared, brainwashed, anxious, abused both mentally and physically.
Do like I did with my sister in law. She said the same thing and I just told her that is lovely but I will not be getting a vaccine and she is welcome to our house anytime. My Oh comes from a big family and they got wind of this and all asked her if I have a really dark sense of humor. She old them I’m dead serious so now we will not see anybody over Christmas. Fuck them , I only like my brother in law anyway and he is a fellow hardcore sceptic.
Good for you! I have said quite a few comments on my sceptism of it all and its usually met by MIL with shock or she thinks I am joking.
I will continue to see my family who don’t give a shit about it all and hug them as normal. Like any other year, if we are unwell with a bug or whatever, we stay at home. I couldn’t bear to be in the company of these corona zombies anyway.
They will gladly get them/their kids vaccinated (possibility of very scary / deadly side effects; not tested properly) but oh no we can’t come to your house….
Isn’t that the truth Victoria. Just wait until the serious side effects of these vaccinations take a hold and there will be many people who will suffer with new long term conditions or very serious ones or death just like the young Brazilian Doctor. When they find they can’t sue big pharma they’ll be up in arms. We all know on here that these vaccines are dangerous and harmful more than they are safe. People such as described above will be in for a very rude awakening.
You may actually have put your finger on a counter-emotion : work on the guilt of subjecting people to far greater potential danger than the actual virus : an undertested vaccine.
The right attitude in the circumstances. Good for you.
People this fucking dumb deserve everything they get. The vaccine is the gateway to a lifelong dystopian hell. Which as they are so brainwashed they will probably consider as perfectly normal.
Tell him to fuck off as you don’t drink with collaborators
That’s no answer, Cecil.
Yes it is!!
If the vaccine works and is protective – then you don’t need to have it
It’s easy. The government sowed the seeds of fear and panic, and then just let human nature take its course, by not providing any sense of balance. Once it bit, they just had to give it the occasional push, and here we are.
You’re absolutely right, Sam. It’s been like giving a 5-year old a box of big fireworks and a box of matches.
Pleased to say that this Grandad and Granma were meeting up with our twin Grandsons and staying with them the minute we could get away with it and have continued doing so. As far as we are concerned to paraphrase from the good book;
No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation, no virus or jumped up Oberführer prime minister will ever be able to separate us from the love of Family that is the essence of our humanity.
Very well said.
If you were of the mind set that you trusted the government and local authorities I can see why people have been sucked in. Myself and my better half have always been suspicious of people in authority. Especially individuals in government who are less educated than myself or my wife. Just take a look at the education of most of the cabinet. Wishy washy lefty degrees that would never get you a well paid job in the real world. Just look at the Slippery Pig, Degrees in a dead language and Greek FFS. Just what you need to run the country.
” Wishy washy lefty degrees”
That sloppy generalisation doesn’t sound very ‘intelligent’ as a diagnosed causal factor.
Sorry – but shit explanations are shit explanations. I know a host of people with degrees in different areas and different areas – and neither correlate with Covid adherence (although I will admit that a PPE degree is a bit shit by any criterion)
Look at SAGE – made up of scientists and mathematicians. Just selected for their mediocrity.
Exactly. Someone in their late 90s is likely to die soon. Why would you not see them knowing there are very good odds this means you never get to see them again?
I know. And very good odds this means they will never see you again either. I have real contempt now for healthy people who collude with all of this.
I know, wild horses would not stop me. It’s dfficult because I try to have respect for my MIL and her wishes.
My 81 year old Grandmother isn’t as bad, she doesn’t mind us visiting her but is still afraid of any of us getting too close but she still wants to see us even in her house or ours.
If a grandparent is too scared to see their grandchildren then I am unable to see them as a grandparent…….
Exactly my thoughts
Exactly
“I can’t understand how this has turned people so frightened …”
I think you’ve got to find that understanding, because it has happened and is very real. It’s not just stupidity.
It doesn’t give a solution, but bashing your head against incomprehension won’t make you feel any better.
I was out with the dogs and saw a woman out with hers – one of them very similar to one of mine so got chatting, as dog owners do. I said that her dog looked very slim and fit for his age and she said that there are lots of hills where she lives (Sussex) and mentioned she was visiting her mother. Then she suddenly realised that she was confessing to a terrible crime and said her mother was 81 and living alone… of course I quickly reassured her that she shouldn’t have to explain herself to anyone and ended up talking about how inhuman all these rules are, especially for older people.
But I couldn’t get her facial expression out of my head for while, when she thought I might come out with a tirade of criticism for her visit to her elderly mother! It’s moments like that which bring it home hard.
Remember this, there is such draconian censorship around all of this that they are not going to have anyone who challenges the establishment narrative on any of the programmes, that would never do now. That is why there are industrial levels of Propaganda and draconian censorship. If there was a shred of truth in this they would allow myriad points of view to be aired. The fact is, our point of view is not nationally aired because it would start people thinking and they don’t want that. But it’s getting through, slowly but surely.
The dole queue is rapidly growing. The tax revenue has dramatically dropped. Printed money now runs the economy. House repossessions are on a rapid rise. Records number of business are going under. Less Corporation Tax and less tax revenue for the Treasury. They are leading or let’s say have led this country into a complete and utter mess. A No Deal Brexit will compound all of these issues (and it will be a No Deal). In other words, we are rapidly becoming a poor country similar to 2nd World Countries.
It’s a live volcano waiting to errupt and it will.
They are living in denial. I have long known that people in the UK will not even acknowledge that their relatives will eventually die at some unknown point in the future, so in this situation, they just metaphorically stick their fingers in their ears and pretend none of it is happening. ‘If I don’t visit dad, he will never die!’, the shout.
Feel crashingly, blackly depressed today. Only got up ten minutes ago.
That’s your problem… Sleeping unbalance! (assuming you’re in the UK!)
We’re day animals not night ones. Go to bed early, rise 1 1-1/2 hours after SUN RISE, and your Biological Cycle will be more balanced and your Organism will work/feel better.
Most importantly DO NOT WATCH TV!
I don’t watch anything on TV other than old films, documentaries and nostalgic stuff on ITV4.
I listen to the radio most of the time but I love Talking Pictures.
Yes because TPTV takes us back to when life was normal.
It is a brilliant station; love it.
I don’t think that there are any easy recipes – we all have to find what works for us.
The Biological Cycle is universal. Anyone messing with it will feel the natural consequences.
Nonsense. Humans evolved as social primates. In order to ensure there was always someone on the alert against predators, some of have the genes to be early risers and some to be late nighters – and some in between. The genes involved have been identified.
That’s too dumb to waste time replying more than this…
Big wars can be confusing. Were winning on some fronts being pushed back on others. If
We are winning. Our scientists and thinkers are better than theirs.
That is all lovely and very optimistic and all..But as somebody who has actually been in areal shooting war I’m terribly sorry to shatter your illusion , but one thing we are NOT doing here is Winning. Let’s have a look rationally shall we…They control ALL the MSM, the Parliament, The Government, The Civil Service, Security services, Police, Army, local councils, NHS , fucking kebab stands, oh I forgot the Church (all of them!!) and we are fighting back with facts, figures, logic, decency, common sense etc.. Unfortunately they have spent around £150 millions (probably more) on a very successful propaganda campaign to brainwash the population and scare them half to death. I remember I used to talk to the Psy Op guys back in the days and they said that if your success rate is about 25-30% you are a fucking good..Well don’t know what makes them but their success rate is about 95-97%. People will not raise up, there will be no mass disobedience or protest and the MP revolt and Simon Dolan case are false dawns,nothing will come out of it, NOTHING!!( we are about 6 months behind that) Do you think that if half a million people would show up on the streets of London, they would be able to police it?? Of course not but if you have a about 20K middle classed people who are not used of violence, I can police that half drunk.
So in conclusion, the only thing left is to use guerilla tactics and rebel, practice disobedience and speak truth to power before even that has become illegal and our friends in Cheltenham close down this and all the similar sites. But NEVER FUCKING TELL ME AGAIN WE ARE WINNING! BTW we were told the same thing In Helmand, we won, the are is pacified , lets make schools, you will be bored…We weren’t bored, well those he came out alive at least.
Personally, I think if there is a salvation, it will come by the legal route (Fuellmich et al). I am not really that hopeful, but I need something to sustain me through this, otherwise it feels like certain death.
I am sorry to say this but I think Thomas_E is right. Look back at previous editions of Lockdown Sceptics and from about May onwards there is the message that ‘we are winning’.
And here we are.
This is not intended to be a counsel of despair, I do think that we need to press on, individually pressing forward.
Thomas_E is also right about the Church; I have had several discussions/arguments with clergymen and I have complained bitterly that:
The best way of seeing who is winning is seeing how many people are going along with the rules. And we can see that for ourselves just as well as you or anyone else, Thomas.
That was me yesterday. I totally sympathise.
If there isn’t a decent rebellion tomorrow or some good news from the judicial review I’m going to hit rock bottom.
I’m losing my previous reasonable position on the people who have allowed themselves to be frightened into this. They totally need to get a grip and stop ruining my life and my family’s.
Be prepared for things to get much worse than they are now. Once the vaccinated are walking amongst us in large numbers it is going to become nearly impossible. Your definition of rock bottom will need to be revised downwards.
You don’t understand depression then! Thanks for those kind words.
Very helpful that I agree!
He hasn’t got a crystal ball.
Exactly. What pisses me right off is the complete non-reaction from people I used to think had a bit of intelligence and common sense. It doesn’t matter what you send them or show them, it makes no difference at all.
Well let’s see. Whatever happens of one thing I am certain and that is that in the New Year there will be a Leadership challenge in the Conservative Party. I think for sure Bozo’s days are numbered which means so are Gove’s and Wancock’s and Pritti’s.
I don’t see things as being that bleak actually. There is huge pressure on Johnson from his backbenchers and now from the public. Let’s roll with this for now because I think there is light in there we just need to look upwards to it rather than down to the dark. My boxing gloves are on. I am not going to allow myself to feel despondent because I am going to stand up and fight any way I know how however small.
I don’t give a damn about the masses inability to think critically I am leafleting as much as I can. The tide in opinion is changing against Lockdown’s now though and I have a feeling if there is another one the Government won’t find any type of compliance.
Have faith and have courage.
On that latter – the only answer is to step back and look at the fundamental reason why – namely the use of brainwashing techniques to instill unreasoning Fear. It’s bloody frustrating, but we have to find ways of countering that brainwashing and propaganda – and no amount of recitation will do that across the board.
I have always blamed the masses. Perhaps I’m being unfair, due to the scare tactics eventually used by government, but ultimately I think people, at least in democracies, need to take some responsibility for their own actions (or inaction). It was the hysterical public that pushed a somewhat sceptical government (remember early March?) into lockdown and I will never forgive people for that. I also don’t buy the bit about the fear porn in the media. Again, people need to grow up and stop believing all the BS they see on TV or in their (anti)social media. It’s similar to people blaming the Russians or whomever for Trump’s victory or whatever election outcome they didn’t like. No, people need to grow up and use critical thinking skills when dealing with the media. I’m so tired of all this infantilisation.
The majority will get what is (collectively) deserved, but many individuals who many not have bought into this hysteria have been harmed, which is terrible, and I will always resent it. Yes, people need to get a fucking grip and stop ruining other people’s lives!
Tom, excellent. One of the worst British national characteristics is that nobody ever takes responsibility for anything, it’s always somebody else’s fault never theirs.
For years and years and years they have been drip fed hate, fake news, hysteria on a daily basis just to sell newspapers. Had it not been for their malice and vitriol towards Corbyn, we would now have a serious minded Politician as Prime Minister (whatever people think about him here he is a principled politician who has spent his life fighting injustice, promoting equality of opportunity and wealth and affordable utilities, housing, transport and education). But no, the public went for the vitriol in the MSM and now we have this charlatan and fraud as our Prime Minister who is a pathological liar and has no respect for anything other than himself and his friends which is now evident in the way he is conducting the Government. The man is not built for any type of responsibility even to muck out a pig sty as was evident in his GE campaign. Well, the British got the Government they deserve because they couldn’t be bothered to think for themselves. I am glad I had no part in voting this Government in.
What I find particularly abhorrent is the way our vulnerable frail elderly are being treated. They are imprisoned in their rooms, no visitors nothing. Prisoners get more rights than they do. There is no need at all for these restrictions for these age groups. Yet you don’t here many relatives challenging these things do you. People on this site do but relatives would be more powerful.
I don’t agree that lockdown happened because hysterical public wanted it. The media presented it that way so that the government actions were justified.
In Moscow the public and media were not hysterical and didn’t demand lockdown but Moscow Mayor put the city under strict lockdown.
St.Petersurg Mayor did not put the city under strict lockdown.
Lockdown is political.
You have my sympathy. I feel like that a lot lately – I only get up because I have my dogs to walk.
The walking helps – especially if you can go in woods or at least where there are some trees. Nothing is going to make you feel completely ok while this is going on, feeling down is a natural reaction to what happening. Only thing is hope…. and that’s not easy.
Please hang on in there Liam, please. There’s not much further this can go really as the data is showing Covid is all but eradicated. It will either end in a Dictatorship or in a return to normal. Let’s put our faith in the CRG Group and in the Court’s judgement tomorrow. Don’t whatever you do don’t let the depression get to you. Get up at 10.00am every day, get a good breakfast, do something positive. Here in my humble abode I have a picture of Wancock on my pinboard at which I throw two darts every morning whilst yelling obscenities at him. Makes me feel better. Please please don’t end up on medication it is dangerous and not necessary.
Thanks Jo, I’ll be OK, I can never stay down for too long.
Things the government with its Lockdown Maskism has destroyed in 2020:
– The NHS as an effective source of general health care.
– Children’s education. Remember – a lot of vulnerable children are not in school even now thanks to the mad testing regime.
– Normal family life.
– Large swathes of our economy. GDP down 11%…and the full hit of mass unemployment has not yet hit.
– The public finances.
– The Conservative Party.
– Virtually all religious and cultural life,
– Last vestiges of free speech.
– Policing by consent.
– Faith of the public in the safety of vaccines (well every cloud…)
– The principle of the general peacetime separation of the army from civilian life.
– The general socialisation process for infants who now no longer see facial expressions in shops and on public transport.
Feel free to add to the list!
The worrying thing is that Bozo and Co seem to have no real understanding of the damage they’ve done. Not only that but they’ve let loose dangerous new trends: government supported fear campaigns, encouraging a culture of germophobia, total surrender to the Big Pharma agenda, army surveillance and interference in citizen to citizen communication and so on.
And some still feel upset when I write “herd of modern moron slaves“! Truly amusing…
I think that might just be the number of times you say it. Come up with a new one
Why come up with a new one?! Reality doesn’t change just because I write different words…
As far as I am concerned they are my fellow citizens. Don’t like calling them moron slaves. And I particularly don’t like the implication I am one unless I agree 100% with everything you say. ,
You don’t need to agree with facts. One can always choose to live under some sort of delusion and that’s ok!
Brilliant list, OKUK. I would add: The Seven Principles of Public Life – every one smashed to smithereens:
“1.1 Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.
1.2 Integrity
Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.
1.3 Objectivity
Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.
1.4 Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.
1.5 Openness
Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.
1.6 Honesty
Holders of public office should be truthful.
1.7 Leadership
Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.”
I think it was clear from Bojo’s article this week that he is totally and utterly divorced from reality. His obsession with the NHS is unreasonable in the extreme. He doesn’t seem to give a damn about people’s jobs, business going bankrupt the loss of GDP etc. It’s not even on his radar. I read an article I think it was the Mail Online providing information that was leaked from the meeting in which the Tiers were agreed. It shows the arbitrary manner in which they were agreed. Little or no thought given at all. For example, Gove wanted London to be put into Tier 3 and Johnson refused. Tier three would mean the loss of over half a million jobs, Tier was described as “just the loss of 50,000 jobs”. Just the loss of. You couldn’t make this up.
You have to / must realise this one fact. The govts know EXACTLY what they are doing.
They haven’t let lose the trends you mention , they are orchestrating the transition.
They are not innocent fools they really think they are doing essential work.
I know this sounds mad for people who haven’t been following the moves over years of preparation but this is the reality. We are at the start of a wholesale reorganisation of all society.
People need to spend time researching these issues this is not going away.
To all “Lockdown Hero’s”, do you never question what politicians tell you to do? But what do I know, I’m a Covididiot.
They are exploiting this ‘low mortality virus’ to the max, their ‘window of opportunity’ they called it.
In your opinion, what is the end game in all this, beyond vaccinating everyone to make loads of money? And who are the ones pulling the strings?
The ones pulling the strings ARE:
The Secular Ruling Families and Their friends the Billionaires.
What happened after the Nov 11 meeting between BoJo and Billionaire Bill Gates & Friends?!
healthID and then follow the money (and the Power)
I don’t think it’s any more or less than the super rich playing chess with humanity.
They’ve got more money than they could ever spend, so why not try to control the lives of everyone in the entire world?
People like Bozo are just mid-management types to be manipulated and bribed just like anyone else who is temporarily useful to the great game.
The end games are multiple and cover every area of our lives.
If you haven’t been following developments over a number of years you have some catching up to do.
Everything that’s happening is to herd the people into a virtual corral where everything is taken care of by our benevolent rulers but escape is impossible.
The vaccine thing isn’t necessarily a poison at this stage (who knows?) but it leads people to readily accept regular doses of govt potion. Once that happens the eugenicists can get to work on changing the biological nature of humanity.
Also the biotech brigade will be able to inject the bio analytics nanotechnology.
It’s not just about making money from a single vaccine. It’s long term corporate/govt investment into a perpetual money making system . Peoples lives are basically being monetise by an alliance of govts , global corps and investment vehicles all tied up with ideological agendas. We become a huge cash cow for them.
Also, this covers every aspect of life hence the tie up with security/surveillance, financial,medical,even education. For a good summary of the way this is all monetised please visit wrenchinthegears.com .
Then we have the lifestyle ideologies. Basically our soon to be rulers take the view that we’ve been careless with our time on the planet and it’s their job to sort all that out and put us back in our place, and if quite a few people don’t make it that far so much the better.
This may sound crazy but it barely covers the basics. Anyone thinking this is about health and a quick windfall on a vaccine/ppe etc is deluding themselves.
This does not mean they will succeed. But often they have tried.
One World Government buy the super rich capitalists (and their aristocratic backers) using the ‘useful idiot’ Marxists to control the masses.. oh.. and a substantial genocide.
1) Don’t know what the end game is.
2) Pulling strings here is the Prime Minister and the cabinet and their advisors, and parliament. They can end it, should they choose. Who else? Not sure, but IMO best to start with those who can most immediately change things.
The attack on pub culture and alcohol more generally is marching forwards. Noting today’s Welsh decision, I would like to remind people that, in Ireland, the so called “wet pubs” have been open for a total of only two weeks since March and will not re-open until 2021 (if ever?). Nevertheless, these pubs are being blamed for a rise in infections:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1129/1181216-covid-wet-pubs/
According to the article:
Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly told RTÉ’s This Week the evidence is “unambiguous” relating to wet pubs and that they can lead to “superspreader events”.
Speaking on the same programme, Professor Tomás Ryan from the school of immunology in Trinity College warned that “we may not see wet pubs reopening until there is a vaccine”.
The article is a mish-mash of bogus correlations to fit a pre-existing policy as far as I’m concerned.
Note the ominous statement from zero-COVID nutter Ryan about vaccines linked to pub openings. What he seems incapable of understanding is that the bulk of those businesses will be bankrupt well before then.
It’s just more controlled demolition of the economy for the Great Reset
Still, no one’s asking what a *case* actually is
I have come to the conclusion that uncontrolled public health officials are a far greater hazard to society than most viruses.
Prof. KUHBANDNER in Germany has again written an extensive analysis, this time about the wrong count of Corona deaths. He proves Angela Merkel lied when she said “today we had over 400 corona deaths” (she said it midweek, when often many previous deaths are added to the statistics). And he shows that very likely half of the excess mortality are lockdown victims: https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Coronavirus-Todesfaelle-Ueber-die-fragwuerdige-Diagnostik-und-die-irrefuehrende-Darstellung-in-4973792.html?seite=all
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious blunder by this son of pork
You and Annie have a real way with words! Brings a smile even on a bad day. Thank you.
Some idiot got their kid tested and now my daughter is off school for two weeks.
Fuming.
EXACTLY the same thing has happened to me and my daughter today, it’s what’s tipped me over into a pit of depression.
I’m so angry and depressed. It’s time to fight dirty with these collaborators..
This is a cynical ploy by the teachers to shut their school isn’t it really because it is known children and young people are never going to get CV-19 and that’s from international data. Nice way of closing for Christmas early and getting a nice little fully paid jolly to boot.
They are real idiots.
Ditto, our granddaughter.
Same thing with our granddaughter(7yrs) . She has had about 4 weeks schooling in total since March. We’ve been testing her reading by video and she is keeping that up well, but maths and tables and simple arithmetic going backwards for lack of practice. She is of course in a State school, so it is a bit annoying to walk past the private prep. school near us which has a notice on the gates: “1600 live lessons taight during lockdown” .
Becoming a 2 tier nation, the Rich and the Rest ..
Our granddaughter and her “besties” who are doing GCSE studies are supposed to start their mocks on the 9th December (perhaps)
School near us has had 3 years sent home – dinner lady covering reception, also year one, as a one off. Tested positive, so both those years and the year her own child is in sent home.
PCR test I assume.
So annoying! every day I am just waiting for this for one of my 3 children. Don’t make dental or dr appointments in school time they say, don’t take holidays in term time they say: it’s all so detrimental to the child’s education. Yet when one child has a positive test (stupid stupid parents!!
) it’s ok for a whole class or year group to have 14 days off!! I would like to know how many children in that bubble then become ill. I’m guessing at zero..
Someone may have already posted this – the judgement on Simon Dolan’s case is due out at 2pm tomorrow. Surely this must be that lockdowns are illegal otherwise why has it taken so long to come out.
It’s certainly taken an unconscionable time.
We shall see.
We shall see, but I can’t help but feel the timing is chosen to maximise political pressure and embarrassment. The judgement will have been written up days if not weeks ago, and so they have held onto it in order to prevent HMG repurposing tomorrow’s debate and votes.
)
(Just occasionally a strange optimistic streak overwhelms my usual “realism”.
Please please PLEASE let it be so
I thought it was down to a judge being on holiday
I think it was a member of the fucking government’s legal team who was on holiday….
Just hearing bits of lunchtime news and would appreciate a reality check.
The WHO have said the 80% of people will only be asymptomatic or mild if they get this virus whilst 20% are susceptible to serious Covid 19 disease.
This still seems to be an accepted figure and so if you apply those figures to the UK population you get;
53.3 million people who will be mild or asymptomatic with SARS-Cov2 and so the virus is of no concern to their health.
13.3 million people are potentially susceptible to serious Covid 19 disease and therefore SARS-Cov2 is a potential health threat to them.
Therefore everything we are doing with regard to this virus, lock-downs, face-masks etc. is all with regard to protecting those 13.3 million, these measure are pointless for the 53.3 million.
Have I got his right? listening to the lunchtime news it still sounds like most commentators feel that this virus is an equal threat to everybody, so much so that I find I am questioning my own take on all this, any comments from anyone? have I missed something?
WHO works for Pharma companies. WHO changed the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies
I don’t think we can expect logic. What about the proportion who are actually immune? Are the vulnerable population percentages of the reamainder?
then if you apply it to China hardly anyone has had corona relatively speaking
SHOCK/HORROR: Students NOT social distancing in Nottingham.
Whatever next???
Stratford upon Avon, you can see why the good people of Stratford (Nadihm Zahawi’s safe seat) are not best pleased. The lowest ranking locality lumped into Tier 3. Whole town dependent upon tourism, now with Zahawi as MP worried that this will stop them getting out of Tier 3 as Tories would be accused of favouritism if they were let out for good behaviour.
The local view is that there is no cause so hopeless that the arrival of Zahawi on the scene (multi-millionaire man of the people) can’t consign the cause to permanent oblivion.
Of course, we have the same problem with the lack of proportionality in this graphing.
It’s bollocks – (a) based on PCR (b) not adjusted for numbers of tests.
He’s as loathsome as he is intellectually challenged. You now know his price for backing the government over his constituents.
If there is no cause so hopeless that he can’t make it worse (i.e. he’s an average MP), then that augurs well for the vaccine rollout.
We are all criminals now
even the Nigerian email scammers are succumbing to Covid.
email just received .
“Calvary greetings to you and your ministry in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, I am Hendrica Richard, 71years old widow to Late George Richard, I am now a new Christian convert, suffering from long time Covid 19, my condition is serious according to my doctor but as a Christian I believe God and I know that I will not die, I will live to declare the glory of God. My late husband and my only son died from covid 19 pandemic; it was a very sad experience but I believe there is always a reason for whatever happens to us”
well, if i just help her convert her $7 million that her husband left through my bank account i am sure her covid will clear up
Fantastic, a cure at last.
ha ha
I think you mean “Ha-ha-halleluja”. It’s not just any covid, it’s Christian covid after all.
forward it to Hancock
Well Covid stories seem to have found their true home!
Examples of fruitless endeavours:
Painting a fence in the rain
Building a house of cards in a gale
Walking up a descending escalator
Writing to an MP
BTW, what’s happened to ‘mass testing’? It’s all gone very quiet since the debacle in Liverpool & Merthyr. Another £100Bn down the tubes.
The focus has switched to mass vaccination.
Agree have been trying to find out what’s going on although you and i know it has been a failiure
think it was Operation Moonshot? very quiet
Operation waste money!
Rule 1, Nothing is ever what it seems .
The track/trace thing was a deliberate balls up,ditto the testing bs. They are using psychological techniques the whole time.
The agenda is to get the commonpass/covipass/travelpass up and running and they will use it as a carrot to the bewildered population to get out of jail (the present jail) and thereby get the end result they want with maximum coverage and minimum pushback.
This will happen as a “eureka solution “ early in the new year.
Just listening to an honorary medic from Bristol Uni. I think I know why she, and various other advisers are wary of the mass testing via lateral flow – it’s not producing a high enough test positivity rate for the lockdown zealots.
I don’t know about England but the witch in Edinburgh has started bleeting about mass testing in Scotland in ‘hotspots’. Of course all these people that are enjoying this will go along and get tested, I’m hoping the majority of Scots ignore this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55101155
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1333394997857710081?s=20
But it also says this on there
We challenge injustice, defend freedom and campaign so everyone in the UK is treated fairly. Join us. Stand up to power.
We know they talk bollocks and did fuck all to defend our freedom, we can now add lying to the charge sheet
Defund the twats
They took their time didn’t they. They should have started shouting about this in March.
Steve Baker has retweeted it. Good start.
See below content of a letter I’ve been sending about….
I am very supportive of vaccines. Yet it is obvious to the dogs in the street that the first crop of coronavirus vaccines have been rushed through. Indeed, the testing of the Oxford University/Astra Zeneca one was handled so badly that many volunteers were given the incorrect doses, this does not bode well. What’s more it seems the less of the stuff people were given the more effective the vaccine?
Mr Zahawi needs to be able to convince me and millions like me who are minded to comply but want assurance on the following legitimate concerns:
Persuade me that my concerns are unfounded and I will be at the head of the queue. Attempt to coerce me and things will not end well.
It is also relevant that virtually no pre-clinical animal testing was done. In those early trials there would have been testing on pregnant animals to test for potential adverse effects in the foetus. This is gross negligence in my view.
Any vaccine side-effect deaths will be labelled as Covid anyway so I hope this sets your mind at rest.
Iain Davies (IN-this-together) has produced what he calls An Anti-Vaxxer’s Letter To The Vaccinated – https://in-this-together.com/anti-vaxxer-letter/
His work is usually top notch but I find this a bit over long for the purpose. However, most things you might say to a pro-vaxxer are in there.
Brilliant letter.
ACT…
Obeying the SRF & Billionaires ORDERS transmitted by the jesters in office WILL ONLY cause your premature DEATH.
It’s ACT or be culled.
(unfortunately the dude is wearing a muzzle!)
Yet he stands there in a MASK …
Most likely a stunt posing as action!
Beeeeeeehehhe…good sheep. People are fucking useless, he can’t even take a mask off , OUTSIDE!! What a rebel, NOT!
Rita Ora Party For 30 People £10,000 Fine Cressida & Sadiq????https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrJuw3UwGjY
I think we know the answer, she is well connected, so not a chance of any action by the Met who now only pick on anti lockdown protestors.
And obviously her being BAME would be irrelevant.
She is of ethnic Albanian extraction, thats white european
Here’s a strange one. My wife works in a school and does not wear a mask (she has the hidden disabilities lanyard). They’ve been told that staff who wear masks in run up to Xmas will not have to isolate if anyone tests positive, but those who claim an exemption (and not wear a mask) will have to isolate.
Anyone have any views on this? Seems rather odd or a form of discrimination..
Very strange, considering that the narrative is that masks protect others, not the wearer.
Actually I think it’s consistent with the narrative. Those who are exempt would be certain to pass on infection, in the mind of the true believer, whereas those masked will not. Everyone is therefore ‘safe’!
Will they be on full pay if forced to self-isolate? Presumably that would be the clincher with respect to discrimination….
Good point, I hadn’t thought of it that way around.
Yes that is true following the narrative. Still discrimination though.
Typical approach – reeks of discrimination to me
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/disability-discrimination
Thanks everyone. I thought it would be discriminatory. I have her fire that statement above at them. Masks cause havoc with her hearing aids and bifocal glasses so she does not wear one (unless forced to for first aid)
Link to the Act is on that page I linked, Paul.
Thank you Ceriain. Just when you think things couldn’t get more bizarre, along comes more crazy stuff.
Seems we’re not at peak crazy yet either.
Indirect discrimination – policy has an unintentional adverse impact on a particular subset of individuals?
That would appear to be discrimination, also the mask doesn’t protect the wearer from anyone but protects everyone from the wearer.
Par for the course.
Yes – that seems to be a prima facie case of disability discrimination.
Surely if the person who tests positive is a mask wearer then everyone else will be totally fine as masks are the best thing ever and protect others.
As the average age of death in this country is around 81 and the average age of death from Covid is 83, why don’t we ‘do a sage’ and twist the narrative to:
Catch Covid Live Longer
Fact Checkers beware!!!
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich started the legal process. Law suit filed on 25.11.20 in Germany. Plaintiff is Dr Wolfgang Wordag and this is a defamation law suit against a group of so-called fact checkers that are manipulating the truth. They accuse Dr Wordag of lying when he says that the PCR test cannot pick up a current infection. Fact checkers seems to never produce information but simply label you. This will be a blue print for other law suits around the world – one of many law suits coming via many other lawyers especially in the US and Canada
Note:
Dr Wordag was instrumental in fighting the Swine Flu hoax – 700 children in Europe were disabled for life by the Swine Flu vaccine – narcolepsy that is permanent damage to the brain.
odysee.com/@Illusion2Reality:b/Dr-Reiner-Fuellmich-Covid-19-Law-Suit-s..
Hmm. I’m sure that AwkwardGit has an FOI from Handjob’s department confirming the good doctor’s assertion.
Sent it to him.
The nuclear arms race seems quite benign compared with the collective malevolent power of Pharma shares
Tomorrow many will hold their manhood’s cheap when any speaks who fought with us
https://youtu.be/A-yZNMWFqvM
Have done some research on mass testing in liverpool .seems it’s not going that well one hundread thousand have been tested .sounds a lot but liverpool has a population of half million and its ben going on for a month , seems less and less people are now turning up to be tested infact officials r going round knocking on doors trying to persuade people to get a test.
Expect it to all be quietly forgotten, wonder what the next mad stratergy the government will come up with.
Hopefully it’s making a mess of Cummings’s mass testing/big data project that he is allegedly still working on until the end of his contract in December.
He might not be in Downing Street, but he’s still hanging around like the proverbial malodourous emissions.
I had him high hopes he’d be the scourge of the inefficient Common Purpose Civil Service. Looks like he’s been the scourge of our freedom instead. Another massive disappointment.
I too thought his iconoclastic approach would be just what was required, as did friends of mine who are very active politically. But I think we are all feeling let down by him.
He was good for the Brexit campaign, but nothing else. His support for everything climate related should have set alarm bells ringing for everyone – globalist.
Sorry – but you asked for it with that lapse of thinking. He was always a stupid **** with an opinion of himself (perhaps bolstered by others) far bigger than any intelligent achievement.
Well, even I(!) can’t get it right every time.
And it’s not as though I voted for him. Hmmm…..
says the tosser who voted for (snigger) Jeremy Corbyn
20-odd thousand on each of the first couple of days, I recall the BBC crowing, so it’s actually a much bigger failure than people think it is.
Yep, pretty much.
I think a read of Mike Yeadon’s article pretty well demolishes any idea that it has some useful purpose.
I heard Allyson Pollock speaking on BBC radio about it – she was highly critical. From memory, her criticisms were that well people are being tested and that the design of the testing scheme is terrible.
She was quietly devastating with her measured criticisms.
are they expected to be tested every week in liverpool? sounds crazy.
honestly can’t see people queuing up weekly to have something jabbed up their nostrils – these people must be effing stupid.
Joining the letter writing bandwagon.
I write to you for the first time to try and assuage my fears that the conservative party were taken over by a silent coup by Sage in March this year. Please ask yourself who are the scientists who are part of this group and why is there such a consensus within it that lockdowns are such a great idea when there are so many other dissenting views across the scientific community. My feeling is that they are leading the Conservative party down a path of complete annihilation by a group of people who would far prefer Labour to be in Power, for the Green Agenda to be Accelerated and for the current capitalist system to be overhauled.
The Conservative Party stand at a precipice – past decisions can be blamed on a lack of information and the precautionary principle. From now on though it is only the Conservatives that will be to blame and it is clear to me from a wide range of scientific data that the cure is significantly worse than the disease – when this becomes clear to the masses (which it will be in the months to come) the fallout will make you unelectable for a generation. I urge you to vote against the introduction of the tier system and push for a return to normal as quickly as possible.
Yours sincerely,
It surprisingly made me feel better not that it will do much good.
I tried to emphasise to my thick Tory supporting step sister that Sage are a left wing organisation leading the party to their doom. Her reactions since indicate that she knows that she has been fooled but she is a stubborn old mare and won’t admit it to herself, leave alone anyone else.
This is even more disturbing, apparently it will be possible to mix and match different vaccines. https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/covid-vaccines-can-be-used-interchangeably-if-necessary-says-phe/
“No fucking way!” just became “”absolutely no fucking way!”
Yes because, possible contraindications between the new vaccines will have been extensively tested as part of their trials! Silly me, that will come during the mass roll-outs. What could possibly go wrong?
There was an awful lot of essential traffic on the roads this afternoon as we made our non-essential trip to our nearby garden centre. Inside, everything was available to buy:clothes, oil paintings, crockery, kitchen implements etc.
Twenty yards away, a shop selling kitchen implements was closed as was an art shop and a shop selling crockery. I suspect the work experience kids have been writing the rules again.
Holland and Barrett was open and I nearly called in to ask for something to help reduce memory loss. Why? Because when all this is over, I want to be able to remember the name of every damn one of them who has put us through this suffering and every last action they have taken to deny us our freedoms.
I will remember them!
We all will.
Which is why, if all small traders got together and organised in numbers and opened, they would do much better and have enough support in numbers to keep going.
This woman is a fucking goblin
That is unfair to goblins.
She is a wholly pathetic, inadequate excuse for a Chief of the Met Police. She and Pritti stupid must get on like a house of fire. Both petty minded bullies and wannabee tyrants.
Sinister
People may need to prove they’ve had Covid vaccine to use services, says ministerThe Government is looking at ways to enable businesses to establish whether someone has had a Covid vaccine before allowing them onto their premises, a minister has said.
Nadim Zahawi, the business minister who was named vaccine tzar at the weekend, told BBC Radio 4’s World at One: “We are looking at the technology, and of course way of people being able to inform GP if they have been vaccinated.
“Restaurants, bars, cinemas and other venues, sports venues, will probably also use that system as they have done with the app,” he added.
“In many ways the pressure [to get a vaccine] will come from both ways: service providers, who say you need to demonstrate you have been vaccinated, but we will also make the technology as easy as possible.”
He added: “People will have to make a decision but many service providers will want to engage in the same way.”
very sinister
If this is the future, I want no part of it.
Where should I move to?
Since this trend is effectively global and coming to a safe haven near you soon, there is nowhere to run. You’re going to have to stand and fight or surrender and do as they order. This way to the showers.
There’s no where to go. We really are heading into a Mad Max world – you can run but you can’t hide.
The only solution is for good people to stand their ground and say “no more.”
We need somehow to get publicly recognised personalities to head a mass “opting out” movement.
I’ve been saying this since March but none are forthcoming.
without a popular movement with a catchy groove we are stuffed , they will pick us off one by one .
I do not see how that can not be coercion and therefore illegal. Hopefully the fox killer might do something useful for once.
Was just about to flag this up. Odious little man. Basically they will get the airlines, pubs, restaurants, employers, supermarkets to do their dirty work for them – as airlines are already doing – under threat of fines / closure. They don’t actually need to make it a legal requirement. We are doomed!
Just like they did with enforcement of the smoking ban in 2007: Criminalise the owners of premises for failing to prevent the activity. I have come to realise that a lot of the current public health nonsense is straight out of the anti-tobacco lobby playbook.
Banks will be on this list, and not just for physical visits. No jab, no access to your money.
This vile creature himself will of course not be touching any vaccine with a bargepole.
Insurance will be another.
I need a good reason never to pay for it again.
Another immigrant telling us how we are to be allowed to behave in the country our forefathers fought to build and defend that we might live in freedom, without the interference of jumped up petty tyrants.
What did they die for?
And they don´t like alcohol either. As the Devi Shridar said this summer. We want to go for alclhol next.
“What did they die for?”
The right of other immigrants, like their forefathers and ours, to live here without prejudice; to be criticised for what you do, not what your origins are.
That’s democratic freedom.
you truly are an utter cunt
Can I ask what source this is? Is is BBC – seeing that it was a R4 programme he was on?
Interview on World at One. I heard it and was appalled and demoralised.
Yes, sinister. However, can you imagine what sort of system would be required to implement such an abomination? A very complicated one. In essence, it would require everyone to carry a piece of secure electronic equipment with them at all times while out and about. I don’t think its going to happen.
Me neither and I’m perversely kind of enjoying this kind of talk. I want to see how far they are willing to take all of this.
You Know Tom, so am I. They sense big rebellion is very close, not yet, but getting closer and quickly so. So, every time the alternative point of view, ie. the truth is getting out and gaining traction, they have to double down on the restrictions. My view is, it’s going nowhere. They are on the back foot. When Johnson has to threaten his rebel back benchers with another full lockdown in an attempt to get them to toe the line, the narrative is in trouble. Serious trouble. The message is getting through. The problem is, Google, Facebook, Youtube are having to spend massive resources to cull the alternative narrative which is only pissing people off. It’s now time for people to start to move to bitchute, odysee as advertised on here and other smaller outfits.
They are having to work seriously hard to keep it all under wraps and it’s not working. We can beat this and we will.
Thanks, Tom, that is an encouraging thing to say. I am really frightened by the idea that my life might be ruined by my not being willing to be vaccinated against a disease that poses me no significant threat. Your perspective makes me reflect that my reason should not stop where my own fear begins.
We’ve put up with a lot. Although some of us have been disobeying in minor ways. Try and make an untested and unnecessary vaccine mandatory in all but name and they will reap the whirlwind. Who the hell does this jumped up little tosser think he is? He doesn’t own my body and I’ll fight physically to prove that despite my age and gender. Absolute arseholes. I’m very angry now.
Me too, Steph. My body, my choice.
There will be substantial legal challenges to this. It is easily winnable on a number of counts.
A lot of people do carry secure electronic equipment in the form of their smartphone.
Those QR codes on every little shop door don’t do much at the moment, apart from put an aide memoire into the NHS app on your phone in case you are contacted by T&T (that is if you are daft enough to have the app, and doubly daft enough to scan the QR code). But for now that is enough because it accustoms people to their presence (frog-boiling tactics).
The program code which does nearly nothing at the moment will serve as a hook on which to hang the new functionality to interrogate the central database for your vaccine status or whatever else they want to score you for. The government have plenty of cross-database applications already – think how easy it is to renew your driving licence without a photograph because they have one on your passport; think how HMRC are cross-referencing data to identify tax evasion and fraud.
Don’t forget the original design of the T&T app was based on a centralised database. It was only under pressure re. privacy concerns that the government backtracked. The centralised design will still be there sitting on the shelf waiting….
It’s not that complicated, and most (maybe all) of the bits exist, just a case of putting them together.
We can’t afford complacency over this. Arguing about lockdown tiers is small beer by comparison and this is where I shall be focussing effort as of tomorrow.
Lawyers need to be on board for this fight as of now.
i heard somewhere they want to put a permanent electronic wristband on everyone that can’t remove! sounds implausible but after what has happened i honestly would not put it past them.
They want us jabbed, tagged and gagged.
That’s the only sure-fire way they could do it. For the mobile phone app, you could take someone else’s phone to “check in”.
Luke O Neill in a presentation to school children. He also said to them its masks forever
But very simple if you embed a chip in people’s forehead, or right hand. Particularly if you then forbid then to buy or sell if they don’t…
Revelation 13:16-18
What the F*** and repeat
This has been the plan for months but many on here including Toby didn’t want to face reality.This is based on the Chinese social credit system.Add digital currency when the inevitable collapse of the £ comes then its checkmate.The government will have total control and can install their zero carbon future unhindered.
Just because it seems insane doesn’t mean they won’t try.
They are even coming for the judges now! I wonder whether this will be in the minds of the judges considering the Simon Dolan case – ?verdict tomorrow?
https://www.portugalresident.com/portuguese-judges-who-queried-reliability-of-covid-tests-at-risk-of-being-disciplined/
Two appeal court judges in Lisbon are at risk of being ‘disciplined’ for a 34-page ruling in which they justified their reasons for releasing four German tourists from confinement in the Azores (click here).
The Superior Council of Magistrature (SCM) will be ‘appreciating’ this matter (in other words, deciding whether the two judges should be ‘disciplined’) on December 2 (Wednesday).
How depressing that I don’t find this in the least surprising.
I love how their three reasons for subscribing in the pop-up ad basically state they are going to spoon-feed you state propaganda.
This is next level. Surely that’s the breakdown of judicial autonomy
Drivelford says the lurgy is about after 6pm, lurking at the bottom of your pint among the dregs.
All cause mortality in the US is graphed below 2014 to 2020
Graph from CDC via https://wmbriggs.com/post/33626/
THe previous humps display the usual pattern of an epidemic – flu in this case – permeating a population. The rise to a peak is much more gradual. The ‘covid spike’ of March and April is qualitatively different. It is not a hump, it is a spike.
Instead of an epidemic moving gradually through a population, the spike in all case deaths in March/April (dominated by NYC)is much more consistent with some decisive change happening virtually overnight to disrupt the normal functioning of society and economy. That change was of course shelter-in-place orders and lockdown. Remeber what Dr. Donald Henderson wrote:
“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”
https://www.aier.org/article/how-a-free-society-deals-with-pandemics-according-to-legendary-epidemiologist-and-smallpox-eradicator-donald-henderson/
NYC hospitals were being paid to murder people with ventilators and count them as Covid deaths.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/11/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-9/
Yes -interview with Nurse Erin – gripping.
Just took part in a YouGov poll that asked “Would you support or oppose a third national lockdown after the Christmas period if coronavirus cases were to remain high?” The results were;
Strongly Support – 40%
Somewhat Support – 22%
Somewhat Oppose – 8%
Strongly Oppose – 28%
Dont Know – 1%
I dont think we are winning at all …
Yet another example of people holding two conflicting views and only airing the publicly acceptable one.
It’s the wording. “If corona cases remain high”
Guaranteed to nudge compliance from the hard of thinking.
Yes – define high. And define cases…
Who is a founder and part-owner of YouGov?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadhim_Zahawi
From little acorns, great oaks grow.
Keep the faith.
You gov ?? Nothing to do with the government but seem to always get results that support it.
The question is misleading. What do they mean by “coronavirus cases”?
Anyway, 28% is a large minority.
All in the question.
Would you support or oppose another lockdown if it meant more unemployment,more missed hospital appointments.
Well, there seem to be more people that aren’t really into it. If you count the ‘somewhat support’ downwards that adds up to 59%. So it’s going in the right direction.
Would you support or oppose a third national lockdown after the Christmas period if coronavirus cases were to remain high, but there would be no furlough or SEISS scheme?
I wonder if that would change things. Sadly I know plenty of “Wealthy I’m alright Jacks” here in Surrey who would lock down for the rest of time, provided their paid too, or are on a fixed income.
Yougov!
If they are giving us that level of support, then it’s great news.
These polls annoy me. You can’t somewhat support a lockdown. It’s all or nothing. It’s like somewhat supporting capital punishment. The person either gets executed or they don’t. And you certainly can’t not know. There should be two options – support or oppose – and that should be the end of it.
Bradford hairdresser fined £17,000. for “endangering public safety” by daring to open during lockdown!!!
Anybody know a lunatic asylum that’s got any vacancies?
Is the object to destroy all small and medium business?
Not at the moment because they’re busy destroying the large ones.
The current measures can only be described as economic war on the population.
Is that a direct quotation? If the fine is applied on the the grounds that the hairdresser has defied Spaffer’s lockdown, then it’s a fair cop. But if applied on the grounds quoted, then the question is being begged: is lockdown synonymous with public safety?
I think we can all give a pretty cogent answer to that one.
It was a news report on Classic fm.
Here is a link to the BBC News story, with quotes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-55121434
Well said!
LOCKDOWN OR EUTHANASIA?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KAHBmntRzCeP/
Discussing the healthy old lady in Canada allowed state assisted suicide because she couldn’t face another lockdown. Absolutely staggered the state is sanctioning death caused by the actions of the state.
I am in favour of assisted suicide so I’m glad we have that option in Canada, but the fact people aren’t up in arms by this story disgusts me. Lockdown is killing far more seniors than Covid ever could, but we live in a fact-free world now.
I don’t in theory have a problem with assisted suicide if someone has a horrible health condition which makes life miserable. Government caused suicide is another matter completely, very surprised this happened in Canada.
I’m quite surprised she was granted her request. There have been a fair few cases about what constitutes a valid reason for assisted suicide, and I believe this lady was initially refused but did find a doctor willing to help. We here are the ones who recognize this as government-caused suicide, but the Covid cult doesn’t see it that way as they don’t recognize quality of life.
It’s interesting isn’t it, in a horrible way, that she could quite legally choose certain death by medically assisted suicide but not the much smaller risk of death she might face from catching covid from a visiting family member. So she’s sacrificed her life in order to save her own life from covid – talk about sick and twisted.
Agree, says it all about the state and health authorities really. All about control and submission.
All facebook owned crap is blocked on my computer.
Could somebody post the pic for us on LS, please; if KH has no objections.
Keep fighting the good fight, kh1485. And as others are saying here, I also find myself cheered by seeing young people behaving boisterously.
Apologies if posted already. Van Morrison and Eric Clapton collaborate on new anti-lockdown song:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/van-morrison-eric-clapton-anti-lockdown-song-stand-and-deliver-1095843/
Of course they are being attacked for this. I say good on the old codgers!
My god the comments underneath are depressing. And these from people who must really like music otherwise they wouldn’t be on that website. It really is a cult.
I’m having another bad day today. The vast majority still seem to want the end of all worthwhile life still.
It is rather depressing. I’ll be happy to pay to download their anti-lockdown songs given they are among the very few public figures who are speaking out. I just figure the winter is going to be a write-off and the Covid cult will prevail all winter because it’s cold and flu season and, therefore, the hospitals will be full like they are every winter and the hysteria will be maintained. If the tide doesn’t turn in the spring, the real depression will set in.
Are you actually from Toronto btw? I went there a couple of years ago. At the time (it was summer) it was a warm, fun city with a great alternative nightlife and good food. I think it was around Queen Street where we stayed. I hesitate to ask what it is like now…
I was from Toronto when I joined this forum, but I have given up on the city now. Perhaps I should change my name to Lisa formerly from Toronto. We sold our condo on Queen Street (what a coincidence!) and it closes tomorrow. We have had a country home for many years and decided to move here permanently. Toronto was an awesome city and I loved the energy and living downtown, but I can’t tolerate it now. The virtue signalling and the mask zealotry make it impossible for me to live there, and with Lockdown 2.0 there’s literally nothing to do. Like most great cities, there will be utter devastation from the Covid response, many businesses will fail, and it’ll take years, if ever, for places like Toronto to recover. With no live music, sports, culture, etc. — all the things that make cities great — what’s the point living there? My daughter still lives there and I wouldn’t rule out renting a place if we ever wanted to spend any significant time there in the future, but for now I’m glad to be out.
Bots operating on behalf of the forces
Its like a cult isn’t it – keep me safe with emotional strangulation.
“Judas!”
“I don’t believe you. You’re a liar!”
“Play f***ing loud!”
I used to harbour a little admiration for that paper as a serious publication but since this shit started and they did not condemn it I have refused to read a single word of it
If not already posted:
David Kurten ” I was pushed and shoved by a Met Police officer for no good reason. Other people were treated far worse than I was.”
https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1333071537696608259
One of the few good politicians in this country. Would love to see him as mayor of London and get businesses and communities thriving again. No more divide and rule under Khan.
POLICE, PUBLIC HEALTH HAVE NO ANSWERS FOR WHY MASK EXEMPTIONS AREN’T ACCEPTED
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XMsM4kc0SekX/
Police in Canada seem to completely ignore the rules regarding mask exemptions as do some businesses. Not sure what it is about police recruitment these days but they seem to regard themselves as an authoritarian occupying force rather than a public service. Perhaps it has always been that way and I just didn’t notice.
The original municipal police forces were created to suppress the unruly working class in favor of bourgeois interests.
So, today’s coppers are simply reverting to form.
Most businesses are ignoring the part of the by-law that allows for exemptions. It’s very all over the place — my husband has been to 2 different Home Hardware stores and one says no exceptions to masking and offers alternatives to in-person shopping, while the store in the next town has posted mask is required but with some exceptions. Two different franchisees, two different policies. There are court cases pending and we can either launch a human rights complaint or take a business to small claims court. I think it’ll only change once some of these businesses have to pay to defend themselves in court and/or are charged with a human rights violation, but for now they seem willing to take their chances flouting the law because there’s been no penalty for doing so.
Here in England there was some initial refusals of exemptions, but after a while I think the big chains realised the possibility of legal action and some of them even have signs in stores stating that non mask wearers may have a hidden disability. We’ve had ‘disability discrimination’ shoved down our throats for years, so it would be very odd if they did a complete u-turn on that now. I have only been refused entry into one small local shop, everywhere else I have had no problems.
Thinking ahead – If you’re not vaccinated, you will not be allowed to have children? I can see this being the case within 24 months.
I expect infertility to be a “side” effect of the vaccine.
If you are not vaccinated, you will be dead within 24 months on account of not being able to buy or sell.
We have appointed our pro-vaccine friend to do all our shopping. We will treat him with a new mask after each visit.
They may stop that by tying bank account and credit access to having up to date flu jabs.
Don’t rely on a bank account then.
With the disappearance of cash you won’t have a choice.
Yup.
Gold and scrip will only be usable on the black markets that pop up.
Leaves barter.
WTF! bartering using leaves? ‘I’m going out to the street to sweep some up’
Unless you grow food,apart from sex you will have nothing to sell.We either stop this thing now or lose.Once it’s instituted there will be no escape.
You may be dead from an aggressive cancer or genetic wasting disease well before 24 months are up.
Anyone who lives gets to sleep in a pod and have one meal a day consisting of roach paste on soy wafers
Hence my lack of concern about longevity. Drinking heavily on a regular basis on the assumption that there will be full prohibition soon.
Agreed.
The beer belly will come right off on the calorie-restricted they have planned for us.
Also, I believe they will soon shut pubs, liquor stores, and remove booze from the supermarkets in the name of, “public health and preventing deaths of despair.”
Just brew your own. It’s very easy and if you use foraged materials, it works out around 25p a gallon. Not a penny in duty goes to the Revenue.
How would they stop you?
If I was of that age I’m not sure I’d want to have children. What sort of cold, sterile and regimented world are they being brought into? I’d certainly think twice about breeding if I was younger.
I agree. I have one child, fast approaching or even past the age when I should really have another, would have done it this year but probably now never will.
You will have to show much more dedication then just getting vaccinated to get a child license.
You’ll be allowed to become pregnant, but denied access to prenatal care and obviously barred from giving birth in a hospital, I expect.
I wish Solzhenitsyn was still with us to excoriate this lunacy. The Flulag Archipelago.
A day in the life of Boris Covidavic?
How I wish.
Apologies if already posted.
talkRADIO (@talkRADIO) Tweeted: Lockdown sceptic Sir Desmond Swayne MP says “extreme” Covid measures are a “political decision”.
“Once you’ve got into a policy of lockdown…it becomes very hard to get out without admitting that your earlier policy was a mistake.”
@JuliaHB1 | @DesmondSwayne https://t.co/926b5rXK4a
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1333355170768556038?s=2
Very astute. When the fundamentals are wrong it’s chasing shadows
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1333380684996620296
Student Luke Anderson had police officers force entry into his home after they wrongly suspected him of having a party. After inspecting the home, officers told Luke to “go to bed”: “Now there’s a curfew in your own home that you have to abide by.”
Imagine being tucked in by Cressida Dick?
More tucked up than tucked in
i think tucked up was the wrong spelling … you need an f
They tuck you up your mum and dad …
don’t worry Dickhead wouldn’t have been interested as the student was a fella!!
She won’t be touching mine, that’s for sure.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”
Perhaps it about time student stopped going into debt to pay for their own incarceration and took off the masks.
Police State.
Just listening to Classic fm and an ad from Sainsbury’s came on encouraging us to “shop alone where possible”.
So to protect the “vulnerable”( my wife and myself are in our 70’s,), it’s alright for a person of that age and older to do a “Christmas shop”, perhaps £100 plus on their own!!, even my wife who is a “soft” sceptic said “B×××ocks to that”.
I agree, bo***cks to that!
I used to be a manager at Sainsbury’s, left in Sept. This is nothing to do with protecting people. To comply with the covid regs they used the square footage of each store to work out how many people they could have in a store and maintain 2m distance. We had auditers checking and everything. The one person per shop rule is all about getting more paying customers in at one time.
Thank you for your interesting answer.
https://twitter.com/Jon_statistics/status/1333405641399021572?s=20
God, he’s a bit slow.
14th October – me: https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272
15th October – Toby’s NHS doctor: https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid
You’re either in front of LS, or behind. (Nick Rose will get that one.
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It’s painful waiting for everyone to catch up, isn’t it?
Yes but very pleasant when they finally do, the more folk we welcome the more likely we are to get our country back to normal
Yeah. Don’t like to say, Tom, but, yes, we’re pretty good on here.
He did
Notice how there are two paths to Covid: a test or an x-ray.
If we are to follow standard medical diagnoses then you should have both, plus an understanding of the probabilty of lung issues with flu/cold PLUS an actual flu test to eliminate flu.
The amount of embellishment and sloppy diagnoses (for all the best intentions I understand but still sloppy) is a whole host of lawsuits waiting to happen.
Good shout.
I think Toby’s doctor contributor (to whom I refer above) said this in a previous article on LS.
Strong from Laurence Fox:
Just had a large group over to lunch and we hugged and ate and talked and put the world to rights.
It was lovely.
You’ll never take that away from people.
Stay out. Protect your rights.
If the @nhs
can’t cope, then the @nhs
isn’t fit for purpose.
Compliance is violence.
So true
Shhh! Don’t let the cat out of the bag! The NHS is brilliant – it’s all us pesky human patients with all our nasty viruses and bacteria that are the problem!
I wrote pretty much that in one of my many letters to Demonic Draab only last week!
Very inspiring! I would have never imagined that having a group over for lunch and hugging would ever be considered subversive, but that’s the world in which we find ourselves. I love the “compliance is violence” and may have to co-opt it.
More of this now. Outward disregard for the psychosocial terrorism
DM
Brilliant.
I think we can safely assume he won’t be on the list of celebrities being contacted by the government to promote the vaccine eh?
I hate to imagine the scale of the propaganda campaign they will be currently preparing. Lots of virtue signalling celebrities and sports people and a key role for the Ministry of Propaganda (BBC).
Puke making.
No, they made the mistake of inviting him on Question Time once with the lazy assumption that all luvvies have the “correct” opinions. Now they know he doesn’t and it’s cost him his career. He was a fine actor too. Hopefully he’ll be a successful activist and can maybe return to acting on the back of it.
He was a fine actor too
Agreed although I think Lewis was cast the wrong way round. Lewis should have been the beaten-down sargeant passed over for promotion and Hathaway as the fast track graduate as his boss.
Yasmin Alibi-Brown got the shock of her life when he threatened to sue her for defamation during an interview when she casually referred to him as a ‘racist bully’ – he made her retract it and she was like a scalded cat!
scalded cat? bucket of shite more like…
I would like to see him take on the Torys, whilst Farage takes on Labour.
This is everywhere. In the Guardian last week. Just another psy-op
Image below.
Thanks, Mabel.
Looks lovely, K.
Talented artist.
Is that a ‘no mask, no service’ sign I see in the window?
It is, of course, well understood that the police are institutionally stupid, but I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that there is a large number of individually thick personnel within the ranks. How else do you account for this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55124550
And then we have this, reported in The Guardian:
Up to 10 extra police cars will be on patrol in the far south-west of England to respond to Covid-related issues as Cornwall gears up to re-open.
There are concerns that visitors may this week head to Cornwall, one of only three areas in England that have been placed in tier 1, for a taste of freedom.
Devon and Cornwall police confirmed:
As part of the Covid surge funding that the force has received from the government, Devon and Cornwall police have made up to 10 additional dedicated double-crewed units to be available to patrol at various locations across the force area.
Their sole purpose will be to respond to Covid-related matters and these vehicles are additional to current response levels.
Our policing approach from those working within these vehicles is the same as our wider approach, and that is to engage, explain and encourage people to comply, and as a last resort consider enforcement via a fixed penalty notice.
The force is refusing to say when and where the vehicles will be on patrol.
BTW: WTF is a double-crude unit? A unit this is particularly low tech, or maybe one that’s especially primitive – ah yes, that would fit the ‘Bill’.
What Covid surge?
Let’s seal off Cornwall forever, perhaps it can attain zero covid if the rest of us filthy Brits are kept out. They could become a separate country, like the other devolved nations. Or alternatively they could ask to be put into Tier 2 like the rest of us if they’re that concerned.
Uncharitable I know, and apologies to anyone Cornish on here, but this kind of thing really gets my goat!
Or Cornwall could be an island, the river Tamar separates Devon from Cornwall, get a JCB up to North Cornwall and dig out the 3.7miles to the coast and Cornwall becomes an island…. Passports ready….
Funnily enough I was just mulling over the same proposal – digging out a big wodge of land to separate Cornwall from the rest of us seems quite proportionate to me, given the threat we all face.
Vaccine-stamped passports ready, of course…
Is a covid related incident, a sneeze or a cough?
Bloody Emmets coming down ere with their bloody covids spreden em all over the shop, bastards, get orf moi laaaaand
An effective vaccine confers immunity from the disease caused by the infectious agent. A vaccinated individual has that immunity regardless of whether anyone else is vaccinated or not. Vaccination is a clinical treatment, it is not a public health measure. A person who is vaccinated cannot be made ill by an unvaccinated person. The vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. However, a vaccinated individual could transmit the infectious agent to an unvaccinated individual, resulting in them becoming ill. As is usual with the coronavirus official narrative, it is backwards nonsense.
I think we will start to see the argument (which applies to all vaccines of course, not just covid) that some people are genuinely unable to have vaccines, or wouldn’t respond to them anyway, due to issues such as immunosuppression. Therefore we will all have to be vaccinated “to protect the vulnerable” and there will be heart breaking campaigns showing sick children in hospital being put at risk by your selfish refusal to be vaccinated, etc etc.
While of course it must be awful to be in that position, if we haven’t justified vaccine compulsion or shunning of the non-vaccinated on that basis for much nastier illnesses such as polio, diphtheria, measles etc then IMO it’s an argument that is completely irrelevant for covid. But you can bet that we’ll see it made anyway…
If you aren’t bothered about being shamed or shunned it will all be ok.
The coronavirus does not present a risk to children, especially to those under eleven. Indeed, it presents almost no risk to anyone except the old/vulnerable. The notion that the vast majority should be coerced into taking a vaccine that no one knows to be either safe or effective on the ground that some tiny minority who might be susceptible to the disease but are not suitable candidates for the vaccine is just another example of the backwardness of the official narrative.
Quite – but nevertheless, I bet they will go for it anyway. They love telling us that we’re all at equal risk.
If not, then a sad lonely old Granny will probably suffice. That’s done the job quite well up until now.
And yet she’s probably sad and lonely because it has been made illegal for her family to visit her.
since there are different vaccines coming on the market … if each country has their own preferred vaccine which is mandated to enter their country, it could be that people would have to have a number of different vaccinations.
What would be the effect of this on the human body? One untested vaxx sounds hideous enough but several sounds like a coffin pusher.
If someone has had the virus will a vaccine be necessary?
If a vaccine works, having been ill and recovered works because all a vaccine does it introduce the infectious agent to the body to enable the immune system to recognise it and create defences. If having been ill as a result of the infectious agent and recovered one does not have immunity, it is impossible for the vaccine to work.
Exactly.
Yes of course, it’s your civic duty to take the vaccine to protect others.
hear, hear! it’s all backwards nonsense.
Just been informed by a family member that Canada won’t be getting the vaccine until September 2021. Our government are lying again.
… and 9/21 is still far too early for safety to be reasonably assured
I think it’s the other way-
They want to confirm the jab will cause sterility and a terminal wasting disease.
Where’s your family member’s info coming from, alw? Health worker? Gov person?
https://torontosun.com/news/national/no-covid-19-vaccine-until-2021-at-the-earliest
Let’s hope we don’t get it! However, I do believe they’re saying that the majority of the population won’t be vaccinated until September 2021, not that we won’t have any vaccine at all. We will start offering it to the same set of guinea pigs as other countries (LTC facility workers, etc.). I can only hope that the initial test subjects will have such horrendous adverse reactions that the vaccine will be pulled from the market before we have to fight the mandatory vaccine battle.
It’s being rolled out in the next few weeks, I can assure you that it is already underway
I have heard that too from a top bod in local authority. Councils have been told they are expected to vaccinate 26,000 a week. Can’t see it happening.
people must have lost all common sense. all rational thinking. why would anyone be willing to get a jab of toxic junk for a ‘virus’ with a 99.9% survival rate? the psychological offensive against the people sure is working well
I wonder what would happen if I stood outside a vaccination centre with a placard pointing out the deficiencies in the testing and licensing of whichever vaccine happens to win.
Will I be arrested?
Can we be de-platformed in real life, as well as online?
You will be shot and your body cut up to provide stuff for future vaccines.
Ha! The joke will be on them: I have BSE. You didn’t get us all, Ferguson. :-p
Sad to say, but yes, I think you would be arrested under the current lockdown rules. It might depend on what sort of lockdown restrictions are in force at the time though.
any saying “i can assure you” is usually talking bollocks, i can assure you of that.
What are they going to inject in ten days time? Is it to be a placebo?
Trouble with face masks study – DM
Whatever muppet commissioned a “study” to reach these conclusions should be out of work for the rest of their lives.
It must have taken them hours and hours of intense research to reach this conclusion. They are quite literally ahead of the field. Just think what they might discover next!
Obviously no one cares anyway. Stress and isolation is to be expected in the fight to save lives.
That the pandemic ended in May? – oh please let that be it!
Can we all have thousands of pounds for knowing this 8 months ago please?
It what they want. the sick b’s
And bears shit in the woods.
Ah but if you’re not there to see it, do they really?
Well, who’d have thunk it.
According to the Daily Mail this nonsense will go on until the Summer. Its like the sign in the pub (remember them) which says free beer tomorrow. This will never end.
Nah – Boris has just promised we’ll be out in Feb.
Not meaning to be a downer but just a few months ago we were promised “near normality” by November.
I think we’re all on a downer today (Annie may disagree?)
I’m tip fucking top. Bring on the apartheid. Can’t wait as I know for a fact that none of my local businesses will buy into it and I’ve already managed to squeeze two foreign holidays in during the scamdemic. Who knows…if I play my cards right, I might get an extended period of gardening leave.
I’m feeling quite positive. The mood’s changed a bit since the announcement of the new tier system. Now, most of us on here realise this business is going on indefinitely, but from what I can gather some of the great British public did seem to think that there would be a much reduced lockdown after 2 December, and they’re not happy about it. I never heard much complaining before, but there seems to be some now alright.
And “Three weeks to flatten the curve” and “Out by 31/10/2019, do or die” and….
He’ll be out by Feb or sooner
why bother it’s not like he’s in charge is it? He’s reading out the global script. Same as the next person will.
I’m feeling that way today as well — ready to write off the winter and hope that by spring enough people will stop dying of respiratory illnesses (like they do every year) and that even the sheeple will finally have had enough. However, I know hope is not a strategy.
A short trip to Farnborough, Hampshire today, I would say a quarter now wearing masks outside in the town centre in the fresh air, despite not many people around. I cannot get my head around how any sane person with an IQ of more than 1, really things these things work!
I have talked to educated intelligent people, wearing filthy masks that they rarely wash or change, that geniunely believe they are helping stop the spread.
To be fair they might be hiding their faces so people don’t identify them as a resident of Farnborough.
too right!
Lol!
DavidC
Farnborough town centre was depressing even before all the masks. Am there myself today and encouragingly saw lots of people still nipping in and out of shops without masks, like me. Also, many shop staff don’t wear them either e.g. Post Office/Asda.
It occurred to me today that since the police started masking up outside it has probably sent a message to the sheeple that they ought to follow suit. Yet another insidious aspect of this mask nonsense. I get that in some countries/states there is a mandate to mask outside, but nowhere in Canada is this the case and yet every police officer is wearing a mask outside, thus sending a subliminal message that if the cops are masked up maybe we all should be too.
Guess that subliminal messaging bollocks only works on sheep then, I seriously doubt many on here will be donning the mask just because the rozzers do!
Quite the opposite.
They obviously take their orders very seriously, any order!
Nuremberg!
We can only hope there’s a backlash! But yes, only the sheep would engage in this ridiculous “monkey see, monkey do” nonsense.
I bet they do it because they think they are more effective. You can’t see their features, they cease to be human and become robots, and are therefore more intimidating to those they are trying to “police”.
NEW PODCAST OUT NOW!
‘We’re No Strangers To R’
We talk about the R number. Danish Mask Study. London Protests and much more.
Plus the usual songs and silliness!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
R, on its own, doesn’t mean anything. You could have an R of 50 but if the death rate is 0% it’s mightily different from an R of 1 (or less) and a death rate of 100%!
DavidC
A shameful disgrace. Sometimes I feel as if I’m living in the old Soviet block or China!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-55122859
When is this going to end? The nightmare only gets worse.
How is that not on the front page – who the hell (apart from you obviously) looks at the page for Beds, Herts & Bucks?
It was given more prominence late last night, today I had to search for it to share it here,
this actually had a couple of prominent pages in the Mail on sunday yesterday.
It is only the BBC who dont think this is important
Common Purpose Sheep , picked out of the Common Purpose courses for being more sheep like than the other sheep to be the leaders of the flock.
That’s how they’ve taken over education. The people you deal with at schools are like zombies, honestly i’ve met one teacher int he 15 years i’ve been putting my kids in school that’s been normal, the rest of them have this look in their eye like they’re lying to you and know the lies and pish they teach your kids is destined to damage their development. The schools are pure evil.
I’m sure that had nothing whatsoever to do with the actions of the police…didn’t even cross their minds.
Right, after the email from my MP who claimed all the local ITU beds are full, I sent her this email
Dear Maria
Many thanks for your prompt response.
Just a couple of quick questions for clarification purposes.
When you say ‘ as of tonight all our local ITUs are full with COVID patients’
-Which local units are you referring to
-Is that every single ITU bed is full or just the ITU beds allocated to COVID patients
-How does total ITU occupancy compare to the same period in previous years.
Yours
AB
I’ve just had a reply, so she obviously isn’t that busy, here it is;
From the hospital this morning . All green, blue and red areas of the four hospitals which serve the constituency have limited capacity to take admissions today for any condition as blue and red have been taken over by covid patients. There are only 2 beds left for non coivd patients as the blue area has now been moved to COVID red.
32 positive admissions came in last night and 7 were admitted to ITU . There are now 2 ITU beds left which can take covid or non covid patients.
Can anybody translate this
I think what she is saying is due to a lack of Green (for go) areas and wet floors in the purple zones, (very dangerous, especially for dancing on), the covid patients have been moved into the stores cupboards which have now been designated as RED zones. This give a capacity which is almost 10.
So now despite 3789 beds available across the region, sadly they are now in a rainbow zone and awaiting clarification as to what zone they can safely be moved into next. They will transition towards yellow which is almost green. Because there are only 10 beds in the Red zones the region is are nearly at full capacity.
I think this is all quite clear really.
you make me laugh
Genius! hahahaha…
Some key points:
1) She didn’t answer the point about how it compares to previous years – hospitals are often under pressure at this time of year
2) What is the definition of a covid patient? Is it someone who tests positive, regardless of what they were admitted for/are being treated for?
I noticed that.
I was surprised at the speed of her response, because as a junior whip she shouldn’t have time to reply to my emails and should be too busy
blackmailingpersuading MPs to vote with the governmentI’d ask how many of the 32 positive admissions were admitted for Covid symptoms vs e.g. A&E admissions for (say) fracture who had tested positive within 14 days (from memory 14 days is the criterion for designating a Covid admission)
Live Coronavirus latest news: Pubs and restaurants will be entitled to turn unvaccinated people away, minister says
Here we go with the propaganda in the Telegraph. All because of a PCR test using an application rate of 45 causing soaring case numbers. Two tier society being created.
Love it
Aaaaand… yet another knob who goes mad the minute you give him a title. FFS!
Anyway, what bars, restaurants and cinemas? Your boss has shut them all, you knob!
Only because they were fucking forced to; it wasn’t their choice. This guy is a first-class arse!
They were forced to have the app you idiot
Most people from this site refused the app and knew their rights around doing so.
Does anyone know what happened to the guy who created the dummy app and then got outed in the press? He used to frequent these parts. I hope he’s not languishing in a dungeon somewhere.
hopefully working on an app to say you are vaccinated
Hope that’s not aimed at me, Nic.
The types of tossers that’ll Q up for their nasty cough jab are the types of people who don’t go to pubs – can’t see many pubs enforcing that shite – wouldn’t be good for business – well for any that survive the current insanity
Exactly. The pubs will be begging for our business. As you say, bedwetters are mainly neighbourhood watch types
My dad isn’t a bedwetter, he just wants to be let back in the pub.
You misunderstand me
no he doesn’t he works for them, he’s an infiltrator
“The types of tossers that’ll Q up for their nasty cough jab are the types of people who don’t go to pubs”
Sure about that? Can you prove it?
My dad is a regular pubgoer and I think is very likely to have the jab if and when it comes. He’s not a tosser either, BTW.
I bet he’s really proud of you
Glad it’s not just me that see’s thru this guy
So this is already being scaled back within hours of it being initially briefed. No mention of compulsion, just entitlement.
Besides, how many pubs and restaurants will be open in a few months?
Do they really think this will end well? Assuming this happens there will be way more than 50,000 deaths in the aftermath. What are they trying to do? There will be civil war. Seriously. Madness.
I suspect that they put outrageous suggestions out to gauge public reactions. We know the secret services and military are constantly monitoring and manipulating social media as part of their war of terror on the citizens of the UK.
The fact that our own government would happily scam / intimidate us into having a rushed vaccine is frightening.
That is exactly what they are doing.
Mad Nadine Dorries’s tweet the other day was another case in point.
But the trouble is, once the notion is out there it starts to form part of the narrative; a seed has been sown.
I will be proud to boycott those pubs and restaurants. Let them go bust if they choose to discriminate
Echoes of Nazi Germany. A Goebbelsian nightmare repeats. The unvaccinated will become the new undesirables
That’s fine just means more business for the ones that welcome everybody.
Saw it coming months ago. Where are the trolls now?
A broken man who apparently lost the business he’d poured his life into due to Covid restrictions is arrested for joining a peaceful protest
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1333379979376267264?s=20
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That image breaks my heart. But we’re the heartless ones????
Granny killers, one and all.
We need a crowdfund to help get his business back once the criminal cabal is ejected.
Yes. I have been offering contributions to some of the small businesses who have made a stand, but to their credit, they have not wanted anything. I feel like Peter Sellers in The Millionairess, trying to give money away but people are too principled to accept it!
I think the worst one was that poor old lady in the care home whose mind was too feeble to understand why her son couldn’t come inside and instead had to talk to her through a closed window. Disgusting and angering.
That is devastating there is no way this isn’t having an effect on a vast number of police officers.
Police seem happy about getting lots of overtime – I doubt they have ever had such a good year. Every single one I have met this year has been a completely heartless, arrogant and power obsessed.
Lol they’re all dumb all over. I’d be embarrassed if i took the police test and they said you’re just what we’re looking for
Good, I hope they all suffer from the level of deep depression and terminal anxiety that they are inducing in others. NO SYMPATHY!
Why do the police wear masks no need to outside god I hate those cunts
and they only wear them outside when policing protests. otherwise they are happily maskless
Yes sir. I agree.
Are those policemen proud of what they are doing? Or is it just the overtime?
Is it just me, or does anybody else see concern or even fear in that coppers eyes?
Its a tenuous thread to hang from, but spiders do it well enough.
I can see what you mean – definitely concern, but fear in his eyes is also evident to me.
Honestly, what words would do that imagine justice?
Really difficult from a single photo to judge what is going on.
I suspect a few coppers who joint the force expect 30 years of service and a decent pension are worried that they are being used by the state. I am sure some of them expected to help old ladies cross the road, catch real baddies and generally do good. Not do what they are doing at the moment. They just wanted to be Constable George Dixon.
Some obviously just want a fight and to control people, regardless of who it is.
Hopefully some of the good coppers will realise that what they are being told to do it wrong.
In the Simon Dolan Twitter link above the photo, within the comments section is a link to a video of the man’s arrest, which I cannot bring myself to watch
George Dixon vs PC in 2020
This is what lockdown looks like.
This is what lockdown feels like .
This is what you MPs are voting for.
Another one to add to the nuttery
Professor Anthony Staines – another of Ireland’s lockdown zealots, vaccine pusher and all round zero-COVID nutter. One of those people who wears a wet dishrag on his face for his twatter profile. Extract from recent article https://extra.ie/2020/11/28/news/irish-news/anthony-staines-lockdowns-ireland-2021 – highlights are mine
We are in serious trouble with these kinds of lunatics around – surely there must be a way of getting them sanctioned?
Oh, and he’s also pushing mandatory vaccines: https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1333391698324574208
Thing is, because of these nutters, the suicide rate has gone up massively
I don’t suppose all the Irish could just tell him “eff” and “off”?
The majority here are supportive of being imprisoned in their own homes.
Socio-psychopath. I hope that he gets to see the inside of a cell.
I cannot understand the panic in Ireland . If you grade the countries in Europe according to deaths/1M population , Ireland is exactly halfway at 414 , with Cyprus and Norway lowest at 40 and 61 respectively and Belgium , Spain, Italy and UK worst affected at 1425, 955, 920 and 859 respectively. Furthermore the peak of 2nd wave cases was over a month ago on Oct 20 and the 2nd wave deaths are currently at a 7 day average of just 4. In fact if you had no cases data you would find it almost impossible to detect any 2nd wave from the current mortality statistics. It seems that , from the point of view of deadly infection the covid has come and gone. There seems no rationality for prolonging the economic and social agony.
Correct – there is no need for any of this.
Not sure if good, or bad.
Big Bad Ed threatens Boris: DT live feed.
Anything that adds to govt woes is welcome in the short term, but extra financial support is NOT what is needed. And asking for a clear exit strategy is plain silly – they know full well the vaccine is the only plan, and they need to decide now how they feel about that.
Maybe welcome in the short term, but a policy of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” has a habit of backfiring.
“Beat this virus” what a Canute!!!
Wow. Backbone from the Lib Dims. About fucking time.
The only party at Westminster who is not in power anywhere in GB. Which means they don’t have to tie themselves in knots like the other parties. It’s a great opportunity for them.
Todays figures https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9002021/Britain-records-12-330-Covid-infections-lowest-Monday-toll-September.html
Down, down , deeper and down
must be cos of lockdown….
What else can it possibly be!
Obviously lockdown. And masks. And reasons. The data couldn’t possibly be manipulated…
Confirms the ONS and Zoe surveys which had the peak of infections in the week ending the 23rd October. Peak of deaths was last week. Sweet FA to do with lockdown or indeed the tiers as the tiered areas peaked before the tiers came in because herd immunity had been achieved.
Is it time for the pig dictator to be fat checked
and rendered down
They seem to have struggled to find well-fitting lab-coats and overalls for him in all his recent photo ops. They burst at the seams.
Maybe that post-Covid diet and exercise regime was hard work. And we know he doesn’t do hard work.
Today’s been disturbing.
Goal posts starting to move further back from April to “summer” for the “return to something close to normal” and now, vaccine minister Nadhim Zahawi basically stating what many have feared which is that the plan is to create a two-tier society for the vaccinated and un-vaccinated.
The vaccine will not be mandatory, but not taking it will have “consequences” – in other words you will remain in a form of lockdown for the rest of your life if you refuse to comply.
This is sinister beyond belief and frankly evil. The real world is now exceeding even the most dystopian Black Mirror episodes.
“This is sinister beyond belief and frankly evil.”
That sums it up.
It also contravenes the ECHR.
Time to bluntly ask : on which side of the gas chamber door would you have stood?
It also contravenes British law. These are meaningless and unenforceable threats.
The West is no longer ruled by laws.
It is ruled by men.
British law is not what it was.
We shall find out tomorrow whether British law still protects the citizen.
That’s why the fella who writes them isn’t anymore. He said so many are coming true that it is no longer science fiction.
LOL – there’ll be legal challenges all over that…..
Do you think the judges doing Simon Dolan’s case are listening to that? If all the regulations are not pulled now this is what we may have.
But as planned all along but we were all nutters weren’t we?
People told me I was engaging in “catastrophic thinking” when I told them this would happen. Now it’s happening, they seem to think it’s totally fine…
More magic money tree:-
https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/scotland/eligibility-for-500-coronavirus-self-isolation-grant-to-be-extended/
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-announces-500-thank-23093055
Get the printing presses rolling more debt to be created out of thin air!
It’s like Brewster’s Millions but without the happy ending.
All money is created out of thin air and has been for centuries.
Section 15 of the Exchequer and Audit Act 1866 is you’re interested. HM Treasury orders the Bank of England to make payments and it does.
Private banks do the same every time they create a loan.
You’ll note the world hasn’t ended. The UK is actually quite good at banking.
You do keep beating this tired drum.
Iff the creation of money consistently exceeds the production of goods and services then hyperinflation results – and that is what is coming.
https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/the-fate-of-the-pound-sterling
https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/the-destruction-of-the-euro
https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights/hyperinflation-is-here
Collapse of fiat currencies so they can introduce digital money.Sunak and the ECB are already talking publicly about this.End of freedom
What has happened to the purchasing power of the Pound Sterling since 1866?
One of Sturgeon’s lot genuinely thought they could just go on printing Scottish banknotes after independence without any recourse to the Bank of England. And millions would presumably vote for such a policy.
Where did I assert the world has ended???
Yes, very nice, Nic, but what about the bin men, the posties, the shop works, delivery guys, etc.
Never mind herd immunity, we seem to have reached herd stupidity.
We achieved that in March. In fact we probably achieved both in March.
Freedom’s flown from our great Nation
Leaving just a memory
Snatched it from a generation
Tyranny is all that’s left for me
Tyranny’s what you leave behind for me
We all now have our backs against the wall
We all now have our backs against the wall
We don’t need no vaccination
We don’t need no state control
We need sedition from the masses
‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
Hey, ‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
We all now have our backs against the wall
We all now have our backs against the wall
We don’t need no vaccination
We don’t need no state control
We need sedition from the masses
‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
Hey, ‘Leaders’ leave us plebs alone
We all now have our backs against the wall
We all now have our backs against the wall
I need to feel some arms around me
I now need booze and drugs to calm me
I have seen the writing on the wall
Perhaps I need the sharpest tool
Yes, perhaps I need them all
Just spoken to a chap in West yorkshire I jokingly commented we have armed border guards in Wales he actually believed it.I can’t imagine what the fuck happened to his nut.
Has the Rapists Dad annexed Tunbridge Wells?
His paedo kiddo, somehow diagnosed as a retard and in the chokey for 8 years?
The paedo apple doesn’t fall far from the paedo tree
I can’t say I would be surprised either.
I am almost getting to the stage where nothing would surprise me.
Tanks in the Pantiles, as I type….
Does anyone know if there are any plans in place to prevent the pig dictator, mandy, and the other killers escaping the country after the court case tomorrow?
They’ll have immunity somehow, I’m sure they have a long list of people they can throw under the bus first.
You expect SD to win? I think the timing of the judgement being handed down STINKS
7 day average for positive tests.
Does anyone know what’s happened to mass testing? Seems like another brilliant idea’s bitten the dust!
I guess people got wise and stopped going?
I’m hoping this is the case – that most people do not want to risk enforced quarantine. I would rather people rejected it through rational thought rather than instinctive self interest, but it’s a start.
Meanwhile in Valencia, the Police has just demonstrated AGAINST lockdowns and masks!
https://nachrichten.es/video-die-polizei-demonstriert-in-valencia-fuer-die-freiheit-und-gegen-das-tragen-von-masken/?fbclid=IwAR0qHcksfeEJTRIOg3ZVJNvLzbF6jn9BcP-rdHm0JDJudJblrKQQ7aX9UcI
Wonderful
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9001017/Laurence-Fox-sparks-fresh-Twitter-storm-slams-NHS-says-staff-arent-saviours.html
This man might well be getting my vote.
oops sorry just posted about this. Well said.
I think so as well.
Hospital admissions was flatlining before the lockdown, so it wasn’t needed. It’s now heading down which shows there aren’t more deaths coming!
But, but, third wave surge ‘potential cases’ spike er, er… going-up thing!!
Deaths lag about 4 weeks behind any action on infection so the figures we see now still haven’t been influenced 1 iota by the lockdown, this drop was already ‘baked in’ (as Whitty says) prior to the lockdown.
Criminal!
Of course that is the case. Witless and Valueless and the rest of SAGE were desperate for John-Son and Wancock to impose a lockdown and/or “circuit break’ so that they could ride the tails of the normal winter flu season with the inevitable increase in respiratory deaths and then claim that it was their insight and swift action that save thousands of lives rather than the typical path of the winter respiratory infection season.
They know it is nonsense but the only hope that they have, at the very least of avoiding lifelong ridicule as incompetent imbeciles, or more seriously jail for wilfully misleading the Government, is to hope that nature takes its course and they can savage their jobs, claiming credit of the passage of nature.
They will not, however, be able to salvage their self respect for they must know that they are responsible for the deaths of thousands and a minimum.
They needed the lockdown as cover for all the numbers falling.
You have to wonder what these figures would look like if they allowed for the true false positive rate on recorded “cases” and deaths.
Mike Yeadon suggests the FPR at around 5%, but also we need to realise they always report absolute numbers which is also misleading, it should be quoted as a number per 100,000 or 10,000 tests.
If the daily figure is 15,000 on two consective days, but the tests performed on those two days are 250,000 and 350,000 respectively thats a massive difference.
They happily report figures per 100,000 when it suits their narrative.
They’re not misleading the government, the government is telling them what to say after they’ve been told what to say by the NWO
Just hang on in there, the devastation bottled up in mask wearing will come to fruition in due time.
I tend to stay away from MSM and screens in general over the weekend and Mondays I have off with my kids but just saw Laurence Foxs latest! I never used to like him much but fully agree with him. Sorry if posted previously.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9001017/Laurence-Fox-sparks-fresh-Twitter-storm-slams-NHS-says-staff-arent-saviours.html#comments
How dare he criticize our fantastic NHS?
If he thinks he has a better dancing routine, then why doesn’t he show us?
I think his Tiktok choreography is strong
He will get a lot of stick but he’s moving the Overton Window as far as criticizing the NHS goes
Comments are about 50/50.His point about shutting down everything to save the NHS has gone right over a lot of people’s heads.
Panto hell zone
This looks fun. What the freekin hell do these people think they are doing? As if those plastic screen will do any good what so ever, idiots.
stay safe you fucktards
They have no future, courtesy of their own compliance.
Is it that theatre in Manchester that got Twitter-mobbed when they were telling everyone how great it was that masks, screens, temp checks, sanitiser, distancing etc was compulsory in their theatre? They just didn’t seem to understand why they were getting negative comments.
no its our local theatre
Hopefully it will be closed forever
We’re ready to open our doors and welcome you safely back to the theatre
https://mobile.twitter.com/hopemilltheatr1/status/1319628382787817479
That link is to the most spine-chilling horror movie I’ve ever watched.
These people are just weird. And sick. And gullible.
Wickible? New word, maybe?
I just don’t know where to START with these maniacs …
Does anyone else scream at Matt Hancock telling him that he speaking absolute bollocks!
Yep, just scared the dog.
I mentioned the other day that one of my dogs threw up while Bozo was speaking on the TV the other day. The animals are suffering far too much.
I can’t watch him. I don’t think he is any good for my sanity.
Even seeing his photo makes me physically sick.
I gave up in April.
I’ve been asleep, who is Matt Hancock?
This one:
….
Choice between that and Johnson, I would vote for the actual pig.
Never met him. If I did I’d be more likely to punch him on the nose.
Me too! Along with many others!
I can think of something better to do to him…
Get in line.
No, can’t watch any of them any more.
Yes, yes yes. So much so that I have had to stop listening to him at all. But to be spouting so much wrong stuff is very worrying.
The above advert is demanding ‘Forget about casinos in Aberdare’
How can I forget about something I had not thought about in the first place?
However now I have thought of Aberdare Casinos but only in response to the advert
Now I can’t forget about Casinos in Aberdare
I have a vision of a sheep wearing a tiara saying ‘place your bets please’
Are you also seeing that?
What year is it? and am I allowed to go to the pub yet?
No, suck it up you weakling
Reduced to begging, this shows just how weak his position is, and he knows it.
I love Big Brother!
How no one has punched him is anyone’s guess.
I havent got close enough to him – its bad enough my screaming at a screen
How does anyone get close to him? Does he actually go anywhere where anyone can see him? If so, does anyone know where and when? I’m having dangerous thoughts – sorry…
Canute says “Tide is back under control”
The government’s so-called cost benefit analysis is now available.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939876/Analysis_of_the_health_economic_and_social_effects_of_COVID-19_and_the_approach_to_tiering_FINAL__SofS_.pdf
Unsurprisingly, it’s utter drivel, as Christopher Snowdon, amongst others points out – https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1333455704607297536
However, it’ll probably be enough to convince most of our intellectually superior MPs
(Responding to myself is probably a sign that I’ve been locked in for too long)
I’m sure you’re right, Martin. An analysis in name has been given, honour has been satisfied. Time to go home and put their feet up before they nip outside for a glass of wine by the fire pit.
For me this stood out:
“Since the summer, the Government’s priority has been to ensure that education
remains open. The policy in England is that education settings will remain open in
all tiers. Children’s life chances, as well as the long-term health of the economy,
depend upon students continuing to learn and develop vital skills, and adults being
able to train and retrain to meet the changing needs of industry and the economy.”
YOU CLOSED THE SCHOOLS! YOU DID SO ON THE BASIS OF ZERO EVIDENCE.
This must surely be the worst government we have ever had. Has any group of people ever been so obscenely out of their depth?
Universities are effectively closed/online only – minimal social, sporting, and campus activity
You have obviously not been paying attention. What they say goes and what they don’t say doesn’t exist.
https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1333458784644161537
His last image – part 3.9 has got nothing to do with any of their restrictions.
They really are a bunch of chancers.
Just found on front page of the total bollocks that is the govts cost benefit analysis (I use the term loosely)
….estimated 633,000 people with COVID-19 in the community in England in the week ending 21 November….
in what universe is that true?
official figures say 103,000 in last 7 days
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#
down 33,000 on previous
basic maths???
They get the higher figure from the ONS, ZOE and REACT study all of which are showing infections falling off.
Thanks
Had a skim read of it – utter farce
NO information on
Suicides
Murders
violence
not fatal self harm
Missed cancer, heart disease or other illnesses
Limited information on mental health issues such as depression and anxiety
Economics section is completely inadequate
No effort to persuade what-so-ever
Where is he getting this asymptomatic transmission stuff from? He’s going hard on it.
Unfortunately most of the sheep don’t yet realise that “asymptomatic transmission” is bollocks. He can still get away with it.
He is just talking bollocks (again)
I know, I know. I should be way past being engraged by it by now and I really shouldn’t be imagining that any of it could ever make sense or be based on evidence.
just been listening to talk raido which unfortunately was broadcasting this pantomime. I agree . what bollocks. asymptomatics, mass testing, lockdown working at liverpool .
and the questions ……. even from the media they were so tame. are they vetted?
As I was invited to a webinar today on “how to wash your hands safely”, I imagined all the danger associated with such an action. Then I thought about how scarey the world really is, with dangers such as playing board games with others, over a 5 day period of extreme danger. And shopping is so terrifying, I need PPE. How I need Boris and Hancock to keep me safe.
I also need daily emails from HR saying “hands face, space”, and a rolling video in the foyer, as I am so terribly stupid, I can only cope with three word slogans.
Everything is so dangerous, perhaps I ought to go to bed and stay there.
It’s not safe to stay in bed. You risk blood clots and pressure sores. Didn’t you get the memo?
Next webinar will probably be “how to get out of bed safely”, FFS!
I wonder how these people have not realized that living is sometimes dangerous.
I hope you wore a mask.
does anybody know what the process is for the enquiry of the house of lords on the Constitutional implications of COVID-19, i.e. how long it’ll last, when’s a decisive date? https://committees.parliament.uk/work/298/
Prof Allyson Pollock of Newcastle was on The World Tonight last week – highly critical, a waste of £100 billion pounds. Described it as a screening programme with no ethical approval. The National Screening committe have not been involved to help develop the programme and the manufacturers of the tests have stated that they are not to be used on asyptomatic , healthy people. The tests should only be used by doctors to confirm diagnosis. Finally she said that the mass testing should stop immediately.
Article in the BMJ said the same too.
How can you spend a 100billion pounds on a testing programme. I remember the days of the mass Xray screening when the vans would turn up at your place of work at 6 month intervals. Pretty sure that did not cost that amont of money and it went on for decades..There are ads on TV at the moment asking for donations for cancer research UK . Apparently their annual funding is only about 75M , and this covid testing is more than 1000 times that – for what gain?
Not infrequently the press picks up on a story about cancer or other seriously ill patients being denied, by NICE, drugs or scanning that is availablle in more civilised countries on the basis that the cost is too much for the benefit of just a few patients .
So what does NICE think about 100 billion pounds , 80% of the NHS budget , on sticking a qtip up the nostrils of millions of people to determine how many are affected by an infection that is not particularly harmful to the vast majority of the population.
Lets see some accounts. Where, how and to whom is the money allocated. Its our money after all, or rather its nobody’s money initially, but it constitutes a debt that you, I and our children and grandchildren will have to pay off eventually in real money.
Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi suggests Brits who dont have a jab could be banned from cinemas and the footie. “I think you’ll probably find that restaurants and bars and cinemas and other venues, sports venues, will probably also use that system”
What a fucking dog turd.
It is terrifying. I am sure there would be a legal challenge.
There had better be.
The mere fact that there is a Minister of Vaccines is terrifying in and of itself. Given the scale of the operation that is being planned, we may need a Department of Vaccines (DoV) before long.
Pity there isn’t a Minister for Freedom.
They’d lock him up.
Lots and lots of them
Maybe no cinema or football for me then.
A vaccine is a medical intervention. As such it must surely be voluntary on the basis of the principle of informed consent.
Statements like this make me ever more determined not to have it. I see no need for it.
Quite so.
The only way I am having that vaccine is if I am being held down by ten big men.
Please don’t write things like that, I’ll get an erection.
I was making a serious point.
No more elections, sorry
I know it was a bit sexist, but I’d pay to have ten big women hold me down.
(That was a joke).
I used to live with a lady who provided services like that-most things worked out at £250 ph. Times that by 10 could prove to be a bit costly
The mask is a medical intervention and should be 100% voluntary for exactly the same reason.
That’s an excellent point.
The exemptions essentially make it so.
Only if the exemption is honoured, which is happening very sporadically here in Canada. Very hit and miss, so not really voluntary here.
James007: Yes, exactly. Four key principles of medical ethics (Beauchamp and Childress, 1989) are:
Respect for autonomy: (we should value people as ends in themselves, respect them as rational decision-makers, minimise interference in their lives, promote their ability to be autonomous)
Non-maleficence: (we should not inflict evil or harm)
Beneficence: (we should help others and promote their welfare)
Justice: (we should treat people equally and promote fairness)
Informed- by the bbc, of course.
remember 1976 – the long hot summer .. Labour created a post of Minister for Drought (Dennis Howell) late into the drought. Within a couple of weeks the drought broke and it rained so much Howell became Minister for Floods.
So what will Zahawi become Minister for in a few weeks when the vaccination plans fail?
Minster for vaccine death?
Minister for vaccine devastation?
either will do.
They are brazen now.
Part of me hopes that all students get tested using lateral flow and not one proves positive, just to see the government and the health “professionals” spin that one!
I know its statistically impossible, as those tests have a FPR of around 0.5% apparently. But 5,000 out of 1 million tests would be a hard sell.
Yes I am hoping for that too.
need to confirm a ‘positive’ with a second test
Maybe. But I have thought from the first day of Liverpool testing that they will quietly forget about the LF tests because they aren’t giving the ‘right’ results.
Yep. I’ve been thinking the same since Slovakia’s antigen testing produced the wrong result. But maybe they need the lateral flow test for now and it’s back to PCR factor 50 when we’ve had Christmas lunch.
from the BBC website-note the use of the term “gold standard”!
The Liverpool pilot offers two types of testing, both involve swabbing the nose or throat.
The PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test is regarded as the “gold standard” by epidemiologists, but takes up to a day or longer to produce a result because the sample is sent off to a laboratory.
The lateral flow test involves a handheld kit that gives a result – a bit like a pregnancy test – in about 20 minutes. There’s no need for a lab. Fluid from a nasal swab or saliva goes on one end, then a marking appears if you are positive.
And that’ll be the gold standard that has just been asked to be retracted by a large group of scientists.
They will just claim that the very act of mass testing cures covid, just like it did in Liverpool.
Disappointing that even Tim Spector thinks that it would be OK to mandate a vaccine – even though many of us assess that our risk to Covid is lower than that of the vaccine.
Where did he say this?
In the Freddie Sayers Unherd interview. He was talking about the ‘old style’ vaccines, not the new RNA ones, but even so…
Whether they are safe or not is besides the point.
It should be your free choice and you should be able to exericise your choice without fear of censure or penalty of any kind.
Trying to mandate it and saying so at this early stage won’t go in their favour. I would rather be excluded than have a rushed vaccination.
Me too, they can bog off with it all. I’m that kind of awkward person who would actually be more likely to have it if it was completely voluntary, not less. As soon as someone tells me I must have it, I won’t!
Think he was wondering about it being reasonable to mandate for health and social care workers but no need for general public. But if any vaccine is to reduce severity of illness it wouldn’t stop spread of illness
Very disappointing if true.
Precisely.
And I don’t care if it is safe.
I won’t have my arm twisted to comply with this government covid propaganda bollocks.
New economic & health assessment here. No mention of false positives!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939876/Analysis_of_the_health_economic_and_social_effects_of_COVID-19_and_the_approach_to_tiering_FINAL__SofS_.pdf
First quick look – it’s f#$%ing pathetic.
If that’s the best the top flight scientists and university educated civil servants can come up with it’s a damning indictment of how low this country, it’s education system and the pathetic parasites in the establishmentvand the general population who listen to them have sunk .
Hi AG, is it possible to contact you privately?
Nope, I could see that
?
I don’t do social media, but post a throwaway mobile numberl or e-mail address or a website contact form along with a quick subject and I may or may not answer depending on how busy I am.
Best I can do unfortunately.
Emailed my MP today in protest about the Lockdown. Last time I did it, got a reply a few days later. This time, got an instant pro-forma reply stating it may be some time before I get a full reply due to the large amount of emails coming in. I’d like to think these are not emails from the Faithful congratulating him on voting for Lockdown.
No, I think that’s a good sign.
It probably is a good sign – I don’t see lockdown enthusiasts bombarding their MPs with requests for more imprisonment with anything like the same vigour shown by critics of the process.
I got the same from my Labour MP!
Still waiting for a reply from Philip Dunne (Ludlow) apart from the usual “clap trap”
Just sent my 3rd email this year to mine in South Somerset, with the same automated reply. He’s clearly not had a minute to spare, and clearly can’t be employing any staff to support him so I presume there’ll be no office expenses claimed by him this year.
If that is Marcus Fysh, I got a proper reply from him on HoC headed paper!
My MP replied to my first two letters in October but has so far ignored my last two…
I have only just recovered from hearing him talk about “The [Sacred Sacrament of the] Vaccine, injecting hope into millions of arms this winter”.
Almost had to take the afternoon off work.
Your prescription (from Dr Laura) is a bottle of red wine.
Sounds nice. Is that allowed? I’m tier 2, is it still OK? I need to be told how to drink it safely.
I could actually cry. Our local community page has a woman asking if it is justified to contact the policy over how busy the local garden centre was when she went to visit and how she felt unsafe with that many people leaving the house. Doesn’t seem to have connected in her miniscule mind that if it is okay for her to leave the house and go to the garden centre, why is it such a scandal to find other people there. Sadly, the majority of the comments were encouraging her to contact the police/trading standards.
I actually doubt whether those in charge realised it would be this easy to control the population because the stupidity on display has gone far beyond what I would ever had expected to be possible.
There’s a lot of that around here,morons moaning about other people being somewhere yet oblivious to the irony that they are there too and some other moron will be moaning about their presence.
This isn’t new to be honest, people have long been annoyed at how busy places are when they themselves are also visiting said place. The M25 is a good example of this. Moronic I agree.
i think this year has just confirmed to me how utterly pathetic, parochial, small minded, petty selfish little shits most british people are. Your example here just confirms all this.
I’ve suspected myself to be increasingly a misanthrope but I think I can confirm this to be a correct diagnosis. Not sure what the cure is…
It’s known as “community spirit” but we know it as “busy bodying” and “nosy parkering”
By no means just British people! Like you, I would now call myself a misanthrope — so much so that hubby and I have moved permanently to our place in the country where I can pretend there’s no pandemic (for a while anyway) and go a very long time without seeing another human being, let alone one in a mask. I think, for me, that’s been the cure. I have a long memory and will never forgive my fellow humans for bringing this insanity down upon us all.
Reminds me of this one from earlier this year…
https://www.suffolkgazette.com/news/woman-visiting-the-beach-complains-too-many-people-are-visiting-the-beach/
similar thing yesterday on our local page with someone moaning about the number of people outside a coffee shop. idiots the lot of them.
In Handjob’s conference the FT “journalist” asked two questions. Firstly he asked about the number of hospital admissions that are in with covid Vs in for covid, and secondly about whether you will be restricted from restaurants etc without a vaccine. They just waffled around it. They gave no figures at all and then Handjob spouted unrelated verbal diarrhea for 5 minutes.
The “journo” just sat and nodded his head throughout, as if he was getting an answer. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
Sorry, BluePill, I’ve just posted more or less the same after you!
Jim Pickard at the FT is pretty sharp – don’t think he would have been convinced by the answers.
Did they let him have a follow-up question (I can’t bring myself to watch the Clown Show)?
No – that’s not allowed any more!
from what I understand-according to a journalist on LBC-once the question is asked they are muted
How is it so obvious to us that we both comment on it immediately, but the vast majority don’t even notice it?
I was watching with my 18 year-old son. He said exactly the same at the same time too!
Another good one from the Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000935/Only-THREE-hospitals-busier-winter-data-shows.html
Yes I read that, I checked our local data out and we are at 85% capacity with less beds as one of the hospitals has been declared no covid so they can carry out ops and appts. Last year we were 96% with more beds.
We have over 500 beds not including the covid free hospital and 124 are taken up with covid between 2 hospitals.
They need to stop lying about it , when clearly the facts are there for people to see.
A lot of the comments were sceptical as well
Hancock is pushing that asymptomatic crap again. Everyone is a vector of disease. Everyone needs tested. what a cynical corrosive narrative for any society.
And a big money spinner for their cronies.
To the posties, drivers, shop workers yes.
Simon Dolan says on Twitter judgement tomorrow 14:00
Well perfect timing for the Parliamentary debate then isn’t it.
Plus both Mrs Awrward and I got in sceptic comments, facts and topics in the after-funeral bullshit session today, not one person there had even questioned anything but itwas the younger family members that were open to questionihg once they knew the MSM and social media could not be trusted.
5pm conference. Jim Pickard (FT) just asked two excellent questions, neither of which were answered.
To Professor Powis – of the people in hospital with covid, how many came in with it? Total waffle and no answer, so assume, quite a lot are in for different reasons and happen to have tested positive (maternity, car accident etc) or were moved from other hospital wards (cancer patients, geriatrics). Overall, completely plausible that the majority could fall into this camp. Suggest the numbers on ventilator beds (10% of those in hospital) is a reasonable guide as to the scale of the genuine ‘covid’ admissions?
To Matt Hancock – do you agree with what Nadhim Zahawi said today about coercion to have the vaccine? Again, total waffle, no answer, but loads of praise for what a fantastic appointment it was. Presumably Matt has the tickets for the next event:
The Presidents Club London: Nadhim Zahawi given ‘dressing down’ after attending male-only dinner where waitresses were ‘groped’ | London Evening Standard
Thanks for this. I don’t watch these events anymore for obvious reasons but am glad to see a serious effort from FT journalist Pickard. Most of his colleagues are worse than useless and I gave up on the FT some months ago. Perhaps something is changing. It used to be a good newspaper.
Good to hear somebody actually asked a proper questioning. Most of them are something like:
Boris: So we are asking everyone in the country to jump simultanously.
Laura Doomsberg (BBC): How high?
heard this one among all the non-questioning questions. agree not answered . nothing about nosocomial infections. implication was that if someone tested positive even after a couple of days they must have been asymptomatic carriers when they came in. Also no admission that any positive tests might be wrong . all either ill from covid or asymptomatic carriers
Some years ago I watched a video by, I think, Mark Sandell, the philosopher, talking to students at Harvard. He was discussing Jeremy Bentham and his concept of Utilitarianism, which in essence says that the actions you take should aim to bring the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people. It seems to me that the actions of governments at present represent the very antithesis of utilitarianism. They are at risk of sacrificing the many for the few. Or am I incorrect in my thinking?
Utilitarianism is not without its drawbacks. For example, there is a national shortage of organs for transplantation without which people will die or have their lives severely curtailed. Utilitarianism would suggest that a suitable healthy person should be dismantled for spare parts, provided that at one other life was thereby saved together with some significant benefit to another person.
RE. vaccinations and restrictioms on venues.eg pubs
Let’s assume a significant minority refuse a vaccine -say 25%
In a free market some pubs will decide to service this niche. If unvaccinated people are free to enter those pubs and mingle, then it will quickly become apparent that there is not and never was any danger in doing so.
Can that be allowed by the government?
I wold say not, because any ‘parallel society’ whch established itself would make a mockery of covideology.
We are already being told anyway that vaccination will not bring an end to masks and distancing, so what kind of venues would those be, which only admitted the vaccinated.?
I foresee the comeback of the Speakeasy in such circumstances.
I see a huge rise in domestic terrorism if it happens. It’s absolute insanity – totally preventable and unnecessary breakdown of society coming. As always happens in these insane grand experiments.
Demonstrations and riots will be two of the very few options left for social life.
Depends who breaks ranks. Some smaller businesses might, but chains might not, or premier league clubs, or anything where the governing body can control what their members do.
I don’t see how they can break ranks when the gestapo err police and the council will shut them down.
the speakeasy has already arrived-can’t say where for obvious reasons
I know of one too.
Just out of interest, are you allowed to smoke there?
from what I gather, no but I’m not 100% sure.
Shame.
They can just make presentation of a vaccination certificate a condition of the licence, so any pub which does not enforce it is at risk of losing its licence, in the same way it would if it persistently served under 18s.
It seems to me that it doesn’t matter what the tool is used to divide, be it healthcare, school for your children, social settings. The goal is to mark out the non compliant. The masks work to that effect but a vaccine can make it even more stark. Continued lockdown for the non compliant, the facade of freedom for the rest
here’s the new lockdown tier regs – from simon dolan’s twitter feed
All 75 pages – get a beer/bottle of wine…
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/made/data.pdf
By any reasonable definition of the word, the government has displayed huge incompetence in many aspects of the handling of this crisis.
But they have got some key things right:
1) Frighten people
2) Buy off the media
3) Stick to a simple core message, repeat it incessantly
4) Never admit you may have been wrong
5) Divide and rule
6) Portray compliance as a civic duty
We have to hope that their huge incompetence continues – it could be our only chance of survival.
Making the same mistakes, repeatedly, is quite some feat!
It’s not incompetence. Every country is reading from the same script
“It’s not incompetence.” What is not incompetence? What “it” are you referring to exactly? Track and trace is an excellent demonstration of utter incompetence, unless you think it was put in place as pure theatre, with no intention of it “working” – this may be true.
Anyway, the main point I was making is that the government has in my view excelled at getting their message across and making it stick.
What you see as incompetence is organised looting by government and cronies.
Track and trace can never work once a virus is endemic in a population but is a nice little earner for someone.£360 billion spent on combating a virus.The NHS costs £120 billion a year to run.
The economy and sterling are being deliberately destroyed so they can be rebuilt.
These people are not that stupid.Idiocy on this scale is just not possible.
Here’s another one of these cunts telling us it’s incompetence and not some plan to destroy our civilisation and make us all do what they want when they want it. You all sound the same
And here’s another person putting words in my mouth. I wrote that the government has by any reasonable definition demonstrated incompetence in many respects, not in every respect, and nowhere did I say that “incompetence” was the sole or even primary reason for their actions, which is what I presume you mean by “it’s incompetence”.
And then I listed many things in which they have been anything but incompetent, things I think are wicked, and it was pretty obvious that’s what I thought.
If you want an “it’s”, it’s laziness, cowardice, love of easy power, desire for glory and to be the centre of attention, desire to hang on to power at all costs, arse-covering, lack of originality, groupthink, fear of disapproval, and yes there is a conspiracy to cover all this up.
As an income-generator, T&T has been an unprecedented success.
I agree but that is not necessarily a symptom of a world-wide Covid conspiracy. Every country (or at least, every country in the western sphere of influence) reads from the same script on a myriad of issues, such as immigration, ‘gender equality,’ fiat currency debasement, etc. It’s just how the western liberal elite political class are.
If you follow certain people on Twitter such as Robin Monotti Graziadei, Neil Clark, Canadian – Denis Rancourt, Australian Twitter accounts you’ll see the same modus operandi in action. Covid legislation closing small businesses under the guise of public health. Police imposing fines for opening. Protests.. Etc
It’s the same all over the world. The World Economic Forum? Who knows?
Their psychological war has been virtually flawless, and for this I have to give credit where credit is due. They have utterly transformed a free society into a proto-totalitarian society in less than 9 months.
The problems will start when physical coercion is required for millions of citizens. So far the implementation of their plans has been chaotic, clumsy and ineffective. The more extreme their demands become, the more physical intervention will be required, and the higher the risk of rebellion.
I do basically agree, but it will get much harder from here on.
Censorship and bullying police are holding the line right now.
Wait till the economic avalanche comes
Yes, I think physical coercion is where it will fall apart. People in this country will put up with a lot, but when red lines are crossed, it will get very ugly.
Absolutely- I think they have got that wrong. We have historically been a very apolitical society and not seen the social upheaval of European countries, or the political extremism.
However that has largely been because there’s always been a strong foundation of liberty comparative to other countries: a smart ruling class who have always made sure there was just enough to keep the masses happy and fed. They never pushed too far.
But under that the British working class is a nasty, snarling beast – in the best sense. The pact has been there because it had to be. They would never have got away with what happened elsewhere in the world.
As ever, I think the current governing class has absolutely no understanding of what the real thinking or the working class is in this country or just how fucking nasty they can turn if they are pushed too far.
And as for America – if they are trying the same there, get ready for a bloodbath.
I have very, very little hope for where this is going to go. Out of control is the only thing I can reliably predict.
Yes, Jake, I think you may be right about how detached the British elite has become over the years, and the new Zoom class is also out of touch with those who serve them. I would note that many in the security forces come from the working class and might not be willing to take orders from an elite that tells them to fire on their own kind. The government (and elite) might be in for a nasty surprise. We are seeing now (well, if you don’t rely on the mainstream media) what’s happening in continental Europe and it’s not peaceful. Spain looks particularly bad and I’m glad I’m not there.
7) Get the police to duff up dissenters while “taking the knee” to BML agitators.
7) Censor dissent.
8) Squash demonstrations.
9) Prevent socialising and disrupt education.
10) Mandate face nappies to dehumanise people.
11) Shunt obscene amounts of dosh into the pockets of your chums.
12) Use ridiculous distancing rules to make it impossible for many businesses to operate.
How anybody can still think after so many months that this is about a virus is simply beyond me,
Well it’s not about the World Cup is it?
PS: I’m sorry, but I get annoyed by these comments when I see them (they seem to come up on a regular basis) because you’re trying to insinuate something all the while without being straightforward.
What is “it” about then in your opinion? Because I’m still on the covid bollocks page here.
It is about increasing control of the population in preparation for a time of economic turmoil.
No, I do not agree.
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not one I share with you.
This is causing economic turmoil, but it is not being deliberately done to create economic turmoil.
I agree that it is drawing forward the events that it is intended to help control, but that was unavoidable.
As the boomers retire en masse in the next several years it will become clear that the pensions,health care and aged care, just will not be there.
I guess we will find out in the fullness of time.
The big events and processes in history are all about the control and distribution of resources.
This is about destroying the economy and rebuilding it in a zero Carbon way.Cycle lanes,windmills banning of diesel/petrol cars.Paying farmers to rewild the land rather than to grow food;these measures are just the start.Read up on agenda 21/30.Something which our government is fully signed up to.
This is fact not an opinion.
your opinion is dog shit. You keep telling people, they are entitled to their opinion like that means something. No one give a flying fuck if you think people are entitled to their opinion. I’m 100% convinced you’re some spineless government coward posting bollocks to cover any claims other than this is a virus and any mistakes in dealing with it are purely down to incompetence. Fuck you you tedious prick
Occam’s Biker.
You the man.
The World Cup of social control and totalitarianism.
Looks like England might have a chance of winning this one.
might even win on (fixed) penalties!!!
They think it’s all over, it isn’t….
Everyone’s favourite Sith Lord, Klaus Fraud, get’s a lovely interview in Euronews and speaks about how the world is going to be a better place under his control. Ahh, bless..
https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/17/world-economic-forum-founder-says-joe-biden-will-boost-multilateralism
Euronews is fluffy, superficial rubbish – the worst kind of headline news with no substance or critical analysis. How suitable. Nothing but ‘softball’ questions, I’m sure.
The following are the criteria for which Tier you’re in All revolves around positive tests. No mention of false positives!!!!
Criteria for the allocation of tiers Areas have been allocated to tiers based on the Joint Biosecurity Centre’s (JBC) analysis of the following:
• Indicator 1: Case detection rates in all age groups.
• Indicator 2: Case detection rates in the over 60s
. • Indicator 3: The rate at which cases are rising or falling.
• Indicator 4: Positivity rate (the number of positive cases detected as a percentage of tests taken).
• Indicator 5: Pressure on the NHS, including current and projected occupancy.
I love this bit:
“No rigid thresholds have been set because the key indicators need to be viewed in
the context of how they interact with each-other as well as the wider context.”
So basically they have set some measures but ultimately the decisions are made on intuition (politically).
Dart board decision making … blindfold.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939876/Analysis_of_the_health_economic_and_social_effects_of_COVID-19_and_the_approach_to_tiering_FINAL__SofS_.pdf
Quick two minute look at the doc. It really is drivel. Here’s some crap from section 2:
But no proof offered for this.
That’s the same old ‘Admissions’ lie we all know too well.
Because you shut the A&E departments.
Because GP surgeries were ordered to shut their doors.
i. I doubt that’s true. Lots of surgeries are still bolted up like Fort Knox
ii. They used a dodgy YouGov poll to say people support video appointments
As others have said; it’s a load of rubbish; obviously hastily put together. Shame on any MP if they fall for this crap.
Not got time to read it right now but even if you accept that lockdowns save lives you’d need to save millions before it was cost effective based on the money spent and QALYs
Lockdowns don’t save lives Julian. Don’t even think it.
Yes, I have no doubt you are right. But my point is that even if they did, the cost of those lives is immense and orders of magnitude greater than what we have ever spent saving lives before.
Even the government doesn’t claim that.They say they just push them further down the line
Yes. Malcolm Kendrick makes that point in his chat with Ivor Cummins on Ivor’s podcast.
It is utter dog shit. The mental health section is brief and basically says that there is nothing to see here, it’s all temporary. On the other side they try to emphasise benefits of lockdown such as air quality. It is a pathetic, simplistic and patronising document. They could have got something better from secondary school homework.
They tried but were told by a teacher that homework has been banned in case the Covids spread via exercise books.
Given that the original lockdown idea was that of a 14 year old, there is precedent.
They didn’t show the 300,000 reduction in beds which tells an interesting story
Arse covering
That sums it up nicely.
Point i) very true, and people are asking for face to face appointments, which is why we are seeing patients.
Lockdowns Work!!
Wancock just said so (The Telegraph live feed – free):
Lockdown has brought the virus “back under control,” Health Secretary Matt Hancock said today, as he announced a wider community testing programme.
Mr Hancock told the Downing Street press conference that cases have dropped by 30 per cent in England in the last week.
“This is clearly good news. It shows that the national restrictions have been successful,” he said.
“And what this means in practice is that through everyone’s actions in respecting the national lockdown, and through everything that people have sacrificed, we’ve reduced pressures on the NHS, we’ve brought down the number of coronavirus cases, we’ve got this virus back under control.”
The Health Secretary also confirmed that community testing will be expanded because of the “problem of asymptomatic transmission”.
Using Liverpool as an example, where over 300,000 people with and without symptoms got tested and case rates decreased by over three quarters, Mr Hancock said he wants “to see this sort of success right across the board so we’re rolling out community testing much more widely.”
Mr Hancock urged anyone offered a test to take it, telling them “you might just save a life”.
He told the Downing Street press conference: “If you have Covid without symptoms and still infect others that is, of course, a silent danger.
“You wouldn’t know that you’re risking lives around you.
“So to everybody: if you are offered a test please take it, you might just save a life.”
Didn’t I see somewhere that “cases” were already falling BEFORE the lockup? Of course, if “cases” rise again in the new year, this lie will give him carte blanche to impose Lockdown 3.
More shite from Grubber:
Ministers ‘looking’ at whether hospitality could refuse those who haven’t had vaccine
Matt Hancock said ministers were “looking” at whether the hospitality sector could refuse access to those who have not taken up a Covid vaccine once it becomes available.
Health minister Nadhim Zahawi, in charge of the vaccine roll-out, has said hospitality and entertainment venues may insist on seeing proof that people have had one.
Mr Hancock told the press briefing: “For a long time now we’ve been looking at the questions that minister Zahawi was talking about and the question of what’s the impact on the individual in terms of what they can do. That’s what minister Zahawi was referring to.”
But he added: “Firstly we do not plan to mandate the vaccine.
“We think that by encouraging the uptake of the vaccine we will get a very high proportion of people in this country to take up the the vaccine, because of course it protects you but it also helps to protect your loved ones and your community.”
I do like “minister Zahawi”. It the sort of label one might expect to be given to someone in the government of a banana republic or where a military junta is in power – so about right then.
‘Minister Zahawi’ sounds like the sort of person who writes me emails telling me there is one million US dollars waiting for me in a locker in Lagos airport.
Big fat lie right there.
Exactly as planned all along but we were nutters for saybthis all those months ago.
If a pub needs just one more nail to hammer into its coffin, here it is.
So, the vaccine-keen, lockdown loving, stay at home on furlough types are the same ones that go to pubs regularly are they? How many ‘F’s in ‘chance’?
So if I have the big V to go to the pub, gig, football and I have an adverse reaction and have a funny turn can I make a claim against the venue who insisted I get the big V?
Given that they’re clearly trying to completely destroy the hospitality and entertaiment industries, this seems to be rather a pointless red herring for them to be waving around.
Of course you did; it’s true.
Getting the figures down can be as simple as telling the labs to drop the CT rate for a week or two; cases will then drop, since there will be fewer FPs.
Then they just ramp up the cycles again after Christams, and off we go again.
and the spin was that the fall is all down to us all being so good and lockdown works
Hancock is a lying sack of shit.
A truckload of sacks being delivered onto the Everest of shit
Daughter mentioned that staff in the pub she works for were “invited” in to do some cleaning a couple of days ago, followed by a staff party. I am sure it is classed as a business meeting, so only a little civil disobedience!
Good for all of them.
Apart from the blatant spin and assertions in the government document, economic analysis is showing it will take 5 years to get back to unemployment rates of last year (2019)
And next year it will be almost double.
Interesting that there’s all this spin about the “dangers” of Covid but light on economic.
Aso interesting, though, is that the report uses the OBR report Sunak used last week to make his Autumn Statement, but Johnson already played those figures down saying he thinks things won’t be as bad as that.
https://order-order.com/2020/11/26/boris-disavows-treasurys-expected-obr-central-scenario-for-virus/
All the independents though, like the Institute for Fiscal Studies, for example, say things will actually be worse than the OBR forecast.
I think even this best case forecast is worse than the Great Financial Crisis. So what we have here is saying “Let’s continue to adopt these measures and we’ll beat the last record of destroying the economy!”
Protests do work:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55135995
France to rewrite police security bill after huge protests although it took footage of assault of a black man for them to reconsider.
Protests work in France, they seem to be very good at them, we could learn a lot.
They’ve had plenty of practice. They were on the streets every weekend in 2019.
French governments have been terrified of protestors ever since 1968, if not 1789.
Too late; the genie is out of the bottle. The French people will continue to protest.
I really hope so.
So any black sceptics out there prepared to act as a stalking horse?
I was wondering about that. I don’t like the playing of the race card, but needs must – if a group, even a small one, of ‘BAMEs against the Lockdown’ or some such were to demonstrate, the police would not touch them – imagine the pictures in the press if they did!!
I watched the Subject Access livestream of Saturday’s protest in London. There were plenty of black people in the march but AFAICT not one of them was grabbed, still less wrestled to the ground and punished.
Orders from Cressida, methinks. Racist much?
BAME should be safe from Cressida, it is only Brazilians she has a problem with.
I would be willing to bet my shirt that the police were given clear orders not to arrest BAMEs. I’ve heard a theory that the only reason Merkel’s Millions were allowed to enter Germany was because she did not want to risk even one picture of anguished looking people being pushed back against barbed wire fences by German police or troops.
but the big difference was that the media were supporting the protests .
I used to think Hannan in the DT had some common sense – not any more it seems!
Claims it’s “not a new lockdown and Boris is not to blame”
I’ve never much liked Hannan.
Someone else here made a comment to that effect yesterday as well.
I used to like Hannan – but very disappointed yesterday- I wonder if somebody knobbled him – by offering a safe seat, government job or some other inducement for him to tone things down a lot
I think he’s always been a bit that way.
There’s a reason people have called him a Judas Goat for some time …
lol, I’ve not heard that one before.
Recently I have been writing to my MP once a week and every time I point out one of Matt Hancocks mistruths and call him a liar. If you want to do the same I don’t mind.
Thanks for an excellent article. I’ve commented at length here:
https://cliscep.com/2020/11/30/herd-mentality-versus-herd-immunity/
Good one!
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1333471930918334466?s=20
Refers to this, I think, Tom:
Exception 13: protests
Exception 13 is that the gathering is for the purposes of protest and—
(a) it has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body or a political body, and
(b) the gathering organiser takes the required precautions in relation to the gathering.
Wonder what “required precautions” means and whether it will applied equally to all forms of protest
it’s actuallly exception 14. looks like it wont apply to the usual Saturday protests unless we get the National Trust (or BLM!) to organise it. And anyway part b means the police can always break it up for not being masked or distancing. So Liberty have done sweet FA
It’s 13 in one part (page 52) and 14 in two parts (pages 24, 37). Agree with you though.
I hope protester organisations are on the ball with 13(a).
I wonder what the “required precautions” are?
Either way, I guess we have to be grateful for any ounce of freedom our globalist overlords grant us.
Weasel words. I was at Trafalgar Square an Speaker’s Corner at end of October. The Met waded in with sticks not because we were protesting per se but because the event was breaching it’s own risk assessment I.e not enough anti-social distancing and muzzle wearing so in breach of C19 regulations giving them licence to behave like brown shirts and incidentally shut down protest. The above changes nothing though might be enough to buy off the CRG again.
Not sure how much credit Liberty can take if this is a big change. They’ve been pretty silent for the last 6 months.
Actually, Charles Walker said he had hopes of a change after his one man protest in the HOC the other day. I think he told Talk Radio he was hopeful, after a meeting with Priti Useless/
Exception 14: protests (20)
Exception 14 is that the gathering is for the purposes of protest and—
(a)it has been organised by a business, a charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body or a political body, and (b)the gathering organiser takes the required precautions in relation to the gathering.
https://twitter.com/actionhappiness/status/1333354915192770560/photo/1 This country gets more precious every day
Oh dear. I suppose they could be promoting something more harmful though.
That made me barf.
They are determined to make the vaccine a two way street. this is clearly based on the successful uptake of mask usage:-
because of course it protects you but it also helps to protect your loved ones and your community.
This flipping of the script is nonsense. If someone has a vaccine they are protected. That should be the end of it.
Sick of the protection racket, people are getting so pathetic
If it works.
And you would never need it anyway if you are already immune.
As for myself, I am not having a vaccine for a cold.
Perhaps I should create a new t-shirt for us to wear: “Fuck you. I don’t care about your health. Shove your vaccine up your arse.”
Yes,I like that.
I like the cut of your jib
I appreciate that you are a placid, bucolic creature, Mabel, but it needs to be a bit more sweary.
I WANT ONE!!!!!!
Even the flu vaccine poster I saw in my GP’s today (they had flu vaccine bunting up too – nauseating) said on it – “Help protect yourself and those around you in one shot”.
The candidate covid vaccines AREN’T BEING TESTED TO SEE IF THEY INTERRUPT TRANSMISSION. Anyone who asserts they “protect your community” is doing so without evidence.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037
The bar for “efficacy” has been set VERY low. At best, it might make mild symptoms milder; at worst, it might maim or kill you. This is why the NPIs are not going away because even masked up and vaccinated you might still kill granny.
Can anyone spot the problem here remembering this is all the same people:
– met up, no social distancing, no masks, handshakes and cheek kisses all round
– cortege arrives, masks on (not me or wife), into cars
– church services, masks on, not vicar
– into cars masks on
– get to crematorium, masks off outside while waiting and chatting
– masks on, quick service, out to flowers
– masks off, chatting, hand shakes, no social distancing
– time up, masks on, into cars, go back to house
– in house, no masks, no social distancing, food, drinks, hugs and kisses again all round
And only me and Mrs Awkward could see the farcical nature of this until the conversation came round as it does to what is going on then only some but not all began tovquestion after a bit of thinking.
Also been to a funeral recently; experienced exactly what you did. Hardly a soul commented on it.
It’s as if it has now become natural, normal behaviour.
Mrs C. and I just shook our heads.
It’s group madness. All I can think of.
AG, compared to the unmitigated shite we are being subjected to these days even Bohemian Rhapsody makes sense.
It certainly is. I think history will record the Covid era as the first truly global outbreak of mass hysteria. I don’t think it would have happened without the internet and the 24-hour news cycle. Hopefully lessons will be learned from this fiasco, but I’m not hugely optimistic about that.
I read recently about the printing press achieving huge anti-witch hysteria so maybe certain things never change.
‘a bit of thinking’,that is the simple thing that is severely lacking in the population.
Is it because Rona wasnt invited to the wake?
My father in law passed on April and from then any form of rules among my extensive family was binned.
I am a vaccine enthusiast. My children were all vaccinated. I have just looked at the NHS guidance:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-safe-and-important/
Things you need to know about vaccines
Vaccines:
Do
See third bullet: “Vaccines get safety tested for years before being introduced.”
That is very reassuring. I understand that it is also possible to sue the manufacturers of vaccines which damage people.
So if any Covid-19 vaccine is rolled out for mass vaccination it will have been tested for years and the manufacturers will be liable for any damage done?
Why are the professional journalists asking the right questions?
The SARS-CoV-2 vaccine manufacturers have no liability when things go wrong, that has already been made clear.
They’ve hit the nail on the head with the ‘get safety tested for years before being introduced’. I think I’ll print that off and pass it to my surgery when they ask if I want a covid vaccination. I’ll tell them I’ll wait for years for mine so as not to invalidate this NHS information.
If they offer the AstraZenece one (the monkey shit derived one), they might argue it has been in development for years, but yes, not tested.
#MeToo!
And me! Have just saved the text and the URL ready for formatting and printing. Thanks, Stoic.
Yep – I’m fully jabbed up. Even got my little stamp to say I have had Yellow Fever jab for travel. But I’m not being a guinea pig for a vaccine that doesn’t really prevent a disease that is almost no risk whatsoever to me. It’s just not going to happen.
Not asking the right questions?!
Which questions would you ask?
Has the vaccine been safety tested for years and can I sue the vaccine manufacturer if I am damaged?
As far as I am aware, no and no.
No and no. £120K fixed payment for damages.
Not doubting the veracity of your comment Sarigan but please could you post a link for that information so I can put it on FB? Thank you.
A one-off payment of £120,000 if you’re left ‘severely disabled’. Doesn’t sound like adequate compensation to me:
https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment
Two other potential issues – if you get the payment, chances are it will limit your benefit eligibility; pretty difficult presuming you will be in a situation that makes working difficult!
Also, look at the exemption under influenza-type vaccines: “except for influenza caused by a pandemic influenza virus”. Hmmm….
Absolutely – agreed!
Plus:
Why is it necessary for a disease with an alleged IFR rate of 0.1 % max, to which we are all increasingly immune anyway.
If someone is wearing a mask to avoid a fine then ok.
However, anyone who wears a mask as matter of choice is a handmaiden of totalitarianism.
…and they deserve to be treated as such.
I wear a mask when I am on the children’s oncology ward where my daughter has her chemotherapy, out of choice because I think it makes a degree of sense in such a setting. I have to wear a face covering, a thin snood, in the couple of shops in our village because of what we do but it is useless and obviously so but I don’t have any choice unfortunately.
Yes Will – compelling circumstances.
Best Wishes for your daughter.
Yes indeed, best wishes for a speedy recovery for your daughter, Will
We are crossing our fingers but the Calcinosis seems to be receding. It certainly doesn’t appear to be getting worse, and the side effects have not been too bad. She has her last infusion next week.
The only place I ever wear one it the little local shop around the corner from me. Just because the guy who runs it doesn’t speak English well enough to understand why I won’t wear one, and I like him and the shop is handy so I don’t want to fall out with him. It’s my only concession – and I wear a scarf pulled up slightly over my mouth rather than an actual mask. Everywhere else I just don’t wear one. There’s usually the same man – well boy, really – on the door at my local supermarket who now knows me and has stopped asking if I need a mask after a couple of time of me saying “I don’t do masks”. He just nods at me now.
Who is paying for the £500 bonuses for all Scottish healthcare staff costing £180m?
English taxpayers I assume.
To add to the Sir Tom Moore raised money they have pocketed.
Bank of England funny money.
NEW PODCAST!
Ep.14 We’re No Strangers To ‘R’
Desc: This week the boys get together via Zoom to talk about the R number, anti-lockdown protests in London, the Danish mask study, censorship plus our favorite biscuit. There’s also some marvellous songs for you to enjoy!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
In this episode we also feature a song in the style of ‘Never gonna Give You Up’ by Rick Astley. The lyrics are as follows:
We’re no strangers to R
You don’t know the rules,
And nor do I!
You in a low prevalence area,
And so your ‘R’ rate will always be denied,
If you own a pub or restaurant now,
Boris wants you to understand…
Never gonna open you up,
Always going close you down,
Always gonna bleed your bank dry,
And desert you,
Never gonna hear your cries,
As your industry dies,
But I’ll always tell a lie,
And desert you.
Listen to the song and podcast here:
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
The new Coronavirus tiers regs have just been laid before Parliament;
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/made/data.pdf
There are 75 pages and so it is a lot for MPs to digest before discussion and vote tomorrow.
They open with the justification;
These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARSCoV-2) in England. The Secretary of State considers that the restrictions and requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to that threat.
To my mind, never mind the 75 pages, that justification alone should be sufficient for any MP with integrity to reject them as no such threat exists and the proposals are not proportionate. That is what I suggested to my MP but little chance he will take any notice
My MP has just said on twitter that there are 4 Covid patients in hospital in our large town, down from last week when there were 8.
Let’s hope he follows that to it’s sane conclusion.
It is difficult to take a document seriously with a complete nonsense opening statement like that. I feel similarly when any speech or interview involves phrases like ‘the biggest threat to our country since WW2’.
Sadly lots of people are still so brainwashed they believe this stuff.
It is the biggest threat.Its just it’s the government not the virus.
Cuban Missile Crisis? Threat of nuclear war with Soviet Union? That’s what I spent my youth worrying about. We reckomed to be able to hold up USSR for four days before going nuclear. There were 150 of us living in’t shoe box …
It was a threat.This is happening
love it. tempted to put one on the pavement outside my house
In future years when we have won this battle, and we will, then the key questions to ask someone, in order to get an insight into character wii be:
Did you support lockdowns?
Did you ‘socially distance’?
Did you wear a mask voluntarily?
Make notes now of who is doing what.
I have already made a mental list of the friends who I think are particularly likely to pretend that they never complied with any of it, even though I know they have.
Me too, and I have a very long memory.
Everyone I know apart from one person has worn a mask voluntarily.
Isolation is my new normal regardless of the outcome.
Sadly every single person in my .local Sainsburys tonight, first time I’ve seen that since July 24th
The sole maskless person in my local Tesco just now. Thought I spotted one other person but when I got closer, she was wearing one of those bloody visors.
Anyone know anyone who voted for Blair?
How many Nazis could be found in Berlin in 1946 ?
Was challenged by the masked young cashier at my supermarket, just as I was paying, for not wearing a mask. I answered, what’s the point as I am about to leave and if it was company policy to challenge customers when they are at the checkout. After some mumbling she admitted it was not company policy.
I was quite angry and she apologised. I mentioned that government guidelines say one should not get challenged. I think I had this experience with her before. I wanted to say to her: so you have just decided by yourself to challenge customers? but did not want to cause a scene.
If I get her again and this happens again, I will ask for a supervisor.
I am quite surprised how angry it made me.
Another jobsworthy who sees it as their civic duty to mind other people’s business!
I would have reported her. No quarter should be given to these people.
Spot on I’m afraid the time for nicey nicey response to stuff like that IS long gone.
It’s when it doesn’t make you angry that you need to worry.
Just received a text from my GP surgery inviting me to book for a flu vaccine next Saturday – or I can decline it if I wish. Given flu is a bigger killer than COVID it is interesting that all the talk of mandated vaccines is about the COVID one. Couldn’t possibly be because they have ordered so much of the COVID vaccines could it (five doses for everyone) whilst the flu vaccines are a bit harder to come by (the same GP practice texted me a couple of weeks ago stating that they were having difficulty getting the flu vaccine)?
NHS Trust locally has just stopped vaccinating staff for flu in preparation for the covid vaccine as there has to be a gap of at least a week. It will also free up staff to concentrate on one.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/made/data.pdf
Guess what is says right at the end?
“No impact assessment has been prepared for these Regulations.”
Wankers. They know the impacts full well.
So all this nonsense about full assessment of the costs being the deal breaker. Disgraceful.
Jon Ashworth even said on Talk Radio Labour would not decide on the new tiers until ‘they’d see the detail’. So now there is none…
Yeah right Jon you knob.
This is too well written, above the standard of others – a very dangerous document.
‘Boris Johnson has urged would-be rebels not to “take our foot off the throat of the beast”, ahead of tomorrow’s vote on new restrictions.’
Oh fuck off with these absurd and tedious sub-Dickens metaphors. Who actually buys this shite?
You mean George Floyd?
PM makes ghastly, racist reference to George Floyd murder, and has to resign…
Well it works perfectly if you consider that we the people are the “beast”.
I took it that way too.
He then went on to say we must keep our foot on the accelerator.How is this man the leader of the country
interesting pedal arrangement in his car . Accelerator , Brake, Throat of beast.
explains why he is driving us off a cliff
It’s a good indication that he is bullshitting.Is anyone listening though
Because :
(a) The wankers in the raddled collection of has-beens in the so-called ‘Tory Party’ voted for him as leader
and
(b) Sufficient dozy wankers gave him a majority in the general election at the bidding of the MSM
PM makes ghastly, racist reference to George Floyd murder, and has to resign…
‘The beast’ being, presumably, liberal capitalist western Christian civilization.
I’d love to put my throat on his throat. He really is a fucking grade A buffoon. A very dangerous one unfortunately for us.
foot?
My useless MP for one.
This odious lecher’s foot is on MY throat!
Those Portuguese Court of Appeals judges – the ones who declared PCR tests to be unreliable – are to be “investigated.” Deeply sinister https://www.portugalresident.com/portuguese-judges-who-queried-reliability-of-covid-tests-at-risk-of-being-disciplined/
Earmarked for re-education.
terrifying times we live in
Massively sinister if true.
If true – also a massive confirmation of the sinister nature of the official narrative. International fascism – no less.
And today Von Leyden promised 5,6 Billion Euros to Portugal tomorrow. But the Portuguese know fascism, and have learned to play hard to get. So let us see.
I hope you are right my friend. Portugal is top of the list when we next can travel.
Me too! But only if it’s ‘safe’ (from fascism and ‘maskism’).
So much for an independent judiciary!
Kind of sums up the comments in the BBC vaccine articles. Do these people value life in any way? His major worry is getting away on the holiday he booked.
Priorities! SMH.
you would want the first one before you go so that when you get the adverse reaction you will be in a country where you might get decent healthcare
or maybe he could pass away en route/in sunny climes somewhere?
“Rodders” hasn’t got a clue. What a pillock.
‘He who dares, Rodders, he who dares!’
Aw… he thinks that he will be allowed on holiday early next year. Wish I could be that optimistic.
I wonder if “rodders” is Rodney Trotter?
LOL- Beebsheep are basically bots.
‘2-jabs’ was a nickname applied to ‘Two-Jags’ Prescott after he punched a voter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqWFDXTkus
And Prescott’s security jumped in before said voter could punch him back.
Powerful:
https://vimeo.com/485062851?fbclid=IwAR0Mn0gubL0rlUKS8VmOOazDAopz6zscvLtSdz4RG5Nugy3ZlrK-WotGFUg
Just got the response from my MP. To spare you the trouble of reading it I will paraphrase.
We are so close to a solution – the vaccine – it would be a shame to jeopardise that now.
Why bother?
Except it has already been widely admitted that the vaccine will not be a solution.
This particular MP is clearly as thick as shit. I suspect many of his colleagues are no better.
Yep. “The vaccine is just a tool in the toolbox”.
You mean you agree with that?
Quote marks. Not too good at reading are you. Or should I say you read in to something what you want to.
I think the vaccine could either be used as the government’s get out of jail card – ie, it’s all over once people start taking it – or it could be just another variation on ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’. The vaccine is just around the corner! Oh dear it doesn’t work – back to lockdown everyone – but the new, better vaccine will be here by 2022! Etc.
Did you see this? The vaccine is just a stepping stone:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8994911/Town-halls-harvest-millions-personal-details-including-youre-unfaithful-debt.html
“it’s all over once people start taking it”.. yeah.. literally..
My MP here in NE Hants, Mr Ranil (no nothing) Jayawardena, used to at least respond to my efforts with a standard party line letter but now he seems to have run out of paper.
Bet he is also praying the vaccine will get him out of this mess. What a tool. From the toolbox.
Hello fellow North East Hampshire constituent! Mr Jayawardena has also stopped sending me infuriating generic replies. Maybe we should send him some paper?
The vaccine has been the ‘solution’ since the first lockdown. Too many Sage members are in the pay of big pharma
Your MP should do the right thing and accept the unwanted doses rejected by their constituents.
Can anyone suggest any witty alternatives to the innane “hands, face, space”.
Mine are all quite rude and a bit sweary unfortunately, like “Balls! Arse! Farce!”
Any Whitty alternative would be good.
Back sack crack
Boris is resembling him more as each day goes by!
Great opportunity for someone to photoshop ……
Nobs Robs Jobs
Join HANDS, uncover your FACE, share your SPACE
Excellent!
Someone else came up with “Hold hands, show face, embrace.”
My hands, my face, my space.
I had a kind of commentary.
– HANDS off our liberty.
– FACE it, masks don’t work.
– SPACE is where the Prime Minister is now orbiting.
Katie Hopkins had one on her YouTube channel today I think it was Tits -shits and halfwits
Anyone else noticed that the “analysis” put out by the government references the 4000 deaths a day slides? (Ref26)
Which analysis please? Is this their tier cost/benefit bollocks?
Anal – ysis.
yup — https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939876/Analysis_of_the_health_economic_and_social_effects_of_COVID-19_and_the_approach_to_tiering_FINAL__SofS_.pdf
Thanks – I think. Reading this is probably going to make me angry.
Oh it’s dreadful… but it’s so dreadful that it’s almost amusing — were it not quite so devastating that it’s come from our govt. The worst bits include a section on Mental Health impacts that discusses how these will include large rises in PTSD as a result of exponential growth in cases, completely missing the point; and also the extent of their economic “analysis” consisting of stating how it’s too difficult for them to actually do any economic analysis
Honestly, the more dreadful it is, the better for us. Might be enough to finally convince some of the wavering MPs that their govt are full of sh*t.
One hopes. Sadly, too many MPs are thick as shit and have been parachuted in based purely on party loyalty, not merit.
Agree – we have seen too many thick-as-shit ministers being pushed out to speak on MSM
Confirmed. Red mist rising, had to stop. The amount of spin was sickening. My last action was to search the document for “suicide”. It doesn’t even appear.
I can’t bear to look at it. In what context? Claiming that LD2 saved 3600 deaths per day?
Haha nope. It’s worse than that. It reads:
“Correspondingly, hospital bed occupancy due to COVID-19 continued to increase steadily during this period. By the end of October, it was on a trajectory to exceed total NHS capacity in England within weeks.” And then references the slides (which still show 4000) as the evidence
Here in Lisbon: https://www.portugalresident.com/government-turns-blind-eye-to-business-owners-staging-hunger-strike-by-steps-of-parliament/
The resistance is building.
The scenes in Europe are getting more stark as the weeks go by.
They won’t care – it will just make the planned de-population happen all the quicker.
I can’t believe what we’re going through, I really can’t.
So they are going to be mass testing all and sundry, targeting students in particular, with a dodgy 30 minute test. That will get the ‘cases’ number right up to show how relaxing at Christmas was a ‘disaster’ and why lockdowns are so necessary. Surely they won’t get away with that?
So what happens to a student who gets a positive? Solitary confinement? Bread and water for Christmas dinner?
The excuse is that they can isolate now and “safely” go home for Christmas in two weeks. Of course the smart ones I know are either at home or in private accomodation.
A ‘case’ does not mean he is infective’ particularly if it from a (discredited) PCR test. If it was my son, he would be welcomed with open arms and hugs.
100% agree.
The students need to refuse to go back.
https://youtu.be/t6j9tN1I2ls?t=11304
(Should start at relevant point, 3.07 hrs in)
I have heard a local care company is going to start testing staff every week soon. Not sure if its a PCR or a LF Test. Every WEEK!
Also if a person tests positive they don’t need to be tested for another 90 days. Which is strange.
I think that’s because the PCR can pick up dead virus for 90 days. Its that powerful at picking crap up.
yep….so if you have had the sniffles 90 days prior to the claus swabb test you get a chicken dinner!
Actually this is the first time I have heard official guidance giving any acknolodgement to what looks like antibodies.
In other news:
Sheffield City Council has warned care home providers not to use the government’s much-hailed rapid COVID tests over doubts about their accuracy.
Excellent piece by Mike Yeadon in today’s update. I know both Liverpool and Manchester very well, having worked in both cities, and it seems to me highly improbable that the prevalence of Covid-19 would be different in the two areas. The difference in infection rates shown in the official stats is probably explained by different testing regimes – lateral flow vs PCR. I also suspect that the slight increase in excess deaths over the 5-year average for November is probably explained by increased numbers of heart attacks, strokes, delayed/interrupted treatments for cancers, etc., i.e. mortality directly attributable to the lockdown. Not that the government would admit to any of this, but hopefully somebody will carry out an independent study and bring the truth to light.
They actually blamed the working classes in Liverpool on the BBC last week for the fact that not enough people have got tested. They said something along the lines of “they are a tougher nut to crack” as if it’s Dan Walkers job these days to convince people to get tested on behalf of BJ
I’m fed up of the science narrative. As if that’s justification for the destruction of the economy and civil liberties.
I’ve just been to the local Tesco drop-in store for my weekly shop. I’ve gotten over my fear of appearing “naked” in public by now and nobody has as yet challenged me for it, so all was cool.
At one point I was stood in a corner looking for cheese spread and noticed a masker to my left approaching out of the corner of my eye. He was clearly spooked and rather than walking past he was pacing around nervously at the side of me. I chuckled internally and decided to prolong his agony by lingering a little longer at the shelf.
I turned to a young woman who was stacking the shelves around the other side and asked her if they had any Dairylea. I was pleasantly surprised to see that she was similarly displaying bare-cheeked face. And no they only had what was on the shelves.
I always find it reassuring to see other people wearing nothing on their faces in public. The young woman didn’t convey any hint as to what she might have been thinking, but seemed to look at me quite intently while she was talking. It was a pleasant exchange.
I was out walking along a lane near my village today. I was the only person as far as the eye could see. Along comes a man – not wearing a mask – but looking like he’s doing his ‘daily exercise’ rather than going anywhere in particular. About fifty yards ahead of me, he starts moving to his left, then when he gets to about twenty yards, he walks onto the verge as far away from me as he can. I held my line down the middle of the lane, smiled and said ‘Good afternoon!’ to him. He gave me a scared/angry/confused look and hurried on…
I have tried to find some carefully chosen words, gravid with meaning and carrying the full import of my reponse. Here they are: Fuck him.
My stock response is to say: ‘I haven’t got leprosy, you know.’
If you’re ever looking for something a bit shorter, Simon, try “Wanker !”.
Nobody does this weird swerving in my town anymore. I don’t miss it!
Ha! Hilarious. Cheese spread as a metaphor for the intellectual level of the masked shopper. The supermarket a Serengeti of evolution in action
The trouble with face masks: Protective coverings DO make it harder to talk to people and can lead to feelings of stress and isolation, survey reveals
Research from the University of Manchester found wearing a covering makes lip-reading impossible; removes non-verbal communication, such as facial expressions; and muffles sound.
Comes into the category of “the bleeding obvious”, clearly, but nevertheless it appears the government and the bulk of the scientific, social and cultural elites of this country are too functionally stupid to grasp it.
Hey, there’s no evidence they work at all, and it’s obvious they are costly in lots of ways, but we must make them compulsory, because “if it saves one life”….
The C4 series about Paddington station at the moment demonstrates that excellently. Employee talking to the camera and microphone in a mask and I could barely make out what he was saying. Sadly I get the impression that that series is going out of its way to promote muzzles, I enjoyed the last series but not this one.
Attempt to use totally unconnected TV series for ‘incidental normalization’.
Standard propaganda device.
Making it dfficult to forge human connection?
Sounds like it’s ‘working’ to me.
because “if it saves one life”….and even if it threatens many more ….
I can’t believe Simon Dolan’s judgement is handed down after the vote. Can nobody at the courts leak it?
Simon is part of the act, much like baron toby young. Fake opposition fighting a fake virus.
Should have done it Friday night to test the waters. “Courts considering upholding lockdown”
Might not be a bad thing. If the outcome is as we expect and not what we hope then it could have spooked those who are on the verge of finding their backbone.
Actually I doubt that many MPs are even aware of the case.
Transgender CofE minister who was born female reports conservative Christian to the police for branding his marriage to a woman ‘evil and wicked’
The Rev Alex Clare-Young has reported evangelical Christian Ben John to North Yorkshire police who are now investigating his 15-minute video rant as an alleged hate crime.
Bear in mind the current proposals are to bring this disgraceful offence against the most basic of liberties into the home, allowing offence-mongers and people who can’t bear disapproval or dissent, and can’t win arguments for themselves, to report even private dinner table conversations to the police. And as we’ve seen with protesting, these laws and the consequent police harassment will be directed only in the direction of suppressing dissent from elite opinion, never in the other direction.
Once you concede the principle of free expression of opinion, there is no strong line to hold. “Hate speech”.always was and is the end of free speech, and has already had a profoundly warping effect on understanding of reality in our society. What opinions that are now regarded as mere common sense will, thanks to the self-serving efforts of political lobbies, be regarded as illegal to express in a couple of generations?
Just for context this is the allegedly illegal video. It is not a “rant”, it is someone explaining why they don’t agree with the CofE policy on trans identities. Maybe it is offensive for some, but most opinions are offensive to someone.
https://youtu.be/r4qBxAON1_w
I’ve observed here before that one man’s rant is another’s impassioned statement of important truth.
This feels like contrived hate stoking. Divide and rule. I have a trans friend who wants nothing to do with this. Politicians are using identity politics to stoke resentment. Free speech must be protected
Seems straightforward to me – give people laws to exploit to silence people saying things they don’t like, and some of them will exploit those laws. Been done for decades to “racists”, and even to people who aren’t remotely “racist” but just say things that can be shamelessly pretended to be “racist” – Farage was regularly threatened with being reported for “hate speech”.
In fact no less a figure than the General Secretary of the biggest trade union in Britain cynically snitched to the police in the hope he could get Farage harassed for a perfectly legitimate poster, a few years back. Doubt he ever got any serious political comeback from his lefty supporters, who mostly seem perfectly happy with snitching and using the police against their political rivals.
This case doesn’t seem to be politicians exploiting identity politics – this looks like someone trying to get someone else in trouble with the law for saying something he didn’t like.
Bad laws will be exploited by bad people. Hate speech laws should never have been enacted and must go. But at the moment, the intent is to extend them into your home.
Criminalising ‘hate speech’ in homes in England and Wales proposed by Law Commission
Did you read my comment? She agrees with you. There should be no hate speech laws like this
“Did you read my comment?”
Yes, but it appears you didn’t read my response to it. I was responding to your assertion that the event: “feels like contrived hate stoking”, by pointing out that it doesn’t look at all like that, it looks like just a nasty piece of work opportunistically exploiting a bad law that gives exactly this kind of opportunity to the contemptible.
UK Column have been on this kind of dangerous nonsense, following the Scottish Hate Crimes Bill, which we’re in danger of following in England.
Good evening sceptics. Sorry to add to the collective bad day on here but mum’s funeral was this afternoon.
It wasn’t as bad as I feared but sad to see out of a fair amount of family and a few friends I was the only one unmasked, even outside. It might have been because of mutual worries regarding the older attendees but antisocial distancing certainly frayed as the afternoon went on.
No zealots but no sceptics either, they’ve had enough of all this but don’t see any alternative either. Some annoying talk of “what tier are you in?” which is like comparing prison camps. But also complaints about WFH and the stupid diktats. We weren’t there to argue though, and everyone left on good terms.
So glad to hear this. You got through a massive hurdle. Keep going
A tough day for you, DRW. So glad it wasn’t quite as bad as you feared.
I’m glad you are over that hurdle. The funeral of a parent is such a tough time normally and these are not normal times. It seems as if your family were trying to avoid arguing about lockdown which is sensible under the circumstances.
We are all with you in spirit.
Glad there were no major additional upsets for you DRW – you should be proud of yourself for overcoming all that you have in such terrible circumstances.
Thoughts with you DRW. I am sure your mum would be so proud of you and your strength.
Obviously a very tough day for you but you came out stronger on the other side. Leaving on good terms was the best case scenario, under the circumstances. I’m sorry for your loss and am wishing better days ahead for you.
Sorry to hear of your loss. RiP
I think people generally do need leaders. In all walks of life. You can only convince them so much then they only really make their mind up on faitb
A hard day, I am sorry for your loss and hope some comfort awaits.
My condolences. I’m glad you did not run into problems with zealotry, but I did not anticipate you would on such a day. I was not able to attend my own mother’s funeral earlier this year and think you will be relieved later that you were able to attend, as sad as I’m sure it was for all of you. Sorry to hear about so many bloody masks.
Apparently there is another Jonny appeared on the scene so I have changed to Jonny S.
A bit confusing if we have the two Jonnys
So its goodnight from me and its goodnight from him.
Goodnight.
ill try add initial to my name too, oh well couldn’t figure out
Labour to abstain tomorrow apparently
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1333499074755112962?s=20
I don’t think they should have the option to abstain on such important matters as this. They either need to vote for or against, not abstain in the full knowledge that this means the vote will go through.
Agree. They have been appalling playing party politics through this.
On the other hand it would go through as a landslide if labour did vote. I have little hope for the CRG now but will what little dissent we get not be more usefully troublesome if the Govt are also without the backing of the ‘opposition’?
Not sure, I was wondering this. It will make the govt look weaker I suppose, if the proportion of aye votes is lower. Presumably that’s the Labour plan, to highlight the governmental rift?
It would certainly be mine if I were playing politics in that situation.
Abstention is tacit acceptance, just without the cajones to say so
It’s merely a political tactic. Nothing to do with the struggling electorate of course.
Cowardly to say the least – those who do not speak out acquiesce by default.
Politics in action the ‘opposition’ are going off to whimper in their woodsheds, and so the Tory rebels can rebel away and it makes no difference,oh well I guess it is the pantomime season!
oh no it isn’t!
So they are voting for tyranny.
Well yes but 40 rebels defeats the government.
But only if the opposition benches vote against, not just abstain. There are 365 tory mps.
It will severely test the rebels’ mettle.
Fu** Labour
Politicians are trying to contain the in-containable. There are a 10 nonillion (10 with 30 zeros after it) viruses on the planet. Thats 100 million viruses for every star in the universe. Ok there’s many types of viruses, but we can safely say there’s a huge number of C19 virus out there. Viruses are measured in nanometers (that 0 with 9 zeros before it) so very small. Do they seriously believe they can control something that is huge in number and minuscule? They are in the upper atmosphere and can travel from continent to continent on the wind.
It’s not a case of, if but when everybody will be exposed to this virus, and they think wearing masks and keeping 2 metres distance will save them.
I have sent my MP several emails over the last few days. I have received the below response, which addresses precisely none of my concerns, so I am going to respond again. I wondered if anyone would care to pick it apart a bit – I haven’t looked at the link she attached yet.
“Thank you for your various emails regarding the return of the tier system from December 3rd, and I do understand your disappointment that West Berkshire has been placed in Tier 2.
It is my priority that we avoid another national lockdown, and it is for this reason I will be voting for the renewed tier system tomorrow night.
I want to stress that this is not the same as voting for West Berkshire to be placed into Tier 2. It is a vote to support a reversion to a system of regional rather than national restrictions.
While the second lockdown has been effective in reducing the rate of infection locally, West Berkshire remains in similar territory to where it was just before the lockdown and the surrounding area (Reading in particular) continues to worsen. On Friday 27th November I attended a briefing with the Chief Data Scientist from Downing Street who told me that the previous months had shown that Tier 1 restrictions in West Berkshire were not sufficient to stop the virus rising sharply and presented a significant risk to primary and secondary healthcare capacity. The latest analysis can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-health-economic-and-social-effects-of-covid-19-and-the-tiered-approach
If we start from rules strong enough to keep driving down transmission of the virus from 3rd December, we can relax later. However, if we relax too early and then try to tighten the rules, the effect will be much more serious and could take us back into a national lockdown which none of us want.
We are in close proximity to areas where there is now a much higher incidence of the virus – particularly Slough, but also Reading and Oxford. The natural movement between these areas means that the virus can easily be spread to here and it is important to note also that we share the same NHS Trust as the rest of Berkshire.
The Prime Minister has provided assurances that he will be publishing detailed guidance on how an area can move down to Tier 1 and it is evident from our current rates that we are going to be strong candidates (once Reading and Oxford are under control). We know that the tiers will be revised every two weeks and, of course, I will continue to make the case that West Berkshire should be in Tier 1. Furthermore, it was announced this morning that further financial help will be provided to pubs in Tier 2, more details of which are expected imminently.
As I hope you know, we are now very close to the point of rolling out a vaccine. We know that both the Pfizer and Oxford University vaccines are >90% effective and the Government has already purchased sufficient stocks of both to vaccinate the whole nation. We are very close to the end of this thing now, so I am determined that we should not fall just before the finish line. I do not underestimate the enormity of the challenge we all still face through the challenging winter months. But as mass testing (which has a demonstrably positive impact in reducing coronavirus’ spread) and vaccines are rolled out over the coming weeks, the need for localised restrictions will gradually reduce and life can begin to return to normality by the spring.”
“ While the second lockdown has been effective in reducing the rate of infection locally, West Berkshire remains in similar territory to where it was just before the lockdown”
That worked well then!
Point made! Thanks
She’s relying on the Chief Data Scientist? Probably another modeller. Does she not look out the effing window? Bodies on streets, none. Economic meltdown, plenty.
I have told her that if she’s relying on what’s coming out of Downing Street as her only source of information she has gone down considerably in my estimation
*SNAP*
“..presented a significant risk to primary and secondary healthcare capacity.”
Not to resent the Dr’s & Nurses who do work hard for long hours, but pages & pages of dancing videos on social media would call into question the overwhelmed healthcare capacity. Has your MP ever stated, or questioned – How long are we supposed to protect NHS capacity for? given that we know treatment is being restricted for even very serious conditions (cancers, heart problems) in many parts of the country.. goodness knows what the official waiting list backlog is, it was north of 15 million about 3-months ago
“We are in close proximity to areas where there is now a much higher incidence of the virus..”
This is particularly interesting – the PCR test is not able to determine infectiousness, even the DHSC admitted that, see Akward Git’s FOIA response posted previously. Also Prof. Allyson Pollock told the BBC national news exactly this. She’s linked to Uni. of Newcastle https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2020/10/testandtraceservice/)
“We know that both the Pfizer and Oxford University vaccines are >90% effective..” Hmmmm! see Dr Kendrick’s interviews & blogs, where he seriously questions the vaccine trials.
“mass testing (which has a demonstrably positive impact in reducing coronavirus’ spread..”
Again – PCR does not find infectious people, has an undefined false positive rate according to questions answered in Parliament; asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible – a disease requires defined symptoms! (Yeadon) plus there’s the fact that ‘mass testing’ does not cure people of covid, any more than it cures them of influenza, TB, HIV, heart disease, ……
Just dropped the car at the local mechanics not far from where I live and walked back home. The virtual signalling NHS rainbows have all but disappeared – just on one house that I noticed. There is something quite telling in this I think – a broad shift in perspective in a fairly “liberal” left community.
I noticed that a while back – there were some houses in my village that were almost shrines to the NHS, but there are hardly any rainbows etc now. I think people gradually lost interest after the Nightingale hospitals were quietly shut down and the ‘clap for carers’ stuff ended.
Michael Yeadon is persuasive but in an era where the slightest error is pounced on to produce the grounds emit wholesale dismissal he could do with an editor. (I’d be happy to help out, gratis.)
These cannot both be true:
1). “We were invited to “Save the NHS” by the expedient of not attending hospitals or seeing our doctors: soon both were heavily restricted and have remained so ever since.”
2). “Hospitals were open and, for the most part, extremely busy…”
I’m wholly onside with Michael and this site; little things like this give ammunition to the other side, which can pounce on them to discredit the wider message.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-covid-science-wars1/
These attacks and others like them have led at least some scientists to self-censor, for fear their contrarian positions would leave them open to reputational damage that could potentially threaten their careers. One epidemiologist told us the environment was “too toxic” to talk to us, even anonymously. The British journalist Laurie Clarke reported similar difficulties when she tried to interview epidemiologists who questioned the majoritarian views regarding population-based lockdowns. One expert told her via e-mail that “putting your head above the parapet is a dangerous thing to do at the moment”.
Information on vaccine.
https://www.facebook.com/110515374208584/videos/2767574416889932
Don’t worry, folks. If we can just get through the Crashout Implementation Period without too much starvation, riot and death then Covid and lockdowns will soon be a thing of the past.
Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement Officers are getting in some good practice at the moment in re-educating protesters and will be swiftly repurposed for their more testing duties after January 1st.
Please stop conflating Brexit with lockdown. It really is nonsense.
Hear hear
Oh God, you moronic remainers…
The economic effect of a no-deal Brexit would be about 3 or 4% off GDP.
We’ve already had 12% off in response to a bad case of the sniffles and the zero-carbon policy will take us back to the stone age.
They had fire in the Stone Age.We won’t be allowed even that
Putting aside the logical economic case of staying in the EU, one of the other reasons I voted remain was because I didn’t trust the mendacious, corrupt public schoolboys who were so keen to bulldoze Brexit through.
It’s these same scumbags who are now turning this country into a repressive, tin pot, banana republic fuelled by rampant cronyism.
And before you say Labour would have been just as bad, don’t bother, because I agree.
The thing that really needs a “great reset” is the political system here in the UK as it has not been fit for purpose for a long time.
Anybody who trusted the likes of Johnson – unquestionably one of the biggest liars we have ever seen in British politics – should be careful not to throw stones in glass houses by calling others moronic.
If your case depends on pretending the Eurocrats are less corrupt and somehow less contemptible than our own lot, you clearly aren’t very familiar with them.
There’s a reason there are bigger riots and demos in France and Germany than here, and it’s not because their governments have been worse than ours on the coronapanic – they haven’t. It’s because there have been serious problems building in those countries for decades which, alongside the inevitable next Euro crisis, will most likely see the core EU states self-combust before too many years go by.
No defence of the Eurocrats here. I just don’t think accountability or democracy in the UK exist, so on balance, i’d rather be part of a vast free trade area, of which we have a lot of influence.
I think we’ll just have to see how it plays out, although obviously the Covid situation has now thrown everything into a new territory.
There has never ever been a “logical economic case” for us to have anything to do with the EU. Membership is the biggest foreign policy mistake this country made since blundering into the First World War.
You’ve just compared EU membership to this:
WW1: Britain incurred 715,000 military deaths (with more than twice that number wounded), the destruction of 3.6% of its human capital, 10% of its domestic and 24% of its overseas assets, and spent well over 25% of its GDP on the war effort between 1915 and 1918 (Broadberry and Harrison, 2005). Yet that was far from the sum of the losses that the Great War inflicted on the British economy; economic damage continued to accrue throughout the 1920s and beyond.
Oppose the EU by all means, but don’t be so silly.
I voted remain and I’m definitely not a moron. Nor do I think people who voted Leave are morons either. It’s this divisiveness again, like left vs right. It would never occur to me not to be friends with someone because of their political leanings, or their Brexit vote, provided we had a good friendship. But apparently these days it’s unthinkable…
You made a really good comment earlier that had nothing to do with Brexit. Foolishly I thought you had left your obsession behind. BTW I voted to Remain.
Mark Harper and the CRG are not happy. Not that I have much hope that anything will change, but it’s better than nothing I suppose.
From Twatter:
Soon after its publication, the Govt’s analysis seems to be collapsing under the glare of scrutiny. Before the current lockdown, incorrect death and hospital capacity modelling was leaked into the public domain to justify it.
We have asked repeatedly for the information that supports these hospital projections and 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚𝙚𝙣 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙝𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜. We are now seeing that, once again, the wheels are coming off the Government’s arguments
He and Steve Baker are basically out-and-out sceptics now.
Good. Baker was lied to and made to look a fool just prior to Lockdown 2, having a personal fake stars presentation at No 10. Don’t think he has or will forgive Bozo for that.
I do hope not!
The only thing keeping Johnson in power is that no one else wants the job.
Wanksock will fancy himself as the great white hope when the vaccine is rolled out
with Labour abstaining only Govt loyalists will vote for this tiers aka lockdown
Laura Perrins is fast becoming one of my all time heroines
Better opposition than the whole of the Labour party. Tellingly she isn’t a member of the authoritarian anti-freedom Conservative party.
Yes, Johnson said the same, in fact he said he would eat his ID card if it ever happened
Anyone able to dig up the quote with a link?
It was an article he wrote for the Telegraph in 2004.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3613116/Ask-to-see-my-ID-card-and-Ill-eat-it.html
paywall
Here you go, my friend.
https://www.boris-johnson.com/2004/11/25/id-cards/
Even better. Thank you.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3613116/Ask-to-see-my-ID-card-and-Ill-eat-it.html
I’m still waiting for the cunt to die in a ditch
I’ll have fireworks and champagne ready for that day.
Well done Laura! We
need much more of this vigorous opposition to these 1984 Passports.
Agreed. I’m also starting to find her really quite attractive!
Laura described Boris to James Delingpole on his podcast as follows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cABqG-BO9k8 32 minutes in.
Love her!
Added to which of course that reported domestic violence incident which the police attended and then denied ever having received a call ou. It took a journalist to point out the number plates of the police cars that attended and show the met call out sheet marked as attended. Senior Police officer said he hadn’t realised that!!
Good to see New York is starting to have anti-lockdown rallies – for some reason most New York residents seem to passionately support lockdown and mask wearing despite the state of the city. Democrat strongholds seem to equal lockdown fanatics. Shame only a hundred or so attended, but it’s a start! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsB3oS349m8
New York is the home of hypochondria.
Also an Antifa stronghold, unfortunately they feel the need to hold counter demonstrations and attack protestors who don’t support the Mayor and Governors fanatical stance.
We have the Orthodox Jews on our side in New York.
The Orthodox Jewish community have been the only source of hope in New York. They shun mask wearing and now have social gatherings – really admire them for standing up to the authorities.
so good to hear , finally ! , trump was right! the only democrat if he is one i’d trust now is robert f kenndey jr no one else
Nice to see more scepticism in Blue America with this plus the west coast and NYS last week.
From Facebook
CJ Hopkins
Vanessa Beeley
A family in Bonn was quarantined because one family member tested positive. They received the letter below on November 21 … “I threaten you with direct coercion. For you, this means that, even against your will, using physical force if necessary, I will ensure that you comply with the above orders. Do not leave the quarantine area. Alternatively, compulsory placement in a secure quarantine station can be ordered.”
Does this sound like we’re living in a democracy to you?
From Allbrecht Müller, Nachdenkseiten
Nazi Germany returns. Thanks to Pharma
I don’t think this has been posted yet – decent piece by Malcolm Kendrick today rubbishing the 3rd wave hysterics.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/508240-scaremongering-covid19-fading-virus
Thanks, leggy. Good bloke, Malcolm is.
Could see he is still angry telling Ivor Cummins the story of two of his patients who died (from Sepsis) after the NHS refused to admit them in the Spring. He said they only finally got taken in after he jumped up and down and screamed and shouted. You could see it still makes him emotional.
Was wondering if the families would have a case against the NHS and the Government for negligence of that sort, especially with Kendrick as a witness. He says the would have lived had they been hospitalised earlier.
Heartbreaking stuff.
I think there will be. We’ve already discussed on here the personal injury lawyers’ group which has said it will begin claims cases on, I think, 9 December.
Of course. Excellent!
Ana ugglor i mossen
Indeed!
If only this would happen, would certainly focus a few minds in parliament.
MPs should take the new Covid19 vaccines first to test the safety and efficacy of them
https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/mps-should-take-the-new-covid19-vaccines-first-to-test-the-safety-and-efficacy-of-them.html
We demand that members of parliament (unless individually opposing the rushed and experimental Covid19 vaccine programmes) take the vaccines first. The process should be independently administered and monitored by whistleblowing healthcare practitioners.
One year after which the health history of MPs will be assessed and a national debate on the efficacy and safety of the Covid19 vaccines, for which the makers have been granted no liability for any illness or death, will take place.
Piers Corbyn
How about their families as well?
All administered by vaccine volunteers.
…and MPs children.
Perhaps, but again and again I keep saying this:
whether or not any vaccine is safe is entirely besides the point
In a free and democratic society citizens get to choose what goes in their bodies. No-one else.
And if you don’t want it you don’t have to have it. And you don’t have to justify that !
If the vaccines were legit. I imagine saline solutions for the politicians and celebs. I remember the photo of Sadiq Khan and the syringe with the cap still on
Latest from Ivor Cummins – detailed and cogent scientific analysis of mortality and related data with Joel Smalley, Dr Clare Craig, and Dr Jonathan Engler
CRUCIAL Episode 103: “Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth”
Great stuff!
It’s spectacularly good isn’t it.
Joel Smalley’s data analysis especially the logarithmic timeline graph showing fatal infections and interventions is superb.
You really have to watch this.
Maybe, but Salazar is well within living memory for many there. Let’s see how it pans out.
They still call a wooden spoon used to lick everything out of the saucer: Salazar. My wife bought one the other day, asked for a Salazar and was handed one without a question.
This could work in our favour. If people see this for what it truly is and protest, the cause will grow.
Nobody knows about it though – just us
Really? That’s a bit elitist!
Highly recommended the Monday Richie Allen Show. Jonny Vedman is excellent. They discuss Zahawi and his call for businesses to segregate society in 2021.
Jonny said that he’s done with the UK now and is getting out in the next week. Dark days ahead when such genuine souls see no hope.
Where would you flee to that is any better? unfortunately it is global tyranny. Even in WW2 you could run to South America and be away from the madness – no such option during WW3.
Will the judges just roll over on their whole careers by allowing that? Lines being drawn.
They should be forced to remove the no liability clause from the vaccination
False Positives, New Infections, New Cases, Misdiagnosed Cases
Perhaps the expression ‘False Positive Rate’ has been around for a while now, has worked well, but might benefit from being refreshed to support emerging factual based scientific arguments as we move into the next few months.
We now know that false positive PCR test results can be split into many different sub-groups / reasons. There are scores or very solid scientific reasons why a positive PCR test does not equal a new case/ current infection of COVID-19. Some reasons are even measurable and can be reported upon.
The enemy are raking in millions and have have sophisticated daily automated reporting which uses simple descriptions like ‘daily new cases’ or ‘daily new infections’.
We can be more scientific. It might be helpful. Ideas for new descriptions as ‘ False Positive Rate’ evolves and is split into groups might include ‘daily duplicated cases’, or ‘duplication rate’ (24% last time I looked in UK), or ‘daily non infectious cases’, or ‘probable misdiagnosed government reported cases’ There will probably be many more in the granular detail.
A methodology can be produced for each new metric. Methodologies should evolve over time.
Anyway ‘False positives’ is becoming a bit too vague. Just my thoughts.
Uncases? You’re right though, the argument would benefit from having the language shaken up to our advantage.
Thanks leggy – Yes!
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-sheffield-city-council-warns-care-home-providers-not-to-use-governments-rapid-tests-over-doubts-about-accuracy-12147500
They don’t get enough false positives
yep, it’s so obvious that’s the reason why.
Interesting couple of pieces in Scientific American, highlighting some of the intellectual atrocities in the imposition of the panic dogma.
Rather amusing that they evidently felt a need to dig up some minor supposed abuse in the other direction in Sweden to make the article feel evenhanded, when the reality of course is that it has almost entirely been a matter of resistance to panicking having been suppressed almost everywhere.
The Ioannidis Affair: A Tale of Major Scientific Overreaction
The COVID Science Wars
Shutting down scientific debate is hurting the public health
“Buzzfeed, a left-leaning media outlet, implied that a financial conflict of interest had distorted his findings. The Buzzfeed article advanced a trifecta of misleading claims: in addition to having a financial conflict, the author suggested that his science was poorly done and that he had a right-wing political agenda.”
Everything that is wrong with the Covid sphere. Hit pieces on someone who urges scientific rigour and caution, with impeccable creds, is dragged by his moustache into the murky waters of hate speech masquerading as journalism.
Can you imagine saying that you can’t go somewhere because your vax is not up to date. No wonder the ‘health service’ doesnt want any other patients than covid now, this is going to be a sick money spinner
Good. Clarity.
Labour abstaining tomorrow means this vote result is 100% on the Tories. Do not forget. And I voted for them last time round. Sorry about that! Won’t do it again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/30/labour-to-abstain-in-vote-on-covid-tiers-as-tories-threaten-to-rebel?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
It’s 100% on labour and the tories. This abstaining effort from labour is cowardice and compliance.
Like everyone else here I would much prefer Labour to vote against. But “compliance” it isn’t.
Excellent.
Let’s hope enough Tories remember they are supposed to be at least pretending to be conservatives, who don’t believe in radical, unprecedented, communalist, state-led coercive measures that crush private business and individual liberties.
But equally, whatever happens let’s not forget the total abdication of the proper role of an opposition by Labour, enthusiastically collaborating while the government drives the country down a delusional road to disaster.
well written!
I’ve been hoping all week they would abstain. It was an obvious chance for Starmer to pull it as a political stunt.
Let’s hope the Tory rebels stick to their guns and don’t go all party loyal at the last minute!
Hope so too. I sit with my small team and we are totally alone on a big floor in an office building that was previously vibrant in March 2020 with charity workers, accountants for catering businesses, insurance salesmen to businesses, and others. All on my floor.
They have all gone now.
There are 4 other floors in our building. Similar story. The Tories, formerly the party of business did this. Jeez. Our Xmas do will be either Uber Eats or Deliveroo. On me.
I bet that’s not in the impact assessment!
Yes. Also, it was not in the impact assessment of the commercial landlord when he bought into the fear back in March 2020 and sent an email to all his small / medium sized business tenants advising them to work from home and vacate the building. Yes, he wanted them all out.
It was then down to me in March to explain the concept of essential workers/ fixed IP addresses. We stayed in.
Landlord now has regrets as many tenants have gone. Oops.
Smarmer wants the incarceration, but not the full impact of the odium it will excite.
Absolutely correct. The man’s a deceitful tin pot dictator.
Revelation Of The Method
A thought proving piece from Corona Circus:
https://coronacircus.com/2020/11/21/revelation-of-the-method/
Gove added: “The truth, however uncomfortable, sets you free.”
Hahaha!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9000935/Only-THREE-hospitals-busier-winter-data-shows.html
Thanks for posting. Good on the Mail! They have done a few good articles. There is hope that eventually people will catch up to what was flipping obvious months ago.
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugw8Jvs7TiRMLWo-I8l4AaABCQ
I wouln’t normally link to this Youtube channel (owner is a lockdown zealot and europhile). However, the headline of the Telegraph article he is commenting on is worth noting.
I got ” this page isn’t available “.
I did the writing to my MP over the weekend (for the 5th or 6th time I think) – Neil Hudson, tory MP for Penrith and the Border. I requested that the government remove all Covid restrictions with immediate effect. The response below is obviously not tailored to my request so I guess it might be a standard tory MP response doing the rounds today. Its all b*****cks of course….
Thank you for contacting me about the your opposition to the tiered coronavirus restrictions, asking me to vote against them in the House of Commons on Tuesday. I understand your strength of feeling on this issue but I will be voting in favour of the restrictions and I will outline my reasoning below.
The updated three tiered system will be put into place on Wednesday 2nd December as we continue to tackle the threat of COVID-19, and in response to the latest data. I believe that these tiers will help reduce the R rate, allowing areas to move down the tiers, in a more effective way than the previous protocol. We must guard against any spike in infections, especially as the NHS begins to battle with seasonal pressures. Whilst the tiered system is unwelcome to many I do believe it is necessary to save lives and protect the NHS.
I welcome that new rapid turnaround tests, which can help to identify and isolate people who do not have symptoms but are unintentionally spreading the virus, can also be used to identify people who do not have the virus. This means that, in due course, it should be possible to offer people who test negative the prospect of greater freedoms.
As you know, the whole of Cumbria will be placed under tier 2 restrictions from Wednesday 2nd December. Many parts of Cumbria and Penrith and The Border fall below the national average in terms of case numbers but there are significant hotspots in the county. Clearly the virus does not respect district or borough boundaries so there has to be some consideration of neighbouring areas that are seeing a high rate of infection. A ‘high’ level alert, or ‘tier 2’, is not as severe at tier 3 but still has a large focus on reducing household to household transmission. As a result, people would be restricted from meeting anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor setting, and meeting no more than a total group of six in outdoor settings like gardens and parks. People would be encouraged to reduce the number of journeys they make: if they need to travel, they should seek to avoid busy times or routes on public transport, or walk or cycle. Further, pubs and bars must close unless they are serving substantial meals alongside any drinks. The first review of whether Cumbria should remain in tier 2 will take place on Wednesday 16th December.
I know that the Government does not take these decisions lightly and is reluctant to restrict people’s freedoms. Based on the evidence, they make a judgement as to what tiers certain areas should fall into. The Government has been clear that restrictions will only be in place for as long as they are necessary and looks forward to a time when a vaccination programme can be rolled out and we can all turn to something resembling normality.
I understand that many people have concerns about the adverse effect that this tiered system will have on the local and national economy. I am pleased that the Chancellor has extended the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme until March to protect jobs, businesses continue to benefit from loans, grants and business rate relief. As part of the comprehensive Winter Economy Plan the Government has committed further £55 billion to help with our response to coronavirus – including £18 billion for mass testing, Test and Trace, PPE and vaccines, and £3 billion to support NHS recovery.
I will continue to monitor all coronavirus restrictions closely, and thank you for taking the time to contact me.
In other words ”Pull up the ladder, Jack, I am suitably provided for.”
What a ill informed joker. Just write back and point out. Deaths from the Virus are awful, but natural. Deaths from lockdown are voluntary and therefore murder at worst or manslaughter at best.
Oh dear!
Interesting
I got nowhere with my Cumbrian MP in the neighboring constituency, Tim Farron (Westmorland and Lonsdale), although he said amongst other things in his reply before the second lockdown vote
I am very conscious that many remain sceptical of the advice to which the Government is choosing to listen, when a significant body of alternative scientific views are available which discount the official approach and believe the current approach is having a devastating impact on the physical and mental health of our society. I know that many have expressed the view that the Government’s strategy is an overreaction with PCR tests proving unreliable and not being used in the way they were designed for, hence overstating infection rates with false-positive results and that the data on which death rates are modelled is exaggerated. I have also been grateful for the many links which l have been sent from observers such as Tim Spector, Michael Yeadon and the Great Barrington Declaration because l recognise that it is important to take a considered holistic approach and to weigh up all arguments not just those put forward by the Government. That said, the figures which have been personally shared with MPs by the Government in the last few days are deeply alarming.
…………..
‘Please be assured that l am listening to the feedback which constituents are giving me but I have to balance carefully what will be a momentous decision for this country. One constituent shared the quote attributed to Albert Einstein which stated: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results”. In that sense, we cannot keep locking down our lives and economy but not expect massive consequences to follow.’
He then voted for the second lockdown. I guess he must be insane by his own admission.
I think they have been threatening to vote against this time.
Thanks. Good to hear
https://twitter.com/CatrionaColllns/status/1333206701525393410
The Irish vaccine shill “stage 4 trials are on the general population”. Granny then.
So Labour is abstaining on the vote tomorrow so that some sort of restriction remains in place. What a dereliction of duty and an insult to the people of this country. Let’s keep the plebs locked up just to make a political point! Who the hell can we vote for? Why can’t MP’s properly represent their constituents and decide for themselves instead of follow my leader!
It was going to be a political vote whichever way it went. This way will weaken dePiffle’s position further, unless the backbench rebels turn tail and vote yes to support him.
It’s political chess, unfortunately with real lives and livelihoods at stake – but plus ca change in that department.
They need more money. It thought this was about saving lives.
Why is Stalin Starmer ‘whipping’ the MPs on stuff like this? As far as I Can tell he’s done it on almost everything.
Well it’s better than them voting for it.
Haven’t posted properly her for a while. But I thought I’d share this evening’s experience.
For the first time, my wife, my adult daughter and I went shopping together without masks. I’ve never worn one – sworn a sacred oath.
My wife at first didn’t, but took on the habit after a few unpleasant incidents where she felt intimidated, despite me getting her an exemption card.
Until today, my daughter wore a mask at college and in shops again because she felt unsettled not doing so and didn’t want to be the ‘odd one out’. But today she strode through the doors bare-faced, having had enough of the charade. Wearing a mask all day at college had given her a throbbing headache. “It’s my choice whether I should wear a mask or not, no one else’s.”
Flanked by our daughter and me, emboldened, my wife also entered the shop without a mask.
Everyone else was dutifully muzzled. But no one had any problem with us three maskless musketeers.
And then a beautiful moment – a muzzled dad walked past us in one of the aisles, a baby peering over his shoulder at us. The child gurgled with delight at the sight of my daughter, his big brown eyes shining, and reached out for her, smiling. He did the same for each of us – smiling and burbling at us all. He didn’t react like that to anyone else. I swear that it was our bare faces that caused his merriment. He was reaching out to us, like he wanted to grab us, gurgling merrily. We all laughed aloud at his cheeky grin.
***
I burned a mask the other day. A nasty, cheap, synthetic thing. It was consumed by orange flame and thick, black, toxic smoke. And thus is the fate of all these evil things – symbol of all that is vile and inhuman in these dark days. Burn mask, burn. And as you shrivel to nothing, mask, may those who thrust you on the faces of humanity shrivel to nothing too.
Unsympathetic magic! Love it.
Burn, mask,burn.
That poor child, he must go for days sometimes without seeing a human face.Glad you were there for him.
Beautiful
Good to hear from you!
One of the most uplifting posts I’ve seen in a long time. Many thanks!
ive had that reaction and interplay with toddlers in the supermarket before , it is definitely not being masked that triggers it
Nice to see you back.
Someone described something similar in another post.
I emailed my MP to express my concern that today’s SI regarding the tiers states clearly that it has not been impact assessed. I sent him a copy of the relevant bits. It’s a very precisely worded legal document.
He’s very kindly just sent me a link to the much trumpeted impact analysis – a different document, consisting of much fluff and hyperbole.
I despair!
Anyone else seen this, NI considering introducing UBI
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55076794
Grassroots Music Venues operating in England under Tier 2 Restrictions will be permitted to sell alcohol at ticketed live events. The ticket for a live event occupies a similar legal exemption to that provided for the serving of a substantial meal.
Interesting development!
Do you have a link for that? Might help out some friends.
found it from this https://www.facebook.com/TheCavernFreehouse
a gig venue in South West London
here’s the link to the music venue trust
https://www.facebook.com/musicvenuetrust/posts/1593907570816624
This is bizarre,. I mean I can go into my pub and have a coffee or a soft drink but not a beer unless I have a substantial meal and then when the meal is finished I’m not allowed to order another drink. This is a safety measure for it is well known that the virus doesn’t attack those who eat. Actually they had a name for this in 1930s America: Prohibition. There is no rationale behind this at all and is just petty, spiteful and vindictive. Which sums up the government – and the opposition. A bunch of bullies in the school playground.
The rationale is to destroy anywhere where people can meet.Look at the measures of those of an occupying power.They then make sense.
probably the reason why Kent was put in tier 3. I had intended in October to do a tour of micropubs in North Kent. They started here and there’s quite a few here as well as South East London. The basic premise is they are small and they normally don’t have any background music. Max capacity can be around 10. So naturally you end up talking to people. I visited one in Sidcup recently. Talked to people I’d never met before-this isn’t the soul less experience you find in Wetherspoons
First they came for the smokers …
My brother in law smokes. Legally.
Sit down events I guess?
not necessarily- the maximum number of tickets is 50 and there isn’t 50 seats in the Cavern
Well, that’s something. I’m itching for some music, but I refuse to new normal it. Fingers crossed.
Hmm…
Come on. Spit it out Mr Paranoia.
But yet I still can’t have a friend or family member over for a cup of tea. Even if I provide them with a substantial meal. Nuts.
https://twitter.com/Jon_statistics/status/1333405641399021572?s=20
Interesting thread about covid admissions versus patients being treated for covid. Evidence of huge discrepancy? (As we suspect). Not sure if already posted. Too tired to digest it properly now, but will come back to it to it
Apply the FPR to admissions. Every inpatient gets tested right? Insta”cases”.
Yeah, Tom Blackburn posted earlier today, Charlie.
Along with my comment that we on LS pointed this out weeks ago.
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/11/30/latest-news-209/#comment-275886
Did they bother pointing out how much debt the Fascists’ insane tyranny has accumulated?
We are doomed if you go about saying so.
Looking at the economic analysis, what’s the ‘do nothing’ impact?
Very good point. Do nothing is always an option.
Absolutely the thing that any Project Manager should consider and the thing that no executive will ever allow them to.
The fundamental absurdity is that in order for any of these restrictions to work, they have to be imposed indefinitely and adhered to universally. Isolation only works if everyone remains completely isolated for the rest of their lives. In other words, society and the economy must be eliminated in order to eliminate a virus. This can be boiled down to one simple statement: “In order to remain alive, you must stop living.”
How has this been achieved? Highly skilled and relentless propaganda preying on the most basic of human emotions: the fear of death. Perhaps people haven’t really changed that much, they’ve just had all their weaknesses that have been present all along brutally exposed, and it manifests in a completely broken society.
Very well expressed – but we can’t let the bastards get away with this – I feel sure that the human spirit is strong enough to survive this, though the casualties may be high.
Stopped off this afternoon while driving down a tiny country lane, a mile and a half from the nearest village, between a high, windy ridge and the sea, to buy some veg from a wayside stall.
Unusually, there was a customer already there. Tall, strong-looking chap, couldn’t have been a day over thirty-five.
And nappied.
He didn’t put the nappy on for my sake, he was already wearing it.
This granny could have killed him.
You should have – this is why I can barely face going out anywhere these days.
Ivor Cummins video with Claire Fox and others is really good. The log curve for infections showing that the virus just does what it does. Even with natural behavioural interventions. The curve was practically always decelerating from January.
Just fills you with sadness at the idiocy.
Here’s hoping a judge watched this
It is endearing to read of so many of you writing to your MPs.
These furloughed individuals on the government payroll are mostly sitting at home and few can justify the accolade of being their constituents’ representative.
Parliament itself is Covid-emasculated, spaced-out and ineffectual. The Johnson administration can hardly be blamed for taking scant notice of the enfeebled opposition from Tory and Labour benches.
This whole thing is redolent of the “dance of the parties” [Goebbels] before the Reichstag was burned.
Writing to MPs does not preclude other action, and it is better than doing nothing. It may be futile, but so were many battles fought during World War II. Admittedly our politicians are redolent of the French leaders in 1940. But don’t forget, there was a reckoning four years later for what they did.
Only for a handful. Laval thought he was guillotined because he knew too much. A few nameable people ended their careers in moderate ignominy.
But in general, Vichy was the happy time for the French State. All the things the bureaucracy had wanted to do for decades but been blocked by stupid democracy, now they could do. A great moment for what was called ‘rational government.’ Until they ran out of money. But many of their administrative changes stuck.
At the liberation, there was the French State. Essentially, they carried on under de Gaulle as under Petain. Most careers progressed unhindered.
Indeed, the point of Vichy was to preserve the continuity of the French State, understood as the bureaucracy. It worked.
Mitterand (socialist President of France) was a Vichyist- a fact well disguised by the MSM when he was in power.
Anti-lockdown Black Cotton Face Mask
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203182957510
Lib Dems are abstaining in tomorrow’s vote.
Politicians are supposed to represent the people. Abstaining is not representation
It’s almost like they all answer to the same overlords…
They answer to their constituents.
Balls do they.
How did they get where they are?
I grant you they don’t always behave in the interests of their constituents, but they answer to no one else.
There are some who see it that way but I believe they are a minority. Most MPs see themselves as members if an elite sub-culture, whether it’s vanguard Marxism, or technocratic globalism. And there are a large proportion who are egotistical chancers.
Surprise surprise.
They voted against the extension of the coronavirus act:
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/863#noes
My MP is Lib Dem and the party line is very pro-lockdown. Like Labour they think it should be earlier and tighter, but it’s lockdowns all the way (although TTT should have solved the problem by now of course, and if they were in power, it would have done, honestly).
Disappointing, I thought they might vote against.
Neither liberal nor democratic – and hardly a party anymore.
Keir Starmer steers calmer – waiting for an election that may never come.
Kh1485 – you are a very witty comrade. Thanks for giving me …at least several…laughs every day. You are also a great fighter. Love it.
No vaccine = no life, this from Reuters.
Second paragraph blames the covid for ‘wiping out a chunk of the global economy’. No longer a journal of merit.
1.46 million.
We just lucked out that this almost mirrors exactly the decrease in other deaths. See John Hopkins newsletter.
Irrelevant, because only covid deaths are tragic. All other deaths are just deaths.
Choose not to have a vaccine, not “refuse”…
Defy government-approved coercive medicine.
I think Zahawi is going to find himself locked out of normal political life when he’s cast into the outer darkness along with Bozo. Also, he’s now in a v prominent position – will he survive the 360 degree scrutiny?
Covid – a virus of many talents.
1.46 million – so 0.00019 portion of the world population.
Hello karenovirus,
All these businesses have suffered massively due to covid would they really bar people who they desperately need. I don’t think so, after all why should these businesses that have been sacrificed police vaccination. The incompetence of the government in using pseudo -science to terrify everyone as destroyed any trust in science. So now instead of people welcoming vaccination they see something else to be frightened of. Recently I heard that the reason Wuhan had a covid outbreak was because the Chinese were experimenting with a new vaccine against sars. I have no way of verifying how true this story is but I do know that when scientists first began experimenting on monkey’s with virus was detected in their nasal secretions making them infectious. Do we really want vaccinated people infecting those unvaccinated people, I don’t think so. In the end businesses will do what they think is best continue to go down the pan or welcome customers.
I would like to think businesses would stand up to this, though I have my doubts. So many small shops in our area have aggressive ‘no mask no entry’ signs, which I now refuse to use.
The Flexnor Report and the development of modern medicine
https://youtu.be/gKzgSAL84O8
NEWSNIGHT REVIEW
Another pretty good report from Deborah Cohen on Newsnight. First time ever I’ve heard it admitted on MSM TV that ALL vaccines induce negative side effects and that with mass vaccination it can take one to three years to establish what and how serious they might be. I think she knows what she’s doing.
Paulette Hamilton, Birmingham City Council leader, may be a lefty race-baiter but she is throwing a nice big spanner in the works I’m pleased to say. Normally BBC would have a go at anyone questioning the loveliness of vaccines, but Paulette has too many protected characteristics so Emily is showing her unctuous respect. The retired army officer (who thinks if you say “logistics” twice in every sentence you will impress people ) is Major Gen Cross and he looks very, well, cross at what Paulette has said but he’s been on the course and realises he has to be careful how he chooses his words…but he essentially says she’s got to take it first to set a good example. Paulette doesn’t look like she was going to take up that suggestion.
Just when you think it’s not a bad edition for such a PC pro-lockdown programme they roll on Ferguson for yet another standard soft ball interview. No reference to his own shag fest rule breaking during Lockdown. Ferguson just allowed to lie, distort, obfuscate and preen himself with no comeback.
You watch it so we don’t have to. Thanks for the report. Always useful to know what the nation’s enemies are saying.
Defund the BBC.
Yep. Defund them. But be careful to remove their charter entirely and nationalise the brand so some PC multi billionaire can’t come along and make them the UK’s CNN.
I certainly recognise the danger you point to. But I’d be inclined to take the money in this case.
Stripped of its undeserved credibility as “the national broadcaster” it would be much less harmful than it has been for the past half century and more.
Just another big tech billionaire lefty’s mouthpiece.
Not sure. CNN simply censored the President throughout the recent US election campaign. Just didn’t report what he was saying. Its a very effective tool: don’t give any airtime to his actual words and then misrepresent , through biased paraphrase, what he was saying. Totally shameless censorship and deception thag fools a lot of people.
Although totally biased in its presentation, even the BBC does recognise some residual duty to air what the PM is actually saying during an election campaign. ,
Done, months ago!
Me too! Hence having to rely on OKUk’s reports!
She does know what she is doing – Deborah Cohen is a qualified doctor.
https://www.drdeborahcohen.com/
Not a medical doctor. Like Dr Michael Mosley. Also not a medical doctor.
She seems to think she is:
“I have degrees in medicine and medical journalism”
https://www.healthwatch-uk.org/news/20-awards/award-lectures/146-2017-deborah-cohen.html
Ok, I could have been clearer: neither Cohen nor Mosley are qualified to practise as medical doctors though they have degrees in the field of medicine. Having a degree in sports medicine doesn’t make you a qualified doctor for instance.
No but she knows how to do medical and scientific research and is one of the few voices of truth on the beeb.
Indeed and that’s why as on this occasion I praise her reports. But I think she realises she is walking through a PC minefield. She might want to say interview Robert Kennedy Jr but she would know she can’t. That would be overstepping an invisible boundary.
Apparently Ferguson has been on Newsnight crying about all the hate mail he receives… Poor guy.
Look at the comments: https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1333529094152200193
Here’s one of them – it’s a good summary:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoGpmqVXYAsrusK?format=jpg&name=small
Ferguson should be grateful that he’s still alive
He won’t give a toss about the hate mail we’ll all be getting soon: “You missed your allotted Covid vaccination appointment at your local army vaccination centre. Failure to attend and receive the vaccine will mean you are unable to travel abroad, attend concerts, football stadia, cinemas or theatres, register for university courses, shop at major supermarkets or join a gym. This is your final warning. Failure to comply will result in permanent denial of the aforementioned facilities and possible quarantine in your local Covid Confinement Camp. “
Yeah.. I’ve got a nasty feeling where I’ll be spending a ‘holiday’ next year. Still, I’m looking on the bright side.. free masks, sanitizer, and a morning rub down with the Marxist Gazette are not to be sniffed at..
Plus there’s the re-education programme to look forward to with lectures from leading intellectual Comrade Marianna Spring on how your thought has been led down the wrong counter-revolutionary path by disinformation and from bright sun of the proletarian dawn Comrade Piers Morgan concerning how petit-bourgeois individualism is interfering with the clear and immense success of the mass vaccination programme.
Well he was supposed to have resigned months ago. Serves him right because he keeps popping back into the limelight.
And he drags Drosten into this. The man’s lack of discernment is staggering.
So Ferguson and Drosten are friends. They deserve each other. They can share a cell if they want.
Well Gove undoubtedly is shameless enough to cling to his position come what may.
Michael Gove’s lockdown claims: a review of the evidence
The question is, for how long can his political team-mates endure the embarrassing stench of dishonest incompetence?
Why is Gove now the authority? Not Whitty or Vallance or SAGE? He seems to have suddenly become the unofficial Minister for Lockdowns…
Seems pretty clear he has come into the open as one of the prime movers behind the panic, as was always suspected.
Because Gove is brilliant at talking at length, while saying absolutely nothing. While dePiffle blathers, Gove manages to sound erudite.
His face is equally as punchable as H-cock!
So much for Gove being the most intelligent of the Cabinet; he gets a bit of a shredding there from Steerpike. Good stuff!
“I think the people in this country have had enough of experts with organisations from acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong.”
Michael Gove 3 June 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGgiGtJk7MA
When we hear that Labour and the Lib Dems are abstaining, is this an edict from on high? Are all MPs forbidden from voting even if they disagree? What would happen if one of them did turn up and vote?
A slap on the worst from the Whip. at the very worst, expulsion from the parliamentary party. there’s nothing to stop an MP defying the whip. The decision to abstain is from on high, but only as high as the party leadership.
No point in them even being there. We have to rely on Tory rebels!
Late shift John Lennon quote which seems very apt right now.
The Ivor Cummins podcast (ep105) with Joel Smalley’s data graphs referred to earlier is a much watch. I know it’s an hour long, but it contains absolute killer punches.
I urge people on here to have a look. There’s going to be 2 more parts.
Yep, excellent. Here’s the link again:
Ep103 Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth Part 1
Looking forward to the film.
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Brilliant point Cheezilla. Succinct.
Rather depressing watching the UK Column today, the tyranny that most of the world is currently living under is staggering as is the level of evil at both government level and amongst ordinary citizens.
People celebrating a women being tasered sums up the year well as does the reaction from the truly evil Priti Patel to protestors being beaten up. Not sure how we will stop this level of evil, even the Church of England have welcomed it with open arms. https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-30th-november-2020
Yes. It was an excellent, though troubling episode.
That girl being systematically tortured in public, for simply wanting to accompany her mother, was deeply distressing.
Tazers are just evil. They should be banned. There is no place for them in this world. However many many more cops are issued with them now. It’s truly terrible.
On the Daily Mail story about hospitals not being overwhelmed.
A reader writes
‘Simply not true, a friend of mine works at multiple hospitals. There are literally people lying in the corridors waiting for covid beds some even having to lay down in single file on the pavements outside’.
A wind up by a naughty sceptic?
There are some hilarious Daily Mail wind-up merchant commenters. You can spot them a mile off. I usually give them a like.
Could be just ‘normal’ but we are treating it as if it has never happened before (like the situation early on in Italian hospitals). This from 2018:
“The surge in numbers of people needing care has also led to some hospitals running out of beds for patients to sleep in, mattresses to lie on and trolleys to use while they wait for admission.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/25/nhs-hospitals-serious-shortages-vital-equipment
Of course all flu infections are being attributed to Covid this time, but it’s probably just a normal year (as well as people being motivated to exaggerate or lie).
NHS running out of beds ? So 2019
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-leeds-50713236
A and E in my town had to set up a tent outside to handle people waiting to be seen in October.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/anger-as-patients-queue-in-rain-for-altnagelvin-hospital-a-and-e-39653214.html
However this is in Northern Ireland where we have a permanent crisis in our health service with the longest waiting lists in tbe UK. Politicians who take a huff with each other for 2 years and do nothing.
Here is the same hospital in 2019
https://www.derryjournal.com/health/emergency-department-under-extreme-pressure-1330637
A population dependant on the state and some of the worst health stats anywhere in Europe. Also the last I read West Belfast has the highest suicide rate in Europe.
“some even having to lay down in single file on the pavements outside”… its the new normal.. nothing to worry about!
Ask them which hospitals.
Simple questions for a journalist to ask the PM or other government Minister:
“Could you explain why the Prime Minister made a speech using the phrase ‘Build Back Better’, including a prepared backdrop? Simultaneously, this phrase is also being used by Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, etc. What is the significance of our Prime Minister using their slogan? Is the Prime Minister answerable to anyone other than the British electorate?”
Why would a journalist not ask such an easy, but devastatingly significant question?
Because they’re given the questions to ask!
I’d love to hear it asked
Because they and their editors have been asked, very nicely with ‘inducements’, not to. Deals are done by Govt handlers before any questions are ever asked; journalists and their editors either agree what questions will be asked or access is denied. A friend used to work with Brian Walden back in the day, it’s a rigged game. Who’da thunk it.
The University of South Wales is now using that slogan.
The University of South Wales was always a joke.
I would add a second line to their slogan: ‘Because it can’t be worse than what you’ve got now.’
Does anyone else think Vallance looks like a ruthless 1970s bank robber who keeps a sawn-off shotgun under the bed?
I agree he does.
Nah, not ‘ard enough, more like a disgraced cleric with unwholesome predilections.
Yeah.. I know just the cleric..
Back in the 70s I did a stretch in Holloway, rented flat, and used to visit a charming little licensed premises called The Admiral Mann situated down an alleyway off a little dead-end road. Walking down the dead-end road past a terrace of Victorian cottages one lunchtime to meet a friend, I nearly collided with a gent of middling years, thickset with greying hair, who emerged briskly from one of the cottages and turned across me towards a van parked at the kerbside. He had a package under his arm, something wrapped in newspapers about 2 feet long and vaguely conical with the larger diameter uppermost. As I stepped around him to avoid the collision, I chanced to glance down and my eyes were confronted by the stock of a firearm very reminiscent of a 12 bore, which I took it to be. I hurried on, hoping he didn’t think I’d seen it, no doubt he wouldn’t have given it a second thought, and had a couple of pints to calm the nerves. He wasn’t no scientist, I’d swear.
The Kray-operated pubs around Poplar used to be very nice places. Pub closing time was 10:30 back then. That’s when they’d put on fresh bar staff for the shift through to 1 am. :). Never any trouble but the rule was: don’t ask questions about anything!
They reserved the violence for people who didn’t pay up and the competition, the general public were never troubled unless they made trouble. Those two boys really were ‘ard, one of them a full blown psychopath. They did love their mum though..
So that’s all right then!
anecdote of the evening, surely
Lol!
Same wet look as Gove, I expect they both got put head first down the school bogs for snitching.
You’re not getting confused with Whitty?
I’ve never paid either of them any attention. Just looked at the picture at the top of todays page. I thought Whitty was the one with specs.
No he’s not, it’s the other way round, but I think we can agree here that we each own our own perceptions.
I think people here may be confusing bank robbers with thugs.
No, Whitty is the one without…
This sort of bloke?
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(as in one of the villains in Performance)
Yes, you nailed it there Barney! Thanks.
Daily mail front page – if the gloves weren’t off already they are now. Who the hell is this Rita oik?
You don’t know your dance music? Went out with Calvin Harris for a while. Next you’ll be telling me you don’t know who Calvin is! Lol
Time to laugh at those pathetic inadequates attempting to blackmail us with this crap and tell em to fuck off.
Going to bed feeling fairly buoyed. The government has screwed up and now everybody knows. They are panicking, they are terrified. All they have left now is threats, whether of a coercive vaccine (illegal under international law, even IF the vaccine comes at all), loss of liberties such as free speech or the right to demonstrate (illegal under international law). Both of these alone are full justification for removing the regime.
Much of this is discussed on Save Our Rights’ Saturday Debrief:
https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurRightsUK/videos/370618517371021/
This includes some of the international reaction to the way the authorities conducted themselves during Saturday’s march in London.
2pm tomorrow will be euphoric for me whichever way it goes. Either the Coronavirus Act is illegal, hence everything done under it is also illegal, or it is not. In which case, we have full justification in overthrowing the regime in favour of a properly democratic and FREE system.
Remember that if Dolan’s appeal is successful, the full Judicial Review is to follow. Depending on the results of that, we could get our Coronaberg trials. I for one will be pushing for the Norwegian option (temporary restoration of the ultimate penalty) for the guilty.
As I said earlier, this is Parliament’s Charles I moment. Parliament cannot just act any way it pleases, under any circumstances. It might not feel like it, but we are winning.
Good night then, fellow sceptics; sleep to gather strength for the morning. For the morning will come.
I look at it on one level as an exciting rollercoaster ride – up one moment and down the next – but in another as a war for our survival as integral human beings.
One thing 2020 most certainly has not been is boring.
As the Chinese curse has it: “may you live in interesting times”.
Never was any global generation so accursed.
I wish I could find more excitement in it, and less isolation and pain.
However: I’m glad to find you all here chewing the fat in this upbeat mood.
Well the troughs of the rollercoaster are pretty bad for me…but yes I can’t deny the excitement of the moments when you see the forces of darkness forced to retreat.
“I say this is no Parliament. You have sat for too long for any good you have been doing lately . . . In the name of God, go!”
Needs sayin’
Well said.
Norway
The shoot Quislings, don’t they?
BTW, we all know what ‘quisling’ now means. What will ‘hancock’ mean in future, if the word isn’t expunged from dictionaries as too obscene?
Wuhan-Corona vs. previous flu waves (Sweden) quantified on near-final data for 2020: You’ve lived through these, unaware, many times
https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2020/11/29/against-the-corona-panic-part-xix-wuhan-corona-vs-previous-flu-waves-sweden-quantified-on-near-final-data-for-2020/
Thanks for the upload.Excellent verifiable data against the hysteria.
…but the hysteria continues. Many examples still chipping away at Sweden – portraying it a the opposite of the above – the worst since 1918. This one in particular is relentless on the ‘wait 2 more weeks’ , ‘I mean, wait 5 more weeks..’
While COVID-19 *seems* to be a small bump in mortality, 2020 has the most excess deaths of any year since the 1918 influenza pandemic
These ~4700 excess deaths are supported by SCB: https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1331682386875084802…
Beͫvͣaͬnͨd on Twitter: “This chart shows Sweden’s mortality rate & excess deaths since 1900 While COVID-19 *seems* to be a small bump in mortality, 2020 has the most excess deaths of any year since the 1918 influenza pandemic These ~4700 excess deaths are supported by SCB: https://t.co/ldWipGCxlM 1/n https://t.co/KXGJ5kJIhm” / Twitter
You cannot compare numbers as the population has more than doubled since 1918.87% of all deaths of C-19 are above the age of 70.There has been no excess deaths amongst under 65 during the pandemic. There has been no total excess deaths since May with the least deaths anytime in Sept.Also no excess death in Oct but will now most likely go up in Nov and Dec.But using absolute numbers instead of per 100000 is called selective reporting.
Remember we cannot compare countries unless they have a position that sounds scary then of course it is the right and proper thing to do. Sadly Gov Policy from the start, after all we don’t want to be like Italy.
https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/
This is the full paper sent to eurosurveilance asking them to retract Drosten’s PCR paper due to serious shotcomings in his methods.
This is a super specialist paper but upload it here in case it gets censored or blocked on various social media.
There are some heavy weight experts in this paper showing that Drosten’s use of primer may have made it more unspecific.
Drosten’s test is used at least in 70% of all PCR tests worldwide. Interesting to see if Eurosurveillnce react to this report. There is no risk that this important issue is discussed in BBC or MSM. Mass testing is an integral part in the delusonal response to the pandemic promoted by Big Pharma and instituted by governments worldwide.
Just a quote
“Consequently, in nearly all test procedures worldwide, merely 2 primer matches were used instead of all three. This oversight renders the entire test-protocol useless with regards to delivering accurate test-results of real significance in an ongoing pandemic.”
Canada euthanised a woman who couldn’t face another lockdown. We want to save you but if you get too depressed we will kill you ourselves. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elderly-woman-euthanized-to-avoid-anguish-of-lockdown-loneliness/
I can’t uptick that. Pure evil.
They allowed her to have visitors for her death.
But not if she wanted to live. Disgusting.
Anyone recall this ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-leeds-50713236
Mr Gove ? Hello. Mr Gove ???
https://fullfact.org/online/LGI-photo-boy-facebook/
Mr Hancock ? Hello. Mr Hancock ???
Hmm. Yes I do now you mention it. Thanks for the reminder.
They will need to kill every last one of us who are opposing this to silence our voices. I dare them.
Wow! Scathing, in the best way possible.
In one of my first posts on LS, May I think, I recalled how when Blair was PM there was a bad flu season which the press were starting to pick up on.
Blairs response was to appoint a nobody as Flu Tzar to ‘crack heads together in the NHS and get it sorted’.
Two weeks later the Flu Tzar was all over the media announcing the government success at defeating the virus.
I mentioned this to a senior medic who told me “that’s a load of nonsense, we got on top of it a month ago and the numbers were going down before he was appointed”.
I suggested then that they might repeat this sleight of hand but never imagined they would spin it out over the best part of a year.
In Wales they revolutionised the Flu Tsar idea by giving us a Covid Stalin, a Covid Politburo and a Covid KGB.
Did you check the Jordan Peterson link ? Brilliant but scary.
Please repost thecritic link on Tuesday.
“Almost all the papers claiming [asymptomatic] transmission originated in China” – Dr. Mike Yeadon
Just out of interest, why does China appear so interested in pushing the asymptomatic transmission line? (And do they monitor this site?)
And if I’m asked to have a pcr test (or a vaccine for that matter – how much coercion will be used, I wonder), should I comply? And if Dr. Yeadon is correct in his conclusions, is there any chance we can have all our basic rights back within the next few weeks – or are there other forces at work?
Oh, and that carol singalong is a great idea, I’d be well up for that (if someone can arrange one in the North). I’ll sing tenor – I can just imagine it now, the pc P.C.s charging in to arrest me as I sing “Peace on the Earth good will to men begin and never cease! And we really should do something for new year if this nonsense is still going on.
Looking at the appalling behaviour of the Police in the live streams I wouldn’t count on it, once they’ve arrested Santa all bets are off!
All of us are criminals now
And proud of it.
Further call for evidence:
https://committees.parliament.uk/call-for-evidence/326/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications-of-long-lockdown/
Are they fools? Have they not read our history?
The Kaiser and Hitler tried this stuff on and look what happened to them
We are coming like a Jove
Are they fools?
Does the sun set in the west?
I see someone has mentioned getting newspapers onside. Just a thought – couldn’t we start our own newspaper like the pro-EU New European? I’m sure that (amazingly) this is a bigger issue, and with at least as much strength of feeling.
Another load of manure in response to a petition:
“The UK Government has tried every possible option to get the virus under control at a local level, with strong local action and strong local leadership. We realise that we must balance the measures we introduce against the long term scars they leave, whether for businesses and jobs, or our physical and mental health. Faced with the data on hospitalisations and death presented by the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser at the press conference on 31 October, there was no alternative but to take further action at a national level in England.”
Words fail me.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549862
I thought the same.
Why don’t they visit ONS themselves instead of relying on tweedledee and tweedledumb?
They are also trying to shift the blame down towards local authorities as predicted here months ago.
Because obviously the job of the government is not to lead, balance risks and take difficult decisions.
Their job is to believe any forecast, especially scary ones, and do whatever their advisors say. When the consequences become clear, it is not all their fault, they were only doing what they were told.
The Conservative Party has no heart. It only cares for power. Being the NHS party is all that matters. They need to be popular and loved.
The majority might be going meekly along with government diktats but I have yet to hear any expression of love for the Tories or even thanks
What about analysing the supposed benefits of lockdowns and the tier system?
I have just read the newspaper headlines. All the discussion is about the economic impacts of lockdowns and tier restrictions.
Very little mention of the physical and mental health aspects.
Absolutely nothing questioning whether there are any benefits from imposing these restrictions. Surely that must be made a big part of the debate – especially the repeated claims that the recent reduction in numbers is attributable to lockdown 2
Gets rid of seasonal flu apparently, rips the evil alcohol pushing industry apart, keeps hoi poloi from ruining the planet by flying leaving the skies open to special people only.
I got a virus called phoney corony,
It’s as lethal as a bowl of macaroni
(Well it is quiet).
My letter to my Cumbrian MP (Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale)
Dear Mr Farron
All the major studies (Zoe, ONS, REACT) showed that at a national level ‘infections’ had plateaued and started reducing before the second lockdown started.
I’ve seen claims that it was down to lockdown but that’s nonsense, the data analysis just doesn’t back up that claim. To give lockdown credit for a fall that was already happening is silly. Anyway the zoe data and ONS data is there for you to see, go and have a look if you haven’t seen it and decide for yourself rather than believe me.
Tim Spector tweeted on 3rd November BEFORE lockdown and before the lockdown vote “More good news as the Zoe CSS app survey continues to show a plateauing and slight fall in new cases in England, Wales and Scotland with an R of 1.0 – cases still increasing in the south from a lower base.”
Switzerland who haven’t locked down this time round is seeing falling numbers also, without lockdown. How strange if it’s lockdowns that cause the fall!
There is a lot of regional variation also, if the national lockdown worked all areas should have fallen in the same way, they didn’t.
None of this is surprising as all the science (e.g. the Lancet study) shows that lockdowns have little or no efficacy (countries with the most severe lockdowns associate with a slightly higher death rate per million overall although there is significant variation between countries). However lockdowns do cause large numbers of indirect health and economic related deaths in Westmorland and Lonsdale and elsewhere to set against the no lives that lockdowns seem to save. I’d be happy to give you a link to all these studies that show lockdowns don’t work and to evidence of the indirect affects.
Please do not vote for this damaging continuing lockdown
Something I never thought I’d say but am because of the shamdemic #23: I like the Daily Mail*.
I particularly like they’s now got a ticker at the top of their site saying ‘Lockdown: Day 253’ – reminiscent of the ‘Deaths” score that all the papers were running when people were actually dying of something in the Spring.
What I would love them to add is “Jobs Lost” and “Lockdown Cost” running ticker – showing the daily economic cost. Or maybe this site should run one. There are some good WordPress plug-ins that would do it easily enough.
*Don’t worry, it’s only for the duration, I’m sure.
Too much stuff cluttering up my screen to read articles
OMG, what a brilliant article by Mike Yeadon. It certainly is “Easily the best 20 minutes you’ll spend today”.