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Hospitals “Like the Mary Celeste”

Given that there’s a cancer care backlog predicted to cost up to 30,000 lives and NHS waiting lists have exceeded 15 million, the news of empty hospitals will come as no surprise to anyone who has been following the catastrophic conversion of the NHS into a National Coronavirus Service. The Telegraph has the story.

NHS surgeons are only working at around 50 per cent capacity, the president of their Royal College has revealed, despite record waiting times for crucial operations.

Official figures show that more than 50,000 people have waited a year for treatment – up from 1,117 a year ago.

It comes amid concern about a surge in positive Covid cases, with daily records showing 1,522 cases, up from 1,048 the day before. However, weekly figures show the first decline for six weeks, despite rises in the numbers being tested.

The vast majority of NHS surgery and other routine treatment was stopped for months during lockdown. 

But medics said efforts to restore services are moving too slowly, with some likening their hospitals to “the Mary Celeste” because so many patients were being kept away.

Prof Neil Mortensen, president of the Royal College of Surgeons, said the NHS was struggling to restore services, with a lack of routine testing for NHS staff hindering efforts to create “Covid-free” zones.

Prof Mortensen, who took up his post last month, said many patients had been left in pain and distress, following the decision to suspend routine surgery for months.

Another reminder that the lockdown has caused more harm than it’s prevented, if any.

All Children Who Died with COVID-19 Were Already Seriously Ill

Just six children under 18 have died in the UK with COVID-19 and all of them had a serious comorbidity that explains why they were affected so badly, says Ross Clark in the Spectator. This is according to a study published this week in the British Medical Journal:

The study looks at data from 260 hospitals in England, Scotland and Wales, to which 69,516 patients were admitted with Covid symptoms between January 17th and July 3rd. Of these, 651 were aged under 19 and 225 were aged under 12 months. Serious underlying medical conditions were present in 42% of the children.

Most were successfully treated on hospital wards but 116 went on to be admitted to critical care and 58 ended up on mechanical ventilation. In 52 cases, the patients were judged to be suffering from Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome associated with COVID-19 (MIS-C), a condition similar to Kawasaki disease and Toxic Shock Syndrome, that was first identified in London hospitals in March. Six children went on to die. Three were aged under 28 days, had been born very premature and had complex congenital anomalies and bacterial sepsis. The other three who died were in the 15-18 age bracket, two of whom had profound neurodisabilities which compromised their respiratory systems. The other had a suppressed immune system as a result of cancer treatment and was also suffering from bacterial sepsis. No children without a serious comorbidity of an additional illness died, and neither did any child between the ages of 28 days and 15 years. However, the age group 10 – 14 years was over-represented among those admitted to critical care.

With the risks to children so infinitesimally low, schools known not to be a major driver of infection, and flu deadlier for children than COVID-19, why are children now being expected to wear masks in schools? To be fair to the Government, they have said that only children over 12 in local lockdown zones in indoor communal areas must wear a mask (and not in classrooms) – pretty minimal, though still unwarranted. However, not all schools have understood the Government’s advice. A reader has forwarded a letter he has received from the headteacher of Congleton High School – a Mr. J Barlow – informing him that the school, which is not in a lockdown area, will be requiring pupils to wear masks in communal areas “in line with” the Government guidance:

I am sure you will be aware that the Government recently announced that they had updated the guidance on face coverings in educational settings. This is now in line with the most recent advice from the World Health Organisation (WHO) and recommends the use of face coverings in secondary schools for students and staff when moving around communal areas in school and on all school transport.

Has Mr Barlow simply misunderstood the advice or is he misrepresenting it to parents to justify the school’s excessively cautious approach? If you have any other examples of schools behaving in a similarly draconian way, email us here.

Police Barely Enforcing Mask and Quarantine Rules

Travellers arriving from non-'travel corridor' countries must provide full contact details in a 'Passenger Locator' form, and quarantine for 14 days

Just 38 fines have been issued by the police for ignoring mask rules on public transport, the Telegraph reports.

Police have issued fewer than 40 fines to people not wearing a face covering on public transport, new figures reveal.

The data from the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) shows that just 38 notices were issued by officers from June 15 when face coverings became mandatory on buses and trains.

The Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has previously claimed that as many as one in 10 passengers break the rules.

Quarantine enforcement is even better worse, with just three fines issued by the police in the last month. The Telegraph again:

Police have fined just three people for breaching travel quarantine rules in the last month, new data from police forces in England and Wales has revealed.

The statistics, published by the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) today, show that a total of three fixed penalty notices were issued to individuals who failed to self-isolate after arriving in England from overseas.

The three fines, amounting to £100 each, were issued by Lincolnshire, Merseyside and Sussex police forces.

Under new government rules, passengers arriving back to the UK after travelling to non-‘travel corridor’ countries must quarantine for 14 days – or risk a £100 fine or further penalties. Travellers submit their quarantine location to authorities via a ‘Passenger Locator’ form, which must be filled in on arrival.

The figures apply to penalties issued between 15 June and 17 August. In the four weeks prior to this, just one fine was issued by police for flouting quarantine rules.

The NPCC statistics reflect fines issued by territorial police forces, and do not include any penalities issued by the UK Border Force

Meanwhile, in France face nappies have become mandatory for pedestrians – although the French Government did concede at the last minute it was dangerous not to exempt joggers and cyclists.

Jed Mercurio is Bedwetter-of-the-Week

Man dragged off plane by hazmat officials after testing positive for coronavirus
If only BA had responded more like Ryanair when a passenger was found not to be wearing a mask

When Line of Duty writer Jed Mecurio decided to make a fuss about passengers on his BA flight not wearing masks, staff told him “they don’t challenge non-compliance as anyone can claim exemption”. The Mail has the story.

Line of Duty writer Jed Mercurio sparked debate on Twitter after suggesting flight attendants not forcing people to wear face coverings on a British Airways plane were “to blame” if production of series six of the hit show gets shut down.

Taking to social media yesterday afternoon, the Mercurio, 54, expressed his outrage that cabin crew would not challenge two maskless people in the row behind him when he was flying to Belfast.

He said a British Airways staff member told him the organisation does not require proof of medical exemption for not wearing a mask and as a result do ‘they don’t challenge non-compliance as anyone can claim exemption.’

He said: ‘So I’m on a @British_Airways flight to Belfast to self-isolate before resuming filming of #LineOfDuty and the two passengers in the row behind aren’t wearing masks and the flight attendant won’t challenge them. If we have to shut down again, you know who to blame.’

In fact, BA were only following government guidance on respect for those who are exempt, which says:

Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering.

Well done, Jed. You are Lockdown Sceptics‘ Bedwetter-of-the-Week.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Six today: “The Wreckers” by Rush, “Gross Negligence” by The Dallas Motorcade, “Sold Us Down the River” by Lee Rocker, “You Betrayed Us” by DJ Tururu, “Broken Dreams” by Prime Minister and “Vengeance” by New Model Army. 

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate”. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 2nd to Oct 12th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now almost 40,000).

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Bob’s cartoon in the Telegraph on August 27th, making it clear where power lies

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DomW
DomW
5 years ago

On a bus right now sat near someone who just freed his face after I told him about exemptions and gave him one of my self printed and laminated exemption cards which includes a link to namasks.info.

Another small win!

DomW
DomW
5 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Whoops! Wrong page

H K
H K
6 years ago

No article on the 35k+ peaceful protestors at Trafalgar Square standing up of our rights and freedoms and opposing the lockdown restrictions?

Lucky
Lucky
6 years ago

Incredibly…if anyone’s still up..Toby’s new page is up now.

Lockdown Truth
6 years ago

Obviously I don’t, but if I ever had any doubts about the deep state and Covid etc they would have vanished today after the way the MSM have essentially ignored the London protest. The tiny bit of coverage they give it is massively laden with “tin foil hat” ad hominems.

Absolute ***********

OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

To say the MSM are complete whores does a disservice to good honest prostitutes plying their trade on the streets of our great cities.

To say the MSM have been bought is to belittle Amazon’s annual sales figures.

To say the MSM are unprofessional is to state the bleedin’ obvious.

Stevie1984
Stevie1984
6 years ago

Daily Mail has a disparaging article calling the London lockdown protesters crack pots.
They have just dissapeared the comments because a comment that strongly agreed with the lockdown sceptic vibe and calling out the media had a massive thumbs up. Approx 12500 versus the thumbs down of Approx 750. This was about 10pm, I just checked again and they have removed all the comments.

Eddie
Eddie
6 years ago
Reply to  Stevie1984

Great assortment of pics though. No comments is a rarity on Daily Fail

TheBluePill
TheBluePill
6 years ago

Last week I did something reprehensible as a human. I had the nerve to spend a whole week enjoying myself in the sun-drenched south of France. It was great.
I understood that by the letter of the law I would have to quarantine, even though I personally could not care any less.
Today my mother came around to deliver some top-up essential shopping. This is someone who disregarded the initial bullshit lockdown restrictions and came to “illegal” barbecues. I was rather shocked to see a muzzled figure at my back door dropping off shopping. I went into the garden to say hello and I was astonished that she actually jumped away when I got within 2.5 meters. Can you imagine that? Your own mother jumping away, all because you went to France? I was appalled and struggled to hide it. This covid paranoia has actually superceded the most powerful maternal instincts. I have always found myself surprised at how maternal instincts supersede logic, but I was stunned to find that this madness even supersedes those. At least it confirmed what we all know, in that muzzles are worn in futility to protect the wearer and there is nothing altruistic about… Read more »

OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

We have to remember that in WW1 tens of millions overcame that most basic of natural instincts -fear of extinction – and went to their deaths. Social obligation is a powerful force.

Ned of the Hills
Ned of the Hills
6 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

The face mask wearing I’m sure generates paranoia. Which is ironical because I’m sure it was largely introduced to give people the belief it was safe to come out from behind the sofa.

Lucky
Lucky
6 years ago

Aah..19th century history:

“Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you
Ye are many-they are few.”

― Percy Bysshe Shelley, The Masque of Anarchy: Written on Occasion of the Massacre at Manchester;

A lot less bloodshed than presently. We just need the ‘unvanquishable number’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterloo_Massacre

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Reply to  Lucky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft
Mother of Mary Shelley who later married Percy.

Wesley
Wesley
6 years ago

Wow, just wow. This takes the whole overcounting issue to a stratospheric new level. The CDC quietly admits that the true death toll in the US is just 6% of the much trumpeted 153,000
https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1299791452105474057?s=20

A. M. Meshari
A. M. Meshari
6 years ago
Reply to  Wesley

Tune in to tomorrow’s CNN, “Why the whole of the CDC are Russian agents and Putin’s Puppet…”

Lockdown Truth
6 years ago
Reply to  Wesley

Well it’s like the UK. Subtract comorbities and under 70 and you only have 300 deaths and frankly they can probably be accounted for with undiagnosed heart conditions. 120 people a week die that way in the UK. My friend’s partner died a few years ago. There was no explanation. Somebody suspected an undiagnosed heart condition. His heart was sent to Italy to be tested by experts! It came back positive. I assume that level of diagnosis isn’t being done now which could easily account for hundreds of Covid “deaths”…

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Reply to  Wesley

Screw them. Sue them.

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago

There’s a great comment in The Telegraph against this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/analysis-dodgy-science-behind-face-masks-wearing-offices-soon/

“It is physically impossible for a mask to prevent you spreading a virus you do not have.”

arfurmo
arfurmo
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Another comment “Note that mask-wearing is for ever. 
If positive tests ever fell to zero, that would prove masks work, so we must continue wearing them.
If positive tests don’t fall to zero, then that would prove we must continue wearing masks.
There’s no way out of it. “

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I put paprika on my garden to keep out leprechauns. I’ve never seen a leprechaun yet, so the paprika really works.

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

That’s silly, obviously. But what really truly does work as a herbal remedy to keep away the Covid is a mixture of dandelion and twitch grass. Luckily I have a huge stash in my garden. I just hope people don’t get to hear about it and start helping themselves in the dead of night, or when I’m out taking my statutory exercise.

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

They don’t like Hungarian spices?

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago

A few shots of the crowds from today, just to show there was more than a few hundred. I thought the atmosphere was really festival like, actually great to be in a big crowd like this after all this time. The 5G/Icke crowd were out in force, but overall, a bigger mix of society would be hard to find.

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Eddie
Eddie
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Great to see you Brits coming together today!

OKUK
6 years ago

Seems like cases are rising steeply in all the Loony Lockdown countries: France, Spain and Scotland have all been highlighted since yesterday. More than ever, as the Lockdown train slams into the reality buffers, we are winning the argument. Now Sturgeon is doing an about turn and arguing the rise is an artefact of testing! Wonderful to see the Lockdown lunatics tying themselves up in knots.

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Cases rising even though masks are mandatory in all these countries, and even flu cases and death rising. Shows they do diddly squat and are just a mind control device!

OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  skipper

Good points!

Beth
Beth
6 years ago

Here’s the link to the video of the StandupX rally in Trafalgar Square, 29th August 2020 –
https://www.standupx.info/
Scroll right down the page to Events and the video is immediately below the listing for today’s rally. Wasn’t able to attend but watched the whole thing live this afternoon. You won’t be surprised to learn that none of it has been shown on BBC/ITV/Sky etc as far as I know.

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago

Storm the Bastille!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago

Matt Wancock (aka Lieutenant Gruber) getting a pasting on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1299618860090392576

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Mutt Wankock sitting on the fence while muttering dire threats.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

But the comments are brilliant.

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Wacko Wankock.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If ever I’ve wanted to take a running, flying kick at someone

Lucky
Lucky
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Haha! The photo!! Brilliant comments.

Lucky
Lucky
6 years ago
Reply to  Lucky

Desperate for a laugh these days, I found it funny for a bit. I now see him as the devil incarnate disguised as Val Doonican (for those who remember). My hatred for MH is beyond words.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

What an absolute utter wankock. Gearing up to take the credit when the Famed Second Wave doesn’t happen. Oh Matt, the Great Matt, our saviour. What a complete div he looks perched up on that fence. I want to push him off into a field full of cowpats…

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

And I know this has been said before – but just how does this fit in with Boris’ Big Back to Work Bonanza?

Lord Rickmansworth
Lord Rickmansworth
6 years ago

Evening all! EPISODE 4 of Bedwetters is here!

Today we talk about the University Health NKVD!

The awakening of politicians and the media in Europe (But Bozza is still dosing)

Plus the usual round up the latest stats from the ONS.

ENJOY!

👉 https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/ 👈

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richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago

Thanks for the masked mutton Lord Rickmansworth.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

Unfortunately, some of the protesters were saying that, which undermines the argument as it’s easy to refute.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago

Fuck the lockdown watch the Daniel Dubois fight on tonight.

Howie59
Howie59
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Sat at home with the father-in-law watching the undercard. Can’t see the main event lasting long at all.

Not entirely sure what the virtue signaling masks are all about in the fighter’s corners. Referee has one on too. Completely bonkers.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Howie59

Edwards has a terrible hair style and i want him to lose based purely on that

Howie59
Howie59
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Me too. The pigtails fell out after round one. Then followed a 36 minute exhibition of dance. He’s not gonna make PPV with that style.

Biker
Biker
6 years ago
Reply to  Howie59

the Dubois fight was rubbish, totally pointless. Let me know when he fights someone worth fighting

Howie59
Howie59
6 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Agree. As pointless as a lockdown without a virus. His next fight is scheduled for October against Joe Joyce who can box, though that one will be PPV.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago

Brilliant. Thanks. He’s a hero.
This one is a little bit longer but the sound quality isn’t a good as your link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOfEzw_V-Sw

matt
matt
6 years ago

It’s my birthday today (not fishing).

My prevailing thought all day has been “unless the world changes back, I’m not sure I want another one.”

DressageRider
DressageRider
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy Birthday Matt! Keep positive, things will get better, we will fight to make it so!

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy Birthday Matt,
Let’s hope for many happier birthdays to come!

stewart
stewart
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

That’s pretty dark. This is a good place to remind you that there are plenty of sane people left.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy Birthday. Hang in there. I know exactly how you feel. Its very hard to focus on the future and get on with things amidst this utter nonsense. The truth will out though, Keep the faith.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy birthday Matt. Chin up. I still think things change for the better in October – not long now!

Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy birthday Matt! I have days like that as well — just had one yesterday when I tried to reason with our local health officer to stop renewing the mask mandate and at least make it voluntary again, given we have ZERO cases. When I asked what the exit strategy was — how far below zero we had to get — he started touting the “when the vaccine” comes bullshit. I was literally in tears thinking this will never end. But today I said to myself, I’m not letting these morons win and beat me down. At least we have a place here to commiserate, share war stories, and try to keep each other’s spirits up. Let’s live to fight another day!

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy birthday! Don’t worry, people will get bored of the nonsense before very long.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy Birthday Matt!!! We will get through this!

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Hang in, it’ll change. Step back from this shit for the weekend and let loose. Happy Birthday!

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy birthday, and yes, you do want another one, because you want to see us liberated and vindicated, and our loathsome enemies get what they deserve, and you will!

Sylvie
Sylvie
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Come on Matt, brace up. Imagine you’d been born today in 1914 in Moscow, and were celebrating your however long life from that date, instead. This is nothing.

AngloWelshDragon
AngloWelshDragon
6 years ago
Reply to  matt

Happy birthday. I must say I felt similarly grim on my birthday which fell on the last day before mandatory nuzzles in shops.

Annie
Annie
6 years ago

Would your government lie to you?
Of course they do.
You know that’s true.
It’s all deceit and bugaboo.

Howie59
Howie59
6 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Annie is the Queen of rhyme
A lady writing in her prime
Thought provoking, every line
Makes me giggle every time

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Howie59

Thank you for that kindly rhyme!

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/apoorva_nyc/status/1299705092178956288
Now even MSM New York times journalist has discovered that
Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.“NEW: All these months into the pandemic, we may have been testing the wrong way. Data from some state labs suggest up to 90% (!!) of people who get a positive result are no longer contagious and don’t need to isolate.”
This is from a journalist who wants to test more and rapidly results. She is concerned about Ct value in the test. The more spins needed in the process the less virus. And if spins more than 35-40 is used, this is too sensitive and detect not true cases.
An explanation of Ct in PCR tests is here. The analogy is like zooming in on your computer (the spin Ct) the more you need to zoom in, the less virus
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1299522467124391940.html

Very interesting this discussion about PCR test and Ct value, as all journalists think that high viral viral load (fewer spins) means more transmission but that is not exactly the case. They forgot that the virus must be viable and you need to culture it to show this.This is a recent published analysis
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v2.full.pdf
 “No study to date has cultured live virus beyond day nine… Read more »

Anthony
Anthony
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

With all the potential issues with PCR (it still seems weird to me that they seemingly amplify beyond 30 cycles until signal is or isn’t produced) I still can’t understand why more emphasis isn’t place on serological (antigen) testing. I’d imagine this test would be easier and faster to perform so not sure why it doesn’t have greater role in the current testing regime. Maybe it’s considered less sensitive, which may actually be a good thing, in respect to it only detecting those that are actually infectious.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

You’re probably actually infectious for about four days typically but PCR positive for maybe three or four weeks (and longer but with greatly reduced probability). You make a good point about cycle threshold. Obviously no point actually culturing samples for any purpose other than research. Mass PCR testing is already a huge waste of money that governments haven’t got.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The PCR test, by definition, can’t measure true viral presence, let alone viral load or actual infection.

TheBluePill
TheBluePill
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Something strange is going on here. Suddenly, over the course of a couple of days, the MSM is making encouraging noises. I’d love to think that they have all finally engaged their (tiny monkey) brains, or that the herd has started wandering towards the light, but something seems fishy. We have had a number of articles from prime MSM propaganda mouthpieces, all heading the same way. This is too sudden, my instincts say that this is bait.
I hope that this is rats sensing a sinking ship, but as usual I’m sceptical.

James Bertram
James Bertram
6 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

I’ve noticed it too, BluePill.
On BBC 6 o’ clock news today/yesterday? (can’t recall exactly) they had some report about the government giving £6m odd to scientists researching T cells, and mentioned ‘cross-immunity too for the first time.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.
Anyone have a link to this news item?

James Bertram
James Bertram
6 years ago
Reply to  James Bertram

‘Better understanding of these immune responses, particularly the T cell response, could provide targets for new therapies to treat COVID-19 and inform the efforts to develop a vaccine.’

Or it might just say ‘Don’t bother – herd immunity has got there first.’

mj
mj
6 years ago

On BBC internet posted an hour ago…
“Scotland has recorded its second highest daily jump in coronavirus cases since the end of May.
A further 88 people have tested positive for coronavirus in Scotland in the last 24 hours.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon tweeted there was “no need for alarm” and the rise was partly due to increased testing.
There were no new deaths reported in the past 24 hours…………”

Not an unreasonable report

However, headline on main BBC home page from where it is linked
“Second highest rise in Covid cases since May”
Which is pure scaremongering

Albie
Albie
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

Bit rich of Sturgeon saying no cause for alarm. There never was! She’s the one who has been frightening people to maintain her power over what they can and can’t do. Not dissimilar to your average domestic abuse perpetrator, except she’s doing it to an entire country.

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Albie

I’ve won! Don’t you dare to think for a minute that I haven’t won! It was all me, I did it. If you think there’s anything to worry about now, you’re probably English.

Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

Good thing those masks are stopping the spread!

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

No cause for alarm it’s just increased testing? That’s a little off-message. She’s supposed to pretend those are literally the only 88 infections in Scotland. 88 appears to be the new Zero. (There are probably in reality about 3000).

GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

I’m actually surprised at Sturgeon saying “no need for alarm”. The Scottish Government is the most risk averse organisation going.

OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

I’m glad the BBC are scaremongering. She’s been scaremongering for six months. Taste of her own medicine.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

I had a great time in Trafalgar Square today. First time I have ever been to a protest rally. Lovely to see so many people. The lady compering the event did a great job over three and a half hours despite problems with the PA system, and the police confiscating equipment. I am (was) a church goer who feels let down by the establishment church who seem to have prioritised the government and fear over God, so I was impressed when she prompted us to say the Lord’s Prayer.
Piers Corbyn was very good. I was nervous of what David Icke would say, but he kept his talk to the main issue of lockdown, and was entertaining. There was one speaker on 5G which for me is slightly off-topic but we all share the common goal of wanting a return to the old normal and old freedoms, so I am more than happy to share my support with all the thousands who were in Trafalgar Square today.

Chicot
Chicot
6 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

I thought David Icke absolutely stole the show. His speech was a rousing call to arms. As you said, he stayed on message which did seem to be a problem with some of the other speakers.

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

Was any of it streamed on YouTube? I’ve been trying to find it.

Edward
Edward
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

There was a live stream. YouTube may have fiddled the search algorithm to make it hard to find.

Lucky
Lucky
6 years ago
Reply to  james007
james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  Lucky

Brilliant thanks !

Ruby Brunel
Ruby Brunel
6 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

I was also at the demo in London today. I thought the crowd numbers were good and bigger than some others have suggested on here – it certainly felt like that when we marched down to Whitehall. People around me and those that I saw were all like minded folk who want an end to this madness and want their freedoms restored. I’ve never been on a protest before but I’m so glad I was part of this today.

Edward
Edward
6 years ago
Reply to  Sarah

I heard/saw a bit on YouTube. Dolores Cahill was impressive.

DJC
DJC
6 years ago

My wife and I took part in our first ever demonstration today at Place de la Nation in Paris, against masks and against lockdowns. We weren’t sure what to expect but when we arrived there were already several hundred people present. We had to pass through a circle of police to attend, it seemed at times that there were almost as many police as demonstrators. A mixed crowd, it was good to meet and discuss with fellow sceptics. The main demands were for freedom of choice and liberty in general and against the horrific treatment that kids will receive when schools start again. The police refused to allow anyone to exit except through a narrow tunnel where apparently identity cards were examined and fines of €135 applied for non-wearing of masks. More police arrived all the time, their circle getting closer in an obvious attempt to intimidate. Eventually they “retreated”, allowing the remaining crowd to disperse freely, finally advancing to remove the last protestors.

It was strange and strangely exhilarating to shake hands with strangers after so long a time, to meet and talk with intelligent people who are against this madness. Maybe not a huge impact, but at least… Read more »

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  DJC

Well done. As you say, a stand against such disgusting bullying and dehumanisation.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  DJC

Nice work.

davews
davews
6 years ago

Talking to my brother on the phone tonight. He suffers from asthma and has the same hearing aid tangling issue I had. He was not aware of the exemptions, guess we have another recruit.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

There was a show on T4 called Shipwrecked that aired between 1999-2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipwrecked_(TV_series)

In one particular episode the islanders decided to kill the pet pig for some much needed protein. There was a bit of a split as some people had grown quite attached to the pig.

However there was a vote and the idea of some roast pig was too good to turn down after weeks of tinned lambs tongue and foraged food.

They had clearly been shown how to kill the pig humanely and most were willing to take part in the killing. One guy in particular refused to even watch as it was against his ethics, which was fair enough. However, after the deed was done and the pig roasted he had no problem in eating it.

There will be people criticising those who are protesting around the world about the restrictions to our freedoms. But I bet that these very people will quite happily enjoy any freedoms that may be hard won for them without a second thought.

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Let us do the dirty work while others cower under their beds.

Keith
Keith
6 years ago

I’ve been strongly enough a lockdown sceptic for long enough that I’m not sure whether:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/08/28/dutch-will-pay-price-light-touch-lockdown/

is a bed-wetter’s piece or actually written by one of us. The cost of a “light lockdown” is economic crisis, the article makes this plain and shows how light lockdowns still don’t do damage so terrible as the carnage a harder lockdown causes. Reading as I did I found the piece to be standing against lockdown on the basis that even a light one hurts. The Dutch have NOT seen a death-rate-cost from locking down very little, they HAVE seen an economic-cost from having locked down even a bit. Locking down is never intelligent, but the Dutch were still more sensible than the UK or France or Belgium. Belgium was, until the cost of prolonged hard lockdowns became evident in Peru, world leader in excess deaths per million, probably BECAUSE not despite of the hard lockdown Belgium had.

Ozzie
6 years ago

Interesting letter in today’s DT (one of a number from doctors) – my highlighting:

“SIR – Neil Mortensen, the President of the Royal College of Surgeons (report, August 28) estimates that NHS surgeons are working at 50 per cent capacity because of procedures to protect against the Covid-19 virus.
Why are these still in place when (by the only measures that matter, deaths and hospital admissions) the epidemic is over and has been for some time?
This egregious damage to health services, the economy, education and social cohesion has gone on too long.
John Black FRCS
President, Royal College of Surgeons 2008-11
Malvern, Worcestershire”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/08/28/letterspatients-report-gps-turn-away-dealt-dialling-111/

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

If only someone in the MSM would put those points to Johnson, Wankock and the rest.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

And you think they’d get a coherent answer?

Annie
Annie
6 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Surely this voice must carry some weight with our governing imbeciles?

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Testify!

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago

‘Metropolis’.

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