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Mass Gatherings Back On in Sweden

Swedish epidemiologist Agners Tegnell – not all superheroes wear masks

Another step back to normality for the country that brazenly refused to lock down. Reuters has the story (hat tip Alistair Haimes):

Swedish concert goers and soccer fans can be allowed back in venues from October after the country’s Health Agency accepted a government proposal to raise the limit for some events to 500 from the current 50. With the number of new infections and COVID-19 deaths falling in Sweden, the government said last week it planned to introduce exceptions to the 50-person maximum for events from Oct. 1. In March, Sweden limited public gatherings to 50 people to halt the spread of the virus, effectively preventing theatres, soccer clubs and concerts from being able to bring in revenues from the public. “The proposal relates to events where there are numbered seats,” the Agency’s chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told reporters, adding that people should be seated at least one metre apart. He said the effects of the changes would be evaluated “and if it works well, the limit can be raised”.

The ban on gatherings over 50 was one of the few social distancing measures Sweden made compulsory – though at least Swedes could still gather in groups of up to 50 throughout the epidemic, unlike here where we were placed under effective house arrest for over two months. In England, gatherings over 30 are still prohibited, with exceptions for schools and workplaces, and while the government is aiming to bring back sports events from October 1 uncertainty hangs over this, with Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty even warning that we may have to shut pubs to open schools. Sweden yet again showing that the path back to normality lies in accepting that you cannot hide from this virus forever.

Scientists and Doctors Back Herd Immunity

Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19? | Discover Magazine

The once-maligned herd immunity is getting better press every day as more and more people accept it’s the only real way out of this debacle. Dr John Lee has one of his typically incisive analyses in the Spectator this week, adding his voice to those pointing out that immunity comes in many forms, and that antibody tests may be as misleading as PCR antigen tests in giving us a true picture of this virus:

A lot of emphasis is being placed on the presence of antibodies: if you test negative then you’re at risk. This would be alarming if true, especially as the latest official figures show just 6 per cent of Brits have tested positive for antibodies. But the real picture is, as so often, more complicated. The main way we fight viruses is through T-cell responses, which kill virally infected cells. Interestingly, some studies have shown that up to 60 per cent of people apparently never exposed to Covid-19 still had T-cells that reacted to the virus – suggesting that you might not need to have had this virus to have protection from it. It’s a hugely important theory. But T-cell responses are harder to measure than antibodies, so they are not being widely tested for. 

Now that the Brazilian city of Manaus has confirmed that a coronavirus epidemic can go into spontaneous decline when around 20% of the population has developed antibodies regardless of lockdown or social distancing, the prospect of herd immunity is looking more achievable to many. News that reinfection is possible has been countered by scientists pointing out that they never thought otherwise, but that doesn’t mean there’s no hope of herd immunity. Helen Branswell at STAT has the details:

There’s been enormous amounts of debate – and concern – about how long-lasting or “durable” immune responses to this virus will be, based on a few scientific papers that suggest some people don’t develop many antibodies to the virus and others that report that those antibodies appear to decline quickly. The experts who spoke with STAT all felt that the immune responses to this virus are exactly what you would expect to see. And the case of the Hong Kong man who appears to have been reinfected underscore that, several said. “The fact that somebody may get reinfected is not surprising. But the reinfection didn’t cause disease,” said Peiris, who knows about the case but was not one of the authors reporting it. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York who studies human responses to viral infections, said it is hard to be definitive, given the limited human experience with this new coronavirus, but she said she could see no reason to believe the immune system would behave differently to this respiratory virus than to others. “So far, anyway, the evidence supports functional immunity, but the only way to see how long that will last is to follow people over time and see if those responses diminish,” she said. “The idea there is that, yes, your antibodies might wane, but your memory responses aren’t absent,” said Menachery, noting that when a primed immune system re-encounters the virus, production of antibodies would kick into gear.

Worth reading in full.

Are You in the 99.99% Group?

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Is this really the virus that has brought the world to its knees? Michael Bayer has posted on Twitter a table from Sweden showing the likelihood of surviving COVID-19 broken down by age, sex and underlying conditions (hat tip Ivor Cummins). Most of the population has over 99.99 per cent chance of survival, and even among the very highest risk group of men over 80 with underlying conditions around four out of five survive. The average age of those who die is 84. Yet so effective has Project Fear been that the public thinks the death toll is over 100 times worse than it is. No doubt Covid can be nasty, especially if you’re in a high risk group. But so are many illnesses, and as viruses go SARS-CoV-2 is far from the deadliest the world has seen, and seems to be getting punier. The government needs to take the lead on dialling down the panic, not stoking it up.

Blaming a ‘Mutant Algorithm’ Betrays Boris’s Ignorance

An artist’s impression of a mutant algorithm

Retired Chartered Statistician Brian Gedalla of the Royal Statistical Society has been in touch with a few words for the Prime Minister about his egregious attempt to blame an inanimate algorithm for his government’s entirely foreseeable exam grades fiasco:

The Prime Minister cannot be allowed to get away with blaming the exams fiasco on a “mutant algorithm”. There is no such thing. Algorithms are just sets of rules programmed into a computer. This algorithm was designed to produce a statistical distribution of grades according to a set of predetermined parameters. Its main purpose seems to have been to arrest the grade inflation which it was feared would be exacerbated by over-optimistic teacher assessments. Anyone with a reasonable knowledge of statistics could have told Ministers and Officials that while a fancy algorithm would get the overall picture right, it was highly unlikely to be able to “assign” that distribution to individual candidates to produce a bottom-up set of results appropriate to each candidate. The fault lies squarely with the Ministers and Officials who, yet again, have demonstrated that they are essentially ignorant of any understanding of numerate disciplines. It is hardly their fault that they do not understand mathematical concepts such as risk, statistical distributions and numerical modelling: they are not trained for such knowledge. But this failure has been a recurrent theme throughout this pandemic crisis. What is surprising and disappointing is that they do not seek out advice from those who could help them. In fact, the Royal Statistical Society DID try to help. Read here the correspondence between the RSS and Ofqual.

Maybe time to listen to some new experts, Boris.

What Killed Everyone Else?

More people are waiting longer for follow-up hospital appointments

According to the ONS, during the height of the epidemic in the UK two out of every five excess deaths, or 16,000 deaths, were from causes other than “with COVID-19”, most of them a result of lack of access to medical care. This disturbing picture is coming into sharper focus now as more data comes in. The Telegraph‘s Laura Donnelly reports that the number of heart attacks detected and treated fell by 40% during the pandemic, while the number of deaths from heart attacks spiked by a similar amount:

Earlier this month, a major study found deaths from the most common type of heart attack rose by almost 40 per cent during lockdown. The research prompted warnings that the Government’s “Stay at Home” message may have had a “devastating” impact, in deterring thousands of patients in medical crisis from seeking help. Cardiologists said that people were still having as many heart attacks, but were deciding not to go to hospital, either because they were trying to follow “stay home” messages or were afraid of picking up the virus in hospital. 

The Times estimates that there are 15.3 million people currently on NHS waiting lists in need of follow-up appointments for health problems. Is it any wonder the Government’s own report predicted 200,000 deaths due to lockdown? And this is to say nothing of the hundreds of millions globally who will starve because of the lockdowns and economic collapse. Has a ‘cure’ ever been so much worse than the disease?

Stop Press: Ross Clark on the money in the Telegraph as usual asking “Did protecting the NHS actually cost lives?” You know the answer.

Round-Up

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 8th to Oct 17th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 30,000).

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

Bob sums up disappointment with the barely recognisable Boris Johnson in the Telegraph

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mj
mj
6 years ago

NOTE – SATURDAY,S PAGE HAS BEEN UP FOR HOURS!!!!! please move on

Basileus
Basileus
6 years ago

Interesting article in the local rag.

Mum’s face mask fury as Cotswold Outdoor in Newcastle asks her to prove daughter is deaf

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/cotswold-outdoor-newcastle-face-mask-18839228

‘The mum of a disabled girl who relies on lip reading says she was turned away from a Newcastle store for not wearing a mask.

The mum and daughter shopping trip ended in anger as she claims staff at the Cotswold Outdoor shop in Northumberland Street asked for proof that her child was deaf.
Full-time mum Julie Muller and her eight-year-old daughter Sadie-Grace Muller had gone to the camping shop on August 6 ahead of a trip to the Lake District.

However, Julie, 41, was stopped from entering as she was not wearing a mask.
She explained that she was exempt because her daughter is deaf and needs to lip read to communicate.”

‘Julie claims that the manager said that due to company policy, they could come in, but she would not be served without a mask, and so Julie decided not to stay.’

If this claim is upheld the manager and the company may have some tough questions to answer in light of the Disability Discrimination Act.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Problem with democracy? BBC bias not reporting thing fairly? Covid19 measure being seen as positive even in local press?

The BBC has a solution for the problem. BBC Local Democracy Reporters. Journalists loaded into local news organisation at the pay (and say so) of the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/lnp/ldrs

A local evening rag in Edinburgh installed their LDR into the city chambers where he sat and simply reported what the council wanted. No investigation, just a conduit communicator between us and them.

Your local news will be laced with similar. Thay are not overtly acknowledged. Why?

mj
mj
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

wow! amazing discovery. i had never seen this before.. If you follow the link there further links to the detail – and the numbers involved. 144! One hundred and forty four. That is gross! (sorry!!). So the BBC pay for and embed 144 reporters with local newspaper organisations. For example 6 with the Manchester evening news, 5 with the Liverpool echo. And as Basics states, they are reporting on local politics – the mayors and the councils serving the boroughs that the newspapers cover, So what does a junior reporter earn. Say £25K. Including employer costs that’s around £4 million a year,

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

Warning.Fake news BBC this morningCoronavirus: Children’s role in spread puzzles scientistsBBC says RNA fragments in high in PCR tests is the same as live transmissible virus.Dangerous misinformation.See the aricle quoted
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2770150
“Thus, we could not answer the question about infectivity and the infectious period in this cohort study”
 “The detection of virus RNA in respiratory specimens in this study does not necessarily imply that viable virus is present. However, if proven infectious (because most of the children were asymptomatic, were presymptomatic, or had unrecognizable symptoms in this study), the transmission potential of SARS-CoV-2 in children and its effect on the community might be greater than expected.”  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v2.full.pdf
“No live virus was isolated from any respiratory samples taken after day 8 of symptoms in three studies, or beyond day 9 despite persistently high viral RNA loads.” 

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360592

Covid 19 coronavirus: Experts call for rethink on Auckland’s move to level 2
“Auckland University Professor Shaun Hendy, whose modelling has guided the Government’s response to date, said ministers should reconsider moving Auckland to alert level 2 on Monday – and if the change still goes ahead, employers should keep workers at home if possible.

“If you can work at home, you should continue to do so for the next few weeks,” he said.”
“Otago University Professor Michael Baker said Auckland should stay at least at a heightened “level 2.5” with the planned limit of 10 on social gatherings and everyone wearing masks in all indoor spaces outside their own homes.”
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern declined to comment today but is due to confirm alert levels at 1pm tomorrow.”
Is St Jacinda going to listen to her scientific advisors or not?

mj
mj
6 years ago

Just been for my morning walk to feed the swans and pick brambles. Listened to last nights “Any Questions” ( really “any BBC approved questions”. It is so depressing. 3 MPs. con, lab and SNP. All non entities. All bedwetters. Numpty BBC host who toed the BBC line and directed the discussions down that path as she did with Toby last week. And sadly, Ian Dale was the fourth panellist and he was disappointing. I expected far more common sense and challenge from him.
Even the questions were from bedwetters.
Only one questioner had a decent questions. A landlord who had not had rent for 9 months from a working tenant. Of course she cannot evict this person as all tenants are protected. Unintended consequences of a dodgy, ill thought out law.
Now having breakfast and BBC news showing an interview with the outgoing BBC DG, Hall, Explains why the BBC is where it is now What a complete Islington liberal woke arsehole.
No more BBC today otherwise my gonads will explode

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
6 years ago

Am I going mad or has the rest of the world abandoned the rational, logical and questioning world of my youth and gone back to living in a world of sorcery, soothsaying, ju-ju and witch doctors? Matt Hancock is wringing his hands over a ‘second wave’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-uk-second-wave-lockdown-national-local-matt-hancock-a9695046.html
All this for a disease where as the Mail reported the average age of death is higher than average life expectancy;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8470843/The-average-Covid-19-victim-OLDER-age-people-usually-die-Scotland.html
There is talk today of closing schools if a pupil tests +ve ……….. for a disease that is less damaging to children than chicken pox!

What happened to the country where Nelson said ‘I see no signal’ and went on to win? there is certainly no Nelson in this Government or in the Health Authorities. Witless Whitty, Hapless Hancock and Buffoning Boris are displaying the worst sort of micro-management, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic when what we need are people in charge who have vision and perspective who can step back and take an overall view of this madness.

In my view the evidence coming out on this virus indicates that we do not need to take broad brush action against the whole population and can now release most… Read more »

TheRealRob
TheRealRob
6 years ago

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is in Berlin!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zuiQ07DYJ4

I transcribed some of his words (I hope I got everything right!):

“Many people argue that this pandemic was a plandemic. That it was planned from the outset, that it’s part of a sinister scheme. I can’t tell you the answer to that. I don’t have enough evidence. A lot of it feels very planned to me. But I don’t know. I will tell you this: If you create these mechanisms for control, they become weapons of obedience. For all authoritarian regimes, no matter how beneficial or innocent the people who created them – once you create them, they will be abused. A 100% guarantee that they will be abused. 
[…]
We wanna see the studies. We wanna see the studies on Hydroxychloroquine. We wanna see the studies on whether the lockdown is killing more people than the Corona virus. We wanna see real science and real risk assessment. 
[…] 
My father told me when I was a child: “People in authority lie”. If we are going to continue to live in a democracy, we need to understand that people in authority lie, people in authority will abuse every power that we… Read more »

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

Newsnight tonight reporting on government worst case scenario for the winter period – 85,000 deaths. That is a very, very unlikely outcome . Were it to eventuate we would still cope. Even the government admit now that despite this effective doubling of the death rate under the worst case scenario they would still keep the schools open! So all the bollox about “if it saves a single life” has clearly been jettisoned. Good.

NonCompliant
NonCompliant
6 years ago
Sylvie
Sylvie
6 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

Greencore, sandwich makers to Asda, Tesco, M&S, Waitrose etc., failed to tell workers that a manager had tested positive back in May, so preventing them isolating, asked drivers and packers to go back to work when they were supposed to be isolating, had to close for a deep clean a week ago after 300 tested positive, and now the workers are under penalty of fines if they and household don’t self isolate:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-52531831
Not reported how many are actually symptomatic, of course.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

These concentrated outbreaks in places like abbatoirs or food processing plants are v misleading. They are simply concentrated examples of how the virus transmits. But the principal routes of transmission – big supermarkets – never feature as high risk because: (a) unlike for pubs, restaurants and other areas of social contact no direct records of attendance are kept and (b) the government would not wish to suggest that the places we get our food are “unsafe” (even though by the government’s own measure they clearly are).

Will
Will
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Or were…

mj
mj
6 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

surely if this flagrant abuse of the regulations had actually had any impact we would have seen this in the figures.. but we havent . So we have 300 positive tests, so what ? Has anyone actually got the disease?

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

There is a hashtag on Twitter #wearamask Running through it has made me want to shoot myself. Jesus, some allegedly intelligent people. Madness of crowds doesn’t come into it, these people are seriously unwell and the virtue signalling is making me want to bring up my wine. Don’t these people take note ot the statistics?

Carlo
Carlo
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

There have been hashtags throughout this thing that piss me off.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

http://bioinvasions.org/wp-content/uploads/Cohen-Kessel-medRxiv-preprint.pdf

False positives in reverse transcription PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2
 
“Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned about the potential for false positives in RT-PCR testing, restricted testing to individuals most likely to have the disease to avoid generating excessive false positives, and required confirmation of positive results by a second test (10, 11). These warnings and requirements are absent from these organizations’ guidance on SARS-CoV-2 (12, 13). Perhaps they should be reinstated.”

Liam
Liam
6 years ago

“Should a nan, to preserve his life, pay everything that gives life colour, scent, excitement? Can one accept a life of digestion, respiration, muscular and brain activity- and nothing else? Is this not an exorbitant price? Is it not mockery?”

Solzhenitsyn, Cancer Ward.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Solzhenitsyn? Isn’t he a non-person in 2020 BBC-approved PC UK?

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Liam

Boris would answer: yes, yes, no and no. And that is why he must go, go, go.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/plaforscience/status/1299336066500091908/photo/1

Confusion from Spain.Aragon.
It says 22 Aug 493 cases from 4546 PCR tests 63% asymptomatic but only 1392 patients tested.
Do they take 3 PCR test for each patient? Or are they taken repeat tests on known pos and count them as new case?
And this rubbish is supposed to guide the response.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The Spanish doctor doing the rounds confirmed this. Someone posted a clip of him being interviewes and yes, a person tested 3 times in hospital is counted as 3 cases

Will
Will
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The desperation to maintain the fear levels is unbelievable.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Poll: Majority of Germans in favor of stricter COVID rules
“An overwhelming majority of people in Germany support current regulations aimed at reducing the spread of coronavirus, or favor even stricter rules, according to a poll carried out by public broadcaster ZDF. A mere 10% considered the current regulations to be over-the-top.

With the number of new daily cases in Germany on the rise, 77% of those who took part in the poll agreed that stricter controls were necessary in order to keep the spread of the novel coronavirus in check.

Party affiliation made little difference with the majority of affiliates from most parties declaring their support for the current measures. The one exception was among supporters of the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party. Even among this group just under half of those surveyed were in favor of the restrictions.”

Pretty depressing stuff, though it’s nice to see the AfD support (5.8m votes, 12.6% at last Federal election) at least holding out to some extent. When you are excluded from much of the public square as politically taboo, it does make you less likely to buy into mainstream media propaganda. AfD supporters know as an absolute certain fact that… Read more »

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think the situation is more complex.There are in the Green party some dissenters like Dr Wodarg,who I think was a green MEP,so much more diverse than supected

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Without looking at the full results, the suggestion is that majorities in all the main parties except AfD support the panic. Presumably that would be CDU/CSU, SPD, FPD, Left and Greens

For sure there will be dissenters in each of the parties, but not very many, apparently. That said, CDU/CSU and SPD vote numbers were each around twice AfD, so that would bring absolute numbers closer, but Greens polled a lot less than AfD at the last Federal election.

Silke David
Silke David
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Watch the press conference of Michael Ballweg and Ralph Ludwig from Querdenken 711 and Imitators of the Demo in Berlin on Saturday, 29th on their YT channel. The man from the ZDF tried again and again to put words into their mouth saying the demo participants are all out to infect loads of people. He was a disgrace to serious journalism.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Mainstream journalist lying and trying to smear is rather a “dog bites man”story for lockdown sceptics….

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Except not serious journalism

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I don’t believe any of these polls. I have only once been polled – during the AIDS scare – by telephone when the question was ‘Was I prepared to change my sexual activity in light of the AIDS statistics/findings?’ Since I was celibate at the time I said no. So imagine where that went in the statistics. ‘People still being reckless, won’t change habits.’ It was the only doozy question, no qualifying follow up. These polls are bollocks, pollsters have no interest in pushing back against the establishment line. Speaking as someone who did not want Trump elected I went to bed that fateful November night with polls saying an 85% guaranteed win for Clinton. Look what happened.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

In the words of Sir Humphrey opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion not measuring

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Correct Bella. I was polled back in April by ISM. Laughable. They give a series of leading questions that don’t allow you to tell them how you really feel.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

You can tell when polls have been cooked. They suddenly narrow in the last week. That’s what happened with all those EU Referendum and 2016 US Presidential polls. Suddenly 5 to 10 point leads for Clinton and Remain shrank to 2 to 5 points. The earlier polls served the purpose of demoralising the opposition.

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark

These polls just keep coming, but they don’t reflect a lot of people’s real world behaviour at all.

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Richard Alldread
Richard Alldread
6 years ago
Reply to  richard riewer

Test

Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
6 years ago

The future history of Covid19 book will have one of its biggest chapters dedicated to the folly of New Zealand. St Jacinda has now decided to release Auckland from its level 3 lockdown on Monday ….. The New Zealand Media has since March been North Korean in its propaganda ; no dissent is allowed. I do find it therefore heartening that in an article published by the only NZ broadsheet that an opinion poll indicates 24 % of people do not find the policy of viral elimination credible. That such a number of people can oppose the government in what is a defacto authoritarian medical police state is tremendously encourageing .

Maybe as well as sheep in New Zealand there are free thinkers.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360324

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Remember she locked down her country twice for less than ten deaths per million of the population.

Absolutely insane.

Edit, I had to check so gave myself wiggle room saying less than ten.

It’s 4, 4 people in every million

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

Yep total insanity.

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
6 years ago

How many of you are going on the demo tomorrow? I am gutted that because of family commitments I can’t go, but I only found out about it last week. I will go on any future ones if we can get it organised so there is plenty of notice and I can organise child and dog care in good time. I am certain there are several million of us now. We do need to mobilise so they can’t ignore/ridicule us any more. To all those going, Thank You.

DomW
DomW
6 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

I’m there!

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
6 years ago
Reply to  DomW

Good man!

Chicot
Chicot
6 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

I’m going. 3 hr train journey for me but this is too important to sit out.

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
6 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

Thank you. I promise I will be on the next one. I feel terrible not being there tomorrow. My wife who is generally a LS and supports me, has a hen do this weekend so I am looking after kids and dog.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

I hope to be there Chris. Might even see some Gooners I can irritate on the way. 🙂

Don’t feel bad though – your letter to the school was very good, helped a load of people. And unless Johnson falls on his sword, there’ll be other demos.

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Thanks John. Got a rather pathetic reply from the Headmaster which I will post tomorrow. He took over from a great Headmaster last year, and is according to my daughter, very weak. Keep irritating the Gooners, as a Leeds fan from Essex I find them the most annoying ‘woke’ pro- lockdown of all.

Eddie
Eddie
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Haha feel free to irritate any masked Gooners but any sporting a full face are your comrades.
a Gooner in Canada

Chris Hume
Chris Hume
6 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Fair play Eddie. 1972 😄

richard riewer
richard riewer
6 years ago
Basics
Basics
6 years ago

NHS withdrawing support for carehomes during lockdown.

Simon Dolan has tweeted out the relevant passage from a letter he has recieved from a relative of someone in a carehome.

See the passage here:

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1298975894598332417?s=20

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

People are just not seeing this they are only seeing how good the NHS is being.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago

Sweden daily cases 7 day rolling average = 215, so cumulative 7 day = 1,505

Population 10,109,203

So cumulative last 7 days cases per 100,000 = 1,505 * 100,000 / 10,109, 203 = 14.89

Threshold for travel corridor to UK = 20

So arrivals from Sweden should be exempt from quarantine as at next review

Is my arithmetic and understanding correct?

Just preparing my case for MP, FCO, whoever else I can think of

Start something trending on Twitter?

Any advice appreciated

(Data from Worldometers)

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Well this is from the Public Health agency re testing here in Sweden:

‘Incorrect test results in about 3,700 covid-19 tests
Two Swedish laboratories have discovered deficiencies in a CE-marked so-called test kit that was used to show an ongoing covid-19 infection. Due to the error, the test method has not been able to distinguish between low levels of covid-19 virus and a negative sample.
The error has led to about 3,700 people sampled in nine different regions having probably received false positive results. They have thus been incorrectly informed that they have a covid-19 infection.

All concerned will be contacted no later than Thursday 27 August about what has happened and have their test results withdrawn. Since it has been several weeks since the current samples were taken, it does not make sense to do new tests for those who at the time suspected they had been infected. However, those concerned will be offered a free antibody test by each care provider in their region. An antibody test can in some cases detect a previous covid-19 infection . If you have been tested for covid-19 and have not been contacted by Thursday 27 August, you can therefore count… Read more »

PastImperfect
PastImperfect
6 years ago

I don’t know where I came across this link. It could have been here, but starting at about 32 mins in it starts to deal with the question “what can we do?” and the rest of the video deals with a possible process that work here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKdsL57SUZo&feature=emb_logo

DomW
DomW
6 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Chilling but fantastic video.

I love the simple (starting point) answer to the question – What can we do ?

“We will not comply”

That would be an awesome chant for the demo tomorrow. I do hope that someone tries to get it up and running at some point 😉

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Ich bin ein Berliner!

Robert Kennedy Jr will be at the protests tomorrow in Berlin.

https://youtu.be/Yif15xC-aTg

Predicted crowd numbers are big.

RyanM
RyanM
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I am still a jelly doughnut

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

It’s not what it’s who said it!

Seems to be an amount of genuine excitement over tomorrows events. Hard to work out but certainly suggest people keep an eye on any live streams. Ruptly youtube channel will be streaming live without commentary from within the crowd.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

That man is a jeffing hero.

I hadn’t come across his work before this CCP Virus nonsense.

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago

A potentially worrying development from Spain. This from The Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):

Coronavirus-denier arrested in Spain for inciting hatred and violence on social media

A man who branded the coronavirus pandemic a “hoax” has been arrested in Spain for inciting hatred and violence.

The 38-year-old, who claimed health professionals and the media were behind what he called the “Covid farce”, urged his social media followers to attack politicians and journalists, police said.

Passing himself off as a government official, police said the suspect allegedly made calls to nursing homes, hospitals and football clubs to spread false information about the pandemic.

Detectives were able to trace the man, described as a “grave danger” to public health, to a location just outside Zaragoza, the capital of Aragon.

So what precisely, I wonder, is meant by “attack”?

Lord Rickmansworth
Lord Rickmansworth
6 years ago

EPISODE 4 IS HERE! Today we talk about the University Health NKVD, fools on Twitter, plus is the awakening happening in Europe? Get you fix below!
https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

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Steeve
Steeve
6 years ago

Just back from a few days away in a remote part of Wales. Just checking – ‘ARE WE BACK TO NORMAL?‘

CGL
CGL
6 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

I really dont want to go back to England. Wales is the best!!

Mr Dee
Mr Dee
6 years ago
Reply to  CGL

You can have refugee status here if you want.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

I have just been over that way, it was pretty normal. However we were just sat in fields surrounded with actual four legged sheep. Much more agreeable than the general UK population. That said shopping with no mandatory face nappies was a joy, we walked about the shop giggling like naughty school children.

Bella
Bella
6 years ago

Accidentally run into a BBC programme tonight. God they’re still pushing the Covid agenda as a deadly disease, track and trace, stay alert. We need to stay alert for charlatans masquerading as broadcasters for their master charlatans the politicians

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

BBC = evil

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s always served those who seek to rule us. Orwell condemned it as an imperialist propaganda machine, which it once was (no mea culpa, no call for defunding of itself from the modern BBC). Reith was openly pro-fascist. The 21st century BBC wants us to be ruled by censoring IT billionaires, sinister billionaire “philanthropists”,
PC academics, Far Left extremists and race-obsessed BLM activists.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The BBC IS Mi7

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Welcome back Two-Six. Hope you had a nice time away. Now where is KH? Not heard from her in days.

mj
mj
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

And now showing first night of the proms.. BBC trying to pretend they are cultural .. No audience and the orchestra two trombones apart . Bet they would love to have an audience there. Shame the MSM has made everyone so scared there cant be one. As a tv spectacle it is appalling . Wonder what audience size they will get….

mj
mj
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

coincidentally BBC1 is now showing “Would I lie to you”.. I think the unanimous answer is Yes they would

james007
james007
6 years ago
Reply to  mj

If there was an audience, I would hope for a large protest of hundreds of audience members singing “Land of Hope and Glory”. The BBC producers are probably relieved not to have an audience.
I do not watch any BBC content now, but may listen to radio 3 in the car. I want to cancel my licence, but as far as I know Cbeebies still is the best content for young children.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  james007

There is no ‘best’ content for young kids, James. Sitting watching rain on windows is far preferable to anything on the idiot box.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

They had Far Left Communist extremist SAGE advisor Susan Michie on Newsnight yedterday and gave her free rein to spread lying propaganda about office workers being in mortal danger from Covid.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Yup, evil

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

Local mockdowns eased in piecemeal but more sensible fashion.
Can’t believe how self-righteous and clueless some of the commenters are:

While some people agree that some parts of Bradford should remain in lockdown because they were not abiding by the rules others do not think its fair.

Here’s a typical example:

One resident from Bradford agreed with the decision as not enough people were abiding by the rules.
Jules, from Heaton, said: “I think it’s fair. If they’re still keeping the rules it’s because not enough people are following them.
“Obviously in those places (where restrictions have been lifted) people have done as they’re told, wearing masks and not having parties.”

Richard O
Richard O
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Jules from Heaton obviously missing a chromosome or two. He might need the vaccine to fill in the gaps.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

Maybe only looks like a human, but isn’t one. Maybe my plumber was right – we’re surrounded by reptiles in human form

Richard O
Richard O
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The brainwashing has definitely resulted in what I can only describe as possession. The more severe cases I have encountered are positively demonic, there is a really malevolent energy about them.

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

You may be right about the malevolence.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jQ9x9gFY7A
PJW: Cancel Culture Psychopaths

A video explaining how the biggest virtue signallers have one or more of the three dark triad personality traits, i.e. narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Lms2

Useful shorthand = arseholes.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

I’ve felt this too, Richard, and think possession is an accurate term.

Old Mum
6 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

That made me LOL!

Bella
Bella
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I read that as not having panties which amused me greatly. Wearing masks instead of panties sounds like a wonderful new fetish

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  Bella

Or the other way around….

matt
matt
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Reminds me of a story a few years ago of some footballer who had killed someone while driving 4 times over the limit. The call was for a reduction in the drink driving limit.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago

At the optician: The unmasked receptionist asked me how I was. I said that I probably had every symptom of Covid19, according to a list I’d seen recently. It didn’t go down well so I smiled and said, ‘not really’. She then went through the prescribed list of questions, ‘Do you have a new or persistent cough’. I said ‘yes’ and Karen’s (yes the optician is really called Karen but she’s OK!) voice drifted through from the back, ‘It’s not new, is it, Miriam?’. ‘No, I’ve had it since December’. OK, next question, ‘Do you have Covid19?’, ‘I honestly don’t know but I don’t think so.’ etc. etc. Anyway, I seemed to pass and I apologised for my flippant attitude. I shouldn’t make war on them.

Karen has to wear the full bollox, mask, visor, gloves and apron, it all has to be thrown away after each patient. She can keep the mask on though and it’s making her gums hurt and she can’t breathe a lot of the time. She said they can’t claim exemptions. Basically she’s a LS and is really pissed off about it all. She thinks the schools will get closed down really quickly as the… Read more »

Richard O
Richard O
6 years ago

Anyone in favour of lockdown etc. who is suffering should not receive any sympathy whatsoever. They are getting exactly what they deserve.

I do feel genuinely sorry for caring/sensitive/shy people who are probably going along to get along out of sheer terror. Thankfully I am not burdened with any of these character traits.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Richard O

They’ve been hypnotized by nasty people, Richard. Yes, maybe they could have been more aware/stronger/wiser before it all happened, but they weren’t. They need fixing.

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
6 years ago

Sounds terrible, nothing like that at our local outfit. I was asked to wear a surgical mask and did so to avoid giving them a hard time. At one stage in the eye exam (close up look at eyes) the optician reached round the plastic screen to lift my drooping (genetic) eyelids with his finger. I could have hugged him too! Our town was known for bricks, gunpowder and beer making. Only beer left but that pragmatic view of life remains I like to think.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

The optician was done up like a dog’s dinner but I was maskless! Your optician sounds sensible. I think mine just is scared of losing her business. MW

Paul
Paul
6 years ago

My dad,in his late 70s,has arranged an appointment at Specsavers tomorrow.

‘You’ll need a face covering’ says the woman on the phone,
‘No I won’t thankyou’ says my dad,
‘but you have to’,replies woman,
No I don’t,I’m exempt’ my dad informs her,
‘oh,well,er,well,I suppose that’s okay’ she says.
Too right it’s okay,Specsavers seem to have a bad attitude to mask exempt customers and my dad is geared up not to take any shit from them !,he’s fully ready with a detailed take-down if they start on him.

Also today a big brave man called my wife,who can’t wear a mask for medical reasons,’a f**ker with no f**king mask’,if I’d been there he would have been a f**ker with a f**king broken nose.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

The incident involving your wife reminded me of my own. It’s bullying pure and simple – had I been a bloke over six foot and built like rugby player or a black man or a black woman, bet no-one would have dared comment on be being unamuzzled.

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes,no-one has ever said a thing when I have been with her,I am over six foot and built like a rugby player,well,a little bit like one !.
She has been hassled or abused about a dozen times now,always by other customers in shops,she’s never had a single problem with staff.To her credit she has never risen to the challenge of the abuse and tries not to let it bother her although I think it does more so than she lets on.I am very proud of her and she continues to go where she wants without a muzzle even though she is usually the only person without a mask in every shop she goes into,a situation I find quite intimidating most of the time.

Klein
Klein
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

fucking wankers pick on women – I’ve yet to have anyone say anything to me.

watashi
watashi
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I’m sorry to hear that about your wife. I have also had men being rude in an aggressive manner. Very unpleasant. Hope she is ok.

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  watashi

Yes,she’s okay thankyou watashi.

davews
davews
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I have a Specsaver appointment on Wednesday. Forgot to ask about masks on the phone but will go in with my lanyard and see what happens… (dirty mask in pocket just in case…)

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
6 years ago
Reply to  davews

Don’t wear it! MW

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Big brave man sounds like another James O’Brien….

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Well done your old man, Paul !

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