First we had the Economist claiming to be able to work out how many had really died in the pandemic, then the Lancet joined in. Now it’s the turn of the World Health Organisation. While the Economist and Lancet claim the true toll is around 18 million (though find a very different distribution across countries), the WHO goes for 15 million. Once more we find that the (massive) gaps in reported data are filled in with modelling: “The methods rely on a statistical model derived using information from countries with adequate data; the model is used to generate estimates for countries with little or no data available.”
The estimates for India are particularly inflated and have drawn sharp criticism from the Indian Government. The WHO claims that India experienced 3,400 deaths per million over the two years (note the figures quoted in most reports as WHO estimates for 2020-21 are an average of the two years), which amounts to 4.69 million total deaths – almost a third of the global total. That’s nearly 10 times more than India’s official Covid death toll.
India’s official Covid death toll in 2020 is 148,994. The Government said this week that its official estimate of additional deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 is 474,806, which is 3.2 times higher than the official Covid toll. It hasn’t yet provided its estimate for additional deaths in 2021, but we know that the official Covid death toll for 2021 is 332,492. If we assume the same degree of undercounting then the number of additional deaths in 2021 would be 1.06 million. (Note that India has around 10 million deaths each year, so this represents about a 10% excess mortality in 2021.) Adding the two together gives 1.54 million additional deaths for 2020 and 2021. The WHO’s estimate of 4.69 million is three times higher than this. No wonder the Indian Government is disputing the findings.
Looking just at 2020, the WHO estimates 600 excess deaths per million, whereas the Indian Government reports 474,806, which is 344 per million – almost half the number.
For 2021, India’s official Covid death toll is 2.2 times higher than in 2020 (332,492 vs 148,994). However, the WHO’s estimate of excess deaths is 4.7 times higher for 2021 than 2020 (2,800 vs 600 per million). This means the WHO thinks India’s undercounting became more than twice as bad in 2021 compared to 2020. These are not small differences and it’s hard to see them as plausible.
Another curiosity is Germany. According to Our World in Data, Germany had excess deaths of 1,080 per million in 2020-21. Yet according to the WHO, the figure is 2,330 per million. Why is the WHO saying Germany’s excess deaths are well over double the OWID estimate? It means Germany moves from having half the excess deaths of the U.K. to being worse. Germany has very complete records of deaths, so there is no excuse for this kind of discrepancy.
Once again, these estimated, modelled figures are looking very dubious.
Like the Lancet study, the WHO’s estimates make restriction-lite Sweden look good and lockdown heavy countries like Peru look bad, so for sceptics it is tempting to see them as a good thing. And of course, it’s nice suddenly to be better than Germany.
However, we shouldn’t pick our data based on what best supports our argument but on what is most plausible and likely to be true. And as the Indian Government has pointed out, that is not this dubious set of modelled estimates from the WHO.
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Based on excess mortality! What else could have caused that in the last year!
Supposing, just supposing, the figures bear some vague resemblance to the truth. That’s 15 million out of seven-thousand-million-plus.
Hardly the Black Death, is it?
Exactly so!
Exactly so, indeed – but I don’t think we should get bogged down by their “lies, damned lies and statistics”. That’s what they want.
The best answer is something along the lines of, “Who believes a word WHO says after their disastrous performance over the last couple of years?”
When I saw that WHO headline figure my take on it was the same AE, but slightly more succinct than the way you put it:
“b******s
You’d expect a total all-cause death toll of between 80- and 100 million every year, even assuming the average life expectancy were 80 – 85 years old (which it isn’t).
It’s 0.2% – 0.1% per annum or 1 in 1000 people. Even with the dodgy “died with Covid” definition. It deserves its rightful place in the Guinness book of records as ‘least deadly pandemic ever’.
But even in saying this, you are accepting the doubled figure which is obviously a fraud . Gates runs the WHO chose the current boss along with China , promises us more ‘pandemics’ and wants to vaccinate the entire planet 50 times a year to his great profit!
Why should we believe any statistics from the WHO, which sadly is no longer an objective and independent Organistaion?
Now we all know why Trump wanted to pull America out the WHO.
But his mean tweets were far too much of a constitutional and geopolitical threat to allow him to remain as POTUS.
Yes – yet again Trump was right!
Always remember what he said ” It is you they are after , I was just in the way”
We need him “in the way” again as no -one in our Rotten Parliament gives a damn!
Careful now.
Orange man bad remember…….
In all seriousness. I suspect he’s the only man on the planet capable of, and willing to, get the world out the mess Biden has gotten us into.
If he could just get us half way out of the mess it would be a life-time record achievement!
By time we get to 2024 it will be too late.
I don’t think so. Putin has done us all a favour in that respect. Virtually everything in the world has stalled for the moment. The ‘Build Back Better’ and NetZero are facing challenges over energy no one expected in this short time frame.
Putin has revealed the CIA Biolabs active in Ukraine with names of some of those involved and circumstantial evidence of US Biowarfare plans – that seems another “favour “
It does, but considering MSM portrayal of him as Russia man, bad, and US/Ukraine good guys will that get any traction at all?
good point.
I tend to agree
About that one certainly. The WHO needs to be strangulated by depriving it of funding.
Only thanks to ‘vaccinations’ of course…..
Pandemic of the healthy.
Soon to be “deceased” healthy!
Agreed. From 6.2 million to 15 million? WHO, you gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket.
But they don’t.
And our government wants to hand over our sovereignty to the WHO for pandemic control! Liars, crooks and a front for Gates, the WEF and the Chinese…
They shouldn’t be allowed to – we have no way of ‘voting the WHO out of office’ and I for one do not consider Bill Gates to be a fit and proper person to be in any kind of public office.
I don’t consider Bill Gates to be a fit and proper person to be sharing precious oxygen with the rest of us.
You and millions of others!
Bill feels exactly the same about us and regrettably he is doing something about it.
A !5% population reduction target seems a bit modest when you have the whole world to play with !
I doubt whether they are “allowed to” in conflict with existing laws, national and international, but they will see whether they can get away with it.
So far they have got away with and bought everything by throwing unlimited amounts of money around
He has a book to promote – you should read the excerpts from it.
If they weren’t so frightening in terms of what HE thinks is good for the world (and sadly his billions and billions seem to buy him a LOT of unelected power) they would be toe curling and laughable.
He clearly has serious “neurological problems”
Not a whimper from our servile, disgraceful,”Parliament” ( sic) either.
No
That’s complete nonsense. They gifted us an online safety bill didn’t they?
What more do you want?
Sign the petition asking for a referendum on whether or not we should join
Where is it?
It was on another thread yesterday on here
Do not sign any WHO Pandemic Treaty unless it is approved via public referendum – Petitions (parliament.uk)
So where is the Legal Challenge to the Government for planning to do this handing over of sovereignty behind closed doors?
Just how much power is Johnson to be allowed to seize for himself?
Pretending to be in favour of Brexit one year and then handing over Northern Ireland to the EU and now the country’s entire population to Gates the next – is Johnson now the greatest most dangerous political fraud of all time?
The gaps in missing(temperature measuring stations) are filled in by modeling.
Now where did I read that before?
Could it be anything to do with global warming?
Shirley Knot!
But there are huge gaps in recording, especially in the third world. There’s no other way to estimate global losses except by modelling.
You can reasonably question the accuracy of this model if you want, but not the use any model.
Wish I could model.some extra funds into my bank account. Car has stopped on me again.
Get it to identify as the latest model. Models always work.
I hope no one models rain this afternoon, just hung washing out.
Watch out for the Chem Trails – they may bring winter back fo a few days to blame Global Warming – or just a low cloud stifling haze.
“just a low cloud stifling haze.”
That’s the default weather setting where I live – on a good day.
Last thing I need is even more of it brought to me artificially, courtesy of government meddling.
We can all afford a brand new £60k Tesla. Foolish boy.
It is pointless to try and estimate any supposed ‘covid mortality’ in jurisdictions where data is unreliable.
This is because of other factors – such as lockdown – which for ideological reasons are ignored by modellers,
If we want to assess the excess mortality caused by an illness, then we need reliable data.
The governments in each jurisdiction have a clear interest in attributing deaths to illness, rather than the lockdowns they imposed, and will ‘adjust’ accordingly.
This is hardly the only statistic derived from modelling and estimates. People here are quoting covid deaths versus the Black Death.
I have to tell you, almost the entire Black Death figure is an estimate.
Sure, but we don’t need to estimate here, unlike in the case of the Black Death.
We simply look at the jurisdictions where good data is available.
We can see from these jurisdictions that ‘cases’ do not translate into excess mortality – see my comments on Germany elsewhere on this page.
Essentially you’re questioning the validity of the model, which I don’t object to.
My disagreement is with those who say using any model is somehow deceitful. We use models all the time for all kinds of decisions.
Most people in the world who died either from or with covid (whichever you want to argue) went unrecorded, because testing was limited to first world countries and far from complete even there.
Yes, we can use modelling as a help to enhance understanding where nothing else is available, whilst being aware of its biases and limitations etc.
We cannot make policy decisions based on models. To do that we need proper data. If we don’t have it, then we go out and get it.
My point, to reiterate, is that we can see from the jurisdictions where good data is available, that where excess mortality did occur in 2020 (and later), that factors other than covid must have been responsible.
Denis Rancourt has done superb analysis of this, showing that the alleged mortality due to covid is highly jurisdiction dependent, even within the same country, sometimes even varying sharply from institution to institution.
The clear meaning of this is that excess mortality was not due to any disease as such, but rather due to lockdown policies adopted or due to inappropriate medical treatment (remdesevir, ventilators)
After all, how can a virus know where one French departement borders another.
https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=9&name=2020_06_02_all_cause_mortality_during_covid_19_no_plague_and_a_likely_signature_of_mass_homicide_by_government_response
https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=10&name=2020_08_20_evaluation_of_the_virulence_of_sars_cov_2_in_france_from_all_cause_mortality_1946_2020
https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=107&name=2021_10_25_nature_of_the_covid_era_public_health_disaster_in_the_usa_from_all_cause_mortality_and_socio_geo_economic_and_climatic_data
‘After all, how can a virus know where one French departement borders another.’
It’s a clever virus! After all, it knows when people are sitting down in pubs/restaurants, but is ready to pounce when they stand up!
We make decisions based on models all the time.
In this case, it’s a retrospective estimate so not relevant to the policy carried out at the time.
‘We make decisions based on models all the time.’
I just bet you do!
Political decisions are justified with elaborate bullshit all the time can be regarded as a cynical truism. But it’s not a justification.
Like the costs of HS2.
Very convincing………..
Perhaps the same way many members of this site think it knows when it’s in Florida?
Can you recompile that sentence so it actually makes sense please.
Other than perhaps the insurance industry which specialises in accurate modelling because there is a sound financial imperative to get it right, most modelling is wildly misleading.
Ford’s modelling suggested they were going to clean up with electric cars. Instead they have been hit with a massive loss thanks to them.
Rockoman is not wrong. Models might have some limited utility if based on something vaguely credible but these models were clearly wrong
Consider the possibility they they were intended to be “wrong” just as they had been “wrong” with the Swine flu scam. They were designed simply to generate panic not predict reality.
Like Opinion Polls they are simply designed tp give you the result you want – in this case an exaggerated fantastical version of the ‘worst case scenario’.
It used to be called ‘fraud’.
Surely it is increasingly obvious to even the most naively trusting that we now inhabit a world of deliberately structured interactive Lies and the corresponding ‘cancellation’ of the truth on any subject?
How else would they have pulled-off the last two years?
Wolfgang Woodarg, the German scientist and politician who saved us from their earlier ‘Swine Flu Scam’ was onto this within weeks of the :”discovery” of the “new virus “Covid -19.
They had him well covered and cancelled this time of course!
Excellent post David – and of course they made sure this time around that they had learned the lessons from the failed Swine Flu scam.
Anything based around the fraudulent PCR test – any model, any analysis, any statistics can only be bogus and a further fraud heaped upon a fraud.
It is absolutely certain that the real number of people who died either with or from covid, is vastly greater than what was recorded.
This is for the simple fact that most people were never tested, especially in the third world.
So, all comments based on the official recorded death toll, were wildly out.
It’s completely reasonable to make an attempt at estimating the missing data, while always recognising its limitations.
Where does this certainty emerge from, other than your fevered imagination?
Tested for what?????
It was the bogus testing that created this casedemic in the first place
To place the entirety of your argument upon it is like resting the foundations of a house on shifting sands
This is not a relevant objection. If you don’t believe the tests were valid, then the figure was zero everywhere, whether they were tested or not.
The WHO is trying to reconcile the fact that most people in the world during the period died without being tested at all.
The guy who invented the PCR test thought it was.
You’re outgunned, again.
Yes, and it was used to make radical economic changes in Europe so you’re right, maybe the Black Death was total bullshit too.
Indeed !
It is a fact that those who survived the Black Death often became richer – not least by annexing their dead neighbour’s derelict land and property!
This seems to be the Game Plan of the already Global Filthy Rich.
Just like models then………
For unreliable ..do you really mean “rigged” to claim increased mortality as happened in the UK?
For example “died with or of Covid after a motorcycle accident ” …or in India “died of malnutrition following a Covid lockdown”?
Like Ferguson’s model? And the persistently wildly inaccurate climate models used to terrify the dribblers?
Fingal, dribbling as usual.
Faced with a factual comparison, someone downvoted my post.
Cognitive Dissonance or what?
Was prob Fingal or someone else on manoeuvres with him.
Bet you any money they will come back and downtick this one too.
Pathetic
All models are rubbish in = rubbish out. They give what ever answer you want.
Rubbish brain responsible for the model too!
BIBO
Bollox In Bollox Out.
Why not just count the dead -old style?
The Ancient Egyptian army after a victory used to cut off the right hand of every dead enemy soldier to make sure the numbers were accurate!
Todays modellers would count the fingers………….
Fiddling the fingers count seems too easy and obvious but the five to one fraud advantage would make it worth the risk ( after all look at the US 2020 Election and go for broke!) Would thumbs stick out too much though?
The Spanish used scalps of course and eager to learn from Western Civilisation, the “Native Americans” took up the practice with enthusiasm! All you need is any hairy bit of skin.
Well, yes, but only up to a point. Depends on HOW you certify those dead people.
If you change the certification process and strong arm everyone to put covid on the death cert irrespective of what they die of then those stats are likely fraudulent too.
If you midazolam old people in care homes and stick covid on the death cert then those deaths are most certainly fraudulent and should not be counted either.
Blimey!
They had Covid and midazolam in ancient Egypt…
Every day’s a school day.
you mistook what I posted RHS – David said count the dead, old style, as opposed to model the death numbers.
In reply to him I pointed out that counting the dead was no better than a model because of the number of deaths fraudulently chalked up to “covid” – read my post again
It was a joke.
“You can reasonably question the accuracy of this model if you want, but not the use any model”
You can question any model, especially when theoretical modelling is being used (which has been used here and in the climate model) as in the filling in of gaps to make up for lack of data, the only time this type of modelling is acceptable is when you are not sure what the outcome will be, as in testing of a theory, quantum physics is a good example.
Theoretical modelling has little basis in reality, it is very easy to put in data to skew the outcome of a result that you want to see, rather than a true representation of what might be.
Not to be confused with real world modelling, where every piece of data has a basis, such as tolerance of physical components, which, when combined with other physical components can often predict a failure rate or optimum efficiency.
But even then it is only as reliable as the data inputs, no two components have exactly the same tolerance level, even if manufactured by the same company in the same factory.
Which is why stress testing, involving a physical prototype is used to determine whether the model was correct in the first place.
Theoretical models can’t be stress tested, they can only be used to predict, and so far all those predictions, with regards to covid, have been woefully incorrect in the real world.
Oh, I absolutely can: The world is much to complicated too simulate it in a computer and additionally, we know too little about it to program such simulation. A so-called model is nothing but someone’s perfectly abitrary opinion how (some part of) The working of the world can be expressed in a mechanical way.
For as long as we can’t even build cash machines or electronic payment systems which work reliably, simulating the world is way beyond our software building abilities. Any attempt to do so nevertheless is just Baffle them with complicated bullshit. Software is said to work when the actual behaviour is demonstrably identical to the specified behaviour. Since we don’t have a mechanical specification of the world and can’t create one, software world simulations by definition don’t.
I like models. My girlfriend is a model. Right now she’s an Airfix kit of a Stuka dive-bomber.
The Science™️ grew and matured in the manure of Climate ‘Science’.
And over 2 years 18 million have died of malnutrition. Just to put some perspective on it.
I think you’ll find that’s an estimate too.
Probably not as it will be recorded on the death certificate as such, other than being contaminated with fallacious covid data.
The WHO provides the estimates for global malnutrition.
So, I guess you should ignore them.
Yep, probably.
They produced figures in 2015 of 120,000,000 people in developing nations dying from inhaling smoke from open fires used for cooking and heating by 2050 and everyone ignored that.
Yes, much of it caused by Covid Lockdowns and the deliberate disruption of food and medical supplies.
Looks like the WHO are using the same statisticians and modelling techniques as the climate change scientists.
Look for earlier mortality rates in the 2010s to suddenly be lowered in order to make 2021 look more impressive….
There seems to be scant info about the vaccine programme nowadays. Are people in the UK already having their 4th jab?
And what are the restrictions for the ‘unvaccinated’ apart from some international travel being made awkward?
Are the NHS unvaccinated nurses still being threatened with being sacked in a few months, or has that been withdrawn?
What are the ‘vaccines’ offered now? Just Moderna & Pfizer? What happened to the marvellous pandemic-busting life-saving Astra Zeneca brew. And the Johnson Jab?
What of the Russian ‘Sputnik’ vaccine, and the Chinese ‘Sinovac’ … we don’t hear much about those, do we?
What will happen? A 5th jab before Christmas? All I know for sure is that the EU Vaxx Pass will expire after 270 days for those who haven’t taken the last jab; this Pass still seems to have importance as regards travel within Europe.
People are having a fourth jab. I have managed to bring a few ‘to the light’. It is mainly older people who only watch BBC that are still blissfully unaware.
How any medical person can still be going along with carrying out these jabs is beyond me.
The comfort is they will soon not be worrying about any more jabs.
The quieter they keep it the more stealthily they can keep pushing up the numbers.
Does Johnson’s ‘bonus’ depend on reaching a 90% target ( false figure obviously as they don’t even know the real population of the country – only wha the NHS has told them!)
The WHO is a corrupt, criminal and useless organisation. Do I detect the Hand of Ferguson in this latest outpouring of lying, twisted drivel?
No, you detect the scarcely hidden hand of William Gates III.
I was thinking more of the “modelling” aspect, and the modeller, rather than the megalomaniac, billionaire supposed “health expert” you mention i.e. he who pays the piper, calls the WHO tune.
And his abominable software, culprit of all modelling, the Excel spreadsheet.
What few people are aware of is that it’s riddles with errors.
I was examining numbers whilst the director of communications for a section of Merck. Applying simple logic and a bit of arithmetic I realised the columns weren’t adding up correctly, not just by degrees, these were wildly inaccurate and being used for serious decision making.
I trawled the massive spreadsheet, it took me days, and found individual cells with small errors which cascaded down the entire document.
I reported it all to our financial director (actually a decent bloke) and he simply said “it will be ignored because the end result suits their purposes”.
And he was right. No matter who I spoke to, no one was the least bit interested.
Gates has been hiding his ‘plan ‘for world population in plain sight for decades.
Just like Hitler, they always tell you exactly what they are going to do.
You mad conspiracy theorist! How dare you listen to what they actually say, and then articulate it.
Are you a *’far right’ Nazi or something?
Footnote:
*In the interest of disclosure and historical accuracy, Nazi’s were ‘far left’, just like nearly every violent despot in history. Trump, for example, is ‘far right’ – In other words, a member of a community which prefers peaceful and profitable trade to beating each others brains out.
In the WHO’s world, India’s “performance” needs to be trashed because they dared to use Ivermectin.
My default: if the WHO say something …… it’s bollocks.
15 million isn’t much!
We could say 15 million died as a result of taking the ‘Covid vaccines’ and say “Hardly the Black Death, is it?”
Hardly the Black Death. More like the Holocaust.
The two scenarios are not comparable – conceptually, nor ethically. Consider for a minute that we can divide our demise into two general categories: “it happens” and “it was done to me/you/them”. It’s not too difficult so sort all deaths into either class, with some instances having a foot in both camps. So i) I fall down the stairs and break my neck, or develop aggressive cancer; or ii) I get mugged and stabbed, or I walk out in front of a car whilst engaged with my mobile phone, or a fairground ride fails because it’s not been inspected nor serviced for 20 years; or, iii) I walk out in front of a car whilst engaged with my mobile phone but the driver was doing 60 in a 30 mph zone.
The trouble with the the government and the MSM and social media’s general take on Covid-19 that it has re-framed a disease that would normally fall into the “it happens” death class as “it was done to me/you/them”, and for a disease that is quite benign for the majority. We all know the rest: hysteria and overreaction and overreach. And this allowed the government and the MSM and social media to lever huge amounts of pressure to take the “safe and effective” novel “vaccine”. And practically everyone rolled up and put their arm out with the assumption that they would be fine but if anything went wrong it would be a case of “it happens” and NOT “it was done to me/you/them”; because with medicines, particularly vaccines we expect huge amounts of due diligence to be done to ensure they are very very safe. Which is why the swine flu vaccine was pulled in the 70s after very few deaths. So with 14 million deaths from Covid-19 it’s not at all unreasonable to say they were mostly cases of “it happens” but if there are 100x fewer deaths from this barely tested, rushed out and mostly unnecessary vaccine then they are in the class “it was done to me/you/them” and that is simple NOT acceptable.
That’s because so many people wore a mask to protect their mates. Who knows how many deaths were prevented by wearing a Chinese rag on your face? And many, many more by shutting down the economy.
How many deaths from lockdown?
Quite a few. And also mental damage. I should think “Long Lockdown” is more damaging than “Long Covid”.
Absolutely. Especially given that the cultism behind lockdown hasn’t gone away and is the same false premise behind green ideology.
Let me model that.
“The Computer says”……..Zero.
Yes, based on the fantasies fed into the computer by the Piltdown Man Hoaxers masquerading as scientists.
~Sharp intake of breath~ Shush man, do you want us all branded as conspiracy theorists?
Conspiracy theories depend entirely on there being no evidence to support them, that’s why the conspiracy theorist either demands you make the case for them or they talk as if their claims were self-evident, as obvious as the beards of Brian Blessed and ZZ Top.
By contrast, the utterly innumerate fantasies of SAGE, the heirs of both Trofim Lysenko and the Piltdown Man Hoaxer are well-documented, Fraser Nelson accidentally got one of them to expose himself, as it were.
I was kidding.
Yes, I know
Re. Germany:
Germany had approximately 3 million covid ‘cases’ in 2020.
However, the death rate in every age group was lower in 2020 than the average of the death rate for the previous 4 years, with only 2019 being a touch lower.
Here are the figures for the over-80s, where you can see that the death rate for this age group in 2020 was lower than in 2016, 2017 and 2018.
https://twitter.com/SHomburg/status/1445441863645863939/photo/1
Wording is German but the graph is understandable I think.
This means that 3 million covid ‘cases’ had no effect on the death rate. Therefore there was no excess mortality due to covid, or indeed due to anything in 2020.
Covidians can’t claim this was due to prevention because 3 million cases occurred anyway. If 3 million cases have no effect on the death rate, then why should four million?
The situation was the same in every age group.
In Germany any ‘excess deaths’ in 2020 were due to an aging population.
https://twitter.com/SHomburg/status/1468909859332575234/photo/1
Here you can see that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020. The higher number of deaths was entirely due to the aging population and was in trend.
“Cases” Drosten PCR “cases’!
Re. South Asia
https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/03/1087542
The UN estimates 228 000 deaths of children due to ‘covid disruption’ – ie lockdown – in 2020.
You do not ‘do analsyis’ based on modelled data. You do it based on rigorously collected, validated and audited data.
If the WHO doesn’t know that, it is no longer a fit and proper organisation to be looked up to where health is concerned.
I propose a referendum whereby the continued funding of the WHO by UK taxpayers is brought into question…..
Was it ever?
you beat me to it RHS!!!
~winking, as he gently blows away a wisp of smoke curling from the barrel of his Colt Peacemaker~
Gotta be up early son……..
We should simply leave – today!
So WHO claim India had 5 million excess deaths contrary to India’s own figures yet don’t question China on their numbers, -2 for China looks improbably low.
China’s data – or lack of – has been one huge elephant in the room but no one seems remotely bothered, yet one by one nearly every country followed their lead.
If your on an ocean liner in the middle of the ocean and see the crew suddenly donning their life jackets and abandoning ship while no alarms are raised and they are saying there is no problem would you also do what they are doing?
I think I would, just to be on the safe side. Certainly once the crisis is other I’d expect some answers.
delete
“Don’t worry, it’s just a drill.”
Is Gate actually allowed into India?
Absolutely. They await him with open arms, and shackles……..
The is a scandal. So all this time Germany has covered up their true Covid death toll?
I expect to see arrests. Pitchforks on the autobahn.
Well no. In fact what these sort of exercises demonstrate is that in trying to justify their policies, with questionable methods, they shoot themselves in the foot. For if all these Covid deaths did go undetected and, thanks to the sainted modellers we can see the light, then now what? Shouldn’t there be a criminal investigation into who is engaged in this data fraud – the doctors, the politicians and the rest.
Of course, that doesn’t happen. That is not the intention at all. It’s about ensuring they cover themselves in glory and are cleansed of all wrongs.
When these Covid mortality figures include anyone who’s tested positive for Covid then subsequently died in a tuk-tuk crash or whose parachute has failed to open on a New Zealand sky dive then we are living in clown world and none of these Gates funded arseholes should be trusted to announce a bus timetable.
The biggest Clown of all is in Downing Street with “Emergency Powers” granted by our zero integrity Parliament to do whatever he pleases ( which appears to be ‘stuff it to us’!)!
Following election results announced today, and the soon to be released full Sue Gray report, I thing teetering on the brink is a masterly understatement of the buffoons position.
I could have tolerated the idiot other than his NetZero obsession.
Oh, more fraudulent bullshit just when they’re trying to install their one world government; how surprising.
I don’t think Mr. Putin nor Mr. Xi will be taking orders from Mr. Schwab any time soon. Then there’s Mr. Modi of India who refuses to condemn Mr. Putin for his invasion of Ukraine.
So that’s only about 3.5Bn of the global populace who won’t be conforming to the New ‘World’ Order.
Maybe Klaus ‘Walter Mitty’ Schwab actually means The Half New World Order.
The greatest con man since Bernie Madoff.
Looks like an impending E/W economic and political split – the W bit would have been limited to Europe at most if Trump hadn’t been bumped off.
Like a sort of EU 4th Reich with tentacles to Australia, Canada and NZ. Very little of Africa seems to be interested.
There are nearly 30 countries supporting Putin, including India.
The idiots in the west somehow believe the Biden crime syndicate is somehow credible.
In other words, a club of countries with no natural resources and no industrial output. Yay for the New World Order!
Considering that most of the world seems to be determined not to join it they are going to struggle with their “New World Order” – it is going to be a bit of a misnomer if they cannot force whole world to join.
Maybe we should be more optimistic than we have been.
Is it more frightening with musical accompaniment?
Ahh, crap. Wrong link. Try this one.
I bet the WHO are taking China’s figures without quibble.
Gates is a great admirer of China! Who knew? WHO did know!
Who WHO…..
No great loss anyway if it’s true
Even if you take these numbers at face value, how about we go back through the time of all human existence.
Imagine how many extra people could be on this Earth had a few more of those people not died. Would the world be a better or worse place?
Nobody really cares, some people will pretend they care more than everyone else but they’ll be getting on with their lives just the same as everyone.
That’s the way it is, always has been and always will be.
Is that what you do when a relative dies, just pretend to care?
Do you care about every death? Does it stop you living your life?
I grieve then move on. That’s life. I certainly don’t pretend to care about the deaths of people I don’t know.
So some people do actually care, imagine that.
Care about everything or just some things? Presumably you’ll be eating your dinner later or will the thought of millions dead have ruined your appetite?
Gates has “form” in India…isn’t there a criminal case running against him for previous ‘experiments’?
https://indianbarassociation.in/more-trouble-for-bill-gates-and-adar-poonawalla/
MORE TROUBLE FOR BILL GATES AND ADAR POONAWALLA
No immunity to vaccine companies – Central Government tells Supreme Court in its affidavit before the Supreme Court.
It is a major setback to the toxic philanthropist and vaccine mafia’s Kingpin Bill Gates and his partner Adar Poonawalla, and other co-accused who have been prosecuted for mass murders through vaccines.They are also charged for offences of cheating public at large with false narratives and conspiracy theories.
The Central Government in its affidavit dated 29th Nov 2021 filed before Supreme Court of India in a petition filed by Dr.JacobPuliyel vs. Union of India Writ Petition (C) No. 607 of 2021,had made it clear that the Government has not granted any protection / immunity from prosecution to the vaccine companies.
The relevant para 65 reads thus;
“VIII.INDEMNIFICATION OF VACCINE MANUFACTURERS
65. No indemnity has been granted and the current legal regime under the New Drugs and Clinical Trials Rules, 2019 and Drugs and Cosmetics Act, 1940 does not contain any such provisions.”
Tell me it ain’t so! Surely we’re the only ones promoting conspiracy theories like masks don’t work, lockdowns don’t work, social distancing is a joke, ‘vaccines’ are neither safe nor effective.
Silly 1.5Bn Indians, imagine accusing the nice Mr. Gates of being a conspiracy theorist.
Very important post – it should have the widest possible circulation.
This is the man who wants to snatch power over our “health”, force endless experimental products into us and over-ride our Human Right to Bodily Autonomy, granted under the Nuremberg Code!
Who could possibly object? Certainly not Boris Johnson,who has his pen poised ready to sign!
Good Lord – a government with a set of balls.
Rarer than a set of hen’s teeth.
WITH or OF, rather like WITH or OF pneumonia or other end of life conditions
Sweden’s approach was right without the need to play around with figures that make no sense. We do not know how many people died of or even with Covid and never will. However, it suits certain agendas to promote the idea that we faced the biggest threat since the Spanish Flu of 1918. It justifies the lockdowns. Inadequate health care, and normal trends plus the extra ones caused by lockdowns are likely to be the main cause of the spike in excess deaths. Deep down the promoters of the Covid frenzy know this to be true but to admit it would call into question their entire world view. As for the modellers, their profession needs to be downgraded. Messing about with numbers without an evidence base is not science.
Give these lunatics unrestricted access to pencils and paper, and ban them from ever going near a spreadsheet or database.
They could just as easily say it’s 30 million or 300 million – total fiction, but the media doesn’t care.
The Worldometer website which complies – accurately so far – deaths as reported to them by Governments, is showing a global total of just over 6.2 million.
Indian death total: 523 975.
We are in the derrière covering phase of the panicdemic. As more and more evidence emerges they all lied about everything, they have moved on from anger and denial to justification.
They don’t understand that all but the usual fools don’t believe them anymore, so they might as well let it rest.
Approx 70 million people globally perish each year of all causes. Most, if not all deaths from CoVid, are deaths that would have occurred anyway from other causes such as ‘flu or comorbidities.
I’m probably misquoting Gnobels here but didn’t he say:”If you are going to tell lies, don’t tell little ones, tell big ones, you are more likely to be believed”.
PS: Apologies for even misspelling his name.
Even if we accept the 15million, that is still only 0.1% per epidemic year out of 7.5billion. In other words, even including the deaths caused by the lockup … it was no worse than flu.
Plus that number is classing the ventilator killings and the Remdesivir/Midazolam killings as if they were the virus.
This comment is to establish whether or not I am a simpleton. I thought covid 19 was a made up disease/test, therefore both death and vaccination against are impossibilities. What exactly are we now counting?
Counting the hours and days to the “Great Reset ” Global Coup of course!
That’s funny.
Does the Great Reset follow on from the Great Inflation and begin with a letter from the government? Hello Sir, Are you struggling with your bills? Would you like a universal basic income?
You are most likely closer to the truth than you probably know
It would create the biggest black market the world has ever seen.
How so?
People would begin bartering and trading with alternative currencies.
Just like they did in the last world war – apparently it was rife across the ROI/NI border.
This shouldn’t be referred as dubious. The correct term is fraudulent. They made this up because it’s politically convenient for them. That they did so in a complicated with a computer program is just smoke and mirrors.
It’s also easy to see why they’re hammering Germany: Germany is pretty much still operating in pandemic emergency mode and had much stricter Corona measures than the UK throughout the time. Hence, it’s conjectured to be a soft target for an Earlier! Harder! Longer! message.
Have a read of this festering pile of Big Pharma endorsed lies from the British Bullshit Corporation.
it reads like a sales pitch for Pfizer. And this organisation is funded with public money strong armed out of the UK population.
The WHO is just another truly evil organisation seeking to destroy life as we knew it and fulfill the population reduction policy of the UN.
A model can be tuned to give whatever result you want…and nature will studiously ignore it 100% of the time.
Stick your finger somewhere moist ( you know where ) and hold it up in the wind and what have you got?
An estimate way more accurate than this rubbish.
The WHO need disbanding, they’re completely useless.
Firstly Sweden didn’t ‘gamble’, they made a reasoned set of choices. Second, there haven’t been 15 million deaths as Johns Hopkins Covid Map is showing just over 6 million. The WHO also claim that of the 15 million, 5 million died in India. The Johns Hopkins Covid Map shows India with just over 600 thousand and the Indian Government is not happy with the WHO.
“If there is something very slightly wrong in our definition of the theories, then the full mathematical rigor may convert these errors into ridiculous conclusions.” – R. Feynman
Call me old fashioned, but if you are trying to force reality to fit to a model, I suspect there might be a little problem somewhere.