Last week, I wrote about a second major study finding that natural immunity protects better against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. Both this study and the earlier one were from Israel, and while there’s every reason to believe the results generalise to other populations, it’s always good to have data from multiple countries.
We now have those data in the form of a study published by the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark. I can’t say the report itself is worth reading in full, since it’s written in Danish. But I’ve posted the key figure below. It shows protection against infection for three different groups – adjusting for age, sex, comorbidities, and time of year.
The orange line corresponds to people who’ve been previously infected but not vaccinated; the yellow line to those who’ve been previously infected and vaccinated; and the green line to those who’ve been vaccinated but not previously infected.
The y-axis gives the percentage reduction in the number of infections, compared to those who haven’t been vaccinated or previously infected. For example, a value of 90% means there would be only 10 infections for every 100 in the comparison group. The x-axis gives the number of days since the relevant event.
As you can see, vaccine-induced immunity wanes rapidly, beginning a few weeks after vaccination. And at the five month mark, protection is well below 50%. Natural immunity, by contrast, is robust: a full year after infection, protection is still above 70%.
Consistent with what the two Israeli studies found, hybrid immunity – conferred by the combination of vaccination and previous infection – is slightly better than natural immunity. However, the difference is small compared to that between natural and vaccine-induced immunity.
Evidence for the superiority of natural immunity is now robust. So while those who’ve already had Covid should be perfectly free to get vaccinated, there’s no obvious need for them to do so. The tricky part may be getting this message through to politicians.
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That’s good news. Better bury it. It doesn’t follow the narrative.
It’s a valiant effort Noah…
But you’re making a rookie error – two years plandemic in – of thinking logical data counts for something. It doesn’t.
The only validity “out there” is the UK Govts bi$$ions spent on COVID fear mongering. I was listening to local radio on a project last week – not my choice – what horrified me was the wall to wall ad break messaging of covid particles lingering in the air. FFS.
It was every single break… relentless, every 8 mins or so. This is what we the minority “awake” are up against.
What we really need, right now… is a trusted normie MSM anchor figure to go full-blown Howard Beale and fux the consequences. During a prime TV time news at 10 slot…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuS3dxKK9U
Be seeing you…
Noah still playing the old waning efficacy game when he knows full well that the BMJ and Lancet both published reports showing the bioweapon has zero efficacy..
Actually the Uk study on boosters from a week or so ago also had natural immunity mentioned, as a throwaway. from Day One of the vax hype it has always been obvious – a scientific truth – that an artificially induced immunity can only be as good as a natural immunity, it can never be better. And the meta data we see from all around us has indicated that, in reality, the induced immunity level varies from piddling to fuck all.
Of course, we see no reference to natural immunity in the new VaxPass do we? No one in Westminster appeared to have heard of it…
Not surprised; it used to be that ‘money talks’ now it’s ‘money (when it goes to big Pharma) induces blindness and deafness to reality’. Especially so when it comes to politicians .
“An artificially induced immunity can only be as good as a natural immunity.” Yes, but in the second case you have to acquire the immunity through the potentially unpleasant experience of catching covid.
And in the first case you have to be injected with experimental gunk every few months. Gunk which has much more serious short-term side-effects than proper vaccines. Gunk whose long-term effects are unknown. Gunk which hasn’t actually been proved to provide any protection against the trivial disease.
That’s the message they push out relentlessly. Unless you are obese, over 70 with relevant underlying conditions, or one of a tiny number with hidden conditions, you will be fine with Covid, as I was, despite being theoretically at risk.
Far. better get mild flu or cold like Covid than risk the potentially dangerous side effects long into the future of the rna “vaccines”.
Waiting in a queue to be served (unmasked) and a young lady (masked) asked me if I wanted to try some new mens fragrance – no thank you but thanks anyway I said then she sat down – she looked a little pale so I asked if she was alright and she said she had just had her booster shot today – said she had a bit of a headache coming on and sometimes feels a bit unsteady on her feet so she has to sit down now and again – at this point another person in the queue (masked) told her he had the same reaction and it lasted for about a week – I got served at this point so I wasn’t there for the rest of the conversation but it really baffles me why people put themselves through this insanity – this young lady could not have been much more older than 25-30 and therefore probably at absolutely no risk from the covid variant whatsoever – i’ve had vaccines in past and never ever suffered from such adverse side-effects that I am hearing about in other people who had these covid jabs ( headaches would be very worrying) – I have had covid myself and personally i would rather have covid again – it felt just like a mild flu with endless coughing for about 3-4 days and the variant felt just like a common cold for a couple of days.
This jabbing everything with a pulse is complete madness.
PS: Saw a maskwearer today pull down his mask cough-up a load of plegm spit it out onto the pavement and then put his mask back on.
Incredible.
The problem with using mRNA is that you have no idea how much mRNA makes it into the cell, the translation rate and which cells will take up the encapsulated mrna.
And that’s just one (very major) problem with these jabs.
Same here! Jabbed iatrogenic harms seem lot worse than my symptoms when i actually HAD the dreaded WuFlu .
Lemsip for 3 days plus kept working bit of a cough for a week nothing unusual.
Unfortunately not everyone gets mild symptoms. When I got it the first few days weren’t too bad, just loss of smell and weird taste and a cough, but the next two weeks were hell with nighttime cold sweats, fever, loss of appetite and constant debilitating coughing. I ended up having a month off work in total, and it’s taken me a couple of months to fully recover.
It was without a doubt the worst feeling symptoms caused by a bug I’ve had – and I’ve been hospitalised previously wth bacterial meningitis, which you’d have thought would feel worse, but it didn’t! (Luckily treatable with antibiotics, unlike covid)
Funnily enough my 20 year old daughter also got the same strain of covid and she had it worse than me, so perhaps there’s a genetic susceptibility there.
I still glad I didn’t get the jab though!
Antibody tests show I’ve got both types of antibodies to Covid, so should theoretically be better protected from new variants than the jabbed.
I’ve had flu a lot lot worse and Quinsy (in the same month, NHS was mostly terrible) was THE WORST.
You are not alone. My son’s colleague at work, female aged 28 no comorbidities, felt off on Monday, tested positive, felt better on Tuesday, today she is in hospital.
There’s not the slightest possibility that you’re lying.
It is of course possible that any of the anecdotes related on this forum are lies. There is no way to tell.
Triple vaccinated?
I don’t know, but it seems unlikely at that age.
Covid is treatable, just not by the NHS.
Very dependent on age.
I once saw a guy take a shit in a public bathroom and walk to the nearest bakery and start manhandling the croissants. Humans are disgusting, dirty, stupid creatures.
Great stuff. It’s over then
Wait, we just agreed to sack 70,000 health care workers
This is good news.
However one thing it fails to mention is the increased risk of adverse effects from the vaccine for those who have recently recovered from the virus.
I don’t have the references but I do remember reading about studies which showed that adverse effects were more frequent and more serious amongst the recovered than amongst those who had never been infected.
Yes, ADE can be a problem but nobody dare look at it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
thanks.
After I had my first (and only) vaccine I discovered that 50% of people who have had covid like me have a bad reaction. Never again, I still have the consequences, 9 months on. Hopefully on the up now.
Yes. I have seen this.
My MP (West Midlands) recovered from covid, then had the vaccine. He told me he was far sicker from the vaccine than he’d been with the virus. Then he said “but I already knew that the vaccine side effects would be worse after having covid.”
I was astounded; I wished him well, but told him it was entirely self-inflicted, and that he has probably undermined the natural immunity he was left with after recovering from the virus.
I’m afraid it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to hear that he’s continued with the jabs. He’s probably destroyed all the immunity he had, and possibly much of the inate immune system he was born with and which he’d built up over a lifetime.
The unquestioning faith so many people put in scientists astonishes and appals me. I’m not a great believer in vaccines for everything that moves, having a brother who was damaged in the womb some 64 years ago, in similar ways to Thalidomide, by a drug called, I believe, Debenox, and a great-niece who was damaged by the MMR at 14 months old; this vibrant little soul tottering across the room became a virually lifeless rag doll, unable to even sit up the following day. She’s 14 now, a lovely girl, but will always need a degree of care.
I can go one better than natural immunity!
A normal, healthy immune system is all you need.
Disclaimer: The older you are, the closer you are to death, I predict you will probably die within 10 years of your 75th birthday.
Bad news is if you’ve been jabbed you no longer have a normal healthy immune system.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776221002581
The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
… and then there are the fatalities and adverse reactions to consider.
The effect of the jabs on covid-19 associated deaths can be shown to be beneficial because the randomly-applied and meaningless PCR tests can make it look so. However, all-cause mortality shows a different story.
ONS data suggests jabbed people currently die from covid at half the rate of vax-free people. Sounds good. But non-covid deaths for jabbed people run at over three times the rate! Furthermore, as these deaths are far more numerous than covid-19 deaths, the net results on mortality is alarming.
The so-called non 1984 deaths are in fact caused by the 1984.
Heart attacks and strokes have gone through the roof I believe.
Lost an old boozing partner 6-7 weeks ago, 24 hours after being boosted with heart attack. My Dad, stroke but still with us, close friend of partner, very fit woman – stroke.
A good friend of mine has two funerals on Monday, one heart attack, one stroke and a third from cancer date not yet confirmed.
I have never known anything like this.
Watch: Third Pro Soccer Player In A Week Experiences Severe Chest Pain During Game
Covid!
None of the players affected has publicly blamed the ‘vaccine’
I suspect that none of them will ever play again
These players will have insurance policies which pay out if a player sustains a career ending injury. I’m speculating but is the silence related to the insurance policies?
The potential ‘in the pipeline’ liabilities for the insurance companies must be going through the roof
Will the insurance companies refuse to pay out if the victims have taken part in a medical experiment?
Are the insurance companies required to inform their stockholders of the potential liabilities?
Huge sums of money involved, this will be heading for the courts and there will be blood on the carpet
WHO knew
Nah, Tedros doesn’t have any medical qualifications.
More rare coincidences on the football field…
Seriously, I realise that 30% of the population are completely hypnotised and beyond help, but it is high time for the rest of the population to wake up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/watch-video-third-pro-soccer-player-week-experiences-severe-chest-pain-during-game
As I write this my vaccinated son is upstairs suffering from Covid. I am not vaccinated and to be honest will not be too upset if I catch it. I know there is a risk with catching it (and there is with vaccination) but I am aware and will make sure I go for early treatment and intervention if I do become ill. I have avoided the vaccine due to other health issues including an immune system that does some funny things – I would feel safer catching it.
In my experience the NHS are not interested in helping you with Covid unless you have breathing issues.
All they recommend is paracetamol and to drink plenty of water, even if you have horrendous Covid symptoms, as long as you can breathe ok.
When I got covid really bad, except I could actually breathe, I was basically abandoned by the NHS, except for two calls from track and trace to check I was isolating, the first of which was almost unintelligible.
Astounding that after two years they still don’t have any adequate home treatments worked out, despite evidence that Ivermectin works.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
Considering what you wrote above, you should have told them that you had breathing issues as you did have them. The constant coughing happens because viruses are replicating in your lungs and it seems you have gone through a full-blown pneumonia on your own.
Granted, qualified (sarcasm) NHS people should have known this from the symptoms but not 111 script readers without any capability of thinking on their own.
NB: It doesn’t always get so bad. I had the coughing issue twice in it always vanished after 1 – 2 days.
Just a reminder, look up Dr. Shankara Chetty on severe covid, 8 day protocol & of course https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/
suggest look up benefits of N-acetyl cysteine (NAC).
According to a Dr Mercola post [15.12.21] the FDA are now attempting to limit the availability of NAC, apparently because it was once studied or marketed as a drug [in 1963]. Funny that.
Know the feeling.
The best way to avoid catching it – which is likely considering proximity to son in same house with it – is to take vitamin D3 – about 4000iu per day along with vitamin K2 (that is important to make sure that you don’t pull calcium out of your bones and get deposits of it in places you wouldn’t want like arteries etc) – Vitamin D3 is highly protective against covid. Also quercetin and zinc. You can get all of these on amazon.
Yes. Also of some effect after catching it. Also vitamin C, as endorsed by e.g. Dr Malcolm Kendrick and https://c19vitaminc.com/.
Check Patrick Holfords site and take vitamin C
Got plenty of D? In the absence of Ivermectin (or, I see on some lists, Melatonin) you could try an elderberry extract from Amazon – can’t harm, and some weak evidence they help against viral infections.
Did your son get Covid within 14 days of the first jab? Very common …
It is certainly worth knowing. A few points to consider (no doubt in the paper for those who can read Danish).
What counts as previous infection? Does it have to be symptomatic? One of the disadvantages of immunity through infection is you can’t control the dose.
What counts as vaccinated? One, two, three doses?
The charts (and the Israeli study) show that, whether you have had Covid or not, getting vaccinated improves your chances of not getting it again.
Nice try MTF. Back under your bridge.
See my response to huxleypiggles
Idiot.
Posting nonsense like this will get you nowhere on here. Obviously you haven’t realised that the intelligence quotient on here is way beyond your garbage postings.
I asked two questions and made a statement. The questions seem rather relevant – what counts as an infection and what counts as vaccinated. Don’t you agree it is important to know that for a paper that compares infection to vaccination?
The statement was simply that the charts show that, whether you have had Covid or not, getting vaccinated improves your chances of not getting it again. Do you think this is false?
They don’t. They show that a certain number of people became PCR-positive in Israel during a certain time period. Once upon a time in the past, it happened that … doesn’t mean this will ever happen again. And – on their own – infections are non-events guaranteed to happen as the body cannot mount an immune response to something outside of it, no matter how many Guardian journalists assert the contrary.
Reasonable enough points. And once again, we need to know whether infections are counted from the moment you are jabbed (when studies show you are more susceptible) or only after 14 days. Noah should have told us this (if he had the information).
Assuming that some correlation in a one-off statistic must be an accurate prediction of future events is never reasonable.
All good points, though I don’t know how long that last para effect lasts, and you do have to balance the risks of the jabs against that.
This probably sounds niave or stupid. Putting covid 19 to one side and thinking more generally about flu and common colds. Is it not possible that they are actually beneficial to most people and indeed continually sought, keeping the immune system both upto date and functional? Is it also not possible that during the time our bodies are fighting a new virus that one side benefit could be a reduction in other rogue cells, I am thinking in terms of the body being able to destroy unwanted viruses by incrementally increasing our body temperature? Could it be that taking certain off the shelf drugs that interfere with this process (body temperature) are in fact detrimental? Could it also be that taking medication to relieve a blocked up nose is also unwise, dealing with one infection at a time, a blocked up nose might be a natural response from the body.
I understand one theory for why we get fewer virus infections in summer is that our immune systems are kept active by pollen at that time, which is connected to your theory.
Interesting idea – which would explain my apparent ‘vaccine’-less immunity. Maybe I can finally be thankful for my hayfever, which is perhaps bad enough that covid has never had a look-in!
I have the same theory. Both myself and my wife suffer from allergies, I had very bad hay fever when younger, which makes me smirk a bit when told about the ‘horror’ stories of covid etc.
I don’t think covid stands a chance in our orifices.
I’m also a hay fever sufferer, mostly grass pollen for a couple of months, I think. The interesting comment I came across from someone who appeared to be a competent medic was that those suffering from allergic reactions might be less vulnerable to viruses, such as SARS-Cov-2, at the same time, as there is only so much surface area in out nostrils etc that are capable of being attacked by the latter. If they are overreacting to the pollen etc, they are not considered to be available to the virus at the same time, apparently. Not that I’m advocating becoming allergic as a preventive method!
Verrry interesting indeed
I appreciate that you didn’t raise all these points but I’m new to this site and therefore would ask you to bear with me.
These are just some of my thoughts and are not based on any scientific study.
By rogue cells I meant mutated and potentially dangerous cells, so I am looking at a flu or cold virus as a blessing in disguise.
One would need to have some faith in the immune system knowing precisely by how much and for long each increase in temperature is required to deal with the initial virus problem.
I would also suggest that the nose plays a far more important part than most people would ever imagine, capturing and analysing every breath you take 24/7.
Another observation. Pain relief is turned off during this brief period of illness and returned later, more finely tuned, set, then instantly forgotten, until the next time.
It’s not stupid. There seems to be some evidence that there is a degree of “cross immunity” against one thing on account of having dealt with something else, similar enough to the latest invader, such as the batch of coronaviruses (229E, HKU-1 etc), believed to be the cause of around 30% of “common colds”.
I appreciate that you didn’t raise all these points but I’m new to this site and therefore would ask you to bear with me.
These are just some of my thoughts and are not based on any scientific study.
By rogue cells I meant mutated and potentially dangerous cells, so I am looking at a flu or cold virus as a blessing in disguise.
One would need to have some faith in the immune system knowing precisely by how much and for long each increase in temperature is required to deal with the initial virus problem.
I would also suggest that the nose plays a far more important part than most people would ever imagine, capturing and analysing every breath you take 24/7.
Another observation. Pain relief is turned off during this brief period of illness and returned later, more finely tuned, set, then instantly forgotten, until the next time.
It’s good to publicise this paper.
However, please beware of reinforcing misunderstanding. Yes – if a person has caught SARSCoV2 and beaten the infection, they will have antibodies. However, there is another category too:
That is what many human beings do who look after their immune systems. Such people do NOT have antibodies to SARSCoV2. They didn’t need to produce any.
Surely few sane and honest people would disagree that it is better to have a healthy diet and lifestyle, supplemented with extra vitamin C and iron etc., than to take a flu jab every year? Well what about a comparison with having an mRNA injection every few months?
That’s what I want to see a paper on, in respect of SARSCoV2.
WHY AREN’T THERE ANY?
Possible answer: because “researchers” know what’s good for them. And I don’t mean dietwise. I mean they know what kind of research questions they’re allowed to ask, and what kind they’re not, and they internalise the requirement of not pissing off the Holy Alliance of Big Pharma and what Andrew Wakefield (tongue in cheek) calls the “philanthropists”.
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/covid-news-december-2021
Whenever we have used antibodies against something, they won’t be there indefinitely; they’re junk. Long term records are the job of T-cells, which are somewhat efficient, being physically smaller, but contain a lot of logical records about the potential invaders, for future use if need be.
Incidentally, I’m not criticising your comment about us not all using antibodies. It may well be that it is not always necessary to use them, if we are fit enough just to prevent infection via our T-cell memory directly. Remember that those of us who recovered from several infections, such as measles, when growing up, are considered to be permanently immune to them.
I’ll show this to the nobhead I work with who thinks I should be in prison for refusing to join the cult. It’s won’t make a blind bit of difference though.
Devastated parents warn how the covid shots killed or crippled their children /// padres devastados advierten que las vacunas covid mataron o dejaron lisiados a sus hijos (odysee.com)
They thought they were doing the right thing.
Reuters reporting Japan is at 1% of its COVID peak cases and falling. India is at 3% of its peak and falling. What did these countries do? Ditch vaccine mandates for ivermectin. Since April 28, India medical officials started providing hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to its massive population. As India is the major pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world, they were ready for this massive drug distribution. MIRACULOUSLY!, COVID cases have plummeted quickly since then. Meanwhile, all “first world” countries in Europe are reporting a rise in cases. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Shock.
And even better, drum roll :-
There are no adverse effects, sorry, side effects.
Good piece Noah, though reiterating what to most independent of thought, free thinking individuals, is the bleedin’ obvious.
These obvious, clear, evolutionary facts will of course be kept as tightly wrapped as possible by the propaganda machine especially the evil Beeb.
Perfect exmple…
BBC version of much loved Jethro’s recent death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-59666409
Then slightly more detail from SKY News, spot the difference!
https://news.sky.com/story/jethro-comedian-dies-after-contracting-covid-19-family-say-their-lives-will-never-be-the-same-without-him-12496225
If that ain’t blatant equivocation I don’t know what is? Plain English = Lyng bastards!
It’s not about the virus, never has been as we here know.
This is why. It’s all about the redistribution of money. Upwards.
https://odysee.com/@OracleFilms:1/2021.11.12-Catherine-Austin-Fitts-Switzerland-Press-Conference_HD:7
It is difficult to ascribe validity to this study because we cannot validate the data. Although it makes complete sense we should not fall into the same position as with much of the vaccine promoting science. This data needs to be analysed. Verified and published. The concept of giving an mRNA vaccine against a spike protein in an individual with immunity against the SARS-Cov-2 virus has no evidence base and my experience from patients recently is associated with adverse reactions . (No one seems to know or fill out the yellow card system)
Vaccinating the immune is unethical. Hence as high proportion of children have antibodies it is a potential disaster?
I had covid this time last year, was no worse than a cold for me.
Had first jab and felt ill day after but made it into work as i had an urgent job to do.
Second jab, was on a Friday so had day off on Saturday, but was so ill that if it had been a work day i would not have gone in.
Third jab, following day off sick. This seems to be the case for colleagues that have been jabbed but have had covid.
I work for NHS so choice is get jabbed or will not be able to work after April.
So when forth jab comes round i may as well phone in sick while waiting my 15 minutes after the jab before being allowed to leave.