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The NHS Covid Pass Doesn’t Make Any Sense

by Noah Carl
13 December 2021 8:25 AM

Last Thursday, the Prime Minster announced that the NHS Covid Pass would become mandatory for entry into nightclubs and other venues “where large crowds gather”. While the timing of this announcement seems to be motivated more by politics than anything else, does the measure itself actually make sense? I would argue: no.

The NHS Covid Pass is available to those who meet any of the following three conditions. One, you’ve received two or more vaccine doses. Two, you’ve tested positive in the past six months and have finished self-isolating. And three, you’ve tested negative in the past 48 hours.

So, the passes do at least recognise natural immunity, which is condition number two. But will requiring them have any impact on serious illness and death (which is after all what really matters)? It seems unlikely.

Requiring passes certainly can’t guarantee zero transmission at large events, since we know that both vaccinated and previously infected people can transmit the virus.

The only measure that would come close to achieving zero transmission is requiring everyone – regardless of vaccination or natural immunity – to present a negative test upon entry. However, this measure would still be vulnerable to false negatives, or persons who became infected shortly after testing negative.  

If you’re a vulnerable person deciding whether or not to attend a large event, the fact that Covid passes are mandatory is no guarantee whatsoever that you won’t catch Covid. (As I’ve argued before, vaccine passports could have the unintended consequence of leading vulnerable people to engage in more risky behaviour.)   

In principle, requiring passes could lower the level of transmission at large events. But any effect is likely to be extremely small.

That’s because most people were vaccinated several months ago, so at this point won’t be much less likely to transmit the virus than those who aren’t unvaccinated. (They might even be more likely to transmit it.) Among the vaccinated, only those who’ve had three doses will have somewhat more protection against infection.

On top of that, the number of people who’d be turned away without a negative test – i.e., unvaccinated people who haven’t been infected in the last six months – must be pretty small, especially when you consider how many young people caught the virus over the summer. Which raises the question: what’s the point?

Finally, there’s the issue of why we should even care about the total number of infections. Covid isn’t going anywhere, which means most of us are going to catch it sooner or later – regardless of whether we’re vaccinated. (I am, in case you’re interested.)

Our goal should be protecting vulnerable people as the virus becomes endemic. It’s unclear how slowing transmission in nightclubs makes any real contribution to that goal.

Tags: Endemic CovidNHS Covid PassVaccines

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

Yes we’ve known all this since the start or near the start.

It’s not about a virus.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We certainly know now – did anyone see film yesterday of German police going through crowds with two metre poles to enforce distancing. People are simply being made to accept more and more arbitrary impositions.

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steve_z
steve_z
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

In the future this will look as stupid as the films of their book burning and kristellnacht

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Does the NHS Covid Pass Make Any Sense?
NO – for controlling an endemic new flu virus delivered courtesy of NIH funding via EcoDeathAlliance albeit it was the perfect vector for this rolling lockstep RESET.
YES – for controlling society via a technofacist 24/7 bio-security matrix control grid, delivering social credit scores and soon to be introduced CBDC.
Can you tell what it is yet?

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Maybe, but probably not in my lifetime.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Not stupid but ideologically driven, German philosophy did its work then and has done its work now.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

In the future, the past will be corrected by MiniTruth.

How do you defeat a global cabal that is so powerful that it can literally publish a book telling you how it is going to enslave you, then have you unpersoned for even mentioning the title of the book?

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

I guess those look much worse than stupid but the poles have a kind of Monty Python inanity.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Whilst the people with the rulers wak within 1 meter of every one 🤣. Total lunacy

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

Chust followink ordurs (/cheesy Hollywood German accent)

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dante
dante
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Seeing videos like that confirms to me that State institutions have completely gone insane. Which is utterly terrifying, because as Voltaire said, those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Police measuring the distance between folk with a big red stick is pretty high up on the absurdity scale.

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John Mills
John Mills
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

US family owned business called Entrust, previously known as Canadian company Datacard. Datacard was taken over by a family called Quandt in 1987 and renamed Entrust in 2013. The Quandt family originate from Germany and made it big as industrialists supporting the NAZI regime in WW2, they owned arms and munitions manufacturers and also own Varta (batteries) and are shareholder and board members of Daimler, BMW etc. They had family links to Joseph Goebbels and AH was even best man at one of their weddings.

There was a video giving more details about this family and their links to the use of slave labour during WW2 but it has now been deleted from You-tube. This Jerusalem Post article probably covers the same ground.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Nazi-Goebbels-descendants-are-hidden-billionaires-503531

I find it hard to believe that a Jew and ‘Passionate Zionist’ PM (in his own words) with a CFI selected cabinet would approve use of a company owned by a family with this background.

We live in strange and dangerous times indeed!

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s not. Legal action is being taken against the elite.
Please share the hell out of this page & video.
Midazolam Murders | Charges To Be Laid On Winter Solstice (thebernician.net)

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

This just gets my hopes up and then I realise that they are not likely to be realised – unless the courts and judges decide to act. As they are as much a part of the bought off establishment and the rest of it I don’t see that happening.

I wish him well. I really hope he succeeds.

BUT – what is all this below, from his website, about???

“Given that PUB’s case will be the first to proceed in a criminal court on the 21st of December and because almost every government, the UN and the WHO are likely to be named as defendants to charges of crimes against humanity, there is currently only one possible jurisdiction within which it will be possible to hear such charges – the jurisdiction created by the Treaty of Universal Community Trust, the only government free jurisdiction in existence.
In the absence of the oft-promised ‘Nuremberg 2’, we will in due course convene a Supreme Grand Jury, under the well-established conventions of the UCT Treaty, where every defendant in the conspiracy to commit genocide will be held to account for their crimes.
For the purposes of which, a Common Law Peacekeeping Force is forming across the world, comprised mainly of former police and armed forces personnel, who represent the majority of those still serving, none of whom are willing to continue taking the orders of obviously rogue and criminal governments.
When the time comes, this Peace-Keeping Force will ensure the safety and security of those involved in these proceedings, when we are aiming to engage as many people as possible in the defiant display of resistance planned for 21/12/2021, which will begin with the laying of the Midazolam Murder charges.”

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John Mills
John Mills
3 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

Same Morphine and Midazolam euthanasia process being followed by New South Wales Health Authority, if your symptoms are ‘distressing shortness of breath’ you are given M&M when Midazolam has been ‘associated with respiratory depression and respiratory arrest’!!!

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Hospitals are making up their own inhumane rules on visiting
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/hospitals-are-making-up-their-own-inhumane-rules-on-visiting/
Tom Penn

Join the friendly resistance and don’t let other’s do it for you

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Good Noah appears to be waking up slightly after all this time though. Doh!

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Horse
Horse
3 years ago

The case for medical passes being required to participate in society is so simultaneously morally repugnant and nonsensical, only Bojo the Dancing Clown could make it.

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ACEexpat
ACEexpat
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

I’m not defending Boris, but he’s not the only politician doing this. I’m in France now and the restrictions are technically worse but not many are following them. I’ve only been asked to show my pass a few times in two months.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  ACEexpat

“I’m not defending Boris, but he’s not the only politician doing this.”

So, why would that be?

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ACEexpat
ACEexpat
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

It’s obvious why. He never had any principles and he’s a coward. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Groupthink

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Beowa
Beowa
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Money and power

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  ACEexpat

The Covid measures are all about coercing populations to “volunteer” for the lethal injections. Once we are all jabbed, most of the work is done and they will declare victory, even while their citizenry dropping like flies. Those few that survive the mass cull will likely be the unluckiest of all.

Last edited 3 years ago by Rowan
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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  ACEexpat

“Asked”?

Did you comply?

They didn’t shove everyone on the cattle trains at once.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

No, no, no. They weren’t shoved. They were nudged. Then they were nudged into nice cleansing showers.

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Dobba
Dobba
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

The irony is – despite a mass exodus of Conservative MP’s opposing Vaccine Passports, it will be Labour that get this pushed through with their backing. That’s fucked up if you ask me.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

you mean once your scratch away the veneer the parties are fundamentally identical when in government?

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Dobba
Dobba
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Well, yes – precisely. As I’ve said on here numerous times – Left and Right are two wings of the same bird. Until some big money interests start looking at other parties, politics is whoever has the biggest pockets to push their propaganda and lies and will forever be a one horse race – albeit a horse with two heads.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

They are made in the same factory. There are superficial differences to deal with market segmentation, but the underlying composition is the same. They serve their corporate masters. Kerching. If you are really good at it, you get a seat on the never-ending Middle East Peace Process gig.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

It’s proof these measures are socialist.

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Jon Garvey
Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

We’ve reached the point that the society we’re being made to qualify for isn’t worth the participation.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Excellently put Jon

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

On the contrary, this is the work of Michael Gove, who is dangerous because he isn’t stupid.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Bojo the “dancing clown’ is also a psychopath.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Son of a eugenicist as well?

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John Mills
John Mills
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse

US family owned business called Entrust, previously known as Canadian company Datacard. Datacard was taken over by a family called Quandt in 1987 and renamed Entrust in 2013. The Quandt family originate from Germany and made it big as industrialists supporting the NAZI regime in WW2, they owned arms and munitions manufacturers and also own Varta (batteries) and are shareholder and board members of Daimler, BMW etc. They had family links to Joseph Goebbels and AH was even best man at one of their weddings.

There was a video giving more details about this family and their links to the use of slave labour during WW2 but it has now been deleted from You-tube. This Jerusalem Post article probably covers the same ground.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Nazi-Goebbels-descendants-are-hidden-billionaires-503531

I find it hard to believe that a Jew and ‘Passionate Zionist’ PM (in his own words) with a CFI selected cabinet would approve use of a company owned by a family with this background.

We live in strange and dangerous times indeed!

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago

It’s not meant to make any sense.

Not one assertion from the regime regarding the CCP Virus withstands any form of rational scrutiny or logic. Not one!

Last edited 3 years ago by AN other lockdown sceptic
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nottingham69
nottingham69
3 years ago

You don’t even have to take the Chinese flow test, just declare a negative. Just as well because these tests are garbage material. These rules as they are pointless but no doubt a starting point for worse.

I have been going to large events regularly for 40 years and don’t recall dropping with any virus. Shutting large outdoor events was always a massive psy-op and linked to the biggest psy-op, which was distancing. Note the commie scientists want distancing back. We must resist that.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

some places have implemented it already – they had the queues going again at the local m&s yesterday.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Reject the queues!

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Yes, the people are trained like dogs now. They wear the masks six feet apart outside the shops because they did before.
That’s middle class people. Authority has always been on their side.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Haven’t seen that in any M&S I have been to – London and small town. The average clientelle are the worst mindless rule followers though.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Showing your vaxpäss is the point. It doesn’t matter how you get your green tick. You can only win this game by not playing it at all.

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Bill314
Bill314
3 years ago

Omicron. Another variant, but the same response – mad panic.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

I should imagine nightclubs are chock-a-block of geriatrics, terminally ill & morbidly obese people.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

That’s a bit unfair. I’m sure that some oldsters can cut a rug with the best of them, but I haven’t seen too many Stringfellow types queuing up outside nightclubs. On the other hand, many of the morbidly obese are the chaps on the door, tasked with throwing the punters in, or chucking them out.

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ACEexpat
ACEexpat
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

Stringfellows?? You just dated yourself there.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

enough about Blackpool.

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Dobba
Dobba
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The play is to get the young vaccinated. Once they’re ‘in the system’ they’re members for life. The same with vaccinating 5+ year olds. Start them young and get them on the wheel and not only do you have a business model that has billions of people subscribed to you, but it’s easier to have total control of the people by making something ‘a ‘normal’ part of life’.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

Well exactly. If the oiks seem to be getting out of line it’s time for another injection. Sorted.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dobba

It is the right think to do – A. Schicklgruber

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago

Irrespective of the illogical nature of all of this, I don’t see any functional difference between showing your ‘vaccine’ bona fides, showing proof of previous ‘infection’, or showing proof of a ‘negative test’. Ultimately, you’re still complying by, in one way or another, showing a permission pass like a good little citizen.

Last edited 3 years ago by Moderate Radical
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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Complying is effectively asking for permission to be raped on a regular basis.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago

Oh for heaven’s sake: these jabs DO NOT prevent you catching it; they DO NOT prevent you passing it on. They might suppress your symptoms, yes, but that makes you MORE dangerous to vulnerable people, not less.

The only good thing about jab passports is that I will KNOW where to avoid if I don’t want to catch germs.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

There is no “it”. If you concede this you are trapped in their hall of mirrors. There is simply a fraudulent unvalidated test which spews out positive results that has absolutely no correlation whatsoever with a specific illness. Do you think if this was real and being done honestly that the whole world could be transformed like this on the back of unvalidated tests. Theyre getting away with it because people are believing their lies – the main one of which is that there is a new virus causing new symptoms. There isnt and there is ZERO proof that there is a novel contagious pathogen.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Thanks for your reply, but I have to say I (slightly) disagree with you. My take is that there IS a nasty virus out there that is behaving in strange ways and which has a strange make-up (and, yes, I am of the view that it came out of Wuhan gain of function research part-funded by the US taxpayer courtesy of Fauci). It is dangerous for the old and the comorbid.

I’m with you on the testing nonsense, though. And on any and all of their so-called mitigations, either pharmaceutical or npi.

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raigbrym
raigbrym
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Precisely. But whether you believe in “it” or not, anyone who still believes in Case Numbers needs to watch this documentary (already deleted by YouTube):

HARM Part One – The PCR Test Deception (Trailer)

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TORs
TORs
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

In most people natural immunity “suppresses symptoms” too.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

But is even that true? What is the actual rate of asymptomatic spread, so loved by the Faucists?
Is there instead a day or two – before those who will go on to be symptomatic show their symptoms – when virus is being spread?
That does matter as a distinction.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

What is the actual rate of asymptomatic spread,

The HMG mad modellers claim 1 in 3. A large scale clinical evaluation of in a city of 10 million found no actual cases, but claimmed 1 in 3000 as a plausible upper bound (presumably based on strict statsitcal uncertainty)

The 1 in 3 was used to justify masking / social distances. Surprise bullshit responses to bullshit predictions, but the people were trained to go along.

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Dave Bollocks
Dave Bollocks
3 years ago

If the new variant is going to spread as fast as predicted (which would also prove the passes are useless) then everyone would be in the ‘infected in the last 6 months’ category around a month or so from now.

This would also mean the passes are useless.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

The numbers from spread are from testing apparently, how do they know what variant?

Last edited 3 years ago by DanClarke
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Jon Garvey
Jon Garvey
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

As i understand it, PCRs target three nucleotide sequences, because any two may be found in uninfected individuals, but all three are unlikely to be. So a test with only two matches is a negative… or it was.

Because Omicron is lacking one of the sequences, so it has been decided that a result with the remaining two is diagnostic of the variant.
Spot the problem.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Bollocks

And therefore… useful!

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AndyPandy
AndyPandy
3 years ago

All logic left the building a long time ago.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  AndyPandy

It was shot in the woods and buried.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

After being rendered unconscious by a blow from a candlestick in the library.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago

Stop going.

Don’t frequent establishments where showing your papers is required. Don’t work around it. Don’t say “I’m exempt”. Refuse to spend your money.

Only when operations start failing in sufficient numbers will anything change.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

The government and other agencies seem to believe that not enough people will boycott such places so they feel emboldened to push through with them. Unfortunately, there is probably some truth in that, particularly short term, but whether such businesses will survive long term remains to be seen but that is far too down the road for Johnson and co to care about.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

This article about so-called passports follows the theme of all on this site. They attempt to make out a case against them on medical grounds. Which leaves you wondering if this site would support them if the medical grounds were proven.
I think the vast majority of readers of this site object to them on other grounds, some because of how they could evolve in the future.
There appears to be a serious disconnect on this most vital issue between the editorial staff and its readers. Unless this is resolved it could mean the end of this site’s support by many I fear.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

I agree with your basic point though I use this site rather than “supporting” it. I mean, I am glad it exists and believe the DS team is on our side, but don’t agree with them on everything. I don’t think we can afford to be too picky, though obviously there are lines not to cross for all of us.

It would get boring for us, but the basic message is
1) Covid was not an emergency by any rational definition of the word
2) Lockdowns are wrong on principle
3) Medical coercion is wrong on principle
4) All the measures were explicitly warned against by pandemic planning orthodoxy before 2020 and are experimental, with no evidence they work

I don’t think it’s necessary to go beyond these. TBH, you could probably stop at (1) because after that everything else follows

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

My guiding principle on such matters is derived from Ed Koch:
If you agree with me on 6-9 out of 12 issues, vote for me.
If you agree with me on 10-12 out of 12, go see a shrink.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I like that

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ACEexpat
ACEexpat
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I lived in NYC during the Koch administration. He was corrupt even by NY standards. He was amusing but extremely corrupt. One of my friend’s mother went to jail because of the garbage barge scandal.

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PatrickF
PatrickF
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Lighten up, Downticker!

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PatrickF
PatrickF
3 years ago
Reply to  PatrickF

Lighten up three downtickers! Your ‘vaccines ‘ don’t protect you!

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Rai
Rai
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

1) Covid was not shown to exist by any scientific definition of the word…

So you’re right: everything should have stopped at (1)

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

‘This article about so-called passports follows the theme of all on this site. They attempt to make out a case against them on medical grounds. Which leaves you wondering if this site would support them if the medical grounds were proven.’

Exactly. One seldom if ever sees a moral case being made. It seems apposite to ask the question, How many of this site’s writers willingly participate in this medical apartheid by showing some sort of ‘proof’ that they ‘qualify’ to function as privileged, upper-level citizens in this segregated society?

Last edited 3 years ago by Moderate Radical
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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Moderate Radical

Give the criticism of the site and by definition all those working on it a rest.

If you can’t think beyond the ATL articles, think critically in other words then you are on the wrong site.

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Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Good grief. That is muddle-headed.

‘Give the criticism of the site and by definition all those working on it a rest.’

How about No? I’ll offer criticism where I see fit, thank you very much. You may think this is your very own little echo chamber, but it’s not.

Hey, if you don’t like it, perhaps you are ‘on the wrong site’.

‘If you can’t think beyond the ATL articles, think critically in other words then you are on the wrong site.’

What on earth are you talking about? I’m the one ‘think[ing] beyond the ATL articles’ and thinking critically. You’re apparently too agreeable/acquiescent to think critically. I think you’re talking to a mirror.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Johnson looks like he’s got PTSD from what the behavioural scientists in Sage have done to him, almost 2 years of coercion that he can’t get out of, would do it.

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TheApesOfWrath
TheApesOfWrath
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

He looked frightened.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  TheApesOfWrath

He knows he is lying through his teeth. So do Whitty and Vallance.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Johnson and Whitty in particular display it with their body language.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  TheApesOfWrath

And homeless

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

CAF thinks the lesser evil ones are all being blackmailed and threatened with loss of life for them and their families now if they don’t comply.
He certainly looks and acts that way.
Post politics money will also be a huge driver of him and his decisions, of course.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Its serious whatever it is, you don’t end up looking like him if you think you’re saving lives and running the whole show efficiently

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

All those African leaders who met an untimely end after dissing the covid scam would probably agree.

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No-one important
No-one important
3 years ago

Makes perfect sense if you disregard the virus entirely. Digital ID, digital currency and no cash, government control over every single aspect of our lives. It is as plain as a pikestaff to anyone with just a modicum of genuine curiosity and an open mind.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  No-one important

Sadly the opposition to such an idea falls into two camps. Those who deny that’s happening and those who want it to happen. And their sum is greater than the sum of us who don’t want it

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  No-one important

I’d add to that DNA harvesting, which along with digital identities is the whole point of the positive test in the past six months for your freedom carrot on the stick.
Incidentally, my MP assured me last week that he does not support the IDs, “except in war or national emergency”. Not quite sure why he thought I was so stupid I couldn’t work out this meant the government has every incentive to keep us terrified of a virus, alien invasion or indeed war of any sort, including against pathogens. Sigh.

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divoc origi 19
divoc origi 19
3 years ago

As you said Noah, none of the three criteria can be used accurately to judge whether you have covid. And the reason that we should all be very afraid, is because in the world we now live in, solutions HAVE to be found by politicians, to protect the people, regardless of what it means for bodily autonomy or state powers.

If you war game this through to its logical conclusion, the only way that we could have systems that give you instant, real time clarification of whether people are carrying a public health endangering, infectious disease is by using some kind of embedded digital biotechnology that monitors the blood.

It was very easy to ridicule sceptics by saying “oh you probably think Bill Gates wants to put microchips in the vaccines hahaha” and while technically that statement is not true, the Gates Foundation is part of numerous projects and platforms that are developing implantable devices.

Having seen the impact that technocrats and people like Gates have had on the pandemic, it doesn’t take a huge leap of faith to see where we are heading with this. There is not a more efficient public health tool than microchip technology that can monitor all of our vital data in real time and make medical decisions using (pharma sponsored) algorithms.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  divoc origi 19

The hysteria has been working … seen on another UK forum

‘We have no other choice. The data with Omicron gets worse and worse so their only play other than hard lockdown now is smash out as many boosters as possible and hope it works. I want this to work because it has to.’

This person is probably suffering from a disease called BBC …

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Have these people not realised that if this scariant spreads as rapidly and is as dangerous as the propaganda tries to imply then ‘boosters’ (even if they work) are pointless as it’ll spread everywhere before the ‘boosters’ would have any effect anyway?

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Felice
Felice
3 years ago

Ironically, there is one way in which the vaxxport could be thought to function – namely to protect the unvaxxed!!!
If the vaxxes work as they say, then it does not matter if the double jabbed catch covid or even pass it on as they won’t end up in hospital. (sarcasm here, please note).
However, the dirty unvaxxeed might catch covid and end up in hospital if they are allowed to attend a large event. Hence they need to be prevented from attending.
There is a logic to this argument, but I doubt I’ll ever hear anyone in government using it.

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
3 years ago

We have never mass tested for colds and flu and we shouldn’t be now for the mild Omicron or any variants before.
Stop testing, stop jabbing. isolate when feeling unwell and infectious and get on with our lives.
It’s worked like that for millennia.

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Javy
Javy
3 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

You are SO right, GHF ! It’s just so simple isn’t it ?

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Except our current predicament has nothing to do with protecting the nation’s health, infact the opposite is the case.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

A rather more apt headline might read “Covid-Absolutely Nothing Perpetrated by The State Makes Sense”.

That’s inevitable when Absolutely Everything-medicine, science, the law, society, industry, business, health and on and on-is subordinated or suborned to politics and the interests of cliques. There’s plenty of “protection” going on, but most of it is for Johnson’s backside, and those of the coterie of stooges, profiteers and others on the make, that cluster round.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago

“…since we know that both vaccinated and previously infected people can transmit the virus.”. Maybe I’ve missed something, but my understanding was that the non-vaxxed will be far more likely to be ill, therefore know they are infectious, than the vaxxed (as the ‘vaccine’ doesn’t stop infection, but does supress symptoms) – including those non-vaxxed who became reinfected. Anyone point me to study showing otherwise?

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Can you find any government data supporting that assertion. For instance, there were 1,300 complaints to Ofcom about Dr Hilary and Lorraine Kelly last week and they still haven’t managed any supporting data. You. are just buying into the “there must be something in it” delusion.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Sorry, which ‘assertion’? I don’t see that I’ve asserted anything, I’ve questioned an ‘understanding’. That understanding being based upon the knowledge, as explained by Boris Johnson himself, that the vaccines neither stop transmission nor stop infection. Which bit do you clarifying?
I’m saying that I don’t see how the unvaxxed, of which I am one, can possibly transmit the virus at the same rate as the vaxxed.

Last edited 3 years ago by Free Lemming
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL00v2YjWKI

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago
Reply to  Free Lemming

Indeed – if (big if) the vaccine works the way they say it does and reduces symptoms then the vaccinate are a much higher risk when it comes to spreading the virus as they will not know they have it, and/or feel well enough to go to nightclubs when infected.

But of course, as with every analysis to do with data on transmission, it’s a pointless scab to pick at as it really, really isn’t anything to do with keeping people safe. And we are now at the point where one would have to be seriously impaired in ones critical reasoning not to see that. The fact so many people don’t is testimony to a combination of the effectiveness of the psy-ops and the rank stupidity of the majority.

Last edited 3 years ago by artfelix
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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Yep, agree. I think, judging by how unpopular it was, my original comment has been misunderstood. Meh

Last edited 3 years ago by Free Lemming
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Captain Detterling
Captain Detterling
3 years ago

“The NHS Covid pass doesn’t make any sense.”

That’s not a bug: that’s a feature. If you’ll use it for this, knowing it makes no sense, what grounds have you objecting to the next iteration?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Detterling

Totalitarian countries do things that make no sense in order to make train people to comply without thought

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Otacon
Otacon
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

That’s the entire point of things like political correctness – to embarrass people. To get people to repeat things they know not to be true because they fear what will happen to them if they don’t

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

The ‘covid pass’ won’t make sense to someone who has always promoted the idea that this shit show is a cock-up or opportunism.

It makes lots of sense to those of us who from the start said this is nothing to do with a virus but everything to do with the 4th Industrial Revolution, Agenda 21-30.

The likes of Neil Ferguson openly stated that they wanted to copy the Chinese communists. The ‘covid pass’ is their Social Cedit System.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Do you have a link for the neil ferguson quote?

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Otacon
Otacon
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

He’s probably talking about this interview where Professor Pantsdown gave us such gems as

It’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it
in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.

And

“These days, lockdown feels inevitable. It was, he reminds me,
anything but. “If China had not done it,” he says, “the year would have
been very different.””



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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

It was in a Times interview, and headed Peter Hitchens Twitter account for months.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

The next jabbing hysteria has got a goal of 18 million, which will likely be the same people who got the first 2 as its called a ‘booster’, so its not about recruiting new members which is weird.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago

Noah the point is that everyone is nudged towards having a digital medical pass to partake in life. Anyone who gets covid has the incentive to get a PCR test so they can consequently do the things “they love to do” and also avoid the jabs. And it isn’t just about the IDs, it’s also about DNA harvesting. https://khmezek.substack.com/p/war?r=e6w6h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

And for Grants and Funds, Charlie opened yet another £1 billion lab last week. Investors in pharma have become billionaires and trillionaires already

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago

One thing’s for sure: the travel bans and regulations are completely useless if the new scariant has found its way around the world so easily. But I suppose the answer is as always to double down on the strategy that doesn’t work…

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  LovelyGirl

Nope – not so LovelyGirl. They are doing a wonderful job of destroying the travel industry, so that in future travel is only for the elite, not the dirty masses. [sarc]

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Control of the World Bank and 100% of the money has always been the plan, control the money, control the people. But Johnson looks a wreck doing it, meanwhile Sturgeon and Drakeford look positively upbeat, doing it, and there are politicians who could like to replace Johnson who would feel the same as those 2.

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divoc origi 19
divoc origi 19
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

And very obvious candidates in both the red and blue corners. We are fucked.

Last edited 3 years ago by divoc origi 19
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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago

Last week I watched the 1978 drama, Holocaust. Several parts struck a chord for me.
However, one exchange seemed especially relevant (though I don’t have the exact wording).

It’s towards the end of the drama, when Dorf (member of the SS) is speaking with other SS members; and it’s clear that most of them are aware that they are going to have to try to cover up what they have done.

They speak of the millions who have been killed, and Dorf says “We have to go on. Don’t you understand? If we stop now, it’s admitting we were wrong”.

Leaving everything else to one side, I think that this is at play with governments today. They are never going to stop pressing for jabs, and the vax pass, and lockdowns and regulations, because if they stop now, how are they going to explain the past 21 months? Especially to people who have died or been injured through jabs/lockdowns/lack of hospital treatment/ etc?

(Yes, I know it’s a drama, and dramatic licence and all that, but it doesn’t mean that some of the sentiments expressed cannot hit home today.)

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Spot on. Especially for Toad, I think.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Been thinking the same thing myself.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

It isn’t meant to make sense, in this case, it’s a measure by a bumbling totalitarian who wants to be seen as doing something, no matter what that something is.

As for the idea in general, it’s a totalitarian measure as an end in itself to Gove and his like.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

At this point, anyone still pretending that the vaxpässen have anything to do with health or infection is controlled opposition.

They are a CCP-inspired, and very likely CCP-mandated social credit score system. If you can’t even say it, how can you properly object to it?

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
3 years ago

How do you know that people that have been previously infected can transmit the virus? As far as I knew, the CDC said they specifically didn’t have any evidence of a single person recovering from Covid, catching it again and transmitting it to someone else. So where did you get that evidence from? You’d better tell the CDC, because I think they’d be very interested in that information.

Secondly, while the immunity pass is the worst thing I’ve seen in this country and I don’t want unvaccinated/unrecovered people to suffer it either, it doesn’t really recognise natural immunity. It recognises natural immunity for 6 months. It assumes that the naturally immune will be vaccinated after their immunity runs out in 6 months, with no evidence. I caught Covid in February last year. I’ll have immunity for life and I’ll never get a vaccine. But apparently my natural immunity isn’t good enough. I advise all those that haven’t had Covid to treat it like chicken pox. Get your Vitamin D and zinc levels up and get some HCQ or Ivermectin and a Budesonide inhaler. Lifelong natural immunity is the only way we beat this thing.

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TORs
TORs
3 years ago

It doesn’t have to make any sense.

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TORs
TORs
3 years ago

This is a good laugh:
Boris Johnson meets Bill Gates to discuss plans to prevent future pandemics

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

MSM is trying to make fun of people wanting to protect themselves with cheap and proven drugs. Ivermectin has been FDA approved for human use since 1996. It also beats Pfizer’s new wonder drug hands down, and costs next to nothing. Ivermectin doesn’t make tons of money. So they know the Covid shot is on its final gasp, so they take it add something different to it, rebrand under another name and charge 20 times what they would for ivermectin. I cannot wrap my head around this nonsense. When I explain this to my relatives they label me as crazy and ask me if I know better than science. I don’t make up these information out of my ass. All this information is true and proven. For some people it is near impossible for them to wake up. They are comfortable in their clown world life. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

NONE of this rollox makes any sense ( unless you want to take over the world!).

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
3 years ago

Noah, Noah, Noah, for the umpteenth time, this is a politcal tool of control. Covid is just the excuse ‘all could agree on’, rather like the WMD used to ‘justify’ Bush/Blair’s war of aggression against Iraq.

When Ferguson/Whitty/Van Tam/Hancock/Javid/Johnson get up the morning, where do you think concern for your (= anyone’s) health is on their list of things to act on? Way below “what is that stuff in my belly button?” is my guess.

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John Mills
John Mills
3 years ago

US family owned business called Entrust, previously known as Canadian company Datacard. Datacard was taken over by a family called Quandt in 1987 and renamed Entrust in 2013. The Quandt family originate from Germany and made it big as industrialists supporting the NAZI regime in WW2, they owned arms and munitions manufacturers and also own Varta (batteries) and are shareholder and board members of Daimler, BMW etc. They had family links to Joseph Goebbels and AH was even best man at one of their weddings.

There was a video giving more details about this family and their links to the use of slave labour during WW2 but it has now been deleted from You-tube. This Jerusalem Post article probably covers the same ground.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Nazi-Goebbels-descendants-are-hidden-billionaires-503531

I find it hard to believe that a Jew and ‘Passionate Zionist’ PM (in his own words) with a CFI selected cabinet would approve use of a company owned by a family with this background.

We live in strange and dangerous times indeed!

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