Neil Ferguson, a.k.a. ‘Professor Lockdown’, isn’t the first person you’d expect to be making the case for focused protection. But that’s more or less what he did in a BBC interview last week.
Britain, the professor noted, is in a “quite different position” from countries like the Netherlands and Germany – both of which recently posted their highest infection rates since the pandemic began (despite the presence of mask mandates and vaccine passports).
“We’ve had very high case numbers,” Ferguson continued, “between 30,000 and 50,000 a day – really for the last four months.” And this has “paradoxically” had the effect of “boosting” population immunity.
I’m no expert in epidemiology, but I don’t really see the “paradox” here. If you have large numbers of infections, and they’re heavily concentrated in low-risk groups, then – yes – population immunity will be boosted.
(I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised. As Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya note, many scientists who should know better have downplayed or even denied the existence of natural immunity to Covid.)
Anyway, back to Neil Ferguson. Whether he realised it or not (and I’m leaning towards not), he was making the case for focused protection.
The whole point of that strategy is to protect high-risk groups, while allowing immunity to build in the rest of the population. “As immunity builds,” to quote the Great Barrington Declaration, “the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls.”
Given that the vaccines don’t provide lasting protection against infection, they’re best seen as a way to protect the most vulnerable. And even before the vaccines arrived, building population immunity in low-risk groups made sense, as a way to minimise the time that high-risk groups would have to spend shielding.
More than a month ago, I asked whether we should encourage young people to get the virus, so as to build up more immunity before the winter? If the latest data are anything to go by, it seems the answer to my question was “yes”.
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That would be locking down DAGE then would it, so the rest of us can carry on living normally?
I’m a bit confused about the paragraph refering To Martin & Jay it looks like a bit of it has gone missing. If any one is in any doubt they were clear that we would build up immunity over time and we should have concentrated on protecting the most vulnerable. If we had followed their advice as set out in the Great Barrington declaration we would have had less deaths and suffered less cost to our country’s finances. Feguson and Hancock and many other scientists rubbished the declaration and we have paid and are paying in increased taxes the cost of that. The most wrong thing is that those scientists who gave very flawed advice to our government are still being listened to by them.
The snake Ferguson is ‘nudging’ towards what’s being hinted at in France.. confining people over 65 in their homes.. for their protection of course. But it wouldn’t stay there as the hint then talked of over 50s.
Do you see where this is going ?
They know that isolating people damages them, makes them vulnerable, so they are weasel wording their way into the next stage of this farce..
Same old same old.. divide and rule..
If I had just made a very public pronouncement recommending new restrictions of any sort, I would not break those rules as it would undermine their credibility. Unless, of course, I didn’t believe what I’d just espoused.
But, this is exactly what Ferguson and too many other ‘experts’ to name were discovered to have done. For me, this proves beyond doubt that we’re being conned.
Imagine Churchill not carrying his gas mask.
To use an old pejorative term, he’s ‘covering up his a—e’ to defend himself. I agree with you that there is nothing paradoxical about normal human behaviour and it’s outcome. The concept of “lockdown” and related political behaviour is the real problem, is it not?
Ferguson coming around to agreeing with the Great Barrington Declaration? Unbelievable. This snake is a piece of work! He is now slithering to escape from his part of the blame for this hellish fiasco. He should be at the front of the line of accused when Nuremburg 2 takes place!
So he’s admiring the Great Barrington Declaration was correct.
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Focused Protection ?
isn’t that where they protect the “vulnerable” by locking down the un-vaxxed ?
ferguson’s been trotted out to give the next predictive programming heads-up.
You have to hand it to Ferguson, he is consistent. He’s been consistently 100% wrong, about everything he decides to open his mouth and talk about.
This isn’t the first time, and it’s unlikely to be the last, that I’ve said, “fuck off, Ferguson”.
Time Ferguson and Gates/China financed Imperial College were exposed as among the principal engineers of the Global Covid Scam and the Mass Gene Therapy Injection ‘project’. He has obviously been primed once again to join in on the latest Lockdown hype .
It is now all so obviously all a pack of total lies.
I think the only focused protection we’re likely to see is vaccine passports & locking up the healthiest in society, i’e. The unvaccinated.
YES the big pharma propaganda & liberal religion of scientism is taking us, to chemical apartheid, the likes of Austria, Australia, Germany are discriminating against the healthiest people in society & calling them unclean for not polluting their bodies with synthetic alien substances, and to think I used to ridicule conspiracy theorists who would rant about transhumanism & Malthusianism!
I was going to quote Luke 15:7 (“There will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent”) but, because Ferguson is a mendacious, philandering, self-regarding, serially inaccurate cuck, I think I’ll stick instead with John 11:35 (“Jesus wept”).
Neil Ferguson will forever be known as the bloke who told everybody else to stay at home to protect their grannies whilst he had his mistress, the wife of another man, flit across London to his lair for a bit of rumpy pumpy. What a hypocrite.
I have always said, right from the beginning of this debacle, that covid parties was the way to go.
Just like the measles parties of old.
It’s not to late. As a bonus, its likely the virus has become less virulent (probably why its not killing so many, nothing to do with “vaccine” effectiveness) & more infectious (showing up the “vaccines” for what they are, useless). Evolving, as most viruses do, becoming less harmful, because killing your host is an evolutionary dead end.
Most COVID data is bogus given the ease with which the numbers can be adjusted by the authorities to support the desired narrative at any moment in time – this is particularly true of “cases” which can be made to rise by simple virtue of doing more tests or ramping up the number of PCR cycles used.
The share of positive tests is a slightly better measure as it removes the influence of the number of tests done from the comparison*
And if we look at that measure in the UK, Netherlands and Germany we can clearly see the UK’s positive cases are on a downward trend while the Netherlands and Germany are rising steeply. Perhaps the UK got more of its pandemic over with in 2020 and so has greater immunity now? All of those Guardian commenters in 2020 saying “look how much better our European friends are doing with COVID compared to the little Englanders” may look a little foolish if so (not for the first time).
* Of course there are still plenty of confounding variables when comparing the positive test rates in different countries: PCR cycle numbers and also what populations are subject to testing –… Read more »
Downward trend is no longer the case for the UK, at least not for now: Mass testing, presumably again mostly of healthy pupils, has again stopped an attempt at stealing the experts their beloved pandemic (simulation) dead in its tracks!
When they captured Osama bin Laden, someone suggested he should be sentenced to having to go through airport security for the remainder of its life. Similarly, I hope all of SAGE and all these professors of public gobbledegook and international dideldidum who are behind this will end up being force-tested for COVID twice per day for the remainder of their lives.
The chart appears to be the Our World in Data 7 day moving average of confirmed daily new cases with the UK omitted. I attach the same chart including the UK and also recent daily new cases without moving average. They give rather a different idea of the relative fortunes of the UK compared to the Netherlands and Germany.
Picture above was too small to read. Better image attached.
Cases of what? What are we to do with this information?*
*What governments do with it is us it to implement insane, evil, expensive fascism based on a Big Lie.
Ferguson knows how the Covidofants produce these numbers and what they actually correspond to: Healthy people repeatedly being caught in the mass-testing net, eg, pupils, people who have to undergo workplace testing etc and – obviously – Corona-mad volunteers who keep testing themselves, many presumably also repeatedly testing positive all the time.
Neil Ferguson does not get to walk this back. By the time all deaths are counted, from lockdowns to delayed hospital appointments, his formal advice to government has killed hundreds of thousands of people totally unnecessarily. He has committed crimes against humanity and must stand trial. Or this happens again and again. This cannot be a “no consequences” situation.
But there’s no-one brave enough to drag him out of his lair.
Are we sure that he meant, or understood, what he was saying?
He’s never knowingly right about anything.
I remember at, about the mid-point of this debacle, reading some analysis on costs vs benefits of lockdowns/restrictions on this site.
We are now over 18 months in and some of the data, including things like NHS waiting lists is shocking.
I wrote to my pro-lockdown Labour MP over a year ago now, warning that the cure is probably going to be worse than the disease, I included a number of pieces of data at the time – but they were largely predictive.
Surely, as I notice the Telegraph is reporting, we have a mounting tsunami of real world evidence that this is the case?
I wonder if readers or contributors have an up to date lists of harms vs benefit, so I can write to my MP once more?
Any help would be great – and, I would encourage DS to work on getting this together so we can all do the same.
At some point they are going to have to admit that lockdown was a policy choice, not a necessity and we have to start making the shit stick on them – and not their scapegoats.
I can’t help thinking that a coordinated focus on… Read more »
In April 2020, about 5 or 6 weeks after this all kicked-off, by accident while channel hopping, I came across a late night talk fest (they’re usually quite serious, socially-engaged nonsense here, hence I avoid like the plague). A woman was talking, either a doctor or hospital administrator, about all the measures they had taken, how tough it had been. Everyone around the able was looking at her as she were Jesus giving the sermon on the mount.
Then a chap there got his turn to speak. He was a professor of Public Administration and Risk Assessment. He said that yes, NL had done well to deal with such an unexpected and overwhelming event, but that no one had ever bothered to speak of cost/benefit and that it was time to start doing so. He had emails from oncologists and other doctors saying they were prevented from continuing their work and that this would lead to missed/late diagnoses which would result in deaths further down the line. He presented a variety of costs/negatives that could arise from focusing solely on corona and that there was great need to do a cost/benefit analysis going forward. The rest of the people at… Read more »
“Lessons have been learned” – isn’t that what is always said after some massive cock-up?
Neil Ferguson is not suggesting focused protection at all, or the benefits of natural herd immunity. He is simply saying that protection against COVID should be focused and that the less vulnerable population will likely, naturally, acquire immunity to COVID. Please don’t twist his words.
That is basically what the GBD said
“Anyway, back to Neil Ferguson”
Why the f., Noah, are you giving more air-time to this numptey fraud as a means of hanging your hat?
All you do is rehearse various Narrative threads :
(1) There’s the true ‘vaccine hesitancy’ – the sort that pauses to think that the 1% ARR does something practically useful.
(2) ‘Focused protection’ is a novel idea. It isn’t – it’s what we all practise when there’s a virus about.
(3) That the virus is exceptionally dangerous to the older population. It isn’t – the somewhat raised mortality follows the natural curve.
(4) More burbling about ‘infections’ and ‘cases’ are given credibility, ffs.
(5) Above all – that this straw man has any insight, given his disatrous modelling record.
Give it a rest.
This is like the abusive partner admitting they have made mistakes and telling their battered victim they have changed their ways now … but one thing is missing in their admission … an apology – a sincere heartfelt sorry for all the harm they have caused and damage they have inflicted.
Wrongdoers who display no sense of remorse should never be taken at their word … there is always usually an ulterior self-serving motive behind their attempts at reconciliation.
So Sweden was right all along then?
I think all on here know this.
“As Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya note, many scientists who should know better have downplayed or even denied the existence of natural immunity to Covid.)”
And this is very very very simple to explain. They’re all taking money from the pharmaceutical giants and their investors.
Ferguson sees which way the wind is blowing and wants to get ahead of the narrative.
Good news I think, but we need to ensure they abandon the vax passports. Swapping mass testing for digital health ID is not a win.
Focussed Protection in the mind of an utter prat like this will be Vax passports and further restrictions on the unvaxxed (which the majority of double/treble vaxxed will lap up).
Wasn’t this what the Barrington declaration was trying to achieve? But instead got branded as “covidiots” and “science deniers”
I remember my BIL (aged late 70s) disagreeing with the GBD because he thought focused protection meant that at his age, he would be forced to stay indoors except for necessary outings and exercise. I pointed out that for the GBD creators, it was advice but not mandatory. I fear focused protection if it was instigated in the future might be aimed only at the non-jabbed, especially the older ones of which I know quite a few, and be mandatory.
So rather than him being shielded he wanted all children’s lives ruined as well? A very selfish attitude that.
‘Forced focused protection’, nice.
“It’s for your own good…..it hurts me more than it hurts you….don’t you want to be safe…..then do as you are bloody well told!
OR ELSE!”
Yes, I am extremely worried that the unvaccinated will be (and already are) fair game for hateful discrimination.
“Divide, create conflict chaos and conquer ” – all very obvioulsy part of the plan
Latvia has banned unvaccinated MPs from voting and even from taking part in debates, and it will also dock their salaries. There are nine of them, out of 100 MPs altogether. (Source.) The Latvian authorities have today begun a crackdown on the unvaccinated outside of parliament too, including by banning them from supermarkets. That’s even if they have a “medical reason” for being unvaccinated. For some reason Latvia isn’t been reported much, if at all, in the British MSM.
They are preferring to report on Austria, perhaps because more of their journalists know where the country is, and they know it’s in some foreign place called “Europe”. The publicly-remunerated turd Katya Adler at the BBC is saying it will be “interesting” to see how restrictions are enforced.
Sad given that Latvia so keenly adopted the new democracy following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
A report yesterday suggested that all who voted in favour of banning unvaxxed MPs came from the ruling ‘far right’ coalition. It would be interesting to know if the banned MPs all come from a particular part of the political spectrum or do they perhaps represent the substantial ethnic Russian minority?
Presumably Latvia has a Constitutional Court? Can’t see such a ban getting past that if properly run.
I’ve wondered whether they will try to pull that here. Health min. De Jonge, of the CDA, formerly the single biggest party in NL, over the past 10 years or so has been decimated and is now a shadow of its former glory, has lost a lot of voters over the years to Wilder’s PVV and presumably in the last year or 2 to FvD (Forum for Democracy), not that far removed from the PVV.
Wilder’s has taken the approach of being against any mandates, but does not oppose any and all measures as such (some yes, like the night curfew). FvD is against all measures and is very outspoken against the vaxx itself. If De Jonge gets his way and allows a caretaker government to push through unconstitutional legislation that can bar people from attending their workplace unless vaxxed/recovered, he will be able to keep FvD MPs from entering parliament. Considering they are clear opponents to the current government, that smacks far more of doing away with political opposition than anything to do with public health concerns.
I don’t know if he will try to keep political opponents out of parliament and I am even less convinced he would… Read more »
If they did that and banned MPs were physically prevented from entering Parliament it would be very reminiscent of the Reichstag c.1933
We used to see a lot of Wim Wilders here on UK media but not so now. I seem to remember our Home Secretary banning him from entering the UK.
Latvia, and the other Baltic states, enthusiastic complicity in the Holocaust was obviously not an aberration. Thank God people, from this disgusting country, no longer have the right to freedom of movement to the UK.