Is Vaccine Effectiveness Against Death Mostly a Statistical Illusion?

In new analysis, Prof Norman Fenton argues that the apparent high vaccine effectiveness against death may be an illusion created by problems in the definitions used in the data.

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One of the big challenges in analysing the data on Covid has been definitions. What is a Covid death, what is a Covid case or infection? What the data appears to say can change radically depending on the definitions adopted.

This has been a particular issue with vaccination, as vaccination status is subject to a variety of conflicting definitions. In particular, when does someone count as vaccinated? Is it as soon as they have the needle in their arm, or do they remain ‘unvaccinated’ after that for a period of time, say seven, 14 or 21 days?

For instance, the recent ICNARC report stated the number of ICU admissions by vaccination status. But it also clarified that ‘unvaccinated’ includes those who received a jab less than 14 days prior to testing positive. This means that some (an unknown number) who were counted as unvaccinated had in fact received a dose.

This may be more than just a minor problem. For one thing, there is now a lot of evidence that people are more vulnerable to infection in the days following their jab, likely due to temporary immune suppression. This means a significant proportion of the vaccinated who are susceptible to infection with the current dominant variant are infected in the immediate post-jab period when in many studies and reports they don’t count as vaccinated. This creates a ‘survivorship bias‘ in the remaining vaccinated group that exaggerates vaccine efficacy. For instance, in a study of the U.S. nursing home population published in NEJM, once the post-jab period was included – when the vaccinated experienced higher incidence than the unvaccinated – the overall proportion of vaccinated and unvaccinated groups testing positive was the same at 6.8%. This makes it essential that all the data is presented, including for past-jab periods, and definitions are clear.

A similar problem occurs with the classification of deaths as vaccinated and unvaccinated. New analysis led by Norman Fenton, Professor in Risk Information Management, and Martin Neil, Professor in Computer Science and Statistics, both at Queen Mary, University of London, has highlighted a strange anomaly in the ONS deaths data that may be indicative of a deeper problem. They noticed that if non-Covid deaths in the unvaccinated were plotted against time over the course of the vaccine rollout then a strange spike appeared during the rollout in which the mortality rate among the unvaccinated shot up to well above the background level. The same thing happened with the non-Covid mortality rate in the single-dosed as second doses were rolled out, and the phenomenon was repeated in each age group as vaccines were administered.

Since there is no obvious reason that vaccination should impact on non-Covid mortality in this way, Prof Fenton, Prof Neil and team argue that this is evidence of a problem in the way the data is recorded or defined. In particular, if it is assumed that the unvaccinated in fact continue to die of non-Covid causes at the background rate and that the additional non-Covid deaths above that are deaths that are actually in the vaccinated but have been misclassified (owing, say, to not counting those who die within 14 days of their jab) then, they argue, a more realistic pattern emerges (see below).

In each age group there is now a spike in non-Covid deaths in the vaccinated right at the start of the rollout, which the team argue makes sense as vaccination was prioritised for the most vulnerable who are more likely to die of any cause. Indeed, it was confusing in the original data that this initial spike was absent and the vaccinated died of non-Covid causes at a lower rate than the unvaccinated despite the most vulnerable being prioritised for vaccination.

The team discovered a different problem when they looked at Covid deaths by vaccination status. Here, the vaccines appear to be highly efficacious, but there is an anomaly that may again be indicative of deeper problems in the data.

Again a spike appears in the unvaccinated mortality rate where there is none in the vaccinated. Fair enough, you might think, as the vaccines are protecting the vaccinated. However, it’s important to remember that the vaccines are not expected to work until 21 days after the first jab, yet here we have a spike in unvaccinated Covid mortality in the middle of the rollout before most of the vaccines should take effect – referring to figure 17 above we can see that the vaccine rollout in the age group peaked in week five, around the same time as the mortality rate in the unvaccinated peaked (week six), which all seems much too early.

Prof Fenton, Prof Neil and team suggest that the problem here may be in the denominator, that is to say, in how many people are supposed to be in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations when calculating the mortality rate each week. It’s important to realise that the populations here are changing fast as tens of thousands of people get vaccinated each week. Using the right figure for the right week therefore makes a big difference to the mortality rate reported. Could this anomalous spike in unvaccinated Covid deaths be an artefact of this kind of problem?

Professor Fenton thinks so. He and his team suggest that the problem may be that the relevant denominator or number of people vaccinated for each week is not how many are vaccinated in the week a person dies but in the week they were infected, which is around three weeks earlier on average. What happens if the denominators are shifted by three weeks to allow for this? (Prof Fenton demonstrates the effect of shifting denominators in a short video of a hypothetical example here.)

The effect is remarkable, as shown below (note the change of scale on the y-axis).

Shifting the population denominator estimates by three weeks means that the number of vaccinated for calculating the vaccinated mortality rate becomes much smaller, making the mortality rate much higher, while the denominator for the unvaccinated becomes much larger, making the mortality rate much lower. This massively reduces the mortality rate in the unvaccinated to low levels – to under five deaths per 100,000 people throughout the period, rather than as many as 125 per 100,000 in week six previously. Instead, a mortality spike appears in the vaccinated at the start of the vaccine rollout (though note that the scale is smaller so it only reaches 30 per 100,000 people), which makes some sense as the vulnerable were prioritised for vaccination and at this point the population of vaccinated was small, so contained a high proportion of vulnerable people. Prof Fenton and team remark that it also tallies with what we know of the increased vulnerability of the recently-vaccinated to infection, as noted above.

The shift in population estimates also greatly reduces the implied effectiveness of the vaccines in the autumn wave, where the lines are now much closer to one another, which is in line with findings from Sweden and elsewhere as vaccine efficacy wanes. Prof Fenton and team suggest that once you take into account the initial spike in the vaccinated, then this new analysis suggests there is “no reliable evidence that the vaccines reduce all-cause mortality”.

So is this what’s going on? There are certainly anomalies that need to be explained, and the analysis by Professor Fenton, Professor Neil and team makes a lot of sense. It deserves to be taken seriously by the ONS and UKHSA.

Stop Press: Watch Prof Fenton discussing his team’s findings with Maajid Nawaz on LBC radio. (We originally linked to the YouTube version of this interview, but it has been removed, as evidently the back office staff at YouTube know better than a Professor in Risk Information Management at Queen Mary, University of London.)

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Mimi
Mimi
4 years ago

Just in personal experience, the shots will make you sick. I caught Covid right after my first shot. After the second, I got the fever and super swollen lymph nodes. Then I caught a cold in June – Delta? The symptoms matched. And I NEVER catch cold – I stopped catching colds when I started eating low-carb several years ago. (I’m not exaggerating – that alone is reason enough to keep up the diet. And it jibes with what other low-carbers have experienced, especially the hyperresponders whose cholesterol shoots up.)

My daughter got sick after both shots last winter, and again after her booster.

My mother is currently quite miserably ill with a respiratory virus – just after getting her Covid booster and flu shot on the same day. She tested negative for corona and flu, but who cares when you have debilitating bronchitis????

Sister just got her booster. She said she thought she might die that night, she felt so awful. And she’s only 48.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  Mimi

Are you having a booster?!

Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
4 years ago

Those of who have gone full blown sceptic like me even doubt that there is a virus. No one has shown that there is an interpersonally transmitted virus causing this illness.

Anyone who thinks that this has been demonstrated is recommended to ask for the proof points. Not accept at face value what so called scientists are telling us, based on Germ Theory.

My own belief is that the true cause of the excess deaths and the strange symptoms called Covid is not known.

The lack of effectiveness of the so called vaccines is then obvious though.

peter charles
peter charles
4 years ago

Reading articles like this on DS and also TCW over the past year or so, I feel I have been on an advance calculus course whilst the rest of the population is still counting on their fingers

RupertK
RupertK
4 years ago

I may have understood but is the fine Prof’s conclusion that the timescales only need shifting by few weeks to alter the denominator to smooth out the vaccinated death spike? But why is this’correction’ required?
Surely a more reasonable, credible explanation for this spike would be that the jabs are killing people and being covered up by the absurd declaration of unjabbed until jab+14 days.
Occam’s razor?

FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
4 years ago

Excellent interview, points out what we already know. The public are being lied to on an industrial scale.

I’ve said it before on here and I’ll say it again. My wife (a clinical pharmacist with a degree in virology) has seen drug and vaccines pulled from the public domain with zero deaths attributed to them. They were pulled because of side effects. Yet we have these drugs that are killing hundreds of thousands worldwide destroying people’s lives and they are being covered up by a criminal cabal.

F@cking disgusting; all for money.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago

Perhaps a lot of it is built on erroneous information via death certificates. Who believes that no-one is influenced by the fact that someone had a jab or not, when deciding what to write down? Even if they don’t admit it? Perhaps they are not independent enough to make a correct decision – after all, look at the ONS glossary on the topic in their weekly reports.

masksniffer22
masksniffer22
4 years ago

I’m going to die of rolling my eyes any minute

Susan
Susan
4 years ago

Drop the Is and the ? and you have yourself a genuine headline.

kate
kate
4 years ago

Internationally renowned scientist, Professor Chris Exley, has been forced out of his longstanding university position because his ground-breaking research challenged vaccine dogmas. Researching vaccine safety has lost him the support of standard funders, attracted malicious media smear campaigns, and, eventually, cost him his livelihood. Here is the full report of how it happened, how I got involved, and why it is critical we expose this shocking story of corruption, injustice, and science sold out.

https://miriaf.co.uk/science-sold-out/

https://www.aluminiumresearchgroup.com/?utm_campaign=47074bda-49c4-4168-8886-12451286a634&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail_lp&cid=2843c817-59b6-4c32-9bb4-697613bf2527

Welcome to the website of the Aluminium Research Group. The group was previously based in The Birchall Centre, Keele University from 1992 to 2021.

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

There are multiple problems with Exley’s studies.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/vaccines-do-not-cause-neurological-damage-aluminum-levels-in-vaccines-are-safe-collective-evolution/

“Aluminum is present in vaccines as microparticles, with a particle size ranging from 1 to 10 micrometers[2]. Such particles are too big to cross cellular barriers, especially the blood-brain barrier (BBB). To put this into perspective, tight junctions at the BBB have a pore size of about 4 angstroms (0.0004 micrometers).” 

Adrian3dtiv
Adrian3dtiv
4 years ago

The Govt and their scientists only need to look at the data coming out of South Africa to see what is really happening with Omicron, where the data clearly shows it is far far less dangerous than the Delta variant to the extent that that the relationship between cases and hospital admissions has been broken. Numbers of people in hospital with Covid is tiny compared to Delta, the number of hospital patients on oxygen is 10% of what it was for Delta and deaths is a very small fraction of this. This looks like omicron will be the way out of the pandemic. I cannot believe the Govt don’t know this!! Which bids a more sinister question!!

helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  Adrian3dtiv

Riddle me this, if “delta” is so dangerous, why are so-called covid deaths (and cases) in India on the floor?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Because India can’t afford (or trust) big pharma, so they were forced to use actual safe prophylactics that do work?

olaffreya
olaffreya
4 years ago

Surreal in the extreme is this covid madness – Prof Fenton did not draw any conclusions as to what’s going on. I will, and what I have considered likely for a while now. The reduction in deaths and hospitalisations is down to Delta being less virulent and the susceptible to serious illness and death naturally reducing. Expect the same for Omicron. Nature doing what it was always going to do and we are evidencing that nature has also created a very stupid entity – people, well the majority of them. The whole pantomime for nothing – unless you consider trashing lives, the economy, and just about everything else as nothing.

isobar
isobar
4 years ago

If Omicon does become the dominant variant but the impact is far milder that would explain the booster rush beforehand. More money for big Pharma!

Health Seeker
Health Seeker
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Like when Robbie Williams signed a multi-squillion £ record deal just before downloading/streaming took over. Let’s hope all this coercion ends up looking as silly as the music industry’s threats to prosecute downloaders.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Health Seeker

I’ve got old LPs saying that copying (onto tape recorders?) is killing the music industry – they seem to have survived.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

What could possibly go wrong, China Creates “Humanized Pigs” To Be Used In COVID Research

Nymeria
Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

That fat fuck Johnson would fit the bill nicely.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Nymeria

He is likely much more pig than human, but still use him for the trials by all means.

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It’s the Pigoons!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“There is no reliable evidence that the ‘vaccines’ reduce all-cause mortality”. (Prof. Fenton)

Does this mean that they’ve been rumbled (though some have suspected this for a while) and that all the “vaccine” coercion measures can cease or at least be suspended? Does it? Be very clear, if they carry on now, this is (more) proof that this nonsense is not about protecting people.

isobar
isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It never was. It’s a financial coup led by big Pharma and the technocrats plus of course key Institutional Investors who had to make money for their clients through investments in Pharma companies.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Certainly looks like a coup d’etat by big pharma and those who have a symbiotic relationship with them – anyone who matters, unfortunately, and the odd Tanzanian politician can apparently be dealt with.

zners
zners
4 years ago

I highly recommend all to watch the latest symposium posted on the doctors 4 covid ethics website. Please watch and please share as much as possible – even if it’s just the last ten minutes of the video. Now is the time to gently sow the seeds of doubt. A significant percentage of the public who are complying know now that something is not right, but they need guidance.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago

Looks like there is an ONS update due out on 20th December. Will be interesting to see what is in that

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 2 January and 5 November 2021

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusenglanddeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand5november2021

John001
John001
4 years ago

Good interview with Dr David Martin in two parts
Covid Revealed (July 2021 but I’m barely keeping up)

1 https://www.bitchute.com/video/YIYAo8eUy87e/
2 https://www.bitchute.com/video/XS3MsomOqUUx/

Might be a struggle for anyone not already a bit of a sceptic.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  John001

He is as knowledgeable about the development of SARS as anyone, whilst not being a Virologist. To be able to recount dates, Patents, US Law code references, lawsuits etc is not the work of someone new to this.

A brain the size of a football – very interesting, arresting and scary but also metaphysical;

Over to you MTF, Rayc and any other supporters of this charade…

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

I ate dinner earlier

However I won’t have officially eaten dinner for another 14 days

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Get jabbed “to save our way of life”, sounds sinister.

Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

We may have to fight for it, just not in the way he thinks

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

very

Star
Star
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Then there are the 42 military planning teams that will be deployed across the country.
For a military view on military involvement in planning during the pandemic, click here.

isobar
isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

That’s deliberate to put the blame on the unvaxxed for cancelling Christmas, Not unexpected though, all part of the plan!

Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago

The effectiveness of the natural immune system against this virus is over 99%, but we oddly don’t hear much about that from the medical fascists

Laicey
Laicey
4 years ago

Interesting. I’m much more frightened by the government than the virus.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Laicey

There is no need for government intervention, if you (generic) are scared, stay home, no ones forcing you (generic) from staying home & hiding under the bed.

Note: furlough has ended, that’s life!

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Laicey

That’s been my position since covvie was first invented.

Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
4 years ago

More interesting analysis which sounds convincing. But to be honest I don’t need to be convinced, and I’ve stopped worrying about convincing anyone else. As far as I’m concerned, its clear that the government, SAGE, big pharma and the media have been lying to us about cases, hospitalisations, deaths, lockdowns, masks, vaccine efficacy, vaccine approvals, vaccine safety data and adverse events, vaccines coercion, vaccine mandates, vaccination of very low risk children, elite compliance with restrictions and the lack of it, the nudge unit and their psychological warfare against the population, NHS utilisation and capacity, care home deaths, alternate therapies including vitamin D3, Zinc, HCQ, IVM, and probably a lot more. There are than enough issues there, and doubts raised for me not to believe anything the government say, or will say ever again. I’m done. I will not comply.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago

Thanks to Prof Fenton for all the good work he is doing.

In terms of anomalies here is one I’ve spotted that I don’t think anyone else has spotted..

The UKHSA has been publishing NIMS database figures from about week 16 of 2021 in their flu and covid-19 surveillance spreadsheets. The total population in the database changes each week because people die and because people become newly registered with a GP and some other corrections and additions may be occurring. It also appears that the ages are fixed in time (currently it’s age at 31st August 2021 following a change in the up to week 42 data and subsequent weeks).

This means you can follow the database over time to look at changes in the number vaccinated and unvaccinated from week to week (as for each week they show the historic figures based on the population still alive and registered with a GP at that week). For say the over 80 age group the total population drops each week very closely in line with mortality in that age group (because there are so few new registrations with GPs going on and deaths drive the fall in numbers and because there… Read more »

12th-Dec-NIMS-anomaly.jpg
Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Please do consider sending this to Fenton & co., seems to be a valuable insight.

RW
RW
4 years ago

Loosely fits in here: Johnson has finally completely lost the plot. He’s drafting in the military in an attempt to triple-Pfizer every adult in the UK until the end of the month as he apparently believes he can halt community transmission of omicron by using a vaccine which was yesterday correctly reported to have 70% – 75% effectiveness against mild COVID. 75% effective means doesn’t work in one out of 4 cases. 70% effective roughly means doesn’t work in one out of 3 cases.

NB: Since yesterday, the professional COVID bullshitters at the Guardian have again swapped mild COVID for Sars-CoV2 infection here.

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Being effective against mild Covid doesn’t mean that it reduces transmission one jot. They do not have data of any quality to make these claims.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

That’s a different conversation. AFAIK, it can’t be effective against mild COVID as that happens in the upper respiratory tract and (current) vaccination has no effect on this, IOW, this is a meaningless statistical correlation. But that’s sort-of besides the point here, as the really poor claimed effectiveness means this is a hopeless endeavour.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

The entire vaccine narrative is nonsense for a virus with a 99.97% survival rate & a 99.4% over 70s! The vast majority of vaccinated aren’t even vulnerable.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Will you (all of you) ever be capable of understanding that – in order to make headway in this discussion (at least) – we need to poke holes into the narrative of the other side instead of restarting and restarting and restarting first principles discussions and then restarting them once more?

These don’t work because nobody much cares about what appears to be people with a beancounting obsession arguing seriously obscure points of terminology contradicting everything that’s in the news.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Mock and parody the other side. Few people have a rational, scientific view of the world.

Be careful … the people who still think it’s deadly have a total sense of humour failure. Aim for people who are just going along with the rules, i.e. anything for a quiet life.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

NO, in actual fact you should stay on message, never stop highlighting 3 main points.

  • Fraudulent PCR!
  • Fraudulent asymptomatic transmission!
  • Fraudulent Vaccine!

Where has engaging in their narrative got you? When will you wake up to the Fact, they don’t care about Facts!

It’s politics, It’s always been about politics, it’s never been about science, science won’t save you, politicians are liars.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

And don’t forget about the most fraudulent, your posts here.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

LOL, i upvoted you out of pity.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

As someone pointed out earlier and i’ve always said from day one, people are dying of old age & there is no miracle vaccine to stop that.

We have known from early on the majority of people that have died with covid +test had co-morbidities, old age is a co-morbidity you can not vaccinate against old age!

People are dying of old age.

Despite what some like to believe, New vaccine kills ‘zombie’ cells that cause aging – study

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

My 96 year old uncle died 2 weeks after his 2nd jab, I wondered at the time what he was hoping for

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

It was so that he wouldn’t infect other people from his deathbed.

Shirlgirl
Shirlgirl
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

We’ve got a “friendly” vax on wheels arriving in the local sports centre car park later.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Its getting harder to feel anything but contempt for those still swept along with all of this, still talking about ‘the virus, the variants’, furlough did that for the majority, it might change now without it.

Shirlgirl
Shirlgirl
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Me too. I am supposed to be going out with a group of friends later who are still lapping it all up – think I might cancel. I need some new mates.

NickR
NickR
4 years ago

I’ve been looking at how the CFR in 2021 compares with the CFR in 2020.
I’m sure the received wisdom is that vaccines will have made the CFR much lower, after all in November 2020 there no vaccines. This year about 95% of over 65’s are double or treble jabbed.
The 2021 data I’ve used here only includes vaccinated people in terms of cases & deaths.

  1. I’ve taken the data from each the past 4 HSA vaccine surveillance reports.
  2. For 2021 I’ve used data for 60-79 year olds. I wanted to leave out over 80’s as they tend to skew the data and I wanted to be scrupulously fair.
  3. The 2020 data is for people over 65.

The interesting thing is that neither the levels of infection, death, or CFR are very different.
If vaccines were truly effective we should either expect to see far higher CFR in 2020 or far lower rates in 2021. We don’t.

121221 CFR deaths etc.jpg
JustMe
JustMe
4 years ago

The definition of what constitues a pandemic has changed. The jab wouldn’t normally be considered to be a ‘vaccine’. Too right that the big problem is definitions when definitions keep being changed.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  JustMe

I’m just waiting for them to define those who were vaxxed and died as being “less dead than those who were unvaxxed and died”. And then stating that the dead vaxxed need a booster shot, to maintain their superior status.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

And if they don’t get their shot they’ll be classed as death hesitant?

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko said anyone that willfully vilified and obstructed access to hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin in the prevention and treatment of Covid-19 is guilty of first degree capital murder, genocide, and crimes against humanity. They are trying to jab as many people as possible so that their great reset aka depopulation plan work. I believe in God & Jesus. If I get sick I will take my Ivermectin that I stashed just in case and leave rest to God. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

There’s also the very odd result found in Scotland where there are far fewer deaths from all-causes in the 28 days following vaccination than you’d expect in the general population.

Of course, most people don’t just die suddenly, even though that’s what you see on TV. The majority of deaths are slow and there’s an understanding of what is relentlessly coming, both from the individuals concerned and from their medics.

Thus, looking at the Scotland post-vaccination deaths data, as well as other data such as the UKHSA all-cause deaths by vaccination status, it is clear that they simply didn’t vaccinate those close to death (ie, sparing them from the potentially nasty side effects). This effect explains the majority of the deaths in the immediate post-vaccination period (when the vaccine efficiencies were first estimated for the general population), whether ‘with covid’ or from any other cause. We are still at the tail-end of this effect, with a ‘residual protection from hospitalisation/death’ indicated for the vaccines.

As there are always a new set of ‘those close to death anyway’ being created, I would imagine that we’ll see the same effect now with the boosters — those not boosted will appear to… Read more »

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

All very true.

What has saddened me throughout all this is how little legitimate science has been put in place to determine what works and what doesn’t.

We should know definitively now what the impact of masks are in schools is because we collected the data in large scale well designed and controlled experiments. Yet, despite the entire power of the state being available, nothing of the sort has happened.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

They did the ‘masks in schools’ study during autumn 2020. It showed that masks had no impact on infection levels. They decided to dump the study in the memory-hole.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

The most consistent data always indicated the ineffectiveness of the “vaccines”. Analysis of the early Israeli trial data threw up the absolute RR as being around 1%, as did data submitted in the US for ’emergency’ authorisation. Then, of course, the PHE data began to throw up uncomfortable detail, and basic observational comparison between 2020 and 2021 lent no support to the efficacy narrative.

Star
Star
4 years ago

Covid-19 used to be called Novel Coronavirus-Infected Pneumonia.
“Novel coronavirus” means the variant of the SARS virus called SARSCoV2.
Pneumonia means pneumonia.

It’s annoying when people who’ve got a cold say they’ve got “Covid”. It doesn’t matter whether they’ve tested positive for SARSCoV2 or not – if they have only got a cold, then they haven’t got Covid. You need to have pneumonia to have Covid. (They’re unlikely to have flu either, unless their symptoms are those of a very bad cold and they’re in bed most of the time for at least 5 days.)

As for “asymptomatic Covid”, there is no such thing.

zners
zners
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

lie of the century that that one. It’s one of the key lies they had to push through to make all this believable. CDC themselves once said that it is highly unlikely anyone could spread the virus asymptomatically. Then they decided to re-write science

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