At the end of August, a study was published showing that natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. It was described by UCL’s Francois Balloux as “a bit of a bombshell”.
Subsequent studies have compared natural and vaccine-induced immunity at the cellular level. One found that infection-induced antibodies “exhibited superior stability and cross-variant neutralisation breadth” than vaccine-induced antibodies, suggesting that people who’d already been infected had better immunity against the then-novel Delta variant.
However, as I noted in my write-up of the “bombshell” study, its findings still needed to be replicated. After all, certain datasets or methods of analysis can sometimes yield quirky results, which don’t survive independent empirical tests.
Encouragingly, the findings now have been replicated – by another team of Israeli researchers, using a different dataset.
In the latest study, Yair Goldberg and colleagues tracked all the individuals in their dataset (of people in Israel) who had tested positive or received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine before 1st July, 2021. They then compared the number of infections in previously infected versus vaccinated individuals from August to September of 2021.
The researchers also examined the number of infections among those with so-called ‘hybrid immunity’ – i.e., previously infected individuals who got vaccinated.
For each of the three groups, they counted the number of infections and the number of days ‘at risk’ (i.e., the total number of people multiplied by the number of days on which they were ‘at risk’ of becoming infected). Adjustments were made for age, sex, ethnicity, calendar week and a measure of risk exposure.
Results are shown in the chart below. Each bar corresponds to the infection rate per 100,000 ‘risk days’. The reason the researchers used ‘risk days’, rather than just ‘people’, is that the composition of each group changed over time. For example, some previously infected people chose to get vaccinated.
Notice that the labels for the horizontal bars are not the same for each group. Since we want to compare apples with apples, look at the bars labelled “Recovered 6–8 months” and “Vaccinated 6–8 months”.
This comparison shows that, 6–8 months after the corresponding event, infection rates were more than six times higher among vaccinated individuals – 89 per 100,000 versus only 14 per 100,000 among previously infected individuals.
The chart also shows that infection rates were lower still among those with hybrid immunity, which is consistent with what the earlier study found. However, the difference between the hybrid group and the recovered group was relatively small. For example, infection rates at 6–8 months were only 20% higher in the recovered group.
Goldberg and colleagues’ study confirms that natural immunity does wane, though much more slowly than vaccine-induced immunity. Anyone claiming the contrary now has to contend with not one, but two, high quality studies.
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Natural immunity doesn’t make money.
“At the end of August, a study was published showing that natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. It was described by UCL’s Francois Balloux as a bit of a bombshell”.
Against an unsequenced unisolated suspected upper repiratory virus that (if it exists) doesn’t do much harm to over 95% of the population… and doesn’t do permanent damage to over 99% of (probably already immune) population?
Jeez you couldn’t make this up!
Well, who would’ve thought that natural immunity honed and “tested” over tens of thousands of years was better than some man-made concoction thrown together in record time and still being tested (and failing)?
It’s not what Mr Mr Pfizer tells me but then he is a very rich man so must be right.
Now that the mRNA vaccinated are no longer human and don’t have any human rights (see below) it does seem rather pointless to offer my free salt water cure – but hopefully there are still a few humans who have held out against vaccines – so to you I offer this get out of vaccines free card:
Covid Crusher: Mix one heaped teaspoon of Iodine table salt in a mug of warm clean water, cup a hand and sniff or snort the entire mugful up your nose, spitting out anything which comes down into your mouth. If sore, then you have a virus, so continue morning noon and night, or more often if you want, until the soreness goes away (2-3 minutes) then blow out your nose and flush away, washing your hands afterwards, until when you do my simple cure, you don’t have any soreness at all, when you flush – job done. Also swallow a couple of mouthfuls of salt water and if you have burning in your lungs, salt killing virus and pneumonia there too.
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mRNA vaccinated people worldwide are products, patented goods, according to US law, “no longer human”.
° Esme Coetzee 10 Dec 2021 at 4:55 PM #63403
GMO HUMANS https://ambassadorlove.wordpress.com/2021/12/08/covid-19-patent-horrors/
All the Covid-19 “vaccine” patents mention gene deletion. All the patents except one, mention “complimentary DNA” (cDNA). cDNA is a chimeric mRNA cocktail that’s being coded into Human cells using artificial genetic sequences in cross-species genomics.
According to the US Supreme Court ruling in 2013, altering Humans with cDNA makes them patent eligible. The court documents show that cDNA is made using modified bacterium and Supreme Court judges ruled it patent eligible. This means that a plant, animal or Human, could be patented and owned if first genetically modified with cDNA.
Mark Steele summarized it perfectly by stating:
In the US, the Supreme Court has ruled that vaccinated people worldwide are products, patented goods, according to US law, no longer human. Through a modified DNA or RNA vaccination, “the mRNA vaccination”, the person ceases to be human and becomes the OWNER of the holder of the modified GEN vaccination patent, because they have their own genome and are no longer “human” (without natural people), but “trans-human”, so a category that does not exist… Read more »
Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
The terminology used here is confusing. A person has natural immunity to virus-caused illness even without having been infected by the virus. They won’t have specific antibodies, but they will still have an immune system and it has a first line of defence that works before specific antibodies are called out. Things such as iron, vitamins A, B12, C, D, and E, physical exercise, a vegetarian diet, and so on, strengthen this first line of your defences.
It has been clear for a while now that for the vast majority of the population it is safer to get a SARSCoV2 infection than to be “vaccinated”.
This is true for almost everyone, but it is especially true for children. That “vaccines” are being injected into children tells you what this mass “vaccination” campaign is really about, if you didn’t already know.
UK
Table shows the percentage of people (adults and children) with either no dose or no second dose of a Covid-19 injection in each of the four nations
30% of the population (adults and children) has either not received any dose or no second dose of a Covid-19 injection.
Almost 4.6 million people have received a first dose but have not yet received a second dose and almost 16 million have received no dose at all.
A total of 1,822 deaths now reported by the MHRA along with over 1.3 million injuries suffered by almost 400,000 people (an average of 3.3 injuries per person) following the experimental Covid-19 injections
Link to Population estimates: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/mid2019estimates
16 million is a fantastic number and the reason why the plandemic pushers are shitting bricks.
Ages of study participants?
Statistics, statistics & more lies.
Not surprising, but by no means an argument against vaccines.
How many will be to many for you?
FFS. This can’t be right.
Delete via fact check – just in case the MSM get hold of it.
Sorry, just realised they’ve been on board since the beginning.
No worries there then.
Pandemic Logic
Despite our best efforts millions of people got infected anyway but rather than accept people gained immunity in the process it’s better to just ignore it ever happened and force everyone to get vaccinated regardless.
As someone else put it: A remarkable number of the Covid zealots are also climate nuts. They’re morbidly afraid of nature. Why would they trust it with their lifes! It’s not an expert in anything.
The only immunity provided by the Covid jabs is to the makers.
Without natural immunity to a whole host of viruses and bacteria, there would be no homo sapiens.
Beardy block on a sodding bicycle. When did we get to be SO utterly DUMB?
As to PCR, have a read. Have we been invaded here or have some of you turned into Sheeples?
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/12/pcr-test-for-coronavirus-questioned-by-prominent-scientists/
I find it amazing that the rhetoric has even wormed its way into Daily Sceptics. FFS, how did humans survive the primordial soup, living in caves, living in mud in the middle ages? How do people in the deserts and the rain forests survive without Fauci’s murder weapons? FFS people, I thought this was the last bastion of sanity not stupidity.
I’m happy to say that I enjoy natural immunity against a make-believe pathogen.
I don’t doubt that natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity at preventing infection. However,
Who is to say that non symptomatic infection of the naturally immune with variants is less frequent? We may well be getting our immune responses fairly painlessly topped up every six months. Certainly feels that way to me.
I have had confirmed covid mildly
I have also been with numerous people since who have had covid
I am being continually topped up against covid and everything else I take in every breath
Who is to say that non symptomatic infection of the naturally immune with variants is less frequent?
I was assuming natural immunity against infection (including non-symptomatic infection) lasts longer than vaccination immunity and therefore you would need topping up less frequently. Do you disagree? Anyhow, it makes little difference to my argument.
frequent top-ups by being exposed to covid will be far superior and far safer
Me too. That’s because immunity never prevents infection, especially not if infection is defined as RNA fragments can be detected by PCR amplifiction. Coincidentally, I also don’t believe that umbrellas prevent rain, sun glasses sun, that having a lawn mower in a shed will cause grass to stop growing or that the future must become what sages can predict.
I fear I’m probably an infidel :-).
Blimey, you’ll be telling us that masks don’t work next!
99.97% survival rate!
What sort of immune cells are you talking about? Antibodies fade after time, because there’s no point in having antibodies to a disease that you don’t have. B cells can only produce antibodies when messenger T cells instruct them to. Memory T cells and memory B cells are the immune system memory.
If you have five tetanus vaccinations then you’re covered for life, but if you test for tetanus antibodies then you’re unlikely to find any. If you’re exposed to tetanus your T cells will respond.
If you examine the immune system of different people who are strangers you will find they are different, the immune system is also driven by genetics. If everyone was to be immune to every disease there would be a large amount of the immune cells that would never need to be used. Read “The Compatibility Gene” and “The Beautiful cure” by Daniel M Davis Professor of Immunology at Manchester university.
That’s all good stuff but I don’t see its relevance. The fact is that immunity against infection does fade for both vaccines and natural immunity – that is what those charts above show. Possibly with repeated infection/vaccination your immune memory may lead some kind of permanent immunity and that would be great – but it applies equally to natural immunity or, as you point out in the case of tetanus, vaccine immunity.
The tetanus vaccine works because it is an attenuated virus, and it causes T cell memory, no antibodies are needed.
The measles virus remains in your body and there are detectable antibodies, I still had detectable antibodies 40 years after I had the measles.
The mRNA vaccines also produce a T-cell response.
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2021/august/penn-study-details-robust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines
Your t/b-cells will remember and be ready to fight a virus. We KNOW that T-cell immunity lasts at least 18 years. Your so-called vaccines last how long? Oh, 3 to 5 months! That’s pathetic.
Vaccines provide T-cell immunity (in addition to antibodies) .
I am wriggling in anticipation of your “fact checking” this – as a scientist of course..
Whilst you were distracted by a Christmas Party the UK Gov. released a report confirming the Fully Vaccinated account for 4 in every 5 Covid-19 Deaths in England since August – The Expose
Totally fails to stratify for age (among other things). The unvaccinated are on the whole young and much less likely to die of Covid.
Doesn’t stratify for inside leg measurement either – you must not be willing to grasp “if it quacks its a duck”.
I would love to see you and your ilk explain to a family who have lost a loved one after accepting a toxic drug into their arm, that because of the lack of an age stratified data set , the “cell/gene editing therapy” was not to blame.
You and you ilk are truly the most egregiously one eyed sycophants for the most pernicious regime inflicted on innocent trusting people – you can highlight the most insignificant detail you wish, and keep doing it, but at some point I hope you realise the extent of the damage done to the most vulnerable people “in your name” – it horrifies me; if I adopted your sleight of hand approach I could never live with myself ….the bottom lines are this is not a pandemic, >99% will survive it , but the “treatment” is going to kill many many tens of thousands and the knock on effects will be felt for generations.
So if you are happy to espouse this continuing charade, good luck with sleeping well.
These studies mean nothing to those who are driving the terms of engagement in Great Britain. Those terms are political, based upon what the drivers see as the privileges given them by a self-evidently valid and honorable Culture.
I now think it’s all about class warfare – after a fashion – with the upper classes urinating on the hoi polloi.
A century ago, Victorian morality was strictly middle-class. The nobility would have none of it. Over the past 70 years, the practical definition of “nobility” in GB has begun changing. Science has become a Miltonian Leviathan, and like Winston Churchill’s parents, it doesn’t feel itself bound by the masses’ ideas of what’s proper.
(The North American Colonies never had a nobility, which led to a major difference on this side of the pond. Here, it’s still extremely political, but those politics are local and bare-knuckled. Ignore what’s going on inside the Beltway. That’s theatre.)
IMHO, Europe has succumbed to a “Frankfurt School” style of intellectualism, but it’s not “Marxist”. It goes back to Continental elements in the Enlightenment, but it’s matured past the juvenile masturbations of J-J Rousseau.
It’s what I call, the religion of The Idea. See Søren Kierkegaard,… Read more »
Unbelievable how DM is ramping it all up now, how can they tell who is getting the ‘omicrom’ variant?
presumably Neil Ferguson has a look at his
crystal ballsorry, computer generated modelHe can’t get the floppy discs for his Atari any more so he’s having to use guesswork.
Well doesn’t Brownstone Institute have a collection of studies demonstrating the same, which they are always adding to and is over 100 articles now? So I’m not sure how this can be described as a “bombshell” when I’ve personally read loads of studies now demonstrating the superiority of naturally acquired immunity. Science didn’t exactly stand still from March 2020 until now. It’s certainly good to keep them coming though, but like the study of lockdowns being ineffective and harmful, how many more times must we reinvent the wheel? None of this matters to the governments and their cronies anyway. We know by now they are obsessive science-deniers. Mere facts and data just get ignored and in the way of their agenda and make bugger all difference apparently because nobody challenges them. Politics trump science in New Normal Land evidently. 🙁
The plan is to murder us
However, the difference between the hybrid group and the recovered group was relatively small. For example, infection rates at 6–8 months were only 20% higher in the recovered group.
I think this needs clarification, as the hybrid group at 6-8 months is itself split into two categories:
(1) Recovered then Vaxxed [infection rate 12 per 100,000]*
(2) Vaxxed then Recovered [infection rate 17 per 100,000]*
And for comparison the Recovered infection rate at 6-8 months is 14 per 100,000.
(*) It is probably worth cross referencing with the category definition details from the survey itself to avoid confusion:
Recovered: Previously infected individuals 90 or more days after confirmed infection who had never been vaccinated.
Recovered then Vaccinated: Previously infected individuals who later were 7 or more days after receiving a single vaccine dose.
Vaccinated then Recovered: Individuals who had been vaccinated with one or two doses and were later infected.
Vaccinated: Individuals seven days or more after receiving the second dose, and who had not been infected before the start of the study period.
Booster: Individuals who received a third (booster) dose 12 or more days previously and had not been infected before the start of the study period.
These cohorts were divided into… Read more »
Very good. Thank you.
To be fair a bag of crisps offers greater immunity than these non vaccines, they are a failure
‘Covid’ or any of their ‘variants’ has failed to lower the average age of death.
Who knew?
Well me for one
However to take advantage of natural immunity you have to get the disease a second time.
Yet the first time might kill you.
Vaccines do help reduce the severity of the first infection. That’s the one concrete fact from this whole farce.
However Boris sitting there taking a vaccine is just theatre. He already has better protection from his near death experience.
Nature gave us a way to make infections less dangerous. They are called antibodies.
Our Killer TJ-cells are fascinating. Our very own storm troopers that are 24/7 on the hunt for alien invaders in our bodies. And when they find them, they immediately toss grenades at them and destroy them.
But Killer T-cells don’t make millions of dollars for Big Pharma.
Take a look at this short video. It will gladden your heart to see what is swimming around inside you, all the time hunting and pouncing on and destroying whatever viruses or bacteria that may be bold enough to trespass on their territory.
Fact: After the second shot of “vaccine” in some people, their Killer T-cells were 90% destroyed.
Here’s a link to a US doctor that shows the “vaccines” destroying people’s Killer T-cells.
By the way, eat a couple of cloves of raw garlic with one of your meals each day. If your lady doesn’t like the smell of garlic on your breath, assert your male dominance. Make her also eat two or three cloves daily.
Garlic is a luxury food-treat for you Killer T-cells. Reward them for all the work… Read more »
My missus reacts badly to garlic in all forms and I think it makes food taste as if it’s gone off! So thanks for your advice but no thanks!
Vaccines for a while help reduce severity…. even then only after the first 14 days.
Near death is a bit over dramatic in his case, but what was revealed was his weight etc, and no doubt his lifestyle is a bit dodgy health wise (goes with the job, a cynic might say). If he was in a better physical condition to start with, he might have been on the correct side, after all, if he realised that for most of us the bug isn’t all that bad.
….and VAERS/Yellow card reports confirm the concrete fact that death has resulted from just one jab.
Cell and gene editing therapies, which involve unproven reverse transcription messenger RNA drugs, have been proven to be so lethal that such and other adverse effects dwarf the entire ledger of similar effects from the trials of experimental and other drugs in the US for ~ 30 years ( as testified by Dr Ryan Cole , publicly available, more than once ).
Pete McCullough has also stated that in his experience from being on the oversight Committees of 18 experimental drug trials to date, some of those involved deaths (and other non lethal adverse effects) involving as low as ~150, he even mentioned 5, people that the drugs involved never were allowed to “go to market” – deemed far to dangerous to humans.
There are may other “concrete facts” about this chimeric virus and related “issues” as I am certain you know – especially the damage these jabs have done and continue to do to the major organs and immune systems of many many many people ; and with respect it is not a farce – it is an unprecedented existential threat the… Read more »
By my count, he’s had four jabs, two boosters, and at least two bouts of covid.
Perhaps they should find a way of making prior infection less dangerous.
Oh wait. that’s what vaccines do. About 10x less dangerous.
So from about 0.1 IFR to 0.01 IFR? Does not seem to panning out that way unless you have data you can share that suggests otherwise?
I observed checkthefacts on another forum, him/her is just an absolute brainless idiot. It get’s off on being responded to.
Depends who you are, doesn’t it? the vaccines as per the EMA safety briefings on their website kill approximately 1 in 30,000. Which is likely a considerable underestimate. It could be as high as 1 in 3,000 quite easily.
COVID doesn’t kill 1 in 30,000 young healthy BMI normal people.
And there is a good reason for this. In healthy people, the immune system will see off the virus before it gets into the small capillaries deep in the lung, and replicates systemically, causing endothelial damage. The vaccines bypass your defences though and go straight into your bloodstream (yes I know it’s supposed to be an intramuscular injection, but it doesn’t all stay there, and some unlucky souls get it injected directly into the blood stream thanks to poor technique).
Recommend you clock – if not already done so, Dr Richard Fleming’s video of his study into the effect on red blood cells of all the EUA drugs…
Dr Richard Fleming -Medical Bombshell Pfizer Vax Attacks Human Blood Creating Clots Under Microscope
I am not a scientist so cannot judge this as a “peer” – but it is as scary as others ” fact checking” this video stating that there is no publicly available data that the “vaccine” attacks the blood in the way he describes.
I think Messrs Cole, McCullough and their peers would refute that in a clot affected heartbeat.
They’ll have to start adding another number box next to the goal score and label it ‘points of contact’ or something. Every time players make contact during the match the counter goes up until it reaches a ‘high risk of transmission’ ceiling determined by some ‘expert’ and the match is either cancelled or all the players have to be taken off the pitch in plastic isolation bubbles.
If you take a close look at today’s Boris Johnson, you’ll see that he is probably too psychologically unbalanced to understand or care about a study by Yair Goldberg into natural immunity.
Back at the start of the Covid-19 (manufactured) alarm, Johnson stated with confidence that herd immunity would be the way his government would go. A short time later he changed his tune, and then implemented economic and societal destroying policies. I’d bet it was around this time that Boris got his first inkling that he was Prime Minister in name only.
Johnson made a series of alarming and bizarre comments at a Global Investment Summit in London whilst speaking alongside gene-serum pusher extraordinaire Bill Gates.
Here are the peculiar comments as uttered by Johnson: “We must propitiate … Aeolus … Sacrifice a goat or something”.
Propitiate? This is a formal verb which is usually used to describe someone that tries to keep, win or regain the favour of a spirit by doing something that pleases it – usually by offering up a sacrifice to this spirit.
If you were to search for how to use propitiate in a sentence, this is a common example that comes up: “The… Read more »