How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?

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I’ve written a comment piece for Mail+ about Sajid Javid’s decision to insist that all care home workers get vaccinated this week and all NHS staff by April of next year. It takes the form of a response to Matt Hancock’s op ed in the Telegraph. Here is an extract:

This week, former health secretary Matt Hancock wrote a newspaper article in which he said the logic for insisting NHS staff get vaccinated or face the sack was “crystal clear”.

He added: “There is no respectable argument left to keep this tool in the locker.”

But, oddly, he didn’t even consider the arguments against this draconian measure, let alone rebut them.

For instance, he doesn’t deal with the most obvious objection, namely that people who’ve been double jabbed can still catch COVID-19 and infect others. Indeed, according to raw data published by the Health Security Agency – the successor to Public Health England – rates of infection among the vaccinated are higher than they are for the unvaccinated.

Hancock could have challenged this data, as many have, by arguing that the vaccinated are more likely to be tested than the unvaccinated, making it difficult to compare the two. Instead, his entire argument rested on the premise that doctors and nurses who’ve been vaccinated cannot infect their patients. He could have argued that having the vaccine makes it less likely an infected person will pass the virus on, for which there’s some evidence, but he didn’t.

Then there’s the fact that those NHS workers who are currently unvaccinated may have had the virus and recovered. According to the BMJ, there is mounting evidence that natural immunity provides you with at least as much protection as being double jabbed.

If your priority is to protect patients, as Hancock claims, the logic of sacking the unvaccinated who’ve recovered from Covid, but continuing to employ the vaccinated who’ve never had it, is far from “crystal clear”.

Then there’s the moral argument. Hancock was effusive in his praise of ‘our NHS’ throughout his time as health secretary, encouraging us to clap for these courageous carers at the height of the pandemic. How can it now be right to threaten these same ‘heroes’ with the sack?

Finally, there’s the staffing argument. As a former health secretary, Hancock should know the NHS is chronically understaffed and the situation is getting worse. According to data published by NHS Digital, there were 93,806 full-time equivalent vacancies across the health service in England at the end of June.

Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?

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Inkwell9
Inkwell9
4 years ago

If the NHS organisers, that is from the top to the bottom, (I do not consider from my experience and knowledge, a single manager knows how to manage a bag of sweets divided by two, therefore do not deserve the title manager,) decided that the true total number of nurses currently employed and titled nurses, many are in fact no longer nurses. Large numbers are no more than pen pushers now. They have not worked as nurses on a ward for years (some of them), and during the pandemic were not allowed to even work on a normal ward (not covid) as they were no longer qualified or capable. A member of my family is a senior sister nurse, who has not worked as a nurse for more than ten years. Why is she still titled, nurse? Remove these ‘psuedo-nurse titled people’ and the huge shortage of nurses on wards is suddenly evident and extreme. It is an archaic way of paying people by their nursing rank and not their position of employment. A sight-impaired person could see what is wrong with the entire NHS. Throwing good money after bad is not the answer without complete reform. And anyone who… Read more »

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

How convenient for The Grand Plan if this results in a lot more deaths of the useless elderly and sick and feeble? Because, no doubt, the Evil Ones have their own secure medical facilities, clinics, care homes, etc, and have no need to be concerned about those used by the dispensable hoi polloi.

Johnny Dollar
Johnny Dollar
4 years ago

Where are the Nurses & Doctors & thier Dance routine musical films in empty wards now!? They Conned the public, Used the NHS staff & now they can be thrown under the bus….? what a plan

marlowejames
marlowejames
4 years ago

My wife an A&E emergency nurse practitioner who incidentally is unjabbed made this point: Our medical training is based upon clinical need and informed consent and at a stroke this Govt is choosing to blackmail the NHS medical staff who have a far greater understanding of clinical need than the general public and clearly understand informed consent. To eradicate both these pivotal tenets of our training in order to force us to take a vaccine that by their own admission doesn’t actually work (otherwise why the boosters?) is repugnant and morally incomprehensible. What if the NHS in the same way refused to treat the unvaccinated citing the very reasons used as justification to coerce NHS/care staff? It begs the question what are they so worried about considering there is a near 90% take up and perhaps the answer is to eliminate any semblance of a “control group” of unvaccinated – v – vaccinated. If 100% are vaccinated any future problems cannot be blamed on the vaccines as there will be no means to compare the vaccinated with the unvaccinated.

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  marlowejames

This has been the wet dream of big pharma for decades.
Well said.

And now it’s all about this equation :-

Digital ID = control.

Nothing whatsoever to do with health.
The powers that be ain’t going to give up on their wet dream either.
Hold the Line.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago

Is it irony or just fucking stupidity that the deadline day for care home staff to be ‘vaccinated’ is chosen to be the day when the nation has a 2 minute silence to reflect on the real sacrifices made by our armed forces; in the pursuit of ensuring our liberty?

Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

And the deadline for NHS staff to potentially lose their jobs if they remain unjabbed is 1 April!

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

And the choice of April Fool’s day is doubly ironic. However, a real sceptic/cynic might suggest that they are just following the ‘hype graph’, attempting to shift the refuseniks onto the other side, while they still can.

Beefbeefbeef
Beefbeefbeef
4 years ago
Reply to  DevonBlueBoy

I do actually wonder if they are deliberately taking the piss by choosing 11 November.

SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
4 years ago

You might as well ask the opinion of a refuse management operative as take any notice of anything Hancock says. How is Hancock qualified to have an opinion on health matters, has he qualified as a doctor or biological scientist? I think the answer is no, and he was pretty useless and wrongly given the position of health secretary, as has been shown after he was sacked from that job. He should just shut up and let the government take advice from people who are properly equipped to give it. Unfortunately our government seem unable to appoint the right people to do this. As far as preventing the spread of disease in hospitals, the hospital environment should be improved to give adequate ventilation and separation between patients, but this would cost money and our current health secretary seems to prefer to sack a few front-line workers with a weak excuse. It seems he is no better than Hancock.

mojo
mojo
4 years ago

Never clapped, never will. The NHS needs breaking up. Those frontline staff who are well trained and stand by their oath to ‘do no harm’ need to create a smaller more efficient system that works for communities, not the government and their cronies. Until those trained medics realise they have been as abused as their patients I want nothing to do with the UK health care system

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Millions of people don’t understand how convoluted and bureaucratic the NHS actually is. Of course, it’s not the only large organisation that has a public face that is rather different compared with it’s internal structure.

Your choice of the term “UK health care system” is interesting, though, as there is such a system – which the NHS is only one part of. Loads of other, private ones, running in parallel with it – some medics actually split their time between them, which is unusual in normal private firms.

Sometimes, private places are on the same physical site as an NHS hospital, sometimes just round the corner. Some of them – notably dentists – do both jobs in the same room. I can remember shelling out more to the dentist to have a better choice of something, compared with the basic NHS options, e.g. Opticians are a bit like that also.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Some medics in other countries who tried to do this have had their licences revoked – just as they would for malpractice, only without a trial.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago

The Government is courting disaster when it treats NHS “heroes” as badly as it has historically treated genuine heroes in the Armed Services.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

400 replacement ‘nurses’ arriving every day. Thank you, France!

Shirespeed
Shirespeed
4 years ago

“There is no respectable argument left to keep this tool in the locker.”
Well apart from the fact that the injections don’t work, and efficacy falls below zero after 4-5 months, and we’ve almost reached the point where the injections are causing more problem than they solve, no. The only tool which needs keeping in the locker…

marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

A great title to this article. Thank you. Instead of disappearing from public life this man has the gall to have one more go at telling us how to manage the endemic. He just cannot shut the f up.

barrywinn
barrywinn
4 years ago

This country is being destroyed from within. But the thing that needs answering is what do the people orchestrating this expect to gain?

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  barrywinn

Power? Personal reward and security? Immunity?

Beefbeefbeef
Beefbeefbeef
4 years ago

Why is no-one taking legal action? The cynics may say the chances of success are doomed but there seems a pretty good prospect of victory based on vaccination not stopping transmission.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Beefbeefbeef

Where to find an unbiased court, though.

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

They test for the flu since they’ve never isolated Covid-19. Which makes me wonder how they can tell there is a delta variant. They never isolated the virus but they use a test to show the damage of a solution does on monkey kidney cells then show the cellular debris as proof of the virus. So, they can use this method to claim an UNENDING! amount of variants. A lot of cancers and “viruses” are probably just different forms of parasites. Since the tests can’t differentiate between cold and flu and covid then doesn’t that mean ivermectin cures both the cold and the flu? Welcome to “they’ve been lying to us our entire lives about everything”. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

Hugh_Manity
Hugh_Manity
4 years ago
Reply to  LonePatriot

I believe you are exactly correct. I have only recently come to the same conclusions quite recently after doing research. It seems that almost everything I was taught and believed, has been completely turned on it’s head. How deep does the rabbit hole go?

The “virus” is nothing more than a computer generated simulation. It’s a mirage, it’s fake; it is an illusion precisely because it never was nor never will be, truly isolated in the traditional scientific sense; The PCR test which is nothing more than a glorified photocopier, is programmed to look for the very same computer generated sequence. It does so of course, along with a lot of other living or dead gene sequences. You then need to factor in all other potential errors that will arise when using this test. The results are therefore meaningless. It was never designed for clinical diagnosis; No “virus” has ever been shown scientifically (again using the standard and accepted scientific method) to cause ANY disease. Voila! You now have the perfect method to terrorise and therefore subjugate the majority of the population in perpetuity. You can now impose the most totalitarian regime imaginable by simply manipulating the data and… Read more »

brachiopod
brachiopod
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc&t=54s

Shows that ivermectin is highly effective at blocking replication of the virus.

It can be taken as a prophylactic and it costs 5pence a dose.

Give this WHO ‘essential’ medicine to all care home and NHS staff and the problem has gone.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  brachiopod

But it’s not ”a problem” to the Evil Ones – it’s the Plan.

JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

There is a TikTok video made by a German teenager going viral today, which sums up the absurdity of vaxx mandates and the 2G access policy nicely, it goes like this:
“So, we have a vaxxed person who might still have Corona currently, he may go into the disco/care for grandma, we have a recovered person who might still have Corona currently, he may go into the disco/care for grandma, and we have an unvaxxed and negatively tested person, who therefore pretty surely won’t have Corona currently, and he may NOT go into the disco/care for grandma.
Can someone please explain this to me?!

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

They’ll learn about money when they grow up!

JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

Everything makes sense, once you understand that the real main goal is to reduce the average life expectancy of us plebs to around the age of 65, and turn us into productive but sick and very profitable junkies from the cradle to that age.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZZRCzK6BfaVW/

COVID JABS ARE PREMEDITATED FIRST DEGREE MURDER, SAYS DR. ZELENKO

Proveritate
Proveritate
4 years ago

Given this, how can it possibly make sense to start sacking NHS staff who refuse to get jabbed?

Make sense? None of this has ever made any sense if public health was the concern of the government. It isn’t, and these events only make sense when the destination is a very different one. Every single policy has inflicted overall harm on society deleterious to public health. Every one is another cull; death by a thousand cuts.

Of course, Johnson never had any qualms being treated by 100% unvaccinated staff when he was in hospital with the Covid.

But now the very same people who saved him can be ignominiously tossed onto the scrap heap because they won’t be cowed by the HM drug pushers and take an experimental drug that is not fit for purpose, causes definite mortal harm in some, and likely general harm in the long term.

Some thanks that is.

Unprincipled, two-faced wretches of leaders we have.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Proveritate

Make sense? Of course it does, if the plan is to cull us.

Encierro
Encierro
4 years ago

I was lead to believe that all the elderly, especially boarding in care homes, had been fully vaccinated.
Yet now they want the staff to also be vaccinated to protect* the same boarders that have already been “protected“*. Those boarders will soon receive a booster too.

robwallser
robwallser
4 years ago

One good lawyer ,one solid test case and its after dinner speaking for Johnson .Even the dumbest of British people do not like to see people kicked when they are down .You cant turn heroes into villains just because you want to

robwallser
robwallser
4 years ago

Go on then sack them all in the middle of a recruitment crisis I fucking dare you !!!

robwallser
robwallser
4 years ago

They were not heroes to start with that was a myth .They were women and blokes turning up for work often finding there was not much to do because the NHS had imploded due to its own paranoid hysteria I know …..i was one of the “bored” .As an excercise this was probably the most crass example of the nodding dog mentality of many citizens simply coipying someone else until it becomes a thing and here we are The NHS saved itself by doing bugger all for 6 months Just how many people do you think were in hospital with Covid just have a think a minute did you know anyone who wasnt 104

Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago

Discrimination in our history?
We know the outcome, it’s no mystery.
Divide society in parts,
That’s the way it always starts,
Just say that one side is unclean,
That has been the common theme,
From here the evil doesn’t halt,
They’ll say the deaths are all their fault,
Blame it on the other side,
That’s the way they will divide.
If we don’t speak for them today,
Soon these measures will come our way.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“Then there’s the moral argument”

The ethical argument is not an afterthought – it’s a primary issue for anyone who opposes fascism and doesn’t line up with Mengele et al.

Anyone wearing a poppy and, at the same time, supporting snake-oil coercion is a fraudulent disgrace. That poppy stands for, amongst other things, the moral principles established to say ‘Never Again’.

Only scum like the Mekon – self-seeking moral empty vessels – would deny that fact.

Mode RNA
Mode RNA
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The poppy also stands for my right to say you ought to read up on Mengele before throwing around just silly tropes in your weaponised language.

Here’s your free starter course :
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=37

Liberty
Liberty
4 years ago

When the churches were shut and our nation started worshipping the NHS a darkness descended over our land and a new world order was ushered in.

Mode RNA
Mode RNA
4 years ago
Reply to  Liberty

I’m not so sure that the nation does worship the NHS.

chris-ds
chris-ds
4 years ago

Their lies are catching up with them

Julian
Julian
4 years ago

“How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?”
Because not many people, least of all the evil liars in charge, ever cared about the carers. They were always just another pawn in the game.

mishmash
mishmash
4 years ago

The sheep clapped their pans because other sheep were clapping their pans, there was no free will involved.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago

‘Sense’ and ‘Wankok’ don’t belong in the same universe.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

‘How did we go from clapping our carers to sacking our carers?’
That’s easy to explain. The clapping part was important propaganda, it helped convince the plebs that there really was a crisis and that the NHS was on the edge when in reality the hospitals were very quiet.
Once that had served its purpose it was time to move on with forcing the vaccines on people with a view to imposing the vaccine passports as the long term means of control.

My view is that the care homes are being intentionally stripped of unvaccinaed staff so as to cause a knock on crisis in the hospitals, fat b@astard Boris will claim this crisis is due to covid and impose the vax passports with that as his excuse.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

In a nutshell.

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