Back in October of 2020, the John Snow Memorandum was published as a letter in the Lancet. Originally co-signed by 31 scientists, hundreds of others have since added their names.
Although it does not explicitly name the Great Barrington Declaration, the Memorandum is widely understood as a response to that document. It refers to “a so-called herd immunity approach”, which proponents claim “would lead to the development of infection-acquired population immunity in the low-risk population”.
However, the Memorandum states: “This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.” And it goes on to claim “there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection”.
According to the organisers’ website, more than 6,900 scientists, researchers and healthcare professionals have signed the Memorandum to date (including names from Oxford and Harvard). So almost 7,000 people with supposed expertise deemed it plausible that natural immunity would not provide any lasting protection against reinfection.
Incidentally, the language used in the Memorandum may be partly responsible for the Great Barrington Declaration being mischaracterised as a ‘herd immunity strategy’. As the authors have been at pains to point out, this is like describing a pilot’s plan to land a plane as a ‘gravity strategy’. (Their approach is more properly described as ‘focused protection’.)
It’s now one year on from the John Snow Memorandum. Is there any evidence for “lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection”? Yes, in fact, there is.
A recent systematic review (which has not yet been peer-reviewed) found that natural immunity confers a high degree of protection against reinfection. The researchers analysed 10 studies, and calculated a weight-average risk reduction of 90%.
But is this protection lasting? According to a new study published in Clinical Infectious Diseases, immunity persists for at least 12 months in the vast majority of convalescents (those who’ve previously been infected).
Chinese researchers carried out a “systematic antigen-specific immune evaluation” on 74 individuals, 12 months after their original infection. They found that “humoral immunity is present within ~95% of convalescents and T-cell memory against at least one viral antigen is measurable among ~90% of subjects at 12m post-infection”.
Note: ‘humoral immunity’ refers to the type of immune response mediated by antibodies, whereas ‘cellular immunity’ refers to the type mediated by T-cells (as well as phagocytes and cytokines).
Although the researchers also had data from 28 healthy controls (individuals who’d never been infected), their sample was not large enough to estimate the protective effect of natural immunity on reinfection. Though it’s worth noting that not a single participant reported reinfection.
A study published last year analysed data on ten healthy males over a period of three decades, to see how often reinfections with seasonal coronaviruses occurred. They found that the median reinfection occurred after 30 months, suggesting that protective immunity lasts for years, not decades.
If SARS-CoV-2 is anything like the four other coronaviruses, we can expect immunity against reinfection to wane on a similar timescale. However, this seems more than sufficient to achieve focused protection, in the sense of shielding the vulnerable through the initial epidemic, and allowing time for treatments and vaccines to be developed.
Lockdown proponents might respond that lockdown need only have lasted as long as it took to develop the vaccines. But this argument completely ignores the costs side of the ledger. Focused protection could have worked, if only we’d bothered to try it.
Stop Press: The Brownstone Institute has compiled a list of 29 studies showing that natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is “robust, long-lasting, and broadly effective”.
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Of course prolonged immunity following infection was always more likely than from the vaccines (which anyhow replicated only part of the virus) but unless they ignored natural immunity they could not ensure a sustained market for the vaccines: it is a fraud.
Immunity to COVID Is Still Present 12 Months After Infection – but only 12 seconds after vaccinations.
How to resist the child vaccinators By Kathy Gyngell
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-to-resist-the-child-vaccinators/
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They went beyond ignoring. They lied consistently. They lie consistently.
They are politicians.
What else do politicians do except lie to us?
Especially Tories, who do it with a smile.
Do memory T cells die? If so what is there half life? If you become reinfected are you ill? If you become reinfected then it is memory T cells that are important not antibodies. I think measles antibodies are long lasting as the measles virus remains in the body but cannot be reactivated.
All good questions that the Wellcome Trust, for example, would have carefully investigated had this ever actually been about a virus.
Why waste time on patent bullshit?
Immunity/susceptibility is complex. But why – suddenly – does this issue become subject to illogical scrutiny on the basis of one virus in millions that we live with that has been given the Hollywood super-bug treatment?
I think the answer is pretty obvious, and the injection of fear is the issue.
I wonder if it is in fact anything to do with much of the global economy being effectively bankrupt, as others have suggested?
Isn’t it trillions? Read somewhere that we had over 300 trillion viruses in us. Not sure whether that’s different viruses of viruses in total.
Won’t be different viruses, wouldn’t be hard to have 300 tr. total though
There is no natural immunity, but there is asymptomatic spread, were the two biggest lies.
I had Covid back in January 2020, and tested positive (twice) for antibodies last month.
… and antibodies are only part of the story.
Yes. I wonder if antibodies present after 18 months is evidence of a recent asymptomatic response building on t-cell immunity, rather than c19 antibodies lasting for 18 months.
Very good. I bet so.
That would be my bet based on our immune responses to the other HCoVs.
There’s also the fact the “antibody tests” sometimes test for different antibodies, have different thresholds and so on.
Id guess a 2nd exposure (or more) that was blasted before it got established enough to trigger the standard symptomatic phase.
The immune system is vastly complex but generally it switches over time from an active AB type response to a memorised-then-produce response over time.
Much as a Military force does. Good basic training and a firm strategy.
I’d certainly hope so. We don’t and can’t continually produce antibodies against every agent that we’ve ever encountered.
If we did we metamorphose into one giant antibody!
1950’s horror film anyone?
Well, for antibodies to do their job the host needs to be infected and this will just boost any immunity, so reinfection is good.
Just out of interest, how do you know you had Covid-19 in January 2020?
Yes, i had it last September and still test positive for antibodies
Do you mind saying how that was done? Quite a few of use, like me, may be in the same position, but many local GP outfits are just not interested.
I sent off for atest with Lloyds pharmacy online it was £50. Also did it for my 19year old just on the off chance. Massive amount of antibodies 4 x mine and he had had no symptoms at all!
I remeber an inteveiw on the Andrew Marr show back in January when I still watched BBC.
The interveiwee, Biontech COE Ugur Sahin, inventor of the Pfizer vaccine, stated that an immune response to the origional SARS virus of 2003 could still be detected 17 years later. If I find the clip I will post it.
That is true. Also occasional MERS infections are still being detected as the WHO were monitoring it until 2019. Don’t forget there is only one virus that has been totally removed from general circulation and that took 200 years.
“Don’t forget there is only one virus that has been totally removed from general circulation and that took 200 years”
I guess you’re referring to smallpox, and the only reason it could be removed from general circulation is that there were no animal reservoirs for it to circulate amongst, unlike influenza and coronaviruses which have lots of birds, monkeys and other animal hosts to carry and transmit them.
relative part starts at about 2.40 in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV3p-Bh3SoE
Correction, it was in November.
Research in Singapore – those recovered from Sars1 still immune after 17 years AND protected from Sars2, which from memory is only 80 per cent similar to Sars1.
Robust, long lasting immunity. Surely Noah knows this famous study?
Please do – i’d be interested to see that coming out of that particular horse’s mouth!!!
If you’ve had a cold, no matter how long ago, then you have the footprint of the Covidvirus family in your DNA, which records and remembers it to assist your immune system to treat it the next time something similar arrives.
Thus any ‘test’ will prove ‘positive’ if they ratchet up the PCR ‘test’ readings high enough.
Covid is a scamdemic run by a government intent on controlling us.
Aquired immunity is better than the vaccines but they don’t want anyone to know that.
I tested positive for several antibody types after my bout of covid, including antibodies that can be caused by vaccines as well as those you can only get by catching it. That’s a far broader potection than the vaccines which only target the spike protein.
If another variant comes along that changes the spike protein and makes the vaccines useless my immune system should be able to recognise and target other parts of the virus, making it less likely I could catch that variant.
Also I’ve never heard of any illness where if you’ve had it already that you have to be vaccinated too.
Its an information war SJR and like any cult dissenters have to be silenced…
This from Dr. Robert Malone:
“Physicians who speak out are being actively hunted via medical boards and the press. They are trying to deligitimize and pick us off one by one. This is not a conspiracy theory – this is a fact. Please wake up. This is happening globally.”
https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/key-architect-of-mrna-technology-argues-a-vaccine-only-strategy-wont-work
All as carefully explained last year by Dr Yeadon.
So fucking infuriating.
https://brownstone.org/articles/natural-immunity-and-covid-19-twenty-nine-scientific-studies-to-share-with-employers-health-officials-and-politicians/
simultaneous with clicking the brownstone link, my GSM operator informed me that they’d just blocked a malware attack at/from this dynamic wordpress website. However a deep scan with VirusTotal.com shows no intrinsic threat, and none on my second & third scans, & VT helpfully gave me all the links.
T’internet can be a bit infective & viral itself, from time-to-time
This is CENSORSHIP! The malware detected is the article itself – Misinformation.
Perhaps you could adjust your settings to access such dangerous or unsetting content??
Otherwise believe it all and get VAXED.
Why have so many scientists gone along with this? Some will have vested interests, but surely not all of them?
Is this the inevitable consequence of encouraging too many young people to attend university (whether they are suited to higher-level study or not)? I believe that this has led to a diminishment in academic standards (and not just in science subjects). It’s a disaster in the making.
Dr Heneghan and Dr Yeadon said colleagues and virologists etc were afraid to speak out. They work in institutions which could stop promotions, restrict grant work or even fire them. University scientific institutions are dependent on grants from the Wellcome Trust and Bill, so exert pressure downwards, and the NHS is under the control of the Uberlords.
It has been noticeable from the start that almost all scientists who speak out are retired or independently wealthy, or independent.
Science has been bought.
Those who take a stand, risking livelihood, mortgage, children’s school fees etc are very rare and extremely brave.
“Lockdown proponents might respond that lockdown need only have lasted as long as it took to develop the vaccines”
which we didn’t know when we locked down and was variously estimated at ‘years’
this is not a good argument for lockdown
It’s funny how this was considered an absolutely insane, fringe pro-lockdown position in say, June 2020; now, setting people free post-vaccination is considered an absolutely insane, fringe far-right, white nationalist, domestic terrorist position.
They’re 100% in charge of the Overton window.
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum—even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.” (Noam Chomsky).
How much longer can this non-immunity lie be sustained? This has gone well beyond rational behaviour now and we are either within the realms of dogmatic faith, gross incompetence or pure criminality.
Personally I’ll go with the reverse order as to the reasons why we live in this ‘Malice in Blunderland’ existence.
Ok, found the interview with Biontech COE Ugur Sahin on the Andrew Marr show. I find it quite interesting, however if you can’t bear to watch the BBC for more than a few minutes the relative part starts at about 2.40 in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV3p-Bh3SoE
Of course there isn’t, because the virus has only been around (supposedly) since November 2019 and it’s not possible to speed up time – unless you are involved in mRNA vaccine manufacture and clinical trials, of course.
But the clue that natural immunity would probably be long-lasting could be found in the evidence that people who survived the first SARS “epidemic” demonstrated a robust T cell response to the virus 17 years later, and SARS-COV2 is about 80% similar to the first SARS so you would expect immunity to this one to be similar.
Despite the very short time that SARS-COV-2 has been around there is also vanishingly little credible evidence of anyone being infected and symptomatic with SARS-COV-2 more than once.
“there is also vanishingly little credible evidence of anyone being infected and symptomatic with SARS-COV-2 more than once.”
… and, even if there were, an anomaly doesn’t make a case.
Early on an old lady died in Belgium having had it twice – the media failed to emphasise that she had a cancer of the immune system.
https://brownstone.org/articles/natural-immunity-and-covid-19-twenty-nine-scientific-studies-to-share-with-employers-health-officials-and-politicians/
Thank you for referencing this list of studies.
There was no evidence for lasting protective immunity from the clot-shots. There still isn’t. In fact, there’s now evidence for lasting natural immunity, versus sub-6-months clot-shot immunity that actually prevents you from developing better immunity.
And yet the Party Line hasn’t altered, and neither has it been challenged in the Lügenpresse bar a few quiet, isolated and quickly silenced dissenters.
That’s a funny way of Following the Science.
One confusing issue that no-one has brought up as far – as I know – is how Vaccines are meant to work. It has been my long understanding that they introduce the Natural Immune system to a pathogen so the said immune system has pre knowledge of the infective agent if it is ever in the position to defend against that threat. This implies that the natural immune system is up and running at good efficiency ie. Healthy. Now the narrative seems to be that the Sars-Cov-2 vaccine in fact works independent of the immune system and magically confers its own immunity. SORRY I cannot accept this!
If Pharma companies wish to develop effective and safe drugs & vaccines surely they should firstly concentrate on the natural systems the medications have to work in conjunction with, and ensure that the natural systems are as healthy as possible to begin with. This may not be as efficient in making huge profits in the short term, but in the long run it would prove very profitable by insuring a steady product line that is trusted and widely adopted. Why is short term profit so important ?????
Focussed protection could have worked, if only we’d bothered to try it.
Focussed protection sounds good but remember the situation in March last year. It was a new virus and very little was known about it. It was unclear how to treat it or how dangerous it was in practice. We had seen what happened in Italy with an exponential rise causing chaos in the health care system in one region. Whether you think it works in practice or not, a lockdown sounds like it should work. Keep people apart and how can the virus transmit? While it is not at all clear how focussed protection would work in practice. Vulnerable people are not all neatly stowed away in care homes. Many of them are highly involved with work and the community and live with the not so vulnerable.
“Whether you think it works in practice or not, a lockdown sounds like it should work.” Funny that internationally agreed pandemic planning consensus explicitly noted more or less all the lockdown, border closure and mask measures as useless and futile. Almost as if competent, honest people had checked, considered and looked into this properly and come to a sensible conclusion on the subject. A conclusion that was then thrown out, suddenly. Would you characterise the novel approach to dealing with respiratory viruses as a success?
It has been fascinating to see the effect of focused propaganda in sidelining the accepted, considered work on pandemic management being blithely thrown out of the window … for a non-pandemic (as defined by earlier descriptions that emphasized mortality as an additional measure).
It’s truly tragic how the 77th have to scrape the barrel with its current Skeptic lurking candidates isn’t it?
SARS-CoV-2 was never new or novel M-to-F simply a GoF futzed virus decades in the making. Kindly eugenicist Uncle Bill had been warning “us” about it for years before its final release, so no conspiracy there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CknlnoDxtFI&ab_channel=GatesFoundation
Don’t you just love his cheeky nerdish smirks!
And Fauci and Dr Peter Peter Daszak’s paw prints are all over SAR Cov2, and both received considerable funding via the B&MGF, as did Imperial College London and if you’re wondering why this all seems so coordinated? It’s because we are experiencing the lockstep consequences of decades of WEF/G7/UN/RESET planning. There is a legal term for this – racketeering and corruption.
And here we are in the UK, just weeks away now from Dec 2021 when the mandated vaxx passports and bio-security apps get pumped officially in.
Time is quickly running out folks. Here’s what’s coming sold with smiling compliant jabberoid faces!
https://twitter.com/DJJASONJOY1/status/1447494650223280128?s=20
The area in Northern Italy suffers a health crisis every winter due to having the worst air quality in Europe.
Headlines from Italian newspapers show the same crisis every year. 2020 was no different.
Italy went a bit cray cray with the ventilators though didn’t they.
The thing about lockdown is that it was just a show – 1/3 of the UK workforce were keyworkers so they carried on. If there was an actual pandemic then you’d know! People wouldn’t be at work stacking shelves, eating out to help out – but not a scotch egg, wearing dirty face nappies rather than actual PPE, exercising for 60 mins etc. It will be martial law and survival of the fittest, and we would fight over vaccines not have to be bribed to take them!
Not a new virus and lots was known about it, or its very close relatives. As an Airline Pilot for over 40 years I know you don’t throw away established procedures if something happens which isn’t quite in the book. Even Sully used his past experience and knowledge to deal with what faced him.
What had happened in Italy was that the government frantically tried to contain the virus with seriously heavy-handed measures which caused the virus to spread all over Italy quickly as people fled away from the supposed containment regions. That should have served as early warning that the effect of lockdowns is somewhere between useless and counterproductive.
That was before everybody and his dog with some chip on his shoulder jumped on the Corona-bandwagon to avoid letting this chances to get his/ her pet policies finally implemented pass. That’s how we ended up with curfews, mask mandates and an all-out onslaught on anything even remotely related to education, hospitality or entertainment.
“It was a new virus and very little was known about it”
So where did it come from? Outer Space? Dr Strangelove? Its a Corona type virus, been around for aeons, so we’ve some innate protection. Remember the Smallpox and how the first experimental medical treatment by Dr Jenner came about? It had been common knowledge that milk Maids rarely suffered from Smallpox and had the benefit of a “Fair Complexion”. Dr Jenner saw that the milk Maids did get Cowpox, a fairly mild infection affecting the hands & arms, he thus experimented with inoculating pus from lesions on the cow’s udder to see if Smallpox infection would be suppressed, it did and the rest is history – and the term Vaccination was born. SO WAS THE CONCEPT OF CROSS IMMUNITY – or it should have been noticed.
People have immunity from SARS 18 years later.
One woman had natural immunity to the Spanish Flu 80 years later.
“NHS staff face rising tide of abuse from patients provoked by long waits” I wont be immune from these morons though the clapping half wits from twelve months ago, remember ?
I completely back the governments goal of maximum immunity. The problem has been it’s fixation on vaccines to accomplish it. Those under 30 are far better to be infected naturally than to have 2 £30+ shots. Our children especially do not need vaccines. Getting sick is to their longterm benefit. But we have lost sight of the goal: maximum immunity for the longest time. And all the while Pfizer just listens to the cash register ring.
Which is why useless vaccine passports will always be threatened. Not, I add, immunity passports. Doing lab tests is far cheaper than Pfizer jabs, and people should be able to check their immunity via them if we inanely for down the passport ramp. And those of us who had both of our jabs by mid-May will soon be “suggested” to get boosters. Well, I’ve had Covid, had my two shots, am as healthy a 51 year old as you can find. I won’t do another jab. Test my blood Boris and Co! If the goal is immunity, check. If it’s vaccine spending, I’m afraid I can skip the pub, theatre, or whatever.
My dear chap “Would That It Were So Simple … ”
You’ll be skipping more than the pub, theatre, or whatever. It will be supermarkets, public transport, longer-distance travelling, NHS treatments, licensing/certifications…. etc. etc. If you need to interface with the govt in anyway at all…. oh dear? Especially so if at any future point you opt out of the bio-health-jab mandated green-pass updates.
The PLAN is to totally lock out the unvaxxd and un-smartphoned-app’d from the rest of the “functioning” society.
Hence the 5G network… for 24/7 surveillance – all for the GREATER RESET GOOD
“However, the Memorandum states: “This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.” And it goes on to claim “there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection”.”
They chose not to highlight their own more dangerous fallacies unsupported by scientific evidence, since there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following unnatural gene therapy ‘vaccination’, and plenty of evidence against such a notion.
The study that has NEVER been done: Those who suspect they had COVID before March 2020 ….
World-wide, millions of people suspect that had COVID prior to mid-February 2020. This cohort consists of people who became sick in the months November 2019 – February 2020 and who developed symptoms often identical to the signature COVID symptoms.
There was of course no way to test these people via a PCR test at the time they were ill. However, many of these people were sick enough to visit a doctor and did receive an influenza test. (At least some of these people were admitted to the hospital as well, providing even more medical tests that could be retroactively examined).
Proposed study:
Among those who were sick with COVID symptoms and who also received a NEGATIVE flu test (ruling out the flu as the cause of their illness), researchers would seek to learn how many people in this study group subsequently tested positive for COVID via a PCR test.
Researchers could identify subjects who did and who did not receive a positive PCR tests between March 1, 2020 and March 1, 2021 – the first official year of the pandemic (when nobody – or almost nobody – had been vaccinated yet).
It should be easy to identify and recruit at least 5,000 people who suspect they had COVD in the defined “pre-pandemic” months and whether or not they later tested positive via a PCR test.
Also, for a control group, identify 5,000 people who never were ill between November 2019 and mid-February 2020.
Purpose of study:
Determine the subsequent COVID positivity rate of the studied group and compare this figure the positivity rate of the general population.
Hypothesis – what study is testing:
Is the percentage of PCR-positive cases in the studied cohort (those who suspect they had COVID) the same as the general population or control group?
If the difference in this number/percentage is statistically significant (read: much lower), this finding might present strong evidence that these individuals had acquired natural immunity. That is, that they did have COVID when they think they had it.
For example, we know that approximately 11 percent of the population had tested positive for COVID via a PCR test by March 2021. If, say, only 4 percent of the studied group subsequently tested positive for COVID (instead of the expected 11 percent), this disparity would no doubt qualify as “statistically significant” and thus need to be explained.
Hypothetical results among cohort of 1,000 people.
N = 1,000 – Group who believes they might have had COVID.
N = 40 – later did test positive for COVID (4 percent positivity rate)
N = 1,000 control group (Those not ill with COVID symptoms between November 2019 and mid-February 2020).
N = 110 – Later tested positive for COVID via a PCR test (11 percent positivity rate).
Possible conclusions from this study:
A) Such a finding would present strong anecdotal (scientific?) evidence that a significant percentage of the control group very likely did have COVID-19 when they believe they did.
B) Study findings would also presents strong anecdotal (scientific) evidence that the virus that causes Covid-19 was present in a wide cross-section of the world population prior to mid-February 2020.
C) “Prevalence” estimates of the virus (pre-Mach 2020) could/might be adjusted accordingly. Repeated claims by experts and public health authorities that this virus was not spreading before February 2020 would also need to be questioned, re-examined and explained.
Conclusion:
While multiple studies have been conducted that show that “natural immunity” is superior to or at least equal to immunity produced from vaccination, it is strange that no study has been undertaken to determine possible immunity among the millions of people who believe they had COVID in the weeks and months before the virus was said to have existed. Such a study, if ever done, could provide compelling evidence that the virus was spreading widely before officials and experts said was possible.
Conversely, such a study could also provide evidence that those who think they had COVID almost certainly did not …. as results could also show that those in this group do not have lower positivity rates than the general population.
In my opinion, the possibility such a study will ever be performed is extremely low. Certainly, we know such a study – which could have been completed months ago – has yet to be performed. This, in itself, is quite revealing.
Other benefits of this proposed study:
Medical records of these study subjects exist and can be easily accessed. (It is expected that study participant would consent to sharing their own medical records). That is, every person in this proposed study group did visit a doctor or health care provider, complaining of specific symptoms in the examined time period. Also, every person included in the study tested negative for influenza (although, it should be noted, it is possible to have COVID and influenza at the same time).
Importantly, the dates of these medical visits can be determined and charted. Furthermore, medical records would include a listing of complaints or specific symptoms … as well as, possibly, the date of the onset of symptoms, the duration of symptoms and details of follow-up visits if any.
From this data set, researchers could rank the symptoms that seem to be most associated with a likely/possible case of COVID (For example, acute shortness of breath, oxygen levels, loss of smell and taste, severity of cough, etc.).
Researchers could also compile and compare information on the number of influenza-like illness visits to health care providers from past years, the number of flu tests given and the percentage of tests that came back negative. Important and still unanswered question: Was there a noticeable increase in many communities of people going to the doctor to get tested for the flu who tested negative for influenza?
Follow-up questionnaires or interviews could be done with subjects, providing more responses on why these individuals came to believe they had some illness other than the flu, bronchitis or another virus. Researchers could ascertain if other family members also became ill at the same time (and also tested negative for the flu).
A different study could be commissioned of those people who were admitted to the hospital in the defined time period (November 2019 – February 2020) with pneumonia, influenza or respiratory infection reasons. Possible questions: was there an increase in patients who were diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia, ARDS and/or sepsis (common diagnoses of patients with severe COVID)?
Lab results produced at the time could look for noticeable spikes in patients (admitted to hospital or not) who were flagged with abnormal ranges on D-Dimer tests and/or with two liver enzyme tests liver test also strongly associated with COVID. That is, by now researchers know what the classic markets are for more serious cases of COVID. During the examined study period, did more patients present with these test results than in past years? It’s also possible (although not likely) that blood or other samples were taken in the winter of 2019-2020, which could have been preserved and thus could still be tested for COVID-19 today.
Researchers could also ascertain if the respondents later got an antibody test (once these tests finally became widely available), showing what the results were, what specific test they received and how long after their symptom onset they received these antibody tests. (Per numerous studies, detectable levels of IgG antibodies fade in most people within 2 to three months. This means a subsequent “negative” antibody test results does NOT rule out prior infection … especially if the subject experienced symptoms four or five months prior to receiving this test).
Also, subjects could provide info if they had EVER tested positive (after March 2021) – and, if so, when? Researchers could learn what number later were vaccinated and, perhaps more importantly, what number have still yet to be vaccinated and have still yet to test positive via a PCR tests. That is, the longer a person who thinks he/she had COVID pre March 2020 and has still never tested positive for COVID, the stronger the evidence this person did/does have natural immunity.
Among those who have never been vaccinated and who have never tested positive with a PCR test, these individuals could be tested for antibodies again with test showing cellular immunity which might show T and B cell response (which provide longer lasting immune response) instead of just basic antibody tests which show if IgG antibodies are still present.
I’d also like to report that I could be a participant in my own proposed story and have even done cursory and definitely amateur and non-scientific “study” to test my hypothesis.
As far as I can tell, I experienced all of the COVID symptoms in January 2020. Extreme fatigue, terrible (dry) cough, extreme shortness of breath, fever, and the loss of taste were the symptoms that later made me wonder if I had had COVID. In some respects, this seemed like the flu, but in other important ways it definitely seemed different.
I was bed-ridden for a week and felt bad enough to go to a doctor (something I rarely do). I tested negative for flu and bronchitis.
I later decided to test my hypothesis by soliciting feedback (largely from Facebook posts but with some personal interviews and conversations as well), asking friends if they or someone they knew also thinks they might have had COVID.
From this exercise, I later compiled a list of about 50 people who think they might have had COVID before March 2020. Many of my respondents provided examples of their symptoms and reasons why they think they might have had COVID. For example, it was common to hear that many people had flu-like symptoms but there were elements of this bout with illness that were not the same as previous bouts with the flu.
I paid particular attention to those who reported that they had gone to the doctor and tested negative for the flu.
It was also significant to me that a LOT of people were sick with something in December 2019 and January 2020 in my town and section of my state (Alabama).
Skip forward many months and the above study occurred to me. My thought: If these people really did have COVID, they would have been very unlikely to subsequently test positive for COVID via a PCR test.
So I did a follow-up query, asking this simple question: Did you later test positive for COVID?
I received approximately 35 responses. Only two said they had (approximately a 5.7 positivity response – lower than the now 13 percent positivity rate). However, of the two who did say they had tested positive subsequently, their earlier symptoms were not the strongest match for “likely” or “possible” COVID in my opinion.
Among those who I thought had the strongest “claim,” none of these individuals had subsequently tested positive. I was also struck by stories of people saying they had never tested positive despite people in their own families who did test positive. So this group had been in close contact with PCR-positive family members or close acquaintances and somehow never got this very contagious virus themselves. As far as I know, (approximatelyt) 33 of these 35 people have NEVER tested positive for COVID (myself included).
What does my little amateur “study” prove? Maybe nothing, but it certainly doesn’t disprove or discredit my hypothesis. In fact, I would say it probably supports my hypothesis. Which is one reason I’d love to see a “real” study along these lines.
Who’d have thought it.
Humans possess something which ensures their survival.
I believe it is called “the immune system.”
You know, that thing which has kept us alive for aeons.
And furthermore, our brilliant scientists still have not got a fucking clue how it all actually works.
I could name half a dozen known unknowns about it in a heartbeat – but it’s the unknown unknowns that are the real problem. But that has never seemed to bother big pharma….
So, here we are.
What next. Lol.
Dr Mike Yeadon said about 1.5 yrs ago that people still had natural immunity from the previous Sars virus 17 years later, so really this is very old news. These jabs do not offer any immunity as they don’t stop infection nor transmission and a hell of a lot of double jabbed people are now sick- plenty from the virus and also due to serious vaccine adverse reactions including the return of chronic illnesses such as cancer. Enough said really. Each to their own. If you want to destroy your natural immune system with regular vials full of toxins then that’s your choice.
SARS has T cell immunity in the decades. This will be the same when everyone who hasn’t been vaxxed gets the same strain infection and recovers.
It’s just another common cold if we all get natural infection. Get out an about. Shake hands, hug, don’t wear a mask if you don’t want to (not that they do anything)
Sorry for being trite and all the pretty damning evidence that a lot of inaccurate stuff was pumped out last year but come on – John Snow!!… you know nothing