Talking at a fringe event at the Tory party conference, the Health Secretary said there is no good reason to introduce vaccine passports “at this point” – hardly the steadfast refusal we might hope for, but certainly better than nothing. The Evening Standard has the story.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson had been planning to make it mandatory for those attending nightclubs to have to be fully vaccinated, but the Government reversed on the policy.
Sajid Javid told a fringe event at the Conservative Party conference that he believed vaccine take-up in the U.K. was so strong that there was no need for the passport concept to be introduced as it had been elsewhere in Europe.
In France, proof of being double jabbed must be shown before entering a restaurant or bar.
With concerns that, despite the Government’s U-turn, immunity passports could be needed if Covid cases spike this winter, Mr. Javid said his comments did not mean “there can’t ever be a role for such an intervention”.
But he said his opinion was that any justification for their introduction needed to pass over a “very high” bar.
The Health Secretary said: “I’m driven by the evidence and if you look at countries who have enforced vaccine passports – and you mention France and Italy as example – I think … their motivating factor was to significantly increase their vaccine take up rate.
“We have been much more fortunate when it comes to vaccine take-up in that the British public have been very supportive in general.
“There are pockets of hesitancy of course but we don’t have anything like the levels of hesitancy that you’ve seen in France and Italy, particularly in France.” …
[He added:] “If we’re going to pretty much take away people’s freedom, you’ve got to have a really good reason to do it and I don’t think we have that reason at this point.”
But he refused to row back on his plan to make it mandatory for care workers to have to be fully vaccinated by next month if they are to continue in the profession.
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That word ”hesitancy” is a trigger for me. Rather like ”safe” and ”allowed” and ”surge” (etc).
PS Wouldn’t it be nice to have a ”Health Secretary” for once who actually had qualification or experience in medicine, science or social care? And someone like Senator Rand Paul who could grill them now and then….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ
Dear Sajid , no good reason to introduce vaccine passports EVER! If you think there are, you’re not the right person for the job as you have a distinct inability to think critically.
Perhaps you should write to him directly, because I doubt very much that he’s reading this on a Wednesday morning during his coffee break.
When are these authoritarians going to admit it isn’t “vaccine hesitancy” … it’s experimental gene therapy refusal. No amount of coercion is going to change my mind. The harder they push; the more my heels dig in.
“No good reason to introduce vaccine passports” …. not now NOT EVER. They are the policy of a Dictatorship.
“The Health Secretary said: “I’m driven by the evidence….”
Immediately followed by:
“…..and if you look at countries who have enforced vaccine passports – and you mention France and Italy as example – I think … their motivating factor was to significantly increase their vaccine take up rate.”
My belief is that ‘evidence’ is normally associated with science which, in this case, is absolouly vital.
Javid clearly believes ‘covid evidence’ is political opinion, as distinct from medical science.
He has no qualification in science, medical or otherwise. Not exactly the sort to inspire confidence, is he?
“My name is Captain Concasseur. You have a sense of humour. I appreciate humour. I am in favour of jokes. They have political value. Jokes are a release for the cowardly and the impotent” – Graham Greene (‘The Comedians’)
On the contrary, Mr Javid, they should be introduced and immediately shoved up your arse.
Meanwhile, in the fascist state of Wales, it’s “papers please” from next Monday.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/live-updates-senedd-members-vote-21767140
It wouldn’t have passed had it not been for the Tory MS who couldn’t get on to Zoom to vote. How is that democracy FFS?
So he’s openly admitting the vax passport program “pretty much take(s) away people’s freedom.”
This is all a spook.. the UK signed up in July to join the EU Health Pass scheme.. and planning is going on behind the scenes. The supposed public consultation is total bullshit. They want that vax passport come hell or high water..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/uk-brink-joining-eu-passport-scheme-sources-confirm-nhs-system/
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/09/24/uk-close-to-joining-eu-covid-vaccine-passport-scheme/
Have a read of this via the Torygraph..
It’s a tricky one. I can’t say it’s totally promising but at the same time there are positives. The UK hasn’t (yet) gone down the route of France / Italy et al. Perhaps because – as Javid alluded to – the propaganda campaign has been so effective that most people have been desperate to get their vaccine here..
Since Javid has come in, I’ve personally felt that we are moving in the right direction. He is skeptical of SAGE, he also seems cynical about vaccine passports, so far, at least.
Is he our shining knight who has come to the rescue? No. But does he at least show glimmers that he isn’t an evil totalitarian a la Hancock, Johnson, Macron, etc? Yes.
Irrespective of what Javid says, there should be a legal challenge against travel restrictions for unvaccinated. Discrimination is wrong, its as simple as that. We need to get on the front foot and fight the discrimination and abuse with action. Let’s stand up for ourselves and protect our rights.
He SAYS he is sceptical of SAG(E) and he SAYS he doesn’t want ‘passports’ (yet). He’s just as bad as the rest of them, but we’re hoping for a candle in the dark. They’re all liars, cheats and manipulators – it’s just that some are better at it than others.
As for a ‘legal challenge’ – it’s to be hoped that the courts remain uncorrupted and unbiased. Or are we too late?
American college football player hospitalized with “undisclosed” ailment.
One wonders if this is a case of vaccine-caused myocarditis cardiac-related event?
If so, it’s not surprising it will be covered up … or they will try to cover it up.
If it can be shown that officials KNEW the risks of myocarditis from vaccination were greatly increased and school and sports league officials still forced these athletes to be vaccinated, you have a potential “game-changer” of epic proportions. The liability has to be massive and if enough of these cases were publicized it would kill the mandatory vaccine efforts especially among younger age cohorts.
I suspect there will be many more such mysterious hospitalizations and probably, at some point, deaths …. even on the playing field.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32339225/minnesota-golden-gophers-rb-trey-potts-hospital-improving-school-says
When do I have to wear the ‘Star of Javid’?
I hope’s it’s yellow. Oh I do like yellow!
There’ll be no good reason to introduce vaccine passports until at least we have an actual vaccine, jackass!
Hands up who gave Javid the benefit of the doubt and hoped he couldn’t possibly be as bad as that ingrown toenail Matt Hancock!
Sin of omission on the part of either Javid or The Evening Standard: “In France, proof of being double jabbed must be shown before entering a restaurant or bar”. The missing words are …. or proof of having recovered from the virus or of having tested negative. The idea is being pushed subtly that only with “vaccination” will we be able to live and travel freely.
The same is true for Italy, the other country he mentions.
Don’t forget Lithuania:
https://txti.es/covid-pass/images
nothing subtle about it
“Right now.”
I see you, you sleazy little bastard.
This just about says it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukIoZ8d3Ew
Just finished the ‘survey’ (second one) on this subject:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario-call-for-evidence
Even less room for proper responses than the last time, with many questions that are leading and only 150 word responses for why (you can easily go beyond but other than counting up yourself, there’s no way to know if you have or that the response has been accepted).
The hand of Gove is still there. I think they’re lyinbg again, pretending to not ‘want’ this but in a month or so inventing ‘pressure’ on the NHS ‘justify’ – reluctantly – in going for vaccine passports.
I stated that given the high rate of vaccination generally – especially in vulnerable groups, why would they be needed? Most of the circumstances they gave for using them are either ones that are mainly used by the young (and thus not needed because they can fight off the virus easily or, are vaccinated because they are vulnerable) or where those attending have been vaccinated or conciously chosen not to be for personal or medical reasons, and know the risk.
Either way, if they are designed for medical reasons to reduce transmission, they barely have an impact on the hospitalisation and death rates (see… Read more »
They obviously have something else planned.. something else on their minds.. like finding enough drivers to transport the hydrofluoric acid canisters to the water treatment plants. Cos good old Javid is worried about our pegs.. bless him..
https://www.wakingtimes.com/fluoridated-water-the-ultimate-evil/
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ershdb/emergencyresponsecard_29750030.html
Immunity Passports????
Wow. No longer a vaccine passport.
Shame this vaccine doesn’t confer any immunity lol.
They are catching up to the realization that it should not be so evident to the masses that the “passports” just just a blatant marketing tool for selling vaccines (using tax money). The salesmen in Germany were more clever about it and avoided the words “passport” and “vaccine” altogether, instead inventing “recovered/vaccinated rule”, which is hidden beyond the “2G” euphemism/acronym so that nobody needs to be reminded that it is about forced vaccination.
if it was SUCH an immunity passport then there would be a slot on it to show results from an antibody/T cell test.
TBH – doesn’t matter what they call it – vaxx passport, immunity passport, freedom pass, health pass, etc etc etc – fact remains it is ‘papers please’ – apartheid based on whether or not someone is prepared to hand over their autonomy over their body to the state.
Or Ever
Anything to do with the judgement to look at child vaccinations
The key words being Right Now. They have every intention of rolling them out!
“If we’re going to pretty much take away people’s freedom, you’ve got to have a really good reason to do it and I don’t think we have that reason at this point.”
But Sajid, I thought Covid Passes gave people freedom in your Orwellian world? This is quite a big admission from this charlatan.
Just a slip of the teeth.
“If we’re going to pretty much take away people’s freedom, you’ve got to have a really good reason to do it and I don’t think we have that reason at this point.””
Well they haven’t had a good reason so far and that hasn’t stopped them.
Nails it.
Just as with face masks in July 2020, the government is admitting this idea isn’t about stopping infections where the rule applies but to do some other “greater good.” With masks it was to induce confidence (ha) but might have caused more harm than any good it did produce.
Now with passports it’s not about safety, since the vaccinated (which I am) can still pass along or get sick with Covid. So it’s all about strong arming people who we don’t need to be jabbed for high levels of immunity. Orwell died too soon, he could have sold millions with a book about this “conservative government.” I wonder how much of the “you need a booster to still be approved” aspect and the fact that families with children under 16 would have taken it to court because the vaccination wasn’t approved by the JCVI. Either way, I really loathe this government.
“since the vaccinated (which I am) can still pass along or get sick with Covid.”
Yes – currently a close family member, double-jabbed, is pretty rough with SARS (so much about ameliorating symptoms, too).
The person who ‘died’ too soon was Kary Mullis the inventor of PCR……He’d have been allover this utter EVIL bollocks like a rash. without the use of fraudulent data from his test there is NOTHING, no virus, no infection rates, no spreading, no mortality, and no snake oil poison
“certainly better than nothing“
Don’t bet on it. Clearly, there needs to be a build-up. Watch this space as the hysteria generator gets speeded up as infections climb towards the new year.
You mean (false) positive PCR ct 40 test results…
PCR testing will have its role – but this will be on the back of a genuine (but unremarkable) seasonal rise in all sorts of respiratory infections
It has a role already. Just not the one for which it’s being used. We’re told it can’t detect ‘infection’ and that won’t change, seasonal rise or not.
Which viral infections will the PCR testing be revealing?
It’s later than expected. I expected hysteria to be well ramped up by now, especially after Toad signalled half term would be cancelled. They must be looking very hard at the variants currently…
But maybe also waiting to see what happens with the jabbing of children, which they well know is a risk for them.
Yes … but groundwork is being done with the sustaining of a ‘pandemic’ and ‘wave’ narrative, ready to take off at an appropriate point.
I may, of course, be wrong, but ….. 🙂
Or waiting to see how many ADE instances occur.
So English sheeples don’t need bullying and coercing because they are so good at bullying and coercing themselves.
Of course it’s ok to take away people’s freedom in Scotland, and Wales. Or if they have the bad luck to be in a job that Savij Jabbid has got his knife into.
And it’s ok to take away people’s freedom to enter your premises if you’re an organisation of malevolent Fascist cowards.
And it’s perfectly ok to stop people leaving the country because they have some respect for their own bodies.
These words If we’re going to pretty much take away people’s freedom, you’ve got to have a really good reason to do it and I don’t think we have that reason at this point.”
should send shivers down everyone’s spine. What gives ‘Jackboot Javid’’ or anyone else in Government the right to take away people’s freedom because they choose to exercise their right, for whatever reason, not to be jabbed? Still think that we live in a Democracy?
make it crystal clear now that it isn’t about a virus any more – if indeed it ever was.
“If we’re going to pretty much take away people’s freedom, you’ve got to have a really good reason to do it and I don’t think we have that reason at this point.”
All one needs to know about them and how they tick.
A blatantly wrong and unconstitutional fundamental attitude, rooted in and reerecting the master/servant or ruler/serf relationship and desire.
You beat me to it!
The left is even worse, of course.
And too many in business and society, and all in tbe civil service and related, seem to share this mindset again.
Which also shows that this system is simply not reformable, only replaceable.
Unfortunately, that can and will only happen after a huge catastrophe, likely bankrupcy induced by hyperinflation.
To prevent it from ever happening again and to truly ‘build back better’ thereafter, more direct democracy (which only empowers the media ever more), or new parties are not the solution (see France, En marche).
The only solution is a fundamentally libertarian society in which politics is performed through people chosen by sortition, as it was the case originally, for exactly those reasons and the prevention of those inevitable flaws and dangers.
The only solution is Christianity. Capitalism unfettered by morality, the pursuit of greed, the pursuit of power, are taking us back to the Dark Ages.
Not sure Christianity is the ONLY solution. We have (had) the rule of law that protects individual rights and freedoms and prevents big companies from wielding too power. Big tech need to be forced by law to behave like carriers not publishers, and prevented from censoring anything.
plus we have something that looks a lot more like progressive feudalism than capitalism.
Comes to the same thing.
it very much does not. it looks a lot more like marxism for the rich.
… which is a contradictory nonsense trope for the politically illiterate.
Christianity is very much not the solution. Many of us do not believe in any religion.
And have you had any involvement with the CofE? I have, and can honestly say it’s the most disgusting, two-faced, hypocritical and self-serving organisation I have ever had the misfortune to encounter.
“The story of injustice being inflicted by the Church of England upon Prof Martyn Percy, Dean of Christ Church, Oxford, has been grinding on now for over three months, and the reputation of the Established Church for justice, mercy and humility has been eroding with it every day.”
https://archbishopcranmer.com/christ-church-martyn-percy-conspiracy-lawyers-pr-safeguarding/
You seem to be confusing ‘Christianity’ with the Church of England. One’s a personal faith, the other is a money-making organisation with dodgy officials.
Christianity – or rather, its institutional expression, is right behind this business, and is, itself all about power.
You are confusing the formal institutions of christianity and their garbled, modern interpretations with the basic Biblical Christian message. That I suspect is what SB intended.
She is of course correct.
A life lived closely according to the Commandments won’t be a bad or offensively lived life.
… which begs the question of what is “the basic Biblical Christian message” to be extracted from this selected melange of contradictory (if interesting) texts which provokes, like Heinz, 57 varieties of message according to taste, ranging from the credibly humanistic to the bug-eyed apocalyptic?
The Commandments, BTW, aren’t ‘Christian’ – just adopted Jewish material from earlier times.
Sorry about repetitively speaking in tongues.
… which begs the question of what is “the basic Biblical Christian message” to be extracted from this selected melange of contradictory (if interesting) texts which provokes, like Heinz, 57 varieties of message according to taste, ranging from the credibly humanistic to the bug-eyed apocalyptic?
Remember ‘Christianity’ is, from the early days an establishment control phenomenon, first defined by the bureaucratic Council of Nicaea in the 4th Century. It picked the texts that suited the power structures of the time, and told the rest to f.off and whistle. Various sects, as well as the big boys have been doing the same ever since.
The Commandments, BTW, primarily aren’t ‘Christian’ – just adopted Jewish material from earlier times and slung together with others, ancient and modern to make up the official ‘Bible’.
You pays your money and takes your pick at the jumble sale – a ‘Loving God’, or a ranting, sadistic homicidal maniac who drowns the world and creates the mental disturbance of the Apocalypse vision? It’s your choice, because everybody else stitches their own.
But, its the institutions that dominate in the bidding war to define sense out of the textual porridge.
Yawn.
Council of Nicea = WHO = IPCC
Constantine = WEF = Club of Rome
Same game.
I would be quite happy to have a solution that doesn’t involve religion.
She nails it.
At the Tory conference.
To no avail.
Bevause they share Merkel’s understanding of democracy and the rule of law:
“For the government I can say, we want to abide by the law and will do so wherever necessary.”
https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/vaccine-passports-not-the-happy-ending?r=rajs8&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=
From the Monotti/Yeadon T channel.
The government’s new Covid pass exemption ‘guidance’. No more self-exemption, apparently.
It’s time to go to the courts against both and time to try everything to stop this and tbem.
Otherwise, they will introduce it, expand it and tighten the screws ever further.
That’s a fact and certainty.
“Covid Pass” should be avoided and resisted. However you don’t need an injection to get one if your job depends on it, you could be exempt.
“Please be careful here if you use this. The review of your application is final and cannot be appealed. It’s a trap really to fall into for many reasons. Best to just avoid those requiring the pass if you can” @ClareWH
This is the official exemption procedure in the UK:
“How to apply for and receive your COVID Pass medical exemption
Phone the NHS COVID Pass service on 119 to ask for an NHS COVID Pass medical exemptions application form.
You can also call to find out more information about COVID Pass medical exemptions.
The call handler at the NHS COVID Pass service will ask you some questions. You will need to give:
your name
your date of birth
your NHS… Read more »
Don’t go along with this.
Agree. Resistance and complete non-cooperation is the only way forward.
“A strange game. The only winning move is not to play”
Shall we all call the medical exemption line and ask for their medical details before we hand over ours?
“have you ever had an STD test?” would be fun to ask the Gauleiter
Hold the line. No compliance.
I read this yesterday and spent the rest of my evening as furious as I have been for a while. They will so clearly lean on GP’s not to issue exemptions. My wife had refused the jab since my mother was given her clot shot and months of injections + blood thinning tablets, wife has clotting in her family and embolisms, and is pretty scared to add anything to her system, when she previously asked her GP for an exemption they refused to entertain such a measure. Saying “it’s not mandatory, so we can’t exempt anyone”.
Indeed, forget the official route.
Same as medical certificates for mask exemptions on the continent: no more chance after the BMA equivalents threatened their members/subjects.
But maybe/hopefully, there still remains the other, current option;
The original, still active and valid, common law based self-exemption was FROM the requirement to show the Covid Pass DOMESTICALLY- it was never vamid for travel or abroad.
This is FROM jabbing/testing, and if granted, it then gives you the ‘green’ Covid pass and the status of a double (triple etc.) vaxxed, valid domestically AND for travel and abroad (where the UK has reciprocal agreements)- with the latter likely being the main and real reason for this new procedure.
My hunch and hope here then is that, similar to and for the same common law based reason and inalienable individual right as with masks (no consent etc.), the self-exemption must still be honoured DOMESTICALLY, meaning you can just walk into any venue in England (UK?) demanding the pass without it, if you just state and claim so.
Time for the lawyers to clarify/confirm that and/or to finally get off their backsides.
wouldn’t expect you should get too many hopes up about that common law exemption Jaybee. Screws are deffo tightening.
Same here – clotting and all kids of vascular illness hereditary in my genes too – plus I suffer from a combination of illnesses my GP will barely even recognise never mind appreciate that the jab will never have been tested against that illness profile – but will he exempt me when he gets paid for jabbing me??? what kind of practice of medicine is this???
The exemption shouldn’t be medical, it should be based on FREE CHOICE, for any old reason you want. That is the point of freedom!