The Health Secretary has doubled down on the ‘no jab no job’ policy for care home workers, following reports that more than half of care homes could be forced to sack staff because of the rule, saying that those who refuse to get vaccinated against Covid should “get out and get another job”. Dismissing the views of those who have chosen not to get vaccinated, he said ‘refuseniks’ simply “cannot be bothered” to join in with the roll-out. The Telegraph has the story.
The Health Secretary said he is not prepared to “pause” the requirement for care home staff to be fully-vaccinated by November 11th, amid concerns significant numbers of staff are reluctant to receive the vaccine.
The Government announced their decision to make vaccination compulsory for care home workers in August, a controversial move that sector and union leaders warned could lead to a “mass exodus” of staff.
Mr. Javid told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: “If you work in a care home you are working with some of the most vulnerable people in our country and if you cannot be bothered to go and get vaccinated, then get out and go and get another job.”
He added: “If you want to look after them [care home residents], if you want to cook for them, if you want to feed them, if you want to put them to bed, then you should get vaccinated. If you are not going to get vaccinated then why are you working in care?”
Christina McAnea, Unison’s General Secretary, said: “Vaccination remains the way out of the pandemic. But coercing and bullying people can never be the right approach.”
Boris Johnson has defended the move, saying it was “only reasonable” to expect workers in a position of care to be vaccinated.
The Prime Minister said: “I think that it’s only reasonable to expect people who are entrusted with the care of elderly and vulnerable people to be inoculated against a disease which is particularly harmful to elderly and vulnerable people.”
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That’s another inhuman scumbag who needs to be remembered, and never forgiven.
These attitudes are unforgivable.
They all piss in the same pot and will all fit on the same gibbet when the time comes.
Your solution is too humane. I think they should be cut down before death and quartered. Let him smell his own entrails before he goes into eternity.
Who does he imagine is going to replace those who leave? There’s a massive problem with recruitment anyway because of the nature of the job. But Savage Jabber would never get his hands dirty doing a job like care work.
Quite – hard work for shit pay with often unsociable working hours. People aren’t exactly going to be queueing up for the jobs, are they?
This situation – and lorry drivers – demonstrates very well the theories set out by the anthropologist David Graeber in his essay (and later book) ‘Bullshit Jobs’, where he argues that (with a small number of exceptions) those jobs which are most necessary to society tend to be little valued and paid badly, whereas the opposite is true and many highly-paid managerial jobs are so unnecessary that hardly anybody would notice if they disappeared.
Would any of us notice if Savage Jabber disappeared?
As in the nearly 50% of NHS employees who are “managers”?
They don’t intend to replace them. The propaganda telling us the jab is working has been misread by the gullible. The jab is working because it’s beginning to kill people so there will be no need for careworkers.
The next adverts to go out will be for cremation staff. When will people start to understand this is a depopulation agenda.
At this rate we will all be dead before the depopulation kicks in.
I’d like to see that sociopath put to work in a care home, wiping people’s arses, feeding them, cleaning up after them, trying to give them some quality of life when their level of functioning is often incredibly poor. Not to mention all that bloody ppe they have to wear and regular lateral flow tests. And cope with the constant loss of residents, and deal with the relatives. He wouldn’t last a shift. Weren’t these the same essential workers who were being clapped last year, now branded as lazy and irresponsible? Go fuck youself Javid.
Hear hear.
Would you be happy with him on the other end of your arse?
Maybe he would be better employed digging out cess pits with no mask.
Javid is a muslim. Muslims have no regard for the lives of infidels. Read the Quran. The CCP have no regard for the lao bai xing. It is no coincidence that there are many of that faith in our Parliament
You are speaking of fundamentalists here. All Muslims I know are tolerant and lovely people. I’m also concerned that if we fall into the trap of dehumanising the other, we are playing a game that some in power wish us to play. Javid’s faith, whatever it is, has nothing to do with what he has just said. Matt Hancock would have said exactly the same, as would any other government minister.
Completely untrue. Yes I’ve read it. As I have most of the major religious works. No, I’m not a Muslim.
If you’re able to quote any passage from the Quran to support your statement please do so.
A Christian I know has a Muslim friend who sometimes buys pork for her/him despite not eating it, among many other favours. Plenty of Muslims who behave jolly decently.
Now this I agree with
Amen sister!!!!
Absolutely.
And, the clever-dicks always engineer the language to the n’th degree. I despise it. Here, we have the decision of all these people (doubtless arrived at after considering all implications) not to have the jab trivially described by Javid as ‘not being bothered’. What a piece of work!
If you look at s.45 of Public Health Act 1984 – you will see that it is not permissible to mandate ANY medical treatment, and this includes VACCINATION.
It’s the law.
The government made a ministerial decree to mandate it for care home workers weeks ago – but secondary legislation cannot over-rule primary legislation….so what is going on?
I think, a load of bluff. They appear to be attempting to meet some externally set quota for reasons that are unclear. But they’re going to run into the law, which as you say clearly protects us from forced medical procedures. I’m not sure why anyone needs to lose their job. anyone could just say they are taking medication (which is private) and there’s been no research into drug interactions, this is stated on the Cominarty leaflet. We don’t have to take this so-called vaccine, no matter what they say and coercion is illegal.
coercion is illegal in order for them to get you to take the vaccine, but these workers are not being forced to take the vaccine, they are being told to comply with the request to get vaccinated or else you will lose your job….not the same things at all. They can try their luck in an unfair dismissal tribunal if they like, but suing the government won’t work.
That appears to be a distinction without a difference.
Threatening health care workers with the loss of their jobs, if they DO NOT take an experimental biological, in trial until 2023 is coercion. Actually, it is worse than coercion, it is illegal. This experimental biological has been given Emergency Use authorisation, NOT APPROVAL. Two extremely different things. Read the literature.
Lawyers decide what is legal. And you can be sure they would not be making these outrageous statements without having taken expensive legal counsel beforehand (using your tax money no less) and ensured they have the judges in their pocket (also using your tax money).
Ahem, and what do Judges do?
Sadly you are right. It becomes a prerequisite for the job. Simple as that. It’s completely immoral and downright wrong but true coercion would be a difficult win in law.
You are probably correct, but no human rights lawyers are interested in taking a case against the Government or protecting the rights of British citizens. Too much vested interest in keeping the British establishment happy
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/stop-coerced-vaccination/
That’s the ghastly reality, we now live in a country where can not get justice anymore. Our legal system and judges are no longer working for us.
THIS is the law –
F145C
Health protection regulations: domestic
(1)
The appropriate Minister may by regulations make provision for the purpose of preventing, protecting against, controlling or providing a public health response to the incidence or spread of infection or contamination in England and Wales (whether from risks originating there or elsewhere).
(2)
The power in subsection (1) may be exercised—
(a)
in relation to infection or contamination generally or in relation to particular forms of infection or contamination, and
(b)
so as to make provision of a general nature, to make contingent provision or to make specific provision in response to a particular set of circumstances.
(3)
Regulations under subsection (1) may in particular include provision—
(a)
imposing duties on registered medical practitioners or other persons to record and notify cases or suspected cases of infection or contamination,
(b)
conferring on local authorities or other persons functions in relation to the monitoring of public health risks, and
(c)
imposing or enabling the imposition of restrictions or requirements on or in relation to persons, things or premises in the event of, or in response to, a threat to public health.
Javid is not telling them they must get vaccinated, he is telling them if you don’t you will lose your job. There are any number of clauses in the Public Health Act 1984 that allow them to make up these types of rules.
AFAIK the *person* who mandates the vaccine is also *personally* responsible/liable for any injury resulting from it. They cannot hide behind the ‘corporate’ or govt.
As this criminal or tortious act took place in London, might not it be in Dame Dickshit’s very best interests to go and arrest the titular head of the Government for a breach of the PHA84?
Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. Certainly he should be removed from government, and probably from what I’ve heard face prosecution. However if he later repents and someone chooses to forgive him (and for Christians for one, this is a requirement of their beliefs), that is neither here nor there. And I’ve always thought that this “sub human” business is a dangerous road to go down. Being human for the most part that you are capable of both great good and great evil, and dehumanising people has been demonstrably disastrous in the past in places such as Tasmania. Doesn’t mean I’m not angry about what he’s doing to old people and the young though.
A wise post. Going down the ‘sub human’ route, while tempting at times, is extremely dangerous. And it works both ways. To the other side we are sub human for refusing the stab.
We must try ourselves to rise above what the other side is sinking in to – let them sink in the slime of evil by themselves, and drown in it.
But I don’t think I could ever forgive him – except perhaps if he showed true contrition and attempted to make amends – for example by blowing the lid on the Johsnson government and medical establishment.
He is following government policy that has near universal public support. When will people on here notice we are in a tiny minority? Right but nobody cares.
“When will people on here notice we are in a tiny minority? Right but nobody cares.“
How is that knowledge supposed to change how we should behave here?
It’s a bitter truth that we live in a world in which mass opinion has been manipulated by massive fear propaganda, to a possibly unprecedented degree. In which all our institutions have thereby been subverted and rendered part of the problem instead of providing any protection. That those few of us who have resisted have been infinitely outgunned from the start by the sheer resources poured into pushing panic and authoritarian solutions.
Pretty sure Hugh recognises that. Pretty sure he cares about it. How should that knowledge change what he wrote, here, among (mostly) friends and allies)?
Your error is to assume that you are among “friends and allies”. Any newcomer from the public who sees these extreme comments will be instantly turned off by their extremism. In that sense by venting off “among friends and allies” you are shooting yourself in the foot and acting against the cause you claim to care about. But perhaps you care about something else entirely.
“Your error is to assume that you are among “friends and allies”. ”
My comment to which you claim to be replying referred to Hugh, not to me. Try to be accurate if you are going to shoot off passive aggressive “corrections” to commenters.
“Any newcomer from the public who sees these extreme comments will be instantly turned off by their extremism. In that sense by venting off “among friends and allies” you are shooting yourself in the foot and acting against the cause you claim to care about. But perhaps you care about something else entirely.”
This is an old debate common to every single political movement in history. The argument about what level of robustness becomes counter-productive, versus what level of “moderate” apologetics becomes demotivating and tedious collaboration, is as old as the hills.
Every individual has his own preferred approach to a particular issue.
But for sure I’m not going to take a lecture on the appropriate level of reasonableness from your comment handle, which has seemed to lurch in a bipolar fashion from reasonable discussion to aggressive angry attacks on fellow commenters, without seeming restraint or consistency, and which must be assumed to be in use by at least two people.
rayc, posted here 6 minutes after the above diatribe against supposed “extreme” commenters putting off “newcomers from the public”:
“If these people cared about blood on their hands, they would not be taking offices. We’re just talking about sociopaths playing their favorite game, which is to amass power over other people and hurt them for personal pleasure.“
“Blood on their hands”, “sociopaths”, “amass power over other people and hurt them for personal pleasure”.
Hypocrite.
“However if he later repents and someone chooses to forgive him (and for Christians for one, this is a requirement of their beliefs), that is neither here nor there.”
Yes, you’ve made that point before and I agree it is a valid one. However I stand by the position that the right approach now is to emphasize not forgetting and not forgiving, understanding that this is a political point. Personal forgiveness imo is different and separate from political forgiveness.
The latter is the potential problem my approach seeks to resist – the tendency of politicians to get away with “moving on” when people have started to forget the harm they have done and become concerned about other issues. That’s in part how the party led by Blair, for instance, was re-elected in 2005, after the Iraq monstrosity.
The former is something personal, and dependent on genuine repentance and remorse – highly unlikely to be honest in a politician, but possible. And if it occurs, Christians as you say are required to respect it – personally. But even Christians are not required to support the remaining in office of someone who has committed gross misfeasance in office (such as invading Iraq or imposing lockdown and “vaccine” apartheid) ,merely because the person might have repented of it.
Personal forgiveness, fine. Political? Neither morally acceptable nor in practice wise, imo, in cases like these. It would be the equivalent of giving a convicted child molester a position teaching in a boarding school merely because he had genuinely repented.
“And I’ve always thought that this “sub human” business is a dangerous road to go down”
I wrote inhuman, rather than subhuman. The terms have very different connotations, imo.
Still, I think they could easily be conflated.
Certainly it is wise to be prudent, and I would not want him back in government even with genuine repentance, firstly in case he relapsed, secondly because many, including his victims, would not trust him and would feel it an insult given what happened to them. You do of course get people who profess repentance but in reality are more concerned about getting their punishment reduced so certainly I agree it is important to be careful.
I would go further and stress again that the important thing at the moment is to emphasise the importance of not forgetting and not forgiving (politically), precisely because, as you must be aware, the overwhelmingly most likely outcome is that the likes of Javid (and most of the rest of the Guilty Men of the 2020-1 coronapanic disaster) will go on to long political careers in which other issues will determine people’s attitudes towards them.
Blair was reelected, and dragged on in office for 4 years after the Iraq abomination. Eventually he became too toxic and was shoved aside, but how many of all those who willingly collaborated with his war of aggression in the 2003 cabinet paid any price for it?
Brown became PM after Blair. Prescott, Straw, Hoon, Blunkett all remained in office and were largely unhindered by their involvement in the greatest war crime and foreign policy blunder of modern times.
My desire for these perpetrators and their crimes to be remembered might reasonably be viewed as quixotic, but not, I think, uncharitable or unChristian..
Really well said. The dehumanisation of the other is precisely what the powers that be want us to be mutually engaged in, so they can divide and rule. Twas ever thus.
The provocative language they use is fully intended to elicit reactions as you can see in comments from the dimmer posters on this web site. Because any violent reactions will serve as confirmation for those holding the real guns to claim they have proved their case and to allow them to crack down further. You must always take into account what the majority of the public believes, and not take any steps which will make it easier to turn them against you.
Bastard Bastard Bastard !!!!!!!
It is not reasonable.
It is Fascist.
It is vile.
“Seem to remember reading in Private Eye some years ago that Sajid allegedly lent his name and was added as a partner to one of his brothers businesses, in order to give credibility in order for the company to obtain financial backing. Once the financial backing was received he immediately resigned. Probably not illegal if true, however highly unethical.”
“A little googling unearthed this summary:
https://evolvepolitics.com/new-tory-housing-secretary-sajid-javid-was-director-of-his-brothers-11m-buy-to-let-property-firm/
He was director for one day, 22 May 2005.”
“Cannot be bothered” is a vile presumptuous thing to say. How do we get these people as our “leaders”? Pick them I guess…
Sadly the “Health Secretary” doesn’t seem to be very bright. If the “vulnerable” in the care homes have been “vaccinated” and so “protected”, why do the carers need to be “vaccinated”? And if the “vulnerable” are still able to be infected despite their “vaccination”, what stops the care workers becoming infected at a future time after being “vaccinated”? A lot of muddled thinking as the Government pursues an evil agenda; and mandating people to be “vaccinated” with something which might do them harm is indeed evil.
don’t try bringing logic to religion, one must have faith.
A lot more logic in my faith than in this shambles.
These are people that have been made to pay the ultimate price to stand up for a matter of principle. Saying “can’t be bothered” makes me beyond angry. We truly are in the midst of evil.
Yes, makes my blood boil.
When I read the ‘can’t be bothered’ bit, I could hardly believe what I was reading. I still can’t get my head around it!
In fact, Javid should apologize. It is fucking disgraceful.
Seems to be a similar thing to what they are telling “unvaccinated” footballers. They have this whole narrative constructed around people being “vaccine” hesitant. I don’t know if it actually occurs to them that people may be making principled, well-reasoned decisions not to take experimental gene therapy drugs.
You can be sure they are very well informed about the true concerns and are taking those into account while spinning their narrative. This derisive narrative is quite obviously not addressed to the supposedly “hesitant” unvaccinated. Rather, it is addressed to those who have already made the “right” decision – to strengthen their political support and to preemptively destroy any future resistance, which they are fully aware will come when the third round of boosters gets mandated.
You can say what you want, but these demagogues are not dumb, and even if they personally were, they have great resources of very clever manipulators behind them. That is also why everything is going according to their plan so far, not yours.
You can be sure they are very well informed about the true concerns and are taking those into account while spinning their narrative.
Yes, they full well know the reality but they just spin, spin, spin. And knowing that they do know exactly what the score is when coming out with the blatant spin is what really pisses me off.
I don’t know, from what Christopher Booker has said, the “bubble of groupthink” thing can be quite powerful. And people knowing they are being held by kidnappers against their will doesn’t seem to prevent Stockholm syndrome.
In the end, only they know what they are thinking.
M thoughts precisely when I read that comment. It’s the sheer arrogance and casual dismissal of any notion that there are many legitimate medical and civil rights reasons for people to resist being coerced into taking this vaccine. And he knows this darn well which makes his dishonesty and sheer lack of compassion all the more despicable.
My thoughts also – but you expressed it better than my attempt.
Of course it turned out that Tim Yeo, who was an influential voice on energy policy, also had a financial interest in wind turbines, so it’s perfectly possible there is a similar situation with Jabit and the pharmaceutical industry who we know try and influence politics by various means (including posing as philanthropists).
Absolutely agree! His comment is nothing short of heinous. They are ALL culpable now. Their time will come.
I get the feelling that Stabit Jabit is a bit of a vile presumptuous person.
The first group of people to be vaccinated was the elderly and vulnerable, including those in care homes. Care workers must have witnessed many frail people die shortly after being injected. Care workers know how people die, naturally, and recognise those in their care who are in their last week or so. Having witnessed a cull, with residents suddenly keeling over, they are not so likely to want to roll up their own sleeves.
Good point.
The care home elderly were probably disposed of (or murdered) by Midazolam which appears to precede mortality
‘Sadly the “Health Secretary” doesn’t seem to be very bright’…………..You can add the entire government to that observation with their low IQ scarecrow leading the way!!
Ah another engineered crisis
Exactly. Plan B won’t be implemented unless the health care services are under strain.
A good way to ensure that is to fire a large number of staff.
I concur.
Care home closures = overwhelmed NHS = winter lockdown.
Plan B was always their goal.
Send for the midazalam.
Exactly that. Cases and hospital admission is collapsing and the modelling has been found to be way out again. So like you say, they have to find another way to put a strain on hospitals.
Ah.
Everyday they manage to say or do something even more stupid or dangerous than they have managed to date.
even at weekends .
And standing up to the nonsense we have random members of the public and some footballers.
Funny old world.
Vaccination. Castration. Sterilisation. Amputation.
The fascist creed.
Here’s my reasoned and cogent response: “He’s a fucking Cunt”
I’m afraid I can’t agree with such a positive description of this piece of slime. He is, at best, an Evil, twisted, heartless, conniving, fucking cunt!
I really can’t express how angry his words make me. He clearly has no concept at all what care workers do or the sort of people that perform this incredibly difficult role. His comments are far beyond ignorant and reprehensible.
Agreed; he sounds like a disciple of the “Biden” cult.
snap
You are too polite.
3.03 between the eyes is what they all deserve.
( WW 2 reference ).
I wonder what old soldiers would make of this ?
“We caught them, and we shot them, under Rule 303!“
They agree with it like 90% of the population
Hmm… I thought there was a staff shortage…
This was never about a virus.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-1-million-israelis-who-didnt-get-3rd-dose-to-lose-green-pass-on-sunday/
how long until the 4th dose is announced?
It’s scheduled for 5 months time. In Israel vaccinations have a 5 month life.
Javid is not “a force for good”.
Correction. “ You have looked after them, you have cooked for them, you have put them to bed, you have held the hand of a confused or dying person who did not have their family around them, you have tested yourself each week and self isolated when told to do so, you have worked for a pittance throughout the pseudo-pandemic. We clapped for you and you were our heroes. Now because you won’t take an experimental jab, instead of thanking you, we are going to have to punish you and the people for whom you care. You will lose your job and they will be deprived of your care”
Thank you to the wonderful carers who looked after my mother in law throughout 2020 until her death earlier this year. The family never asked you if you were jabbed, all we cared about was that you looked after her to the best of your ability. You loved her and she loved you. That is all that mattered whatever Javid says or does.
Utter madness.
Beautifully put Margaret!! I can sense your complete fury and I am with you. I have never been so angry about anything any government has ever done. It is the most wicked bullying.
The pressure to vaccinate children and deny parental consent takes the biscuit for me. Vile, nasty, greedy and utterly wrong.
My thoughts precisely Margaret though you expressed it more beautifully than I ever could.
It’s evil and the worst part is that most people can’t see that it is.
It’s made me despondent of humanity that the majority are not screaming about this. They really are just sheep being lead to the slaughter.
Arrogant prick.
This governments descent into modern fascism continues.
“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”. ― Thomas Jefferson.
This is a tyranncal government.
Why Life Jackets Should Be Mandatory! – YouTube
Sadly JP’s satirical parallels are all too accurate.
Amazing, I wonder if they will make him take it down, perfect video and perfect circumvention of NaziTube’s policies.
Care home workers worked through the whole of last year and at the height of the pandemic with no vaccines – it is highly probable the most contracted the virus and now have natural immunity – but this is the thanks they get from this tyrannical government that uses fear and threats to further its useless policies … get the jab or you will be sacked from your job.
Last years heroes – this years unemployed.
Thank you.
This government absolutely disgusts me.
and what disgusts me equally is the utter failure of the labour party, once the party of the workers, to stand up for the care workers
Today’s Labour party has nothing to do with working people any more. In fact, it’s a party which should have been disbanded a long time ago, when the need for it diminished with much-improved workers’ rights and conditions. Only the idealogically-confused left-wing middle-class without enough to usefully do, along with regional voting-tribalism keeps it going.
Labour cannot forgive the working-classes for getting above themselves – home ownership, foreign holidays etc, and worse – some of them even started voting Tory!
Well said
The recurring theme in this policy is that they are using blackmail with hostages (in this care the elderly people) to pressure other people into bucking under pressure. Yes, it’s extremely pathetic, and even more worrying that other people cannot see through such tricks.
You need to take this to protect the people who have already taken it.
If you don’t take it you are putting them at risk, even though they have taken it.
They can still can catch it and die, and you can still pass it to them, but you still need to take it to protect them.
Follow?
If both parties are vaccinated, the risk is lower than if only one party is. Technically, there is nothing illogical about it, it’s just extremely unethical to use such coercion on people who have already sacrificed a lot.
But Sajid, your ‘vaccines’ only offers SOME protection, don’t they?
So, some jabbed care workers will still transmit it, won’t they?
And if they do, some of the elderly and vulnerable will still die, won’t they?…even though they’ve been jabbed too!
That tired old soundbite is clearly bollocks, isn’t it? Everyone now knows it’s bollocks, those claiming it knows that everyone else knows that it’s bollocks, but the prevalence of doublething allows it to keep getting repeated, because hardly anyone will openly challenge it, even though they know it’s bollocks…
The way out of the pandemic is the same as with any other pandemic before – wait 2-3 years. Not that it matters now.
Sajid Javid: the best Health Secretary money can buy.
Yes, Mrs May, you were right about the ‘Nasty Party’ epithet.
My friend has quit her job as a care worker because of jab rules and has a new job. She worked in care for 15 years. Shit pay and felt under appreciated and the jab rule was the final straw.
God bless and protect her. She will be restored and vindicated. And compensated.
She should not have quit……….care workers must be patient and be fired.
That would be my advice.
Perhaps she has integrity and principles and is not a cynic…?
We all know what is going to happen this winter. Plan B will be implemented, “with reluctance”. Lol.
But, it’s the refuseniks who are causing us to do this.
Plan B doesn’t worry me too much, It’s Plan F- the Final Solution.
I really don’t know who angers me the most, the sheep or the bastards behind the fear porn diet.
Take no notice of the stats., trust in proven medical science eg herd immunity aka natural immunity. but the bastards are deleting/fact checking that.
They deserve to rot in Hell.
I sit by the river and wait for the corpses to pass.
If not in this world, then surely the next, justice will prevail.
Hope he can source more care workers for his sake. Is Cabinet and Parliament going to be just for double vaxxed MPs?
Sajid Javid has really bought into the approved narrative. Please someone buy him an immunology textbook. His experts are lying to him and he has so little knowledge he won’t see it.
Isn’t it Raab who had the great idea of letting prisoners out to drive fuel tankers? Maybe they can use criminals to staff the care homes too.
I wonder who will take the blame when the elderly swamp the NHS due to failure of care homes. You can bet your life they will try to blame people for refusing the vaccine, not Javid.
Wherever the blame ends up, there will be blood on his hands.
If these people cared about blood on their hands, they would not be taking offices. We’re just talking about sociopaths playing their favorite game, which is to amass power over other people and hurt them for personal pleasure.
Many Councils have a team of people whose job is to ‘support’ care/nursing homes in their region even if they’re private, and to manage the welfare of residents if/when something bad happens – it used to be they stepped in when a care home was at risk of being restricted or closed by the CQC. It would be interesting to see how they would respond to FOIs concerning their strategies for the sh*tshow that will kick off on 11th Nov (interesting choice of date dontcha think!)
Replacing medicine and science with witchcraft and authoritarianism.
Never ends well, but can last quite a while.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
THE SCIENCE HAS SPOKEN. MASS VACCINATION HAS NO EFFECT ON REDUCING NUMBER OF “CASES”, ON THE CONTRARY..
From Telegram, Robin Monotti, Mike Yeadon channel
wow!
Listen to desperation in his quote. Trying imitate Biden are we with your “losing patience” stance? Oh, boo hoo! Just for the record Savage Jabbit, it’s those who HAVE BEEN BOTHERED to look into what this “vaccine ” does that had made them NOT WANT IT! As I pointed out in my comment in another article, they sent me a letter practically telling me their vaccine isn’t up to much!
We are losing patience too, Jabbit. Your time of reckoning can’t come soon enough.
You hit the nail squarely on the head there Helena. Every COVID vaccine sceptic with whom I have spoken is very well informed, whereas those in favour of vaccine mandates are usually very ignorant of very basic facts.
Correct…………….I find the Pro Vax lobby the thickest people on planet earth when discussing the subject. I should know because I used to be one!! That changed last year when I threw an ‘anti vax’ jibe at someone. Instead of being angry that person challenged me to research jabs and prove that ANY had actually worked. I found none of the major jabs had control groups involved, and were introduced a long time AFTER mortality for the disease had decreased naturally. A prime example is measles which in 1900 had a mortality rate in the UK of 1,250 per million. By the early 1960s when the widespread jab programme was introduced it was BELOW 5 per million, and subsequent decreases were negligible. As Edward Kass MD Ph.D said in the mid 80s ‘beware of giving credit to the wrong god’
Absolutely right about Measles. I read years ago that it was already on the wane when the vaccine appeared. My young children caught it one after the other but because I didn’t work outside the home i was able to care for them, and I’m satisfied that their immune systems are all the stronger from having had all the childhood diseases, the only exception being German Measles because of its own unique problems of infecting pregnant women.
I went to a homoeopath for a whooping-cough vaccine, and my kids were two of just a few who didn’t succumb to a local epidemic, even though they played a lot with children who went down with that virus.
Perhaps you mean very well misinformed. The very basic fact is that the vaccine significantly reduces chances of hospitalization in the period of several months after 2nd dose (contrary to analyses by our beloved Dr. Jones). Another basic fact is that adverse effects from actually catching covid-19 are about 100x more likely than adverse effects of the vaccine. Taken together these two basic facts, along with your age group, are enough to make an informed decision about vaccination.
Just following the script
It seems he and the government don’t read medical papers, least of all the foreign medical authorities one.
The German PEI has recently deleted its statement that the vaccines protect from severe disease.
And that statement had already replaced the original one, which stated that they would prevent or reduce significantly infection.
The current one is just some meaningless waffle about them providing possible prophylactic treatment effects, no mentioning at all anymore about what could only be the reason for any mandate like Javid’s, namely reduced infection or infectiousness.
And that is also confirmed by the CDC and its and others recent similar viral load confirmations.
These vaccine mandates, and in particular those for HC staff, are therefore the very opposite of ‘following the science’ and the very opposite of being in the name of and favourable for public health.
But they all know that, of course.
And will one day be held to account for it.
“It seems he and the government don’t read medical papers”
You seem to oscillate between realism and naivety.
This has never been about medical reality.
What is your source for the claim “German PEI has recently deleted its statement that the vaccines protect from severe disease”? All I could find on their website are the outdated 95% claims from trials, but that’s exactly the opposite of “deleting the statement”.
Javid is indeed a vile piece of scum. But, working with a volunteer staffed Union supporting Care Home workers, my observation is by far the more vile pieces of scum are the minority of HR Managers in the larger Care Homes who seem to take great pleasure in refusing to accept Certificates of Vaccine Exemption issued under a robust audit system that absolutely complies with the amended Health & Social Care Act 2008 ( Regulated Activities )Regulations 2014 s12 (3)(b)(ii) ( clinical reasons for not being vaccinated )coming into force in 5 weeks time. The majority of Managers in the Care Homes, over 90%, are decent and reasonable and recognise who the need to accept this evidence. The minority fit perfectly into the category of kapos and those who willingly denounced others to the Gestapo in Nazi Germany and other regimes since. Their names are known; they will not be forgotten.
We’ve got a bot on here, or a member of the 77th brigade who goes down the comments, downvoting each one. Downvoting is the coward’s way out. If you want to disagree with a comment, at least have the guts to say why!
See what I mean?
I wondered if it was Sajid Javid himself and some of his friends! If so, he has two friends!
I just upvoted your comment. At the same time, a downvote appeared.
Same when I just upvoted yours. What’s the betting I now get a downvote?
Can’t see one yet, Tom. Bide your time!
Sure enough – I got one in the end
Yup – wondered where all the downticks came from – apart from those to rayc
Simple to sort – get the moderator to list all those who tick, up or down…..
Clearly most people don’t or you’d have comments with about 100 or 200 replies sometimes. I don’t think it’s particularly a problem if people don’t always give reasons for a down vote or up vote, it’s not like it’s libelous or anything. and people may think it’s obvious why they agree or disagree with a comment. Anyway, there will always be people who do this without giving a reason, just the way it is. I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it, I certainly don’t.
And besides if people did as you suggest, the upticks and downticks feature would be redundant. If it was up to me, I probably wouldn’t have the feature, I worry that it can be used as a way of shutting down debate and I very much want to hear people’s views whatever people might think of them, but I understand why they have it. a quick way of getting the general view on a subject or assertion.
I thought for a while it would be interesting to show upticks and downticks rather than just the net number, but now I’m beginning to wonder…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYWOFo6SFM&ab_channel=CeefaxTwin
You got to fight for what you want,
For all that you believe.
It’s right to fight for what we want,
To live the way we please.
As long as we have done our best,
Then no-one can do more,
And life and love and happiness
Are well worth fighting for.
And we should never count the cost,
Or worry that we’ll fall.
It’s better to have fought and lost
Than not have fought at all.
Let’s always take whatever comes
And never try to hide.
Face anything and anyone
Together, side by side.
You got to fight for what you want,
For all that you believe.
“The Flashing Blade”
The Flashing Blade as in the 1970s French TV series? 2 heroes, was one called Gidou? Who was the other?
Used to love that when I was a child. Must get the dvd and watch again.
I was thinking of those lyrics the other day.
Assuming that a virus is the cause of Covid, then given that one can still be infectious if vaccinated, then this has zero rational justification.
As with all of the Covid theatre, this is now a religion where one is expected to show fealty by masking, taking vaccines and believing that Covid is Armageddon.
Enough is enough.
Sorry you missed out anti-social distancing.
all of this crap is still being practised in Scotland I believe.
I’d to see that bastard personally explaining to one of my friends that him developing Guillaem-Barre syndrome after his first dose, which was I believe the AZ vaccine, was the right thing to
do. That brings it home to you. What a bastard!!!
Maybe we need some “look him in the eyes” ads for vaccine injuries
That’s an excellent idea PT – like it!
What an ignorant arse. No respect for conscientious objectors. And even by his own self-serving standards he is cooking up a shortage of care workers in an already beleaguered sector.
What an unmitigated ignorant arse.
”he is cooking up a shortage of care workers in an already beleaguered sector.” maybe that is part of the plan, collapse the care home sector as a prelude to a new cheaper approach. If people suffer in the interim they can blame those selfish un-vaccinated care home workers. If that works they can then try it on the NHS.
Klingon warrior Worf, before fighting what seems like a hopeless battle against the seemingly invincible Borg:
“The Borg have neither courage nor honor. That is our greatest advantage“
I read his comments with shock.
Has he ever seen what a care home worker does. At minimum wage.
Nobody “wants” to do many of the things that they do.
This highly privileged politician is simply evil.
Cannot believe this is happening in the UK. Who is pulling their strings and why are they letting them
People who are in care homes, just want to be cared for they dont care who is doing and what their medical status is. Plus they removed them from critical care in hospital back to homes a few short months ago, because they needed the beds.
Unless we stand up for these care workers now, down the line these truants will be coming for us.
Other health care staff should really be supporting the care workers. Disgusted to read a piece in a medical journal where a doctor was saying how wrong it would be for the NHS to lose experienced doctors who chose not to be vaccinated. This is bigger than one profession.
Slimy, cupid stunt. I find it difficult to find more imaginative words for an ignoramus whose desert of a head can’t even support hair.A drone who you wouldn’t pay in bent washers, let alone trust with a job as essential as those of a carer.
Incredibly crass. Even if the vaccines did help reduce transmission a huge degree of sensitivity around the topic is required, especially by somebody in his role.
The fact that he should know that they don’t reduce transmission (as he probably does, assuming he’s seen the NHS adverts stating that you should take care around people even if you’d had the vaccine, as you can still pass Covid on; and he can learn the same from guidance from the manufacturers) just makes it even worse.
A resigning matter in any other time.
Resign? About as likely as Cressida Dick resigning.
If Javid cares about “the most vulnerable people in our country”, then everybody has to make a swab every single day, vaccinated or not, since both can and do infect.
At that point, it does not matter if the home care worker is vaccinated, dear Javid.
Git.
Back in the day, Norman Tebbitt was misquoted as saying ‘on your bike’ to the unemployed.
There’s no mistaking the malign impetus behind this character’s comment; he’s not even pretending to respect last year’s ‘heroes’- among them, potential voters.
I hope one day he burns with shame at the memory of what he has said.
Shame is something which many (probably most) politicians are incapable of feeling…
A ‘jab’ that does not make you immune, as verified by the manufacturer, allegedly it only makes your symptoms less, but it doesn’t stop you spreading it, how does this help the elderly in any way.
It clearly doesn’t, which completely exposes the flawed logic behind this insane and ihumane spouting by someone who seems to be even worse than Wancock. I never thought that was possible but I stand corrected. The elderly are just an inconvenient and irrelevant group for this fascist government.
From the Govt who killed tens of thousands of elderly care patients.
I think the word is ‘murdered’.
DavidC
I hope those who feel strongly about this hold out. This makes me wonder about other jabs, like my mother Oct 2017 who had her flu jab, was talking about christmas then had a heart attack 2 weeks later, the year of excess deaths, my uncle and SIL both had covid jabs then a few weeks later, uncle died with a stroke SIL, who had dementia died soon after getting her jab. All very depressing.
Not only depressing but very sad.
“cannot be bothered”
Ugh, what disgusting, dismissive language towards some of the hardest working people out there.
I used to adnire Sajid but he managed to get captured by the health establishment within a week of taking office.
He is suppposed to challenge them and lead them – he might be well advised to read the pieces on this website about the (lack of) vaccine efficacy against getting the disease.
And I think I read the other day a peer reviewed academic paper is shortly to make the same point but with the addition of the failure to reduce the risk of passing the disease on
What I really want to know is; Who is the one person who puts a thumbs down on each of these valid posts? Is the now only one 77 Brigade operative left in this forum?
Maybe it’s the bald bastard himself who reminds me of ‘The Hood’ he wasn’t nice either:-))
What about care home residents who would prefer to be looked after by “unvaccinated” people? And come to think of it, what about people who are getting paid for looking after frail family members? Will they be affected?
What an appalling state of affairs. No care home worker was threatened with the sack if they chose not to get the yearly flu. It seems to me if you look a little deeper that this Government, working for the eugenicists, are looking to kill all the vulnerable and their carers. Jab done, job done. No need for care homes. Next year the hospitals and the nurses.
His misstatement needs answering. He actually thought they COULDN’T…be bothered when exactly the OPPOSITE was true?
How can any smart man not know those injected make endless SPIKE PROTEINS?
How could any person not know the body ejects these SPIKE PROTEINS to protect the person?
Assuming the injected person remains WELL, doesn’t get serious symptoms, they SHED Spike proteins on others.
Thus, do not let INJECTED workers near the elderly.
There’s plenty of evidence. If you agree to read, ŕeply, we can send.
Send to many.
But they , apparently, only make the (?S1?) spike protein of the Alpha variant, ignoring all the other antigens of said variant, and do nothing to impact the equivalent spike protein of the Delta variant – hence the fear expressed by Virologists/Vaccinologists of the potential disaster of the “leaky” nature of this jab – which explains the vast increase in infections in vaccinated and now there being no statistically relevant difference between jabbed and unjabbed ( to that is what I understand as a on scientist) . So how on this earth will a booster jab based on the same cocktail give ANY benefit – OK I think I know what folks will say…..
sorry – “vaccinated”.
Remember the “hero’s” we all lauded over.
Well seems they’re not “hero’s” any more are they.
“Refuseniks”, where did he get that from.
How about people with a conscious making considered decisions which are right for them.
He’s a disrespectful tosser, just like ths rest of ’em.
What a nasty clown Javid is. If anybody needs keeping away from the ill and old it’s the vaxxed. The programmes they’ve been duped and bullied into taking produce toxic spike proteins..
But Javid rolls along with the Great Reset agenda – in fact, he clearly relishes the power it gives him. At least, we now know who he really is. The mask has come off types like him.
“simply “cannot be bothered” to join in with the roll-out.”
You disgusting little man. These “refuseniks” have actually probably “bothered” to look at the facts and done their research before making a considered informed decision as to whether to take an experimental gene therapy treatment which has been rushed out at breakneck speed without the usual safety measures and is killing and maiming people including children on a daily basis. They are also very brave people for standing up to institutionalised bullying on a grand scale, they should be saluted not condemned.
As for you you Sajid Javid – well hopefully the correct punishment awaits.
So this is how a Minister of State talks about Care Workers? Is he trying to talk tough, like Biden-ha,ha?
I suggest that, probably, it is the vast majority of jab recipients who cannot “be bothered” to question the enforcement of a novel therapy, nor research the contents, effects and results of this drug who are the problem.
Obviously, this man has not “bothered” to do the research either- he probably thinks it is not a requirement of his job.
Spot on.
Excellent comments here – our shower of a disgusting, depraved government, and our vile so-called health secretary, are fully deserving of the venom spat at them in this thread.
As I recall, I’ve only ever had one post moderated on this site. A few months back when Johnson and Hancock announced this disgusting policy I used a four-letter word to describe them, and suggested that through history people had been hung, drawn and quartered for far less crimes than these two were committing.
The post was taken down for the four-letter word. And when I reposted without that word it was taken down again for the hung, drawn and quartered allusion.
Good to see that word used many times here, and the same sentiments concerning historical punishments. And no moderation.
Dare they moderate these comments now, after so many people have posted them and they’ve stood for so long, and got so many upticks?
We shall see. But hopefully even the purveyors of this site – who should know but who at times I suspect do not – will come to understand the level of the anger out there about this vile, depraved government and the evil individuals who perpetrate such policies.
God only knows where this ends. But we didn’t start it.
I think Javid, Johnson and the rest of the tribe have clearly never visited a care home, never had to have a carer go to any of their relatives houses. Javids words if you want to cook, for them, feed, them, put them to bed. I note he makes no mention of take them to the toilet, wash them, clean them up. Does he really think people on a minimum wage that this is their dream job?
The complete arrogance and misreading of the situation in his words “can’t be bothered” I interpret this as he believes the people who are carers, who are on minimum wage have to do the job because they are thick and poor and so could not possibly have formed an opinion based on facts that the experimental, unlicensed, unfit for purpose product is for them,
So in summary Javid has along with Johnson created a situation where once more the elderly are sacrificed on the altar of political careers, the elderly and disabled will be the onse who suffer, along with their families. Not Mr Javid, not Mr Johnson.
This is all too representative of politicians around the world such as Biden, Macron, Draghi who are so drunk on power, and who need to demonstrate that they have complete and total control over their country that they will brook no oppostion, and that they will use every device to the point of impoverishing and killing people in order to demonstrate complete control.
These are not humane people they are dishonest and dnagerous,
Spot on Hester, well said.
DavidC
Remember the hospital staff making dance routines & folks clapping for them ? Where are the dance routines now ? Now that they know the scums will throw them all under tyranny buses ?? Remember these dishonest politicians ! Remember them well!
& the public language is changing
Just on a similar note a teacher friend yesterday told me that 2 unvaccinated support staff at her private school are not allowed in the staffroom or the dining room and have to eat their lunch in their classrooms
One would think that even people in the majority would find such discrimination within their own workplace absolutely unacceptable, in a civilised country.
Well, one would have thought that prior to the mass hysteria from March 2020 onwards.
These useful idiots never have been, nor ever will be civilised.
Woke teachers aren’t hypocritical bigots, are they?
The idea is that they brazenly walk into the staff room, sit down and begin munching lunch. If the ‘vaccinated’ are so concerned they’ll catch the virus they will all leave and eat lunch in their own classrooms.
Frankly, it’s much safer for the unvaccinated to steer well clear of the clotshot dummies. I’d paint a bl00dy great white ‘X’ on the staffroom door!
Anyone who still believes this farce is about protecting public health rather than furthering the the aims and objects of the Great Reset and the “green” agenda needs their brain scraping.
100%
It really bothers me that he can come out with this when it is known that the jab does not prevent you catching the ‘virus’ or passing it on. On the face of it the government’s stance does not make sense.
Sajid Javid will soon live to regret that abysmally uncaring comment.
Talentless, low IQ, EVIL Rothchild puppet…..Nuremberg 2 awaits you
Let’s add ”unqualified” to the list.
Get jabbed and you are definitely a spreader of the alleged virus by the Jabba’s own admission. Jabby spreaders will be working “with some of the most vulnerable people in our country.” People who have themselves all had the jab.
Where is the logic?
Why is no one asking this?
FFS!
Gibraltar, Malta, Iceland, Belgium, Singapore, Israel and the UK, of course, all exhibiting higher incidents of the Wuflu overall than at any time since this began, predominantly amongst the vaccinated who are dying at almost twice the rate of the unvaccinated.
India, Japan and S. Korea which favour early intervention with Ivermectin etc. barely feature at all.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/high-recorded-mortality-in-countries-categorized-as-covid-19-vaccine-champions-increased-hospitalization/5757173
This ‘health secretary’ doesn’t have a clue about medicine and science.
Bit like his predecessor Midazolam Matt
This ‘health secretary’ doesn’t have a clue
about medicine and science.Another ‘health secretary’ with no experience or qualification in ‘health’ or ‘social care’.
What a pity it is that we have no Rand Paul of our own who could grill him on his arrogant pronouncements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_Dm3pj3dQ
So we’re still all OK with the ‘climate change’ yarn?
Dedicated care staff who want to maintain bodily autonomy under the Nuremberg code, just being tossed aside like the worthless piece of shit this useless moron is. He’s the one who should get a new job although no one in their right mind would employ him.
That’s right Mr Javid, help the care and nursing homes just like Matt Hancock did by sending old people back to care homes even if they had Covid, locking them down and then buying a massive amount of Midazolam for said homes to ‘help’ with the old peoples’ ‘recovery’.
PoS.
DavidC
Perhaps the sales of Midazolam will go up again – at least the manufacturers who will coin it in will be pleased.
Sorry Sajid, you are an ass. When you have no home care workers left because they chose to not be jabbed with an experimental biological, I sure hope you and your gang are well versed in manual lifting, toileting, feeding and caring for ALL the people now being looked after by home care workers. It is back breaking work which for someone who is office bound, this could prove to be difficult, but hey you only have yourself to blame MANDATING an experimental biological with minimal safety and efficacy data and NO long term safety and efficacy data. I am so ashamed of people like you who make rules they wouldn’t force their own family to follow. One day you will apologise to all the home care workers whose lives you are personally responsible for ruining. It will be too late, but in this instance sir, you are making a very big mistake.
Then do write to him directly, because I doubt very much that he’s reading this on a Sunday afternoon.
The camera never lies – just look at his eyes – the face of an out and out liar , knowing he is telling a bucket full of lies.
”…you are working with some of the most vulnerable people in our country…” He may as well have added: ‘‘who’ve all been vaccinated, of course, and anyway none of MY family need to use those downmarket places, as we’re rich, so we don’t actually care about you peasants….”
Slap head CUNT !!!!!!!!….,,