We are starting to get a better picture of what the Government means when it says vaccine passports will be required at ‘large events’. Reports this morning suggest that ministers are set to impose Covid vaccination checks on those attending football matches, concerts, conferences and more – but the wider hospitality sector is likely to be left out of the scheme for now. The Mail has the story.
Boris Johnson announced plans in July to make double vaccination a “condition of entry” for nightclubs in England because of fears that they could become Covid hotspots.
But ministers will meet next week to discuss extending the requirement to a string of other “mass events”, the Mail has learnt.
Although final decisions have not been taken, a Whitehall source said the plans were likely to be “very similar” to those unveiled by Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland this week.
The SNP leader said vaccine passports would be mandated for all unseated live events attracting more than 500 people indoors or 4,000 outdoors. All events with audiences of more than 10,000 would also be covered, whether seated or not.
A Whitehall source said precise audience caps might vary in England but the types of events covered was likely to be the same.
The rules would make Covid passports mandatory for most big sporting events, as well as music concerts, festivals and some exhibitions. Sources said large theatres could also be covered.
But in a concession to Tory MPs, the Government is expected to rule out imposing the new system on the wider hospitality sector for now, meaning pubs and restaurants will escape.
The move will put ministers on collision course with more than 40 Conservative MPs who have pledged to vote against any plan for vaccine passports. It will require legislation, meaning there will be a crunch vote in the Commons. …
A Whitehall source said: “The evidence is that certification can help put a bit of control around an event and provide reassurance.
“Everyone understands the concerns around freedoms but we may be in a situation this winter where the alternative is more closures and economic damage to sectors that have suffered hugely already.”
Sources also suggest some affected businesses such as the Premier League, exhibition organisers and West End theatres have expressed interest in using vaccine passports to provide greater reassurance to customers.
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When you think long and hard about what possible justification there is for vaccine passports and still can’t think of any – even a reason you disagree with – you know this is not about “keeping you safe”. There’s definitely an agenda.
The Royal Opera House is investigating introducing ‘certification’ for its performances; guess I’ll not be going there again, or any other theatre for that matter in future.
I did, forcibly, tell them what I thought and got, as you would expect, an anodyne reply; but at least they know the consequences of following government diktat.
No doubt ‘smaller’ venues – like pubs and clubs – will follow.
When the vaccines are an utter failure, efficacy negligible, can anyone explain the need for a vaxx passport. How much has been spent on this nonsensical, idiotic gov’t ploy. Surely this money could be spent on? Primary care, the frail etc
Presumably when they realise that there is nil impact from vaccine passports (because vaccinated still transmit the same as unvaccinated – which they know already), they’ll decide their use has to be widened to all “settings” – so pubs. restaurants, retail, public transport etc etc etc That process will take some years to ramp up and will only stop when people decide they want it stopped. But with 90% of people (apparently) vaccinated, I doubt there’ll be much opposition. And by then people will have forgotten this was all due to a disease which isn’t all that serious for most people.
I struggle to find words sufficient enough to express the visceral hatred towards those running this. Hatred is not nice but these bastards deserve everything that is coming to them, albeit sadly not on this earth, but one can hope.
Don’t forget that this is NOT about health.
I think there will be about 10% – 20% refuseniks, which will be about 5 million of fighting age.
I wait with bated breath to see what the future brings.
Hold the line.
How about this for an interesting twist on vaccine passports…
Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar has said his party will oppose the Scottish Government’s vaccine passport plans for nightclubs and large events.
I bet Starmer has a different view?
Those who go to these events are going to have to fight for their rights. One way is to boycott these venues until the ‘policy’ is changed. But most people cannot delay ‘self gratification’ not dissimilar to all the idiots who took the jab because ‘they wanted to go abroad’.
What a tosser you are, assuming that your views on other peoples’ behaviours are fact. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.
Greetings from Menorca 😎
People always make me smile when they get derogatory…obviously hit a nerve. ‘Happy Days’ wherever you are 🙂
Once the ‘vax pass’ idea gains acceptance that is the end of Western liberal democracy. Any other information the govt. would like to know about the holder of the pass app may be added later such as tax status, travel allowance, restricted area access etc. My MP has signed a pledge not to vote for the introduction of a vax pass – has yours?
My MP is also against them.
Vaccine passports will provide reassurance to customers.
What!!!! which numnuts dreamed this up? I for one do NOT need any reassurance to attend any place of entertainment.
guess i am no longer allowed to take any responsibility for my own safety!!
this sh1tshow just gets worse.
It’s not as if people need “reassurance”, try getting a ticket for a top football match or festival, it’s impossible, they sell out immediately without any restrictions. It’s not as if people are hiding at home and Man City v Man Utd has an empty stadium. How stupid do they think we are?
This move will start a kind of ‘vaccine apartheid’, shutting out everyone who can’t or does not want to be vaccinated. With evidence now showing the decreasing effectiveness of vaccines it’s also a dangerous and pointless exercise.
There will be no ” crunch vote”, as Labour M.P.s love the draconian measures, so there will be no significant opposition to Johnson’s plans. This dystopian nightmare will continue indefinitely, unless enough of us wake up. The end of furlough may shake a few more out of their slumber, but I doubt it will be enough to kick-start the much needed public revolt.
Oh how daft anyone who thinks this will go away.
Vaxx pass isn’t about getting your so called vacci es. It’s about controliing you.
Won’t be long till a large venue will inude polling stations. Then you will have to vote by mail in ballot which we all know are rife for fraud.
End of freedom confirmed
So this is not about the virus then is it – I mean a vaccinated person is just as likely to catch and pass on the virus at a concert or a football match – as much as a non-vaccinated person – why can’t people catch and spread the virus at supermarkets or gymnasiums or pubs? So this begs the question – just why is the government determined to create divisions within society unless it is deliberately doing so in order to coerse people into taking an experimental vaccine – there is certainly something more sinister going on here than meets the eye.
This is a very sinister and tyrannical government that needs to be removed immediately.
A ‘large’ event: two or more people meeting for more than 30 seconds.
Take your pick. It’s Agenda 21, or Agenda 30.
Never, ever, believe this is about ‘health’.
Direct democracy.
If we all say no, this will crumble.
Enough is enough.
Nope. I still don’t get it. Can someone explain the logic of vaccine ID cards to me? Surely, if you want ‘reassurance’ you get yourself pricked, and if you don’t get yourself pricked you’re not bothered. Pricked people can pass on the Wuhan Lab Flu just like the unpricked, and can still get infected. So how the hell are these ID cards supposed to work? I’ve struggled with it, but I just can’t see it. What’s it all about (Alfie)?
Football season has already started, Concerts have been held with no halt, most recent Reading. As usual that make the action taken as being too late.
Maybe they will introduce it in time for the round of party conferences? Hopefully for COP26 too
A colleague’s offspring went to Reading and tested positive on the way out. Oops. Funny aside – when discussing it, they are very indignant about said positive result because ‘we’ve been so careful and followed all the rules’… As if the lurgy is essentially like Santa Claus (or at least all the original Xmas stories in which bad children got eaten or something)
They didn’t get what they wanted out of concerts, festivals and football so they picked on Boardmasters and fudged the test results… Cornwall Council fully on board cos they dont like the extra tourists. I’ll bet everything will be justified by referencing only that festival.
Perhaps it’s time to ditch the Trojan Horse that is the smartphone? Surely we can live without them again because we won’t be ‘living’ with them that’s for sure.
Indefensible, when they know full well the “vaccines” don’t stop you getting or transmitting the virus.
“Everyone understands the concerns about freedoms…..” Clearly they don’t.
Let’s all remember how they had no plans to introduce vaccine passports until they had plans to introduce vaccine passports. Let’s all also remember that government refused to make it a criminal offence for MPs to mislead the public.
This is not a democracy any longer. This is a dictatorship, making up edicts as they go, refusing to relinquish power. This is what people fought against and gave their lives to stop in World War 2. This is why most countries in Europe went out in the streets for in 1989. This is why they tore down that damn wall. It seems like our political class is no longer afraid of its people, and that they forgot what happened just a few decades ago.
Why would they be afraid of people when they keep being bombarded with polls claimed to show that whatever the WHO wants, the people want as well? I mean, the polling industry has certainly greatly improved its crystal balls since Theresa May’s landslide victory and Corbyn’s better-than-respectable election performance. It surely can’t be that they still produce the results the people calling the shots want and that reality disagrees but remains voiceless.
The Boris of Britain will understand that he’s not a popular champion once people start throwing stuff at him whereever he shows up.
Well, yes, a damned wall indeed – but I think the other side were correct in suggesting it was to keep the West out. And, of course, with no wall there, our politicians have rushed to take us through the no-longer existing wall!
Why isn’t anyone stopping the mad dictator Johnson? Where is the opposition? Why aren’t senior Conservative Party members having a chat with him? Where is Sir Graham Brady and the 1922 Committee? Where is the Labour Party? The Liberal Democrats? Where have they all gone? This country has turned into a de-facto one party state.
I’m sure that when the right opportunity presents itself Johnson will be gone
You have to stop looking to our institutions for a solution. They are corrupt and the system is completely broken.
In fact it.is all those institutions that have created and continue to push for a new authoritarian system.
The people are the way out of this. Most don’t want any of this totalitarian crap. They are waking up and stirring. I can’t tell you how long it’s.going to be, but the current system is over and something else will take its.place.
Our prayer group wrote a letter to Welby in late July asking him to make a public statement to the effect that ‘Vaccine Passports’ would never be introduced to gain entry to churches, cathedrals, chapels and so forth.
We received a mealy-mouthed response.
Here is part of the response:
‘The Church has adopted a clear policy of encouraging people to be vaccinated, but, other than in very exceptional circumstances, it would be difficult for it to justify limiting access to church services or organisations on the basis of vaccine passports. Such an approach would run contrary to the principle of the Church being a home and a refuge for all. Similarly, only in exceptional circumstances is the Church likely to utilise ‘vaccine passports’ should they become available in order to facilitate additional services to its members or to the wider community, preferring to continue to emphasise existing mitigations.’
It will be interesting to see if there is ANY pushback from ANY church leader about this.
Personally, I do not think there will be a single squeak, apart from here and from the ‘Irreverends’.
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You are forgetting that organised religions are all about control and the enrichment of the high priests. We already have a’new church’ it is the church of Covidianity. The old religions will have to absorb the concepts of Covidianity in order to maintain their exalted status, wealth and control. There will be weekly services in the repurposed churches during which the commandments will be recited (indistinctly, through face masks): “thou shalt wash thy hands for 20seconds. Sanitise at every opportunity. When two or more of you are gathered together thou shalt don the mask of protection etc etc”. Adherents will shuffle up to the alter, baring their shoulders for the weekly booster injection. The most pious will be seen out on the streets or alone in their cars still wearing their Mask of Protection and they will all wear a specific style of clothing which enwraps them entirely to prevent access of the virus but with one shoulder bare so that the scars of the weekly jabs can be displayed like a badge of honour to show how pious they are.
Been away from this site for a long time as I was starting to get very depressed. Will probably pee off again shortly for the same reason.
I just wanted to say I have done all I can to put my MP (the Home Secretary) on notice that I no longer consider her or the majority of the party to be Conservative. I have made the case very forcibly against lockdowns, mass testing and vaccine passports as have many on here. All to no avail, of course. I have begged the members of the Covid Recovery Group to do more than talk but they won’t. I know I’m not alone in any of this. I think we are royally screwed.
I find myself this morning thinking that if anybody is just waking up to this because their kids are about to be vaccinated without parental consent, well you’ve only got yourselves to blame for being so compliant so far and I have no sympathy. My boys are adults and I have no grandchildren yet so I’m alright Jack.
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The moment of truth approaches. They’re going to try it. We know they are. We’ve known for a long time.
Now we are going to find out whether we are heading for a Great Awakening or a long dark winter.
So if vaccines are claimed to stop transmission in nightclubs, etc what’s the difference with schools? By default, government should enforce vaccine passports in school children if they’re supposed to stop transmission as schools are high capacity venues.
I’d like to think there would be mass rebellion if they did this (I suspect they will soon) but based on the past 18 months of pathetic supine submission I expect the bed wetting vaccine loving public won’t bat an eyelid.
There’s no way out of this bar violent rebellion unfortunately
There is no longer a claim that these treatments prevent transmission
Time to say “NO” folks, and really mean it. Let those organisations and clubs who want this proto-digital ID scheme go bust.
Large events?
That’ll be COP26 then, can’t wait to see them all queueing in the rain to get their ‘passports’ checked.
Won’t happen of course, which is why every other bugger should ignore it too.
Tory MP’s must fight this. We should all write to our MP’s warning that if they vote for this measure they will lose our support in the next election regardless of anything else they may do.
I must have informed my MP of exactly that a dozen times in the last 18 months. He doesn’t care he has a large voting population made up of sheeple and he knows it. The man is a complete and utter arrogant tosser.
The voting population supporting him may be.large as a proportion of the total voting population.
But the people not voting for him outnumber those voting for him. And that is pretty much the case for most if not all the elected representatives.
Our system is a joke. It was tolerable while the rulers didn’t aspire to dictate every aspect of our lives. But now that they’ve decided impose totalitarian rule, the system is finished.
Our choice now is to join the swelling numbers of the awakened or cling to a dying past.
Just like mine. Doesnt even bother to reply to me. Arrogant little wanker.
I have natural B and T Cell immunity and am not prepared to risk my health with an experimental jab and yet I’m not allowed into all the major gigs I have tickets for even though I am no threat to anyone and yet the dirty vaccinated who can pass this mild virus onto someone else are allowed in.
The world has gone mad.
Spot on. Have you tested for said immunity? How do they do it and how much does it cost (compared to, say, lockdowns, a course of jibjabs and a national health pass system)? A useful line of argument if such tests can be shown to be valid, I think, though logical, and therefore likely to be ignored or shouted at.
There’s no point asking for a T cell immunity test until the government states that it is valid as part of their horrendous idea of “health passports”.
Which they won’t, obviously. I had covid long ago and expect I am still immune, so are all those “cases” who actually had the disease. This amounts to millions. I suspect being jabbed would actually reduce our immunity.
Some people still have immunity from SARS 18 years ago.
One woman had natural immunity from the Spanish Flu 80 years later.
If they’re going to do this they need to have a robust definition of what level of vaccine effectiveness against infection and onwards transmission (the only things that matter in this context).
They need to tell us exactly how good the vaccines need to be to make this policy worthwhile.
And they need the evidence to come from multiple sources and independent appraisal, not just the government scientists (who will have a bias).
But, of course, they won’t do this, as they know that the vaccines are worthless in terms of population-wide protection from covid infections, and might even be making this worse than if they’d done nothing.
Actually, they have created the perfect scenario for vaccine passports.
If they didn’t work, vax passports would be pointless.
If they worked really well, they would also be pointless.
The only scenario un which they have some justification is if the jabs work but wear off.
And what an AMAZING coincidence, that’s exactly what is being claimed about the jabs and the narrative that has been firmly established.
What a coincidence.
A few hundred million is a small investment by the pharmaceutical industry for the tens of billions in reward over the decades after vax passports are mandatory – and with greedy corrupt vermin in leadership roles its a kick in easy goal achieved – time to realise that the enemy are those claiming they are keeping you safe – they are in reality keeping their promised future huge pharma pay offs safe – this is the only thing they care about and are working to achieve!
One word: protests. Hundreds of thousands of people together. albeit outside but together, many hugging, singing, playing instruments, chanting…and no surges in so-called “cases,” actual illness, hospitalisation or death. But then the (non-government backed) protests aren’t covered by MSM (unless it’s to report the now drearily predictable, “clashes with police” theatre) so they didn’t happen, right?
There have been silent protests in Australia (and elsewhere I think). Just people standing there silently. It’s eery and very powerful. They can’t arrest you for just standing there doing nothing, surely?
In Australia, it sounds like they can arrest you for anything these days. Australia, leading the way in how to become a totalitarian dictatorship, with other so-called democracies looking on eagerly to see what they might also “get away with”.
The long term legacy of all this is not going to be greater state control but a great awakening. Millions are either reaffirming or waking up to the belief that governments and bureaucracy serve themselves not us.
They’ve overstepped the mark and know they cannot undo the damage so they’re going to double down, which will just make things worse for them.
It may take a bit of time, but it’s over for this form of government and state bureaucracy.
You, and disgruntled246 are right! We’ve been campaigning peacefully at major junctions in our town, holding up signs, talking to people who approach us, handing out leaflets…the overall response has been incredible. So many have said they have come to realise the true nature of this operation, so many have thanked us, and many now want to join us. So many have said that they are relieved they are not alone in their thinking. Yes, we’ve had some negative responses, some really vile, wishing us dead, but that just tells me how frightened these people have become, after being terrorised by the government and MSM and their peers. Now people are waking up and challenging the narrative, and being vocal and public about it, they are now having to face up to the choices they’ve made! They try to attack us, because maybe their conscience has been pricked. After all, if they were so confident of their opinions, and decisions they have made, they wouldn’t bat an eyelid at us “conspiracy theorists!”
That’s brilliant. Making your views visible to others will encourage many who are awakening. It’s a great thing you’re doing.