I’ve written a comment piece for Mail+ today about why the PM should shelve his plans for vaccine passports. I think that’s unlikely, given that Nicola Sturgeon has just announced Scotland will be introducing them for large indoor and outdoor venues later this month, but let’s hope Boris grows a pair. Here is an extract:
We now have strong evidence that the Covid vaccines don’t hugely prevent you getting infected or infecting others. If they did, Israel and Iceland would not currently be in the midst of their biggest waves so far. After all, both countries have been world leaders when it comes to vaccinating their populations against COVID-19, with 72.9% of Iceland’s population being double jabbed and 60.6% of Israel’s.
The number of daily Covid deaths in both countries is lower than it was in earlier waves, suggesting the vaccines reduce the risk of dying from the disease. But the early trial data suggesting they cut the risk of infection by more than 90% seems inaccurate.
Vaccine passports do not stop people in nightclubs from infecting each other, but they might lull customers into a false sense of security, persuading them to throw caution to the wind.
Another problem with Boris’s proposal is that the protection the vaccines give you starts to wear off after about six months, hence the Government’s recent order for 35 million booster shots from Pfizer. It’s one thing asking people to get double-jabbed in return for a vaccine passport, quite another to insist they’ll have to renew those passports by getting a booster every six months.
I doubt the NHS’s computer system would be able to cope. Earlier this week, more than 700,000 people were affected by technical glitches, meaning they weren’t able to download an NHS ‘Covid Pass’ in spite of being double-jabbed.
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I hope all the attendees and their entourages will be equipped with the appropriate ‘passport’ for COP26.
I can hear it now…. “they won’t be mixing with anyone else so don’t require one”, but that’s probably just a conspiracy theory eh?
Its a prime example of discrimination. The only difference between a “vaccinated” and an “unvaccinated” person is that the former are marked on a Government system as being obedient, the others are classified as disobedient to the regime. This has nothing whatsoever to do with health and everything to do with Government bodily control.
Same as masks, A signal of obedience.
Masks also helped share the scare and up the over-perception of risk from nuflu
Of course it is, it’s medial apartheid. That our Government should even be thinking about introducing them is morally reprehensible. But then again, it’s par for the course for the fat pig dictatorship.
In fairness, it’s not just our government. It’s every government, pretty much.
Yes, it’s the government, singular and global. Not the EU, not the UN, not even the WEF, but the Davos ghouls who own the lot of them.
I would agree if the fake vaccine only contained saline solution. I would also say that indeed this is about public health. Everything the government has inflicted on the public has had a terrible detrimental effect on health in every single way.
However, I agree that this about enforcing Big Brother obedience across society. It’s the social credit system currently used by Communist China.
My daughter has a theory that approx 60% of the vaccines are saline because if everyone was given the clotshot at the same time the side effects be even more noticeabl, the plan is that with each booster a further 30% will get the real thing, likewise with each subsequent shot.
Time will tell.
The logic is spot on. The timeline is to be ready for Agenda 2030.
What is to be made of this: Graphene Oxide Is the Main Ingredient in Covid Jabs, Says Former Pfizer Employee…
The global health bureaucracy is undeterred and will continue with its plan to roll out vax passports across the world unless it is actively stopped.
Global health bureaucrats aren’t asking whether populations want this, whether these schemes are consistent with existing laws. They are just getting on with it until they are stopped.
Politicians need to stop kowtowing to health officials and start defending basic human liberties.They are standing by as our basic human dignity and essential freedoms – including their own and that of their children – are being quickly stripped away.
Wakey, wakey.
Gove asked the Telegraph readership if they wanted it (in a pretentious attempt to look democratic) and was utterly blown out the water by a overwhelming rejection – until the 77th Brigade stepped in of course…
You could argue that what he did was just another example of the “demoralisation” phase used by totalitarians for decades to dominate their population. What could be more dispiriting for a population than to be asked their opinion and then watch it being blatantly ignored.
The. Snake. Oils.Don’t. Prevent. Infection. Full. Stop.
Vaxports are a way of convincing perforated zombies that the useless muck is giving them an advantage. That’s all.
Nope. They’re a way of getting zombies used to holding out ze digital papers, lowering their eyes, and begging some costumed goon for permission.
That’s all they’ve ever been designed to do, and they’ll creep and creep and creep from here until no further resistance or refusal will be possible.
Good article, sort of thing Boris might have written before he converted to communism
No. Not good at all – misses the fundamentals about apartheid yellow-star measures and settles for pragmatics.
Yep, maybe. People like us don’t need convincing, but I wonder if more effective at persuading people who haven’t really thought about it much but can’t see a problem with Vax passports.
Read the first comment under the next article to see the problem, and that’s a country with far more jab sceptics
I’m amazed that the secretary of the Free Speech Union should be placing weaselly pragmatic reasons at the head of the line of reasons of why ‘vaccine passports’ are a very, very bad idea.
Above all, they are simply an affront to civilised democratic society.
Get some ethical, principled grit instead of craven pragmatism. Totally arse-about-tit politically.
For all his undoubted good works, Toby is very obviously a pragmatics man rather than a principles one.
He adopts the same approach with regard to free speech. Confronted with attempts to silence “racism”, he never (as far as I’ve seen) adopts the principled approach (“a free man is entitled to express a “racist” opinion as much as any other”), but invariably goes for the safer, weaselly, pragmatic defence (“well, this speech wasn’t actually really “racist” in a bad way, though obviously if it were I wouldn’t be defending such reprehensible speechcrime”).
Same on the vaccines and lockdown, although he’s skated closer to principle on those issues I think. But even where he does raise principled objections in those cases, it’s pretty clear imo that it’s because he thinks it’s an effective argument in that particular case. Usually he seems in practice to view argument from principle as counterproductive (and that’s all that really matters for him).
I agree with these points and RickH’s.
Pragmatism has its place, but not with regard to the coronapanic and the removal of basic freedoms. It’s too easy for pragmatic arguments to be defeated by nonsense arguments now that the entire world has been terrorised by lying propaganda, at our expense.
In general I prefer pragmatic arguments (to some extent his preference for them and disdain for arguments from principle marks him out as a natural conservative – almost the highest possible political praise, in the late C20th/early C21st US sphere), but as you imply, they don’t work well against zealots, at least when the latter have control of the terms of discussion and have already established manipulative new norms.
As far as I know, pragmatism is a philosophy which originated in the USA at the end of the 19th century and basically claims that what is functionally right ought to be considered morally right. It’s naturally technocratic and completely fails to take into account that it’s usually impossible to get any two people to agree on what precisely is functionally right regarding any topic more complicated than basic math. The classic pragmatic credo would be the end justifies any means which is a radical standpoint and not a conservative one.
This contrasts with the more European/ Germanic notion that dishonourable means dishonor, that is, de-value, the person applying them, regardless of the end said person claims(!) to desire to achieve in this way. As the person is dishonourable, he/ she is probably lying about that, anyway.
There’s a difference between philosophical pragmatism and the way the word is used in modern English, though, to mean addressing things from a practical rather than theoretical perspective.
In theory there’s no difference between practise and theory
in practise there is.
If there’s a difference between theory and practice, then, the theory must be wrong.
Can we have that tattooed in mirrored writing onto the foreheads of the SAGE membership, please?
You mean, they’re practically the same?
‘Pragmatism’ as a philosophy suffers from the same flaws as most philosophical schools. It’s detached from reality
Unlike you fools he has something to lose and is hedging his bets to be able to run over to the other side when push comes to shove.
For once I agree with you. As to limits on free speech – proponents of racism are so obvious that they brand themselves as knuckle-draggers without further sanction or intervention.
Depends what you mean by “racism”, obviously.
Which is the core of the whole problem of racism and antiracism in our obsessed society, of course.
This is where humanity must make it’s stand. Well those that are made of the right stuff will.
No further, no more.
The humanity will make its stand as much as Russians did make their stand against Stalin. The direction is clear and it’s game over now. It will take decades if not hundreds of years for humanity to recover from the coup.
And look what they got in his place….with Putin the current incumbent, not forgetting the period when the Gulags were full.
Dead right. That’s exactly what I’m doing and I expect others to do the same!
Toby has your back… Honest.
Yup, that’s where he’ll stab us.
While true – these are very weak second order arguments to be leading off with. Even if the gene-therapy shots were 100% effective at preventing infection and spread, clotshot passes would still be fundamentally wrong (in addition to being pointless). What about the destruction of civil liberties and the right to medical privacy? It should be the responsibility of individuals to decide what risks to take with their own bodies – both with respect to the decision to take the clot shot – and also with respect to the decision to potentially expose themselves to the chance of infection. What’s wrong with a quick temperature test on the door? Surely the bogus claims of asymptomatic transmission must have been buried under a mass of evidence to the contrary by now.
Temperature tests are particularly pointless.
Unfortunately most people don’t care much about civil liberties, although maybe they care more about medical privacy. If you lead off with principles based arguments you’ll immediately get the reply back: “what about my liberty not to get infected with Covid?”.
There is a time and place for making the moral case, but generally that isn’t in a newspaper article aimed at the general populace.
That being said, the article was a bit weakly worded. You need to go in at 200% of the level at which you are happy to settle, Trump style. You should also directly ridicule and attack the character of the opposition. With Gove’s latest dancing expedition that shouldn’t be hard.
What about my liberty not to get infected with Covid?
Doesn’t exist. People are neither actively involved in acquiring viral infections nor in transmitting them: Both is beyond their responsibility. The Covidomats claim to be able to control the latter. But in practive, they’ve gone nowhere near the level which used to be utilized during the last Ebola epidemic and even that didn’t reliably protected nurses etc from getting infected.
People who are afraid of pathogens in community circulation have the liberty to remove themselve from the community. That’s their sole realistic chance of avoiding contact with them.
Agree. You don’t need to convince me!
And where exactly is your “mass evidence to the contrary” regarding asymptomatic transmission?
there is “mass evidence” of the absence of good quality peer reviewed evidence to support the theory of asymptomatic transmission. The onus is on your boys to prove existence, not the other way around.
Top notch response!
Although the asymptomatic spread of SARS-CoV-2 is very unlikely it isn’t impossible in the immediate pre-symptomatic stage of infection, within 24 hours of symptoms developing, but the crucial point is what symptoms define CoViD19?
The same is true for measles, where you are infectious some 24-48 hours before the confirmatory rash appears, but you’re likely to have a temperature and feeling unwell in that pre-rash period.
The same is probably true for influenza and a multitude of other infectious diseases, for example if you have norovirus then when are you considered infectious? Probably when the vomiting starts, but you could be infectious before then. The simple answer is that there is no meaningful way of determining when infectiousness starts.
There is one virus that infects 95% of all adults and 50% of children aged 5 across the world that can be spread asymptomatically and that is Epstein Barr virus. This virus causes infective mononucleosis (glandular fever), but not everyone develops the exact symptoms, particularly children. This virus is passed through saliva and other bodily fluids.
The error has been the presumption that there’s 100% asymptomatic spread and if you’re not showing symptoms then you should behave as if you’re infected and infectious. Also, it is the manufactured fear of this particular disease that is the problem, even if it were 100% asymptomatic transmission then the IFR would remain about the same.
Quite true, it is not up to those who see a particular theory as false to disprove it, it is up to the proponents to show that it holds water.
Problem is, this particular hare was started back in the mists of time and consequently has mythic status, despite being proved to be wrong by actually asking the alleged asymptomatic carrier whether she was actually ill when she flew from Wuhan to attend a conference in Germany where a number of attendees subsequently fell ill. She confirmed that she had had to take the usual run of potions for ‘flu’ because she was unwell. Another ‘black swan’ but as Churchill remarked “many people stumble over the truth, but pick themselves up, brush themselves down, and go on as if nothing had happened” or as we know it now, ‘that Tumbleweed moment’.
The problem also is that if all the hubbub about ‘variants of concern’ (more to do with the current vaccines being less effective) popping up every 6 months or so, it means any ‘booster’ jabs will likely only be truly effective (assuming the latest batch are more effective against the ‘Delta’ variant than the original lot) for a couple of months at best, as we’re due another ‘variant of concern’ within the next few months.
Then all the vaccinated will be effectively back to square one again, not much better (if at all) than the unvaccinated – many of whom may be better off via naturally-aquired immunity. Plus the vaccine passports will surely be rendered worthless, as surely they are should be to confer someone’s immune status (i.e. include people with natural immunity) and not how many jabs you’ve had.
A sort of never-mind-the-quality, fell-the-width approach is not a good one.
I still suspect tvaccine passports are being driven by people and firms/organisations that want no privacy (except theirs) and that can use all that data via social credit systems to further control us. Just the thin end of the wedge.
Great work continuing to push the message out!
Not sure I follow the logic here. Unless naturally acquired immunity has somehow been factored in, and numbers are still better than that?
Maybe the intention was to say that “as a proportion of recorded cases, the number of deaths is lower”?
Exactly. (a) Vast numbers have had Covid by now.
(b) It’s summer.
Many years ago now it was decided that some of the systems that we had at work weren’t quite good enough and not quite shiny enough to impress our clientele.
There was a new kid on the block that did have a very slick and shiny system, and it was decided that we should purchase that and bin our current systems.
Myself and a colleague did air the view that maybe we could just hire a couple of programmers for a year, to get our current systems up to scratch; after all, they weren’t that bad really. We are both of a quiet and techy disposition and were ignored.
Fast forward 5 years and millions of man hours have been wasted trying to implement the new system, and it still isn’t complete. It started off badly, only to get worse, but nobody ever felt brave enough to pull the plug.
At least in that situation the system did serve a valid purpose, which vaccine passports do not (moral arguments aside). The purpose of them is not to prevent Covid spreading. The purpose is to further the narrative and validate the effort that have been spent so far.
If we successfully put up resistance, then maybe the government can go with the story ‘we tried, but those bastards thwarted us’, which probably sounds better in their ears than ‘we were wrong all along and must now change tack’.
The purpose is to run a trial case and gain broad acceptance for the next step – the ID2020 initiative, a global electronic identity proof that you carry around everywhere. That’s what they (the ID2020 website) say themselves: vaxx passports are just a “forerunner application”.
The long term vision is full oversight and control of individual’s behavior through the state – because if you can easily (as in: electronic contact-less reading, no personnel required) check identities, you can also just as easily check and manage various permissions (just like with the vaxx passports).
This is intended to eliminate all social problems in advance before they occur under wise guidance of our (so-called) leaders, Minority Report style. Many people today very happily accept mass surveillance because they think it improves order and reduces crime (in China the entire population is trained that way from birth).
Indeed, the guy who gave ideas for Minority Report is today advising big consulting groups how to proceed. There’s even an interview with him on that very topic.
One objection might be that these ideas have been already tried in communist totalitarian states and have not worked out. However, the official agenda is that nowadays we have vastly superior technology (in particular AI) which allows to greatly reduce the cost of running such a totalitarian state, and can even implement an effective central redistribution system because the invisible hand of the market is no longer needed with sufficient data processing power (for example, Amazon is a successful totalitarian automated system for managing supply and demand). And so the opinion of our great leaders is that it is worth trying to push the world to adopt such a system because the (social) benefits outweigh the (individual) costs. Raising suicide rates and such do not matter, as reducing the population is a favorable goal in a world efficiently run not just by slaves, but also by bots, for the glory of the select few elites.
“The number of daily Covid deaths in both countries is lower than it was in earlier waves, suggesting the vaccines reduce the risk of dying from the disease.”
There are so many potential confounding variables there is no way you can make that assumption.
For starters, those who are most vulnerable to COVID-19 already died in 2020 before the vaccines arrived. So you would expect fewer deaths in a now less vulnerable population.
Bearing in mind seasonal flu type viruses die out in the summer months, this current ‘wave’ should see far fewer deaths than the winter ‘waves’. However, let’s compare last August, with it’s ‘Eat out to Help Out’ scheme enticing people into cafes and restaurants, few restrictions on travel with no testing, and of course no vaccines. 31st August 2020, one Covid death and 1,406 new cases. 27th August 2021, 100 Covid deaths and 38,046 new cases.
Can’t wait to see these marxists get what they deserve
No. It’s the exact same thing.
Once you’ve had one clot-shot, why would you refuse the second? After the second, what will be your objection to the third? Or the fifth? Or the fiftieth?
After you’ve lowered your eyes and held out your VaxPaz to some costumed goon, and begged the State for permission to go about your daily life, even once, for any reason, why will you not do it again, and again, and again?
At the nightclub, at the knocking shop, at the pub, at the restaurant, at Primark, at Tesco, until finally you’re swiping in and out of your own front door, and praying to Saint Greta that the green smiley face on your VaxPaz doesn’t change to an angry orange if you do or say or travel or buy or even think anything unpermitted.
There’s no nuance here, no sliding scale, no argument that we need to make VaxPaz easier and more inclusive.
If we accept this in any way, in any venue, for any duration, we become slaves forever, and the worst part is that we will enforce it on each other every single time we travel, work, recreate, transact or interact.
The “vaccines” appear to do FA as far as I can see, at least in terms of preventing covid, whatever that is. The only people I know who are or have been ill with “covid” (ie, with a positive pcr test – personally, I think it’s just the flu) in recent months have been “double vaccinated”. Meanwhile, I don’t know anyone who’s refused the experimental injections who has been ill. But I guess that’s just one more of those coincidences the government and MHRA keep going on about.
I’ll tell you one thing: if i end up in my death throes from the ‘Rona, I won’t be wishing i’d taken the shot – i’ll be wishing i’d taken that shitweasel Fauci with me when i still had a chance.
Hell yeah!
My experience precisely mirrors yours. All jabbed friends ill over summer with covid whatever that means and nearly all relieved they got jabbed or it could have been much worse. You couldn’t make it up.
They’ll fuckin know about it when they cop the next infection.
positions like the ones we’ve all got are getting much stronger as time goes on and I feel confident now to express absolute scathing criticism of the so called vaccines to anyone anywhere. they very, very obviously don’t work and also very obviously are harming people and not needed by hardly anyone. This gets clearer by the day.
Children’s Health Defence daily newsletter by Robert Kennedy Jr is out each evening. It is filled with so much clear information about Covid. In addition to the daily sceptic, there is also resources in TCW, Joel Smalley, The Hart Group, Pan Data, The Highwire Del Bigtree (every Thursday evening online), the FLCCC. Drs. Peter McCullough, Ryan Cole, Simone Gold, Pierre Kory, Clare Craig, Mike Yeadon and hundreds of others all basically saying the same thing about Covid mandates. I know who I am taking my advice from.
And UKColumn news, every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
This is a link to research into the company which will produce the UK vaccine passports . I have not spent time varifying it, but it is an extremely important part of the story, and a must-look-at for an investigative journalist. Should be published widely. I hope very much that this reaches Toby Young. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ByKbaT79NcAJ/
Odessa File writ very very large – which we know was entirely based on the truth. Where is the “Baader Meinhof” equivalent for the 21st century..?
It has never been about a virus. I’ll say it out loud because not many others will.
YOU ARE DUMB IF YOU THINK THIS IS ABOUT A VIRUS.
My native Scotland will soon be a copy-cat post-nationalist, gentrified, globalist built wasteland filled with more groups with which to battle between but if anyone is to say anything then it is “hate speech”.
1984 and Brave new World’s ugly love child. The former the stick the latter the carrot.
Scotland would have erupted at this before, just goes to show what has happened to us after 20+ years of terrible marxist ‘education’.
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