A reader has contacted us to tell us her shock upon discovering that the Christian organisation she supports, United Beach Missions, is requiring the people who participate as volunteers in its summer activities (many of them young people) to be vaccinated. Here, we publish her correspondence with them.
She first contacted them through a web form:
I was very concerned to see that you are requiring a vaccine for the beach mission. I presume you are unaware that all the current Covid vaccines are only possible because of abortion benefit, and that a number of Christians feel a moral obligation to avoid the vaccine. This article concerns the use of foetal cell lines in the production of the vaccines.
Furthermore, I personally have never known a vaccine to have caused such a quantity of adverse reactions or deaths. I base that on the Yellow Card scheme Government data and USA VAERS data. There are many doctors who are currently being censored who are saying it would be absolutely immoral for children or young adults to be coerced to take the vaccine. Safety trials do not finish until 2023 and there is no mid to long-term data on safety. I pray that the beach mission will not take this stance as we know a number of young people who would love to do beach mission and have done it in the past.
This was UBM’s reply:
Dear xxxx,
Thank you for your letter which we have read with interest.
I am sure you will agree that we are in very difficult days. The steps we have reluctantly taken have been done so with the best of intentions and prayerfully before the Lord.
They have been taken in line with the best Christian and medical advice available to us and with the overarching aim of keeping people safe. We are therefore asking those who come on teams this year to have had the vaccine with the aim of keeping others safe. The issue is the risk to people closely sharing living accommodation, and we are seeking to protect and care for people by limiting transmission, isolation and people getting long Covid. We have sought to minimise the risk as much as possible. We accept this is unlikely to be a perfect set of decisions but has been made after much prayer, consultation and discussion.
The stance of UBM on these ethical questions is very much in line with the churches from which our members come and in line with other Christian organisations. UBM is not pro-abortion and we have made this very clear in our teaching many times.
We accept that that vaccination raises important questions and we fully respect the conscientious objection of other believers in not taking the vaccine.
There are others however who in good conscience believe that to take a vaccine is the better pro-life decision: we trust that you can appreciate their position.
Ultimately we all have the same Lord to Whom we must answer.
We thank your for your support for UBM. We ask for your forbearance and prayers that we may be given wisdom and help in undertaking our mission this year.
Yours in Christ,
xxxx, xxxx
Her reply:
Dear xxxx and xxxx,
Thank you for your reply. I am sad to hear of the stand you have taken.
You state that:
“The stance of UBM on these ethical questions is very much in line with the churches from which our members come and in line with other Christian organizations”.
Will it now be standard practice for churches to demand a vaccine for entry, or to participate in evangelism, or to wholly partake in church life? If so, it seems the church, as she sadly has many times throughout history, is embracing segregation of the “clean” and the “unclean”. Those who cannot in conscience take a vaccine based upon abortion benefit are now “unclean” and are forbidden from fully engaging in church life. Is this not the Galatians heresy? UBM is the first I have heard of that has taken this stance.
However, I am even more concerned because of the safety profile of these vaccines and the fact it will be young people coming on your beach mission being coerced to take them to participate.
I met a young lady (aged 24) just last weekend who had been coerced to take the vaccine through her work. As a result, she has had a nonstop period for three months. My cousin was hospitalised with a blood clot after the vaccine. A lady at our church has a co-worker who has now been covered in a rash for months after the vaccine. Another lady at our church had her grandfather die within four hours of the vaccine and her grandmother was hospitalised within days of the vaccine. My mother has a cousin in America who died after the vaccine. This led me to start researching the safety profile of the vaccine by looking at the Government reporting sites such as the Yellow Card scheme. Here is a Government document listing reported adverse reactions and deaths from just the AstraZeneca vaccine in a one year period.
Notice “total reactions from the drug: 785,519” and “total fatal outcome reports: 983”.
For a comparison, here is a U.K. document listing the reported adverse reactions and deaths from the Pediacel vaccine (diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough) since 2000.
Notice “total reactions from the drug: 3013” and “total fatal outcome reports: 15”.
You can see in a period of one year in the U.K. the AstraZeneca vaccine has had dramatically more reported adverse reactions and deaths than the Pediacel vaccine has had since 2000 (though I believe the Pediacel vaccine became more widely available in 2010 so it would be more fair to say since 2010).
The inventor of the mRNA vaccine, Dr Robert Malone, discussed the ethics of the vaccine being given to young people in this interview.
“He talked intently on bioethics and whether it’s ethical to encourage the young (including children) who are currently healthy to take on the responsibility of being exposed to the risks associated with the vaccines in order to protect the vulnerable (the elderly and those with a compromised immune status). For him, the answer was a categorical, no – it’s not ethical.”
I don’t see how is it ethical to tell young people they may not fully participate in church life if they won’t risk their own health so as to protect us older ones? Isn’t that asking the young to potentially sacrifice their health for us? Shouldn’t we rather make sacrifices for the young?
I’m sure you’re aware that the vaccine companies have indemnity since the vaccine is authorised under emergency usage. Thus, if a young person has an adverse reaction they will get no pay-out from the company. I hope you will take full financial responsibility if any young person takes the vaccine purely to participate and has an adverse reaction?
I appreciate the gravity of the ethical dilemmas and also understand the media gives a very one-sided view. I pray that with this further information you might change your mind.
In Christ,
xxxxx xxxxx
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And…nothing will happen. Thats the way of the world now
Wrong. Something will happen.
This is all a giant set up ahead of the WHO pandemic treaty vote.
It paints politicians as clueless, corrupt, bad decision makers who can’t be trusted to follow good scientific advice.
Solution? Give the decision making power to a “qualified” body like, say, the WHO.
It’s a huge set up.
Correct. It’s all part of the decades-long process of building a One World Government.
Every single decision made by the WHO during covid was at best wrong and at worst led to draconian restrictions to public freedom for no benefit.
Yet there’s absolutely no way to bring these people to justice. The Covid pandemic should really result in the WHO being disbanded in its current form.
I will just add a slight correction to your final sentence:
The Covid pandemic should really result in the WHO being disbanded.
It’s one of a number of national and global agencies that do far more harm than good, that we would miss very little or not at all if they didn’t exist – and we’d have the money they cost to spend on things that are actually of benefit to people. Name an agency that, in its current form, does more good than harm.
I can’t disagree with that tof.
There must be hundreds of NGO’s worldwide which actually have severe adverse effects on human happiness, are wasting taxpayers money and simply provide notional employment to people who are at best only notional workers, the real useless eaters we might say.
OFCOM springs to mind.
WHO is mostly privately financed…. Back to those faceless rich patrons buying the implementation of their own nefarious agendas
Not quite so faceless Billy Goats being the main private contributor. 😡😡😡
Sorry to nit-pick Huxley, but surely:-
The Covid pandemic should really result in the WHO being disbanded AND at least 90% of the UK’s Beloved Leaders (including Civil ‘Servants’) being sacked or impeached for their Uniparty incompetence, malice and gross malfeasance in Public Office.
I consider your widening of the net commendable.👍
Absolutely spot on.
https://off-guardian.org/2023/03/01/cattes-corner-lab-leaks-brick-walls/
Here’s a very illuminating take on the whole shyte show and which carries some hope.
That’s all very well but if the global lock step was all part of the grand plan, how do you explain the outlier that was Sweden?
Good point one can only surmise that Sweden had the balls to tell Gates and co. to go and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
We can only thank them for showing us what a sh1te show the rest of the world made of it by their hysterical but planned nonsense.
Interesting. I hadn’t thought of that.
My bigger concern remains my chess game theory. You keep spinning out ‘viruses’ and keep forcing the public to adhere to measures that are disproportionate, including the coerced administration of ‘vaccines’ that do nothing apart from dent public confidence. You do this until public confidence in ‘vaccines’, along with trust in those making decisions, is shattered. You increase the number of sceptics – importantly, the number of people who refuse the offer of an experimental product – from 15-20% to 70-80-90%. The people have finally seen through all their games and most no longer comply. Then you roll out another virus. But this one is very different. This one is highly infectious and truly deadly. The people don’t see it coming. Game over.
Is it possible that us early sceptics are just pawns in their game? A chilling thought, but one I keep coming back to. What’s that I see? Bird Flu? Yeah, right, you’re not fooling me this time!
Frightening in its simplicity.
Amidst all this enthusiasm for these “revelations”, which are actually IMO not going to have much impact (we sceptics knew all this, most people don’t care and covidians and people who hate Tories will have their beliefs confirmed), let’s just remind ourselves of the fundamentals (as I see them).
Covid was/is a mild illness for most, in the region of bad flu. It didn’t justify special measures, other than perhaps raising awareness of the true risks among those most at risk, and preparing hospitals for being busier than usual (but not by sending everyone else home), and looking at available treatments (HCQ, ivermectin etc).
Lockdowns are always wrong. Saving lives at all costs is wrong.
Until we get those basic points into most people’s heads, we’re lost.
You put far too much faith in the sheeple. Some of these idiots were anally swabbed…
Oh no I have very little faith. I don’t think I will see a general awakening in my lifetime.
Every G20 country shut down its schools. Just a closecidence…nothing was coordinated. Just every policy and activity was the same.
When Doris the Fat Pig Dictator and his wine drinking stab-free, diaper-free minions were caught not following the rules, the entire regime of Rona fascism began to crumble. When that happened, other countries began in various ways to follow suit, albeit slowly and at different speeds. They can’t maintain the fiction that Rona understands borders.
Rona was a planned G20 event, every single activity, words, lies, made up data, propaganda, old age murders, synchronised. When some nations were forced out of the synchronisation, the game was over.
Yet still the MSM report this as ‘government didn’t know what it was doing’ rather than ‘the media were complicit in spreading misinformation to the the public and not doing its job in asking questions of government’.
When exactly is the BBC going to apologise to the public for its aggressive suppression of truth?
And not just the MSM, but Parliament itself. No effective opposition to the Government at all, just one or two sane MPs, like Christopher Chope, and that was it.
So when are we going to walk on parliament? When? Seriously? How much longer are we going to be lied to, beaten, ridiculed and humiliated by these people? There are worse outcomes than death.
…..the worse outcome is WW3, which even sensible political analysts I read, are now really talking about as a possibility…….that‘s one way of covering up the crime scene!
Indeed. Look, there’s a rabbit! Unless… you deliberately place as many incompetent people as possible into positions of authority. You knowingly release a virus, knowing you have a readymade ‘solution’ up your sleeve and guide those incompetent people down the required path. But you know the solution will be useless, worse than useless – will actually cause mass harm, including the death of children. You know there will be massive civil unrest, and you know the incompetent people you’ve placed into positions of authority will do anything to cover their tracks. i.e. you knowingly set off a chain of events that will cause complete social and economic collapse. A very competent display of an appearance of incompetence.
What a disaster…I don’t know how far your head has to be in the sand to think that this was just a cock-up, but even if that is the case, how is any of it defensible?
I’ve never believed the cock-up story because that means rational intelligent people acted against common sense, and why would they..? Except for nefarious reasons….….and if they did act in stupidity why give them reasons for their actions?
Are we saying we believe these people really thought there was a devastating pandemic..they didn’t….that they had no idea how the PCR worked or how it could be manipulated….they did…in one of the messages Hancock actually asks George Osborne to ramp up a news story to get people to test more…that’s not a cock-up….….
That they didn’t know how useless track and trace was…they did…that they didn’t know masks were useless and use them in their Covid Theatre? That they pushed MSM stories while suppressing alternatives?
Are we ignoring the SPI-B ‘people aren’t scared enough’….Fauci, ‘you use lock down to vaccinate more people’, and “we didn’t think we could do it, then we saw what they had done in Italy and knew we could’? That people were sacked for not having a jab, when their own data by that time was showing, for months, that the vaccinated were testing positive at a higher rate than the vaccinated?
Are we memory-holing Whitty actually saying kids should have the jab, just because it will make them feel safer at school? Not a lick of actual medical advice from the Chief Medical Officer……. And all the time, like us, they could just have looked at Sweden and other Scandi countries….…….?
are we actually supposed to forgive the MHRA for not doing their job? similarly the JVCI? Jabs for babies, children and pregnant women.?
No investigation, and actual dismissal of vaccine injured people..in our Government?
And the ‘dameing’’ and ‘knighting’ of dozens of these collaborators??
No..I will never forgive them or forget….and no they don’t get to say, it was just a cock-up….It was and still is, much more than that….
Terrific post ebg and with you 100%.
Seconded.
Yup.
“We realised we could get away with it.”
Right there. In a nutshell.
Gove’s absence from these WattsApp messages (so far) is interesting.
He was one of the Quad who decided Covid Regulation Policy: Johnson, Handcock, Sunak …… and Gove. It has been reported many times that Gove was a Lockdown enthusiast, always on the “more restrictions, longer restrictions” side of the argument.
Notable also, that in a highly competitive field, Gove was the MOST revolting fawner on Greta Thunderpants when she was bleating about her childhood having been stolen.
Do you know I am sickened by all this back pedalling and back side covering, Hancock is clearly being made the Scape goat, he deserves everything he gets, but all of these people, every single one of them who are now saying, oh I disagreed, Oh I should have resigned, they all let it happen, they didn’t resign, they supported and promoted the cruelty, they are as guilty of genocide as Hancock and should be equally held to account in a criminal court. They all kept taking the money, protecting their careers, they are disgusting they of course will not suffer, they will continue to collect our money to pay their handsome wages and lifestyles. The next thing to break will be the Vaccines and the knowledge that the products were dangerous, you watch they will all say, we were following what the advisors told us, we didn’t know.
Is there no retribution for these creatures?
Well said.
What is currently happening is TPTB are muddying the waters, Hancock front and centre as the sacrificial goat he willingly is?
Remember and ask:-
This has nothing to do with Hancock doing things on a whim. He may of eyed a few quid, but this was and is a world-wide conspiracy.
Eyes on the ball, not the squirrel!
HMMLO – ???
SOP – ???
Otherwise an excellent post.
HMMLO – Her (His) Majesty’s Most Loyal Opposition. Official name of UKs Opposition to the Govt. i.e. Starmer et al.
SOP – Already stated in the post – Safe Operating Procedure (any Industry standard, especially in things like Emergency Action Plan for large organisations)
Thank you.
No testing is required of a military bioweapon – DARPA own & developed the pathogen, Pfizer, Biontech & Moderna are merely the hired cover.
All of the measures implemented around the globe are under military control as decades of legislative changes have handed this control over to the military of each jurisdiction.
Health is nowhere near this bioweapon product.
IMO they’re going to have to invent a ‘new Conservatives’ party after this.
Oh, and a ‘Newer Labour’, as they were even more insistent on keeping up the draconian measures — and even if they claim ‘we didn’t know’, they certainly weren’t acting as an opposition party during the Covid times.
There’s also the international element to this — just what exactly are other countries going to say about the UK government keeping the public in the dark about emerging science and even making policy to ‘stop policy problems’ (ie, remaining in charge was more important than actually following the science).
Or, ‘The $cience.’
“just what exactly are other countries going to say about the UK government keeping the public in the dark about emerging science and even making policy to ‘stop policy problems’ “
F#ck All is my guess. 😀😀
Short rope, long drop. For. Every. Single. One.
A defence of Mr Toby Young.
I find it inconceivable that Toby still believes in the cock-up theory and it is safe to say we have won that argument and convincingly. So, why is Toby clinging on?
The only explanation would appear to be to protect DS. By continuing with his implausible position Toby is setting out the Editorial position of DS and if some regulatory body comes knocking he can always point to his Editorial stance. As DS is a free speech platform Toby can hardly be held responsible for the rantings of his conspiracy minded commentors. 😀
That’s put that to bed.
You’re probably right. I’m happy with this site, good articles, no apparent censorship, good debate. If we think an article is talking rubbish, we can say so, and why. The world is a much better place for it!
Without question.
Would the official Covid inquiry have had access to these messages? They seem to be part of government decision making, etc — really they should have visibility of all such messages already — not just from Hancock, but all government ministers (and civil servants, etc).
Isabel Oakeshott does come across as a real journalist as she responds to this attack from a fake journalist: –
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-64822872
She did speak out against injecting children, so I wonder where these leaks might end. They might not be a smokescreen after all.
https://twitter.com/isabeloakeshott/status/1430792705437835265
Hancock is a scape goat now. He is being deliberately sacrificed to hang as much of the disasterous policies of lockdown on to his crass ineptitude and aggressive politicking.
This way, once again, we get distracted from the abomination of the poison jabs policies and outcomes.
We get distracted, like Toby Young, into believing it was low IQ politicians that were to blame for these policies rather than the takeover of public health systems throughout the Western world and beyond via the WHO and other international treaties/agreements.
Just like all our cities and local authorities adopting 15 minute neighbourhoods, low traffic zones, reduced lanes, car emission standards to eliminate older cars, electric charge points on smart poles with sensors, 5G tower installations….it’s not bungling politicians, it’s from Globalist bureaucracies deriving agreements and standards flowing from bodies like the UN and the WEF.
The low IQ politicians are the ones who made such a sorry mess out of implementing the policies the WHO et al considered sensible and they’re also responsible for implementing them at all. The WHO has no political power, all it can do is give advice. People like Anders Tegnell in Sweden or Ron DeSantis in Florida had the courage to risk straying from the beaten track of the WHO (and were and probably still are endlessly vilified by left-leaning news outlets for that). Boris & gang didn’t, not the least because they didn’t care so much. After all, they weren’t regulating their own lives away, only those of others and – also a very attractive proposition – they knew they could use the money of said others to pay for it all, regardless of the eventual outcome.
These people don’t deserve a public execution. They deserve to be turned into a national clown show which must keep touring the UK and explaining pandemic policies until their deaths. In front of Bring your own eggs and tomatoes audiences.
Actually I think the WEF, WHO and various globalists must be getting worried, that Hancock is even more foolish than they thought and that his texts reveal the path back to their door.
We sort-of knew this already. But it’s still a bit depressing to have it spelled out in all its everyday banality — Yo, minister, this be The Right Thing to do, we know this ourselves. But the orders for The Wrong Thing were already written and distributed and changing them now would be such a hassle [for us]. It’s only other people’s children, after all. F**k them!
Government by unaccountable majority at its finest.
Wancock’s total lack of emotional intelligence on display yet again. Was it this quality that made him an ideal Health Minister? He was so concerned to burnish his own image with his book that he didn’t think it would be a problem by using an anti lockdown journalist as his ghost writer 🤣🤣
Obvious question: Why isn’t Matt Hancock in prison?
In the 1st lockdown our 90+ year old neighbour had been told to shelter. After a fortnight I saw her out in her garden when she told me “I’ve had enough of this, I’m on borrowed time” and promptly walked the 15 minutes to Lidls. Atta girl!
“they had to isolate and miss lessons for 10 days – even if a more reliable PCR test showed they were negative.”
“reliable PCR test” is that not an oxymoron?
As I keep on saying time and time and time again, this is a procedure that its inventor Kary
Mullis specifically said should NOT be used as a diagnostic tool. And especially at the CT levels it was being used. They jumped on this to use it for their own ends to frighten people and thus keep them under control.
Bliar always refers to the PCR test as “the gold standard.” That’s all we need to know.