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“Get Covid, Live Longer,” Joked Boris (According to Cummings)

by Toby Young
20 July 2021 11:11 AM

Dominic Cummings has given an hour-long interview to the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, due to be shown tonight on BBC2 at 7pm, in which he provides further evidence that Boris is a stone cold lockdown sceptic. As a bug-eyed lockdown zealot, he thinks this is damning stuff, but to people on our side of the aisle it makes the Prime Minister more sympathetic. MailOnline has more.

In his first broadcast interview, with the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, the hostile former chief adviser to Mr Johnson accused his one-time boss of putting “his own political interests ahead of people’s lives”.

He also revealed that the Prime Minister also wanted to carry on meeting the Queen in person while Downing Street was rife with Covid, eventually backing down when it was pointed out he could kill her.

Mr Cummings has repeatedly accused the Prime Minister of being too slow in imposing the second lockdown, which came into force on November 5th.

The political adviser, who left Downing Street during a bitter row in November, shared a series of messages from October 15th that appear to be from Mr Johnson to aides.

“I must say I have been slightly rocked by some of the data on covid fatalities. The median age is 82-81 for men 85 for women. That is above life expectancy. So get COVID and live longer. Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital (4%) and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate,” they read.

“There are max 3m in this country aged over 80. It shows we don’t go for nation wide lockdown.”

Worth reading in full.

The reason Cummings thinks this is so politically damaging is because he believes the delay in imposing the second lockdown cost lives. But as we’ve pointed out many times before, there is precious little evidence that lockdowns reduce transmission. And the R number was falling when the second lockdown was imposed, so the autumn wave peaked and fell without the need for a lockdown.

Tags: Dominic CummingsKamikazeMad Monk

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

None of the government’s actions make sense unless you conclude that they are being held hostage and forced to do increasingly nonsensical things by people holding a metaphorical gun to their head.

I know that somewhat goes against the editorial line here at DailyIncompetenceNotConspiracy.org, but the idea that every single Western government would implement policies of such breathtaking incompetence, stupidity, incoherence and inconsistency INDEPENDENTLY BUT AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME.

Well, how likely do YOU think that is?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

But Sweden, a Western Liberal Democracy, hasn’t followed suit and that needs to be explained if it’s all a conspiracy.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

If it wasn’t a conspiracy, news about Sweden and how different things have been there would be all over BBC News 24, Sky, CNN etc.

There has also been a great deal of pressure put on the Swedes to conform to the global narrative. Even the Swedish king has been roped in. And for all the differences in lockdown policy they are onboard the vaccine rollout bus just like everyone else.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Well a) it is all over Sky News Australia b) pressure may well have been put on Sweden, but still there are no lockdowns, masks etc.

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ArtC
ArtC
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

and how often do people in Western Europe watch Sky News Australia?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  ArtC

Dunno, but I watch it every day and I live in the UK. unfortunately I lack the resources to carry out a survey.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  ArtC

It certainly beat Sky News UK, when I last watched it.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Well a) it is all over Sky News Australia

probably not any more since they got banned for heresy.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Suspended briefly, like Talk Radio here in the UK.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I agree and would even go sofar as saying that they have planned in advance which countries got and get more leeway in what regard and when and vice versa, same for lockdown timings and strictness etc..
High vaxx ‘success’ gets a leader a few bonus points and their people a small reprieve, for a short while.
Extreme tightening trial balloons like Cyprus, France/Italy or Lithuania now, are also all planned.
The Danish opening is likely also planned, and timed so that it can go wrong and vindicate the (German&co) zealots who stayed shut instead.
OZ and NZ staying open and now being clamped down upon even harder: all planned.
I sometimes now think that there must be a sadi*st rule book and a sleight of top jobs in the new real world government that is still up for grabs, and for which the most fanatic leaders and helpers like Sturgeon/Sridhar, Soeder/Wieler/Drosten, Gribauskaite, Give/Starmer/Whitty, Trudeau&co compete against each other on the basis of that rulebook and its pi**ing contest comps of medically irrelevant stats.
Nothing else makes sense, since quite a while.
DeSantis, Iceland and Israel were not planned, of course, those are exciting ‘no plan survives contact with the enemy’ developments.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Can confirm. Wife has some family there and they were giving me heat for not taking the vaccine. They are well into their scientism there. Like I care what the in-laws say.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Is the king of Sweden wearing new clothes?

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

The king of Sweden has Stockholm syndrome…

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IanC
IanC
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

No its just that he’s Swedish. 🙂

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

China bought Volvo. Do you really think Sweden is ‘independent’? China has also bought Norwegian Air Shuttle (the airline) – do you really think Norway is independent?
Oxford has so many Chinese students it may as well be called Beijing-on-Thames.

ps – Swedes are a load of bores anyway, Their television programmes are boring. It’s no wonder Sweden has a high suicide rate. It is because Sweden and Swedes are so boring.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Does Sweden have a high suicide rate? They’re certainly not in the top ten and the country with the highest suicide rate in Europe is Belgium (15.5 per 100,000). Sweden has 14.9 suicides per 100,000 about the same as France making it a mid table country. Is it just the Swedes you find boring or all Scandinavians?

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

I’m part of a business group that has a couple of Swedes and they seem quite happy in general and although they have problems at home they say that in general Swedes are a happy bunch.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

PS China has a much lower suicide rate than the UK at 6.7 per 100,000, compare that to South Korea at 21.2.

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Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

And you believe statistics coming out of the CCP?

I’ve got a bridge to sell you

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

Go ahead, sell me the bridge you’ve got. I would of course need proof of ownership. What’s in it for the Chinese Communist Party to claim that their suicide rate is 6.7, after all, it’s hardly the lowest by a mile?

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Maybe the suicide rate is low because the genocide rate is high? Ask the Uyghurs.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Yep- don’t commit suicide or we’ll shot you for making us look bad. Actually, we’ll shoot you anyway for even thinking about it.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Their alleged economic growth is probably not the highest. Plausible deniability?

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Must be true if the CCP said it. I seem to remember the DDR suppressed suicide figures…

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

I read years ago that Sweden has a particularly high suicide rate among women, and ever since, I have been sceptical of claims that Swedish style politics are good for women.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Read where? Given that your source is years old don’t you think that more recent stats might just confound your prejudice?

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

My understanding was that the TPTB in Sweden would have loved to do the same as every other country. Fortunately their Constitution and Anders Tegnell got in the way.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

And without common law, we’d also be toast in the UK.
They certainly didn’t provide the self-exemption from masks out of generosity or reason.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Nothing to do with common law.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

There’s not much common law left since the Blair government.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Oh those politicised, make up your own law supreme courts?

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Constitutions do not get into the way of governments. Eg, article 4, paragraph 2 of the German constitution states that

Undisturbed conduction of religious services is guaranteed.

There isn’t even the usual insofar not limited by other laws clause. Nevertheless, the Merkel-goverment prohibited them overnight and has since reinstated them subject to following some goverment catalogue of allowed, religious procedures.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

That is true.
The constitution is only as strong as the people in power and then the people themselves still have some integrity.
Even the common law based guarantees depend on that eventually, but they are either stronger in the UK than elsewhete, or some of the people in power here (I am not thinking of De Pfeffel, but of Lady Hale&co) still have some integrity, or both, especially compared to other Anglo-Saxon countries.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

So Sweden not joining in, proves that it isn’t a conspiracy. Now not everybody has to join a conspiracy for there to be a conspiracy. It really is that simple.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I never said that, I merely asked for an explanation. You can of course continue to argue against something I never claimed, but I’d prefer a more considered response, one in which you’ve actually read and understood and then addressed my comment, but I doubt you’ll do that.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

So Sweden is already much further down the road of being Greta Resetted than the majority of other nations. They have a lot of people already microchipped for example – more than 6,000.

This is clearly a conspiracy. Anyone still crying cockup and incompetence is not seeing things clearly or is misinformed or too propagandised to be able to put two and two together. This is hindering our progress as arguing cockup is EXACTLY what they want as it creates division.

One big proof of criminal conspiracy (there are so many it’s ridiculous) is the untimely deaths of African heads of state who did not play ball. Heads of State from Burundi, Tanzania and now also Haiti and two others I believe, have all been bumped off for not playing ball. That doesn’t just happen. The Burundi assassination was the first and at that point it became obvious what we were dealing with.

Coronavirus and Regime Change: Burundi’s Covid Coup
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/14/coronavirus-and-regime-change-burundis-covid-coup/

While the people of the western world occupy themselves wearing masks, pointing fingers and using so much hand sanitizer it literally kills them, the big world of Geo-Politics still ticks along, following the same tired old patterns with only slight variations in method. A modern twist, if you will.

Here’s a little summary of Burundi’s recent history:

  • The president of Burundi, Pierre Nkurunziza, dismissed covid19 as nonsense.
  • The president of Burundi was vilified in the Western press.
  • The president of Burundi expelled the World Health Organization from his country.
  • The president of Burundi died suddenly of a “heart attack”.
  • The NEW president of Burundi immediately reversed his predecessor’s Covid19 policies.

And now for the long version…see link for full story

UPDATED: President Magufuli dead at 61 A corporate coup has removed Tanzania’s “Covid denying president”, and nobody should be surprised.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/03/18/discuss-president-magufuli-dead-at-61/

19/03/21 – Tanzania’s vice-President Samia Suluhu Hassan has been officially sworn in as the new President. Details.UPDATE 20/03/21 – The new President is already being seen in public wearing a mask. Details.After weeks of being out of the public eye, Tanzania’s President John Magufuli has died age 61, according to the country’s Vice President.
The global press are reporting the death of Tanzania’s “Covid denying President” with barely disguised glee.
The official cause of death is rumoured to be a heart attack, but some are implying it may have been due to the virus. The Economist, for example reports:

Many believe the virus was to blame”.

As if what “many believe” really means anything.
However it happened – whether virus or heart attack or, ahem, “suicide” – the long and short of it as that Magufuli is gone. Just as we predicted only a few days ago.

…..se link for full story

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Well said. Toby and others who argue the cock-up theory suffer from a lack of imagination, and a sense that they somehow consider themselves sufficiently close to the seats of power that if there was a conspiracy, they would have been invited to join. A little education puffs up the mind. But a decent self-education deflates the pompous ego. Toby utterly revealed his limitations when he admitted to James that he had never heard of Carroll Quigley’s Tragedy of Hope. Not hadn’t read it, but hadn’t heard of it. If you haven’t heard of it, then you are hopelessly underinformed on the ways of the world. Simple as that. Do not pass go, do not collect £200. Of course it’s a conspiracy, unless your worldview is so warped by your university education that you truly believe that rich people have never thought of ruling the world. Toby represents the tyranny of the educated class, too smart for their own good, too intoxicated on their own path which occasionally strayed into the main game that they truly believe that they have surveyed the length and breadth of history and politics. But these things take place in the shadows, and if you want to know about them, you have to leave the brightly lit paths and be prepared to wander down lanes and alleyways unlit by your professor. Well, unless you happen to have had Carroll Quigley as your prof, like Bill Clinton. Of course, it’s a conspiracy. All of history is worked out in back rooms with people whose names you will never hear. The rest is theatre.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

He expelled the WHO? Ooh, do you think Peking Piffle will expel them too?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

The population of Sweden is 10,168,973 – 6,000 isn’t a lot.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

There is no one explanation, as we are not privy to the facts.

What we do know though, is that everything about Covid stinks to high heaven and that none of it makes any sense without accepting that are very sinister aspects to what is going on.

Hopefully, people who watch the linked video will never let another needle be stuck into their arms.

We are now in an all out war, yet most remain utterly clueless, while things things will soon get a whole lot worse.

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/why-are-they-so-desperate-to-force-inject-us/

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

That’s true up to a point. But the issue is that this isn’t about health and so the measures taken in Sweden need to be seen in the context of what this is really all about.

Swedish society is far more advanced with the programs of social control etc than most other places.

research the collectivism experiments undertaken before WWII
the first trials of implanted chips happened where ?
the use of cash is almost zero.
eco fascism rampant

The Swedes aren’t hardy Vikings, the urban masses/intelligencia are highly susceptible and willing participants to the coming communitarianism.

and the reason they’ve been allowed to participate in the great scam as they have is because the people in charge don’t need to coerce them and don’t want to raise/foster any social resistance.

Every country is enduring it’s own tailored program of coercion specific to that population.

We concentrate on the Anglo-sphere and see broadly similar events and tactics. That’s because the base populations have similar social beliefs and origins.

This isn’t about health,

comparing “outcomes” “cases” “measures “ is a complete misdirection of effort.
The big picture has nothing to do with health.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill Grates

Yes it’s to do with control and depopulation, both a million miles from being abut conserving health.

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me too
me too
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

A thing I know: Sweden established at the beggining of 2020 the rules for dealing with an epidemy that were current rules (for years) designed by WHO.

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

sweden is just as bad as far as’ vaccine’ so is not any better

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Andy R
Andy R
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It is absolutely clear that this is being orchestrated trans nationally at this point! My finger is pointing at either the CCP or the WEF or both (perhaps completely intertwined – who knows?). It smacks mostly of a global corporate takeover with all the narratives coming from the WEF playbook to me.

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sevart
sevart
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

I think China is just an arm of the big money boys, The Rockefeller Foundation put a lot of money (I’m sure they probably still do) into it going back at least 100 years.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

It’s not difficult. The natural trajectory of unrestrained capital fulfilling its objectives.

As always said : Follow the money. (And watch it laughing all the way to the bank at the distractions of loopy ‘little green men’ conspiracy notions).

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It is due to the phenomenon of International Groupthink. It is not at all unusual for incompetent people to simply copy the others around them. It applies to world leaders – often out of their depth – as much as it applies to mediocre schoolkids copying each others’ homework,.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Interesting to watch the games that Peking Piffle and Fishy Sturgeon have been playing (not to mention Dungford and Burnham). All following “the science”, obviously…

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

The conspirators are the governments.

… Unless you are into Blofeld stories.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

This all been orchestrated by some Bond villain would actually make it more bearable and maybe believable…

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Gates would make a good Bond villain. I like Tomorrow Never Dies (diabolical media manipulation)…

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh
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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Indeed – the micro reporting by MSM has been the cause of most problems closely followed by some very dodgy modelling and politicians believing it.

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cubby
cubby
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Remember when Ferguson said he realised a lockdown would be possible after the Italians got away with it?
So The Fat Dictator follows and is delighted to find his approval ratings soar. The rest of the world’s politicians look at the UK and see an easy way to boost their popularity et voila! Lockdowns and ever tightening screws applied.
Big Pharma/Globalists see the potential for massive gains and apply financial grease to the screws by supporting politicians, press, functionaries – they already have all the universities and the health authorities in they pocket.
I see it more as opportunism which has brought out the worst in mankind. Not a planned conspiracy, more a welcome opportunity to make the most out of whichever group you belong to and fuck the people.
When you have dozens of super-rich organisations helping themselves it certainly can, however, look like it’s all planned…..

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cubby
cubby
3 years ago
Reply to  cubby

Their pocket. Oops

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Quite likely, considering that Government leaders are generally in the job to get power and because they haven’t got the brain cells to work in the real world. Cock up always trumps conspiracy

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Quite so, especially when you discover that the WHO’s initial endorsement of the Cormen-Drosten RT-PCR mass testing fraud was signed off by WHO flunkies including Zambon who was a key figure in PHE who are equally key drivers and deliverers of the disastrous policy decisions inflicted on the UK and is exactly the same conflict of interest Prof Wei Shen Lim of the JCVI is guilty of, reportedly being the person responsible for landing “funding” from …Pfizer .

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

 “…that encouraged us to consume even more fat, sugar and chemicals for the good of the economy. “

There’s nothing wrong with saturated fat, don’t let the medical pharmaceutical complex tell you otherwise.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Exactly. Sugar is the enemy. And highly processed foods in general.

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Depends on whether it is trans fat or hydrogenated vegetable fat or good old saturated fat in its unadulterated form. With it being fast food, it is most likely not the latter.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

And margarine is horrible poisonous muck.

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh
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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Yep. Butter and olive oil fulfil all of your cooking needs in a healthy way.

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chris c
chris c
3 years ago
Reply to  BurlingtonBertie

Industrially produced omega 6 seed oil it probably the worst – you know, that “heart healthy vegetable oil” which isn’t. Trans/hydrogenated fats have now been replaced by interesterified fats and I have seen little research on their harms.

I stick with grass-fed butter and cheese, and coconut and olive oil for cooking. You know, the kind of stuff that never harmed us for millennia.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Isn’t it supposed to lead to high cholesterol? Honestly don’t know what to believe anymore

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Go back to basics. What do animals eat? Believe it or not, a diet high in raw, unprocessed food is actually quite good for you (although obviously you need to be careful with meat. And kidney beans…).

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

No problem re the discussion with over processed foods but the specific comment was about saturated fat. Do animals eat much of that?

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chris c
chris c
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

No. obviously lions cut all the fat off their antelopes before devouring them.

Saturated fat is chemically unreactive, monounsaturated slightly more so, polyunsaturated fats are highly reactive. We need some but in the correct ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 for our immune system to work properly. We evolved on a ratio between 1:2 and 4:1. modern diets may be 30:1 in favour of omega 6. Not working too sell is it? But highly profitable.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Check out Ivor Cummins and the the low carb high fat diet.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

Well, as the people, so the government. When masks started being mandated indoors, all the covidiots jumped on the bandwagon and started denying entry for people without masks. Then the government stopped mandating masks indoors. Are those same people as quick to follow government guidance as before? Nope.

Everyone is just winging it, playing it by ear, cherry-picking what sounds good to them, exercising their inner tyrant, and then pretend like they’re following “Science”. More than half the people in this country wouldn’t know what science is if it hit them in the face. So is it any wonder the government is made up of tyrannical idiots?

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

Nice one, more articles like this please!

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Not so much of the ‘we’.
WE didn’t swallow any of this nonsense.
WE are the people.
Everything else is zombies.
End of.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Correct.
And in particular it’s our friends and families who are meant and who are the real disappointments here.
The same thing that once bewildered Hannah Arendt.
Personally, I can say and admit that I only changed my mind once and that I made only 1 mistake throughout this, sofar.
I originally agreed that we must shield and protect ‘the vulnerable’ and care home residents in particular.
After the first horrific testimonies from such residents, I immediately changed my mind: we have no right to tell them what to do, whom to see or not, or to lock them in, even if we think it’s for their own ‘benefit’.
They are free people and can and have to make their own decisions in that regard, which we have to accept and which we should then help them with.

The sole mistake I made was joining the clap fest, and that twice.
Mea culpa.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Mistakes aren’t the problem.We all make them.
Refusing to admit to mistakes, and forcing the innocent to bear the consequences of one’s mistakes, is the problem.

Last edited 3 years ago by Annie
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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

First of all you have to acknowledge that you have made a mistake but the vast majority do not believe any mistakes have been made. To them, the lockdown route and all that goes with it was the one and only conceivable option. I have known a few people who have come over to us on the dark side but they did so early in the debacle. Everyone else is far too entrenched now to even consider for one second they could be wrong.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

2 opposing cults. Although (only) one of them, ours, is still crunching the numbers.
Which will be the decisive factor and difference in the end.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

So true, even now family members are talking about them ‘having’ to lock down again if we get a surge later in the year. It’s already become an accepted means of dealing with things. Ask why and all you get is a sort of confused, disgusted look of incredulity.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yep.
Which is also what really sets Ron DeSantis apart and makes him a true, great leader.
The problem with the English in particular, here also perfectly represented by their current PM, is that they don’t do responsibility anymore, just the blame game.
It’s a genetic defect by now, also wudely known as the ‘wrong kind of leaves syndrome’.
And one of the main reasons for that country’s, in particular its manufacturing sector’s, long term decline and uncompetitiveness.

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chris c
chris c
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Yup, saw that in industry. If you solve a problem you have “taken ownership” of the problem and hence the blame for causing it. Better to blame a department whose fault it isn’t and use the fact they can’t solve it as proof they caused it.

Now I suspect such managers have transferred to the NHS.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Absolutely- no one in the public sector gets fired for incompetence or misconduct, no matter how serious the situation. It’s always, ‘mistakes have been made, lessons have been learnt, etc. and then talk of ‘implementing a broad spectrum of measures’ type cobblers. When I was manager at a garage, if we made a mistake the car owner would come back and it was a case of ‘right, you made a mistake that caused this- you’re to blame- put it right or find another job, which is exactly how it should be. With no accountability there’s no incentive to actually do the bloody job right in the first place.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I joined in too- largely because my wife works in the care sector and her life would have been a nightmare if we hadn’t done so. I dare say she would have lost business if the Stasi had spotted that we were not out banging the drum. Because believe me, they were checking who was and wasn’t obeying- sorry- being a nice, kind citizen.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Wir sind das Volk?

(I mean 1989, not Pegida).

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh
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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

Government: incompetent or evil? Both? Neither? I tend to think that they TRULY BELIEVE their own narrative, but like the Bolsheviks, are prepared to override once prevailing principles and morality to achieve their ends. So, they are effectively cowards or insane, or a mix of the two.

As to a conspiracy: is it such, or simply all governments acting to preserve their own power and control: Covid being a threat and opportunity in equal measure, and all copying one another (no originality except in Sweden, Texas, etc.)? It feels like a conspiracy, but how much of what sceptics believe will turn out to be bunkum?

I suspect we’ll never get to the bottom of all this, unless millions die from the vaccines and a genuine popular revolt ensues.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

At the beginning, a case could have been made for good intentions in conjunction with ‘It’s better to fail conventionally, than to succeed unconventionally.’
That case disappeared about 6 weeks into the p(l)andemic, due to and in conjunction with the most unscientific and ruthless censorship drive ever in democracies.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

True morality is reasonable. It follows that descending into amoral methods led to epistemic chaos and nonsense. That is what totalitarianism always manifests as. Now governments cannot distinguish between truth and lies, even as they are culpable for mendacity and coercion, to cover themselves from blame at any cost.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Good lines of thought, but I am pretty sure that most of them can still distinguish between truth and lies, but are also sofar down the rabbit hole now that they chose to lie regardless and most deliberately.
And in many ways, those people are even worse than the true believers and fanatics.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

Absolutely brilliant summary.
Every bloody MP should be made to read it, then again…..
Phew, nearly credited them with an iota of critical thought and moral compass there.
Gove, where art though? Much more of this and you narrative might be in trouble – you utter bastard.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

This is a comment under the gaslighting article at zerohedge.
If you read the rights individually and think about them, you notice immediately that all of the rights have been tinkered with, mutilated or abolished already.

These are Americans Inalienable Rights:

“To act in self-defense (personal, family, innocents, nation).
To own and carry weapons for self-defense and for ensuring that the nation remains free.
To own and control private property (land, money, personal items, intellectual property, etc.)
To earn a living and keep the fruit of one’s labor.
To freely migrate within the country or to leave the country.
To worship—or not worship—God in the manner one chooses.
To associate with—or disassociate from—any person or group.
To express any idea through print, voice, banner, or other media.
To be secure in one’s home, papers, and person against unwarranted searches and seizures (privacy).
To be advised of the charges, in the event of arrest.
To have a judge determine if the accused should be held for trial or for punishment.
To be tried by a jury of one’s peers and face one’s accuser, in the event of being charged with a crime.
To be tried by a jury of one’s peers, in the event of a suit in which the disputed amount is substantive.
To suffer no cruel or unusual punishment.
To establish, monitor, control, and petition our servant government to help secure the above rights.
To abolish said government, when it becomes destructive of these rights.”

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“Kafka-esque nonsensical.”

Not really, just evil. It makes perfect sense if what you’re doing is grabbing more power for yourself. Why wouldn’t politicians do that if they had the chance?

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Westminster68
Westminster68
3 years ago

God, I wish I had written that diatribe. She is absolutely spot on. The question is how to spread these self-evident truths – a phrase that I hope still resonates – in a world utterly corrupted by governments in the name of protecting us all while in reality incarcerating us all, stripping us of the liberties of every free-born man and woman. The best response, I remain sure, is simply to say: Fuck Off. Every time. Whenever questioned, whenever approached, whenever interrogated, whenever harassed, whenever lectured, whenever bossed around. It can become almost addictive. Every politician, every policeman, every jobsworth, every bird-brained journalist screaming their cretinous moral superiority, every ‘health official’, every snitch. I suggest starting at the top. Boris: Fuck Off! Easy.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  Westminster68

I don’t think I’ve ever read so much online before outside of my job in IT. Can’t argue with anything in that full article at all. In my dreams, the BBC would publish it…

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BungleIsABogan
BungleIsABogan
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

In my dreams, the BBC would publish it…

It will without doubt remain “in your dreams”, but not anywhere on the BBC, unless they were going to attempt to trash it perhaps.

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  BungleIsABogan

I don’t think they’d even try to trash it – far too risky!

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BungleIsABogan
BungleIsABogan
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Lol true!

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

10/10.

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

More Dangerous Side Effects Potentially Linked To mRNA Vaccines, EU Warns
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/new-side-effects-potentially-linked-mrna-vaccines-eu-warns

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

The lunatics in Government disappeared down the White Rabbit’s hole last March and dragged most of the country down after them. Since then they’ve created a Wonderland of absolute nonsense:

“Alice laughed…….. ‘One can’t believe impossible things.’
I daresay you haven’t had much practice,’ said the Queen. ‘When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast”
And sadly that’s where we are. A majority of the country believe in impossible things ….. and the sane, sensible people are vilified for daring call out the nonsense.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

Alice – Alice? who on Earth is Alice?

Anyhow, the fact is that the vast majority believe things thare not proven and not likely to be. If only they taught logic in those schools…

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

Hard to credit isn’t it? I find myself constantly bemused by people taking masks off in cafes and then putting them on to collect drinks or go to the toilet. Then there’s the relentless hand sanitising with the hand wringing, (very apt), before eating sandwiches or cakes- must taste awful and probably not exactly healthy to ingest so much gloop. How can so many people believe that this is controlling a virus? Absolutely bizarre behaviour.

Last edited 3 years ago by annicx
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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
3 years ago

This is worth 1/2 an hour of your time,

One of a series of tv appearances by Barry Smith in 2000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w73UF5T6Oek

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

I refer you to the reference to Charles Eisenstein in today’s catch-up. It is a brilliantly worded depiction of everything sceptics on here hold true. It describes the underlying ‘tribal’ nature of emnities and the need for ‘others’ ie the unvaxed in society. He does not sit on the fence, he describes the new society as fascist totalitarianism, he does not believe the vaccines do what governments say they do.
Yet Eisenstein is the writer of several books and speeches about ‘new societies’. New capitalism, how money and the financial system drives us to destruction and alienation from nature. He is and has been a reference for change.
When he writes such pieces it is a very clear indication that we are dealing with a movement of underlying wealth and power. It is planned, coordinated centralised wealth as represented by the likes of BlackRock and Vanguard in cahoots with the BIS and the CBs. They are using the ‘useful idiots’ at the UN and their offshoots to help coral national governments to do their bidding. This is a western world fascist totalitarian takeover, and its damn near to succeeding.
There will remain tensions between this new ’empire’ and those of other ‘civilisations’ like Russia, China and India; but with the exception of some weak 3rd world countries, the RoW will be incorporated into this new homogeneous fascist regime.

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Evison1
Evison1
3 years ago

Great article, please continue.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
3 years ago

Technically a conspiracy requires a cabal to conspire in secret. Given that plenty of politicians are openly making statements about ‘build back better’, and we know they all hobnob at Davos, is there any reason to go one step beyond that and consider theories about Gates, Soros and co. Does it tells us anything new or useful? I don’t think so.

I don’t think it is odd that actions appear co-ordinated. They all watch the same news, speak to each other at gatherings, and their Covid stats are all happening at roughly the same time. Why is that strange?

On the other hand ‘cockup’ is absolutely not the right word. An opportunistic ‘Coup’ is much more appropriate.

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Quizzical
Quizzical
3 years ago

A fabulous piece of writing BUT

logic and common sense never entered 99% of the population’s minds

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

As somebody once said, the problem with common sense is that it’s often not very common

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Stephanos
Stephanos
3 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

As a youngster, I could never understand why it was called ‘common sense’ As you remark, it is not common at all. What is more it seems to comprise a rare combination of wisdom, perception and intelligence.

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me too
me too
3 years ago

After having read this text I wonder if all this criminal politics in UK are conducted by adversaries of Boris Johnson.

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Zoomer@14
Zoomer@14
3 years ago

Those NHS adverts were absolutely disgusting. The worst one being ‘act as if you have it’…

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TheBigman
TheBigman
3 years ago

This is surprisingly a great piece. More from her please.

I think people in this country haven’t woken up to the modern way of authoritarianism as we haven’t experienced it in the recent past as other countries have.

People still think totalitarianism is speeches from balconies by uniformed leaders and armed officers physically bullying people into submission. Times moved on and the uniforms were replaced with suits and the armed officers were dressed in plain clothes and recruited children to help in their bidding.

ALL GOVERNMENTS SEEK GREATER POWER BY THEIR VERY NATURE!!!

Minute government is best, let freedom reign. Protect your rights, your family, your home, your border, your country. A united people with shared commonality are always harder to defeat than the opposite group.

Stand up, or you won’t have a life left. Even if you support this now, they don’t want you.

This goes deeper than the mere surface we see now.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  TheBigman

Hear hear! Sadly, people who seek shared commonalities are generally the opposite of those who seek minute government. They usually want bigger government and are hostile to individuality.

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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago

“Worth reading in full”? No, a must read!! A must share!! Excellent piece. Charlotte mentions the plague. The County we lived in in Colorado for 10 years had the plague in 2016 and it still exists in prairie dogs today – with transmission to humans who have died. Was there a lockdown for that? That’s my rhetorical question of the day.

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
3 years ago

are there any countries at all where most people won’t get the ‘vaccine’ has anyone done a survey or chart?

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