The Government will treat vaccinated and unvaccinated Brits differently on the matter of self-isolation after coming into contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid, with those who have had two doses of a vaccine not having to isolate from August 16th. This change will also apply to children under the age of 18. Sky News has the story.
Individuals must allow two weeks to pass after having their second jab before they are allowed to be exempt from self-isolating, [Health Secretary Sajid Javid told the Commons in a statement].
At present, people identified as a close contact of someone who has tested positive for coronavirus will receive an alert from the Test and Trace app or a phone call from a tracer telling them to isolate for 10 days.
For those who have only received one vaccination or those who have not been vaccinated, the requirement to self-isolate after coming into contact with an infected person will remain in place.
And if someone who has received two jabs tests positive for coronavirus they will still have to isolate for the 10-day period.
Mr Javid told MPs “the odds have shifted in our favour” due to the successful vaccination roll-out which will allow the Government to make the self-isolation system more flexible next month. …
The Health Secretary said the Government will advise close contacts of confirmed cases who are fully vaccinated “to take a PCR test as soon as possible”, adding: “And of course, anyone that tests positive will have to self-isolate whether they have had the jab or not.”
The Government hopes the new system will bring an end to the disruption of individuals being made to stay in their homes, in some cases, for multiple periods of 10 days.
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“Also applies to those under 18”.
Those dirty child abusing bastards.
Boosters are coming soon. How will “fully vaccinated” then be defined? Will there ever be a time when everyone who wants to be is “fully vaccinated”?
Interesting measure from the well-known repressed, closet libertarian PM and his new, pragmatic, freedom-loving Health Secretary.
never had the app and I never answer calls from unknown numbers – they are normally trying to sell me something
I have an answerphone so I can monitor who phones me.
Anyone relying on this not working because of logistics is (a) missing the point and (b) dreaming.
The apparatus driving all this is not going to throw the towel in because they have a system that at this moment has some holes in it. They are going to work out how to close the loop holes, how they can close of normal life to those who are bypassing the system and eventually, if we let them, everyone will be subjected to this totalitarian nightmare.
Correct. But the first and very impirtant step is refusing to participate in their lies by sabotaging everything, see Solchenitzyn.
At the same time, we need to rev up, go to the demos etc. too.
Micro chips will be on the agenda soon.
Yep, I’ve stopped answering any unrecognised numbers.
Same here. A few years ago, I had a lot of problems with unwanted traders making nuisance calls, and my landline is a Telephone Preference Service (TPS) as well. I never answer unknown calls; most of them do not leave messages. This is sometimes useful: https://who-called.co.uk/ There seem to be quite a few users.
Me too, I always check first on http://www.tellows.co.uk if there are any negative reports. Otherwise I may call back, because you never know if it is really someone important. In most cases it is just spam 🙁
I have a landline – but no handset
Easy to get round it, just don’t download the app if you haven’t been jabbed!
Even if they did somehow tell me to isolate, won’t do it and can’t do it anyway.
If some doctator’s apparatchik asks for your internal passport you can use this.
https://hack-and-trace.me/
I’m so glad it’s back. Hopefully hosted somewhere free now…
When I said free, I meant free of interference of course…
Disgusting, discriminatory and coercive policy.
A reminder to any rational person why it is unacceptable ever to vote for the “Conservative” Party (or the Labour Party) again, bar thorough purges and genuine apologies
This announcement should be read in conjunction with the article just posted:
.As Evidence Grows That Vaccines Do Not Protect Against Infection, the Case For Granting Privileges to the Vaccinated Collapses
If there was ever a good case for a legal challenge, this is it, precisely for the reasons you state.
Even if the vaccines stopped infection it would be grotesque, but the fact that there is no proof that they do and the vaccine companies themselves admit it in their prospectuses makes the discrimination even worse.
He even admits it
And of course, anyone that tests positive will have to self-isolate whether they have had the jab or not.”
so people can still be infected after the jab, who knew?
Simple way to self-exempt from self-isolation even if you’ve refused the jab….
don’t download the App. They’ll never find you.
I can’t understand why anyone with a functioning brain has the App.
Because they love and trust
Big Brotherthe NHS, GC.Communism was only defeated after many decades. This will be a very long war.
Can also confirm that never downloaded the poxy app and never will.
A long war, ok.
The totalitarian bastards will lose.
Communism hasn’t been defeated. It just moved from east to west.
Red China are doing pretty well
Of course they might download it for you
Agree with those who say don’t download the app. If there’s some reason why you did, you can still turn its location access off on your phone. App won’t work on my old iPhone 6 anyway. But really, is there anyone here who can explain why people download the app and let it run on their phones even though they dread being pinged (and the mess it makes of your life if you are)?
Because they are infantile morons. I have not a shred of sympathy left for those people.
It’s bizarre, isn’t it? Probably a lof ot them are the same people who regularly upset their small children by testing them several times a week for a virus which won’t make them ill anyway.
i downloaded initially (with bluetooth switched off) out of the sort of curiosity you might get from seeing a train crash. looked at functionality and deleted
I even did Tim Spectors Zoe app until he came out against lockdown 3 for data reasons rather than because its fundamentally evil
I got some free lateral flow tests delivered. thought I’d test the cat or tapwater for fun. saw they were made in china. no way I’m doing that to my cat – straight in the bin
my wife came back from abroad and had to isolate for 10 days. she did isolate properly but still refused to answer the phone to the creepy spying bastards
I had 2 covid tests – one before a hospital operation, the other an LFT before being allowed into a company I was consulting for – they gave it to me and went off to make a coffee – needless to say it was negative! lol
Agreed on the Zoe disappointment.
Also, even if the app pings you telling you to self isolate, only you would know as it’s decentralised. You can just clear it’s cache (or uninstall) and the evidence is gone. Your problem will come if one of your idiot mates gets it and reports you as one of their contacts. At that point, blocking the t and t phone number will be helpful
They are Mongolians
Since no-one is fully vaccinated, then we are all the same.
Absolutely – me too ..
I love Bob
Bob Moran’s earned a lot of respect over the past 15 months.
He has been probably one of, if not the, most relevant artists in the UK this year. Top man.
We need to directly flout this and push them to take it to court. I’ve already had the virus and I’ll put my naturally acquired immunity up against the flimsy vaccine acquired immunity any day of the week.
Seriously, the time to push back and not avoid this (by not having the app or whatever) is now. Otherwise it won’t be long before they put us in camps and start asking what the Final Solution to the Unvaccinated Question is.
Never had the app. I just tell people my phone is incompatible with track/trace, and then I give false info when they want to take my details. I resent living in a communist state.
My only telephone is attached to the wall in the hall. Am I missing out?
Yes, unless you buy an extension lead…a long one. Personally, I wouldn’t bother.
Mr Old Maid and I have purchased cheap drug dealer/burner style payg mobile phones, and have invented complete backstories for our alter egos.
I suspect we have too much time on our hands …
haha I have one of those too. The burner phone I mean. I haven’t got. an alter ego yet. I’ll get to it.
Im going to be Sapphire de Winter, a glamorous divorcee with a penchant for yachts, diamonds and Russian oligarchs. Suffer from mysterious trauma that renders me unable to countenance a mask, and also unable to understand anyone wearing one. Pursued by the KGB or similar and therefore cannot leave my details for security reasons. Also allergic to PEG and multiple other vaccine ingredients. Just bring me a martini and stop with the tiresome questions.
I think I spotted you behind a pyramid of Ferrero Rocher at the Ambassador’s Reception?
Sapphire sounds v high maintenance!!
My iPhone was the first thing I got rid of at the start of this shit show, sensing that the nascent biosecurity state would require me to have one. Have been using a shitty Nokia which I absolutely hate as a piece of technology but I love taking it out and making confused face when prompted to report my whereabouts to Big Brother.
Well done to the both of you. Up to now I just give random names and numbers, but I want have a bit of fun making up pseudonyms…
Mine is Randolph de Savory, star of multiple “Mills& Boon” novels. If the Covid Marshalls see anyone kissing a leggy sloane with “passion and disdain, turning her shapely legs to jelly”, that’s me!
I have so many alter egos I have lost track of who is doing what and where!!!
Lol. A bit like a SAGE member then?
One nazi actually had the temerity to question how I spell my ‘name’. I briefly wondered whether I’d had too many aperols, and knew I wouldn’t be able to pull out the ‘real’ phone to check the spelling (the ‘burners’ being useless for getting online), so I did the only thing possible. I just laughed in her face.
I know I should have challenged her right to actually review the information, but my alter ego is a person who is completely on board with all this sh1t.
What you should know if you’ve already had Covid and considering having the jab.
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/athlete-who-recovered-covid-facing-very-different-future-after-second-dose-pfizer
So basically vaccine passports-light.
And the test and trace system therefore to continue wherever we go, so not actually freedom day, more like still going to track and trace you.
And are people actually going to continue with this rubbish every time they want to enter a building?
WTF is wrong with people in this country?
Hasn’t Jabbit noticed that 67% of people testing positive for the rona in Israel were double jabbed?
The gas lighting going on right now is f u c king EPIC.
Freedom day SHOULD really mean zero restrictions thereafter i.e the way life used to be before March 2020 – not “same restrictions” but just applied in a different way. If people cannot see that that is not freedom then there is no help for us.
Speaking only for myself, and as an adult, this affects me not at all, I don’t have the app and I’ve never been tested. We are told the QR Codes used by pubs etc are going on the 19th so who else would I ever be giving my nom de plume to?
A report suggested 30% of people who have been contacted don’t fully isolate already, and that’s if they contact you at all!!
If you have to be tested for work, that’s a different matter, but outside of that it seems the only adults who are likely to be contacted are the knob-heads who set themselves up for these things? And I suspect they are very much a minority.
The worse part is obviously the under 18’s, which means school will be a fiasco,…again…and it’s perhaps a nudge towards vaccination for the under 18’s?
The battle continues….
It could be your workplace, or a club you belong to, or anywhere you’ve booked in advance and given your phone number to, or a “friend” giving your number to T&T. I’d block the number the NHS use to call you on.
“The Government will treat vaccinated and unvaccinated Brits differently on the matter of self-isolation after coming into contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid,”
But unvaccinated Brits are vanishingly unlikely to use Track and Trace so are vanishingly unlikely to be “pinged”.
I think this is just a “reward” for those who stepped forward to be vaccinated to avoid them kicking off at being treated exactly the same as the unvaccinated.
The real acid test will be about travel abroad. Will the unvaccinated be prevented from travelling in the longer term? Or have onerous conditions placed on us?
“ Will the unvaccinated be prevented from travelling in the longer term? Or have onerous conditions placed on us?”
I think we know the answer to this question don’t we?
Everyone will be prevented from travelling, but the unvaxed MORE
If the vaccine didn’t “wear off’ maybe not. But with a vaccine that needs annual boosters, for sure travel vaccine passports are here to stay.
Mrs Dent may not agree but I am happy to bide my time for a year or two to see what happens with vaccine passports for travel abroad.
That’s my plan as well. If this sheite continues into 2024, I will sell up buy a boat and bring anyone who wants off this god forsaken island a trip to whatever island of sanity still stands.
sign me up for that trip AYM please!
The more the merrier!
Sadly it’s looking that way- rather hoping one or two of the Scottish Isles will obtain sovereignty and eradicate this totalitarian insanity
Yes and me, very much enjoying all the lovely places in England to go to. Though I see it as yet more coercion of the young who would wish to travel abroad.
Within 6 months, TSWHTF for the vaccinated. Very likely, THEY will then have to be tested all the time, not us.
If I am wrong, there might at least be the Valneva, aka a proper vaccine, available for us.
Until a couple of years from now when a few million are predicted to die as result of the changes to the immune system caused by the jabs. After that, the only jabbing will hopefully be in the execution chambers of those responsible.
I think it is unworkable – largely because it is illegal, but it won’t stop other countries being difficult about letting us in and so that is where I see the biggest problem.
Not that it is going to be easy for others too: there’s a lot of vaccine diplomacy to be worked through. Who is going to recognise Sinovac? or the Indian version of AZ? or declare how long the duration of coverage for each vaccine will last? It’s ridiculously complicated for something that is basically everywhere, infecting anyone who has no immunity (and I include the vaccinated who have not had covid within that, as they are by no means immune unless it’s cross immunity from another coronavirus).
I agree. I think it will be dropped in the future as they realise the vaccines don’t stop you getting it or spreading it. they are only doing it now to increase uptake
Things will be dropped or not dropped according to how popular/unpopular they are or whether they suit wider purposes, never for sensible reasons.
Yes.
“I think this is just a “reward” for those who stepped forward to be vaccinated to avoid them kicking off at being treated exactly the same as the unvaccinated.” Exactly. As always, politics dressed as public health. They need to keep the jabbees sweet somehow.
Jeeezus. They could have gone with a lollipop and a sticker?
cheaper and appropriate for the level of critical thinking applied by the jabbees.
Anyone who uses Track and Trace needs their bumps feeling.
I saw an article about the fully vaxed being able to use separate lanes at the airport to get through quicker. How hilarious would it be if the non vaxed lane ends up quicker due to less people.
Get some boot polish and a dinghy and no travel restrictions apply
This is one of those news items that seem far more mundane than it actually is. This is absolutely huge.
If you are not vaccinated you can be placed under arbitrary house arrest, whereas if you are vaccinated you are exempted from house arrest.
That is what the rule says when you take away the euphemistic language.
A very very dark day in British history.
They gave to give the vaxxoids something in return for surrendering the last rags of their humanity.
If they drop QR. odes, how are they going to identify us humans anyway?
The legal system is not worth that label anymore.
Lol, good luck contacting me
Or me!
Does anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated participate in test and trace, I wonder?
Almost certainly not unless forced to via work, but people still may get hold of your number through various means.
No Will – I don’t have the NHS app and I’ve not been vaccinated. However, I am on the ONS study and take a PCR test once a month simply for the reason that they give me £25.00 on each occasion. Easiest money I’ve ever earned. 🙂
“Professor Chris Whitty has urged the nation to “push hell for leather” to reduce coronavirus infection rates and roll out the vaccines to prevent a significant increase in long Covid.”
“We don’t know how big an issue it’s going to be but I think we should assume it’s not going to be trivial.”
It’s going to be trivial
FFS. Has he not noticed that we have no way of controlling infection rates other than it being summer?
LOL literally 😁
“Hell for leather” Always a good approach in medicine when dealing with novel threats and treatments.
one interesting aspect
the vaccines don’t prevent you getting covid
as covid rises, people are going to be admitted to hospital ‘with’ and die ‘with’ but not ‘of’ covid and these will overwhelmingly be vaccinated people (because most are vaccinated and especially the old)
they will have to admit their numbers are bollox – only 15 months late!
But this winter’s epidemic will be a “flu” one. The vaccines cured coronavirus, remember?
So the people who die from the vaccine will actually have died with the new “flu”.
But this new flu, well we need to vaccinate EVERYONE against it. Anyone who isn’t vaccinated against the new flu is a POTENTIAL DEATHTRAP. In fact, we need a lockdown to stop the new flu. Social distancing. Masks. Track and trace. Bubbles in schools. Self-isolation. Quarantine. All to stop the spread of the deadly new flu.
They will need a new name for this deadly new flu? Covid-21?
Vaccine will become mandatory, and the Vaccine Passports will finally be upon us.
One holiday a year if you are good. Carbon credits. Social scoring. Digital currency with expiry dates.
Since they have said that vaccinations don’t stop transmissions, and they are now saying that the vaccinated can bypass rules to avoid transmissions, it can be concluded with certainty that this was never actually about transmissions, or a virus at all, but about compliance.
If it was always about compliance, then we can be certain that it was always about control.
The war for our freedoms has only just started.
Spot on. I was pointing this out today to someone who watches too much BBC. His face, as he realised it was true, was a picture.
When you don’t get jabbed, and you don’t get trapped and traced, because you avoid anywhere that insists on this LIKE THE BLOODY PLAGUE, then all this has little meaning.
Anyone know if Radacanu has been jabbed? But weird for an 18 year old to walk out of a dream scenario like that. Asking the question, not drawing conclusions
BBC have a lot to answer for there together with rest of MSM building her up massively when she is still very inexperienced. Scheduling was all wrong-she really should have been on much earlier in the day and not on Centre. It’s clear she found the occasion too much. Nothing to be ashamed of. Rated over 300 in the world and having reached the 4th round of a slam is a tremendous achievement. Mac had it dead right.
Yeah, that pressure, at that level, on a kid is likely to end in tears. Maybe she was vaxxed, but just as likely she broke under the situation.
People that age have WON Wimbledon. Not therefore a convincing argument.
I thought she was a good player – technically – and think she has great promise – but it would appear that she had a panic attack – far too much pressure on such a young kid – last British hope in the home slam etc etc etc.
I think you will find she was suffering from a condition called exhaustion.
Symptoms of fatigue
My thought precisely.
Call me Mr Picky but there are no fully vaccinated Brits
Funny my petition to opt out of the NHS (so that I’m not required to save it on the basis that it’s going to become a 2 tier service that doesn’t care about saving me) was rejected “because my claim was baseless”. I’ve kept the draft….
Please post your petition and the response!
They did offer a way to rephrase it. I could reword it, having to pay for something that I have to ‘protect’ which has been absolutely appalling to me over my life is galling.
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I’ve tried to opt out of their harassment campaign but it’s seemingly impossible – they told me to contact my GP, which I did and they said they couldn’t opt anyone out of NHS England communications. Repeating the question again to NHS England has simply been ignored, as has asking three times why they consider it acceptable to leak people’s vaccination status (by using very easily identifiable bespoke blue envelopes for the harassment letters). My most recent email to them asking for details of their complaints policy was – surprise, surprise – also ignored. Next step I am looking at is a complaint to the ICO about the blue envelopes, and possibly a complaint to the police and the local MP about ongoing NHS harassment. Probably won’t get anywhere, but this organisation now clearly thinks it can do whatever it likes, and unless people stand up to its bullying it isn’t likely to change its approach.
There is no opt out at all, no right to be forgotten, nothing. I do not trust them with my confidential records and would like them expunged, no chance sadly, to be sold to the highest bidder it seems.
Keep going please. I’m up to twenty separate contacts now. It’s all very boring.
Er, no!. We are just where we were this time last year, without this jab. The odds have shifted in our favour due to the normal seasonal variations – about the only thing that seems to have remained ‘normal’ these days.
and the delta variant being about as dangerous as athlete’s foot
Not according to well renowned UFO expert Feigl-Ding..
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1412368327150874625
It’s like a grenade!
where have you been steve ?- the delta variant is deadly don’t you know? – or so MSM would have us all believe. I know LOTS of people who are VERY worried about the delta variant and who will also be very worried about the next variant which emerges.
Should we worry about the Lambda variant?Michelle Roberts
Health editor, BBC News online
if you like. I’m not but that’s because I’m not a complete c#nt
The lambda variant is perfect for the sheep
Don’t be a Lambda to the slaughter.
Be a Freeman.
No coincidence that the game focused on containment of an experiment that went wrong too…
The Lambda sensor is located in your car’s exhaust system.
or
My thanks to Wikipedia.
Lambda, like Delta, are Freemason codes too and the origins are Greek numbers. I started researching this a couple days ago to see why the government are using these codes, but typically find there’s not enough hours in the day!
Im waiting for Omega. Im sure it’ll be way more fun.
Or Sigma.
The NHS surely have the phone numbers of most who have declined the vaccination, eg husband and I were each phoned three times by someone who wanted to discuss our ‘vaccination plan’ (!). ‘Contact tracers’ don’t, as I understand it, just work via the Test and Trace – they can also contact us and say they were given the number by a ‘close contact’. And they can text as well as phone. I trust we will be informed who this ‘close contact’ is?!
No, they don’t tell you who the contact was.
I must admit I thought they didn’t…well…I’ll be keeping careful track of the people I’m in ‘close contact’ with! Do we know how ‘close contact’ is defined?
I think close proximity for 15 mins minimum.
Thanks – yes, I found something that said ‘within six feet for 15 mins minimum’.
I suppose those who downloaded the Track and Trace didn’t really care that they weren’t told who it was. After all, one 16 year-old I know who downloaded it was delighted to get ten days off school. But I will VERY much care who it is, and will want to be told.
“That’s private!”
unlike your vaccine status, obviously
What about the superior immunity conferred by recovery from this deadly disease – 99.8%.
Don’t – and I’m biased here – we deserve world class beating passports?
Caught it in Hospital where I worked – note passed tense – as a volunteer.
Won’t be allowed back unless I’m fully jabbed. So, that’s me gone.
Oh no, these days health only comes from a needle, not nature.
The infantile moronic population really believe that.
This is discrimination against those with natural immunity.
What if I was to self-identify as vaccinated does that mean I can travel again?
Roughly 80% of the population will have natural immunity (figures from Diamond Princess experiment).
….
d) An awful lot of money is being made!
“Brits”?
You mean England. Absolutely no announcements have been made about NI, Scotland or Wales regarding it.
people in NI will NEVER be free – we are on our fourth wave (apparently) and the kind of easing planned for the rest of the UK has been branded by one of our devolved ministers as “completely reckless”. While the rest of you are enjoying whatever “freedom” the government deigns to give you spare a thought for the poor people of NI who are still enslaved to these rules. Chief Medical Officer says there is “no good reason to decline the vaccination” – I could give him several he obviously isn’t aware of.
I will continue to try to be untraceable as much and as often as possible.
Never done the QR shite, never given my correct name or phone number etc. tbc.
Eff ’em.
Or do Manuel from Fawlty Towers when asked about your details:
QUE?
This is blatant medical apartheid and segregation for a man made Fauci/Gate funded virus that disappeared before March 2020. Funny nothing has been done about Fauci or Gates and the CCP Wuhan lab?
AIDS carrier’s aren’t even treated with this sort of segregation and AIDS is actully a lethal virus.
From my research the UK Gov website says that: –
Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.
Something very sinister is happening like this is about the Great Reset.
Mr Javid added that “of course” anyone that tested positive would have to self-isolate whether they have had the jab or not. (BBC)
Quite. And your jabbed are going to be more likely to test positive.
And more likely to engage with the whole testing theatre, so …
Lol
I don’t know about more likely, but just as likely surely, since the Great Vaxx (or indeed any vaxx for that matter) doesn’t prevent you from being exposed to the virus and potentially having moderate amounts of it in your body while your immune system is showing it the door.
That’s just it, though, A. Your immune system doesn’t show it the door at all as a result of the jab. The jab just (possibly) reduces symptoms. You’ve still got it, and you can still pass it on. The only way they can game the system so the jabbed ‘look’ clean is to reduce the cycles on their pcr tests.
Of course, I know jack about jabs or virology, or science frankly, which puts me on a similar level to most members of SAGE, it seems.
Had the nth call from out local “vaccine team” today, taken on my
voice mail (my phone only rings if the caller is on my chosen “VIP” list).
I phoned them back and said I’ve already told you many times that I decline having the jab so will you please record that and stop phoning me.
He was very apologetic and said they’ve been having problems with their recording system and that they’ve been told that a lot.
He sounded sincere but are these people being told that the jab take-up rate is way too low and therefore they need to call everyone, including those who’ve already declined?
This is *nothing* to do with the App.
The app is not legally binding and people are anonymous.
This is entirely the main track and trace system where if they go through the script you are then legally obliged to follow.
Easy to avoid by leaving fake details when asked and blocking the number (0300 013 5000)
That way if they want you they’ll have to find resources to send someone to the door (very unlikely).
** This is nothing to do with the App **
They’re not removing restrictions, they’re increasing coercion.
With PCR tests running at 45 cycles, so many compliant guinea pigs will still get a +ve result and still self isolate, despite willingly offering their arms to the state. Don’t take the “vaccines” and don’t upload the f*cking apps!
There was never any evidence that the ‘vaccine’ immunised or prevented transmission – it said that on the NHS invitation to poison yourself. Given that, why are the government propagating this apartheid narrative? It’s rhetorical.