Whether it takes place on July 5th (unlikely!), July 19th or later, “Freedom Day” is supposed to be irreversible. So why is a senior health official saying we may need to lock down again this winter and why is a Cabinet Minister unable to deny it?
Dr Susan Hopkins, the Director for Covid at Public Health England, says “we may have to do further lockdowns this winter” – a claim which Justice Secretary Robert Buckland has refused to deny. So will this ever end?
The Independent has more.
Dr Hopkins… said Britain needed to move to a situation where we can “live with this” in the longer term.
She told the Andrew Marr Show: “I think that means that we wouldn’t normally put people into lockdown for severe cases of influenza.
“We may have to do further lockdowns this winter, I can’t predict the future – it really depends on whether the hospitals start to become overwhelmed at some point.
“But I think we will have alternative ways to manage this through vaccination, through antivirals, through drugs, through testing, that we didn’t have last winter, and all of those things allow us different approaches, rather than restrictions on lives and restrictions on livelihoods, that will move us forward into the next phase of learning to live with this as an endemic, as something that happens as part of the respiratory viruses.”
Asked about her comments, Justice Secretary Robert Buckland declined to rule out more restrictions, telling Times Radio: “The essence of the virus is you can’t ever say mission accomplished.”
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So where the Fuck is this idea that Lockdowns do any good whatsoever coming from?
Still not a scrap of evidence for locking down but loads to say imprisoning perfectly healthy people does not one iota of good. FFS.
“Irreversible”? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…
His understanding of medicine is based on arts background with a career in criminal law. It is quite remarkable that while he was prancing around the Welsh magistrates ,county and crown courts: I as with many other senior clinicians and academics were treating life and death medical problems YET he is now in a position to lecture us on my own risks. SAGE and lockdown supporting politicians such as he should bear civil responsibility for non Covid19 deaths which can be attributed to lockdown.
Heartily sick and tired of ‘it depends on whether hospitals can cope or not”.
Of course the hospitals will say they are struggling and need more resources including staff – they always have done and always will.
C***s the lot of them! Although C***s are useful….
We all know they’re going to lock down again as soon as they can, probably autumn. If we let them do it this time I fear we may be finished. We need mass civil disobedience, its our only hope and I believe it would work. Any serious pushback and these evil wimps will fold!
The ‘Mission’ was to ‘flatten the curve’! What mission are we on now, Minister?
“overwhelmed” = destroyed. When a ship is ‘overwhelmed’ at sea, it sinks; it’s destroyed. These desperately dishonest people mean “over-stretched” – which happens EVERY year in NHS hospitals. The ‘over-stretching’ was no worse in 2020 than in any other year, and less serious, for instance, than in 2017. Why is this simple fact not being screamed at people like this? Why didn’t Andrew Marr say something? Useless, useless, useless.
Here we go again. Getting the bad news in early to soften the blow to the conditioned masses. I doubt any regulars on here didn’t see this coming.
As he just said “mission accomplished”, actually used the words, I think you can say, mission accomplished. Govt, as Julia Hartley-Brewer writes in the MoS, has pretty much ignored ‘the dangerous virus’ and the applied regulations since last summer. That would be when the virus ran out of steam and functionally disappeared; became endemic. The moment when if you had panicked for a while and locked down, you would reopen. If however, everything was set up to deceive…
Its a worry that the UK Justice Sectretary is obviously clinically insane.
Funny how they don’t add extra capacity to the hospitals ….. o no they did, the Nightingales , then promptly decommissioned them just before the winter “wave”…..and of course now they won’t have enough staff due to mandatory vaccines. So the only option is to vaccinate every living thing without offering any therapeutics (otherwise the emergency use authorisation will fall). Problem, reaction, final solution….. mission accomplished Robert👍
It really is nothing short of miraculous that the human race has survived for thousands of years without kind-hearted public servants to tell us when we can see members of our own family, when we are allowed to visit different parts of the country, that we should put on masks in just about any public place and that we should participate in mass medical experiments to be allowed access to normal life. When will this country ever wake up? Based on the past 15 months or so, I would say the answer to that is “never”.
Off topic. perhaps, but saw this on reddit LS and thought it might be important. I have often noticed my Samsung Galaxy mobile phone will turn WiFi on in the presence of a WiFi signal even though I have turned the setting to not to automatically turn WiFi on. I have also noted that updates come without my asking.
Can the NHS Covid apps get snuck onto your phones without you knowing?
I quote:
It seems from reports on online forums that the state of Massachusetts stealthily downloaded a tracker on people’s smartphones.
The person goes on to show relevant code that overrides user settings.
Thanks.
Told you: they’re never going to let us out.
We’ll have to fight our way out.
Yes, here we are in LA LA Land, where the, at least, thirty and more peer-reviewed studies showing lockdowns have no benefit in medical terms and only cause immense damage to health and the economy, are constantly ignored. Sweden, ignored, all the open US States, ignored. Well I can’t do anything about the Government but I am ignoring anything they say, and I mean anything. My family have all agreed, finally, (maybe one dissenter) that we will never not see each other again, they can stick their lock-down where the sun don’t shine. I’ve even got at least two of them to agree they’ll never have another covid schmovid jab. Best friend will never have another jab, best friends daughter, not getting her second jab and bitterly regrets the first. Just keep the dissent up and refuse to bow-down to these amoral f***wits.
https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/
https://unherd.com/2020/07/swedens-anders-tegnell-judge-me-in-a-year/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3
Maybe someone can forward them these two interviews again.
I remember in another one, one of them actually stated that the main problem with lockdowns is the exit strategy, ‘How do they want to come out of this?’ following it with ‘Not my problem.’ (I think the precedent having been set is the even bigger problem, as we can see now.)
Read the Uni Duisburg-Essen study on testing and stop it, for good and chrissake!
Otherwise, there will always be multiple waves of the rebadged flus and multiple lockdowns each year, until the money has finally run out, then signified by a bog roll costing a £100billion.
The NHS will always be overwhelmed in Fall, Winter and Spring. That and its management incompetence and its doctors lazyness is a British character trait by now, like not taking responsibility for ones own decisions and mistakes, internationally known as the ‘wrong kind of leaves’ syndrom.
Well – not difficult to work out from the start that sociopathic significance seekers are going to be reluctant to give up power tools.
“You Can’t Ever Say Mission Accomplished”
With those words Buckland admits lockdowns will never end
They will.
When the money has run out.
When a bog roll costs a billion.
The only good thing is that therafter, our politicians and civil servants will be in for a huge surprise.
Contrary to their current thinking, that the state will then be debt- free and the civil service and its pensioners won’t have to make any sacrifices and that/because the government can borrow cheaply and a lot again, the very opposites will be true- see Germany from 1945-1975.
Once you have defaulted, no one lends you much and if anything, only at high rates.
And the state can then only spend the few leftovers of the private sector again, which will take decades to come to its feet again befor they can and will start to milk it and bloat the public sector again.
However these clowns have prepared for what they consider to be THEIR outcome, many will be in for a shock.
It’s the nature of WAR.
Irreversible? 😂😂😂😂
The Independent always has more. MUCH more pro vaxx, much more pro-lockdown, much more anti-UK bs. It specialises in this guff, with Sean O’Grady (he of the all kids must be vaxxed or be excluded from state education article recently ) being a particularly choice propagandist.
File along with its many other articles to be lodged with the post-C19 prosecutor.
What is that rag independent of? I’ve always wondered.
independent of the truth?
FA.
Not even a competent comic like The Graun.
Does this Sean O’Grady have children???
Dunno, but he has an Indy profile:
Quite what the relevance of the last line is, other than to establish his Mr Normal street credentials, is also unknown. Read it and weep:
Lovely chap then?
“Succession of more vicious variants”? Who the hell’s he/she/they been talking to? That’s not how viruses work is it, unless various NPI’s – including “vaccinations” – mess up the usual course of viral infection.
And what about the rights of the rest of us when someone who thinks they are well because they have reduced symptoms after “vaccination” goes about infecting people? I ask again, is it safe to be near people who have had these “vaccines”?
Seems like a nice boy. Wonder whether his mother knows what he does?
Just another round of the push me pull you psy-ops
June 21st no July 6th yes, winter lockdowns yes, but no if 81% etc, etc
This is only going to end when the people who are carrying it out are not in a position to carry it out
Leaving aside for a second that lockdowns do fuck all. Give me my tax back, I’ll sign a waiver exempting the NHS from having to treat me and then I can go about my merry way, no?
Vaccinations and testing ARE restrictions.
It is planned Demand Destruction.
For the plebs.
I suspect their are shills that support it, who believe they will be given/enjoy special privileges.
The vast majority of shills are in for a shock.
Probably so that the deferred wealth can be redirected into higher economic rents?
He said “…I think we will have alternative ways to manage this through vaccination, through antivirals, through drugs, through testing, that we didn’t have last winter, and all of those things allow us different approaches, rather than restrictions …”.
We already have most of these (I am puzzled about what new testing we will have, perhaps some that work?) so why aren’t they being used now?
They just make shit up
I don’t think it’s meant to make sense, as long as it sounds vaguely plausible
Indeed. And let’s not forget that we are not their audience.
Their audiences are solely the cult members and its cheerleaders.
And they believe and buy everything from them.
Actually not the cult members, but the general public who just go along with what they are told. Actual hardline cult members are fewer in number, IMO, and don’t need to be convinced. It’s the woolly middle you need to keep onside.
“We may have to do further lockdowns this winter, I can’t predict the future – it really depends on whether the hospitals start to become overwhelmed at some point.”
Rather than waste some £400B on lockdowns, PCR testing, experimental gene therapy shots, PPE, converting the few pubs that can remain open, when they’re allowed to do so, with “distancing” and one-way systems, widening pavements for “social distancing”, etc., surely it would have been better to admit from the start that none of those measures work, and to spend some of that £400B on improving the NHS and informing people on how to lead healthier lifestyles by exercising, taking vitamins, and not over-eating?
But that would not suit the agenda of making profits, culling the “useless eaters” and enslaving the survivors.
Or on cheap drugs known to be effective against covid, or on extra hospital capacity, better infection control in hospitals
But, but, Ivermectin is proven to only be 100% effective against Covid. How can that possibly meet the NHS’s high standards?
Thing is, even if they wanted to, they can’t admit that everything they’ve done hasn’t actually worked because that’s tantamount to admitting that they’ve ruined people’s lives, livelihoods and potentially killed people all for nothing.
Which is what this shite is all about.
You cant improve the NHS, it’s useless from design.
If you want to get better, you have to go private.
And orthomolecular medicine.
I once heard someone on radio talking about the benefits of consuming ones own urine. True or not, you’re never likely to hear about it as there’s no money in it. Money talks.
Finally, I have got a pot to piss in.
No – really??? Well blow me down with a feather!
Another chilling video. Police state – Ireland’s New Garda Powers
(I know that brandnewtube is full of crap and stuff about the mark of the beast and biblical nonsense, but there are gems to be found amongst the muck, and I think this one of them. I think it relevant to the Covid agenda in the UK.)
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/police-state-ireland-s-new-garda-powers_cZyldqrBrOjMqNI.html
The Bible is not nonsense, Emerald Fox, and you wouldn’t dare phrase your comment like that if you were talking about the Koran. Your contempt blinds you.
This is not the End Times – but evil exists, and those behind these current events serve evil purposes, and that is clear from their devotion to money, their devotion to lies, and their willingness to kill, or risk death among the old and amongst children.
If you read it he didn’t say the bible was nonsense, he said biblical nonsesee, which could also mean the opposite to what you seem to be assuming.
I am not talking about what he said simply the interpretation of the words he used. It seems some people look for offense when their religion is mentioned.
He didn’t claim that the Bible ‘is nonsense’ – just that this miscellaneous collection contains nonsense – an irrefutable fact.
The Bible contains ‘nonsense’ an irrefutable fact?
Would you like to present any examples of the irrefutable nonsense you describe?
A lot of things I can find impenetrable and often need reading many times but I certainly haven’t come across any nonsense when reading it let alone ‘irrefutable nonsense.’
I read many Biblical scholars many academic and often Christian and I would be more inclined to take their responses on things and not one of them has made a comment regarding nonsense.
So your comment is really a subjective statement and irrefutable shouldn’t be applied to it in this context.
Simply say that you don’t understand it – that will make more sense.
You seriously believe the story of Noah’s Ark?
Of course, I think they have found the remains of at least three of them.
It’s probably a fictional rewriting of a true event. A lot of civilisations have a flood myth, which suggests that there have been major floods.
Yep, the creation of the Black Sea.
But there are plenty of people who believe the Ark and the animals.
I didn’t say these things have to be taken literally but I am willing that God can create miracles when He wishes. The world is testament to that. Anything is possible including Noah’s Ark.
“Would you like to present any examples of the irrefutable nonsense you describe?”
Starting at random from Genesis … The rendering of the Creation and the Flood (if accepted as reality rather than myth) ; the whole history of Israel from Abraham through Egypt; the idea of a sadistic child abusing bossy psychopath being a ‘loving’ god, rather than an archetypal excuse for hierarchical priestly dominance’; the Walls of Jericho….. to virgin births, loaves and fishes and resurrection.
Just for starters.
Nonsense is interesting in an anthropological sense – but it ain’t reality.
The Bible is an interesting paste-job mish-mash of myth and legend with some interesting philosophy.
… but containing a lot of nonsense to equal Covid.
You have listed a lot of things that if taken literally you appear to reject. That is fair enough but a choice rather than an example of ‘nonsense’. Nonsense in your example really means that with which you don’t believe.
As example taking any of the list you are saying that the God of the heavens and the earth who created all things and nothing from which everything came and everything will return who created the animals the earth and the oceans, as well as the people of this world is not capable of any producing any of the list above?
Why when he has created all things anyway of those which I am assuming you simply take for granted such as your and your children’s birth? Isn’t that a miracle in and of itself? How can these things come to pass if not by miracle? A miracle that no one on this earth can mirror. If births were of the virgin variety you would have no problem.
But because the virgin birth is not of your experience you not only reject it you call it nonsense. When God has demonstrated all before you and given you eyes to… Read more »
No offense intended – brandnewtube, which I discovered in February, seems to have been set up as an alternative to YouTube because YT was (and is still) censoring what they decide is ‘misinformation’ about Covid.
It’s a bit of a shaky site, and I think it’s not helped by being flooded with so much religious content and utter tripe about UFOs and the like, which makes it look like amateur conspiracy nut-job drivel instead of a focused and rational site for the videos YT does not like.
I’m afraid I am not religious, but I will agree with you when you say evil exists.
YT used to be full of that sort of material, and probably still is.
I’m of the opinion a lot of that “content” is placed there to “drop a turd in the ice-cream”.
The establishment never deny something they just make up more ridiculous somethings to drown it out.