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Live Music Venues Beset by Regulations – and Not Just Ones Imposed by the Government

by Michael Curzon
26 May 2021 4:46 PM

Audiences at Ronnie Scott’s Jazz Club won’t be dancing cheek to cheek anytime soon, with the famous London venue having introduced a raft of “Covid protocols” (some already required by the Government, others not), including mask-wearing, facial thermometers and protective screens. Here’s a list of new rules from their website.

  • Face coverings must be worn when entering and leaving the venue or anytime you are not seated. Staff will wear face coverings.
  • Upon entering the club there will be an optional sanitiser station and a facial thermometer which you will be asked to use;
  • All guests must scan the Track and Trace QR Poster on arrival at the club.
  • We have removed entrance furniture to ease congestion in and out of the venue;
  • We have increased our cleaning system using medical grade sanitiser on all surfaces;
  • We politely ask customers not to bring excessive baggage that needs to be checked into the cloakroom to ease congestion upon entering and leaving the club;
  • Increased hand washing of staff and staff health declarations;
  • We have gone cashless. Your PDQ machine will be cleaned between each use;
  • We have reduced capacity to 50% to allow for spacing between guests;
  • We have adapted our air conditioning system to ensure there is 100% fresh air being circulated in the club;
  • We have installed some protective screens in certain areas.

As if this wasn’t enough, the Club points out that these are “just a few” of the measures which it has introduced to ensure the safety of its staff, musicians and audience members. Incredibly, it says that this can all be done while “maintaining the atmosphere of the club”. Yeah, right!

If all (or most) live entertainment venues return to action in this manner, their post-lockdown recoveries could well be short-lived.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Boycott these venues, don’t play their silly games

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Agree but sadly many will go along to get along

The evil bastards have opened Pandora’s Box and they wouldn’t know how to close it even if they wanted to

This kind of nonsense will plague us for years

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Venues were struggling already before all this. It’ll only take a few potential customers to give it all a miss and they’ll go to the wall.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Ronnie has already gone and soon this once sought after famous venue will sink without trace. Though sad in itself, it is just a tiny part of the extinction level event going on all around us.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rowan
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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I agree. Sanity and the performing arts are being killed by hypochondriacs and sociopaths.

They need crushing underfoot – but I see no impulse in that direction.

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Stixcraven
Stixcraven
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I think that the sane amongst us really do need to go to these venues. This 8s the way to make sure a) There are still paces to go should this shit show ever come to an end & b) Break the rules. It really won’t take long for others to join. I think this is the only way things will change and some normality will return.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

“Boycott these venues”

I think many of us will – simply because they no longer exist in a real sense – not out of choice.

But ‘Boycott!!’ is just piss and wind. It solves nothing, although in the long term, the natural fall off in audiences might help to generate a change of perspective.

The absurd nonsense that has been created is beyond the wildest nightmares of 2019 and earlier, with sociopaths essentially dictating the nature of life. Literally – insane.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

They will be boycotted by many simply because going there will no longer be a worthwhile experience. Ronnie Scott’s futile measures are aiding and abetting in its own destruction.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Agreed. This article has been one of the most depressing things I have read recently.
I’ve never been to RS’s, but always thought I might one day.
All the sanitary measures are in jarring contrast to the slightly louche, smoky, boozy state of relaxation I crave when listening to jazz. (Well, maybe not the smoke, but you know what I mean…)

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I fear that you are right – as you say – ultimately hari-kiri.

I have given up on the orchestra I play with until normality returns. A body, mostly of normally intelligent and skilled people who are at no serious threat even in a raging epidemic, has assented to split into two (size constraints), to social distance and to wear masks.

Not my idea of enjoyment and co-operative musical activity. In fact, its very antithesis.

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bluemoon
bluemoon
4 years ago

This venue used to be such fun back in the day. Great atmosphere, great music, the guys that worked there were a riot. Sigh.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemoon

What do you think Ronnie himself would have had to say about this?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago

Businesses that do this can sink. Buh-bye!

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

And you really think you’ll be left with something worthwhile?

Well – if you like derelict bomb sites and pathological solitariness …..?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I work in the arts so am not unaffected by this, but things are so screwed up in my opinion that quite frankly I’d see it all go and see myself lost to it simply to drive home the point that being a sociopathic coward comes at a grave cost.

There will be a renaissance, there always is, but I think that it may be up to younger generations. This society is well and truly lost imo and could do with a wake up call in the form of mass social bereavement.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Precisely right. When something or someone commits suicide, all that remains is a corpse. The interim stage of expiry after taking the poison and before death is just death throes.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

Yes, if you’ve ever seem someone die this society is uncannily like someone riddled with cancer.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

I’d say Leukaemia to be exact.
Something there to defend the rest of the body/nation, but grows out of size, yet become totally useless at it’s defence role.
The state has gone metastatic during this lockdown.

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Have a look at the mouse utopia experiments, social media has ushered in the end times, the vapid are rewarded and the rest give up.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

I take your point – but wrecking balls and demolition charges work much quicker than bricklayers and masons.

I thought it was just my particular response – but many of the musicians I know haven’t often picked up an instrument – because the essential social component has gone, and group activity – the social core of music – has gone.

On the professional side, one family member has been lucky as working in a national company, and thus being provided with some protection. But – as you will know, many free-lancers are without work, and even at the top of the game, free-lance musicians have been looking for alternative employment.

That’s the wrecking ball in action.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes, destruction is easy, creativity is difficult. Many cultures have learned this and remember the lesson. Ours doesn’t. I blame centuries of empire. Theft is easy, hard graft isn’t.

I know a lot of musicians and many have reacted as you say, but then I know a lot who’ve actually made a lot of progress in this time and have actually taken music on board even more, myself included. I’d say I know more in this latter category, but their interest in music is for its own sake rather than social. They aren’t going to be contributing to the recreation of night life, although you might find them on YouTube.

I always said that the hard times would come after the ‘pandemic’ and people would look at me funny. Now they know what I meant. A lot of it is their fault, and they increasingly know it.

Last edited 4 years ago by Noumenon
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Hopeless
Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

“Progress” has over decades apparently required the destruction or removal of previous progressive steps. As a mundane example, the Victorians made great progress in public hygiene, especially public lavatories. 150 years on, we apparently want to go back to people routinely having to relieve themselves in hedges and alleys, in absence of now-closed public lavatories.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

They’ve been closing public toilets for years and the Covid event has added further impetus to this nonsense. This is something that you become much more aware of as you slip into old age.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

I always said that the hard times would come after the ‘pandemic’ 

We ain’t seen nothing yet, for many of those who’ve risked the Covid injections, chronic illness and worse will be all that’s left.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rowan
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think you’ve put cart before horse (as is common with marxist “thought”). Because it was not worthwhile, it has gone bankrupt.

Last edited 4 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Exactly. The fact is both I and many others have got better things to do than frequent venues like this. They no longer serve their purpose. There’s work needs to be done elsewhere to sow seeds in fertile ground, not barren deserts.

The old jazz men are all dead now anyway. If you want jazz pick up yer guitar and make some goddamn jazz. Screw these people.

Last edited 4 years ago by Noumenon
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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Still plenty of young jazzers. For example Shabaka Hutchings and his numerous groups – Shabaka And The Ancestors, The Comet Is Coming, Sons Of Kemet.

I think his best work is with Louis Moholo and his Four Blokes/Five Blokes/Six Blokes. Uncle Louis is now eighty and the other players much younger

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Oh dear, another thumb-sucking fixation with irrelevant.’marxism’ instead of using intelligence.

In actuality, this disaster is one brought about to the benefit monopoly capitalists by ‘free market’ fanatics. Just look at the movement in the balance of resources.

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mm99
mm99
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You’ve got to vote with your feet. What’s the alternative?

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Exactly. Ronnie Scott’s is now clearly run by morons for morons.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rowan
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

no, “woke” entertainment will get taxpayer “support”, just look how long the BBC has parasited upon the British people.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Not so, the arts have been systematically de-funded. What you might see left is woke, but even a lot of that’s gone and increasingly so.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

I wanted to book 2 tickets for Andrew Lawrence gig in Camberley.
I would have claimed my exemption, of course, and turn around if that was not accepted.
Maybe someone who went there or to Ronnie Scott’s can let us know how that was handled?
(The booking process was too cumbersome, I donated him the 30quid instead.)

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

I demand the chairs have seatbelts!!
can’t be too careful.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

And you must wear your seat belt when going to the lavatory, attaching it to the tank.

Last edited 4 years ago by Annie
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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Ditto Crash helmets.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

And Crash helmets.

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JiveBear
JiveBear
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

and Air Bags

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago

I wonder if, outside the picture above, his saxophone is also wearing a face muzzle?

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Haha I just posted the same comment to my WhatsApp lads chat – only N3 filters will do!

Does make you wonder if they realise where the air goes…..

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mattblack
mattblack
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Mask that damn saxamafone

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Flying Saucer
Flying Saucer
4 years ago

Used to hang-out at Ronnie’s in the 70’s most nights till 3am when I should have been studying at uni, and was a regular visitor over the years, but won’t be back there anytime soon. Those new regs are no way to operate, the fun has gone. Play ‘The Last Post’!

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Niborxof
Niborxof
4 years ago

Goodbye Ronnie Scott’s. You fulfilled a vaulable function before you cowed to utter madness.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
4 years ago

Cripes a’mighty. I should think Ronnie Scott would be spinning in his grave at this crap. Another venue killed by these weedy folks. A sad fate for something started by an unconventional pioneer of modern jazz in the UK.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago

Think we may give it a miss.
How do they think they will attract anyone like this???
What on earth would possess you pay good money to be treated like this?

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Hopeless
Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Nothing

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Jolly Green Giant
Jolly Green Giant
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Last week, me and the ball & chain called at one of our (once favourite) locals to find that they’ve now imposed a regime that’s not far off this description of Ronnie Scott’s. Not quite as bad – but close.

We swiftly moved on to another of our locals, where the atmosphere and regime are altogether more relaxed to the point of *almost* feeling like normal. Some lip-service being paid here & there to “The Rules”, but not to the point of being completely off-putting.

Guess which boozer we’ll be frequenting from now on, and which one we won’t be going back to?!

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Used to go to Ronnie Scott’s a lot when I was younger. It was dark, smoky, hot and a bit cramped – what you would expect from a traditional jazz club, known the world over. People went for the atmosphere. They won’t anymore!

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Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

40 years ago I sat in the lobby of Rusacks Hotel, St Andrews as the ex-head girl of Benenden and my then wife asked Ronnie Scott why he had ‘double dipped’ for his expenses at St Andrews Festival and a gig in Edinburgh to rip off a little student festival. This all feels pretty familiar. Not cuddly people at all.

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sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
4 years ago

Deserve to go under unfortunately.

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TC
TC
4 years ago

I always wanted to visit Ronnie Scott’s but now I never will.
Jazzmen used to be known as rulebreakers and non-conformists, Eddy “Lockjaw” Davis supposedly saying he became a jazz musician because he saw them smoking, drinking, getting up late and having lots of girlfriends so he chose that path for himself.
I wonder what his school’s career officer was like?

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

In Rock music there’s the legendary Keith Richards who I’m sure has been dead for several years but nobody has told him.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

When the world ends the only things left will be Keith Richards…and some cockroaches.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

They’ll soon exclude unvaxxed as well. They can have it. Sounds utterly awful.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Somewhere not to go, hope many feel the same

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago

With no standing at the bar and half the seating gone, it won’t just kill the atmosphere but kill recovery. Unless pricing most out of entry is their plan.

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

They will end up subsidised, sucking on the tax payer as ‘they had no choice but to follow the government guidance’.

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Marmalade
Marmalade
4 years ago
  1. Don’t wear a mask, just tell them that you’re exempt.
  2. Tell them you don’t have a smartphone so can’t scan the silly QR code, sign the paper with false details instead.
  3. Enjoy!
Last edited 4 years ago by Dave Bollocks
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Garfy1967
Garfy1967
4 years ago

Unfortunately, this is typical of venues across the country encompassing the arts, sport and hospitality. Businesses are quite clearly making up their own rules over and beyond any actual government guidance.
Now, there are two reasons for this…they either think they are doing us a favour because they actually believe that people who want to go to such venues are absolutely terrified and therefore won’t set foot in them unless rules are in place to reassure and pacify them. Or they think that the rules are necessary to avoid fines or closure by the authorities. Either way, they have all rolled over and let this happen with barely a whimper and a disappointing lack of fight or rebellion.
I received an email from a county cricket club I am a member of, “welcoming” back fans, but then followed a long list of restrictions, rules, do’s and don’ts and a code of conduct you are required to follow under threat of expulsion. This is to watch a county cricket match in the open air that will be attended by a few hundred die hard fans at best in a ground with a capacity of 10,000. I emailed the club telling them that they sure knew how to suck the joy and pleasure from attending a cricket match and had destroyed the very essence of what a “day out at the cricket” is all about and I wouldn’t be going anytime soon.
Needless to say I have had no reply. But nevertheless, these people need to know. So get emailing and make your feelings known.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Bankruptcy beckons

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Fast they deserve it.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago

That picture just looks

Absolutely

And utterly

Ridiculous

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Drew63
Drew63
4 years ago

The end of a pandemic is almost always a social phenomenon. Not a medical or scientific or even (in our case) a legal/Governmental one.

Covid-19 won’t be over when Boris Johnson, or Chris Whitty, or Anthony Fauci, says so. It will be over when enough people get tired of playing silly covid games and just start getting on with life. When the benighted fools wearing face masks in the street begin to understand how ridiculous they are. When they realise how much their paranoid idiocy is costing them in terms of lost life experience.

I’m not going to worry about what delusions the managers of Ronnie Scotts’ Jazz Club might harbour. Society, and events, will pass them by soon enough.

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OMatt
OMatt
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

Agreed. And if the comments in the Daily Mail (yes, I know) and other places are anything to go by, people seem to be waking up rapidly. It’s very encouraging.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Drew63

The young will wake up quickest and might tip the balance. They don’t have the most to lose, but they have the most to never potentially gain.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago

Jazz meets Dystopia lol.

I do think if people who would ‘normally’ frequent these kinds of places emailed them explaining that whilst they can understand some level of precautions being taken in the current climate, their current system of viewing the paying public as radioactive means you won’t set foot in the place.

Even with all the ridiculous precautions they have planned, I imagine only desperate jazz enthusiasts will give it a go. No doubt once will be enough for them too!!

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago

Not much fun if you have to go through all that crap. Stay in with a few records and a good supply of beer. Invite some friends and make your own speakeasy.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Sure. though I do think, that the first place bold enough to say: ‘we’re ditching the theatrics, any homosapienophobes can simply stay at home..’ will live long and prosper. 🙂

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

This Jazz Club wins the prize for most woke business in the world. Apparently Jazz fans are all about following the protocols and doing what the Man says.

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imp66
imp66
4 years ago

As far as I’m concerned these venues can do one! I won’t be giving them a penny. I won’t jump through these unnecessary hoops.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago

I’ve just emailed RS’s with my despairing reaction. I told them their venue sounds like a Swiss clinic.

I hope they won’t be another of Ferguson’s casualties.

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Jolly Green Giant
Jolly Green Giant
4 years ago

Up to now I’ve been very sympathetic towards the ongoing plight of the hospitality sector. But quite frankly, any venue that insists on foisting all this nonsense onto paying punters when there really is no need any more deserves to go tits-up. One thing’s for sure, they won’t be getting my trade.

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Jolly Green Giant
Jolly Green Giant
4 years ago

Up to now I’ve been very sympathetic towards the plight of the hospitality sector. However, any venue that insists on foisting this nonsense onto paying punters when it’s just not necessary any more deserves to go bust as far as I’m concerned. One thing’s for sure, they won’t be getting any of my trade.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago

I had a tradesman round a couple of days ago, who worked in private houses all through the lockdown.
He said that he & wife have invested in a large, garden hot tub with covered seating, outdoor heaters, lights & music, plus a fridge.
Every third week, two couples come to them. On the other two weekends, they collect at one of other of they’re friends “garden bars”.
Said they really like their small gatherings & don’t plan to return to pubs unless & until all measures are removed.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

Why would anyone go to such a place. It won’t be long before they see the light, I mean their decrease in profits and do an about turn. They have been well and truly frightened. Well done to those indulging in scare tactics, another success.

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
4 years ago

Hi all . . . For an alternative in the London area you could try the Cavern Freehouse in Raynes Park. Don’t know anything about restrictions – their website says ‘5 weeks of limited crowds then *NORMALITY*’ . . . possibly a bit optimistic, but sounds like the right sort of spirit.
Tomorrow night (Fri 28th) features ‘Ken Pustelnik’s GROUNDHOGS’, a most sceptical band! No Tony McPhee, I’m afraid, but a 4-piece rockout unit with the original drummer (Ken P) playing a load of those great tunes from 1969-1971. . . should be *ahem* interesting.

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