Over 40 health experts have expressed their “grave concerns regarding all proposals to administer Covid vaccines to children” in an open letter sent to the Chief Executive of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). The letter was organised by Dr Ros Jones, a member of the Health Advisory and Recovery Team (HART), and warns against a “repeat of any past tragedies which have occurred especially when vaccines are rushed to market”. The Telegraph has more.
In a joint letter, [the health experts] warned it is “irresponsible, unethical and unnecessary” to jab children and urged the medicines watchdog not to “repeat mistakes from history”.
Their intervention came as Matt Hancock announced that Britain had bought enough Pfizer vaccines to inoculate all children over the age of 12.
The Health Secretary said the Government would be “very, very careful and sensitive” about whether to roll out the vaccination programme to children, but stressed that research showed the jabs were safe.
He told MPs on Monday that a decision was likely to be taken within the next two months while the rollout continued through younger age groups.
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[The letter reads:] “Extreme caution has been exercised over many aspects of the pandemic, but surely now is the most important time to exercise true caution.“We must not be the generation of adults that, through unnecessary haste and fear, risks the health of children.”
The letter has been signed by over 40 medics, scientists and doctors including Professor Karol Sikora, Dean of Medicine at Buckingham University, and Lord Moonie, a former consultant in Public Health Medicine.
It argues that while there are clear benefits of a vaccine for the elderly and vulnerable, the balance of benefit and risk for youngsters is “quite different” since healthy children are at “almost no risk” from Covid.
The letter goes on to say that children do not need the vaccination to support herd immunity, adding that recent modelling suggests the U.K. has now achieved the herd immunity threshold.
“All medical interventions carry a risk of harm, so we have a duty to act with caution and proportionality,” it says.
“This is particularly the case when considering mass intervention in a healthy population, in which situation there must be firm evidence of benefits far greater than harms”.
A new petition, flagged up in today’s News Round Up, says that children should not be given Covid vaccines until Phase Three trials are complete.
The Telegraph report is worth reading in full.
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Hancock is one of the most truly evil sickest individuals ever to be holding the levers of power in this country. A national disgrace who has been wanting to “get at” the children since the very start of this coup. He will face his day of judgement soon.
Apparently he has sprogs. How any father can for a single instant even contemplate such monstrous abuse is beyond me. Utterly.
How can you justify your ever shifting position Annie? One minute you want to go along with the vaxx scam if it help ends lockdown (ie the official government narrative), and also agreeing with Jane G that you didn’t want to be an extremist anti-vaxxer, then today claim vaxxination of kids is monstrous.
And before you claim the context is different, it isn’t. You were both replying to my comment criticising Prof. Dingwall on 16th May, in which I pointed out what was going to happen if kids were vaxxed (using government MHRA stats):
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/05/16/government-nervtag-adviser-appears-on-the-bbc-questioning-the-models-masks-lockdowns-and-more/#comments
I don’t recall saying that I’d force the snake oil on anybody else, whatever their age. I do recall saying I’d take it – I’d take it – if I thought it stopped Covid, i.e. if I thought it worked. Actually I don’t believe that it has any effect whatsoever on infection or transmission. I also recall saying that if the government decides that the delusion that the snake oil works is sufficient reason to lift lockdown, then people can have the snake oil if they want it, as far as I am concerned. Sorry if all this is beyond your powers of comprehension.
While you are quite happy calling the mandatory vaxxing of kids ‘monstrous abuse’ if it suits your agenda one minute, you also state you are unconcerned with people (kids are simply young people btw) taking the vaccine. This ethical duplicity is precisely what I am calling out.
This experimental vaxx program is either ethically wrong or it it isn’t. There’s too much fence sitting among self declared sceptics, and this alone is giving a green light for ever more government coercion and abuse. Or is it that most sceptics have already bowed to peer pressure and rolled up their sleeves – or maybe they just trust in TY’s carefully crafted ATL government approved narrative – including promoting the ghastly age based apartheid proposed by the pro-vaxx GBD brigade as a fall back position if there was any meaningful sceptic resistance? Don’t worry Mr Johnson, nothing too see here but some scared bunny rabbits.
FYI gene therapy is NOT snake oil, a term used to describe a useless placebo or fake potion. This experimental ’emergency program’ is dangerous, with its long term effects still unknown. It is currently killing at least 1 in 44,000 (probably 1 in 4400 using the MHRA caveat) and has seriously impacted the health of tens of thousands in the UK alone. Even arch vaxxer Tim Spector admits that anyone under 65 taking the experimental vaxx was a statistical nonsense from the off, as the chances of dying from the vaxx become increasingly higher than dying from C19 under that age. Yet you are unconcerned about this government mandated carnage being the price of ending lockdown?
BTW the NHS has been at full stretch since the experimental vaxx roll out got going, and it ain’t from C19. Even in May the NHS is still at almost full bed occupancy. But I admit you are right on one point, such duplicity IS well beyond my comprehension. Just like basic ethics seem to be beyond you. ‘Utterly’.
I’d be the last person to suggest you take the snake oil, dear thing, but you do urgently need an anti-venom shot.I believe some specialist medical practices can provide them.
Am I the only ones beginning to find these rants against Toby, the site and now the people posting on it a bit fishy!
Is someone forcing you to come here? It’s like the ‘telly, if you don’t like it, switch it off!
There is no duplicity ethical or otherwise that I can see in an adult doing something, but not wanting a youngster to do it. If I want to go out and get pissed, then have a tattoo on my arse, I’m an adult, it’s my business. If I want to smoke wacky-backy or any number of things, ditto. I’m not making an ethical choice when I don’t want my young children doing the same!
The thought of any young person getting the vaccine is abhorrent o me.
Most adults, you see, can hold more than one idea in their head without it being cognitive dissonance. I personally don’t want the vaxx but if other adults do, and regardless of what you think they might well have very good reasons for thinking they need it, they should be allowed. I say this knowing all about the deaths and injuries being caused. It is still their choice.
What is duplicitous is ranting against people having the vaxx, and using the same coercive arguments that the other side is using, to try and force vaccination.
You have decanted the argument down to just right or wrong, when it is no such thing.
You appear to be unaware that your arguments make you seem as blinded by your own fanaticism as ‘the other side.’
Perish the thought that he has fathered progeny.
I can’t bear to see his horrible sneering face. He is truly a vile individual, yet most people think he’s helping the country. What a naive race the British have become.
We have no idea whatsoever of the possible short- and medium-term effects of these “vaccines” on adults, let alone any long-term ones. Whilst it may (debatably) be in the interests of consenting adults to receive them, even with the lack of completed trials and absence of information on possible effects, it cannot be anything but unethical to administer this stuff to those aged 12-18; with or without the agreement of parents or others.
The fact that the drug companies are already indemnified against any actions arising from the ill-effects of these potions is not a reason to add a mad rush to vaccinate children to the already-vast list of ill-conceived, dangerous and ill-judged actions perpetrated by this rotten Government, egged on by its despicable coterie of “advisers”. Those without any medical or direct scientific knowledge of what’s involved in these vaccines should pipe down, and those with the qualifications should really consider their ethical positions; assuming they possessed any in the first place, which seems doubtful in many cases.
The Telegraph article is behind a paywall. I have a subscription but would like to share this article with colleagues. Is this article available for free anywhere? PressReader or suchlike?
Majority of articles that are dangerous to the government’s narrative are hidden behind paywalls.
You can find it on web.archive.org
Thanks, AfterAll, the Telegraph article is indeed there with no need for a subscription.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210519155816/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/18/vaccine-roll-children-faces-backlash/
Allegedly you can defeat the Telegraph paywall by pressing the ESC key as the page is loading. Or by hitting the X button on a mobile device browser. You might have to try it a couple of times before you get the timing right.
ESC worked!
you can also read them direct if you switch off javascript first.
I’ll be forwarding this on to my slimy MP.
apologies for those that don’t like ‘excess deaths’ metric
but given that its used I plotted it for this year
looks like we’ll end up with about zero
probably because the early excess this year were vaccine deaths of people really in their last few months of life
Don’t apologize for a nonsense term for which you aren’t responsible, Steve.
Your conclusion is right. I remember looking at the weird extent of the cliff-like post-Christmas rise in mortality and scratching my head – it looked so obviously ‘artificial’.
It was a bit later that 2+2 could be seen to equal the ‘vaccine’ affecting the vulnerable population and creating a spike reflected elsewhere.
Is there anywhere these shots don’t create spikes?
That was a joke. I’ll get my coat…
This same steep post vaxx rise in deaths has been in many countries, and was featured in today’s UK Column shown against an extrapolation of pre-vaxx deaths. This section starts at 16m40s, but I advise watching the program from the start as it cover vaxx adverse events in some detail
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-19th-may-2021
This is insanity beyond belief – what makes it even more incredible is that there people out there who will actually go along with this unimaginable madness.
Not insanity, but evil.
“while there are clear benefits of a vaccine for the elderly and vulnerable”
I don’t dispute this, but the heard of elephants stampeding through the room is; are there clear benefits to any other group, not just children, in having these treatments. I think, given the very small number of people under 70 that have died from COVID, and the disproportionate number of side-effects (16 times the number for flue jabs from reports I’ve seen) the answer has to be no. With that in mind there can be no ethical basis for recommending, let alone coercing, other groups into having these treatments. By all means give people the full facts including highlighting the existing yellow card adverse reaction reports, and let people have the treatment if and only if they want it and are fully aware of the possible risks.
We don’t even know if there are benefits for the elderly and vulnerable. The data that could show that (all-cause mortality and morbidity in those particular groups, measured from day of treatment against a control group) have not been published, and given the zeal with which they are trying to eliminate any control group, we may never know.
Absolutely. I’m amazed how easily some self-identifying ‘sceptics’ have swallowed this bit of government sick like a starving cur!
Vaccinate your child and history will view you as unworthy of being a parent.
‘History‘? No, sorry but I view such idiots as unworthy of being a parent now.
Completely agree. I’d just like to see a world where our minority view surpasses the majority view and people’s collective moral compasses shift to true north rather than the deviant version we have now. Guess it’s slowly, slowly catchee monkey…
The thing is that the ‘majority view’ in issues like this should be irrelevant in these basics of individual rights and liberty.
This is what distinguishes ‘majoritarianism’ (the dictatorship of the majority) from advanced ‘democracy’.
I don’t see the difference between majoritarianism and advanced democracy. In fact, of anything, those 2 have nothing to do whatsoever with morality.
I rarely sign online petitions but I have signed this one and I urge others to sign it as well. The petition makes the important point that the vaccines are still undergoing Phase III Trials and I suspect many people (including MPs) are not aware of this.
The petition needs 100k signatures in order to force a debate. That might, at least, raise awareness that the vaccines are still at an experimental stage. Ideally we could do with around half a million or more to really drive home the point.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/586017
Signed. This is an utter disgrace.
Any doctor who supports this should face disciplinary action
Sorry to disappoint but Parliament left town in March 2020
The field is open for the dictatorship to do exactly what it wants
Signed earlier. Disagree with jabbing kids altogether, but at least it would buy us another year and a half
Exactly. If the vaccines do cause long term damage some of it will be evident by then
Or maybe one of the doctors or professionals would actually like to start speaking up properly. Join a protest, start getting political. People are crying out for real action, real leadership from those within.
Writing letters has got us nowhere. The nightmare rumbles on.
There is something very wrong with these petitions. Your signature is not counted until you have received an email and verified it. The email never arrives, therefore your protest is unheard. Could someone please look into this, I am an 80 year old technophobe and wondering if it another of the government’s scams?
Have you checked the email hasn’t gone into your spam/junk/trash? i’ve signed a few petitions & have always received the email.
This petition stood at 9K signatures on Wednesday morning, there is almost 25K as of 8.20 Thursday evening
The indemnity given to pharmaceutical companies raises obvious ethical interests, matters of conflicting interests and issues of the mangement of public resources.
But it also raises a very practical issue that connects closely to concerns about constitutional imbalances in the UK – the fundamental old ‘checks and balances’ problem that is central to democracy.
To take away responsibility for actions immediately takes away a key balancing restraint, whether at a personal or at a corporate level.
Obviously, to abandon absolutely fundamental ethical constraints about damage that accrues from recklessly ignoring fundamental principles regarding consent and a clear rationale for the administration of a medicine in terms of the benefit/harm equation opens the way to encouraging abuse.
This is clear with regard to adults. In respect of children and Covid, it is glaring.
If the industry is absolved by government, then any culpability should be transferred to government, with no legal permissiveness being allowable. Instead, we have the law being bent to limit redress to quite paltry sums.
Is “The indemnity given (by the government) to pharmaceutical companies” actually constitutional?
We don’t have a constitution – which is why it is legal.
Yes. Government can pass which laws it likes.
But if there are clear harms caused then the political fall out will eventually be very high.
They will try to cover them by blaming Covid.
Natural Selection
If the Covidians kill their children will the Sceptic gene become dominant?
More likely is that the Chinese will become dominant!
I’m sure there were people in 1930’s Germany who signed petitions, and discussed ‘constitutional balances’
Wake up folks. This is a dictatorship
They plan to kill you and your children
You’re setting up a false dichotomy. I guess there were many in 1930’s Germany who also talked about revolt.
Lockdown and Experimental Vaxx are the inseparable sides of the same policy coin, and have been since March 2020 (and probably before, as documents come to light). One can’t go along with this ‘vaxx superstition’ to quickly end lockdown, as certain avowed sceptics on LDS have been irrationally advocating of late, as this is to simply sanction shredding the Nuremberg Code – and all that this would imply.
Jabbing 9 million school kids with an experimental vaxx will result in between 200 and 900 deaths (1 in 44,000 are dying from the vaxx multipled by 90% MHRA under reporting, go figure), this in addition to tens of thousands of inevitable serious ADRs, including strokes and paralysis. Just wait until those small coffins are seen bedecked in flowers…
And don’t forget those additional long term vaxx impacts that are still entirely unknown, and could well prove to be inter-generational.
How can anyone look the other way on the spurious grounds these experimental treatments are a price worth paying to end lockdown, and somehow all will go back to normal? Life can never ever go back to normal if these policies are implemented, yet the MSM is this week full of articles demonizing anti-vaxxers, one of the worst examples being in the Independent:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/antivaxxers-vaccine-coronavirus-nhs-b1849437.html
The fact this government is even contemplating such knowing mass slaughter of children (when less than 10 might sadly die of C19) while we are being simultaneously led by MSM bullying will leave a permanent stain on our collective conscience that can never be expunged. Indeed, collectively, we will not deserve any freedom if we fail to oppose Big Government’s & Big Pharma’s vaxx plans, nor will we ever get it.
That indepedent article is appalling! The author says ‘no jab no job, etc’ but goes on to accept that the vaccine is voluntary – makes no sense!
Voluntary means having the jab is just as valid as not having it, something the author clearly misses.
Fascism never does make sense, in whatever guise it rears its head.
It not making sense is a feature to keep you constantly in fear just like wokism is constantly changing victim status in order to justify the bullying.
As you correctly point out, not making sense is simply part and parcel of the all important process & options involved in totalitarian advancement. The problem for us now being, there is no credible let alone viable political opposition – nor has been.
The embarrassing spineless caving of friends, family and neighbours as 90% plus of the population capitulates is something I suspect even the new Barony failed to anticipate. Perhaps if C19 had its real or imaginary origins in Brussels rather than Wuhan it might have been a different story?
We’re at
https://fee.org/articles/the-essence-of-the-road-to-serfdom-in-cartoons/
#9 “Let’s get a man who can make Lockdown work!”
On the road to COVID serfdom.
Never visit the Independent site. Only encourages them. I was a founder Inde journalist way back, it was pretty useless then, but now is a blatant denial of its title.
They don’t give a shit, they just want that crap into the those kids arms, money is riding on this.
Money – and teaching the young to do what the government tells them to do!
And full control.
Regarding the administration of the “vaccine” to the young, yesterday (Mar 18th) all members of the European Parliament were served with a “Notice of Liability for Harm or Death to Children (ages 12-15).” That may concentrate their minds on whether they vote through such nonsense.
I work for a large engineering company providing components for the transportation industry. I have been trying to imagine the reaction I would get if I tried to suggest that we go to market in massive volume with a product that hasn’t been fully validated and has the real potential to be lethal to some customers. It just wouldn’t happen – our processes wouldn’t allow it even if I tried. I don’t think we would do it even if it were possible for us to dodge liability in the way the pharmaceutical companies have arranged with the government (and that should set alarm bells ringing).
Of course the argument is that this is an emergency. Fair enough, but it is not an emergency for people under the age of 65 and certainly not for children.
This is one reason why I won’t get vaccinated yet. If I can’t even justify it when trying to rationalise it in the context of my own job then why would I do it? Either standard working practices in the development of new products (which I know intimately) is nonsense or I am being bullied by the mass media and government for some reason or other. No, I will wait until I am older and the validation is complete. I have forbidden my children to get vaccinated.
This is the ninth consecutive week that deaths have been lower than the five-year average in England. ONS. When are Johnson and Hancock going to be stopped
Probably only when they do their bit in boosting those excess death statistics!
They’re not only going for zero covid, they’re going for zero deaths
Vaccinating ANYONE with this experimental, dangerous shite when they have perfectly good drug treatments available is nothing short of a war crime. These miscreants which crawled out of Satan’s sphincter about 14 months ago literally deserve to have blunt shovels rammed down their throats. And I say that as someone who is opposed to all forms of violence. Arrest and lock these c***s up yesterday.
Oh look, The Lancet published sham trials data where they literally murdered sick patients with overdoses of Hydroxychloroquine just so they could deem the drug to be unsafe, ensuring that pesky “approved” drugs don’t get in the way of their criminal Frankenstein 1984 vaccines. Either that or they lied and pretended to murder a bunch of patients with overdoses of HCQ, to achieve the same objective. Arrest these lowlifes NOW!
The Lancet Retracts Hydroxychloroquine Study
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study
https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/how-to-overcome-the-pressure-to-get-a-covid-vaccine
Let’s hope that their “Grave” does not prove to be the mot juste!
This is what Drakeford had to say about vaccinating children:
“If there is a vaccine that gets that licence for use here in Wales, then I think we are very likely to want to take advantage of that.
“It may be that you know later this year, even, we will be able to have a programme in our secondary schools offering those young people a vaccination which would make schools even safer than they are now.”
He said it might enable them to lift some of the restrictions like having to wear masks in classrooms all the time.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/twelve-year-olds-could-have-coronavirus-jab-in-wales-later-this-year/ar-BB1gTra3
So, the carrot for children is that if they’re vaccinated, they MIGHT not need to wear a mask ALL THE TIME in school (remember folks, it’s still mandatory in the People’s Republic of Wales.). This man (if I can call him that) hates our children and will gladly see them harmed. God I hate him.
OK, time for the Big Guns. Things are bad, and child sacrifice is being advertised as good, when the prophets speak words of cheer.
“Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men that rule these people which is in Jerusalem, because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell we are at agreement, when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come to us; for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves.
Therefore thus saith the Lord our God…
I will make judgement the line, and righteousness the plummet, and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then shall you be trodden down by it.”
Amen.
Thank you! Children who have a serious health ailment that might make them susceptible to Covid, their parents should be allowed to have them be part of a trial. I’d allow that. But this a vaccine (which I have chosen to have two doses of) that has 1 years worth of data. One. It is acceptable for the high risk (and I am stretching this to 35 and over), but beyond that this is not appropriate. And even more importantly, not necessary for herd immunity. There are millions globally who are high risk who will enter virus season without vaccines because Matt the Jabber wants to prick children and young adults who face more risk getting to the vaccination than from Covid.
This must be stopped. And we must watch for any potential longterm issues. I have a lot of hope that the mRNA tech might help with serious diseases. But let’s not pretend there is no future risk. And children don’t need they sort of risk when they are perfectly capable to fight the virus in their own.
Respectfully, I think you have over stretched yourself at 35! High risk does not pertain to this age group surely?
Indeed – it’s way down the risk scale.
Hancock’s personal links to big pharma have long been well known. The whole COVID lockdown is a govt power grab and a vax money-maker
I thought I read somewhere in the distant past that Hancockup said something on the lines of ‘this is an adult vaccination and not for children’.
Then they showed him some money and he changed his mind
Ensuring infertility so aiding their population control Agenda. Absolutely no scruples and intent on harm.
I hope everyone is aware why this is being pushed in more than one country? It’s because the impairment of the immune system through vaccination cannot be limited to adults. If Big Pharma would only have those adults as permanent customers for future vaccines that would depress their future profits. There is no guarantee that once young children grow up, there will be enough of a scare around to convince them to take the vaccine. So better make them captive future vaccine customers now that their parents are still scared witless.