There follows an extract of an interview published by French news website Entreprendre with Professor Didier Raoult, the Director of the Méditerranée Infection Foundation – translated from French to English by Google. Professor Raoult argues that there should be more clarity about the benefits and risks associated with taking Covid vaccines.
For the moment, the vaccine is not compulsory. Medical practitioners must advise their patients whether or not to take the vaccine.
The most important point is, of course, to ask: what is the balance between the risks and the benefits?
When people tell you there is no risk, that is not true. We are starting to understand some of the risks of taking the AstraZeneca vaccine. There are really dangerous risks of allergy due to the compound we use, polyethylene glycol, with people who have anaphylactic shock which may be fatal and people who have thromboses. So the numbers suffering in this way need to be solidified so we know how many people are in potentially fatal accidents. Is it 1 in 100,000 or 1 in 10,000? These are things we need to know so we can say “this is the risk you are taking with the vaccine”.
What is the risk you take when you are not vaccinated? Well, it’s a mix between the proportion of people who are infected and the proportion of people who are infected with a severe form. So, to avoid severe forms, this vaccine is probably of interest. We must give people the choice to think. For those over the age of 75 or 80, the number of sick people who are at risk of dying is significant. Mortality among those over 85 is over 20% so the benefit to be hoped for in a period when the virus is circulating for people over 80 is very good.
And if, in these great times of terror we live in, people are reassured to be vaccinated, they must be vaccinated. But there are more downsides than they say. There is work that just came out in Nature that shows 75% of participants in a Pfizer vaccine trial reported side effects. We have never seen this with another vaccine: it is two to three times more than the flu shot. There are also some lethal effects. Is the risk worth taking? Certainly when you are part of a population at risk, but when you are part of the population without risk, you can ask yourself the question. It is everyone’s choice.
Professor Didier was asked: at the community level, is it worth getting vaccinated to avoid infecting others?
Current data does not allow us to say that we will control the circulation of the virus in England with the vaccine. There is a decrease in the severity of infections when one is vaccinated. As for a decrease in the circulation of the virus, there is, as yet, no work that convinces me. The target of this vaccine is so narrow that it will be very easy to see new variants appear which will resist the antibodies generated by this vaccine. So again, the vaccine is not the magic wand hoped for to keep this virus and its variants from circulating.
I think we have to come back to the idea of what a disease is… We need to maintain credibility with the population if we want to be able to implement effective public health measures.
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Wait until the zombies start seeing side effects on their children.
Supposing zombies care.
Do zombie sheep care about their little lambs? Or will the MSM report them as urging other parents to get their children vaccinated and not be put off by this “one tragic case”?
In classical times, sacrifices were common, sometimes children, to determine the gods displeasure, like a volcano or bad famine.
I’ve always planned to formally study philosophy, my dissertation will be focused on the comparison with child sacrifice in the classical period and the The Great Deception of 2020.
Unless my bowel resection for cancer doesn’t finish me off first
Excellent topic. Do you imagine it would ever be approved?!
All the best with your surgery.
My hope it that parents of under 18s will be so put off by the side effects many of them and their peers will experience when they receive the experimental intervention, they will decide against subjecting their children to the same. As the article says, most people don’t have a bad reaction to the flu jab so may not think twice about it being given to their children. The covid injections are a whole different kettle of fish. Most adults I’ve spoken to who have been “vaccinated” have had some pretty awful side effects that have gone on for days or weeks. God only knows what’s going on inside their bodies. I shudder to think.
For healthy 10-to-19-year-olds the chance of dying from Covid-19 is put at 1 in 2.5million, whereas the current vaxx death figure seems to at best suggesting 1 in 50,000, with the Scottish FOI figure (and yellow card under reporting) suggesting this figure could be nearer 1 in 10,000. If this is correct some 9m million UK schoolchildren being jabbed would mean potential vaxx deaths of (at best) 180 rising to 900.
By contrast only 4 schoolchildren could be expected to die from C19.
This is not to mention other known short term and unknown long term side effects that Big Pharma will not indemnify. Jabeat emptor.
Thank you for this computation
Mike
Hi Mike. FYI the principle info links used were:
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccine-risks-versus-rewards-what-your-gp-wont-tell-you/
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/yellow-card-please-help-to-reverse-the-decline-in-reporting-of-suspected-adverse-drug-reactions
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/03/30/f-o-i-request-shows-2207-died-within-28-days-of-having-the-covid-vaccine-in-scotland-during-february/
NOTE: The Daily Expose article is incorrect and misleading, and I have corrected the exaggerated FOI interpretation given in the comments section of another LDS article. It should read:
A freedom of information request made to Public Health Scotland during the month of February.has revealed that 2,207 people died within twenty-eight days of having either the Pfizer / BioNTech mRNA vaccine or the Oxford / AstraZeneca viral vector vaccine from the time the vaccines were rolled out up to 26th February 2021.
The standard post hoc ergo propter hoc caveat still applies to these revised figures, as was highlighted by another LDS commenter.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/05/06/tucker-carlson-asks-how-many-americans-have-died-after-taking-the-vaccine/
I have replied with multiple links to sources used. This reply is still ‘awaiting approval‘ by LDS.
And, with the push to vaccinate pregnant women, what about development of the foetus. Over the next year or so, we could easily see a new thalidomide squared! I really don’t understand how any politician or medic could willingly accept such a potentially massive hostage to fortune!
NIce to see an article applying a modest degree of scepticism towards coercive mass vaccination for Covid ATL. I think though that the easy assumption in this comment from the Professor needs some challenge:
“Mortality among those over 85 is over 20% so the benefit to be hoped for in a period when the virus is circulating for people over 80 is very good.”
There are a couple of issues here.
Firstly, whenever mass vaccination campagins get going the death rate among the very elderly climbs. This is hardly surprising since the Covid vaccine is very demanding in terms of energetics and challenging to the immune system. Not surprisingly, a lot of very elderly people just get sick and die after the vaccine. They might not die from Covid, but so what ?
Secondly, assuming vaccination saves these people aged over 85 from a Covid death that would otherwise have occurred…what sort of physical condition are they in? They will I am sure be among the most sick and frail among over 85s. So having been “saved” from a respiratory disease death, what will happen to them. Are they going to get better, leap out of their chairs and go jogging? No. They are going to get even older and sicker. They may develop cancer or Parkinsons or Alzheimer’s or septicaemia. Their younger selves may well have thought “I wouldn’t want to just hang on in those circumstances. A death from pneumonia would be a blessed release.”
I hope it’s clear that you were not suggesting that frail, 85+ year olds, should not be offered a potentially (if you believe the advertising) life-extending treatment. The point, rather, is that we should not assume that the correct decision, of the elderly person, is to accept the treatment, even when (hypothetically) its risks can be ignored.
But they do that all the time already? People are denied ventilators based on age. Plenty of old people were not treated for other things during the shamdemic. Young People are denied treatments that could extend their lives on the basis of cost. And the NHS waitlists are so long that it’s clear that tens of millions of people are being denied treatment? How many of those will die so that we “saved” some frail elderly people?
I think they were warning that the frail elderly might just die from almost any vaccination.
The Norwegian health authorities I recall recommended against covid19 vaccination in this vulnerable cohort after >10 died swiftly after vaccination early in rollout.
It’s complicated, as all know, I hope.
Mike
This whole debacle has been an attempt to create a Republic of Virtue. The banishment of evil is the devil in a mask.
I write from France where Prof Raoult has the status of a rock star. His yootoob videos routinely hit 100s of 1000s if not millions of views. Not aware any of them taken down, yet. Maybe because yootoob censors don’t speak French.
He has been asked to run for president next year, but says he has no interest to go beyond his chosen profession.
I sincerely hope he changes his mind!
I am grateful to him for having the courage to speak out. I am certain mass coercive vaccination is totally wrong.
That may be so but he still gets the usual flack. Try Googling him, ‘cloroquine witch doctor…barking mad’, ‘Europe turns away from Doctor who touts drugs for cures against covid without evidence.’ Etc Etc. If he were being interviewed on the beeb for this article he’d be labelled an anti-vaxxer!
I know that he, along with many of the Doctors and Scientists we admire, will be proved right in the long run and I appreciate that he’s one of the few who has put his head above the parapet.
Yes in the ‘anglosphere’ that is correct, he is labelled along with GBD people etc.
However in France he is a leading figure. His battles with Veran are legendary. Legal actions have bounced off him. And crucially in France he is far from alone. There are many voices saying the same things. Because of the structure of the society partly, there are many not particularly well paid , very experienced, very well regarded ( nobel recipients amongst them) who regularly blog the same general messages. They have little to lose, so its not easy to pressure them to stop. Not to quite the extent of Raoult , they are well followed, their message is well received.
France also has Francenoir, an online publication that continually runs analysis and stories that in most other countries would be supressed. For instance it has just run a French and English video of Bhakdi’s warnings about the vaccines.
Macron has just announced that from Monday any stocks of any vaccines can be taken up by anyone over the age of 10. On one hand, this advocation of the young taking these vaccines is terrible, but on the other hand the collapse of any managed attempt to vaccine the population is positive news. Its ages since I have seen a poll result about likely numbers of vaccinated in France, my guess is that is because its under 50%.
I am in my late 60s, I have not once been approached to have a vaccine. Its is still the case the individual has to make that move, long may it continue.
It’s a fairly moderate view in terms of the spectrum of questioning the vaccine. My take is that he probably overestimates effectiveness and underestimates some risks that have emerged.
“And if, in these great times of terror we live in, people are reassured to be vaccinated, they must be vaccinated.”
… and this is a very melodramatic utterance which is more theatre than analysis.
What if they are reassured to have unnecessary surgery done by some third rate over-worked doctor?
Do they get that too!?
Since when do people get placebos no matter the efficacy or dangers?
Indeed – see toxic breast implants.
In the context (the quotation being immediately followed by “But there are more downsides than they say”) I do not believe he was stating his opinion, but, more likely, commenting upon a prevailing (professed) belief of the medical / political class. I’d be interested in how a French person interprets his tone of voice (plus his actual turn of phrase, as opposed to a Google translation thereof).
I did wonder that – so read it a few times before making my comment, but could see no irony.
“And in these great times of terror we live in”.
That phrase jarred, if it had been at the beginning of the article I would have stopped reading.
Tokenism presumably.
Yes : I would have accepted something like ‘manufactured terror’.
Mais alors…. he is French!
Professor Didier Raoult: “There are 70% side effects with the Pfizer vaccine, we had never seen that with a vaccine! ”
https://www.entreprendre.fr/professeur-didier-raoult-il-existe-70-deffets-secondaires-avec-le-vaccin-pfizer-on-navait-jamais-vu-ca-avec-un-vaccin/
‘I think we have to come back to the idea of what a disease is… ‘
Hello!
When a 22 medical student with severe nut allergies, son of a GP, arranged to have a vaccination with resuscitation facilities to treat any anaphylactic response I asked why. The answer was so that he could go on holiday and attend events “without hassle”.
What on earth have we become?
A set of deranged scientific advisors seems to have eroded common sense. I have 50 years experience in medicine and never thought I would observe my profession take a communal three monkeys approach to the irrational approach to one disease and ignore all others. Hear no evil (Vaccines have no side effects-and everyone needs one including children and don’t listen to Julia Hartley Brewer),see no evil (don’t read the valid science data and read Lockdown Skeptics) and don’t speak no evil (Don’t attempt to venture an opinion on radio or TV and certainly not on the BBC)
Hartlepool changed hands today – in the Napoleonic Wars of the early 19th century, a shipwrecked monkey was hanged by the people of Hartlepool, believing him to be a French spy! They had more evidence for that than much of the nonsense which has surrounded Covid 19!
Yes – Starmer has failed massively, and Labour got what it deserved.
But the gift to the Tories is a marker of the sheer dumb ignorance of the British population (and this from someone who tries to avoid just simply calling people ‘stupid’).
It’s a real wakeup call for anyone who thought re. 1930s Germany that ‘It couldn’t happen here’)
Headaches are a major effect (not-side effect) of the vaccine. I now know 2 people who haven’t had migraines in years but now they’ve flared up again
NNT vs NNH (plus ARR vs RRR in thread)
Data from NEJM Israeli study and Pfizer trial published by UK Gov MHRA.
(References and data summary pic in tweet link below, see thread for ARR vs RRR):
https://mobile.twitter.com/JavRoJav/status/1372749574629060608
Yes – this is the vital data, as opposed to the bullshit.
You can do your own calculations from the base data.
Many thanks to Michael for presenting the other side of the argument and giving voice to eminent scientists that challenge risk/reward rationale of the government apparatchiks.
There is almost no mention of virus-acquired immunity now. T-cell immunity was spoken of back in the early days of covid, but the first I’ve heard of it for months was just now in the Tucker Carlson video on Fox News. But it remains a soliid fact – you CANNOT get covid twice! If you’ve had it you do not need a vaccine! The silence on this can only mean that ‘they’ don’t want you to know, so determined are they in their quest for total vaccination of the entire human population. When the government banned antibody tests (two days after I’d had a blood test which showed positive for a full antibody count after covid), the General Pharmaceutical Council told us that Boris was afraid that if we knew we’d had it we’d stop wearing face masks. What a statement of ill-considered bunkum!
A few days ago I read somewhere (I forget where) a scientific opinion that if you’ve already had the virus but get vaccinated regardless, the vaccine will begin destroying your T-cells and therefore your acquired immunity. But people are still getting the jab whether they’ve had covid or not, probably having been influenced by the Blonde Bombshell’s unnecessary vaccination.
Mass-antibody tests would give us a clearer picture of the progress of this virus, of who needs a vaccine and who doesn’t (or indeed if anybody does). But that’s not where the vast fortunes lie, and does not help Big Pharma in its facist pursuit of mass-medication and global dominance.
“ if you’ve already had the virus but get vaccinated regardless, the vaccine will begin destroying your T-cells and therefore your acquired immunity”
My understanding it that it will do much more than simply that. Getting the jab after you have already had the virus can cause very unpleasant symptoms in those who do. I know someone who had covid fairly recently – quite badly – not severe enough to be hospitalised, but still severe and then a few weeks later while still recovering got the jab. That person isn’t very well and I wonder will he ever get back to his former functioning. But then the BBC doesn’t tell you that.
Pfizer requesting approval from the FDA for approval of their MRNA COVID vaccine despite drug trial on this vaccine has two years to go.
The experimental biological currently has EUA status, it has NOT been approved. Pfizer would like to skip the trials because they believe the benefit of their mRNA drug is so successful, control candidates should have the vaccine now. This means there would be absolutely NO long term collection of safety and efficacy data.
So despite the CDC’s VAERS showing a high incidence of adverse events, including serious complications and deaths, Pfizer believes their “vaccine” is safe, and the trials should be abandoned, and Pfizer given “approval” for their mRNA experimental biological. They are now appealing to Joe Biden for the go ahead.
Outrageous. You can see how, whatever the hell this is that is going on, has no intention of stopping until every living soul has been poisoned with an experimental biological with NO long term safety or efficacy. Wake up people