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Captain Sir Tom Moore Dies

Captain Sir Tom Moore, the 100 year-old World War II veteran who gained fame last year when he raised almost £33m for NHS charities by walking laps of his garden, died yesterday of pneumonia following a positive Covid test.

Sir Tom appears to have contracted Covid in hospital, after being admitted for non-Covid pneumonia. Yahoo! News has the details.

Captain Sir Tom Moore tested negative for coronavirus after returning from his trip to Barbados, his family have said.

The Second World War veteran died on Tuesday after a short battle with Covid and pneumonia.

Captain Tom and his family flew to Barbados on December 11th shortly before his hometown of Bedford was placed in Tier 3 – a holiday which was criticised by some online commenters.

He remained in Barbados until January 6th when he flew back to the UK and his family revealed on Tuesday that he only tested positive for Covid two weeks after he returned from the Caribbean.

A statement released by his family revealed that he had been tested regularly for COVID-19 between December 9th and January 12th and each test returned negative.

“He was admitted to hospital on January 12th,” the statement read, “Whilst in hospital he received a pneumonia diagnosis. In addition, as with other patients, he was tested regularly for COVID-19.

“On January 22nd, Tom was discharged from hospital back to the family home where he felt most comfortable. Unfortunately he was left still fighting pneumonia and tested positive for COVID-19 that day.

“He remained at home, cared for by family and medical professionals, until he needed additional help with his breathing. He was taken by ambulance to Bedford Hospital on Sunday January 31st.

“Tom was able to have visitors to say goodbye to him at the end of his life. Yesterday evening his daughter Hannah and grandchildren Benjie and Georgia were able to be by his side and his daughter Lucy was able to speak to him on FaceTime.”

A hero of our nation’s darkest hour in the 1940s who became an inspiration to many during a tough year. May he rest in peace.

Stop Press: Some confusion has arisen as to whether Sir Tom had received the first dose of the vaccine. Reports yesterday stated he had not, but videos were circulating on social media of earlier reports saying he had. If any Lockdown Sceptics readers are aware of any reports from the time saying he had been vaccinated please email us here so this mystery can be solved.

Vaccine Update

Safety and efficacy personally guaranteed by President Putin

The Russian vaccine Sputnik V, which no one is quite sure they can trust, has been found to have “91.6% efficacy against COVID-19” and to be “well tolerated in a large cohort”, according to trial results published yesterday in the Lancet. The BBC has more.

Russia’s Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine gives around 92% protection against Covid-19, late stage trial results published in the Lancet reveal.

It has also been deemed to be safe – and offer complete protection against hospitalisation and death.

The vaccine was initially met with some controversy after being rolled out before the final trial data had been released. But scientists said its benefit has now been demonstrated.

It joins the ranks of proven vaccines alongside Pfizer, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen.

The Sputnik vaccine works in a similar way to the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab developed in the UK, and the Janssen vaccine developed in Belgium. It uses a cold-type virus, engineered to be harmless, as a carrier to deliver a small fragment of the coronavirus to the body. Safely exposing the body to part of the virus’s genetic code in this way allows it to recognise the threat and learn to fight it off, without risking becoming ill. After being vaccinated, the body starts to produce antibodies specially tailored to the coronavirus. This means the immune system is primed to fight coronavirus when it encounters it for real.

It can be stored at temperatures of between 2 and 8C degrees (a standard fridge is roughly 3-5C degrees) making it easier to transport and store. But unlike other similar vaccines, the Sputnik jab uses two slightly different versions of the vaccine for the first and second dose – given 21 days apart. They both target the coronavirus’s distinctive “spike”, but use different vectors – the neutralised virus that carries the spike to the body. The idea is that using two different formulas boosts the immune system even more than using the same version twice – and may give longer-lasting protection.

Dr Julian Tang, a clinical virologist at the University of Leicester, suggested the rollout of the vaccine in Russia before the trial was complete had now been “justified” by the subsequent results. This seems to misunderstand how safety trials work, in that getting lucky doesn’t mean you were right to take the risk. Tang said:

Despite the earlier misgivings about the way this Russian Sputnik V vaccine was rolled out more widely – ahead of sufficient Phase 3 trial data – this approach has been justified to some extent now. Such pandemic-related vaccine rollout compromises have, to be fair, been adopted in the UK vaccination programme also – with the extended intervals between the first and second doses. So we should be more careful about being overly critical about other countries’ vaccine designs.

In this likening of Britain’s approach to Covid vaccines to Russia’s, Tang seems inadvertently to agree with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, who has accused Britain and other quick-off-the-mark countries of compromising on safety and efficacy:

Some countries started to vaccinate a little before Europe, it is true. But they resorted to emergency, 24-hour marketing authorisation procedures. The Commission and the member states agreed not to compromise on the safety and efficacy requirements linked to the authorisation of a vaccine. So, yes, Europe left it later, but it was the right decision. I remind you that a vaccine is the injection of an active biological substance into a healthy body. We are talking about mass vaccination here. It is a gigantic responsibility.

In other developments, there is fresh news on the Oxford vaccine, which appears to be more effective than early results suggested, particularly when doses are given 12 weeks apart. Ross Clark in the Spectator has the update on the ongoing trials.

The study found that after two doses, efficacy increased in line with the gap between those doses. When there were fewer than six weeks between doses efficacy was just 54.9%. But when the two doses were given at or more than 12 weeks apart, efficacy rose to 82.4%. The 54.9% figure does raise the question: does a second dose actually damage the working of the vaccine if given too early? Or could some other factor be at play? Further research will be needed to answer that question. 

No participants in the trial who were given the vaccine were hospitalised, while 15 in the control group suffered hospitalisation. Overall the results are likely to be taken by the Government as justification for its current vaccination regime: giving two doses of the Oxford-AZ vaccine 12 weeks apart. What this study couldn’t tell us, of course, is whether a 12-week gap is equally appropriate for the Pfizer vaccine – for which the manufacturers recommend a three-week gap. Questions will also be raised about mixing the results from trials in the UK and Brazil, given that different variants have been found to be circulating in both countries. On the positive side, if Brazil were ravaged by a vaccine-resistant variant of the virus, it would presumably have shown up in this study.

The study also suggested the vaccine reduces transmission by 67% after the first jab (not really surprising given the rarity of asymptomatic transmission). It means those who have been vaccinated are unlikely to infect those yet to receive the jab, paving the way for the early lifting of restrictions.

A new pre-print study has been published suggesting those who have previously been infected with COVID-19 should only have one dose of the mRNA vaccine, to help it go further. This is because the antibody response from someone previously infected and who has had one vaccine dose turned out to be stronger than the response from someone never infected who has had two doses. Be interesting to see if the Government takes this helpful finding on board.

The Telegraph is reporting that Barchester Healthcare, a leading care home provider, is refusing to hire new staff who decline vaccination, announcing that it “will not hire someone who has refused to have the vaccine on non-medical grounds”. This unwelcome development, which is contrary to the recent Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly resolution on non-discrimination, may be linked to the news this week that about half of the staff at the UK’s largest care home provider, HC-One, which operates 20,000 beds, have not yet received a Covid vaccine. Some independent homes reported last week that up to 80% of their staff had not received vaccination. There are concerns that this is due to cultural objections and other sources of vaccine hesitancy.

Stop Press: Comedian Josh Berry has produced a very funny video about someone choosing to have the Oxford vaccine for snobbish reasons.

Lockdown States Suffer More Covid Deaths on Average

Source: Worldometers

There were 11 states in the US which refused to lock down this autumn and winter. The doomsday models churned out by SAGE, Imperial College and others predicted that any country, region or state that declined to lockdown would face overrun hospitals and massive death tolls compared to those that did lock down, as the virus, no longer controlled by the restrictions, “ripped” through the population.

Perhaps the authors of such models would care to explain this then. The chart above shows the Covid death toll per million people up to February 1st of the no-lockdown American states in red. If the doomsday models are correct, why don’t the bars for those states clearly stand out from the bars of the lockdown states in blue? Furthermore, why are the top five states for Covid deaths lockdown states?

In fact, the lockdown states on average had 5.6% more deaths than the no-lockdown states (the orange bars). If anything this suggests lockdown made things worse. At any rate there’s no sign it helped.

Positive cases are now sharply in decline in the US, and no less sharply in no-lockdown states than in lockdown states. This means there is no reason to think the gap between lockdown and no-lockdown states will be closed this winter.

Isn’t it time the lockdown proponents put their models to the test in the real world? Time to put up or shut up. Either their models can reproduce the outcomes of real states which don’t lock down, or they can’t and need to be fundamentally revised. No more hiding behind counterfactuals of “it would have happened but for lockdown”. The facts are here and waiting to be explained.

Stop Press: Alexander Fiske-Harrison in the Telegraph points out that “the European countries with the strictest lockdowns have come out no better“.

Update: An earlier version of this story stated that no-lockdown states had 8% more Covid deaths than lockdown states. This was due to a miscalculation that has now been corrected.

Predictions of Hospitals in London Being “Overwhelmed” Fail to Materialise

In the first week of January, hospital admissions in London and the South East were surging and some scary predictions were leaked to the press. It’s worth revisiting them now to see how they aged. Here’s the Mail on January 6th.

London’s hospitals will be overwhelmed by COVID-19 in less than two weeks even in a ‘best’ case scenario, an official briefing reportedly warns.

Medical director at NHS London Vin Diwakar provided the worrying analysis to medical directors of the capital’s hospital trusts over a Zoom call this afternoon.

Even if coronavirus patients grew at the lowest likely rate and capacity is increased – including opening the Nightingale – the NHS would still be short 2,000 general, acute and ICU beds by January 19th, the HSJ reports.

Three scenarios are laid out for both G&A and intensive care – ‘best’, ‘average’ and ‘worse’. These account for the impact of 4% daily growth, 5% growth and 6% growth, respectively. 

In fact, as the above graph shows, far from “4% daily growth” being the “best case scenario”, Covid hospital admissions in London actually peaked that day, January 6th, and then fell sharply. The number of patients in hospital stopped growing five days later.

Yet another prediction from the gloomsters and doomsters that failed to materialise.

However, it is fair to recognise that ICUs are emptying only slowly.

The senior doctor who writes regularly for Lockdown Sceptics has written a comment for us.

ICU’s have been massively expanded by several means:

1. Relaxing nursing ratios from the normal 1:1 to varying degrees – up to 1:6 in some places (though this is really not sustainable). The sole ICU nurse has to manage multiple ventilated patients by supervising non-ICU qualified nurses redeployed from other specialties – usually ones with some overlap such as cardiology/respiratory/anaesthesia/theatre nurses. This is incredibly stressful for the ICU nurse – it’s a very technical job requiring a lot of concentration and attention to detail – trying to run three or four patients at the same time is like spinning plates.

2. Physical space expansion. Mostly the expanded beds are in operating theatres or recovery areas, normal wards converted to ICUs, putting adult patients into paediatric ICU beds, etc. It is only capable of expansion by spreading the available staff very thinly which increases the work stress and reduces the quality of care. In addition, the problems of staff absence and sickness are substantial pressures on rotas. The central London hospitals have generally had sound escalatory plans for ICU expansion in light of the spring experience – the problems have been around staff absences.

My colleagues in London say most patients in mechanical ventilation-capable beds (ICU) are being mechanically ventilated – most patients on CPAP or Venturi face mask aren’t in ICUs in the most pressurised hospitals. It explains why the average age of patients in ICU (roughly 60) is lower than the mortality figures (roughly 80) – because 80 year-olds are not considered for mechanical ventilation, so they don’t get admitted to ICU in the first place.

The ICU (or MV capable beds) figures have been pretty stable for the last couple of weeks despite falling admissions – this is an anticipated problem due to extended length of stays in ICU compared to general wards. It will handicap the ability of hospitals to get back to normal because the run-off in ICU will take weeks to resolve. At the same time the NHS managers will be thrashing their staff to start elective work up again, because this is a politically neuralgic point. This will exacerbate the pressure on the specialist staff – it’s already happening. It’s characteristic of NHS managers who will flog people in order to conceal their own culpability in planning failure and neglect in not taking reasonable anticipatory measures.

The other important point is that the stress is cumulative as staff grind on at this week after week – it’s now becoming a serious problem with people getting burnt out. I’m not surprised about this – entirely predictable. There will be many nurses who will quit ICU after this episode and I don’t blame them. To be frank, I don’t know how some of them have kept it up for so long – its harder than being a doctor in this instance I reckon.

I think the real villains of this whole ‘second wave’ piece are the NHS high command and the senior executives of the London hospitals. It was entirely predictable and they failed to prepare. During the autumn they spent their time pressing the Government for more societal restrictions (which were not needed IMHO) rather than getting their ducks in a row for the winter challenge.

It was known in the spring that the rate limiting step was ICU nursing and medical staff. There was an opportunity for upskilling and preparatory training in the summer which did not happen. They didn’t even bother to do the maths on the oxygen requirement, for goodness sake.

These people are experts at swerving responsibility and I expect they will get away with it again and the politicians and mainstream media will let them.

Postcard from Rwanda

A Lockdown Sceptics reader, a Brit who has lived in Rwanda with his young family since 2017, has written to us a postcard to tell us about how the African country is handling the pandemic. He’s not impressed – and it’s the expats that seem to be clamouring for the most restrictions.

I write this at the beginning of the third week of Rwanda’s second lockdown, some eight months after the first ended. The lockdown only encompasses the capital, Kigali, as the epicentre of the rise in cases, and domestic and international tourism is still open for those wishing to see the rest of this beautiful country. We have to get police permission to leave the house even for food shopping, masks have been mandatory outdoors – and in cars – since the WHO changed their advice, and outdoor exercise is only allowed between 5am and 9am; even then we are only supposed to stay in our Umudugu, a small village within a village (ours is tiny).

The biggest cheerleaders for this latest lockdown were, predictably, the privileged expat community, those least likely to be severely affected by the closure of the Rwanda’s economic centre. Rich (especially so in a context where the average salary for Rwandans is around $50 per month), mainly European and North American people have been a constant source of panic, hysteria and judgement since the very first case of COVID-19 arrived in Rwanda in early March 2020. This is expressed in the groupthink posts on the Expats in Rwanda Facebook group. In their comfortable compounds, with their gardens, their nannies, and ‘house boys’ and their home deliveries of food, they deride the locals for going out on the streets (the public space is where most of Rwandan life takes place), or for their wearing masks with noses out or like scarves around their necks. Emboldened by this moral superiority they rat out shopworkers to their bosses for non-compliance and swan around in their SUVs masks on, like true believers.

There is a little opposition to the received wisdom among some of the expats; those who severely doubt the efficacy or even necessity to lockdown a country where 50% of the population are under 19 and over 65s count for just 3% of the population,1 but they are shouted down or stay quiet. As a business owner (albeit non-operational given the inability to meet with my clients face-to-face for most of the past 10 months) whose clients include these expats, I would damage my sales for questioning the orthodoxy. As such the clamour for closure of schools, mask compliance and fear prevails – in that regard Rwanda does not seem to be much different from the rest of the world.

As for the locals, in the beginning there were rumours that only white people caught the virus, or that it was a rich person’s disease, and even now, for the vast, vast majority there are more important things to worry about – such as obtaining food and not starving – than a disease which few Rwandans have been exposed to: even after 10 months of it circulating around the country, many of the cases have come from the expat community.

The postcard has a permanent place on our right-hand menu.

Well worth reading in full.

Gavin Newsom Recall Effort Nears Target

A Lockdown Sceptics reader stateside has sent us details of a campaign to get rid of lockdown zealot Gavin Newsom, the Governor of California. It is getting close, having reached 1.2 million signatures of the 1.5 million required.

California Governor Gavin Newsom is the subject of a recall campaign. The campaign has until March 17th in order to reach the required number of signatures to force an election. His response to Covid, along with the hypocrisy of him eating out before Christmas is one issue people are citing. Information about the campaign can be found here.

Comedian JP has given his take on it here.

If they gain enough momentum to take out Newsom in a state that is as strongly Democratic as California, that might shift momentum on the lockdown debate.

Round-up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Five today: “Don’t Test Me” by Skylar Stecker, “Spent the Day in Bed” by Morrisey, “Solitude” by Black Sabbath, “Torture Never Stops” by Frank Zappa and “Road to Nowhere” by Talking Heads.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email Lockdown Sceptics here.

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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, schoolteacher Ingrid Seyer-Ochi, writing in the San Francisco Chronicle, turns on Senator Bernie Sanders over his “white privilege” of wearing knitted gloves as he attends Biden’s inauguration.

And there, across all of our news and social media feeds, was Bernie: Bernie memes, Bernie sweatshirts, endless love for Bernie. I puzzled and fumed as an individual as I strove to be my best possible teacher. What did I see? What did I think my students should see? A wealthy, incredibly well-educated and privileged white man, showing up for perhaps the most important ritual of the decade, in a puffy jacket and huge mittens.

I mean in no way to overstate the parallels. Sen. Sanders is no white supremacist insurrectionist. But he manifests privilege, white privilege, male privilege and class privilege, in ways that my students could see and feel.

“When you see privilege, you know it,” I’d told them weeks before. Yet, when they saw Sen. Bernie Sanders manifesting privilege, when seemingly no one else did, I struggled to explain that disparity. I am beyond puzzled as to why so many are loving the images of Bernie and his gloves. Sweet, yes, the gloves, knit by an educator. So “Bernie.”

Not so sweet? The blindness I see, of so many (Bernie included), to the privileges Bernie represents. I don’t know many poor, or working class, or female, or struggling-to-be-taken-seriously folk who would show up at the inauguration of our 46th president dressed like Bernie. Unless those same folk had privilege. Which they don’t.

Stop Press: Watch Helen Pluckrose talking to Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster about Counterweight, the new organisation she’s set up to help the victims of the Woke inquisition.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.

If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.

And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.

Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.

Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.

Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.

Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.

Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland  for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.”  Further information available here.

There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who have also submitted a retraction request.

And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

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bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago

If you die after taking a vaccine it’s just a coincidence. That takes the cake.

bebophaircut
bebophaircut
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

Monday’s Richie Allen with Dr Vernon Coleman must listen at around 1 hour 23 minutes. Says that the vaccine is a trial that will continue to 2023. Time to put a halt to all this nonsense as soon as possible.

rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago
John
John
5 years ago

Can someone please explain how the 6 nations rugby can be played? Undoubtedly there will be the masks, elbow banging and distancing. In soccer they’re told not to hug each other after scoring a goal, so how are scrums, line outs, rucks and tackling in the rugby matches going to work?

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  John

pretty strange…Rugby the worst game ever..Yer its fine getting your ears ripped off, your nose broken, your shoulders dislocated, cracked ribs, broken necks, smashed teeth, lacerations, broken fingers, and smashed bollocks but wait…..
What about if we catch a cold!!!!
Waaaaaaa
Mental.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  John

On the professional sport issue. The Vuelta race organisers conducted approximately fifteen hundred tests. Every single test was negative. I wonder how the organisers managed to get rid of the false positive problem?

DBSR
DBSR
5 years ago

As we navigate the fog of propaganda, can we not remind ourselves that once the vulnerable are vaccinated and also shielded as much as is deemed appropriate, transmission within the non-vulnerable community is a good thing, essential to the creation of robust, healthy, natural and sustainable herd immunity. It would be terrific is policy could reflect such thinking and avoid ‘zero Covid’ Canutism.

J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  DBSR

But how can you trust a vaccine that has not gone through the normal period of testing to be sure it is safe – for something that is regularly described as a type of virus that can not be vaccinated against? My hands are high, I’m not an educated voice on this, but I know that I do not trust these bastards as far as I would very much enjoy trying to throw them.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  DBSR

Yes but their stated intent is to vaccinate every adult.
Then they’ll come for the kids.

J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I think the temptation is to believe that everything will be alright once ‘the vulnerable’ have been vaccinated, and that normality will resume. There is no evidence this will happen. On the contrary, it emboldens them to push harder, to shut us down harder when they see us continuously complying with their demands.

They might give us back some semblance of freedom in the summer, but only because it’s harder for them to perpetuate the threat of this thing during the least dangerous time of year to be ill and hospitals will naturally be empty. Perhaps that’s where the ‘mutations’ will come in to play and stifle our hopes?

JaneHarry
JaneHarry
5 years ago
Reply to  DBSR

yes, and if this were really about a virus, that’s exactly what we would be doing

ekd
ekd
5 years ago

As has been commented on before, something very strange happening with Irish excess mortality figures…. namely negative excess. A very peculiar situation for a country whose ex-Prime Minister has been talking about all foreign travel being restricted – for another FULL YEAR. What the hell is going on?

ekd
ekd
5 years ago
Reply to  ekd

With image!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  ekd

What the hell is going on?

That my friend is the holy grail of answers.

jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  ekd

It’s nothing to do with a virus and nothing to do with the NHS – it’s a smash and grab job on our lives and our culture while we’re under house arrest.

gina
gina
5 years ago

Youtube tonight… wept watching men dance a dabke together; shoulders pressed hard against each other, hands clasped, leaping and laughing in the dirt. Remember dancing in a line like that – well minus the leaps – but that closeness, that pleasure of moving in time with others…
I want that back. The singing and dancing…

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

Personally i wouldn’t miss the man rubbing bit.

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

That’s a very British response. Have you tried it?
Its a line dance.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

No i’m adverse to men rubbing together, does that make me homophobic in the same way your comment was racist?

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Please accept my deepest apologies.

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

I took your comment in good humour – intended as a harmless light hearted jest. I intended mine in the same tone.
I made no mention of any rubbing of anything – and I certainly did not accuse you of being homophobic.
I think its a bit thin as an argument that to say a response is ‘very British’ is racist. ‘Keep calm and carry on’ and the like are regarded as very British responses, yet are thought of with affection and some pride by many.
But help yourself to a dose of umbridge if you need one and see offence where none was intended. Perhaps you should report my sin to the moderator?
This is what I was trying, obviously inadequately to describe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0sqpVPAQhI

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

Noo i wasn’t offended, please never apologise for saying what you think, self censorship is the worst form of censorship! Two men rubbing together is as naturally repellent to me as a homosexual relationship is natural to some one who is gay. We are allowed to have different values & emotions.It would be a dull world if we were all the same & thought the same thing!

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I took your comment in good humour – intended as a harmless light hearted jest. I intended mine in the same tone.
I made no mention of any rubbing of anything – and I certainly did not accuse you of being homophobic.
I think its a bit thin as an argument that to say a response is ‘very British’ is racist. ‘Keep calm and carry on’ and the like are regarded as very British responses, yet are thought of with affection and some pride by many.
But help yourself to a dose of umbridge if you need one and see offence where none was intended. Perhaps you should report my sin to the moderator?
This is what I was trying, obviously inadequately to describe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0sqpVPAQhI

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

It was intended as satire 😉 i appreciate dry humour doesn’t always come across well via the internet.

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Accusing someone of making racist comments is a bit close to the bone for my taste. But thanks for the clarification.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

You’re right it is, my dig was at the woke thinking not you, there is nothing wrong with conservative cultural values as there is nothing wrong with being gay, if you’re gay.

I’m afraid i’m neither conservative or gay which may make me a freak in today’s political climate.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

Perhaps you should report my sin to the moderator?

Don’t be silly, i’m a big boy, to long in the tooth to get outraged on a blog comments section. No offence taken, I realise this site attracts all political sensibilities. I’m just to vulgar to care 😉

J4mes
J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

A very British response? Oh dear… we can’t have that anymore in the globalist Gulags!

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Oh dear indeed!

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

I miss Morris Dancing.

gina
gina
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I bet. Seen some fantastic sides when I used to sing round the folk festivals. Dancing like singing, drumming – the essence of being human.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  gina

Yerp..sigh…

Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Suggestion.

Plenty of moaning about moaning today. Anyone who is critical of the content above or below might like to step up and improve things. Get your research in, write it up, contribute. You’ll recieve plenty of respect for doing so. No pay, as far as I know, but this isn’t about a living.

Just trying to be constructive. If you can’t write then team up into a squad. Do something positive to better the situation. Why are people relying on the three(?) main writers above the line to set the standard and tone? If you don’t like it fix it.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Here’s tomorrows headline.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Youre a little bit boring for me anti. Excuse me while I leave you be.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

It was a reply to you moaning about moaning, moaners. Oh the irony, i’m not so enamored with you either! You where asking for contributions but what was so exciting about yours?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Well said.
I think that’s what I was trying to say.
Thanks!!

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago

Update on the Dorsten retraction request at eurosurveillance
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1356561813832429568

Nothing yet although its getting heated

JohnDanny
JohnDanny
5 years ago

I’m no longer a fighting man. I mean, I’ll fight if I need to, but fighting is no longer my first instinct. I’m a regenerated Christian, and I’d rather have a debate or talk about it.

Having said all that, I’d love to stick one on Piers Morgan’s chin.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnDanny

There’s a big queue, mate. 😉

JohnDanny
JohnDanny
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Granted, but I’m at the front of that queue, bruv. Didn’t you know? 🙂

godowneasy
godowneasy
5 years ago

Knock knock who’s there?
Mutant fucked you over
Mutant fucked you over who?
Yes, W.H.O.’s mutant fucked you over

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
5 years ago

In Minority Report there are three Precogs who predict crimes before they happen.

One of them, Agatha, often sees a different vision to the other two, the so-called “minority report”. This alternate vision is “kept a secret as it would damage the system’s credibility”.

I can’t imagine that there is always 100% agreement within SAGE. What is presented to us as The Science is merely a concensus view with the “minority report” kept secret lest it “damage they system’s credibility”.

I think we should be able to see the “minority report” and be told exactly how much in agreement they are over issues that affect all of our lives.

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I think they ought to provide actual empirical research to support all the supposed science measures.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Just beat me to it, Steve. We need to start seeing some evidence to back up their claims, not just more “our models predict”.

Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Studies into masks ought to be being produced by the bucket load after all this time.

Push whitty out with a chart held by sidekick vallance – “here we can see how masks have being effective in stopping transmission in retail and public transport”…

Why not? Is that not the way to lead by providing clear evidence as soon as it is available.

It is clear they must conceal.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

You only get the research & answers you pay for! I lost faith in scientists long ago

Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Clearly i take whitty to be a liar… I mean my point is if there was hinesty and a desire to do things well/right something like what I describe would happen with each aspect of this.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

My point was only paid scientists get published 😉

Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Sorry I dont understand the conversation. I feel i need to do unknown leaps to follow.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The Science is corrupt, it no longer = objective truth

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I can’t imagine that there is always 100% agreement within SAGE.

There isn’t. That’s why they queue up to get on the TV to give their individual opinions. Also explains how some members of SAGE are members of Independent SAGE.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Independent SAGE are like a one policy political party except nobody voted for them and nobody actually knows why the exist.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Independent SAGE are the grumpy ones who can’t get on stage. Same agenda.

jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Sage are doing the governments bidding.Its a political coup and the science is following the politics not the other way around.
You can agonise about graphs,models and mutant strains all you want it will have no effect.

Derek Toyne
Derek Toyne
5 years ago

Today at work someone called me an anti-vaxxer for not wanting the vaccine. My view is that I support and encourage anyone especially the old and sick to get vaccinated. I believe I am a realist when I say there’s no medicine or vaccine that is 100% safe and effective. But I believe the vaccines must prove themselves i.e. they will really benefit me not assume they will benefit me. For example correct me if I am wrong if only 2% are infected as the government claim then 98% are uninfected and therefore we almost have herd immunity. We should also remember that after a few weeks 98% of the infected will be well and immune to covid. But people might say you could be infected passing on the virus, first last year like many I believe I got covid. I got a cough that lasted two weeks in February. Then a few weeks ago my wife got covid and even though she coughed on me and the kid’s none of us got ill. As I work for the nhs I was able to test myself to see if I was asymptomatic and the result negative. I would really like… Read more »

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

Why play the social shaming game? That being anti-vaxx is a negative, wear it like a badge, if you don’t want their poison. If you feel the need to defend your principle. Ask them what makes them believe its safe.

Being anti anything its shameful, its called critical thinking, don’t engage with their bullying tactics.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Anti Vaxx is their language. If you have travelled internationally the chances are you have been vaccinated. Therefore not ‘anti vaxx’. Don’t let the other side hijack the language. We/you may be against this (experimental) medical procedure. That’s not anti Vaxx.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

I’m anti lots of things, no shame in it! Anti-cruelty, anti-war, anti-lockdown, anti-globalist & anti-socialist comrade! I don’t have to defend my own values.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Opposition. Easiest job in the world. Now to stand up for something. There’s a challenge.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Why not try it then?

jos
jos
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Just say ‘You’re so brave taking part in clinical trials for experimental gene therapy – I’m just too scared.’

Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

The term and tge other terms are mental programmes loaded into tge users vocabulary. That you were called one merely shows a lazy brain at work.

The use of anti vaxxer short cuts a good deal of coversation, thought, thinking and challenging that may result in a (the horror) question forming in their mind.

Same with conspiracy theory covid denier etc. Indeed conspiracy theory was developed as a term to short cut thinking about JFK. Anti vaxx strijes me as odd in origin – where do the two x’s come from? Psycholgically xx is agressive negative and graphically striking.

jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Far right anti vax conspiracy theorist Covid denier are all terms to close down legimate debate by programming a response in the listener.The government,the media and the scientists are fully aware they are lying.They don’t want people who are aware,persuading those that are asleep.Hence the closing down of anywhere where people can meet.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

It’s not a case of ‘anti-vax’. It’s being pro-science, and requiring proper evidence uncontaminated by vested interests.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Not really its a simple case of consent, if you don’t want it don’t be bullied to have it!

Science has a place, if you can trust the scientists, but religous worship of science leads to technocratic tyranny.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

This terrible virus we are supposed to be so scared of is like any other virus that we had had since we were born, these virus have been in the biome for ever and the human race will never get rid of them or be able to stop getting ill from them.

They are everywhere, like oxygen molecules. The only place you won’t find viruses are in space.

If you catch the rona or not depends on a lot of things. SYstems that we know hardly anything about. We can guess but we have no idea really. As usual if you are healthy, have a good diet, aren’t stressed, cold, tired, you know just normal, then you won’t get ill from viruses.

That’s it really. The Biggest Lie Ever to use the common cold virus as a catalyst for global social change. All the rest is bollocks.
That’s all you need to know about it.
IMHO

Portnadler
Portnadler
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Toyne

May I ask if any of you had a flu vaccination? Thank you.

Ricky1
Ricky1
5 years ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/03/rishi-sunak-concerned-scientists-moving-goalposts-covid-lockdown/amp/

Very hopeful about this. Some actual opposition from someone in power against the constant goal post pushing from the scientists. Could amount to something meaningful.

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Ricky1

The establishment is throwing you a 3d-printed bone.

Don’t get your hopes up.

Now we know fir sure who’s lined up to take over from BJ though.

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  Ricky1

I was wondering when Sunak would finally act. Bozo seems like a rabbit caught in the headlights, dazzled by SAGE and Princess Nut Nuts. Things need to change NOW or we are totally fucked. Tory MPs need to get their letters in to Brady and then Sunak needs to take over after the leadership contest (he’s clearly going to win).

danny
danny
5 years ago

Don’t get me wrong, anything to end this is wonderful, but for people to portray Sunak as the great hope, is insane.
As chancellor, he has overseen (and continues to do so) the destruction of the UK economy. A price to be paid back some have said for the next 100 years.

Ricky1
Ricky1
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

True but he is a very strong contender for being the next Tory PM. It is in his personal interest to be the Prime Minister to end the personal hell we’re currently in. The masses might support it but theyve been lead to believe its necessary for the greater good. They don’t enjoy it.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Ricky1

The underlying problem is the destruction of viable politics.

If Sunak is the answer, I’m not sure what the question is.

As for Johnson and Starmer – they are essentially cheeks of the same arse. That is why Starmer was manoeuvered into position – as a potential substitute, not an alternative.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Absolutely. There is no obvious political alternative. Maybe we should look beyond ‘party’ alignment. Jonathan Sumption would never take the job and he should not. The Law and Politics should never meet. Swayne is a good man. Maybe there are others across the floor who see the issues as real not play politics. Freed of the whip who knows?

jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The time for a peaceful end to this has passed.The entire establishment are complicit in this crime.Nothing short of a revolution can change things now.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

He is not the Master. Who is 1st Secretary of the Treasury? Correct. It’s Princess Nut Nuts.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

I think he has been handed the poisoned chalice.

Ricky1
Ricky1
5 years ago

Even the zealots hate Boris and would consider anyone else a better leader so Sunak is in a very strong position.

danny
danny
5 years ago
Reply to  Ricky1

Ideal (albeit a bit small) cabinet….
Lord Sumption- PM
Desmond Swain-
Sir Charles Walker-

DavidC
DavidC
5 years ago
Reply to  danny

Swayne.

DavidC

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  DavidC

Swayne has principles. They’d eat him for breakfast!

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago

I don’t think Sunak is the answer to anyones prayers, he’s as neo-liberal as they come, anyway he had the power to put a brake on this shit-show, in reality his complicity facilitated it.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

You think we’d be better off with Richie Satan?!

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago

The Tories will desperately reinvent. Produce another crop of NHS destroying big business promoting apologists. Can’t we all agree that the NHS needs sorting, multinationals need to pay the tax they are due and political cronyism has to stop?

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

I’d prefer we move to a 1st world healthcare system instead of the 2nd world purgatory that is the NHS.
There is a reason no other 1st world country uses the NHS model ( Although Singapore did try it – then ditched it when they saw how inept it was)
As regards tax, do you mean all the multinationals based in the UK like BP & Shell or AstroZenica pay too much tax here and not enough in the rest of the world or is it something else?

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

I lived in Singapore for 15 years. Their system is complex and handles a populace whose income varies between a few hundred S$ a month to millions. There are several funds, some you pay into, some the government. There also the Eastern concept of Family care that we have lost in the West. Do some slip through the net. Absolutely. My wife spent her time with a charity dealing with battered wives formwhom there was no social support due the shame culture.

As for tax specifics would take to long. My belief is more multinationals milk the system than suffer from it. It must also be understood that a Company Director is legally obliged to benefit the shareholders so if that means avoiding (not evading) tax that is their duty. I don’t blame the Corporations.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Ricky1

We have to be careful on the baby and bathwater issue. I’m no conservative. I’m a Remainer, Socialist, IPCC hating Mensa member realist. The sheeple will vote Tory because there is no realistic alternative. I believe Rishi hates the money printing but he loves his job more. He’ll still be better then Boris. I hate him less than Kneel Starmer. Strangely this group has common ground they are yet unaware of.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Forgot to add. A Gaitskell socialist. The predecessor of Wilson. Realist but man of the people.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

That’s a lot of labels. I have never felt attracted enough to any. I liked the Greens once, now they want to Build Back Better and disregard communities as they do

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago

Then we share much. I hate labels but have got so frustrated I needed to vent my true feelings. Practical people have been marginalised. Socialist = we should be able to feed schoolchildren. Look over our 6ft garden walls and see what’s outside. NHS is free at the point of delivery. It was never and can never be ‘free’. Actually prosecute not just tut-tut £250m PPE ‘contracts’ to US Jewelry designers.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

I’m a Remainer, Socialist

Oh it shows. Trust me.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I’ll debate you anytime, anywhere.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

You don’t know how to debate without spurious slurs comrade! I see your fellow coward down vote commies are out tonight too.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Ok. What slur? Would you like to debate Socialism vs Communism? I’m up for that.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Socialism is a broad church of collectivist values don’t go all Marxist.

Libertarians have their own definitions of communism, remarkably many were wise enough not to waste time swallowing communist manifesto guff.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Having actually read Marx trust me I’m not a follower. All labels have two definitions. One by the followers. The other by the opponents. It’s cheap and easy to dismiss by assigning a label. It’s often painful to actually think for a moment. Winston Churchill crossed the floor of the house more than once because the context had changed. I may not agree with his politics but I admire his tenacity.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Your indoctrinated view of Marx shines clear. Despite your deflection, dismal & vapid debating skills. Churchill was a politician & as such had no principles, worth valuing.

However I find myself in agreement with him on one matter.

Socialism is, in its essence, an attack not only upon British enterprise, but upon the right of the ordinary man or woman to breathe freely without having a harsh, clumsy, tyrannical hand clapped across their mouths and nostrils. –- chWinston CHURCHILL, The First Conservative Election Broadcast, 4 June 1945

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

To ‘down vote’ is cowardly? Interesting thought.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

I’m glad you’re finally thinking.

The timid action of depressing an icon button without the courage to offer reasoned explanation for your displeasure is certainly an avoidance of possible conflict, if not cowardly conduct.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

As if proof were needed there it is.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

By your name let you be known.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Oh. I forgot. There is nothing to trust. Tell that to your handlers.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

handlers.

That’s your highest level of debate is it?

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Do you actually know what that infers?

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

You’re a twat?

Don’t misunderstand me comrade, twat is one of my favourite words, oh wise one, but do you know of its true definition? Not that revised woke definition found in Merriam Webster. But proper ye olde English.

jonathan Palmer
jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ricky1

Months ago it was put out in the news that Sunak was going to resign if we back into lockdown.That was the one before.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago

Just like to return briefly to Whitty’s garbage tonight at the Uncle Tom Appreciation Society meeting tonight in Downing Street.

The UK is “past the peak” of the current wave of the pandemic but infection rates are still high,
England’s chief medical officer says.

It’s been heading down for nearly 4 weeks (peaking on 5th of January, before Lockdown could have had an effect). He’s only done about 5 press conferences since New Year; how come he’s only just noticed?

Vallance is no better; last week, he said it would take a long, long time for ‘cases’ to fall.

Pair of flimflam merchants! Next slide, please!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

My friend said they’re going door-to-door offering tests in Bradford. Given that the dreaded South African Mutant isn’t anywhere near Bradford, we have to assume that the council need to boost “case” numbers so they can beg for more government funding. Bradford has been in tier 3 mockdown, or worse, since August.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

My friend said they’re going door-to-door offering tests in Bradford.

That’s interesting, Cheezy; I wonder if it’s happening elsewhere. It could explain why the testing centres are always empty, yet the test numbers are absurdly high. This is the last 8 days.

27/01 771,710
28/01 753,031
29/01 662,675
30/01 439,006
31/01 574,012
01/02 643,204
02/02 606,382

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

That is a lot. There are currently nearly 33,000 patients in hospital, so even if they’re tested every day, that still leaves a mind-boggling number of others being tested!

Kirklees told the public not to use the testing centres as they were for frontline staff only. If we had symptoms, we were to phone 111. Looking to reduce numbers here I’d say.
Maybe they’ve finally sussed that if you get tested, you get locked down!

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Note. Again. ‘Covid positive tests’. Not illness.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Of course. I’m aware of that Rick; I normally add that to the bottom of my posts. Forgot this time. 🙂

RickH
RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I wasn’t being anally retentive or critical, Ceriain. Sorry if it seemed that way.

I was just adding emphasis to this never-ending scam.

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

No apology required, Rick. I knew what you meant.

And you’re correct; we should always highlight the difference.

John
John
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

What they are not telling anyone is that even if the virus suddenly vanished completely from everywhere that the linear flow testing of the whole of the U.K. would produce the populations of Leicester plus Nottingham positive results. That if the whole world were tested there would be the population of the U.K. in positive results. This is with 0 virus being present.

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

approx 2 million affected by covid out of 7.7 billion, trashing the world sound like a massive over hype imo.

janejakobs
janejakobs
5 years ago

I watched the Vernon Coleman video. I don’t generally watch him, but this was powerful. For the last three or so minutes he has a hard time composing himself.

I see in those moments the psychological toll that it takes to stand up for something we believe in the face of extreme conformity. It might sound like the person standing up to the crowd is a stubborn old fool, a troll or a contrarian, or a teflon type. But often the brave face and strong position disguises mountains of pain and trauma that are inflicted by the bullies, the turncoats and the clamoring opportunists. It is so so fucking hard to stand up for what we believe in when the social toll is this intense. So fucking hard. Is it a wonder most people put on blinders and lie to themselves?

They do it neither because they are stupid nor because they are mistaken. They do it because it’s more convenient for them. Because they are selfish and cowardly. I never can muster much disdain for earnest religious fanatics, but I will never in my life be able to look past those who run with the crowd for their self… Read more »

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago

This demand for a state funeral in honour of Captain Tom Moore seems rather odd. Under the current lockdown regulations the maximum number of people who can attend a funeral is thirty. I wonder if those demanding a state funeral have considered what a state funeral of thirty people would look like?

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Cheap at twice the price!

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Of course not, this nonsense just highlights the stupidity of the people we are up against. It’s why i’ve always said trying convert these people with obsolete concepts like science & facts is a futile endeavour.

As they say, you can’t fix stupid.

John
John
5 years ago

Dr Sam Bailey’s latest presentation on YouTube is about clinical trials which may be of interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h7mLhjYvF8

Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago

In WW2, 384,000 UK soldiers were killed in combat and 70,000 civilians were killed over 6 years with 40,000 of those civilians killed between Sept 1940 and May 1941 in the Blitz. Interesting statistics.

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

msm and social media are the nemesis

Ossettian
Ossettian
5 years ago

So our government has killed far more civilians than those dastardly Germans did?

Dorian_Hawkmoon
Dorian_Hawkmoon
5 years ago
Reply to  Ossettian

If they want to play stats, I can play stats.
Going by 100k “covid” deaths (%not) and 100k+ lockdown deaths (their figures) then it’s even heading for half the military total. They could get off the hook a little by accepting some of those would have been usual mortality but they don’t so hoist by their own petard as far as I can see. They can see if they can hit the big 454k. They have a year or two…

rockoman
rockoman
5 years ago

University Clinic Graz, Austria – dancing medical staff:

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1357057207490260992

Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

How much time and effort went into organising, choreographing, practising for this performance? How many health care worker hours?

Dodderydude
Dodderydude
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

You think that’s bad. Look at this worldwide compilation…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Dr0mVtojk&feature=emb_logo

And for those who may have missed the first season of TikTok videos here’s a compilation of those…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCe1hc8GaJs&feature=emb_logo

Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

Nurses, look the patient in they eye and tell them you did everything possible to save them – whilst dancing.

Janette
Janette
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Haha love it

Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

I can hear the ringing of the bells of patients are pressing in vain whilst gasping for their last breath whilst the staff are outside dancing. Or was the hospital at 0% occupancy?

Dodderydude
Dodderydude
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

Here’s another one for good measure. Proudly states in the write up that it involves 200 health workers from 24 departments in the featured Dutch hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDb8roCpzdQ

mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  rockoman

maybe its just me but why does anyone want to participate in such a pathetic dance video.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
5 years ago

Not what I’d describe as positive views on the AZ vaccine. Laurie Garrett is definitely not a lockdown sceptic. She links to a thread critiquing the test results:

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1357082564532588544

Laurie Garrett
@Laurie_Garrett

This is a homerun Tweet thread from @hildabast

that echoes sentiments I’m hearing from immunologists today, reacting to @AstraZeneca

claims about its #COVID19 “vaccine”. A pile of spin doctors tried to turn a pile of “crap”

test results into reason that anybody should buy the AZ vax.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Well that was interesting. A lot of different opinions. And shows why you need to do the digging yourself as the way the numbers are presented is based on a preferred interpretation, of which there are certainly a few.

Some of the sub threads are both informative but depressing. The whole discussion about the vaccines are, once again, riddled with massive questions that are never answered and leave me wholly confused. Example

https://mobile.twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1357011532106792960

1. If they are using PCR for detecting infection, have they published the CTs and clinical details of this? Basically all issues of PCR still apply.

2. They seem disappointed that the AZ vax doesn’t prevent asymptomatic infection (2% effectiveness). Now, they still do not mention anything about the issues around asymptomatic infection and whether this is even important given what we know.

The whole asymptomatic thing has me totally baffled anyway. The report of the Orthodox Jewish community in London having 65% anti bodies for example. Herd immunity with 0.3% deaths. Diamond Princess. However, how could they achieve this without asymptomatic spread?

It’s dark waters that I’ve gone back and forth on. Happy to be enlightened on.

The point anyway is that the fundamentals just… Read more »

b_sceptic
b_sceptic
5 years ago

You seem to be assuming that Covid-19 was a new virus at the time of the Diamond Princess event.

Many people with knowledge of such matters are convinced that the Covid had been around for at least a year or so and many people had had chance to encounter it and gain immunity.

mattghg
mattghg
5 years ago

Sorry I’m late to ask, but did anyone hear any clapping tonight? Anyone?

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Only outside my bedroom window.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Please explain

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Nope!

Ceriain
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Plenty of posts below about it.

isobar
isobar
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Only when my wife got a beer for me out of the fridge !

isobar
isobar
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

And when I poured my wife a glass of wine in return.

GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Nothing in my street, although I read on the local Facebook page that a few folk elsewhere in the estate were out.

Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

sadly yes. at least 2 in my street.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  mattghg

Only in my head

Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago

Bodo Schiffmann, one of the most well known doctors in Germany who was one of the first to question numbers and policy, made a very good 20min video about Corona and so called mutations.
His English might not be perfect, but it might be a good resource to show someone who starts from scratch.

https://t.me/AllesAusserMainstream
February 1st

mj
mj
5 years ago

recording from sky news of when they announced Captain tom had had his jab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swHpUefSmL4

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Journalist with verbal diahroea – due to her need to speak without pause for 2 hours at a time seven days a week – makes an unsourced assertion.

Proves nothing.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Should be sued by the vax company for slander

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

Been purged hasn’t it. Ministry Of Truth at work.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  mj

wow.

Old Trout
Old Trout
5 years ago

Well I’ve just watched Dr. Vernon Coleman’s latest video and am so shocked and upset, and yes angry, by the heartbreaking sight of him breaking down that I must get it off my chest. What sort of world are we living in where decent, caring and brave people like him are censored and vilified, while the majority of people seem to think the murderous pychopaths Bozo, Witless & Co are doing a great job? (Note to Hancock, that’s what real emotion looks like you sociopathic piece of shit, not your pathetic attempt at impersonating a decent human being.) I’ve always been a fairly gentle, non-violent person but I feel so much hatred for those murdering fuckers at the moment that I could happily tear them apart limb by limb with my bare hands.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/doctors-and-nurses-giving-the-covid-19-vaccine-will-be-tried-as-war-criminals_7tNEBnZogbdlEXu.html

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  Old Trout

I once read Mrs Caldicot’s Cabbage War by Vernon Coleman.
I’m afraid that ever since, I’ve held everything he’s said in the same regard I hold that book.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  AidanR

Your loss …

CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Old Trout

I said as much to someone last week. I too am not a violent person, but I could easily use my bare hands to feel the last breath go out of that worthless turd. The person I said it too thought it was a bit strong. I do not think anything is strong enough for the hate I feel towards this excuse for a person.

JHUNTZ
JHUNTZ
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

I absolutely hate them, every single one of them. :-

  1. wancock
  2. bojo
  3. turdgeon
  4. Turdgeon’s Dentist of doom sidekick
  5. whitty
  6. valance
  7. Van commie Taam
  8. Sridhar bitch
  9. starmer
  10. dan dictator andrews
  11. non essential drakeford
  12. fat morgan
  13. fauci
  14. merkel
  15. globalist macron
  16. cuckdeu
  17. Prince tosspot
  18. Dr Evil Klaus
  19. Billy G

I hate them with a fucking passion. These bastards have set about ruining the free world. Their a fucking cancer of the highest order and can never be forgiven for this descent into dystopia. My only hope is I live long enough to set off fireworks whenever they all go to hell.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  JHUNTZ

That last 3mins is raw emotion. Vernon means every word and defends it with all his intellectual ability. That video has left me very sad but angry.

I’ll add to that list.

Gabriel Scally
Trish Greelaugh
Christopher Snowden
Luke O Neill
Every politician in Northern Ireland. Not a sceptical note among them all through this.

godowneasy
godowneasy
5 years ago

Add Tomas Ryan, Anthony Staines, Gerry Killeen and the rest of the Irish nuttery.

leggy
leggy
5 years ago
Reply to  bebophaircut

It’s the elephant in the room.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
5 years ago

Not only is there a call for Capt Tom to have a state funeral, but there’s a call to have a statue of him built. How long do you think BLM will allow that to stand if built?

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Your point is conceptually valid but no one will attack this statue, mawkish though it may be. More scary is the blatant attempt to create a national hero/icon. Anything to deflect from the reality.

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Gazza was a national hero/icon once. So was Jimmy Savile.

I wouldn’t worry about it, if I were you.

JohnDanny
JohnDanny
5 years ago

I’m no conspiracy theorist, but:

https://rumble.com/vdibv5-the-hydroxychloroquine-coverup.html

And let’s not forget this:

https://hcqmeta.com/

But listen, I’m no conspiracy theorist.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnDanny

What conspiracy? Are you questioning the integrity of our right honourable MP’s, the ones destroying our livelihoods whilst filling their pockets, how dare you.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnDanny

A very good summary.

Criminals.

isobar
isobar
5 years ago

Bojo now backs campaign for a statue to Captain Tom. Nothing against Captain Tom personally, but have we gone completely mad? What about a statue for those who lost their lives through being sent back from hospital to care homes, those over 80 who are deemed not worthy of ICU, those who are missing out on cancer scans, those who have died at home from heart attacks etc etc. Those who have been made bankrupt through forced closure of their businesses, those who are suffering from mental distress etc etc. The children who are missing out on their education etc etc Please wake me up and tell me that I am dreaming!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9220261/Britain-salutes-Captain-Tom-Nation-takes-doorsteps-pay-tribute-fundraising-hero.html

isobar
isobar
5 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Sorry, meant nightmare!

Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  isobar

What about no new statues right now? This is all just a pandemic-adjusted dose of bread and circuses.

sophie123
sophie123
5 years ago
Reply to  isobar

It’s the daily mail campaign, no? They railroaded him into it rather at the press thingy earlier. And I am not sure he really backed it. It’s like they were trolling him with it
.

isobar
isobar
5 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I would guess so, typical DM.

mj
mj
5 years ago
Reply to  isobar

what a good idea.. then the BLM can tear it down given that Tom is a white privileged imperialist

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
5 years ago
Reply to  isobar

To answer your question, yes, this country has gone completely fucking mad.

HoMojo
HoMojo
5 years ago
Reply to  isobar

People seem to have missed the painful irony that Tom Moore fought in a war to defend this country from tyranny. And now it’s the tyrants who want to erect a statue for him.

eastender53
eastender53
5 years ago

There’s a lot of agent provocateur stuff going on here. No doubt 77 is present. I was in NI in the 70’s and took part in similar things.

Aside from that, ‘look them in the eyes’ is now every ad break. The thing with psyops is that less is more. If you have to keep pushing then it’s not working.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Look in a mirror & ask who the agent is!

AidanR
AidanR
5 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

You should screen print it, and make it a part of your – oh, what would I call it? – your Agent Provocateur Catalogue?

It’s guaranteed to raise interest.

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