Operation Moonshine
We’ve been hearing for some time that the Government hopes to return to “normal” through mass testing of the population with enforced quarantine for those who fail the test. Boris Johnson has now dubbed this “Operation Moonshot” and to say it has not gone down well with experts would be an understatement. Sky has more.
The mass testing programme would cost £100bn – almost as much as the government spends on the NHS each year (£130bn) – according to a briefing memo seen by medical journal the BMJ. A separate document revealed there were plans to grow the UK’s testing capacity from the current 350,000 a day to up to 10 million a day by early 2021…
Anthony Costello, a former World Health Organisation director and UCL professor, wrote on Twitter: “The PM’s Moonshot nonsense (no science, feasibility, evidence) has been earmarked for £100bn, almost the entire NHS budget, w contracts for Astra, Serco and G4S. This is waste/corruption on a cosmic scale.” …
Dr David Strain, Clinical Senior Lecturer at the University of Exeter and chairman of the BMA’s medical academic staff committee, said the mass testing strategy is “fundamentally flawed”.
“The Prime Minister’s suggestion that this will be as simple as ‘getting a pregnancy test’ that will give results within 15 minutes is unlikely, if not impossible, in the timescale he was suggesting to get the country back on track,” he said.
Then there’s the teensy teensy problem of false positives, as the Government’s own scientific advisers have stressed.
In a document published on Friday, SAGE said the cheaper and faster tests needed for mass testing were less likely to be able to correctly identify positive and negatives than the tests currently used by NHS Test and Trace.
It said that in a population with low infections, twice-weekly tests with 99% specificity would lead to 41% of the population receiving a false positive over six months.
“In such circumstances, rapid follow-up confirmatory testing will be needed to determine whether individuals should continue to self-isolate – it is important to rapidly isolate infectious individuals, but efforts will be needed to quickly release false positives,” it said.
Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter, a leading statistician at Cambridge, is unimpressed:
Statisticians are just sort of banging their heads on the wall at this, because mass screening always seems like a good idea in any disease – ‘Oh yes, let’s test everybody.’ But the huge danger is false positives – no tests are perfect, it is not a simple yes/no thing. If you only have one per cent false positives among all the people who are not infectious, and you’re testing the whole country, that’s 600,000 people unnecessarily labelled as positives.
Moonshot? More like moonshine.
Sweden Declares Victory
As Boris slams the country into reverse gear to try to hide away from the virus for the winter, Sweden’s public health agency is celebrating widespread immunity. In contrast to England, Sweden is allowing 500 people to attend seated events. No wonder travellers returning from Sweden were removed from the quarantine list last night. The Times reports:
Over the past week the country carried out more than 120,000 tests, of which only 1.3 per cent identified the disease. At the height of the pandemic the proportion was 19 per cent.
Johan Carlson, an epidemiologist and Director of the Public Health Agency, said that Swedes seemed to be benefiting from widespread immunity because of the decision not to order the population to stay at home during the first wave.
“Our strategy was consistent and sustainable,” Professor Carlson said. “We probably have a lower risk of [the virus] spreading than other countries.”…
Some scientists predicted that as many as 180,000 people could die in a country of 10.2 million. Those estimates proved to be drastically overblown: up to now there have been 5,838 COVID-19 deaths. In per capita terms this is the fifth highest death rate in Europe, behind only Belgium, the UK, Spain and Italy, but it has also fallen substantially since the summer. Only seven people died with the disease in the past week.
Sweden’s current Covid guidance? Just wash your hands, keep your distance, and stay home if ill. No masks, no legal restrictions, no closures.
The Mail also features the story, illustrated with some sexy graphs. Great to see some major newspapers challenging the Government on the folly of its suicidal suppression strategy.
Meanwhile, cases in the UK that earlier this week were declared by Government advisers to be “increasing exponentially” remain under 3,000 per day. And those areas subject to local lockdowns? Alistair Haimes has tweeted that there was never a significant increase in Bolton, while a reader has contacted us with the result of a FOI request showing that the positive test rate in Oldham never spiked.
It’s never too late to admit you were wrong, Boris.
Boris Giveth and He Taketh Away
Judith Woods in the Telegraph has penned a blistering indictment of Boris’s flip-flopping and how he giveth with one hand and taketh away with the other.
In June, our gung-ho Prime Minister reassured us that we had “turned the tide” on COVID-19. Brilliant, we thought.
In July, a bullish Boris promised that it would all be over by December, and that a normal Christmas was in prospect. Thank God, we sighed.
In August, his considered verdict was that local lockdowns would be the answer to any further outbreaks. That sounds reasonable, we nodded.
And now, not a fortnight into September, he’s outlawed gatherings of more than half-a-dozen, drafted in a load of Stasi snitches – sorry, I mean Death Marshals… – to police us, and has summarily turned Christmas into Christmiss…
This latest announcement adds up to far more than a numbers game or a few cancelled get-togethers. It was about the loss of hope, a sense of powerlessness and the stymying of our plans for the future. And that is part of what makes us human…
Cue our collective despair and tsunami of mental health issues. How can we plan for anything, big or small, when the blizzard of mixed messages is Alice in Wonderland bewildering?
One minute, it’s our patriotic duty to go to the pub and Eat Out to Help Out; the next, we are being scolded for failing to stop the spread of the virus by being out and about too much.
Daily tests are trumpeted as the ultimate solution to Covid just days after peevish accusations that we, the public, have been taking too many.
Workers are being urged to return to big offices while six is otherwise deemed the maximum safe number for any group.
Care home residents are desolate without regular visitors, which is badly impacting their health and wellbeing. Yet visitors are being kept away to avoid impacting on their health.
Worth reading in full.
Lord Sumption: Use of Fear Has Brought About the Greatest Invasion of Personal Liberty in Our History
Arch-sceptic Lord Sumption has been speaking to the Telegraph’s Allison Pearson on her Planet Normal podcast about how the Government has used fear to take our freedom away.
If you are going to inaugurate the greatest invasion of personal liberty in our entire history, even including wartime measures, if you dare to do that, then you have to move straight into justification mode.
The Government has now found itself trapped in a position where, first of all, it has to exaggerate the extent of the problem in order to justify its past actions. And secondly, by exaggerating the scale of the problem, it is contributing to the difficulty that it now faces in persuading people to go back to school and back to work, because naturally what people ask is, well, what has changed since?
The use of fear has, of course, been noticed by many people. And some members of Sage have made public statements since then saying that this was perhaps overdone, but it was a matter of deliberate policy, as it quite clearly was. “What you have to remember is that when societies lose liberty, it is not because liberty has been crushed under the boot of some tyrant. It’s usually because they’ve been frightened into giving it up voluntarily.
School Sends Whole Year Group Home Because of One Case!
A father writes to tell us about the ongoing disruption to his children’s schooling from the ever-present threat of quarantines:
My two children, aged 10 and 12, finally returned to school last Wednesday, after putting up with an awful lot during the last six months. Having been away from school for so long, they were understandably nervous. However, by this week, I was pleased to see them starting to regain their confidence and enthusiasm. That was until yesterday. At lunchtime, we received a message from the school, asking us to pick up our youngest son as a matter of urgency. Apparently, someone in his bubble had received a positive PCR test result. The “bubble” in question consists of a whole year group of around 60 children, all of whom are now required to self-isolate and not see anyone outside of their own households for nine days (it would have been two weeks, but the child who tested positive hadn’t been in school this week). I said to the Head that we can’t subject our children to a whole term of this, where they go in for a few days, are subsequently imprisoned for two weeks, go back to school, and then sit there dreading their next period of incarceration. The Head looked at me wearily and shrugged her shoulders. My son then spent the evening in tears, unable to articulate what was upsetting him. Meanwhile, my oldest son has accepted that the same fate will befall him soon and has therefore lost motivation. I worry that the combination of instability, uncertainty, and social exclusion is a perfect recipe for cultivating chronic anxiety and demoralisation. How many children will go through this during the coming weeks, and how much harm will it cause them and their families? If the response were proportionate to the problem, then fair enough. But, as your readers are aware, it is not.
Covid Nation
Guy de la Bédoyère, longstanding contributor to Lockdown Sceptics, has written a “Postcard From the British Museum” about a recent trip he made to London. He wasn’t impressed, particularly by the “Covid secure” railway stations.
Getting to departures at Kings Cross is another massive Covid job-creation scheme with a battalion of hapless zombies positioned around waving at you to walk as far as possible, and past as many people as possible, to get to the trains. Has anyone actually considered how inefficient this is? It manifestly doesn’t even serve the purpose it’s supposed to. Apparently walking straight past someone through an entrance is tantamount to distributing plague like alms but walking alongside a crowd of people going in the same direction through yards and yards of corridors is ‘safe’.
In the carriage the woman opposite had a large mask clamped to her face like the hideous monster in the movie Alien and sat there in a paralysed state of self-preservation. She seemed to be totally unaware that the woman behind her was rabbiting away into her mobile phone with her mask around her neck which means that according to some Government animations she was being showered by a hailstorm of virus particles.
Worth reading in full.
Piers Corbyn Censored by YouTube
Kevin Corbett, a seasoned sceptic, has been in touch to say YouTube took down a video he posted of Piers Corbyn setting out the case against lockdowns for “violating our community guidelines”. How did it do that, exactly?
YouTube doesn’t allow content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of the World Health Organization (WHO) or local health authorities’ recommended guidance on social distancing and self-isolation that may lead people to act against that guidance. Learn more here.
The funny thing about this, as we have said many times before, is that the WHO changes its mind so often about what to recommend that it must be a full-time job for some poor drudge at the Googleplex to keep track of what the official line is. To make matters worse, some very important people are allowed to contradict WHO guidance. For instance, here’s a YouTube video of Dr Anthony Fauci saying back in March that there’s absolutely no need for ordinary American citizens to wear face masks.
Another Corbynista Sceptic Comes Out
We’re a broad church at Lockdown Sceptics, recognising that sanity can exist across the political spectrum. Our message from a Jezza fan yesterday has inspired another today:
Like the person quoted in Lockdown Sceptics latest newsletter, I too am/was a Corbyn supporter. In short, I was inspired by his message, his policies, his integrity and his person. I joined Labour in 2015 because of him. I left in 2020 when he was finally toppled.
I remain disgusted at the treatment of him by the press and broadcast media – even Peter Hitchens is with me on that one! – but most of all by his own parliamentary party.
That, by way of background, is partly to say that, yes, not all left-thinking people are following the somewhat strange supporting of lockdown.
While you [Toby] and I are probably politically miles apart, on this we are united – the current situation is ridiculous – I see too many parallels with 1930s Germany than I find comfortable.
And for what? A virus that, yes, is dangerous to some, but only as much as other viruses we see year by year. It’s hardly in the same ball park as Ebola.
All the data tells us that the models of the Oxford team led by Sunetra Gupta are much closer to what we are seeing across the country. Why Professor Ferguson keeps getting publicity, it is hard to fathom.
Anyway, more power to your elbow with the work you are doing with Lockdown Sceptics. I just needed to say, I will be certain there are many left-thinkers who will be more with you than against you!
A New Political Party
We’ve had a lot of responses to the post yesterday by a frustrated consultant about the failure of our leaders to adjust course in response to the overwhelming evidence that the continuing restrictions on our liberties are causing more harm than they’re preventing.
This gentleman thinks the answer is an anti-lockdown political party, much like the one that’s already been set up in Germany, that can contest elections, starting with the locals next May (assuming they aren’t cancelled). We are inclined to agree – although, as this reader points out, it probably shouldn’t have the word “anti” in its name!
There needs to be a democratic response with “anti-the nonsense“ candidates at each and every bye-election and possibly local elections. If possible there should be a new political party oriented to protecting our liberties and acting in the interests of the people as a whole. That is, people’s livelihoods, welfare, employment and freedom to go about their everyday business. Most of the policy focus of the major parties is on small minorities including the less than 0.5% of the population who might get seriously ill or die from COVID-19.
I see it having a “Positive Vision” mantra as an antidote to the fear and negativity of all the political parties at present.
Can anyone think of a better name than the anti-lockdown party? The Pro-Life Party? The Normal Party? The Let’s Party Party?
Round-Up
- “Boris Johnson facing Cabinet unrest over ‘rule of six’” – Half the Cabinet are reported to be unhappy, while Simon Dolan is already bringing a legal challenge
- “Confusion over ‘Covid marshals’ who will have no power to fine or arrest” – They’ll only guide and advise apparently. Police have already dismissed them as “Covid Wombles”
- “Lockdown forever” – Tom Slater in spiked says enough is enough: “Western societies once put a pretty high bar on when civil liberties should be suspended, but today the precautionary principle rules.”
- “Covid: Has Hancock gone too far this time?” – Kathy Gyngell in Conservative Woman lets hapless Hancock have both barrels
- “How will this ultra-cautious, hellish version of snakes and ladders ever get Britain back on its feet?” – Dominic Sandbrook in the Mail joins in the chorus of denunciation
- “Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!” – The latest update from Ivor Cummins, including: Why is Sweden different from its neighbours, America’s “second wave”, Brazil and Peru, and why we should have been building up immunity in summer
- “Record 2.2m patients faced wait for NHS treatment – as numbers TRIPLE in a year” – Why on earth does anyone still believe lockdowns save more lives than they take?
- “The Dystopian Age of the Mask” – Thomas Crew in The Critic finds mask-mania was anticipated nearly a century ago
- “UK should brace for further restrictions, warns Professor Neil Ferguson” – His model told him so
- “Government Guidance Has Failed Care Home Residents And Their Families” – An important campaign defending the right of people with dementia to have access to their family that is preparing to take legal action against the Government
- “Statistics teach us to be sceptical about ‘Operation Moonshot’” – More reasons not to be falsely positive about Operation Moonshine from Chris Smyth in the Times
- “Covid crackdowns will paralyse our society. We must learn to live with the disease” – Outstanding Telegraph editorial, which includes a quote from the Kirkham et al paper publish on Lockdown Sceptics on Wednesday
- “Ministers need to defy the instinct to lockdown” – Similarly excellent Spectator editorial
- “Boris Johnson Has Led a Fascist Coup Against the UK” – James Delingpole gets right to the point
- “Distributing vaccines and treatments for COVID-19 and flu” – Important Government consultation on the delivery of unlicensed vaccines that was snuck out at the end of August
- “Ignoring the lesson of Sweden makes a tougher Covid crackdown inevitable” – Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph on the need to follow Sweden and switch from suppression to herd immunity
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Five today: “No Strategy” by Martial Canterel, “Wrong Data” by Evan Olson, “Over Reacted” by J.U.S.T, “Hysterical Mistake” by The Sun Of Weakness, and “No Social Life” by Haymaker.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all and some will have to close again on September 14th. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 14th to Oct 23rd). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 31,500).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
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I would like to point out one thing about the PCR test for sars-cov2 … this test only confirms that a person was exposed to the live virus OR fragments of the dead virus at some point in the last month … I want to emphasize that …
you can be exposed to viral fragments just as easily as you can be exposed to the live virus …
and in fact, because the viral fragments are SMALLER than the virus itself it can actually be easier to be exposed and inhale them …
So any test looking for those fragments (like the PCR test) can pick up fragments your own body created (by actual exposure to the live virus) or it can pick up fragments FROM SOMEONE else that you inhaled …
and this exposure could be as far back as a month ago …
remember when they said sars-cov2 could survive on a surface for up to a week (or 2 weeks) etc … Well guess how long viral fragments can survive …. MONTHS …
PCR positives are NOT CASES of Covid19 the disease … symptoms are required to be a medical CASE of Covid19 …
100 billion pounds to carry out mass testing in this country alone. Add this amount to the the amount other countries who might also try mass testing . How much is all that going to be. And more to the point who is profiting and who is paying for this engagement with lunacy.
SATURDAY’S PAGE IS HERE – Get there whilst there’s still space (socially distanced of course).. Your covid womble awaits
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Did I hear that “cases” / infections are now doubling every week?
From a standing start of 3,000 today – would that not mean the whole population is infected by Christmas?
Would some one like to check my maths?
Positive test results apparently are rising as testing increases. These are neither “cases” nor “infections”. Many are probably false positives.
“Can anyone think of a better name than the anti-lockdown party? The Pro-Life Party? The Normal Party? The Let’s Party Party?”
The Right To Party
This is not a pandemic. Enough of this surreal situation. We, the 50% or so people on the breadline, working folks that dont happen to be asset rich, have our livelihoods in jeopardy. This is going to cause so much economic pain. We need to mobilise, RIGHT NOW. I am starting on my own at 5pm this Sunday in my town (Cheltenham), will write some words on cardboards and start the debate before we start new lockdown rules once again.
Speaking of coups
Amazing Polly A Coup in the Making
https://youtu.be/3cfYF01IyuI
Did anyone listen to Dr Vernon Coleman on BrandNewTube yet? His talk on electric vehicles was an eye opener.
Dr Coleman is the voice of reason here in the UK. Doubt he will get a knighthood for his good work.
Do we still have a monarchy? Have not seen any of the royals for some time.
Dr Vernon Coleman is an amazing man. A legend.
Does anyone happen to know the positivity rate in the peak?
At present we sit at around 0.0125 or 1.28% of all tests.
Would also be useful to know how many France and Spain are testing each day.
The SAD Party: Skeptics Against Despots.
Denise Walsh is a trooper, three against one and she stands her ground. Good on her.
Interesting that Eamon says that broadcaster have restrictions upon them. (maybe not his exact words)
“The Doctor” should think about why she became a doctor, from this not to help the sick.
I keep saying I think Eamon is helpful. Denise is brilliant needs support from her friends and colleagues. It’s fine talking graphs on LS but where denise is is where the battle against fear is fought.
I think if Denise could get support from some of the celebrities she has worked with we could start seeing some cracks in the farce.
I have mental health issues, I know that the current situation is dire for many people, and we are doing nothing to help. MH care was poor before the farce, I suspect at the moment short of being sectioned it is non existsant.
Unfortunately the message from government via MSM & social media has been so powerful people who previously did not have any MH issues, now find themselves with MH issues.
I know people on the streets fear getting ill with cv19 and Denise is trying to speak out about the message being pushed.
Spot on DDave. I have limited awareness of celebland (and everything else!) One recent snippet about the US election kind of describes this situation around daytime tv. It is say the US election is decided by middle america middle ages mothers. For all the thinkers and the influencers that demograph sets the national direction. Denise has a real important place and is doing amazingly well from what I have seen.
How bad will this get? I am expecting marshal law and thousands of deaths in the fight for freedom within 6 months.
I think overnight curfews are next, and people will accept them without any though about what is happening.
Because we are saving granny
Granny – who never wore a mask or social distanced when she was a young ‘un and would most likely not expect others to behave as she didn’t.
I think we can all resist at the level that is possible for us as individuals, given age, country of residence, local conditions, assessment of personal risk, mental stubbornness, etc.
Sometimes, simply a blank stare instead of nodding along with the narrative is enough.
Watch what will happen in the U.S.A.
What do you think will happen in the USA?
Melbourne is my worst nightmare.
We win. That is one outcome of this. Without a full idea of how bad the damage to humankind is, it is at least possible to suggest a senario where the tyranny is stopped dead.
My question is how do we stop this from happening again? The world has not organisation shot through with the organs of this totalitarian cancer.
Jumping too far ahead, yes. However – what if all this is just the problem to get our reaction so they can offer their ultimate solution.
One thing that must happen is this never be forgotten. Yesterday on freeview must play endless repeats for ever more, lest we forget.
I want to believe we will. But so many have fallen for it.
It’s one outcome. A win will come very quickly in the end. That is why they keep screwing down harder, they cannot allow their grip to loosen- it will end in a woosh!
Please just kill me now.
Boris dropping a hint?
Feeling super low today, but then glimmers of hope. I believe there will be anther lockdown – October has always been the prediction, I think it’ll be ‘short’, then they will fuck with Christmas – inevitable. I worry about ALL of this (not shouting, just mean ‘the whole thing’) but it might be their undoing….as Yuri Bezomonov said and I don’t quote, but his sentiment was that it takes 10- 15 years to demoralise and then destabilise a country. 172 countries trying this bollocks on in a mere 5 months, naah. People are waking up too quickly (good) I don’t want to throw false optimism out but I just feel they are rushing things to their detriment.
I saw in Boris’s eyes that he knew that we were waking up. They need to run as fast as they can now. The next move is critical.
It is so true – one can see the lies in their eyes…
Assuming Xmas isn’t cancelled I expect unprecedented cringe, especially from tacky tat like that.
I was just about to go to bed. This is now my nightmare.
Here is one paragraph from WebMD on the history of the coronavirus. First detected in 1965.
Coronavirus EvolutionScientists first identified a human coronavirus in 1965. It caused a common cold. Later that decade, researchers found a group of similar human and animal viruses and named them after their crown-like appearance.
Here is the full article:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-history
I’m worried about all the people in the fields of science, politics, the media and the public sector who enjoy their “corona-boner”. People like Ferguson, Sturgeon, Robinson, and Dick.
You forgot Cockup.
L
I would like to know all the ingredients in the disinfectant that public transport uses every day to disinfect their buses and metro cars.
LSD
When is Covid, Covid?
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/when-is-covid-covid/
Good article looking at WHO, EU, US, UK, CHN definitions of what defines a case of Covid.
Lab result gets precedent over clinical symptoms everytime. Lab result alone without correlating to secondary indicators. Our health service is worthless.
I watched Brian Rose’s (London Real) interview with Dr. David Martin, the key narrator in the recent Plandemic documentary. He audited patent quality and for governments and patent offices — he knows everything there is to know about patents. In the interview he exposes Moderna — the pharma company working on the Covid vaccine that Fauci is touting. He discovered this:
In a patent application by Moderna on March 28, 2019 it was written “because of a concern about re-emergence or deliberate release of a SARS beta coronavirus (S1 spike protein, the so-called “novel” part) vaccine development was initiated”. The same kind of application was submitted in 2015 and and many times after, was rejected by the patent office. Note the year — 2019, not 2020.
And today Jordan Schachtel of the Mass Illusion reports that yesterday on a videoconference call Fauci called for the shutdown of the US economy until a Covid vaccine is available to the general public. He said the US should model itself after Australia. Nothing will be remotely normal until the end of 2021 he claimed. No conspiracy????
Planned all along. Victoria (Aus) is the puppet for the western world. Coming to the UK very very soon. If we let it…
Non compliance, mass disobedience and calling it out as a load of bollocks – most recent in the queue in Savers, drew a sceptical crowd, we had a good rant.
If we all ignored the nonsense, it would go away, just don’t do any of it
This is conspiracy nonsense. It’s hardly surprising that people were alert to the possibility of a new SARS virus. It’s more surprising that our government seemed totally unprepared for it.
How about unlikely coincidence…of which there are far too many with respect to Covid.
What other unlikely coincidences are there?
Event 201 — uncanny the extent to which it mirrors what happened just 6 months later; almost every Western government moved in lockstep to quarantined healthy people — never been done in human history; Fauci funded the Wuhan lab to allow them to conduct gain-of-function experiments when they became illegal in the US and stands to gain from a vaccine; Bill Gates was “predicting” a pandemic in late 2019; big Pharma and Gates want to vaccinate the world and coincidentally a pandemic occurs and vaccines are “ready” in less than a year — a process that usually takes between 4 and 20 years.
Lisa you were right coincidencies abound throughout this. Lift any rock and there’s at least one. No need to list them all. There comes a time of evening when the chat shuts down and people might say things just to irk and provoke.
Keep an eye on when conspiracy is rolled out in reply. It is used to stop conversation not encourage.
A tactic if you like. You know what a coincidence looks like and so do I.
Funny enouugh there is an interview with Gates, and he also states that the ‘pandemic’ will not be over until the end of 2021. No conspiracy, out of the mouth of he who has no vested interest in this scenario. How does a guy, who supposedly is only interested in his business ventures able to predict the outcome of a so called pandemic. Yes, Toby, answers on a postcard.
Thanks — I know there are others I missed. Gates seems to be a part of all the “coincidences.”
He’s in the bloody thick of it!
As if this whole testing business was not a scam in its own right, someone has just posted the message below on the village facebook site, I guess if they try this enough times a few people will fall for it;
.And so it begins!……
‘Good afternoon I’m calling from the NHS track and trace service. According to our system, you are likely to have been in close proximity to someone who has tested positive for COVID-19. This means that you now need to self-isolate for 7 days and take a COVID-19 test.’
‘OK. Can you tell me who that person was?’
‘I’m not able to tell you that. That is confidential information.’
‘Right. Um… so ….’
‘But you do need to be tested within the next 72 hours. So can I just get the best mailing address so that we can send a kit to you?’
‘Ok (gives address)’
I just need to take a payment card so that we can finalize this and send the kit to you.’
‘Sorry – a payment card? I thought this was all free?’
‘No – I’m afraid not. There is a one-off fee of £50 for the kit and test results. Could… Read more »
I feel bad saying this And I hate vulnerable people being scammed but scammers jumping on the test and trace band wagon may actually undermine the whole scheme and bring test and trace, PHE/NHS, the government into disrepute. Every cloud…
wow this scam would be easy to do….all you would need to do is hide your phone number. I bet LOADS of people will get scammed with this.
Thank you
I spoke to someone at work, her daughter’s relationship has broken down and she has had to sell the property she shared with her partner, split the proceeds and start again, the daughter was furloughed for two weeks early on during the current farce. When she went to get a mortgage on her new property the mortgage lender is now saying that she is a higher risk due to being furloughed. Anyone heard anything similar to this?
Imagine the 9.6M who have been enjoying an extended holiday on the tax tax payer, ah not nice outside maybe I should resume the life I left behind in March, only to find out that their credit rating and prospects has gone down the toilet.
***I know many people will have been furloughed but would much rather be at work.***
People who took mortgage holidays are also going to be considered higher risk.
Interesting – thanks for that. The mainstream media might catch up on that eventually!
Keir Starmer supports the measures and urges the people to follow them. He’s a Fascist too.
Planned all along; It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the goverment always stays in power.
Starmer – the anti-charmer.
I can’t imagine how any political party that privileges the collective over the individual and believes in the nanny state could say otherwise. Our prime minister, a Liberal, is indistinguishable from our provincial premier, a Conservative. Our “conservative” premier ended the emergency but extended his emergency powers without debate. I’m politically homeless.
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Kneel Starmer – vile tosser.
Had another look at the furloughed figures, last time the numbers were updated 16th August we still have 9.6M (1/3 of the working population) people living off the state. The figures will next be updated on 22nd September. Cost to the county £35.4B, so far.
I wonder how many of these people will have work to go back to?
Listened to an economist (well professor of economics) on TalkRadio and he seems happy for the government to continue to borrow money until the cows come home.
We need to get back to work pronto.
The riots will only start when these people realise they can’t eat soon.
We need to rise and show whoever is governing this country that we are mad as hell and are not going to take this anymore.
The only way that will happen is when people spend more than 40% of their income on food due to inflation. Historically that is when people stage a revolution. That day is fast approaching in the UK even though you can’t see it yet.
Yep – we are about to hit an economic brick wall.
I remember reading about how Austria suffered incredible economic dislocation after WW1. The Lockdown Lunacy has created something similar in our national life.
People forget that Thomas Cook and Flybe went bust BC (Before Covid). We are broke and printing billions of worthless paper notes.
That was part of a manageable process. Thomas Cook were a bricks and mortar company trying to survive in the digital era, and Flybe were just beaten by the competition, The Lockdown Lunacy is the equivalent of dropping a few atom bombs around the country.
So we are not broke? just printing billions for a laugh?
The government would have been insolvent were it not for the Bank of England buying its debt.A clever way of printing money
The curtain twitchers will be besides themselves with glee. Love thy neighbour, eh?
I’ve got my eye on a potential covid cop over the road. A right nosey bastard.
The New Normal. Utter bollocks! To the Tower with him!
Matt Hancock: If you test negative you can enter the stadium and watch the football match, cinema, theatre. He said it today. Socia crediting. Arsehole!
What happens if you buy your ticket, spend £££ to get to the stadium, and then get told you test positive on the basis of a dodgy test? Does Hancock refund you personally for this bollocks?
So soon if you test positive you won’t be able to enter the workplace?
My great hope in this is that these people have left the shores of reality.They are promoting entirely unworkable schemes which are finally waking up the MSM and the masses
So our health minister has said that you will be excluded from events and venues, based on a health related test? Should we hang those that are selfish enough to get tested positive too, just as an example?
The first step on the road to vaccine passports.
So next it will be if you eat the right foods ( that is what we deem right, that is no meat or dairy products), don’t drink, don’t meet with undesirables ie with people whose sentiments we disagree with, and so on, as what is the norm for the great communist state of China. For goodness sake we have to end this now. The mad zero carbon thing before this was bad enough, but you still felt you had control, but between Cummings and Boris’ bint, who is a greenie, I think he is one of those inadequate men in history that is being disasterously led by a woman, and I say that as a female.
I always have this visual impression now of Johnson going home, playing with a train set or equivalent waiting for a mater figure to reassure him with a comfort blanket or hot milk toddy.
Why is a mere West Suffolk MP turned health minister allowed to run the country into an abyss.
Lockdown – what the fuck is it?
Breitbart suggests a facist coup has occured. Anyone disagree?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/10/boris-johnson-has-led-a-fascist-coup-against-the-united-kingdom/
The article begins:
“If that sounds like an exaggeration, just ask yourself how you’d have felt a year ago — or even six months ago — if you’d been told a British government was planning to institute a 10pm curfew, ban gatherings of more than six people, impose daily immunity tests before you were allowed to go about your business, employ Stasi-like volunteer ‘marshals’ to ensure public compliance and warning that it might even have to cancel Christmas?”… and continues at the link.
That’s a Coup. Serious things Coups.
I agree.
Not related to the idea of a coup but in passing I just happened on this article at Breitbart. The two V for vendetta masks, the only two, that were present at Holyrood. Not worn on head tgen put on face, always on face. A target for the cameras. Somehow struck me as not in the spirit of the day. But I don’t know.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/10/farage-predicts-people-will-break-draconian-restrictions-wholesale/
I said it felt like a coup a while back on here and was shouted down.When you list the loss of freedoms it is undeniable.The strange thing is the ‘left’ have been tarring anyone vaguely patriotic as a fascist for years:when the real thing happened in front of them they actually support it whole heartedly.
I do not disagree, I haven’t seen anything else but the bid for global control – even down to local and biological level. But I don’t stop there. Or rather I stop from emotional reaction to look more deeply at what is here.
People have been talking online a lot about when the shit hits the fan.
They didn’t expect their own mind would be used against them in such a way?
The fan has been stopped while new shit is being piled in front of it!
I’m not en ‘raptured’ by the narrative for end-times that vindicates self-specialness.
Thanks – but no thanks!
But I see an end-time as a Revealing of ourself to our self – that gives way to a true foundation by revealing a false as utterly false – and un-usable AS a foundation from which to think or do or be anything meaningful or true.
Stripped to such terms, this is not really a Choice, yet we don’t see the Choice, because we mind-frame in ‘choices’ that divert from and protect a false foundation – automatically – as our ‘normal’. The mind-framing or masking is being revealed to those with eyes to see.
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Speaking of brown shirts and hitler youth. A new scout badge is to be put into action. The badge for spotting fake news. Not a joke. Not fake news. Really true.
So Scouts a sneaky tip for you. Find TV set. Switch on. Turn to BBC. Call it. Badge won. You’re welcome.
The insidious side of the badge is the reframing education that will go along with it. All LSs will recognise the general good the scouting movement has done. First aid, team work, helping others, responsibility for self, etc. Of course this needs to be woke-wombled.
The BBC were lurving it…so you know it is dodgy. Not that the Scouts haven’t been extremely dodgy over the years.
The scouts are morphing into the Spies of 1984
Looks like Gove is scheming.
Telegraph reporting that Gove was pushing for “rule of 6” alongside Handy Cock. He really is a treacherous little toad. His Mrs had quite a sceptical piece in the Mail a few days ago but it appears he doesn’t listen to her.
I very much doubt that is the case. I suspect Cummings has spun that nonsense because he knows Gove is getting some traction with Tory MPs.
For goodness sake, this guy was salivating at the Greta alter last year, he is the last person, just replacing like with like. What goverment policy on the fake pandemic won’t achieve anything.that zero carbon admissions will, of which Gove is a bought in playerl
Thank you for the reminder. Yes – Gove’s fake adoration of the Green Goddess was unforgiveable. As was his thrusting the blade between BJ’s shoulder blades in 2016, giving us the three years of Mayhem.
As it is too late to edit, delete ‘anything that’ ..
Hmm I’m not sure it would make sense him doing that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRP6JUE56Dg
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