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Northern Lockdown Triggered by 14 Extra Cases. Or is it Five?

Matt Hancock receives the news from Chis Whitty: “14 extra cases you say? Right, let’s lock up four-and-a-half million people.”

Was the “surge” in cases in the North West that prompted the Government to impose a local lockdown on more than four million people due to 14 additional people testing positive? It certainly looks that way.

The ONS infection survey data showing that the number of infected people had risen from 0.05% of the population to 0.07% (still below the level of an epidemic), was based on just 59 people testing positive out of 116,026 swab tests over a six-week period. In the previous period, 45 people tested positive out of 114,674, which means the tipping point for a northern lockdown may have rested on only 14 extra positive tests. That’s well within the confidence interval so it’s perfectly possible that there’s been no increase at all and next week the numbers will fall.

If you compare the most recent week’s ONS data it shows 24 people testing positive out of 28,325, compared to 19 out of 31,542 the previous week. So a total increase of five.

Is this “the data” Matt Hancock referred to in his Twitter thread on Friday night when he announced the new restrictions?

No wonder some Tory MPs in “red wall” seats were furious when they heard the news. The Telegraph has more.

“They were furious. They were calling it an outrage. One of them was all over the place, screaming his head off,” said a Labour MP who witnessed the row unfold. “These are Tories who think Boris Johnson can do no wrong, and you could see the scales falling from their eyes.”

Sir Graham Brady, the Chairman of the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee and the MP for Altrincham and Sale West, said: “These new restrictions have been introduced over a large area, even though there are massive variations in infection rates. It is unfortunate that these restrictions were introduced so quickly and without consultation.”

Another senior Tory, with an affected northern seat, said: “I just think there remains a default position of extreme caution which jars with the reality that we may have to live with Covid for a very long time and we have to get on with life.”

To Open Schools We’ll Have to Close Pubs – Government Scientist

Peter Brookes’s cartoon in today’s Times

What fresh hell is this? In an interview on Radio 4’s Today programme this morning, Professor Graham Medley, a member of SAGE, said England would have to consider closing pubs in order to reopen schools next month. The Telegraph has more.

When asked about the Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty’s prediction that the country was “near the limits” of opening up society and “difficult trade-offs” will have to be made, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine academic told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think that’s quite possible.

“I think we’re in a situation whereby most people think that opening schools is a priority for the health and wellbeing of children and that when we do that we are going to reconnect lots of households.

“And so actually, closing some of the other networks, some of the other activities may well be required to enable us to open schools.

“It might come down to a question of which do you trade off against each other and then that’s a matter of prioritising, do we think pubs are more important than schools?”

But in the same Radio 4 interview, Professor Medley also said that the rise in infections in the past few weeks had mainly been among younger people.

“The age distribution of infections has changed, it has moved down into younger age groups and so it is likely we won’t see that increase in hospital admissions related to infection in the same way we did in March.”

In other words, the rise in infections – if indeed it’s happing at all – is nothing to worry about since young people are no more likely to die of COVID-19 than they are of seasonal flu. So, er, why do we have to close pubs if we want to re-open schools?

A reader has passed on a comment from a relative that may throw some light on why members of SAGE are prone to giving these alarmist, grand-standing interviews.

A close relative, a retired consultant surgeon, says that he knew several government health advisers during his career and that, with one exception, they were all “barking mad”. He also reckoned, from his experience, that members of government advisory committees like SAGE like to ramp up the bad news to maintain their own importance and because they thrived on publicity.

Meanwhile, Them For Us, the lobby group campaigning for schools to re-open, has helped organise a letter in the Telegraph signed by a coalition of academics and business leaders saying that schools should be classified alongside nuclear power plants to prevent them from being closed in a local lockdown. The Telegraph has more.

In a letter to the Prime Minister, the group argued that deeming schools as “critical national infrastructure” would help prevent them from being “unnecessarily” shut down where there is a regional rise in coronavirus cases.

“Widespread school lockdowns are an inappropriate response to local outbreaks and for the sake of our children and the broader economy, we ask that you now commit to keep schools open,” the letter said.

“Where a significant outbreak takes place within a school the only school to be the subject of a closure should be the one affected by the outbreak.”

No “Second Wave” in Sweden

Cases are continuing to fall in Sweden and Andres Tegnell, the country’s top epidemiologist, says Sweden has no intention of making face masks mandatory. The Sun has more.

Speaking to reporters in Stockholm on Tuesday, Tegnell said: “The curves go down, and the curves over the seriously ill begin to be very close to zero.

“As a whole, it is very positive.”

He also addressed the question of face masks, which the World Health Organisation continues to recommend people use when social distancing isn’t practicable.

“With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” he said.

Meanwhile, Raj Bhopal, emeritus Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh University, says it’s time to reconsider herd immunity as the only long-term solution to COVID-19. The Telegraph has more.

In a new article published in the journal Public Health in Practice, he argues that the COVID-19 pandemic has put ministers in a “zugwang” which is a position in chess where every move is disadvantageous and where every plan must be examined “however unpalatable” it might be.

Herd immunity is when enough people become resistant to a disease – through vaccination or previous exposure – that it can no longer significantly spread among the rest of the population.

With no vaccine available for COVID-19, herd immunity relies on enough people in the population becoming infected to lessen the impact of the disease.

Prof Bhopal argues that even if a vaccine is found it may not work well for older people and those with underlying health conditions.

The side-effects from a vaccine might also be worse for children and young people’s health than catching coronavirus in the first place.

“Herd immunity provokes hostility and controversy as it is usually interpreted as allowing the pandemic to unfold without interventions. The concept needs revisiting,” his paper says.

“If safe and effective vaccines and life-saving preventative and therapeutic medications are not found, lengthy lockdowns prove impossible, and the pandemic does not disappear spontaneously, population immunity is the only, long-term solution.”

Financial Analyst Concludes Lockdown Pointless

Greed is good. The lockdown? Not so much.

My financial journalist friend who has made many anonymous contributions to Lockdown Sceptics has flagged up the latest analysis by James Ferguson of MacroStrategy Partnership. Unfortunately, it’s not online, but here is the executive summary:

What have we done?

The UK has effectively monetised its entire Covid-19 fiscal response budget, with HMG Treasury gilt issuance almost exactly equalling the Bank of England’s (BoE) gilt purchases, with the June decision to add a further £100bn of QE to the £210bn already decided on in March signalling to the government that their relief budget to date will total 14% of GDP. The OECD expects the impact on 2020 UK GDP to be -11% (-14% if there’s a second wave) and government debt has soared to 115% of GDP.

One of the reasons for such an aggressive stance was the £14bn/month cost of the furlough (up to 80% of salary for 9.5m workers) but another was the need to protect the banks from excessive defaults. However, UK banks are in far better shape than they were on the eve of the GFC. They have more capital, more of it is loss-absorbing and with far fewer assets to buffer against.

Nevertheless, the negative consequences of the ill- informed decision to lock down have been huge and some might even prove permanent. What a shame therefore, that now the first wave has passed, we can see that the loss of life was no worse than the 2017-18 flu season and that the course of the disease appears no better than in Sweden, which has carried on near normal (the OECD expects 2020 GDP -6.7%).

Conclusion: the UK lockdown, with all its attendant miseries, appears to have been completely unnecessary.

Hospital Deaths in England Fall to Almost Zero

To hear Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson talk, you’d think the NHS is on the point of being completely overwhelmed, so great is the “surge” in cases in the North West. In fact, on four of the past seven days, NHS England has reported zero deaths occurring in English hospitals in the previous 24 hour period. The days were:

  • July 25th for the period 4pm July 23rd to 4pm July 24th
  • July 27th for the period 4pm July 25th to 4pm July 26th
  • July 28th for the period 4pm July 26th to 4pm July 27th
  • July 30th for the period 4pm July 28th to 4pm July 29th

Of course, NHS England revised these figures as more time elapsed, shoehorning in deaths that had occurred weeks earlier and adding them to the daily totals. But the number of deaths reported by English hospitals in the previous 24 hour period is still a valid metric. During the previous week, there were three days in which NHS England reported zero deaths in the last 24 hours, so it’s falling.

Birds Bakery Disgraces Itself Again

A missing apostrophe is the least of Birds Bakery’s sins

Birds Bakery is in the news again – and not in a good way. Two days ago I flagged up the story of a worker at the branch in Arnold who had refused to serve a 94 year-old woman because she only had cash. Now, the manager of the branch in Radcliffe-on-Trent has been sacked because she accepted cash payments. The BBC has the story.

A bakery manager who paid for customers’ purchases with her own card so they could use cash has been sacked.

Megan Metcalfe, 60, said she did it to help elderly shoppers at Birds Bakery in Radcliffe-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire, where she has worked for four decades.

She said she took about 45 payments totalling £183, but accepting cash was against the bakery’s coronavirus policies.

Her former employer said this was why, “with regret”, they had to fire her.

It’s a tragedy when any business goes bankrupt as a result of the lockdown. But Birds Bakery seems so hellbent on alienating its customers that perhaps it would be cruel not to grant the company its death wish.

Round-Up

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Forums Back Up and Running

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open. Initially, they became a spam magnet so we temporarily closed them. However, we’ve found a team of people wiling to serve as moderators so the Forums are back up and running. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (although it’s showing a delivery date of Sept 4th to 14th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here and an NHS exemption notice for just £2.99 from Etsy here (see above).

And don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

I interviewed Rob Henderson for the Quillette podcast on Friday. Rob is a graduate of Yale and a PhD student at Cambridge who’s written some great pieces for Quillette, including “Thorstein Veblen’s Theory of the Leisure Class—A Status Update“. In the interview, we discuss why it is that upper middle class white professionals have embraced the woke agenda with such enthusiasm.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

Latest LS news now online.

So much good stuff still to read here ……..

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
6 years ago

Following the earlier discussion about a pamphlet I have jotted down a few initial thoughts much more work to be done but you have to start somewhere. Having regard to the level of fear and apprehension in the general population I have tried to keep it gentle to avoid people immediately discarding it. Anyway the initial thoughts are below, please feel free to take this on board and develop it as you wish.

Covid 19 – another view

When the Covid 19 outbreak started in the UK measures were introduced aimed at flattening the curve, saving lives and protecting the NHS. Well Covid 19 certainly hit hard in the UK but now by August weekly total registered deaths are running below average, hospitals have a relatively low number of Covid cases and are doing fine and all the graphs have been flattened. So, by the criteria outlined by the Prime Minister in March we should by now be breathing a sigh of relief and getting back to normal. But that is not happening, why is that?

Testing;
Unlike previous flu outbreaks we are now testing for Covid 19 and unsurprisingly, following the widespread outbreak in the UK and rather… Read more »

DanClarke
DanClarke
6 years ago

Solved the Muzzle Puzzle The HSE site says that face masks do NOT provide a recognised CE mark and are NOT manufactured to a recognised standard, do NOT stop spray. SURGICAL MASKS should be worn for a limited time in a medical setting and are to a recognised standard and are resistant to droplets and spray.

mjr
mjr
6 years ago

SUNDAYS PAGE IS NOW HERE.. ALL ABOARD AND MIND THE GAP
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/08/02/latest-news-92/#comments

DanClarke
DanClarke
6 years ago
Reply to  mjr

The government only have themselves to blame, and it could almost be as if this is their aim.

Lockdown Truth
6 years ago

Hi all

Please let me know what you think of this idea.

The idea is to borrow from the Extinction Rebellion model and allow autonomous groups to come under one banner to help get traction with the public.

Thanks

thedarkhorse
thedarkhorse
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

I like the bird in cage logo…that’s very clever.
But why Twitter?? Surely don’t you think that Twitter will rapidly take the account down?
I know it’s got more circulation than Gab, but we all know by now that Twitter is ruthless.

DoesDimSyniad
DoesDimSyniad
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

I love that you have global aspirations. Melbourne sorely needs such a group, and I suspect plenty of places in the US, not to mention Canada and New Zealand do too.

Cruella
Cruella
6 years ago

I’ve just ventured out into the city for the first time to pick up some stuff. The mask wearing is widespread and the signs everywhere saying ‘wearing is caring’ have wound me up so much. The deception is making me furious, the stupidity, the conformity and the abuse of power represented by this behaviour is just too much. This’ll be the last time I try. If the High Street dies then they brought this on themselves by proffering no opposition.

Cruella
Cruella
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

What does that even mean? How do you save a life? It makes me so livid. These people’s idiotic compliance has actually lead to many many deaths, that is the sad truth. I know most people are stupid, uneducated morons,this is not news but before this I could choose to be something else, live a different way from the idiotic majority. Now I too must capitulate and do things I know to be ignorant, I have to be like them. I cannot be free to live as I choose and I cannot bear it.

HoMojo
HoMojo
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

Don’t drive. Every day save a life.

Sally Waters
6 years ago
Reply to  Cruella

I’ve also been into local town (SE England) this morning, also disappointed how many people are just going along with it – went to The Body Shop, 2 very sensible (maskless) ladies in there, said business was good initially but has dwindled since mask law introduced – I was the only customer in there. Also went to M&S & Superdrug, no issues but only 1 maskless lady at the self-service till in M&S with a small child. Walked back through town, lots of (maskless) people enjoying drinks/food at outside tables but many wearing them along the street, weaving in & out of those maskless – can people really not see the ridiculousness of this?

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Sunday View. The Richie Allen show. One hour of excellent comment taking apart the UK msm corona/covid19 propaganda.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-08-02T04_11_34-07_00

Wise thoughts about not becoming depressed by this. Warnings about where this is leading and not to expect others to do what each of us must. A really good hour of a radio show.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Useful to share onwards to any open minds that do watch BBC SKY etc and are starting to question.

Lockdown Truth
6 years ago

Hi all

Please let me know what you think of this idea.

The idea is to borrow from the Extinction Rebellion model and allow autonomous groups to come under one banner to help get traction with the public.

Thanks

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Hi Lockdown

The link is asking me to login to Wix

Lockdown Truth
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Sorry!

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

No need for apologies you are doing something positive.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Communication is very important. with the intention of being helpful can I suggest ‘allowing’ (sorry cannot italicise) would be better changed to ‘gathering’ under one banner. Pedantic perhaps but fundamentally important I believe.

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Maybe also some basic guidelines for what is under the banner?

Looking at the march / gathering in London yesterday it seemed to be protesting about various things, peodophilia, 5G, defund The BBC, cv19 etc.

I think we need to remain focus on freedom, those other subjects are important but dilute the core message.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Truth

Like it! Under the stats for an area’s cases, could you add something like ‘Currently you have a 1 in (insert how many) chance of catching Covid 19’. I’m thinking that with a certain proportion already having had the virus, chances of getting it will be even lower..

Mark
Mark
6 years ago

Republicans were ‘too soft on Facebook, Google’
To be absolutely clear – this is make or break for democracy in its current form. Democracy cannot function effectively by definition if people don’t have practicable and reasonably unbiased access to information, and reasonably unbiased opportunities for expressing and sharing opinions. When information was generally mediated anyway, via newspapers or broadcasters, at least people knew that was the case and could find ways round it. Now the giants actively misrepresent political opinion by suppressing dissenting opinions and information, whether it be racist, conservative or anti-coronapanic, while giving the illusion of direct access to information and opinion.

The blatant censorship of dissent over the coronapanic is highlighting a longstanding problem of manipulation of information by these tech giants and the gatekeepers of information in general.

Margaret
Margaret
6 years ago

Is there any mileage in asking shops and supermarkets to display the government’s list of exemptions at their entrances along with link to the site where cards can be printed off? They have signs for mask wearing but not for exemptions and not everyone can hear, or even wants to listen to, the tannoy announcements in supermarkets. I’ve found so many people don’t know they could be exempt.

I know that you can get the sunflower symbol at railway stations because we were told this weeks ago when we were asking about maskless travel. Think someone on here also said that Sainsbury’s were selling them too.

I think it would encourage more people to go shopping as, if the comments on the Daily Fail article on reduction in footfall posted here earlier are anything to go by, you would think that shops would be glad to do it. People are avoiding shops like the plague (sorry!)

skipper
skipper
6 years ago

Formula 1 driver who tested positive for COVID-19 says ‘I have no symptoms at all”
He says: “As you know I tested positive, I’m extremely sad, one of the saddest days of my career. It shows how vulnerable we are to the virus.

“After Hungary I took a private plane towards Mexico to see my mum for two days because she had a big accident and as soon as she left hospital I was able to see her. I then came back to Europe the same way, with all the protocols in place and I got it, I don’t know from where.

“I have no symptoms at all. I want to thank all the fellow drivers.”

Could this be yet another nosocomial infection? Once again no symptoms, this tends to suggest if you’ve a strong immune system then it isn’t any problem.

IMoz
IMoz
6 years ago
Reply to  skipper

or a false positve

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  IMoz

I believe they’re being tested daily, and he had at least two that came back positive before being confirmed.

IMoz
IMoz
6 years ago
Reply to  skipper

But tested how, qPCR, IgM, or IgG? For some strange reason there’s a buch of events when qPCR and IgM come back negative but IgG comes back positive

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  IMoz

It’s PCR testing

IMoz
IMoz
6 years ago
Reply to  skipper

That’s a whole can of worms with cycle threasholds, primers (are they using N1, N2 and E? or are they just relying on IP2/IP4?), this whole qPCR “diagnosis” is just stupid

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago
Reply to  IMoz

… Or just random bits of RNA floating around.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

A critique on the recent study of children in Georgia becoming infected with SARS-COV-2. My take is that if children can get infected but tend to be asymptomatic and there is little/no evidence that they transmit to others then it also adds weight to the argument that asymptomatics don’t spread the virus.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1289828547721220097

No conclusion whatsoever can be reached about children and teenagers’ infectiousness. The data is compatible with no child/teenager having infected anyone (i.e. all having been infected by adult staff), or children being equally infective as adults, and anything in between.

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

People have been so spooked by the state-sanctioned Project Fear that they believe TENS OF MILLIONS have died from Covid-19
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/496796-project-fear-covid-pandemic/ //:0

And another good one

wendyk
wendyk
6 years ago

https://www.rt.com/uk/496857-coronavirus-lockdowns-riots-uk/

Interesting piece on RT.

Apologies if already posted.

Jane in France
Jane in France
6 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Read today in The National. “The scenes of people flocking to the beach in Portobello on Friday, on one of the hottest days of the year, was again a cause for concern following a similar deluge of people there earlier in the summer.
And police had to be called to the Edinburgh city beach after reports of around 100 teenagers arriving off a train and congregating in the area.”
OMG, children having fun on a beach and teenagers getting off a train – the end is nigh.

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago
Reply to  Jane in France

…. it was so dangerous that infection rates shrank to NOTHING afterwards!

Give me f.ing strength.

hotrod
hotrod
6 years ago

So Boris told us for have a staycation.

But MSM headlines panicking yet again about everyone going to the beach.

So what exactly was the “staycation” supposed to be for?

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  hotrod

There is no logic to any of his pronouncements!

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Or to those of the MSM, which is logical, as they have become mere propaganda outlets for him.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
6 years ago
Reply to  hotrod

I think he means a stay in your house with a mask on cation

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago

There is a bit of an elephant in the room here regarding BCG vaccination and its likely beneficial effect on immune systems for respiratory diseases.

‘The current evidence about BCG vaccination and prevention of acute respiratory infections is of high quality’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/does-bcg-vaccination-protect-against-acute-respiratory-infections-and-covid-19-a-rapid-review-of-current-evidence/

Migrants may very well not have had BCG vaccination, or any other.

‘…..some subgroups of migrants, including refugees, asylum seekers, and irregular migrants are particularly vulnerable to infectious diseases and may have worse health outcomes than the host population. In a number of EU/EEA Member States, subgroups of migrant populations are disproportionately affected by infectious diseases such as tuberculosis, HIV, and hepatitis B and C.’

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Public%20health%20guidance%20on%20screening%20and%20vaccination%20of%20migrants%20in%20the%20EU%20EEA.pdf

That, I guess, is why BCG trials are concentrating on health workers.

‘Randomised controlled trials are underway in the Netherlands and Australia to assess whether BCG-Danish reduces the incidence and severity of COVID-19 in health-care workers….’

Lancet 30 April

Covid 19 is clearly a major threat to those without BCG vaccination.

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

And to those WITH flu vaccinations…

Darryl
Darryl
6 years ago

Well done to any of the Lockdown Sceptics who attended the London anti lockdown protest yesterday – marching down Oxford Street in the road shows we have grown in numbers – much bigger and noisier than 2 weeks ago. Absolutely no media coverage in todays papers unsurprisingly. Film of the event at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncQRUu56np8. Event at Brighton seafront next week, let’s get the governments attention!

J.J.
J.J.
6 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Interesting the way a BLM/Antifa march took place on the same day – which has received high profile media coverage. The “conservative” Daily Jail is bigging them up again today.
It’s much like the way Extinction Rebellion took over London when Brexit was postponed.

Darryl
Darryl
6 years ago
Reply to  J.J.

The Sunday Times had a piece about the Brixton BLM reparations march but nothing about our protest. The Times has really become a mouthpiece for the establishment over the last few months no alternative views are allowed – very disappointed.

Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
6 years ago

Anyway, let’s have some good news for a change! Tomorrow sees the launch of Dishy Rishi’s brilliant new

We Scared You So Much We’ve Had to Bribe You To Eat Out To Combat Obesity But If You Live In The North West Don’t Socialise While You Do It To Help Out

scheme. Hurrah!

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

I’ve been waiting years for half price McDonalds without having to use a voucher from the backside of a bus ticket.

A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
6 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

But Only Do It Until September When We Will Close Everything Down Again Because You All Went To Eat Out And Spread The VIrus…

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
6 years ago

Panic over. This site back up on Safari. It just goes to show what a state this government has created. A couple of months ago I would have laughed myself out of court for even thinking such a thing. Then I heard one of those government ‘don’t listen to them spreading false rumours’ propaganda advert on Talk Radio – and went for it!

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
6 years ago

Safari appears to have taken down this website and Going_Postal. Other sites ok. Is this the start?

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago

Which site do you mean?

James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Lockdownsceptics. Probably just me. Ok on DuckDuck

anon
anon
6 years ago

safari block websites? wow

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

Perhaps the Sage group has read this from Luxembourg?
https://t.co/nL6XKi9CBv?amp=1A
A report from 19th July saying that the second wave is coming with disastrous consequences.Looking today at Worldometer hasn’t reached the estimated 9000 case, cases increasing a few deaths but they had the caveat in the article  that it might be clusters and not community transmission.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Don’t we get to see the SAGE minutes now, thanks to Simon Dolan? Mind you, didn’t they just then start a different committee, whose notes we can’t see?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

They are indexed, referenced and searchable on Law or Fiction I think.

profund chap
profund chap
6 years ago

Report from local supermarket in London

I was the only non masked person that I saw however visit was brief. Parents even sticking masks on kids under 5.
Girl (masked) on door gave me a big welcome and a big goodbye & have a nice day. Guessing they know the rules regarding discrimination hence smiles all round. Only a couple of dirty looks from fellow shoppers but one of these was because I had mistakenly jumped the queue.
Overall very depressing to see society masked this way.

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
6 years ago
Reply to  profund chap

I have an urge to p*ke, whenever I see one of the sheep wearing a mask OUTSIDE.
Which means, that, unfortunately, this is now a constant state for me.
Which, on the bright side, should make and keep me exempt from wearing them.

IanE
IanE
6 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

True, maskurbation has caught on, big time!

Michael C
Michael C
6 years ago
Reply to  profund chap

Another pleasant day here in SW London. A reasonably busy Wandsworth Common but still no queues for the Sainsburys Local; people are away on holiday admittedly but certainly two weeks ago there would have been a queue of 12 to 15 people. Also popped into a local Co-op, two people in the queue outside but there were a handful of people inside and no one on the door so the two waiting people had only themselves to blame for not getting into the store!!

Chicot
Chicot
6 years ago
Reply to  profund chap

I went to Tescos today and encouragingly saw about 10 non-muzzled. Still vastly outnumbered but a lot more than I saw a few days ago. Also, virtually everyone was putting it on just before entrance and taking it off as soon as they got out.

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

Science is ever changing and we should be prepared to change as new evidence comes to light:

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
6 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Since March, ‘science’ has been abolished in place of religion.
We are back to when and where Galilei burst on the scene.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/coronavirus-centre-allocates-4-24-crore-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to-states-and-union-territories-2270871
“Indian immensity… India releases 42 millions pills of hydroxychloroquine. If 3m healthcare workers need 2 pills a week on prophylaxis, it leaves room for 1.8 million 10-pill treatments. Enough for 24 days of new cases with the current exponential growth.”
Don’t tell BBC. It is a discredited treatment

Paul
Paul
6 years ago

At my surgery the GPs will only consult with you over the phone,not face to face,but for a six month medication review I’ve got to have a face to face with the pharmacist there because she doesn’t do it over the phone !,even when I point out the ridiculousness of this they can’t see it.
Also my consultant at the hospital reviews the meds every six months so I don’t think the surgery needs to but they disagree,the wonderful NHS at it’s best.

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I’ve posted down thread, but do you know what the actual legal obligations on healthcare providers are? The Corona Virus Act was revoked almost in full on 4th July and replaced with a very pared down part 2. I have a feeling they are bound by PSED and risk assessments and all the rest, and are actually just making this shit up. Also like schools, I suspect when HandJob says that all face to face apts are suspended and it’s remote care, then that is just guidance and not law. GP refusing to see my elderly dad, I am now on a mission to make those people ‘first do no harm’. If the law doesn’t require them to suspend care, then I am determined they will provide it. I’ve also posted in the Forum on this topic, I think we all need to start writing fact checked letters, and get these idiots doing their jobs. I’ve decided I’m not powerless, and to stave off depression, I’m going to do what I can to make these people apply the actual rules and not the guidance.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Is there anything on the laworfiction site?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

No, I’ve emailed them, nothing back. This seems crucial to me, if we can get clear on what the actual requirements are, then it’s fairly straight forward to make them implement it. I’ve been here before with local authorities on transgender guidance, partic in schools, you’d be shocked (or maybe not) on the tripe they implement that is legally non compliant, not risk assessed and not in line with PSED. One terrifying letter is usually all it takes to sufficiently scare them. I know we are the minority, but women on trans were the minority and we’ve managed to get them to not change the GRA, change the rules on transing kids, sort out the schools guidance, and a clarification of the equality act rules on single sex spaces was imminent (and if you think lockdown sceptics are hated, try being a ‘terf’ – see JK Rowling!!). If a small bunch of knackered middle aged women can turn that around, then we can for sure sort this out, with a bit of clarity and planning.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

Maybe try Robin Tilbrook, whose contact details are usually at the bottom of all Toby’s posts. Or Francis Hoar?

On the subject of lawyers, has anyone heard how Jolyon Maugham’s case is going, the one against the government for giving PPE contracts to their mates and not putting them out to tender?

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

‘We are now accepting new NHS complaints and progressing existing ones.’

https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

If the GP, and others in the NHS are refusing to provide proper care to their patients, why are we paying for it.

Rick
Rick
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT

I posted a few days ago re my appointment at hospital. You need to ask for their clinical risk assessment.Ask if this is an approved treatment pathway. mention you will seek a legal opinion. Also ask if the Dr or whoever you need to see is trained in remote medicine for this condition. My consultation went from telephone to face to face overnight. ask difficult questions and get responses in writing.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago

Professor Graham Medley, a member of SAGE,

<< Updates list … >>

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

This is an almost grotesque article from 15th June, a world wide study, showing how effective mask wearing is in the world.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.22.20109231v3.full.pdf
It is only worth reading page 7-9 you can see all countries and when mandate masks were introduced. The most hilarious is the graph  Mortality May 9th and see how much deaths have increased in non-mask countries. The problem is now that anyone can pick masses of countries included in the study which has now an alarming increase of cases and deaths whether in Chile, Colombia and Philippines.(I couldn’t find Argentina’s mask mandate but another spectacular failure).An extra ordinary paper. And this is the basis for the decision? Difficult to find any paper which has aged so rapidly

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Another link to add to our campaign leaflet!

IMoz
IMoz
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

just be careful with medrxiv, it’s paid for by Facebook’s Zuckerberg’s The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative

PowerCorrupts
PowerCorrupts
6 years ago

IMPORTANT: PETITION TO SIGN : Break up big tech to stop censorship of facts & opinions they don’t want seen, as happened to Frontline Doctors demanding use of HCQ banned off Facebook, Twitter, youtube:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lifesite-petition-encouraging-break-up-of-big-tech-goes-viral?utm_source=NS_TP3_BreakUpBigTech

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago

Interesting observation article in ‘OffGuardian’

It highlights a singular spike in mortality in England for younger age-groups that is no observable in other countries (Euromomo).

I have been meaning to do more detailed age-related analysis for some time since I looked at the non-event that was Covid mortality in the longer time-frame. But, you can only devote so much time up close to idiocy.

But the article does highlight an interesting anomaly that isn’t susceptible to any simple explanation – unless it’s to do with a concentration in London.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

Maybe if you just remove hospitalised patients from hospital at less than 24 hours notice……

‘To do this we need to organise the safe and rapid discharge of those people who no longer need to be in a hospital bed. The new default will be discharge home today.’

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/hmg-letter-hospital-discharge-guidance-v3.pdf

Just a thought…..safe and rapid may not work too well together……..?

BecJT
BecJT
6 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Tom do you know what the rules are on care provision more generally and in particular GPs ie) what’s law and what’s guidance? My GP practice has shut its doors, it’s zoom, phone or nothing, and even then it’s like trying to get into Fort Knox. I think they are not actually implementing law but guidance? Any idea of where I’d find out?

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
6 years ago
Reply to  BecJT
Jane in France
Jane in France
6 years ago
Reply to  Rick H

I think Malcolm Kendrick also mentioned this spike in mortality in England for younger age groups.

HelzBelz
HelzBelz
6 years ago

Oh fellow sceptics – I feel like the lone voice of sanity amongst all of my friends and even my OH. Some of my friends are clever, well educated, have amazing jobs. But trying to even have a discussion with them about the whole Covid fiasco – they either shut you down or they revert straight to the narrative about how awful Covid is, how many people have died, people who get it may never recover and the second spike is on the way. When pointing out the actual low hospitalisation / death rates currently, I’m either told that I’m just wrong or they don’t believe me. Is is just us? We are a minority after all. Are we falling for false propaganda? I read that excellent facts about Covid on the Swiss Policy Research website – it all makes so much sense to me. But then I see that Wikipedia states that SPR is “Based on its largely conspiratorial contents and its cherry picking of questionable scientific studies, it has been categorised by some as an anti-establishment propaganda site. Sometimes think I am just going mad!

Harry Hopkins
Harry Hopkins
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Swiss policy research references and identifies all its facts and figures. It is a genuine and bona fide site for those who wish to educate themselves. Of course Wikipedia and much else besides will want you to believe it is anti establishment—-anything, repeat anything, that questions the establishment’s narrative is condemned as conspiratorial. Branding something as conspiratorial is the first line of defence to discredit rational and justified opposition to government propaganda. Don’t fall for it for a second.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Wikipedia states that SPR is “Based on its largely conspiratorial contents and its cherry picking of questionable scientific studies, it has been categorised by some as an anti-establishment propaganda site. Sometimes think I am just going mad!

You’re not, HB. John states that Wikipedia has long since been a worthless info source for anything vaguely controversial – politics, medicine, climate change, etc.

Good for highest mountain, longest river type info. 🙂

Rick H
Rick H
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

In the words of Tom Waits : ‘Hold on’.

It’s f.ing difficult at times living in an asylum run by totally insane idiots. But it has to be done.

The Wikipedia article is obviously a plant. Nothing on the SPR site is half as barmy as the shite coming out of Government and SAGE. It is simply a repository of links to the research that you won’t get in the MSM. Anyone with a brain and a bit of technical nous can assess the stuff for themselves, rather being fed second-hand pap by the MSM.

The devil is always in the data – and that’s the way to keep your balance : just do the real ‘science’ (i.e. rational critical enquiry) yourself. That’s what has shaped my perspective – the official nonsense just doesn’t stand up to analysis – it easily falls apart. But you have to do the examination.

I certainly identify with your dismay, having just been on the ‘phone to a close family member with a fellowship in a scientific subject at a major university.

We argue on the same basis of a knowledge of scientific method, actual data, probability and statistics. He accepts that the government… Read more »

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

I quoted the swprs site in a FB group and someone told me that it was rubbish because Wikipedia said so? I just laughed to myself – wiki can be edited by anyone so you cannot rely on what they say…

Albie
Albie
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Carrie, ask the fb group where the spike they were all promising us after Bournemouth in June went.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Have done! But I am now contenting myself with posting Sweden’s ever-decreasing hospital stats twice a week – they can’t really be argued with, especially as I’m posting in a group for Brits here in Sweden. Bizarrely they all seem to be still in fear and wanting masks brought it here – I have to resist the temptation to suggest that maybe they should all return to the UK if they are not happy with life over here with Tegnell in charge..!

Albie
Albie
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

I completely identify with what you say! It feels as if everything I have known and thought is now wrong somehow, with regards to intelligent friends and acquaintances. I wouldn’t say it’s a feeling of betrayal, it feels odd though, it’s like their minds have been taken over. A sci fi plot where every character bar one have their minds taken over, and the viewers are rooting for him or her to get everyone else’s minds back to normal. We are that “one” in our own individual real life plots

HelzBelz
HelzBelz
6 years ago
Reply to  Albie

That is exactly how it feels. How did we sceptics manage to avoid being taken over?

Albie
Albie
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Maybe the mind works in a similar way to brainwashing as it does to hypnosis? Not everyone can be hypnotised.

Lms2
Lms2
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

We’ve spent more time paying attention, looking at the actual data, and or have developed a deep mistrust of anything the media and government tell us. They’ve lied too many times to be trusted on anything any more.
Plus: too little of what we’ve been officially told makes sense. When we’re expected to add two and two and we’ve been told the answer is seven, we tend not to take the information at face value.

Mark
Mark
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

“it has been categorised by some as an anti-establishment propaganda site“

Well, in fairness since the modern establishment is at the heart of our problems, it seems legit to be anti-establishment at the moment.

More important is whether it is truthful or not, and it seems much better in that regard atm than the BBC, Guardian and other establishment sources.

PEKaiser
PEKaiser
6 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

I am growing more despondent by the day. I was talking to my brother a few days ago and was ho humming about not being able to travel to Georgia for the Masters in November. He has some sort of PhD and said “a vaccine may well be ready by then so you’d be safe to travel and fans will be allowed on site.”
I just went silent and said it won’t be worth the hassle while my brain was screaming I’M NOT TAKING AN EFFIN VACCINE!!
I don’t bother trying to stir people from their suspension of logic and covid-coma, and it’s evident we are a tiny minority opposing this fiasco. Stay strong friends!

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago
Reply to  PEKaiser

I wonder what people think the vaccine will actually do. It’s unlikely to eradicate the virus and people will likely still die in numbers similar to the flu.

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