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Could This be Boris’s Poll Tax Moment?

Good comment from Scotty below yesterday’s update. I wonder if he’s right?

I feel slightly more optimistic about the mandatory muzzle edict after having a day to digest the news. Something is telling me that as this ramshackle shitshow of a Government lurches from one idiosyncratic, trigger-happy ruling to the next, a great fire of utter resentment for them will start to burn across our land.

From bizarre quarantine orders to the locking down of Leicester, to the continued assault on the high street and small businesses by this dehumanising, rotten command to suffocate on our own exhalations as we traipse around these places. Add to that the inevitable nastiness that is already present on the likes of Twitter, but will invariably spill out into wider society as we enter a new shaming culture perpetrated by hysterical muzzealots.

Your average punter will become very pissed off with it all, very quickly I’ll bet.

I feel this will gradually precipitate a trickle of scepticism towards these oppressive measures within the general public, and the flock will start to slowly thin. People previously cowed into silence may soon find their voices. Organised “boots on the ground” protests and crowd-funding appeals for legal challenges may suddenly see their numbers and coffers swelled respectively. Those suffering from mental health and anxiety issues may find solace within boards like these, growing our community. Growing our influence.

Boris et al are continually poking the bear, stress-testing the nation to see just what else they can take from us, or force us to do in order to serve their warped New Abnormal agenda. With each new diktat, with every further assault on our civil liberties, they are collectively sticking their heads into the mouth of a crocodile.

It’s only a matter of time before we hear a satisfying “snap.”

Tesco, JD Sports and Lidl have all announced they won’t enforce the new edict. The police have basically said the same. Beginning to look like Boris has over-reached…

One reader emailed me a well-crafted expression of rage: “Do you know how to tell if a politician is lying? Answer: their lips move when they speak. That’s probably why they love masks so much.”

And if masks-in-shops doesn’t push people over the edge, this surely will:

Bonfire of Conservative Party Membership Cards

Take that, Boris

Poppy in the comments has announced that the face nappy edict has prompted her to rip up her Conservative Party membership card – and she’s not the only one, according to the Independent. I know how she feels.

I finally cancelled my Conservative party membership, along with a strongly-worded email to CCHQ. Feel sorry for the poor sod who will have to read it who likely doesn’t care but I sincerely hope that CCHQ is getting quite a few of these emails and it will create an overall mood that the party is starting to haemorrhage its support. That’s the one place we can really hurt them – at the ballot box.

It was the mandatory masks which was the final straw. I tried to hold on as long as possible because I know I’m an asset to the party (early twenties, female) but every time I opened my wallet and saw my membership card, I actually felt a sense of shame that I was supporting a government that has perpetuated such a monstrous fraud on the British people and who are Conservative in name only (CINO). They are a government which no longer align with my principles, what with enormous public spending and some of the most draconian laws ever enacted in peacetime. Enough is enough.

For some readers, it’s not just membership cards that will be torn up as a result of this policy.

The latest news regarding face masks is as you imply, arguably impossible to accept. Face nappies for all. I am now planning to sell up and move to Alderney in the coming months because I cannot believe what has happened to the spirit of this once great nation. Even quite recently we were characterised by “Keep calm and carry on”. All we stand for now is abject fear, pathetic bed-wetting anxiety and a supine willingness to accept loss after loss of personal liberty. Even as the virus disappears!

I am now ashamed of my British passport. I would swap it for a Swedish version in a heartbeat.

UK Government Guide to Arts and Crafts

There’s some helpful advice on the UK Government website about how to make a face mask. No, I’m not making this up.

Looking forward to the follow-up: How to make a tinfoil hat.

Burkhas Optional, Face Masks Mandatory

A reader has sent me a brilliant piece of satire: it’s a slight adjustment to Boris’s famous Telegraph article from two years ago on why he didn’t think the Burkha should be banned. It’s exactly the sort of piece he would have written about face muzzles if he was still a humble Telegraph columnist and not Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Here’s a taster:

If you tell me that masks are oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that they are weird and bullying to expect folk to cover their faces, then I totally agree.

So I was a bit surprised to see that on 24th July the UK Government joined no other European countries (except for Scotalnd) – in imposing a ban on not wearing masks in shops, on public transport and maybe in Offices too – those items of headgear that obscure the face. Already a fine of £100 has been made law. Arguments have broken out over mask wearing. Opinion is divided and there will be demonstrations, on both sides of the argument. What has happened, you may ask, to the UK spirit of live and let live?

If you tell me that the Mask is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect human beings to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice. I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like they have nappies glued to their faces; and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any government to encourage such demonstrations of “virtue” and “fear”.

I am against a law requiring the mask to be worn because it is inevitably construed – rightly or wrongly – as being intended to make some point about fear.

I’ve given it a permanent slot on the right-hand side in the section entitled: “Masks: How Effective Are They?”

Worth reading in full.

Responses to Mad Woman on the Train

Dame Edith Evans as Lady Bracknell

Yesterday, I announced a competition. It was in response to this email from a reader:

I’ve just received a stern telling off for not wearing a mask on the tube by a crazy masked lady with a posh voice telling me she’s lost six (I tell you six!) family members to the “virus”. I must admit I was left a bit lost for words but obviously still mask free. What should my response have been?!

The best suggestions I’ve received are:

“Would you like to join them?”

“I’m so sorry for your losses – let me give you a hug”

“Come any closer, and you’ll have lost seven!”

“Lucky them!”

“Did they die of Covid or with Covid?”

“To lose one family member to Covid may be considered unfortunate. To lose six smacks of carelessness.”

“It’s called natural selection. Deal with it.”

“Are you sure they’re not just hiding from you?”

“And the crazy coincidences don’t stop there. I’m with the Guinness Book of World Records. How can we contact you?”

“Good Lord, what’s the name of the family doctor? Shipman?”

“Don’t worry; they’re not really lost, you just don’t recognise them behind their masks.”

And the winner is:

“I am so sorry to hear that you have lost so many family members to this virus, you have been incredibly unlucky. I am a person in the vulnerable category, however, with COPD, who has just come out of a 12 week quarantine and very unlikely to have a virus to pass on. Moreover, the Government has said that people like myself are exempt from wearing masks and, as they restrict breathing and reduce the oxygen to the lungs, it would certainly not be a good idea for me to be wearing one. In any case, I have had enough of solitary confinement and want to get a life. So I choose to take the risk!”

Well done to Martin Martinez.

A Dentist’s Stepfather Writes

Is it safe… to go to the dentist?

Interesting email from a reader about the horrendous conditions dentists are being forced to work in:

My stepdaughter is a dental nurse. In March their surgery was closed but she stayed on during lockdown to cancel all appointments and field phone calls, although the most help she could offer was to refer patients to a “Dental Hub” who could do nothing useful except extract a molar or hand out antibiotics.

A couple of weeks ago they opened with all the ridiculous requirements including wearing medical quality masks. They had training to use these which included a testing helmet that looked as if they were headed for another planet (but aren’t we all)!

Last week she had a nasty bout of bacterial tonsillitis (probably bacterial because it responded immediately to antibiotics) and was in bed for one day and off for three (for which she gets no pay – with three kids to support).

My guess, but a logical guess, is that the well fitted mask caused this bacteria to fester and make her ill. Who knows what other ill effects these things can induce. It certainly didn’t “protect” her in any way.

Postcard From Leicester

A reader from inside the plague-ridden city of Leicester has got in touch.

Greetings from Leper City – the new European pariah. Much rumour and nonsense with the police here being very sensible for the most part and not doing anything particularly intrusive. I have yet to see any checks – just a few random signs noting that it is essential travel only. I have moved daily from the city to the county without any problems.

But the lockdown has clobbered local businesses – many bought stock etc ready to re-open, many were teetering on the edge and have now fallen flat. And all because of a rise in positive tests from the city. The BMJ had an interesting piece arguing against local lockdowns.

Most in the city think the lockdown was a political gesture to show a strong decisive Government taking action. It was based on rising numbers of positive tests results (not on hospitalisations or deaths – there has been no increase in either). The reason for the rise in positive test results? Simple – lots more tests were done in the city. There is no spike – we are simply finding people with the virus who are otherwise fit and well.

More on the Academy of Medical Sciences Report

A reader has been taking a closer look at report published on Tuesday showing 119,000 people will die from COVID-19 in hospitals this winter unless we… blah, blah, blah:

Have you noticed in the AMS Report of July 14th that on p.36 it specifically recommends the provision of “alternative accommodation” (among other facilities), which it makes clear would be ideally targeted at “socio-economically disadvantaged communities, including some BAME communities who are more likely to live in multi-generational households”.

How would that work? Where does the alternative accommodation come from? What would it be? Some nice empty flats? Or maybe a disused army camp? How do you get people to move out of their homes? The implication is that multi-generation households will be split up if the AMS experts (listed on four pages!) have their way.

In the next few lines comes the recommendation that ‘supporting people to enable them to comply with Covid-19 advice and guidance’ be laid on. “Supporting” and “comply” – if ever a pair of words had an ominous tone it was them.

On the face of it the passage has a reasonable and pragmatic tone to it. But as I read them I felt a chill down my spine. Is it possible, just possible, that here we have the first traces of how a sector of our population might be selected for relocation to ‘alternative accommodation’ in the interests of the welfare of the state? Is it just me or does that have echoes of trucks at night, boots on cobblestones and knocks on the door? Would it, like face masks, be “obligatory”?

I’m not suggesting for one moment our liberal-minded government of luminaries and visionaries would ever dream of such a thing, but I really do wonder why some of our scientists don’t have the wit to listen to themselves sometimes. The path to totalitarianism isn’t one that falls over a precipice but is instead a gentle and easy slide downhill conducted obliviously by people who have convinced themselves they are the embodiment of moral rectitude.

Incidentally, the Report uses the word “surveillance” SEVENTY times.

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” George Orwell, 1984

Or even better

“Sanity is not statistical.” (Also Orwell)

Better Safe Than Sorry

Amusing email from Trevor Parker, a reader in Welwyn Garden City:

Don’t forget to put your mask on though if you’re heading to the shops!

I’m taking no chances though. I’m also carrying an umbrella.

And wearing a snorkel and lifejacket (I can’t swim and we haven’t had a flood here in Welwyn Garden City since….well, ever….but you can’t be too safe, now can you?)

Also I have (in the name of safety) erected a mosquito net around my bed.

And I am carrying a maritime grade fog horn around the supermarket with me from next Friday onwards, which I will be sounding at 20 second intervals, just in case there are any ships nearby and it might possibly be foggy, here, 50 odd miles from the sea. But better to be safe than sorry, eh?

And I’m going to make sure from next Friday that my car will have it’s snow chains on. It’ll protect me from losing control in the snow and ice, and it’ll protect others from me by stopping me sliding into them.

And these are all in the name of safety of course, and I expect I will just have to carry on doing them until a vaccine is found for SARS-CoV-2, which at the soonest will probably be mid-winter some time (of course, many months after there have been any cases reported).

NHS England Reports Zero Deaths From Covid for July 13th – 14th

On Monday I predicted that the day would come this week when NHS England reported zero deaths from COVID-19 and that day has arrived. The data released yesterday for new deaths by NHS England is showing a total of 22, with the oldest death being reported from Royal Surrey County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust on April 27th. There are zero deaths reported for the last 24 hours (or at least, specifically, for the period 4pm 13 July 2020 – 4pm 14 July 2020).

But don’t forget to mask-up.

A Paramedic Writes

Depressing email from a paramedic. I’ve verified his identity.

I work for an out-of-hours service in the south of the UK. We receive cases from 111 and then ring patients to discuss their problems and then either give advice over the phone, send them to a clinic to be seen in person or, if elderly or infirm, send a car to see them at home. One of the services we provide is recognising death, allowing bodies to be taken away to funeral homes before the GP fills in the death certificate.

I cannot give exact details to maintain the family’s privacy but I was recently called to a lady who had died of cancer at seventy-two. Her husband seemed particularly unsettled so after I had seen her and filled out the paperwork we sat down across from one another at the dining-room table. I took off my mask so we could speak freely and asked him what was nagging at him.

The husband said he wanted his wife’s death to be recorded as from cancer and not Covid as his wife had been due to receive immunotherapy when the lockdown began but she had been told, flat, that her treatment was to be postponed indefinitely. A senior medic personally rang her and told her that he had been instructed not to continue treatment of his patients and that nothing could be done, even the oncology unit waiting-room had been turned into a makeshift Covid ward: there would be phone calls every six weeks or so to see how she was. In the second of these phone calls two months later she was told that immunotherapy was available up in London “but that is was probably too late”. She was dead within weeks.

I’ve had to sit at a lot of families’ dining-room tables over the years to give bad news, previously on ambulances in London and now in a civilian car, at all times of day and night. Some have remained with me and others not but never before have I had to try and explain how an entire system has failed. Everyone understands that eventually the human being degrades and dies, that terrible accidents can happen, that there are too few ambulances for everyone but this is the first time that I’ve had a patient’s relative question the entire system.

My having to sit across from a man who simply cannot understand how in a just society treatment can just be turned off by fiat from some manager in an office somewhere isn’t the most terrible thing that has happened in the past few months. However, for the rest of this man’s life he will wonder how entire wards filled with staff, equipment and medication can just be binned at only the prospect of deaths rather than with hard evidence, that known illnesses can be superseded by the potential of others, based solely on modelling.

Dick Delingpole’s Shop

Listeners to London Calling, my weekly podcast with James Delingpole, will have heard us talking about the merch store set up by James’s brother Dick. It sells an array of sceptical products, including the above mug. You can access the shop here.

While you wait for you cup to arrive you can sign this petition.

Don’t Want to Wear a Mask? Problem solved

These handy lanyards are available from Amazon for the very reasonable price of £4.95. Purchase here.

Round-Up

And on to the round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:

Theme Tune Suggestions By Readers

Just one today: “Faith No More – Everything’s Ruined” by RHINO.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A few weeks ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you. Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

Remember, there are some business that are still not allowed to re-open. Got this depressing email from a reader:

I have a family run nightclub that’s been closed now for nearly four months with no income coming in the overheads and insurance on the building and other costs that I can’t cancel are mounting up.

We must be one of the only sectors that are still ordered to remain closed but with no extra financial support. I would appreciate it if you could do a section for businesses that still remain closed to highlight my plight.

Now I read face masks could stay until next summer which is a nightmare for my business and is absolutely ridiculous. I despair.

Note to the Good Folks Below the Line

I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.

I know it becomes difficult to navigate the comment threads after 24 hours. One alternative to continuing to post below my updates is to move to the forum on Lockdown Truth. The creator of that site has extended a warm welcome to everyone here (and he’s launching a crowdfunder to mount a legal challenge against the face mask edict which you can read about here).

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

If you want a laugh, this YouTube video is very funny. Definitely worth clicking on.

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Ian Rons
Editor
6 years ago

FYI, good folks, we’ve added some forums to the site, as you’ll see in the top menu. We’ll see how it goes but it’ll hopefully be a little less tangled and messy than navigating the comments here. The topic for this Latest News post is here: https://dailysceptic.org/forums/topic/16th-july-2020/

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

Brilliant, thanks very much for doing this Ian!

Poppy
Poppy
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

Forgive me for the dumb question, do we need an account/login of some sort to use this forum?

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

Yes, it looks like it

Cbird
Cbird
6 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

I just logged in with my LDS password

Ambwozere
Ambwozere
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

Thanks Ian, hopefully will make life easier

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

Cool I will be there once I get back to me desktop

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Ian Rons

In theory, it sounds like a good idea to have discrete forums but not so sure about in practice. Essentially there is one theme here: is scepticism towards the official narrative on the response to Covid justified or not? It’s a rapidly changing scene each day as new evidence comes in and as the official line changes. Everything is intimately interconnected eg how T cells work affects one’s view of the herd immunity thesis which in turn affects one’s view of the official position on second spikes and so on. This single comment thread may be somewhat anarchic at times but it meets the demand for open and honest debate that enables people to connect up the related themes.

Howie59
Howie59
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I agree. Even though the volume of posts has been steadily increasing, I still find a single thread with a variety of connected topics much more appealing. There are often a number of wonderfully written posts on subjects that would be quite difficult to categorise and I for one would probably miss them if they were in a topic forum.

I am comfortable knowing that I am never going to read everything posted, but hey, I’m a lockdown sceptic, so am happy to live with the risk.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Howie59

Exactly – we are generally risk-savvy and intelligent folk who can negotiate the rapids!

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/BenMarten/status/1283974620589076480/photo/1https://twitter.com/BenMarten/status/1283974620589076480/photo/1

This is interesting US figures from CDC. You can see that for below 25 years almost zero risk of dying in this pandemic. But even more interesting is the declining death rate even amongst elderly during the last weeks. Either better treatment or perhaps more likely,infection is getting less deadly in line with reports from Italy.
In the last three weeks risk of dying below 45 almost zero 45-54 same risk as flu and only for >55 more deadly than flu but not that much

binra
6 years ago

I’ve just received a stern telling off for not wearing a mask on the tube by a crazy masked lady with a posh voice telling me she’s lost six (I tell you six!) family members to the “virus”. I must admit I was left a bit lost for words but obviously still mask free. What should my response have been?

My best response:

“If you believe you have a valid point of view worthy of sharing with others, please consider treating others with courtesy by engaging in communication with respect.

I question what I am told by the WHO, by the media, by politicians and their selected experts, and I make up my own mind with reference to all the resources I have available to me – not least of which is an inherent distrust of anyone in any situation who incites and insinuates fear and guilt to leverage invested reaction and compliance to a masked agenda”.

This was my second response – after realising that my first had suffered the fate of being FRAMED in reaction. For the full picture see:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/07/response-to-emotional-blackmailing-by.html

DanClarke
DanClarke
6 years ago

My MP asked me why I was bothered about a temporary measure, but when asked the question how temporary, no reply. Only saw 1 mask at the large local garden centre yesterday and they’ve opened up a cafe, hope it doesn’t return to the dark ages next week due to pressure, lots of large outlets are saying they will not enforce it

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

£3bn more for NHS England to get them through the winter. Setting the scene for yet more to be given to devolved NHSs.

“The funds will be available to NHS England immediately, and are expected to be used to keep the emergency Nightingale hospitals open until March, and increase testing capacity to the 500,000 a day he had previously promised.” The guardian

There are signs the Great British Public has the gov on the ropes because use of transport is not picking up as the political ‘people and our civil ‘servns’ expected.

“Ministers are concerned that public fear about a renewed rise in coronavirus cases is deterring them from venturing out. Use of public transport has been less than expected since services were increased.” The guardian

DanClarke
DanClarke
6 years ago

Is ‘Trust Stamp’ the reason for this hoax

Anonymous
Anonymous
6 years ago

well, the next domino has toppled over here—total madness.
https://www.mvtimes.com/
All covid all the time; no other news! West Tisbury is a rural town with practically no town center. So . . . masks while driving? Hiking? They want us to wear a mask at the beach! The town is to be defaced with “mask signage.” Where will it end? Meanwhile no one has even heard of The Great Reset, they are so obsessed with their mask wearing.

Covid_Skeptic
Covid_Skeptic
6 years ago

Breaking News (or is it?): Deaths Through Fear Exceed Deaths From Covid. Of the half-million fewer NHS emergency admissions in Lockdown, c27K would have died anyway. Leaving >450K untreated due to fear. How many of these died through lack of treatment? Do check my figures & shout if they’re wrong.

Total emergency admissions, England, Mar-Jun 2019: 2,166,866
Total emergency admissions, England, Mar-Jun 2020: 1,590,444
576,422 fewer total emergency admissions in Mar-Jun 2020 than Mar-Jun 2019. On average 4.7% of emergency admissions (27,092) result in death within 30 days (weekdays; more at weekends – see Lancet, 1/7/17) and so presumably 95.3% of admissions (549,300) are successfully treated. Of those who could have been successfully treated, I wonder how many died, as a result of not going to hospital from fear of Covid? Could this go some way to explaining excess deaths Mar-Jun ’20??

Refs: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/ae-waiting-times-and-activity/ae-attendances-and-emergency-admissions-2020-21/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5494289/

A13
A13
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1283729860154851329
Interesting story from another paramedic – empty hospitals, no covid patients, staff with nothing to do.

karenovirus
karenovirus
6 years ago
Reply to  A13

Interesting read, I was out and about, key worker, throughout lockdown and used the hospital toilets (public ones all closed), never any ambulances at the main entrance, A&E or maternity even though they were always on the road with sirens wailing despite there being no other traffic ie solely to induce fear in the lockdown population.

All NHS staff have been threatened with the sack if they talk to the press or on social media about what has, not, been going on in the hospitals.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My Mum was admitted to hospital yesterday due to heart problems. Overnight she was the ONLY patient on the ward – and despite this, they made her wear a face mask. Which seemed stupid, especially seeing as her main symptom (from heart issues) is breathlessness…

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1283784304926089216/photo/1
This is a very interesting graph CFR in the ongoing C-19 pandemic. Compare UK and Sweden.
What happened in the end of May in Sweden? They started massive testing of mostly mild cases and many asymptomatic persons in screening .And the CFR drops close to Ireland crossing Netherlands and Spain and leaving UK, France, Belgium at the top.
But according to CBS US very bad in Sweden according to their report 16th July.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/sweden-sees-high-virus-mortality-rate-after-resisting-lockdown/
And most people follow MSM

Nobody2021
Nobody2021
6 years ago

Good Tweet on why schools should open.

dr mark mcdonald who convinced the orange county school board to re-open schools without masks or social distancing

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1283858607889620994

Image attached for those not on Twitter.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
6 years ago

I have ordered an ‘Exempt’ badge, just in case I can’t be bothered to argue on the day. Unlikely, I admit.

The charriddee that sends them out sent me a letter today saying they’re a bit overwhelmed. 10,000 people have ordered them already from this one source, and there are many. Yet the fucking focus groups that lead the government by the nose reckon only 30% will want to go back to normal procedures. A lot of people beg to differ.

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Basics
Basics
6 years ago

See the edinburgh live link below. Hoardes are buying up these badges. Lots of money to be made is the edinburgh live story. Same deal. People are getting around. Its un policeable. But is this going to used later for the reasoning for verified ID system? Or is it a complete oversight by the overlords?

binra
6 years ago

Shaping ‘information’ is leading a false witness.
Any emotional reaction will effect invested identity and that identity can be fed, nudged, shaped and directed.
The public-private ‘partnership’ (sic) can be sketched as a Gated government – though Gates is a poster-boy for a much larger movement of invested self-interest set in terms of maintaining and consolidating possession and control. Monopolism masked as global concerns that uses doublespeak as its default.
Fragmentation is the means by which to compartmentalise into a mess of obfuscation through which to effect control under plausible deniability or maximal cloaking.
It’s all very well to be exasperated with our world but do we judge it from the same ‘self-exceptionalism’ that we cry ‘Foul!’ in others? I don’t say that to deflect or deny accountability and responsibility – but to note that the collective is represented in its structures of social organisation – not as personal opinions or views but as the structure of consciousness currently operating.
For the most part persons in their world are not aware of the internalised structure of thought and belief, or socially required ‘agreements or definitions’ FROM which our human or social and political world operates.
The idea of the ‘Reset’… Read more »

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1283863658389479427/photo/1
Guess how many have died in the US of Covid-19 Feb- 11 July in the age below 15?
31 in a population of 61 million.(CDC statistics). I think they have double that for flu this year!
And many want to delay opening schools. Insanity but most likely this is now pure politics.

binra
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The term ‘politics’ might be expanded – for surely you mean a power grab or act of force majeure – albeit by trojan pretext. As distinct from fundraising for the Labour Party.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Steve
Steve
6 years ago

“By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.

This why the PHE figures vary substantially from day to day. For example, 16 new deaths were announced on 6th July, but the following day, 152 were reported – today’s figure is 66.”
😂😂😆
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly/

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

Today was my first outing for anything but food shopping and bottle bank (blush) since March.

My friend and I visited our favourite little village cafe. We were greeted with “Please will you wait there (people paying cause a bottle neck and prevent antisocial distancing). Please sign in, please gel your hands, there’s a table free in the corner.”

I asked the owner if we could sit near the door as it gets a bit steamy. She explained that the table near the door was too near an occupied table, so we wouldn’t be doing social distancing. I assured her that I didn’t want to do anything that would get her into trouble.

“It’s ridiculous isn’t it?” she said. “I’ll be glad when it’s all back to normal!”

It’s normally a very relaxed, happy sort of place but she was clearly on edge. I read on the cafe facebook page a couple of weeks ago, when they were still only allowed to do takeaways, that someone had shopped her for not having a red chopping board in her kitchen. Poor love – I doubt she preps any raw meat in there!

She’s had to take out some tables, so they… Read more »

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

I tend not to watch/listen to any MSM sources for news, since the narrative is so entirely compromised.

But – has anyone picked up whether what should be in bold headlines – namely the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine’s revelation about PHE essentially making up Covid-19 mortality figures [https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly/] has been reported?

Clearly, it’s an accusation that raises massive issues for any real journalist/news outlet. It’s treatment will be a defining moment for any residual credibility for the main news outlets.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I posted it here earlier.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

I know. However my question is about MSM coverage of a major potential falsification of key data by a public body.

Ianric
Ianric
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The majority of the msm are so tied to coronavirus is the new black death and lockdown is the only choice narrative, they will not publish anything which goes against it.

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Just read that. If it wasn’t so stupid it would be hilarious. A £squillion A months over dodgy data. Ffs

Roadrash
Roadrash
6 years ago

I came across this earlier. From what I understand the tests for Covid generally do not distinguish between types of Corona virus. So many are returning false positives. Added to the fact that post-mortems on patients that tested positive weren’t being carried out to establish the true cause of death and now the revelation that a death at any time is counted as a Covid fatality regardless of whether the patient had previously recovered or even been symptomatic, means the statistics are completely unreliable. Yet lockdown policy is being driven by this garbage. It’s either gross incompetence by this Government or deliberate.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Roadrash

Leaning towards deliberate!

DanClarke
DanClarke
6 years ago

definitely

Steve
Steve
6 years ago
Reply to  Roadrash

Doesn’t even need to that high a false +ve rate. It you are testing 100k people a day. 1% is a 1000 false positives. As testing Ramps up more false readings

Sylvie
Sylvie
6 years ago
Reply to  Roadrash

It will be interesting to see what PHE have to say about this, seems ludicrous. Thanks John P!
But on the other points, it would be cruel to the relatives to postpone the death cert by requiring a post mortem on an elderly person, likely with dementia, when it’s obvious they died of one or more long standing complaints, and CV19 or flu or pneumonia or something was the ultimate last straw. (Not that a post mortem would ascertain CV19, any more than it would a cold, presumably you mean in order to establish some physical co morbidity?)
Death certs in UK scrupulously record all the contributory causes of death and ONS stats count and distinguish between deaths with and of (solely) CV19.
Re false positives, see earlier contributions from guy153, I think he’s given up putting people straight about this because it got so repetitive. Why do you think tests don’t distinguish between types of Corona virus?

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

This is the killer point:

In summary, PHE’s definition of the daily death figures means that everyone who has ever had COVID at any time must die with COVID too. So, the COVID death toll in Britain up to July 2020 will eventually exceed 290k, if the follow-up of every test-positive patient is of long enough duration.

So, the more testing (think Leicester, Malvern vegetable farm etc) the more potential to keep this whole shit show going into the autumn with the ‘scare’ of new deaths until we get to the next lockdown. ICL Model QED!

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

We’ve always known about the essential inaccuracy of the data – because of the corruption of the death certification process. But this is another layer of potential falsification that underlines the fictional nature of the panicdemic.

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago

Mason Mills on twitter says vaccine will not be mandatory. Hope he’s right. I have objections to being injected with stuff developed from foetal cell line and tested on humanised mice (poor bastards). I also object to certification. Bill Barr in US has already said certification would be a civil rights issue. But then Americans still have civil rights! I suspect our government is proceeding with stealth on this because they know many people won’t like it. You know – baby steps…

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

Err, I’m not sure that Mason Mills’ comment on twitter is definitive …

Bugle
Bugle
6 years ago
Reply to  John Pretty

Since the only sources of real information are outside MSM, it’s a little bit counter productive to keep putting sources ‘beyond the pale’. Many people think it is definitive, others probably don’t. Read it, compare with other sources, make up your own mind.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

I have no opinion on the matter as yet.

Whatever the government decides I intend to say “no” to any coronavirus vaccine.

Gracie Knoll
Gracie Knoll
6 years ago
Reply to  Bugle

“Vaccine will not be mandatory.” Sounds good, doesn’t it?

Wait a minute…….

THEN they drop the other shoe:

“However you will need to have a valid Certificate of Vaccination to get a bank account, a credit card, a driving licence, a passport, a mortgage, insurance, a job…..but you are free to refuse the vaccine if you wish.”

Tenchy
Tenchy
6 years ago
Reply to  Gracie Knoll

I doubt such a scenario would come to pass – but the world has gone mad, so who knows? Why would you possibly need such a certificate to get a driving licence, for example?

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

You would need the certificate so you can sit next to the examiner whilst taking the test, or take your theory test at the test center where there are other people you could spread it to.

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago

I can’t log on at all, want to, but not possible – help! Kath

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Kath Andrews

I struggled for a while. Looks like its been abandoned for now.

Emma
Emma
6 years ago

I live in Herefordshire, where there has been an ‘outbreak’ on a fruit and veg farm amongst the seasonal workforce.Now apparently we have the 4th highest rate of infections in the country, and the local paper is wetting itself with an abundance of Covid-fear updates. 93 ‘cases’ were recorded on the farm. But talking to the physiotherapist at my GP surgery, (who is not allowed to see me face to face, and my frozen shoulder gets worse and worse) I was told that the hospital now has no Covid patients at all, none. The Wye Valley health authority however still prevents him carrying out his job and seeing patients, because of the risk.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  Emma

Farm workers aged under 50 very unlikely to suffer more than cold symptoms. The media are hysterical. They react to everything like female characters in an old 50s movie: SCREAM!!!!!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Emma

This hysteria has led to a cancelling of a series of drive concerts here. Big firgetable names were due to appear in a month of concerts at the local show ground. But ‘fears’ of a Leicester lockdown have caused tge organisers to cancel. Sitting in your car in a car park with 100s of others looking at a brightly lit stage in the far distance is now too much. I wonder what the bookings actually were…

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Emma

Emma, forget the GP & standard physio if you have a frozen shoulder. I had two, both sides, one after the other in 2003/2004 and the only treatment that really worked was that developed by Simeon Neil Asher. People used to fly in from all over the world to his clinic in Highgate, London. It was a mixture of pressure points and manipulation techniques, and it worked! He cured both my frozen shoulders in a very short space of time. They were SO painful! He was training new practitioners at the time all over the U.K. so you may find one near you. GPs don’t have a clue.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Guardian (free) report about the Randox covid testing kits

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/uk-government-orders-halt-randox-covid-19-tests-over-safety-issues

Just to point out 33 in the article. Because that is is a recurring number as already pointed out.

I believe the tests might give people at large (!) cause to think on about vaccine safety. Its a good oppotunity to raise safety aspects of badly tested medical measures.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

The essential question about any supposed vaccine for Covid is why anyone in their right mind and in reasonable health would even consider an under-tested concoction of dubious provenance for a mild infection.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The answer will come back: “but it will help the elderly”…Time to get real! Vaccines don’t make old people’s lungs young again. We really are playing with fire here.

Leaving aside the issue of how many old people suffer serious illness after receiving the vaccine (answer: a lot), if we succeed in eliminating “traditional” pathogens such as flu viruses and coronaviruses from old people’s lungs we are then leaving that inviting environmental niche (warm, watery and defenceless) open to novel pathogens which could have really horrendous effects on society (far far worse than this rather ineffective pathogen). A novel virus might emerge that is able to attack the young and healthy as did the Spanish Flu virus of 1918-19.

smileymiley
smileymiley
6 years ago

Don’t know if this has been posted earlier

https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1283823864750002176?s=19

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago

Has anybody sussed out who today’s visitor from 77th Brigade is?

RDawg
RDawg
6 years ago

Urrrrghhh! Those virtue-signalling TV ads from Amazon. “I’m Helen and I used to be in the military.”
“I’m Kevin. I wear a mask, gloves. Protect the NHS and key workers.”
Vomit inducing. I hate them sooooo much!!!! 🤢🤮🤮

nottingham69
nottingham69
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

It won’t dent Bezos much but I will never use them ever again. Anyone but Amazon

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Me too, and I’m a Kevin! Why do they use Kevin so much?!!

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Kevins have it easy !

In the US, a toilet is a John.
As is a prostitute’s client.
Get dumped, you get a Dear John letter.
A condom is a rubber Johnny
An anonymous corpse is John Doe.

I’ve probably internalised the others, so can’t remember them. 🙂

skipper
skipper
6 years ago
Reply to  Kevin

Whatever happened to Donna’s Cakes?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Sounds awful! I don’t watch any commercial tv and miss all this stuff. Bliss!

tonyspurs
tonyspurs
6 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

The one on the radio with the female bus driver instructing everyone to wear their mask is cringe inducing tripe

Mimi
Mimi
6 years ago

Now that I get all my news from Twitter (haha – I also get it from Lockdown Sceptics!), here’s an excellent report on hydroxychloroquine from the estimable Gummi Bear. Conclusion: it looks like it’s an effective treatment of the dread COVID, especially as seen in the results of countries that use it to treat early: https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1283840177497088001

Also, Alex Berenson’s reporting has been on fire today. He is a hero! Just like Toby! https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago

Anyone here listen to the No Agenda Podcast?

It is a bit alternative, it is funded by its listeners, US based, but they do cover UK one of the presenters lived here in the UK.

Worth a listen if you can spare the time.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Todays Vernon Coleman
Mask wearers are collaborators
https://youtu.be/pYk6nfnx_84
Very good to share.

John Pretty
John Pretty
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Superb.

Linda
Linda
6 years ago

The Government, like others made mistakes. I think most people know that but when it became clear that the virus was not as bad as they believed or were led to believe they should have had the moral courage to stand up and admit they were wrong and call a halt to the absurd lockdown that is destroying the country. They are now perpetuating their mistakes and consequently perpetuating fear. This mask fiasco is the final straw – I, as others have said, am ashamed of our government, one, I sadly voted for. They remove our civil liberties on a whim or to bow to the latest media pressure — It is truly sad to see our once proud brave nation who stood up for freedom when they fought ww1 and ww1 bow down to this removal of our freedoms without so much as a wimpier – let alone a roar of defiance is a tragedy indeed. A lifelong Tory — I will not be voting for Conservative again –

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Linda

Unless we get our act together, we won’t be voting for anyone again –

Mr Dee
Mr Dee
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I’ll vote for you, JohnB.

CarrieAH
CarrieAH
6 years ago
Reply to  Linda

I certainly won’t be voting Conservative ever again and I’ve written to the Party to tell them so.

Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
6 years ago

In our part of Northwest Scotland, we are convinced it was here in December – lots of people falling ill and well into January. We are in an area which gets lots of Chinese tourists and they were here right to the end of January. Of course, it is too much like common sense to do T-cell tests or whatever they are in our community to establish if that is the case. Much easier to pretend it arrived in the UK at the end of January, because otherwise it upsets the narrative.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Ruth Sharpe

The tests are unreliable, Ruth.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Ruth Sharpe

I was staying in Fort William over Christmas week and there were plenty of Chinese about. They are endlessly interested in and curious of the UK, and like most first-time visitors, deeply impressed by the Highlands.

Whether unknowing Chinese tourists brought it here at the back end of 2019 or not, I share your view that this has been with us a bit longer than our officials are prepared to admit.

OKUK
OKUK
6 years ago

The parallel between the Mask Idiocy and the Poll Tax debacle occurred to me as well when trying to think of an equalling appalling own goal, an equally bad political decision.

There’s similar pathos as well. Margaret Thatcher clearly thought the poll tax fair and essential to good local governance; she also believed it would be a popular measure. Johnson seems similarly deluded. Unless he’s just lying it appears he genuinely thinks it will reduce anxiety and increase footfall on the High Street.

I was in a large supermarket today outside London. Probably 80-90% of shoppers had no face mask on and we’re nearly back to normal in termof social distancing. They will not welcome being made to wear stifling masks in the middle of summer. Once it becomes apparent that mandatory masks are causing a reduction in footfall, Johnson will have nowhere to hide.

RickH
RickH
6 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

“Unless he’s just lying”

Weeell ….it is his only skill.

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