A reader who describes himself as a “normal person” has tried to make sense of Imperial College’s notorious March 16th paper. He doesn’t have much luck. Imperial College really needs to be a bit more transparent about the assumptions it used in its model and how it reached the figures of 510,000 dead if we “do nothing” and 250,000 dead if we stuck with mitigation. How can voters make up their own minds about whether the Government was right to lock down the country unless “the science” is set out in a way that lay people can understand?
Have you read any of Imperial College’s papers about COVID-19? Probably not. Nor had I. But we’ve all heard about them in the news. I decided to sit down and read the one that contained the advice to lock down the UK.
I’ve written this from the perspective of a “normal person”. I’m not a professional statistician, though I know a bit about it. Nor do I write computer software. In fact I’m a professional historian, which means that above all else I ask questions. I also worked in secondary education for a decade, where I was continually subjected to predictive modelling that was always wrong and always based on a vast number of assumptions that ignored reality. I became used to dismantling what we were presented with, and what I saw many of my colleagues accepting at face value. I wasn’t satisfied with just accepting Imperial College’s modelling for COVID-19. I wanted to understand it. In particular, I wanted to know why they had predicted 510,000 deaths in the UK from COVID-19 and recommended the lockdown we are now stuck in. What I found myself doing was sinking into a quagmire of assumptions, one piled on top of another, and figures cited without any coherent explanation. At every stage this progresses the predictions to one more level away from reality.
This is what I found out.
In Ferguson’s team’s “Report 9: Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPSs) to reduce COVID-19 mortality and healthcare demand” (published 16th March 2020), a series of recommendations is made about how practical public health measures could reduce the spread of the disease. I’ll call this paper Ferguson20.1
Like all predictive modelling, a number of assumptions were made, assumed, or implied. Predictive modelling is – in part – based on past observations from which a projection of the future is derived. The practice is widespread in commercial and educational contexts. It is usually expounded in ways that are incomprehensible to most people and narrow in perception and approach.
It’s important to bear in mind two key options considered in Ferguson20: mitigation or suppression of the effects of the virus.
Ferguson20’s prediction is that “optimal mitigation policies”, such as isolation of suspect cases, quarantining of their households and social distancing of the most-at-risk would still result in “hundreds of thousands of deaths”. No figures are supplied at this stage but they appear later, spread over the “2 years of the simulation”:2 approximately 258,000 if the health system was not overwhelmed, a reduction of 49% from 510,000 with no policy interventions.3 The recommendation was therefore to resort to suppression through what we now know as the lockdown, and that that would need to last for “18 months or more”.
Ferguson20 appears to assume from start to finish that:
- The reproduction rate of the disease as measured on the Ro index is constant at Ro = 2.4, which they call their “baseline assumption”. We’ve all heard this unit of measure on the news and it refers to the rate at which one infected person infects others. There’s nothing fixed about an Ro number: it’s estimated on the basis of a number of factors (and assumptions).
- That every human being is equally susceptible to being infected by the disease and transmitting it at the same rate.
- It is also projected that ultimately 81% of the UK population will be infected. Ro, together with the average generation times between original and transmitted infections and the proportion of the population that remains susceptible to the virus (which gradually reduces) determines the compound daily growth rate of the infections.
None of these is actually stated, but the reader is led to believe these are the case since any alternative is not acknowledged beyond saying that “much remains to be understood about its transmission”. Instead, more concern is expressed about how nations and people respond to lockdown measures, including “spontaneous changes in population behaviour”. It is interesting here that blame for failure of any lockdown is therefore expressly transmitted in advance to those obliged to carry it out. This leads to the paper’s conclusion, which is essentially a disclaimer.
As we now know, this ominous warning could also have been usefully applied by himself to the principal author of Ferguson20.
It is worth adding that the Report did acknowledge the potential social and economic costs, and warned that the most vulnerable cannot be completely protected.
The Assumptions Made
In order to get to 510,000 deaths in the UK, Ferguson20 made the following assumptions:
- The Transmission Model was based on mathematics that created a hypothetical population in which the disease circulates. This was used “to generate a synthetic population of schools” and also something similar for workplaces. This was in part based on previous influenza outbreaks and clearly assumed that everyone within this population was equally liable to infection, with one third occurring in homes, one third occurring in schools and workplaces and one third “in the community”. This has been referred to as the “SimCity model”.
- Ferguson20 assumed that all infected individuals were infectious, and that asymptomatic individuals were 50% more infectious than symptomatic individuals. They also assumed that infected individuals would subsequently be immune “in the short term”. (Later on, page 15, they acknowledge that there are “very large uncertainties around the transmission of this virus” but this caveat does not seem to have affected their calculations or assumptions.)
- Infection was assumed to result in exponential growth every 6.5 days in each country.
- It appears to have been assumed that everyone in each country formed part of an aggregate susceptibility to infection, apart from considerations of geographical separation and of household size. In other words, no account was taken of any other factor such as natural resistance, genetic predisposition, blood group, age, ethnicity, race or the existence of other medical conditions. These of course could not be computed at the time but that – and the ignoring of them – could not affect their direct relevance to the accuracy of the assumption. None of these is mentioned even as technical possibilities.
- Infectiousness was not distinguished by age, but age was recognized to be a “non-uniform” factor in hospitalization and fatality. Overall, they predicted 4.4% of the infected UK population would be hospitalized, of whom 30% would require critical care and of those 50% would die.
- The disease is implicitly assumed to maintain a constant progression towards near-universal infection with hospitalization and fatality at constant rates in different age bands.
- The disease is also assumed to remain of constant potency and impact.
As we can see therefore, Ferguson20’s advice was predicated on a wholly artificial depiction of disease circulating in a population on a purely mathematical basis. It could not possibly take into account the plethora of actual factors that would determine the true course. The result was their prediction of impending catastrophe which seems to have been founded on the assumption that the great bulk of the population would be infected, and of whom two-thirds would be symptomatic. This was in spite of the fact that we know diseases do not have a universally similar impact on the population. This has become painfully apparent with the latest revelations that black Britons are dying at a rate which is twice that of white Britons.
A key headline figure in Ferguson20 is the prediction of 510,000 deaths based on the Ro figure of 2.4. This is, in fact, only one of several predicted “do nothing” death totals for the UK, derived from different Ro figures (a range of 2.0–2.6). I was puzzled by the lack of a clear explanation for how 510,000 had been arrived at, since this was a key news-grabbing figure when the whole crisis erupted and the lockdown started. Preventing 500,000-odd deaths was a driving force behind the government’s decision to enforce a national lockdown.
It’s important to add here that the projected 510,000 deaths does not take into account the possibility – even probability – that some of that group would have died during the two-year period from other causes. Of course we now know that underlying health conditions are playing a large part in mortality, with the confusing blurring of causes of death being recorded either as “from” or “with” COVID-19. Professor Ferguson is on record as conceding more recently that this could have applied to as many as two-thirds of the victims within 2020 alone.
[Note: The “2 years of the simulation” is important. The average death rate in the UK is about 9.4 per thousand, or around 625,000 per annum. Over two years, therefore, around 1.25 million will die as a matter of course. It will not be until at least two years have passed that we will know how many deaths from or with COVID-19 will amount to an increase over the deaths that would have been expected anyway, whether that is the 510,000 deaths from Ferguson20’s projection or the actual number.]The basis for projecting 510,000 deaths is what has already been discussed on this site. Ferguson20 used a “stochastic, spatially structured individual based simulation”, explained in a 2005 paper by Neil Ferguson and others based on an influenza outbreak in SE Asia.4
Although the term “stochastic” has been described on this site as a scientific word for “random”, it’s actually a Greek word the original meaning of which was “being skilled at aiming at something” or, better, “an educated guess”. As an amusing aside, scientists rarely seem to know the Greek origins of the words they use, which are often quite humbling.
Now, I had a read of that paper. It didn’t help me understand the predictions in the 16th March 2020 paper. For a start the method used in 2005 “did not model disease-related mortality” because they were only interested in inhibiting the spread of the SE Asian influenza outbreak rather than limiting deaths.
The answer is via a route which Ferguson20 simply did not explain. It provides a rounded Infected Fatality Rate (“IFR”) of 0.9% (p.5; the actual IFR figure they worked from seems to have been 0.943%), which is represented by the 510,000 projected deaths. They also assumed that 81% of the population would be infected because they estimated an Ro of 2.4. This means that 510,000 would die out of 54.12 million (81% of the UK population of 66.8 million) if one uses an IFR of 0.943%. This population figure is for mid-2019 from the ONS, but the real figure is probably slightly higher for 2020.5
No UK population figure appears in Ferguson20 and this calculation is never actually demonstrated either.
The figure of 510,000 is inclusive of those dying outside ICUs but that point is not clearly made. Indeed, it is obscured by the next paragraph proceeding to discuss the overwhelming of ICU capacity.
It’s important to understand that there are two paths through Ferguson20’s figures to projected deaths. One is the number of deaths of those admitted to ICUs. This number is smaller than the headline figure of 510,000 which covers all projected deaths (for example, those that occur in the home). Ferguson20 predicted that 4.4% of infected cases would be hospitalized. This was not based on any method of knowing how many people in total would be infected. Ferguson20 could only assume that up to two-thirds of the cases would be recognizably symptomatic. This is less than the 81 percent they predict actually would be infected.
So, let’s start with the assumption that two-thirds of the UK population (c.44.53 million out of c.66.8 million) is infected. Using ICL’s own percentages, that means 1.96 million being hospitalized at some point, of whom 30% or 588,000 would require intensive care, 50% of whom (294,000) will die.6 Crucially, this only refers to those dying in ICUs. As we have seen, they estimated that an extra 215,000-odd would die outside ICUs.
It’s worth adding that the 4.4% comes from “a subset of cases from China”. The 30% figure appears to have come from a single source (credited as a personal communication). The 50% is attributed to non-referenced “expert clinical opinion”.
However, Ferguson20 proceeded to estimate that without a lockdown in fact 81% of the UK population (54.11 million) would be infected, derived from an assumed Ro of 2.4. Applying the same calculation means that 2.38 million people will be hospitalized, of whom 714,225 will be admitted to ICUs with 357,112 dying in ICUs.
Ferguson20 did not actually reproduce any of these calculations, so we don’t know what he thought the figures would have been. Nor did it cite the UK population size used. And it’s only at this stage that the 510,000 projected deaths first appears, without explanation.7 It’s necessary to go through the process I have outlined above to find how it was calculated.
Now, just to add to the mounting complications, it’s been suggested elsewhere that Ferguson20 got its figures wrong because they had “downscaled” Chinese hospitalization rates with an IFR of 1.23%, leading to the proposition that Ferguson20’s 510,000 should in fact have been 661,402.8
So I read the original paper – which we’ll call Verity20 – that provides the 1.23% IFR.9
And what do I find? The 1.23% is actually for a Case Fatality Rate (“CFR”), which is not the same as an IFR. A Case Fatality Rate is measured against known cases of a disease. An IFR includes the CFR but tries to incorporate an allowance for asymptomatic and otherwise undetected infections. Since those are, by definition, unlikely to be fatal it’s no great surprise that a CFR proportion of deaths is larger than an IFR. The Verity20 paper in fact estimates an “overall IFR estimate for China of 0.66%” (p.2). If that was applied to the UK then Ferguson20’s 510,000 prediction comes down to 357,000. But I am straying.
We can therefore bypass the 661,402 and stick with Ferguson’s 510,000 rather than confusing the issue further. But it’s worth bearing in mind the difference between an IFR and a CFR.10
Ferguson20 proceeded to estimate the effects of various interventions involving both the nature of the intervention and the extent of compliance.
The Impact of Interventions
A complex range of tables follows which itemizes predictions dependent on the extent of lockdown measures and the time in which they are in place.
This section is filled with waffle and caveats. They concluded that epidemic suppression is “the only viable strategy” through population-wide social distancing and home isolation, together with school and university closure for maximum effect. They reject mitigation as an option on the basis that it would overwhelm ICUs leading to “in the order of 250,000 deaths” (this is the 258,000 mentioned elsewhere by them).
They concluded that a range of interventions be imposed in countries able to implement them, and that they would need to be in place for “several months” to prevent a second wave – a figure that does not seem to have been discussed or mentioned by the government. They model the repeated imposition of a lockdown for two-thirds of the time until the end of 2021 as being necessary,11 at which time this pattern would need to be continued in the absence of vaccination or an effective drug being available at scale.
They believed school and university closure to be more effective than household quarantine. Elsewhere, they state their assumption that children “transmit as much as adults.”
Part of the argument about applying a limited-term lockdown is that Ferguson20 also assumes that until a vaccine arrives in eighteen months or more “these policies will have to be maintained” to prevent “a rebound in transmission”.
In spite of all this, the final conclusion is a truly remarkable one and it represents a strange twist from the whole focus of Ferguson20. This says that:
- “[it] is not at all certain that suppression [of the virus through these measures] will succeed long term”
- “[h]ow populations and societies will respond [to long-term lockdown measures] remains unclear”
In other words, having recommended a course of action based on a litany of assumptions – none of which is necessarily right and much of which is open to debate – Fergson20’s authors distance themselves from any failure resulting from following their recommendations. “It wasn’t our fault, guv”, I can hear them plead in two years’ time.
Moreover, while the predictions about hospitalization, ICU use and death numbers that would have resulted from inaction are not necessarily wrong, nevertheless since they are entirely based on assumptions and not presented as the result of clear and transparent calculations there is no reason to conclude that they are right either. As a layman, and as far as I could see, the entire structure is a minefield of figures derived from a variety of sources, open to confusing and contradictory interpretation, and which omits a vast range of real-world factors that will affect the outcome. Even the software code seems to be gravely flawed.12
Quite how this could ever link to reality I have no idea. Worse, I don’t imagine any politician read Ferguson20 critically.
Am I any the wiser? What left me most concerned is that it would appear that the UK embarked down the lockdown/suppression route based on the advice of a very small group of experts who seem to have little or no confidence that their recommendations will succeed anyway. And when one looks at Sweden one rather wonders why they bothered to make them.
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- 2Ferguson20, p.11.
- 3Tables 3 and A1.
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- 6Tthe 258,000 provided in Table A1 of Ferguson20 refers to deaths under a mitigation policy, though precisely how it was calculated is not laid out.
- 7p.7.
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- 10It’s also worth putting the IFR of 0.943% and the CFR of 1.23% in context. For Ebola, the CFR is as high as 90%. For the Spanish flu of 1918 it was in excess of 2.5%. For poliomyelitis it was as much as 10% in adults but between 2–5% in children.
- 11Figure 4.
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A huge logistical challenge for the NHS.
Never mind: they can chuck cancer patients, heart patients, sick children, cancer screening, and non-urgent operations out the window.
I was just typing exactly the same thing! All staff on the jabathon for the worried well, for actual sick people it’s tough titties.
The “worried well” are on the slippery slope to oblivion and every shot will bring it closer.
Yep: hope springs eternal!
Do your homework, oh jabbed one.
This seems awfully likely.
You’ve not been paying attention.
They can’t profit on chucking them out the window – they’re more likely to chuck them into ‘care’ homes and jab them with midazolam and morphine.
I asked yesterday whether my friend had been given her booster by a member of the NHS. She said yes, she believed so. This really infuriates me as there are many unsurmountable problems in life, but training up additional people to give an intermuscular injection is not one of them. Clear incompetence by the NHS and government. So NHS staff sidelined into a menial task leaving other more serious cases wanting. Pathetic…
And think of the money that will save. Remember, perks and salaries for top management have to come out of a meagre allowance from Bozo and Co!
While I take your point – that wasn’t my first worry.
What about the fact that this is A) being prompted about possibly massively overblown fears to do with a ‘variant’ that not enough is yet known about, will B) cause god knows what further damage to immune systems and, possibly most importantly of all, C) won’t have been trialled or tested – see what Mike Yeadon says on this point. These boosters could indeed for that reason be the death shots and people will almost now panic to queue up to get them.
oncomir
so have they told us what is in it?
How would they know?
Milo I’m afraid up here the panic is already real. I (very reluctantly) had my second jab last week, for no reason other than coercion to keep my job. I had to stand in a long queue of people gleefully waiting for their booster, discussing the merits of this third jab now being visible on the NHS app and generally being over the moon their turn had come. In the pittling rain.
I silenced one man with a loud ‘I don’t have the app and am only here so I don’t get sacked’, as he explained he was glad he could book his holiday now, and genuinely felt upset that this is our humanity now. I felt like a lamb to the slaughter and the others would have pushed me out of the way for it. Sad times indeed
And if the “holidaymaker’ cannot give proof of a negative test before departure, as is becoming the norm with the latest edition of “The Insanity”.he is absolutely fucked.
“What price your booster then” would then be a difficult question to answer…. …..
Well, no surprises there then!
Just had a look on https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus and surprise, surprise, still no updated face nappy regulations despite them coming into force in 10 hours’ time. I expect them to be the same as last time, but equally I wouldn’t put it past them to slip something nasty in there like removing some of the exemptions.
Nothing out from National Police Chiefs Council either so the ‘law’ will go ignored by Bobbies with no clue and not much inclination to care.
Cowards, cretins and collaborators.
Conspiracy: Quarterly jabs on subscription for life – check!
Pleeze suh, daily stab, yeh? 😵😨😱
I thought it was first ‘discovered’ 18 November but they have researched and tested thoroughly. They are openly laughing
It appears on some lists from Nov 2020….
Well, the JCVI might as well approve it, because if they didn’t Whitty would have done so anyway.
More firkin stabs by a psychopath state. Great for sadomasochists, ungreat for the rest of us.
Genocide.
Covid was always about mass genocide. That genocide is now being brought about about by bioweapons masquerading as vaccines. It was patently obvious from the start that the ‘pandemic” was a scam and if people still can’t see that, then they almost certainly never will. There is no point in wasting our time on these dullards.
The horror is loved ones who never awake. Literally and figuratively.
This ^^^^ It really is a horror. Like in the body snatchers, the unbelievable loss of someone still apparently/”physically” there.
It is. That word used to sound hollow but now I grasp its horrific mundanity. Is it though the first auto-genocide? Lemmings to the cliffs…
auto-genocide. Whew.
Not even the Nazis managed that one.
Remember the Beast in the Restaurant at the End of the Universe who desired only to be eaten?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
Didn’t take long for it’s only 1 dose for the kids to turn into 2.
As expected.
Or for the ‘booster’ to be expanded to everybody – again as expected.
One shot will likely be more than enough, but they’ll give them another just to be sure.
Didn’t the JCVI say they didn’t think 12-15 year olds needed to be vaccinated, when it was only one dose? Someone’s got them back on script, it appears. Let’s just turn a blind eye to all the deaths and heart issues we’ve already seen in this age group since they started rolling out the jabs to them. I shudder to think what 2 doses will do. Criminal.
Incredible that they can admit on one hand that they don’t know yet if the vaccine will be effective, yet on the other hand accelerate many more people getting many more shots of it.
And the thick puddings are jumping over each other to roll their sleeves up.
Maybe they are, but we can also think positively and make the following simple to understand point:
“You’ve had 2 injections. Now the authorities are saying you need a 3rd one. They’re not mentioning a 4th one. When they do, will you take it? How far will you allow this to go before you think ‘Wait a minute’?”
Some of those who have had only one injection but not a 2nd one may have wised up to some extent. Certainly in Switzerland many of the single-spiked voted against vaccine passports.
Yes, they won’t be able to bare their arms quick enough. Some of them seem to find vaccine roulette so exciting.
Three actually as a booster has also been approved.
For pro-vax nazis, it’s the gift that keeps on giving.
Although these injections are clearly killing people overall mortality figures are not significantly higher. I suspect the pressure is on to boost the death rate and hope as winter progresses that their expectations are fulfilled.
Once mortality figures increase the door is open for all the excuses:
“it was the omicron wot done it.”
And on the back of this all sorts of evils will be enacted – all in our best interests of course.
Excess deaths for those aged 45-65 have been ‘significantly higher’ than normal (about 5 standard deviations, which is certainly ‘unusual’) since about July. Which is when most in that age group got invited for their second jab.
I know there was a UK funeral director who blew the whistle on disproportionate numbers of stillbirths and dead young babies. Very upsetting. Here is also a report that the same is happening in Canada:
https://brightlightnews.com/full-interview-stillbirths-exploding-in-fully-vaccinated-mothers-dr-daniel-nagase/
This is so vile. Originally it was said that the pregnant or those considering pregnancy should not have the jabs. Then it changed and absolutely horrifically one heard some pregnant women were really pleased it had changed. Some of those babies will have died, from this evidence.
Evildoers always think that “this time is or will be different, because we can get away with it this time/ the context is different.” However it all end in paranoia (Stalin) self-destruction (Hitler) and/or a tortured conscience (Lady MacBeth). They know no peace, and resent those who do.
I hope and pray that the time over which it triumphs is cut short, and judgement upon the evildoers comes swiftly, before the innocent and over-trusting are overwhelmed.
Why the desperation for Billys brew.??
Are they getting behind and missing out on stab bonus payments in the swiss bank accounts ??
This is total madness now .Follow the money…
Bound to be. Didn’t he make a visit to Downing St in advance of COP in Glasgow? and if it wasn’t on the agenda for the G20 meeting around same time I’ll eat my hat.
One of the most disturbing aspects of all this is how jokes and rhetorical exaggerations about the plandemic have been confirmed as reality within barely a few weeks or months.
At this rate, a world dictatorship, techno slavery, compulsory wokery, eco fascism, and the rest, will be realised in a few short years.
I still wont be stuck like a pig though. They’ll have to oven bake my ass not spit roast me.
Looks like the pharmaceutical dictatorship has achieved 100% penetration of the ‘independent’ JVCI – our protection has been removed – a bit topsy-tervy – supposed to cut out the cancer not the healthy stuff…..
PJW is on it as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5qT_TrHDU
Pfizer have said if their jab isn’t effective against Omicron they will create an ‘improved’ version within 100 days.
Usual EUA rules apply then??
What if the impy versh isn’t effective either? One almost has to laugh here.
If we had 6 digits on each hand instead of 5, they’d be saying within 144 days.
That statement from Pfizer confirms that they’re not sure so why is the government rolling out a massive booster / second jab program? Another “it’s fucking obvious this is a set-up” moment.
Have I misread? If one is immunocompromised, has had two doses and a booster they’ll be eligible for dose four in 3 months?
Obviously the immunocompromised are not dying off quickly enough.
Nope, you haven’t misread. Apparently a “full course” of so-called covid vaccination for the severely immunocompromised is 3 doses, not 2. Presumably it’s possible then that they could be “jabbed” 4 times within the space of a year. All thoroughly researched I’m sure. Not.
If all adults are jabbed, how do you determine effectiveness without some un-jabbed for comparison?
I don’t think determining effectiveness is a priority for governments or pharma. We’re way way beyond that now.
I know, i’m just trying to provoke some critical thought, every little helps.
All adults won’t be jabbed…
I wish I shared your optimism. Do you think they’ll stop short of mandating it? It feels to me like mandating it would force them to look like the fascist tyrants we know they are, but Joe Fuckface still thinks are innocent politicians trying to do the right thing. Is it all just about nudging with empty threats?
I don’t think they’ll mandate it in this country… but then, I didn’t expect Australia to go full-on totalitarian.
They’ll mandate it, they are terrified that they will be punished if the truth gets out. In case I can’t escape from it any other way, I am keeping a couple of grand on standby just in case I need to resort to bribery.
Righto. I’m dusting off my Uzi.
How much would you need to bribe a GP? They are so overpaid anyway.
I doubt a couple of grand would impress them.
It’ll be the nurse at my GP surgery who is actually medically trained only to the level that she can stab, weigh and report blood pressure. She is not permitted to diagnose anything or even to take a blood sample – you have to travel to a special clinic for that. That’s the way that urban GPs seem to have been working for many years. She’ll certainly be earning a sliver of what the GPs have been creaming.
Ha ha ha – it’s the question that must not be asked. After all, it would be too scientific … ha ha ha.
That’s why they are so determined to get rid of any control group.
Pharma Stock prices
Thankfully that data is published in the weekly vaccine surveillance reports so we know for sure that the vaccinated have around twice the chance of being infected compared to the unvaccinated across most age groups. It’s political dynamite but no MSM want to report it. I wonder why.
So in August it was “only” 1 jab for 12 to 15 year olds because of the risk of heart inflammation but now it’s 2 jabs for them within 3 months.
and before that it was even “no jab” for 12 to 15 year olds based on the JCVI advice. Mission creep.
What am I missing. The Moronic Variant was detected last week and today the JVCI recommend this, but the politicians claim that it’s too early to tell anything about the Variant. Reckless or am
i honestly missing something ? And now young men are being offered a rapid second jab, despite it being dangerous only yesterday ? Again – sorry to ask, but what am I missing ?
is fully vaccinated now 3 stabs ? Why can’t one have AZ for booster jab anymore ?
Not missing anything. Either the variant was publicised now in order to make bringing in this further madness easier, or it was seen as an opportunity to be taken advantage of.
Because there are always variants, one can be pulled out of the bag at any time.
I guess quite a few of us predicted one for about this time. So we have what seems to be a moderate cold virus doing the job this time in an obvious display of contempt for Joe Public.
As a 66 year old I’m still very happy to be part of the control group.
I’ll carry on relying on my memory B and T cells after having Covid in March 2020 which was not as bad as flu.
I’m assuming I have them and even if I don’t I will not let the toxic experimental jabs anywhere near me.
COVID for me (admittedly younger) wasn’t even as bad as a nasty cold!
I had the same experience. In fact I sum it up to friends as “I’ve had worse hangovers”.
Ever since that moment I’ve been up for “cracking on” as normal, way before any vaccine was on the cards.
I hope those who are still on this bandwagon are prepared to be in it for the long haul. Their immune system has been corrupted. Not only has it been corrupted, but it has been turned into a type of pay-as-you-go top-up service. Just as the tyrants chase variants, the injected are now chasing ‘booster’ shots to try to prop up their waning immunity to a virus with a statistically negligible IFR.
You sometimes have to pinch yourself to make sure you’re not dreaming/having a nightmare.
Yes, I sometimes get this weird feeling that I will wake up and find that 2020-21 never happened.
If only.
Well of course it runs on the Microsoft Windows model, regular updates and regular viruses..
Funny you should say that. Jeffrey Tucker of the Brownstone Institute recently wrote this interesting piece:
‘It’s odd how [Gates] speaks of medicines as if they are like software. Try it out, observe how it works. When you find a problem, put the technicians to work. Every new iteration is an experiment. Free to try until you finally buy. Surely over time, we’ll find the answer to the problem of blocking or blotting out pathogens.
‘Software. Hardware. Applications. Subscriptions! This is how he thinks, as if the human body and its deadly dance with viruses is a recent problem and we are only at the very beginning of finding solutions, without realizing that this reality has been present for the whole of human existence and that we had tremendous success in the course of the 20th century minimizing bad pathogenic outcomes without his guidance and benefaction.
‘Essentially, he has long promoted the idea that traditional public health praxis was for the analog age; in the digital age, we need government planning, advanced technology, mass surveillance, and the ability to control human beings the way a software company manages personal computers.
‘Most people have no idea how such a rich and smart person could be so dim on essential matters of complex cell biology. Hacking the human body, improving it with uploads and downloads, is surely a more ominous challenge than inventing and managing man-made computers. So herein I try to present the reasons for Gates’s way of thinking.’
https://brownstone.org/articles/why-bill-gates-is-pivoting-on-existing-covid-vaccines/
Gates is evil, but hardly dim.
I think once a week would be optimal. In fact they could offer a voucher with every edition of Saturday’s Guardian.
Forget that, if they covered the pages in that vaccine filled nano tube technology they patented a few years ago Graun readers can be boosted while reading every edition!
And do us all a favour at the same time.
And a face nappy!
Alf Cannan, Chief Minister of the Isle of man.
“The new mutation could be a potential trigger point, meaning we have to act and take steps to protect our community. There is still much we do not know about the Omicron variant, the most crucial is that question about how effective the vaccine will be in offering us protection.
The greatest concern is that the virus has mutated to such an extent that our immune systems, trained by the vaccine, no longer recognise the virus and no longer trigger an immune response. This sort of variant is known as vaccine escape variant.“
Don’t tell me…his solution is harsh lockdown for at least 100 days whilst our heroes Pfizer “tweak” the jabs to be effective?
The vaccine has failed, Roll out the Vaccine!
He’s got himself in a right mess with that statement 🤣.
Incredible. Did he come up with that crap by himself?
Naughty boy.
“…’phone for you Alf. It’s Bill…”
No. That’s not the greatest concern. That’s a near certainty.
There are other risks that are greater than the risk of vaccine escape, but those three will do for now.
Mutations are random, this agenda is calculated and predictable. Omicron is nothing more than a cover for vaccine adverse effects and justification to tighten the noose again.
Yes I totally agree, especially when they have already mentioned that the Moronic, sorry Omicron variant could affect the heart. How convenient given the side effects of the vaccine….
I’ve started swearing. I’ve never sworn before in my life. I’m 69.
F00king he11 James.. steady on there, we’ve only just started, you’ll be like a trooper by springtime..
Firkin’ classic!
…..I was just thinking to myself….the language on this site has deteriorated since I first joined….
Presumably because everyone here is more and more incredulous at how this flu is being dealt with.
The Times is well and truly captured.
Third-worst of the MSM when it comes to Coronabollox (after the BBC and Guardian – not actually sure which of those takes first place).
The Independent is right up there also
And the Daily Fail!
That’s not quite as bad as the others – particularly below the line, where the commenters can often see through the bollox. That doesn’t happen much on the Guardian or BBC where they all cheer on the latest dystopian announcement and demand even more dystopian measure.
The best of them (or perhaps least-worst) is the Telegraph which does sometimes have sensible articles. Spectator can be OK too.
I’m not sure it matters, they seem to exist in a kind of toxic symbiosis, that feed by their consumers in academia, education especially school staff rooms, the media, and North London.
Up until recently I was still guiltily buying it on a Saturday, mainly for the crossword and puzzles, but am pleased to say this is no longer the case.
Their science editor, Tom Whipple, is a pure zealot and a lot of the columnists have shown staggering smugness, arrogance and, of course, ignorance.
I miss the puzzles but feel a lot cleaner now.
Likewise I bought a newspaper for the crossword for a while but gave up a long time ago as it was so full of propaganda – am so glad I did. Now I just occasionally glance at the headlines just to see what lies are being fed.to the masses.
It always was..
I think you’re a few years late with that observation!
So, what’s changed in the 3 months since they couldn’t approve it on the balance of risk/benefit? The Omicron variant can’t be a factor – they can’t possibly know enough about it at this stage.
ADE – that or they really are out to bump people off.
As we’re heading into winter, continental Europe is seeing probably the worst wave so far, even though that shouldn’t have happened because of the wonderful vaxx. Particularly in high vaxx countries, like NL.
I think we are seeing here right now what Amanuensis referred to yesterday in data he’s seen. It looks like at the start of a wave the unvaxxed are hit first, being the ones leading in infections and hospitalisations, then after about a month it goes about 50-50, then after a few more weeks more infections and hospitalisations in the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. ‘Cases’ were higher in unvaxxed in NL from August to October (mainly children), went almost 50-50 by end October, now are 50-50 with vaxx rising, hospitalisations have been trending the same way. With vaxx rate of 90% in over 50s and 85% in over 12s, it’s hard to explain why the NL infection/hospitalisation rate is worse now than it was in January 2021 – and no peak in sight.
How hard it must be to pretend to be concerned about the moronic variant while at the same time thanking your lucky stars for this fabulous get-out clause.
But was that related to the timing of the “vaccines”? In this case, if the damage has already been done it’s possible that the spiked could be most affected right from the beginning.
IMO TPTB know there’s trouble coming and are trying a ‘double or nothing’ with the boosters.
here’s to hoping
“The Omicron variant can’t be a factor – they can’t possibly know enough about it at this stage.”
Yes – science, as it used to be practised before March 2020 would suggest that. But. as science, as we formerly knew it, has flown out the window…..anything goes.
Unless THEY DO. Because…
In March this year the results of a trial, in which the UK took part, of the SaNOtize Nitric Oxide nasal spray were published that showed that it ‘kills’ 95% of the virus in 24hours and 99% in 72hours. But the bastards in government here have left us dangling and untreated while the commercial product Enovid is available over the counter in Israel.
From everything I read the still experimental mRNA vaccines are both dangerous and ineffective, so, until they let us have a proper virus killer they can shove their experimental vaccines up their collective arsehole.
Is that available over here yet? Last I checked it was only available in Israel and some other far-flung country.
Until the MHRA grant an EUA it won’t be available. So, picture Hell freezing over, Boris acknowledging all his children etc etc.
Bill Gates’ bungs to these medical watchdogs has surely paid dividends.
What’s known about Wei Shen Lim? Had some funding from Pfizer, based in Nottingham, anything more?
I apologise if others have said this, but the more I think about it, this is a way for covering up the apparent dangers to the heart from the current vaccines. Surprise surprise, this ‘new’ variant causes arrhythmia and blood clots, so now a convenient scapegoat has been ‘created’ for the crappy vaccines. But what is even more frightening is the thought that worldwide co-operation at a high and secret level would be necessary to do this. So, I sometimes think I am being exceptionally paranoid or else what is happening is more than unthinkable.
I am a person who used to scoff at conspiracy theories. I don’t anymore.
We may be paranoid, but you can be certain that bastards are out to get us. The only matter of contention is ‘why?’
That’s easy.. vaccine passports lead to digital ID and linked digital banking + social credit system = the all new normal.. total slavery..
They might just want us dead. It’s been a long held dream of some of the global elites that Planet Earth should be emptied of its seething masses.
In 1980 the Georgia Guidestones were erected and the first of the ten inscriptions (commandments?) says that humanity should be maintained at under 500 million. That would of course require an enormous population reduction. Is a planned reduction now getting underway? Personally I wouldn’t bet against it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=georgia+guidestones+documentary
One has only to read about the Manhattan Project to see how conspiracies can be enacted with none of the parties knowing the part they play.
I am sure most of the players are in the dark. Or told reassuring lies eg there will be an “antidote” to the vaxxines.
Which is also why they need to make the control group as small as possible.
We’re nearly out of conspiracy theories.
It would have been very surprising if they decided it should be done after 9 months rather than 6 months because, you know, science!
It is very worrying to hear a government minister tell us that it will be at least 2 weeks before they know enough about omicron to work out how dangerous it is but they do know that you need more vaccine to protect yourself from it.
One of the governments advisor said yesterday:
-first 2 shots to prevent hospitalisation
-booster to prevent transmission
I wonder where these people are pulling off stuff like this.
“Having a booster dose of the vaccine will help to increase our level of protection…”
Who is Wei Shen Lim talking about? Over 99% are already protected courtesy of their natural immune system and the vaccines killed off most of the remaining 1% when rolled out last winter.
Yes, yes I know…it has nothing to do with a virus.
I can’t understand the shock horror this has been greeted with either (assuming it’s true) because no one has died from it and it sounds pretty harmless. We should be having covid parties to pass this one around!
Javid was rationalising this by saying it has only attacked young people so far – and the elderly might be more susceptible. Pure speculation.
lockdown the country because a non medic says “it might”
insanity.
That, I think, was in reports from Soweto. Anyone know what the range of demographics is there? Are there a disproportionate number of young people and very few old?
Yes.
Also relatively few vaccinated — AFAICT the vaccinated are overrepresented in their hospitalisations.
Well Jabbit would say that wouldn’t he.. he wants the kids jabbed..
It’s mostly down to the media. They love historically trying to make the latest variant is super deadly and going to wipe out the whole of humanity. I say we should boycotte the media, stop watching the news, buying newspapers and going to news websites.
This is insanity. 3 months?!? This is based on antibodies waning? Since when did antibodies become the objective of vaccination? It’s well understood that antibodies to an infection wane after an illness. The purpose of vaccination should be to train the immune system.
How does your 3 month gene therapy immunity stack up against my far-right QAnon “natural” immunity? Yeah, I think that’s holding up pretty well. I’m going to stick with that, thanks.
If you keep pounding the immune system to create antibodies like this, it will never create the T Cells and long term memory it needs to combat the virus or any other virus. You will have a completely deranged and depleted immune system that won’t know its ass from its elbow and you’ll create an airborne, vaccine induced auto-immune disease in a population with precious little immune system left.
If you wanted to get a population to wipe itself out through its own trusting stupidity, this would be the way to go.
And the majority of the sheep are happily going along with it
The question is does the jab PREVENT proper immunity?
Do unjabbed people have better immunity from re-infection than jabbed and caught COVID?
I can’t find any decent data on this. It’s frustrating that we’re always talking in terms of vaxxed vs unvaxxed. The real separation needs to be vaxxed with no prior immunity, unvaxxed with no prior immunity, then same again but with prior immunity.
It’s what you would expect from a real clinical trial with a control group.
But the long-term study didn’t have enough time to study long term effects.
and they unblinded the trials, meaning that they can never be completed.
2 months of data, according to Peter McCullough.
After that it is anyone’s guess.
Long term study? There hasn’t even been adequte short to medium term testing.
No funding available for that trial I imagine.
Quite. And that’s despite covid costing gazillions of pounds for the pathetic Track’n’Trace alone.
There will be no real clinical trials.
Re your last paragraph – that is the plan.
They’re at risk of creating high-zone tolerance / hyperimmunisation.
“… early evidence suggested that higher antibody levels may offer better protection against the variant.”
Worth listening to Sucharit Bhakdi on the role of antibodies in the immune system:
https://doctors4covidethics.org/the-covid-vaccines-were-designed-to-fail-nov-25th-2021/
What arrant nonsense. Same lies next winter? And repeat.
Politics. Not health.
France started this shortening of time between jabs earlier this month, when completely arbitrarily it decided everyone with a Janssen jab had to have a booster adfter 28 days of the original jab. Even the FDA/CDC only say at a minimum of 2 months.
It was only a matter of time before everyone joined in.
It is beginning to look like Austria may be turning over (see worldometers), if so that follows the pattern of Bulgaria and Romania which last time I looked had the two lowest vaccination rates in Europe.
Ah well it was the lockdown wot did it!
Ukraine is over the worst, and maybe Russia too, both very “hesitant” societies.
Original SARS died out on it’s own in 2013 so why are we surprised?
The majority of covid waves look the same — about a month from start to the peak, and then another month for the way down.
It doesn’t seem to matter what people do — lockdowns, surge vaccinations, facemasks, etc — the pattern is surprisingly consistent.
The one complication is that high levels of vaccination appear to result in a markedly higher post-wave plateau stage than if there is low vaccination.
What do you mean “turning over”?
Looks like Djokovic is standing strong. Hero. Man of honour. Only Unity Saves The Serbs.
Prior I didn’t like him but his recent behaviour clearly put him as my #1 sports person.
So the immunosuppressed are to have a fourth jab… then it will be everyone else in March then fifth dose will start being rolled out in June/ July. Sixth dose for some will be before the end of 2022.
Didn’t the JCVI only a few months ago suggest that there was negligible benefit for youngsters to take the vaccine and therefore advised against it. Now a second is fine. This country is corrupt as fuck!
Its amazing how that advice can be reversed when you replace those who dare to question the government.
Government scientist who questioned ‘risk-benefit ratio’ of vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds leaves role on Covid advisory board
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is ‘refreshing‘ the membership of its Covid subcommittee as Professor Robert Dingwall, a critic of giving the shots to children, leaves the body.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9873785/Scientist-questioned-risk-benefit-ratio-vaccinating-12-15-year-olds-leaves-JCVI-role.html
Anyone listen to the latest Aubrey Marcus podcast? It’s bloomin great!
We have a “vaccine” resistant variant.
Quick everyone get a booster with the same Wuhan original slop as last time!
Sounds like a great way to induce original antigenic sin to me.
It is remarkable isn’t it.
The likes of JCVI and co., are little more than modern day drug pushers. First one’s free and then you get to pay… for ever!
A bit long but very informative. Philip McMillan in discussion with 4 holders of advanced (PhD) degrees.
All 4 more or less agree (1) Covid Vaccines are poor. (2) Vaccines are driving variants
(3) Auto-immune diseases are likely (4) Vaccination in the teeth of a pandemic was a big mistake,
Omicron anagram
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncomir
An oncomir (also oncomiR) is a microRNA (miRNA) that is associated with cancer. MicroRNAs are short RNA molecules about 22 nucleotides in length. Essentially, miRNAs specifically target certain messenger RNAs (mRNAs) to prevent them from coding for a specific protein. The dysregulation of certain microRNAs (oncomirs) has been associated with specific cancer forming (oncogenic) events. Many different oncomirs have been identified in numerous types of human cancers
And we’re the nutters?
No offence to a venerable DS member, but… Brachiopod. Reverse evolution?
To Life immortal ! (reference to shite 90s Sci Fi series)
I’m with Laurence Fox on this – did my resesearch and decided not to have the jab – judging by the side-effects of the jab I think I made the right decision – I would rather go through having the perfectly normal symptoms caused by the virus for a few days than the abnormal and worrying side-effects caused by the jab ..
He isn’t important enough to be given saline solution!
“No complaints”. Why not?
“but what is the science of that?” Err, this has never been about science, and exactly how difficult would it have been to discover that there have been no studies on the effects of jab mix-n-match?
cancel
I’m a bit behind sorry: now the govt says children who are at practically zero risk from covid need to now have two initial jabs then be injected with a booster jab all within the space of 6 months in order to save the NazHiS? And they need boosters for a new variant of a virus the jabs don’t even stop transmission of, and in respect of which the virus is a negligible risk anyway.
I’m confused. I’m not thick (v good degree from an old uni; retrained as a lawyer, good grades at law school; 15 years negotiating complex transactions going into 100s of millions of pounds at a time in a variety of sectors).
I must be missing something. Please enlighten me.
It’s just a conspiracy…
It’s called GENOSIDE.
I will enlighten you
Like most of us on here you have a brain which you are using.
Unlike the tossers at Sage who are totally anencaphalic.
Am I alone in thinking that the pretty shitty cold that my wife and I suffered a few weeks back (as did many of our friends as well) might have been the omicron variant? If so, the bird has flown and any new measures are just tokenism to appease the baying (we want Christmas lockdown) mainstream media.
Since any symptom is anything they say now, unless they reclassify it later, you may have had anything or nothing… or Covid.
I think they are just playing on suggestibility. If you are unvaxxed you have probably got a natural immunity to Sars-Cov 19 after two years of it supposedly circulating like mad in the population. Remember coronaviruses are not influenza, which changes its outer coat each year, thus evading the immune system.
Sars coronaviruses are large stable viruses, and you will have cross immunity from your prior exposure. Nothing to worry about.
I have got a nasty chest infection right now, but I don’t for a moment think I have got covid. It is a normal winter virus. I haven’t a clue what to do with a test kit, I have never even seen one, have no idea how to use one, and I intend to keep it that way.
“The JCVI said that both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines can be given as a booster for adults, with equal preference given to both.”
So (almost) all 3rd injections in Britain are mRNA?
https://twitter.com/UsforThemUK/status/1465029150914355209
https://usforthem.co.uk/resources/template-letters/
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Dear
Re: Face coverings. NAME AND FORM
I am writing to let you know that my child NAME is not able to wear a face covering. Therefore as stated in the most recent government guidance on face coverings (20th July 2021) is not required to wear one. There are a wide variety of reasons people are exempt from wearing face coverings and it is unlawful to request proof of exemptions. This means that NAME will not be required, or able, to wear a face covering at school, at any time.
I would appreciate it if you and other staff could ensure they are not made to feel uncomfortable or singled out because they are unable to wear a face covering.
Kind regards
How can the JCVI approve a booster shot for 12-15 year olds, when they did not approve the primary injection?
As I remember it Whitty just overruled the JCVI’s medical recommendation, using the non-medical justification of loss of schooling. So how can this “ruling” from the JCVI be valid medically?
It can’t be, they are only following orders. Actually I have heard that excuse before. History repeats itself.
If the truth ever comes out to the whole world one day: will it be a liberation or mass suicide from despair? Roiling revolution, or demonic acceptance of a post-human servitude?
Hopefully liberation coupled by punishment with extreme prejudice.
In medicine more often doesn’t equal better. It isn’t clear why they think more vaccine will be beneficial over these timescales.
I also note that the clinical trials for the boosters used an interval of 9-11 months (IIRC). There’s no scientific evidence supporting a more frequent booster and no understanding of what the consequences will be.
The Kool-Aid is more effective if you drink more!
Dan Wootton in the Daily Fail nails it:
DAN WOOTTON: If we don’t stand up to our hysterical Omicron overlords now then I fear our future as a free people is lost forever
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10254761/DAN-WOOTTON-stand-Omicron-overlords-fear-future-free-people.html
Some great best rated readers comments!
Wasn’t Dan Wootton pro lockdown before?
My impression, reading between the lines, is that the reduction in the time frame for boosters isn’t possible to achieve. The booster roll-out is already slow (difficulty of getting an appointment, no local GPs doing it, jab fatigue etc) so speeding it up is like flogging a dead horse. So I’m guessing that the 3 month booster for the under 40s is just a way of getting more jabs into more agile, mobile arms. Whether that is simply to sell more doses or it is to get the young more jabbed up, I don’t know.
The JCVI: The best vaccines advice money can buy.
Is there any public institution left that isn’t completely corrupted by Big Pharma money?
Fuck the jab
Reuters reporting Japan is at 1% of its COVID peak cases and falling. India is at 3% of its peak and falling. What did these countries do? Ditch vaccine mandates for ivermectin. Since April 28, India medical officials started providing hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to its massive population. As India is the major pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world, they were ready for this massive drug distribution. MIRACULOUSLY!, COVID cases have plummeted quickly since then. Meanwhile, all “first world” countries in Europe are reporting a rise in cases. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Is anybody organising against this? Where do I go to find anyone that I can join with to mount an opposition?
I’m learning more and more first hand evidence of problems relating to the heart with this jab.
Direct quote: ‘chest pains significantly worse after 2nd Jab’
Anecdotal evidence from practising physiotherapists suggesting numerous complaints of painful left shoulders after jabs (mild heart attack???)
Footballers and professional sports people dropping like flies.
What is REALLY going on?????
I think the vaxxines are working rather too well, and too quickly. The initial bioweapon should have caused more deaths in the first epidemic wave, to cover the extra deaths later on from the vaxxine.
Now we are left with a rather unimpressive “pandemic” no-one is really afraid of, and vaxxines that are scything through professional footballers on the field.
No chance of pretending these deaths are covid. The genociders have no cover left.
I hope that whistleblowers will come out. People need to spill the beans quick to escape the inevitable retribution that is coming.
Agree 👏
As well as the Dr Sucharit Bhakdi video posted by someone earlier in this thread, this is a good 5 minute video if you haven’t seen it:
https://doctors4covidethics.org/british-medical-journal-editor-peter-doshi-speaks-out/
I think they are maiming people en masse and making them more vulnerable to having a terminal illness or fatal event over time and with each successive vaccination.
Correct.
What they aren’t doing is killing vast numbers, yet… The fact is you can easily hurt people without killing them. People are pretty tough. I think at this rate however more people will start dying.
Depopulation.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/rfk-jr-alex-newman-fauci-gates-covid/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=971ded41-0157-4e56-8da2-c558e804e5ce
RFK, Jr. Tells The New American: Fauci Has ‘Dark History’ That Must Be Exposed
Anthony Fauci is the architect of agency capture within the public health agencies.
He has orchestrated the transformation of HHS [U.S. Department of Health and Human Services] from a public health agency to an incubator for pharmaceutical products and a promoter of the Big Pharma agenda.
He’s the J. Edgar Hoover of public health. He’s managed to stay for 50 years in office, I show in my book, not by actually accomplishing any measurable successes in public health — public health has declined dramatically under his regime — but rather by serving the interests of pharmaceutical companies — by helping make this country the most pharmaceutical dependent nation in the world.
We take three times more pharmaceutical drugs than the average in other western nations.
We pay the highest prices for those drugs, and we have by far the worst health outcomes in the entire developed world. We’re 79th in the world in terms of our total health outcomes.
This generation of children that has come of age during Tony Fauci’s regime — since 1984 — is the sickest generation in history.
When he came into NIH [National Institutes of Health] chronic disease rates [in our children] in our country were around 6%. Today they’re 54%.
By chronic disease, I mean, not just obesity, but neurodevelopmental diseases like ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, narcolepsy, Tourette’s syndrome, autism.
Autism has gone from one in every 10,000 people in my generation — which it still is today — to one in every 34 kids in my children’s generation.
I am in the process of reading this book and it is VERY scary.
How Fauci is still in this position of power I don’t know.
Seeing his discussion with senator paul rand I can only conclude that he has hsd serious botox to prevent sweating.
His evilness surpasses that of hitler and stslin combined.
I see former international banker Sajid Javid is now referring to the fourth shot as the booster, to be had on top of three primary doses. Let’s see if the fifth shot becomes the booster, on top of the four primary shots. I bet they’re drawing straws for who gets to be the one to tell the plebs it’s jabs every few weeks forever or face higher risk than unvax.
The most disturbing thing from these wildly disturbed madmen is “vaccine passport don’t need a vote”. They intend to bring in a mandatory ID system with no democratic oversight. Insanity prevails.
“Professor Wei Shen Lim, Chairman of the JCVI said: “Having a booster dose of the vaccine will help to increase our level of protection against the Omicron variant.”
Will it though?
“But our scientists are learning more hour by hour, and it does appear that Omicron spreads very rapidly, and can be spread between people who are double vaccinated.”
Boris. Gov website.
Oops!
Didn’t the JCVI recently change membership and now they’re in favour of everything they were against.
Btw, why do they think it’s OK to shorten the time between vaxx jags. It’s not a booster it’s a third vaxx.
There are also many medications that can increase bloot clot risk such as the pill for women. Does anyone else remember that they initially advised that iif you are taking ANY medication whatsoever then you shouldn’t be taki g the jags
Why on earth are these boosters being shoved down people’s throats when they simply do not work. Cardiac (serious) adverse events abound post vaxx. If a person wants to take the risk, by all means take the booster. Many of us have declined and never been healthier or happier.
More child abuse from the Johnson cabal. The only consolation is we all know how nonces are dealt with when they end up doing stir.