Toby has a piece in the Spectator today on why Neil Young was wrong to pick a fight with Spotify over Joe Rogan daring to interview two medical experts who have expressed concerns about the coronavirus vaccines.
Thankfully, Toby says, almost no one has rallied to Young’s banner – though don’t go thinking Spotify is some principled champion of free speech.
When Neil Young issued his threat to Spotify – get rid of Joe Rogan’s podcast or remove my music from your platform – he was probably hoping a chorus of other musical artists would weigh in behind him. After all, Spotify paid a reported $100 million to Rogan for the exclusive rights to host his podcast and, given that each episode attracts 11 million listeners, it must be quite a money spinner for the music streaming service. I’m sure Young’s music does alright on Spotify, but from a purely commercial point of view it was a no-brainer.
Thankfully, only Joni Mitchell seems to have joined Young’s boycott so far, and that’s the most significant thing about this episode, not Spotify’s decision to side with Rogan. Some commentators are hailing Spotify for its principled stance, but its track record on free speech isn’t great. Plenty of controversial podcasters have been removed from the platform and when Rogan transferred his back catalogue to the service many of his more controversial episodes were not made available at the company’s insistence.
Perhaps the lack of support from other musicians is because Neil Young has chosen an odd hill to die on, Toby suggests.
Young took the stance he did because he believes Rogan is ‘spreading fake information about vaccines’, according to a now deleted letter. This, he said, is ‘causing death’ by prompting some people not to get vaccinated or boosted. What appears to have pushed Young over the edge was Rogan’s decision to interview two prominent vaccine sceptics, Dr Robert Malone and Dr Peter McCullough. But this is an odd hill to die on. As Vinay Prasad, an Associate Professor of Epidemiology and Biostatistic, pointed out in a piece for UnHerd:“‘Rogan is not a scientist, and, like everyone else, he has his biases. But he is open-minded, sceptical, and his podcast is an important forum for debate and dialogue. It is not enough, moreover, to simply dismiss Malone and McCullough as conspiracy theorists. They are controversial and polarising figures, but they do have real credentials. Malone is a physician who has worked in molecular biology and drug development for decades, while McCullough was, until recently, an academic cardiologist and researcher.”
Toby goes on to make a plea for free speech on the grounds that people who are wrong on some things are often right on others, and besides, “sunlight is the best disinfectant”.
Worth reading in full, naturally.
Stop Press: In a sign of how seriously other musicians are taking the boycott, James Blunt has jokingly threatened to release new music if Spotify doesn’t remove Joe Rogan’s podcast.
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Leftists are so dumb.
I’ll get really concerned if I hear that Dana is threatening Spotify too.
Dana is a hard hitter, a “go ahead … make my day” type of gal. A shoot first, ask questions later kind of lady.
She’d ravage a man and then toss him aside like an empty soy milk carton. When she first entered the European Parliament, they had to install spittoons and change the tobacco regulations so she could do her chewing.
She’s just the kind of woman the people of the EU need as an MEP.
Because the true spirit of rock and roll was always conforming to the dictats of authority, silencing dissenting voices, and soppy virtue signalling.
When The Who sang “hope I die before I get old”, they could have been thinking of something like this display from Neil Young.
He himself said something like it’s better to burn than fade away. In his case he may have had a point, especially when he will be remembered now for siding with an establishment intent on coercing people including children to be injected against their will.
“it’s better to burn than fade away“
Wasn’t that the Kurgan?
Old Man – A side
Needle and the Damage Done – B side
D’oh
Now 5 or 6 cases of fans dying or being hospitalised for cardiac arrest at professional football matches this season.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/17481495/fulham-oldham-wycombe-medical-emergencies-players-pitches/
The numbers are only going one way….how will they try to conceal them?
It’s not stopping…From today
35 year old football player from Kent dies of heart attack in Dubai
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-footballer-dies-after-heart-26081907#comments-wrapper
Spanish journalist Judith Gómez dies suddenly aged 28
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2022/01/29/judith-gomez-dies-suddenly-28/
“Neil Young’s Boycott of Spotify Over Joe Rogan is a Mistake”
A “mistake” in what sense?
Last week most people hadn’t heard of or had forgotten about Neil Young. Now everybody’s talking about him and apparently he has an album out.
Sometimes the bad guys do win by doing bad things.
Yeah, except people don’t buy albums anymore, they stream music. Through Spotify mainly, it seems. So, maybe not the best thought out publicity stunt, if that is what it was.
Yeah, except that people who have always bought albums like to have albums.
And I’m sure all of the people who whom that still applies will both buy that manky old tramp’s new dirges on a piece of plastic.
Yes but we have also all now seen his revent photo………..hardly and enticement to listen. Very sad what old age can do.
Ditto Joni.
McCullough and Malone are polarising only if you are in a state of psychosis. Otherwise all they really do is state what the data shows.
That is all they have ever done – but those brought up on Fake News and seeking ‘safe space ‘to shelter in can’t face ‘truth ‘- they aren’t used to the cruel hateful exposure to reality .
Fortunately for them, Suckerborg is building a simulcra woke world of digital hyped realty for them to hide in.
Calling them conspiracy theorists are beyond belief. But of course you have to stigmatise them so public can stay in the psychosis.
Malone and McCullough “are controversial and polarizing figures.” Hmmm.
One is “a physician who has worked in molecular biology,” the other “an academic cardiologist and researcher.”
Has Toby listened to any of their in-depth interviews? How to explain his dismissing such brilliance, accomplishment and courage.
Speaking the truth as you find it on the basis of a lifetime’s work and knowledge is now ‘controversial’ and the infantilised, woke immature don’t like it.
Toby makes himself look very woke and foolish by unquestioningly trotting along with the ‘narrative’. The real ‘controversy’ ought to be the fake news MSM propaganda misrepresenting and cancelling criticism of the vaccines. to serve the interests of Globalist politicians, power hungry Billionaires and Pharma Companies.
James Blunt, oh that’s a shame. I did have a little respect for him. Never mind eh.
Did you read it properly??
That’s it then. I am now boycotting Neil Young (whoever he is… )
I think people should know who owns 50% of Neil Young’s music.
Loves James Blunts humour.
Also which part of the discussion did NY think was misinformation ?
Good to see Blunt has a sense of humour, unlike the other self-regarding po-faced twerp.
I doubt he’s even listened to the interview.
Is a mistake? IS? You mean WAS. The whole thing is done. He got kicked off of Spotify. Game over.
Who is Neil Young? A has-been pseudo-hippy hangover from a past age. who now appears to be fan of Fauci, Soros, Gates and Big Pharma!
Why is this old man’s stupidity even worth a comment?
Tings are getting serious. Joni Mitchell has been dispatched to the front line to help defend the world from anti-vaxxers.
Seriously though, as always, follow the money
https://twitter.com/KweenJosie/status/1487201743666651140
Today’s the day I discovered Joni Mitchell is still alive. Has she even released any music in the past 50 years?
Its all getting a bit confusing ! I know that the Mitchell one is Rock hopper, but Neil Young ? Is he Traffic Cone or Robo bunny ?
Alive? Really? I saw some recent photos of her on the BBC, whilst scanning through the News channels. She didn’t look alive to me!
Paul Joseph Watson sheds some light on the subject …
Rage On Behalf of the Establishment …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbq1VqjlM10&t=147s
Jan 25, 2022: Kees Van Der Pijl: The Virus Crisis is a Fraud & Cover for a Global Political Seizure of Power
“Professor Kees van der Pijl discusses his new book which explains how the virus crisis is a fraud and cover for political seizure of power. The medical emergency is just a pretext for digital identity passport systems. He discusses the players behind this ruling oligarchy whose concentration is unprecedented in history. Elites are using a strategy of tension to subjugate an otherwise unruly global populace which has been on the verge of 1848-style revolution. The medical phase of the coup can turn toward war (e.g. Russia) as another means of consolidating rule. The ruling class believes they have a small window of time to cement their power on the heels of the historic AI revolution. He explains the mechanisms by which the oligarchy is able to impose worldwide regulatory processes on entire continents and how China is cooperating in this ‘ultra-imperialism’ with the West. He’s optimistic that the political project that is Covid can’t go on for much longer, will fall apart, and that they do not yet possess the technology required to roll out a total digital control system. A core group of society is also increasingly rejecting their insane vision of the future.”
https://guadalajarageopolitics.com/2022/01/25/kees-van-der-pijl-the-virus-crisis-is-a-fraud-cover-for-a-global-political-seizure-of-power/
https://odysee.com/@GeopoliticsAndEmpire:f/KeesVanDerPijl-Virus-Seizure-Of-Power:2
Interview about KVDP’s ideas. Largely encouraging, thinks the “elites” cannot control the change and chaos they have brought about.
Young’s music is owned by Hipgnosis, who are owned by Blackrock, who are major investors in Pfizer.
He’s had many
satanicmasonic album covers over the years too. Mind you, it’s normal these days.It sounds like he has chosen his moment to fade away. It seems that he has not taken his own advice. I certainly won’t miss his particularly music free version of whatever genre it is he aspires to commercialise.
IIRC , Young had an issue with Spotify over streaming quality a few years ago, so there may be a bit of a running feud going on. Either way, he comes out of it badly in terms of reputation, IMO.
My irony alarm just blew a fuse….
Ahem….
Banning abuse is not censorship.
A literate person would know this.
LOL! My irony fuse-box just exploded.
You want to decide what people can or cannot say: censorship.
You called me illiterate: abuse.
Yup…..Anything short of publishing someone’s address is free speech in my book. ‘incitement’, cussing, all free speech. sp!ked Online would agree in a comment section, at least when they had one!
Judging by your standard, not letting Nazis and Communists use your house to broadcast from is censorship.
In fact, this site is private property and the owners can set rules on it
A literate person, one who understood the meaning of words, would know this
I don’t think it was this that pushed Young over the edge. I’d suggest that what actually pushed this over the edge was the massive audience that Rogan’s show with these two people reached.
When the “vaccine” pushers saw how popular this particular podcast was, they rolled out easily manipulated curmudgeons like Young to try and suppress it.
Another popular US podcaster, Del Bigtree of The Highwire, recently announced at a live event that Fauci, et al., would be gone after with Nuremberg-type proceedings, and then added that some of the people in the MSM would also be held to account in this manner.
Two MSM journalists commented on this. They were not happy about it, and like two entitled spoilt children, they ran-down Del Bigtree’s podcast. But you could very easily detect the fear in their voices.
They were like two idiots that knew they’d done wrong, but were sat there telling each other that everything would be alright.
The MSM journalists have played a major part in this genocidal fraud; they have to be gone after and held to account.
To the tune of Joni Mitchell’s “Both Sides Now”
Masks and tasks like staying home,
And leaving Grandma on her own,
And eating carry out, alone,
The virus-fearer’s way.
But now my friends are going out
The CDC lost all its clout
Come next year Congress is about
to make that Fauci pay.
We’ve done this s**t for two years now
We’ve done such harm, I don’t know how
Our children, when they do recall,
Can ever forgive us, at all.
Joe Rogan offers sceptics news,
His podcast has a billion views,
Neil Young said Spotify much choose,
And I see things his way.
Spotify looked at their Excel,
The bottom line, and said “Oh, Well”
“Neil Young, we think, can go to h**l,
Joe Rogan gets us paid.””
I used to stand against the Man,
For freedom, love, but now I can,
Without a blush, forbid you all
To see both side of life, at all.
This is precisely why copyright should have a lifetime of only ten years.
Decades long monopolies serve nobody but those who control the property.
Aging singers make last chance bid to boost flagging careers by virtue signalling.
I hope Neil Young will remember / a Southern man don’t need him around, anyhow… Lol.
Credit to Lynyrd Skynyrd.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greenwald-pressure-campaign-remove-joe-rogan-spotify-reveals-liberal-religion-censorship
Greenwald on this and left censorship in general.
https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/27/the-needle-and-the-damage-done/
Best one on this sofar. A metaphor for Boomers vs GenX.
Just a couple of points: we need to avoid plunging into wokery and dismissing an artists entire corpus because of some belief they held of which we disapprove. It seems to me that Neil and Joni are just reacting to what other people have written about Joe Rogen – I doubt if either of them have actually watched any of the podcasts. What is ironic is that if you watch Peter McCullough or Robert Malone three things stand out: their total integrity: their respect for real, not corrupt science: and their overwhelming concern for the good of humanity in the face of a dire attack upon it. Strange how life-affirming Joni’s songs are: I think we can forgive this lapse for that reason alone!
Not in the case of Neil Whitehouse, otherwise known as Mary Young.
He’s a hardcore green, opposed to fossil fuels. As such, North Korea is his ideal.
Paul Jospeh Watson joined the dots for us.
Why on Earth should an old anti-establishment rocker suddenly turn pro-establishment?
Neil Young’s music is half-owned by Hipgnosis.
A major stakeholder in Hipgnosis is The Blackstone Group.
Chairman of Blackstone Stephen A. Schwarzman is a regular attendee of the WEF.
The Blackstone Group recently appointed Jeffrey B. Kindler former Chairman and CEO of Pfizer, as a senior advisor. Guess what his advice was?
Neil Young is a green, opposed to fossil fuels.
It’s consistent that a hippie should be a green. No dots to connect.
This is who he has always been, he just didn’t show it until recently.
I’ve no idea what Spotify is, but I congratulate it in choosing to retain Joe Rogan over Neil Young.
Paul Young has aged badly since his 80’s UK chart hits
Rockin’ in the Free World, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and the Slippery Slope to Censorship. https://mauihawaiitheworld.wordpress.com/2022/01/30/rockin-in-the-free-world-neil-young-joni-mitchell-and-the-slippery-slope-to-censorship/
GOOD & GOOD RIDDANCE. For once They cab Bloody Cancel Themselves!! & Well Done Spotify to tell Young, the Old Fxxx to Sod Off
Meanwhile, Neil Young’s songs appear to be available on the Chinese version of Spotify, QQ Music.
That’s the China that murders political prisoners, runs vast concentration camps for Uighurs, and allowed international flights to continue for days after it shut Wuhan airport to internal traffic.
But that’s apparently of no concern to brave, principled Neil Young.