Passengers must continue to wear masks on London’s buses, trains and trams, Mayor Sadiq Khan has said, despite the Government dropping mask requirements elsewhere. While it will no longer be legally enforceable from January 26th – the police will no longer be able to fine you – it will remain a condition of carriage, so TfL can prevent entry or kick you off. The BBC has more.
Earlier, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the end of Plan B pandemic restrictions, including scrapping the legal requirement for mask-wearing on public transport, in shops and schools.
But Mr. Khan says passengers must continue to don a face covering as a condition of carriage, due to the continuing threat of Omicron.
Some 30% of Londoners are unvaccinated.
The restrictions introduced in December also encouraged working from home and mandated Covid passes for some major events.
After examining the latest data, the Mr. Johnson told the Commons that the restrictions would end on January 26th.
But Mr. Khan said he wanted Londoners to continue to mask up, as “sadly this is not the end of our fight against the virus”.
He said: “If we have learnt anything from this pandemic, it is that we must not get complacent and undo all our hard work and sacrifices.
“That’s why face coverings will remain a condition of carriage on TfL services.
“I’m asking everyone in our capital to do the right thing and continue to wear a face covering when travelling on TfL services to keep us all protected and to prevent further restrictions from being necessary later down the line.”
Does Khan really believe that the requirement to wear a mask on public transport has sent Omicron into decline, or is he just making a cynical political calculation? I hope it’s the latter as at least then he can make the cynical calculation the other way once he realises the wind has changed. My fear is that he really believes the fairy story that filthy face rags stop Covid outbreaks.
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Would love to see this little ugly freak try to persuade a load of Millwall fans on a train to wear a muzzle
he wouldn’t be on a train. He’d be in a Zil lane.
Don’t have to go that far.
In the end it’s a numbers game.
If most people wear the mask and a few don’t, it’s quite easy to call them out.
If even a substantial a minority, let alone a majority, don’t follow the rule, as is likely, then the Tube staff won’t bother.
I think that as far as public transport is concerned, including air travel, now that they have made mask wearing the norm, I think it will in future, like it or not (I loathe it) be a condition of travel.
Yes. Airlines and airports are not renown for dropping rules once they are imposed. My passport comes up for renewal soon but I’m not sure I’ll bother given the rules attached to flights, EuroStar and the fact nowhere looks particularly appealing to visit at present and probably for the foreseeable future. I’m not normally one for wanting businesses to fail but in this case I won’t be overly bothered if the air industry struggles.
And it’s nothing to do with ‘a virus’ – just a method of making sure people comply to ‘authority’. Sit up! Beg! Roll over! Let me stick this cotton bud up your bum!
Giving in so easily! Just what they want to see,
Stop accepting what is wrong.
If a substantial minority does that, Tube staff can’t bother. Let’s say they’d need 5 minutes to deal with each non-compliant individual (certainly much too little), handling 100 of them would take 8 man-hours.
Which makes no sense at all! You’re either required to wear one or not.
The only way it makes sense is if you forget about what used to be the distinction between a public service and a private-sector company.
If I say that everyone I allow to sit in my garden must wear a stripy hat, and then someone fails to follow my rule, then I am allowed to require them to leave. It used to be common knowledge that if I were some idiot such as the leader of a local council, a mayor or a traffic warden or something, then obviously I would NOT have such a right to impose a similar rule on people who are walking along a public pavement, or using a public library or bus service.
But that epoch has now gone.
Cf. Benito Mussolini’s definition of fascism:
No it’s not.
Benito Mussolini’s definition of fascism is “Everything inside the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”
regardless of a definition of fascism, taking public health measures is not it.
You people just learn slogans from each other and repeat without knowing what you are saying.
These are not ‘public health measures’.
Same with vaxx passports. Brought in by HMG and now they say they are no longer legally required, but that private businesses can use them.
Any ‘certificate’ to show you’re “recovering from Covid” or have “tested negative” is, as far as I’m concerned, a ‘Vaxx Pass’.
You can’t leave/re-enter the country without one.
The Passenger Locator Form is also a kind of ‘Vaxx Pass’.
It’s all ‘Covid papers’. And it’s all a curtailment of your right to travel.
“Stakeholder capitalism” and ‘inclusive capitalism’ advocated by Lynn Rothschild and adopted by the WEF involves devolving responsibility for controlling the population onto co-opted Global Corporates who make their own rules which increasingly will replace universal laws – this is what they are now sliding into place under the noses of the oblivious plebs.
The ‘legitimacy’ of the mandate now gone, then with it goes any ‘legitimacy’ for the TFL mask condition of carriage.
Please, please, let it be that a significant amount of people do not comply. Let’s see how far TFL are prepared to go when it comes to it.
WA**ER!!!!!!!!!
Did you us up much mental energy thinking of this pithy comment?
Sadiq Khan ain’t worth any mental energy.
It’s only a condition of carriage if you don’t show courage!
Weirdly, throughout this whole farce, the tube is the one place where I am meant to be masked where I have felt the least self conscious about not being masked.
Better than shops, better than the hairdresser, better than anywhere. Maybe because I believe I am surrounded by people who think Kahn is a wa**er.
A condition of carriarge is part of contract law. BTP have no powers to enforce a contract. Providing you are civil, the TfL employee cannot remove you from the transport system; to touch you or use force would be common assault.
Another 4 years of this guy? hard to know what to believe. Anecdotally I hear that sub 50% of people on the tube have been wearing masks.. Guess it depends which tube at what time of day though,
I was on the tube a couple of months back when mask mandate was in and only about 20 percent of peeps were wearing masks
Before the £200 fine, definitely. When the fines came in compliance rose to around 90%, although lower after a football match
It will quickly drop again to sub-50%.
Some people definitely do believe the fairy story about filthy rags stoping aerosol borne viruses. My husband works with one (Cambridge educated, nonetheless). He thinks masks should stay on trains, FOREVER.
Why does he think this works? I have no idea. Some kind of magical straw-clutching thinking.
They say “it’s common sense”. No, dimwits, it isn’t.
Common Purpose…for the common good, more like.
yep, highly educated people at work claiming the same thing. The worst of them was wearing a mask in his own house and hiding downstairs with the rest of his family upstairs after they finally managed to test positive with their daily nose stabbing.
Is this reverse snobbery..
Proud of your lack of education?
Your post is doomsday cultist balderdash, straight from the Pyongyang news agency.
Have we picked up yet another incarnation of Little Fon?
Looks like it.
The best thing to do is ignore the annoying little tyke.
Never confuse educated with intelligent
Our freedoms are to be restored
Except for
The right to peaceful protest
The right to freedom of speech
The right to enter and leave the country without a medical certificate
Medical confidentiality
The right not to be sent to prison for lengthy periods of time by untrained incompetent magistrates
The right not to be ordered to wear face masks on the tube by a jumped up barrow boy
I’m sure you can think of others
The right to bodily autonomy if you work in the nhs, care, the armed services.
You can add to the above commercial aviation crew… superyacht crew, limo drivers, villa domestic staff… anyone in fact that has to interact with what’s termed jittery UHNW individuals… them mask free you muzzled of course.
This is why this is just all a temporary lull Sandra… until green pass vaxxes for global travel are ditched… it makes no odds whether the brief treat of being face nappy free holds for a few months or not.
The scamdemic narrative collapse still has the momentum to turn real ugly….
https://consentfactory.org/2022/01/18/the-last-days-of-the-covidian-cult/
Yes – the most important of all and the key to all the others!
Which is of course exactly why they are trying to take it down – first they came for the NHS staff and then the rest of us!
Why can’t the sheep see it ?
I’d mandate putting 50 masks on Sadiq. Try breathing now you cretin.
A single bag for life would be the more environmentally friendly choice.
The Mask of Khan!
“Maybe it’s because I’m a Londoner
That I love London so”
An unthinkable image only 40 years ago.
It speaks volumes.
Little Big Man
Is that because he’s an evil totalitarian c**t?
‘If we have learnt anything from this pandemic’ it is that the likes of Khan are nasty little shits.
Surely we knew this before?
Talk is Cheap. He knows there is little chance of the majority abiding by his pronouncements. Masks are just a physical sign of conformity.
Johnson, ‘our NHS data, we know that around 90 per cent of people in intensive care are not boosted’. Never mind that the totally unvaccinated are the minority in intensive care. Our so called leaders really need to start reading and looking at real evidence. Khan “If we have learnt anything from this pandemic, it is that we must not get complacent and undo all our hard work and sacrifices, Patronising fool
They’ve looked at the real evidence and knowingly lied. Never forget or forgive.
Mr Khan.. I’m tired of your constant use of the word ‘pandemic’.. there never was one.. it was a purely fictional event.. but then.. you know that don’t you..
Oh, George, please get with the plot. Your little yellow bar would have been OFF THE SCALE if it hadn’t been for masks, testing, social distancing, the world-beating vaccination and booster programme, Boris, Hancock, Whitty, Valance, Michie, Gates et al. THAT IS WHY IT MUST ALL CONTINUE INDEFINITELY.
:/
Ah a covid denier.
And so far 33 idiots who agree, according to their little thumbs.
No, afraid not, communist troll.
So people why don’t deny covid are communists are they?
With that attitude he could lead a state government over here.
Off topic, but…
Our three major MSM news sites – PerthNow, The West Australian, WA Today – say absolutely nothing about the big news from Boris. These people are more North Korean than North Korea.
Not hard to see why! The UK is now a marked outlier, dropping nearly all restrictions (and by extension vaccine coercion) only weeks after record ‘cases’ – which I’ll bet you did read about in the The West Australian! Something rather odd is going on.
Incidentally, I used to live and work in Northbridge, an area I love – it’s so sad that I will probably never be allowed to set foot in Australia again…
How long since you worked in Northbridge? It’s not looking too great right now, as you might expect.
Well I was designing graphics on a first generation iMac, which means it was 25 years ago. Shit how did that happen?! It’s almost impossible for me to reconcile the things I read about WA these days with the fun, easy going life I lived in Perth.
Hell, we probably crossed paths a few times. I had lunch most Saturdays at Villa Italia, cnr William and Aberdeen. Spent a lot of time in the State Library in those days too.
What happened? Well, Northbridge tried to lift itself out of its rather sleazy image with the sex shops and the brothels but didn’t quite manage it. The brothels are gone but the sex shops remain in James Street. The big car park that was free on weekends got buried under a TAFE college. There are still some interesting stores but overall it looks and feels like a place that has seen much better days.
Ha! yes we probably have – I’ve eaten there! Happy times. Had a place on Palmerston Street. Wonder if I’ll ever be allowed to come back… !
I’m working up a blog post which you might find encouraging. I’ll post in the next Round Up comments.
Looking forward to it!
My Mayor, my hero. I joke of course.
so pre and post mandate NO trace of the virus has ever been detected in London transport. Mayor Kant has publicly stated that the tube is safe. So what’s this all about Alfie ?
If I hadn’t moved from London years ago I’d have moved once he got in as Mayor. What an odious wretch that creature is.
The government could stop this, using Parliament, within a few days.
Imagine waking up in the middle of the night to find Sadiq Khan leaning over you.
Someone photoshop that face to Iznogoud (Haroun El Plassid).
Johnson talks, in desperation to save his own ass, about restrictions being removed. What he doesn’t mention is that the most heinous of all restrictions is about to result in tens of thousands of Doctors, Nurses and other NHS staff being sacked. How can he say restrictions are being lifted when he is breaking at least three Laws and the Nuremburg Code?
Will these lifting of restrictions be irreversible?
You’re joking.
Until the next gain of function creation.
Of course! Until they’re not.
Will the daily sceptic need to be stood down?
I think not.
Good question. Sensible answer.
None of us thinks it’s all over. Only that there are positive signs.
DS will shortly need to expand when the global warming garbage starts pouring forth in the next few weeks.
I see Carrie’s baby daughter got Covid “quite badly” – which if true, is surely unusual. Unless they mean she got a little cold. I wonder whether Carrie’s injection with the novel medical product in pregnancy might possibly have predisposed the embryo to severe infection? Is there a plausible way in which that could happen – some OAS effect?
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110829210821.htm#:~:text=Bleeding%20calf%20syndrome%20(bovine%20neonatal,produce%20platelets%20are%20also%20destroyed.
Initially I thought Boris and the Boris-supporting papers might just be trying to get some sympathy for him. As you say it’s unusual for a baby to get COVID so I wondered if maybe she had some other respiratory infection which was labelled COVID for political purposes.
We don’t know whether vaccination may make the infant more predisposed to respiratory infections but that points to the biggest scandal of all – we are basically doing live testing of the vaccine on millions and millions of pregnant women and their babies with no idea what may happen.
There is no way Nut Nut has had the junk juice.
Ha ha! I attempted to say this in a most careful and measured way, then I read your comment
I just find it so hard to believe that anyone in a public position has had the real thing. Cynical maybe and a bit paranoid. But there would, even if nothing sinister was going on, be a justification for giving a placebo to people in the public eye (just in case!)
This is a very interesting topic. Who knows and who is being played like every other dumbass in town. Who is truly in the picture. As it stands we are to believe that the pregnant wife of the PM – and Royal baby makers – who are all in cahoots with the prime suspects in all this – have been jabbed. But there is an interesting discussion to have because in order for these scams to work, you definitely want as few people as possible to be in on it. So how many know. We know they surround themselves with useful idiots and have done for decades, thanks to the testimony of Yuri Bezmenov for one. I dont think the true power players see idiots like Hancock and Javid as anything other than pawns and tools, so would they truly let them in on their big secrets. I wouldnt.
There was a high profile politician in the US who got facial paralysis from one of the shots and plenty of news anchors etc have ended up collapsing on set. They have to get the groupthink going and its best if your sales people believe in the product they are hawking, but to what extent arrangements are made for useful idiots to get placebos is a difficult one, as many will just walk into their local clinic presumably.
We have not yet been notified of any prominent person reporting an adverse reaction to the injections have we? That seems fundamentally unlikely.
Gavin Newsome?
Well – depends what she got jabbed with. If it was pure saline, then, unlikely….
This means her baby got a bad cold and then tested positive. Which is getting COVID mildly and shouldn’t even be news.
Isn’t there a Star Trek film called the “Wrath of Khan” where Khan is the baddie and gets his comeuppance?
He wants us to keep wearing the Cloth of Khan. I’ll get my coat.
It’s not great. At least Star Trek Khan died.
Yes but that Kahn was cool.
It’s actually the best Star Trek film IMHO and its legacy was horribly shat upon by the 2013 reimagining Star Trek into Darkness. The current London Mayor can’t hold a candle to Ricardo Montalbán, and I don’t expect to see an unforgettable bitter monologue about revenge being a dish best served cold, whilst setting off a domesday device to seal his and his enemy’s fate when his downfall finally happens. I expect he’ll just fart his way out of public office and back to obscurity.
Sod Sadistic Khan. Don’t comply. Never comply. I’m more interested in this:
‘Some 30% of Londoners are unvaccinated.’
Assuming this is a traditional/meaningful use of ‘unvaccinated’, and assuming they are talking about 30% of those ‘eligible’, and of course, assuming the report is pucker given the outfit reporting, then I say we raise a glass of good whisky to The Thirty Percent.
I would hazard a guess that those 30% are mainly immigrants and muslim, so raising a glass of alcohol to them would be insulting to them. So please carry on.
Seems like quite a racist comment.
Are you marginalising racism?
I have never worn a mask on the tube or other London public transport, even at the height of the panic, and never been told off for it. I don’t use the tube very often – maybe once per week – but a count in the carriages suggests a solid 20% of people don’t bother. Judging from how mask wearing in shops went from 5% to 90% when they told us to again before Christmas, the vast majority are just doing it to go along with the crowd and not due to any real independent sense that it’s a good idea.
Stupid K***t.
So, free speech isn’t allowed on here then as my post spelling K *** T was edited by whoever ‘Hardliner’ is?
yup. posts are being deleted by Mr Snowflake.
Moderator here. Although we tolerate a lot of things that other HYS’s don’t, this site is accessible to people of all ages. Whilst we are of course a huge supporter of freedom of speech, we prefer the worst swear words to be asterixed, or for posters to say something equally dismissive but also acceptable for younger readers
I know a guy who learnt all the swear words, with example sentences, by the age of four. He’s not unusual in his peer group.
Why? Do you think that kids won’t know what the asterisked letters are in f**k or c**t? Of course they will!
This sort of nanny-behaviour really doesn’t fit well with free speech.
I think asteriskified words are pointless – everyone knows what is being said. It’s quite silly really.
I have used the *un* word here several times. I don’t like using that language (and I feel that I let myself down if I do). But, sometimes nice words do not cut the mustard; they are no longer apt or relevant in special cases.
Does moderation have a legal basis? Can DS be shut down if we swear, say, or plot murder?
Serious question.
No response. They are 77th after all.
Oh well, I’m shocked.
I think the site owner is ultimately responsible for posts on their site. Swear words do have their place in conversation to give a bit of a ‘kick’, but constant and overuse of abusive words begin to make posts look tawdry and put some of the ‘more civilised’ folk off joining in.
Must admit, though, I never really thought children would be interested in trawling through this site. None of the comments seem to be made by kiddies. I thought it was mainly old fossils on here. Apart from myself, of course.
Quick reality check – the vast majority of the internet is accessible to all ages – you can’t shout free speech (and it was spelt differently) and then moderate that free speech when it suits you.
It makes a mockery of everything you say you stand for and questions what else you choose to delete when it suits you. Either have some integrity or remove your free speech banner.
No requirement for the comments to based in fact, or make any sense though.
Bit like yours
Can we just ignore this 77 tool?
I agree – downtick me if you like. I think it cheapens debate. Sorry.
No, Saddick, if we have learnt anything it is that being ‘complacent’ is the ONLY way out of this tyranny. A tyranny you’ve been a Gauleiter for.
Oh yes ,he thinks, all of those gorgeous cosmopolitan londoners will think what a lovely caring man clinging on to a spent and poitless narrative tht never worked anyway.This sort of behavioiur is the seed of what we call power crazy .Smal man syndrome !
Isn’t TFL in dire financial straights? What better way to destroy it completely, Why not have a massive public boycott of its services on selective days, yes it will bring London to a standstill but it will demonstrate the public dissatisfaction.
The clowns in charge need a wake-up call…
That is insulting to the Third World.
This will be ignored by most Londoners as it was last year.
I wonder at what point would Khan consider dropping masks on TFL? Zero Covid?
Who knows or cares whether Khan believes masks work? It’s more likely he enjoys telling people what to do, or wants the sense of pandemic to continue, or thinks it will go down well with his core support, or all of the above. The times I have got or looked at TfL services, there have been lots of unmasked people, including many staff, so in practice while it’s regrettable and unpleasant to have to look at masked zombies, there was what amounted to mass civil disobedience going on and over time unless they clamp down hard, which they probably don’t have the resources to do, masks will slowly fade away to the point where TfL will probably have to ditch them out of embarrassment.
And he wants to make a political point by going further than the government – not for the first time during this shitshow.
On the public transport available to me in the area I live in [not London] guards board periodically (almost all the time now) to check tickets for fare evasion. I wonder how long it will be before they start operating in a dual role as mask police to accompany the announcements and branding which states that masks “must” be worn on all their services.
In the north at least, the railway companies have really backed off when it comes to muzzles – this time round there has been virtually no attempt at enforcement (unlike during the previous muzzzle mandate, where there was a lot of jobsworthery).
Go away now, little pet of the globalist masters. Little sh*t can shove his muzzle mandate and congestion charge extentions up his @rse.
We are granted but temporary relief. The monsters won’t stop until they’re behind bars …
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-vaccinators-will-never-stop-vaccinating
CEx of Moderna talks about risk reward of getting a vaccine versus not getting a vaccine. Sounds a lot like some form of “coercion” to me to be played in their never ending jabs for everything blueprint.
Horrific – and this is out of the mouth of a drug company CEx not a rabid antivaxxer
Bloody frightening.
Scouring the planet for “pathogens” for which they can knock up a brew and then convince everybody they will die if they don’t have the injection.
Sick beyond belief.
In many ways, the ‘stupidity’ explanation for Khan’s blathering is the most concerning – as a marker of the incredibly low intellectual quality of many who have climbed the greasy pole.
His descendancy from Genghis becomes even more apparent.
We a political and media class run by criminals
What is the truth about jabs and baby deaths?
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/what-is-the-truth-about-jabs-and-baby-deaths/
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Don’t think there’s anyone who wouldn’t have predicted this.
No, it’s far more simple than that.
Hard left, unprincipled and incompetent shysters like Khan, Sturgeon, Arden and co have used covid to grab power. It must be prised, finger by painful finger, out of their grubby hands.
They won’t lay it down willingly.
Do you even understand what hard left is?
You. And hard work is what you are.
This squirt needs to get back in his container.
OK so therefore TFL will have absolutely no problem in publishing a copy of their formal risk assessment, as required under the Health & Safety Work 1999 Legislation (part 3).
Hopefully they will include in this assessment, the risk of someone with a filthy bacteria-laden mask potentially spreading something onto others on the TFL network; hence why during the peak of hospitalizations in March-April 2020, the advice was for most people to avoid wearing masks, as a general rule.
What an odious little turd of a man he is
How they run the Tube nowadays in London:
The good news is that 30% of Londoners have the good sense not to be vaccinated.
If the legal position is that riding the Tube etc. without a face-rag is neither a crime nor a civil wrong but is “only” something that TfL droids can throw you off for, then the Tube is no longer public transport. It is no longer a public service.
Public access to a place means that anyone can go there so long as they don’t break the law or commit a civil wrong, and provided they pay the entry fee if there is one. It shouldn’t be relevant if they otherwise act in a way the mayor or a manager doesn’t like.
The 30% not jabbed in London are largely Labiur-voting ‘ethnics’ who voted this slimeball in to be mayor!
Turkeys voting for Eid…
Some racism on display here.
Not really, I’m one of the ethnics.
Didnt vote for Saddick though.
Time to dig your Victim Card out of your pocket? Or are you just offended on behalf of others?
Like the Scotch and Welsh mayors, he’s just making it clear that London isn’t in England.
“Some 30% of Londoners are unvaccinated.” Nobody knows that with any useful precision.
The data is in the public domain, so yes they do.
What’s he been smoking?
Hot Air (heated helium).
Certainly ‘having a laugh’.
How did we end up in a situation where a stupid scumbag can dictate health policy for millions without a shred of evidence that it makes any sense?
It would appear that he is burdened with a sense of responsibility.
The evidence is there….you just choose to ignore what you don’t like.
Like all lefties he wants demonstrate he has power over the great unwashed. Exercising that power doesnt have to actually achieve anything and quite often has a detrimental effect, but his fragile ego needs the validation of messing with peoples lives and showing his ‘authority’.
Will anyone do it? I hope not – I wont. Maybe mass disobedience will slap him back in his place and make it clear where he stands in the food chain. Though I doubt it as hes just as deluded as Livingstone as far as how important he is.
Khan is acting rationally.
Masks do make a difference, so it makes sense to minimise transmission.
There is no downside, regardless of what people on this site “think” (if that is the right word)
Masks do fuck all! Go and have a look at the infections graphs for any country and see if you can tell whether and when there was a muzzle mandate. You will find that it’s impossible to tell. So if the muzzles don’t have any measureable impact on infections (i.e. no change in the graph trajectory when they are introduced), in what sense do they ‘make a difference’?
As for downsides, there are many – you are either completely uninformed on the subject or you are a troll.
That’s your attempt at evidence is it?
How do you prove that the mandates did not influence the trajectory?
You know how to look at a graph, right? How to see a change in trajectory (or lack of one)?
If you genuinely want to see the lack of evidence there is plenty of it out there, incuding a number of studies (and at least one RCT) which show no impact. Not hard to find if you look for it. It’s generally expected that commenters on here are reasonably well informed and can find evidence for themselves.
But you probably don’t want to see anything which would challence the maskivist viewpoint…
That’s impossible as this would require rerunning the experiment with all other possibly variant factors unchanged. You’re probably convinced that this is a really neat logical trap. However, consistent with the German proverb Wer anderen eine Grube gräbt, fällt selbst hinein[*] how to you propose to prove that the mandates did influence anything? Answer: That’s equally impossible. We don’t know and we never will. Because of this, the mandate shouldn’t ever have been introduced because We cannot know what will happen if we do X is never a valid reason for doing X.
[*] He who sets a trap for others will end up stepping into it.
Bonus points for the use of a German Proverb
Love the dry humour.
“Masks do make a difference, so it makes sense to minimise transmission.”
Unlike most dailysceptic readers I can agree masks probably do reduce transmission in places like the Tube.
However, the second part ‘so it makes sense to minimise transmission’ I disagree with. I believe in individual freedoms. We should consider whether it’s right to compel something. I feel uncomfortable compelling people. Persuasion should be the governments primary tool. Compulsion is dangerous
According to my real-world experience with them, restricting intake of oxygen, something which necessarily happens when any physical barrier is directly in the breathing path, has quite a lot of downsides. And that’s regardless of you asserting (thinking decidedly not being right term here) that basic physics, like the mechanics of accelerating items with a mass, are just wrong in the weird universe you claim to believe to be inhabitating.
But for us in the real world, that’s unfortunately not an option physcial mechanic (German term literally translated into English) decidedly does exist here.
“Masks do make a difference”
Yes they do. They make it look as if the whole country is mentally ill.
Chris Whitty’s logged on I see
Is there no way to force these ‘task mask’
idiotsadvocates to specify which masks have to be worn in order to achieve whatever it is they believe is to be achieved?From what I read the only mask that significantly prevents breathing of aerosolised virus is a p100 filter mask, but I have never heard our pontificators telling us to wear them to block breathing of the virus.
Spellchecker strikes again task == face as in face mask not task mask
If we have learnt one thing from this so-called pandemic, it’s that woke pseudo-left politicians will keep sacrificing the population in order to maintain the notion of a dangerous epidemic for as long as they can. At best, they honestly believe that the abstract goals they’re aiming to achieve are worth more than any individual’s or sets of individual’s actual physical needs or lives, that is, they dangerous crackpots. At worst, they’ve simply been bought and/or are profiting in other ways from the situation. Which means they’re criminals. Under no circumstances can they be considered responsible leaders of people.
“For the greater good” The words of communists (fake or otherwise).
It has to be said, Tosser!
Just say you are exempt (from ridiculous rules/guidance/regulations/conditions) – works every time.
Did he drive a bus in London?
Go to the TFL website, order a badge for exemption, no reason required, and get it and travel without a mask. Beat them at their own game, if everyone got one there is nothing they could do but they’d get the message
I see Chris Whitty has logged on to downvote what he doesn’t like
The fact that he says something doesn’t people believe in it. Declaring exemption from lunacy could be quite common!
He’s nothing more than a petty tyrant, he’s ruining London as tourist hub, economically, infrastructure and making residents lives a misery.
Khan is a virtual signalling weasel. He has more or less bankrupted Transport for London. He also only suggested a few days ago that people should pay for travelling through London in their own cars by the mile.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127
This is a man who very rarely uses public transport if at all. But as Mayor of London he was quite happy to use his publicly-funded car to drive him to a park so he can take his dog for a walk.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9915019/Sadiq-Khan-spotted-using-cavalcade-cars-drive-4-5-miles-walk-dog.html
The interesting thing is the all that can happen if you don’t wear a mask is TfL can refuse you permission to travel. Moreover, if you say you’re exempt there’s nothing they can do about it. Further, they have no legal right to ask you what is your exemption. It is (as far as I know) against the Equality Act.
In fact, when the government mask mandate came in some weeks ago Transport of London admitted in a letter on the TfL webpage that they really didn’t have any enforceable powers to stop people travelling on public transport in London without a mask in the first place!
When I go on the tube, I see a lot of people either without masks or taking them off as soon as they are seated. This will become the norm as restrictions are relaxed so what planet is Sadiq Khan living on?
He is pushing for women to get used to having their faces covered and he knows it has to be done by stealth. Anyone who complies is acknowledging they wont to be controlled.
Som that means Khan will keep wearing the Mr Bean (back from holiday) mask?
I was recently telling the story of Dick Whittington, Lord Mayor of London, to my grand-daughter.Then I thought of the present incumbent and wondered how on earth we had allowed such a creature as Khan into this most English of roles. It’s wrong,wrong, wrong! We should not recognise him, nor indeed any other than an Englishman to run our capital city.
Khan is a control freak. Simple.
He loves the willy waving, telling people they must wear these medical splash guards as symbols confirming their subjugation and acceptance of his power over them.
Too many of these sick fucks about these days. They need to be brought down a peg or two.
Sadiq Khan – an ansolute bellend who is so dumb he doesn’t even notice that his Covid comments are a crock of shit
Just bugger off Sad Khan!
Mr.Khan cannot possibly be this uneducated on Masks. Paper masks are useless as are cloth masks, what is going on. If the gov’t rules masks are obsolete how can he possibly override the gov’t. I guess one hell of a lot of people will simply become exempt Mr. Khan. I do wish at least of a few of the politicians would educate themselves on covid and PPE and social distancing. It really would be helpful. I know politicians are not the sharpest pencils in the box, but it is getting tiring.
I still can’t believe he was voted in. Of course it didn’t help the right split the vote amongst themselves.