We already have evidence that natural immunity provides better protection against infection than the vaccines. And since you can’t get severe disease if you don’t get infected, this implies that natural immunity also provides better protection against severe disease.
Of course, if you did get severe disease the first time around, it may not be much consolation to know that you now have strong protection against that outcome. However, the fact that natural immunity provides strong protection against severe disease should still be considered good news.
Even if you had severe disease once, it’s reassuring to know you’re less likely to have it again. And since different variants of Covid have different properties, it’s possible that a bad bout of Covid caused one variant might protect against a worse bout caused by another.
But what degree of protection are we talking about? A recent study from Qatar, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, has some answers.
Using a large national database, the researchers identified cases of severe, critical and fatal disease caused by primary infections and reinfections from March of 2020 to April 2021. Individuals who’d been vaccinated were excluded from the analysis.
Primary infection was defined as the first positive test; secondary infection as the first positive test obtained at least 90 days after the primary infection. To compare like with like, the researchers matched individuals with reinfections to those with primary infections by age, sex, nationality, and week of the test date.
Of the 1,304 reinfections, 32% were caused by the Beta variant; 4% were caused by the Alpha variant; and 16% were caused by the original Wuhan strain. The remaining 48% were of unknown status.
However, given that Alpha and Beta were overwhelmingly dominant by the time Qatar experienced its second wave, and the fact that natural immunity typically lasts for more than a year, it’s likely that the vast majority of the “unknown” reinfections were caused by either Alpha or Beta.
Results are shown in the table below. The reason why the totals are much greater in the right-hand column is that the researchers matched individuals in a ratio of 1:5 to get a larger sample size.
The results are presented as odds, but percentage are easier to understand. Looking at the final row, the percentage of reinfections that led to severe, critical or fatal disease was 0.3%, whereas the corresponding percentage of primary infections was 3.1% – about ten times higher.
This suggests that natural immunity to the original Wuhan strain reduces the risk of severe disease from Alpha or Beta – conditional on infection – by about 90%. And if you assume that Alpha and Beta are more virulent than the original Wuhan strain, the risk reduction is even greater.
Widespread natural immunity is more than capable of defanging Covid. Which is why it should have been part of our strategy from the very beginning, along with focused protection for high-risk groups. In Britain, it actually was part of our strategy… until the Government went for lockdown instead.
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Well fek me Royally!
Wasn’t that settled (if there is such a thing) immunological science prior to the WHO/WEF rollout of the scamdemic in 2020?
Unfortunately natural immunity is almost certainly irrelevant to Sajid Javid’s grand plans for a covid pass digital ID system as mentioned, while still urging everyone to get jabbed, in his Mail on Sunday article today.
He’s a hideous little goblin.
Somebody needs to tell Sajid Javid. Oh, I forgot, an eminently qualified ICU consultant already did.
And Javid told him the “experts” knew better
Do be careful, that well known pub is missing his usual fun n frolics
It is worth noting the high numbers of individuals in the study with co-morbidities that ended up getting severe/critical/mortal covid (supplementary materials, table s3).
ie, This study got a CFR of 0.1%, and even then the majority were people who had significant risk factors. The CFR of healthy individuals would have been significantly lower.
A person under 70 who has a good diet, preferably vegetarian, and who gets sufficient exercise will hardly ever get covid from a SARSCoV2 infection.
An obese sedentary person in their 70s or 80s who stays in hospital for any reason is quite likely to catch pneumonia though…and have it diagnosed as resulting from a SARSCoV2 infection (i.e. as being “covid”) the minute they successfully get a positive test result.
preferably vegetarian
Bollocks.
Who would have thought that those three rascals from Great Barrington actually knew what they were talking about!
And we should have been doing it WEF May 2020
March 2020.
“Which is why it should have been part of our strategy from the very beginning, along with focused protection for high-risk groups. In Britain, it actually was part of our strategy”.
Then we had the lockdown to stop this winter respiratory virus spreading through the summer, when it would have caused the least damage.
In that study, was an omicron infection defined as being present after a positive omicron test and a NEGATIVE test for other variants?
Has a single person who has an omicron infection on that definition ever been caused by it to suffer double pneumonia, a symptom that is required to be present for a diagnosis of covid?
If no, then there is no reason to believe that omicron has ever caused a single case of covid.
If you read it, it’s pre Omicron.
They define infection by PCR test, not symptomatic plus test, and the second infection as just PCR pos after 90 days.
I’d like to see a similar study with PCR plus symptoms as the definition of infected.
Great study though, thanks to the research scientists and to Noah.
Where are you getting the idea that any disease symptoms are necessary for diagnosis of a disease? That’s Old Normal thinking.
An end to the Covidian Heresy then!
Anybody else feeling like the truth is now metastasizing?
They are using a lot of surgery and strong, toxic chemo on it though…
All truth is fatal to evil. The end of most actual maladies is often a painful process.
Some never wish to get better. They have to lose arms or legs to save their souls and lives, however.
One minister today talked about “the pandemic transitioning to being endemic”.
All of the news stories on the BBC’s news feed today and over the last couple of days in particular smack of a gradual walk back.
That makes me wonder – did someone on high send out an SOS along the lines of “abort abort abort” because Omicron is so weak and the jabs are showing negative effectiveness? OR has someone made a decision that there are enough jab numbers now to allow them to call a halt to the pandemic fraud, while having enough numbers ‘in the system’ to get them over whatever threshold they need to introduce CBDC and the ID system?
The haste is due to the fact that the truth is emerging at an alarming rate. They are being exposed slowly but surely. They will try to claim they have won, or at least to deny they have killed/abused millions.
But the FULL truth will emerge over DECADES. And there will be hell to pay.
“Unvaccinated dad-of-nine was desperate for jab just before Covid death”
“The otherwise healthy 45-year-old died”.
The propagandists, probably 77th Brigade, are pinning this story on a message Mr Doyle sent to his “ex-partner” saying he’d be “getting the jabs” soon.
As far as I am aware, only head and chest photos appear in the coverage of his illness and death, but he looks as though he may well have had a body mass index of 28 or more.
If you’re obese, you are NOT “healthy”.
Edit: curiously, Mr Doyle had been in the media for something else, as recently as September, when he was reported to have defended his house against an armed intruder.
Apparently “trouble had been brewing”.
And here we have an almost full-body photo of Mr Doyle aged 44. He doesn’t look healthy at all. Best estimate for BMI still 28.
Would you guess he was still in his early 40s from that photo?
More simply put: they’re lying.
You can’t die of a fake illness, no matter how 77th Brigade frame it.
I submit that if it can be proved that one (1) person has died of the jab … jabs have out-killed Covid.
He looks decidedly healthy to me.
Again article after article spelling out the bleedin’ obvious…
It’s never been about social health and collective well-being, it’s only ever been about societal control ever inching closer toward this global techno bio-digital ID matrix.
C O M P L I E N C E
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1480121735492120578?s=20
We’re now year three into this abusive mind-fuck cultist behavioral training…where we are made to believe basic human rights such as freedom of international
movement, seeing and meeting whoever we want to, or say having a preference for meat or other high value proteins are all social ills, unacceptable needs that now have to be stamped out for the [greater] good.
BTW here’s UN exemplary eco champion Leo this week… once more on yet another £110m mega superyacht break.
BUCKLE UP – the only carbon the globalists really want to reduce is you.
I see Yeadon was on GB News in the Twitter feed. It’s a rabbit hole I wish I hadn’t gone down after reading some of the comments from the covid cult. Depressing..
Natural immunity protection is as the article implies double pronged and the 90% reduction is conditional on reinfection. You are also less likely to test positive in the first place.
And if you test positive you are less likely to get ill. As the study say (bold emphasis is mine)
In earlier studies, we assessed the efficacy of previous natural infection as protection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 as being 85% or greater. Accordingly, for a person who has already had a primary infection, the risk of having a severe reinfection is only approximately 1% of the risk of a previously uninfected person having a severe primary infection.
Whether it’s really as low as 1% in the long term who knows but it’s certainly a very low percentage.
The diminishing returns of propaganda
‘Three weeks to flatten the curve’……. now heading for the third year
‘Lockdown till the vaccines arrive’……. the vaccines arrived and we still got locked up
‘Wait till the elderly cohort are jabbed and you will be free’……never happened
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‘There will be no vaccine passports’……… somewhere got lost in the telling
‘Two jabs will give you super dooper ‘protection’…………..The vaxxed dropping like flies
A third jab, best Christmas present money can buy….……Of course it is
Close the pubs, open the pubs, close the pubs. Test, don’t test. Isolate don’t isolate. Travel don’t travel. Don’t party, party. Airline pilots, what airline pilots. Listen to Klopp, Klopp shut the fuck up. Who needs hospital consultants when you have Jabid. Dead footballers just a coincidence. Insurance actuaries of Indiana…. full of shit
Truth bad, censorship good
Untruth is diverse
Are there ‘diminishing returns’ though? I still see an ongoing mass psychosis every day and it’s getting worse, not better. Double down, not back tracking.
https://voiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/to-all-those-who-continue-to-attribute
Not through T cells though, according to GvdB.
Warning: Complicated stuff.
https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/das-ende-des-schwedischen-sonderwegs
Thorough review of the negatively changing situation and politics in Sweden. RIP Free Sweden.
Makes depressing reading. 10000 complaints to the Justice Ombudsman ignored deliberately. 1G (geimpft) policy embraced (admission to events only for the jabbed, none for the recovered/immune/negatively tested) and no constitutional court in Sweden just a panel of judges with oversight. Who knew Sweden is a fake democracy.
No shit, Sherlock. Kids spend the first 5 years of their lives with one snotty after another, by the time you’re an adult you rarely get colds as you have met most of the bugs previously, assuming you get outside enough, exercise and have a reasonably healthy lifestyle. Travel internationally, get even more exposure. Move to a new college, snotty for first few weeks against local bug variants.
90 yr old relative used to be a teacher, rarely ill, even though I am sure her visitors still bring in the germs.
“Which is why it should have been part of our strategy from the very beginning, along with focused protection for high-risk groups. In Britain, it actually was part of our strategy… until the Government went for lockdown instead.”
It’s almost like they were panicked out of the rational approach.
And it’s almost like the much demonised and propagandised against authors of the Great Barrington Declaration actually were correct.
Who knew? (Apart from every informed person with any sense who was not swept up in the hysteria).
If we consider SARS COV-2 is actually the 7th Coronavirus (that we know of) the human race has been exposed to, estimates that around 80% of the global population had at least some degress of cross immunity has been obvious from the beginning.
If well established immunological science haddn’t been subjucated to the ‘post normal’ blatherings of the WHO and it’s profiteering ‘stakeholders’ there would not have been a ‘pandemic’.
I do find this sort of stuff interesting but for me it always come with a massive caveat around PCR testing…how can I be sure that any of the “infections” and hence “reinventions” were actual “cases” and not just the test run at too many cycles picking up a fragment of dead virus?
I am hearing about people catching the lurgy for a third time now! Even after dutifully taking all their jibjabs, which could well be true or could be complete rubbish
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MSM is trying to make fun of people wanting to protect themselves with cheap and proven drugs. Ivermectin has been FDA approved for human use since 1996. It also beats Pfizer’s new wonder drug hands down, and costs next to nothing. Ivermectin doesn’t make tons of money. So they know the Covid shot is on its final gasp, so they take it add something different to it, rebrand under another name and charge 20 times what they would for ivermectin. I cannot wrap my head around this nonsense. When I explain this to my relatives they label me as crazy and ask me if I know better than science. I don’t make up these information out of my ass. All this information is true and proven. For some people it is near impossible for them to wake up. They are comfortable in their clown world life. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com
Noah, this doesn’t undermine your point, but those numbers in the right hand column are not percentages. They’re the 95% confidence intervals. That means we can say with 95% certainty that (on the top line) the likelihood of severe disease is between 0.03 and 0.31 times as likely for reinfections as for primary infections, with a central estimate of 0.12 times as likely. Because the 95% confidence interval doesn’t come anywhere near including 1.0, we can be very confident the difference between the two groups is real and not a chance finding. Big studies with large numbers of patients give you narrower confidence intervals than studies on a small number of patients.
And, in the meantime, the country has been ruined by lockdown politicians supported by a supine and frightened people. I cannot forgive them…politicians or people.
Immunology 101
The Government have been controlled by the Globalists (Soros and NGOs) since the Blair years. They have never listened to logic, real scientists or indeed used their common sense. They are still enamoured with Blair as a politician, completely forgetting that the people hate him and will never forgive him for the damage he has done to our values, culture and economy.