We are starting to get a better picture of what the Government means when it says vaccine passports will be required at ‘large events’. Reports this morning suggest that ministers are set to impose Covid vaccination checks on those attending football matches, concerts, conferences and more – but the wider hospitality sector is likely to be left out of the scheme for now. The Mail has the story.
Boris Johnson announced plans in July to make double vaccination a “condition of entry” for nightclubs in England because of fears that they could become Covid hotspots.
But ministers will meet next week to discuss extending the requirement to a string of other “mass events”, the Mail has learnt.
Although final decisions have not been taken, a Whitehall source said the plans were likely to be “very similar” to those unveiled by Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland this week.
The SNP leader said vaccine passports would be mandated for all unseated live events attracting more than 500 people indoors or 4,000 outdoors. All events with audiences of more than 10,000 would also be covered, whether seated or not.
A Whitehall source said precise audience caps might vary in England but the types of events covered was likely to be the same.
The rules would make Covid passports mandatory for most big sporting events, as well as music concerts, festivals and some exhibitions. Sources said large theatres could also be covered.
But in a concession to Tory MPs, the Government is expected to rule out imposing the new system on the wider hospitality sector for now, meaning pubs and restaurants will escape.
The move will put ministers on collision course with more than 40 Conservative MPs who have pledged to vote against any plan for vaccine passports. It will require legislation, meaning there will be a crunch vote in the Commons. …
A Whitehall source said: “The evidence is that certification can help put a bit of control around an event and provide reassurance.
“Everyone understands the concerns around freedoms but we may be in a situation this winter where the alternative is more closures and economic damage to sectors that have suffered hugely already.”
Sources also suggest some affected businesses such as the Premier League, exhibition organisers and West End theatres have expressed interest in using vaccine passports to provide greater reassurance to customers.
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Well done Chile!
It’s quite possible there was some reasonable stuff in there but they’ve obviously overreached – huge own goal.
Surely a mistake to try and cover too much. The US remains the model to follow – the main aim was to set out the limits of government/state power.
Considering that all of the the woke nonsense emanates from the USA, that’s a very dubious claim.
Not sure how that follows. I don’t see the role of a constitution as preventing “woke nonsense” but setting out a workable structure of government that strikes the right balance between the powers and reach of the state and those of the individual, which will undoubtedly be abused and come under attack and may fail, but it’s worth trying, and IMO the US is the best example and the one that has endured and provided the best outcome. Of course the US isn’t perfect, or how we’d like it to be, but it’s notable to me as the rich “liberal” “democracy” with the most robust active movement pushing back against wokeism and its ilk. The political right in the US, which has mainly provided resistance against covid folly and evil, is mainstream both in politics and media. Not so much in the UK and continental Western and Central Europe.
It doesn’t follow at all, it’s just a fact: This is a genuinely American phenomenon and is mostly about inherently American issues which don’t really exist in other parts of the world, except insofar ardent fans of the so-called American left are cosplaying what their idols do.
Taking a bit of a broader perspective, the USA is also traditionally a very aggressive power principially hell-bent on destroying all political systems which differ from the American one, except that this doesn’t always work and/ or sometimes turns out to cost more money and effort than the American public is willing to spend on it (eg, in Afghanistan).
My point was about the best approach to construct a constitution, or what I think one should contain/focus on, as it seemed to me they had made the mistake in Chile of chucking in all sorts of stuff that’s currently trendy that IMO has no place in a document/structure that’s meant to endure over time. Nothing to do with wokery per se.
As far as the USA goes, they are indeed not overly pleasant to their enemies nor to those that are not close allies. More pleasant to their own citizens. This they share with most great powers now and throughout history (though many of them were not that nice to their own people either).
The USA isn’t exactly pleasant to their allies, either. Eg Eisenhower breaking the neck of the British empire by siding with Egypt during the so-called Suez crisis. But that’s sort-of besides my point which is still that the woke movement is as American as hamburgers and black friday. That’s a political movement the political organization of the USA gave birth to. Which is not exactly an argument for combatting it by aping this political organization.
“ That’s a political movement the political organization of the USA gave birth to.”
Well, correlation is not causation, and I don’t really see wokeism as anything especially American or a consequence of anything in their structure of government or bill of rights. They tend to have more extremes there than in many other places. I’m not sure why they seem to have wokeism there so badly. Maybe a follow on from the legacy of slavery and racism then anti-racism, a victim culture developed/was encouraged/exploited. A big topic I think. But as I said, the opposition there is more robust – by comparison we’re just rolling over here. I’d still rather live in the USA than anywhere else except England, though these days that’s not saying much.
Regarding US allies, I would rather be an ally of the US than China, though that’s not saying much either.
But not because of the constitution.
In Chile they are sufficiently poor, they are more prone to properly question and think about these things before spending money. It seems we in the UK won’t have to worry about woke politics for much longer either.
And of course, when you write “poor” you’re probably referring to so-called “public finances” being poor, in other words, the government is not effective at the taxing the people. I would hazard a guess that regular Chileans are better than many in “The West” at preserving their wealth and keeping “their government’s” hands off it, and as such, there is much more of a culture of being sceptical about governments, and they are more practised at making better financial decisions (and decisions in general) for themselves.
Measures of a country’s wealth are an essentially arbitrary thing, because they will never properly take individual wealth into account; individuals are not citizens of a country by any natural mechanism.
And “poor” countries will have less well-developed mechanisms to measure it anyway. And the measures come from governments.
As Oscar Wilde said, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.”
Do my layperson’s ramblings make sense?
It got firmly rejected, but do not presume they won’t keep voting on some proposals till this woke bilge is passed.
To be honest, there did seem to be some bits that might have been good for indigenous people who get a pretty raw deal in South America. The trouble is that the young new Prez wanted to appeal to everyone and I suspect there is a large contingent of highly conservative voters in Chile who still have pictures of Generalissimo Pinochet on their dining room walls and couldn’t stand this sort of lefty posturing. Still, they’ll work on a new draft and try and ram it home in another year.
They serve great ice creams in Santiago – I managed to drop mine three steps out of the ice cream parlour because it was such an enormous serving, a mini-Andes Mountain Range of ice cream.
The Chileans need to prepare to vote again so that next time they can return the correct result.
This is a new sort of democratic process where you keep hitting the round peg repeatedly until finally it assumes a squarish shape and slots into the square hole. There…done. Democracy in action.
That’s it exactly.
The tyranny of Pridehttps://www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/04/the-tyranny-of-pride/It’s time for a fightback against rainbow authoritarianism.
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62% reject poverty and discrimination, shock horror!
(I wonder if the UK will be recognised as a “plurinational” state, with the rights of the indigenous populations to their land and resources recognised?).
I don’t think it will be too long before the Albanian brothers claim, via some convoluted, Orwellian and historical chicanery their indigenous rights to these islands.
Thank goodness there is at least one country with its head screwed on right.
Let me guess …. 36 yr old President Boric, who himself cannot possibly be very experienced at that age, is a WEF Young Leader?
I’m not sure that he is…I did a search, several searches, and couldn’t find a connection. Still he’s young enough to be invited in…